Sunday: Sweeties
Courtesy of UpstateNY and LavenderLiberal.com, we present this handy pocket guide to Obamaniac behavior:
We believe they are oscillating between the blue and green sections right now. The thing is, many of us *aren’t* Democrats anymore, or should I say, Dean Democrats. We’re unaffiliated with the Dean Democratic party. But come Tuesday, they will be hard pressed to not jump to the yellow and red zones, which will undoubtably drive more of us to declare ourselves free of the childish Dean Democrats. Keep it up and the pie chart will shrink to approximately the size of a pinhead.
We expect to see more “Sweeties” drop in on us in the next several days. A Sweetie is a Rent-a-Troll (abbreviated R.A.T.) whose job it is to lay on some syrupy guilt trip to make us feel like we’re letting the party, the country and the starving children in Africa down because we don’t support the Unity Pony and will register our disgust with him and the party in November if he becomes the nominee. As myiq2xu said recently, “You know your blog has made it when you are assigned your own troll.” The Sweetie has been carefully prepped with psychological trigger words that have been focussed grouped to elicit the correct behavioral response from the newly emancipated “unaffiliated” voter.
Here is an example from “cate”, who is helping out the Obama campaign from, well, never mind, we will protect her multiple anonymities (for now. BTW, “cate”, how’s the weather out there on the Frontier? Sunny? Warm? Dry? This is quite a History making year for Women, wouldn’t you say, “Cate”? Maybe we’re not as stoopid asu presume, eh?):
I am sitting at my computer smiling; this reminds me of why I love being a woman. Even when I’m gettin’ blasted.
Bea, I’m not making an argument for Obama, really. I am asking why there is a commitment brewing to destroying an Obama candidacy, and ensuring a McCain victory. Is it that McCain is a better choice? It seems terribly selfish to bring down a Democratic nominee just as revenge.
Melanie, I know JOhn Edwards is no HillaryClinton, but you’re supposed to be making a fairness argument here, not a “my candidate is better” argument. Isn’t that where your moral high ground comes from? (smile)
Riverdaughter, you just rock. But old women have always cared about young women, and so do you (we). As for unaffiliated voters, let’s try presenting McCain’s history and present with lobbyists, his extraordinary temper, his admission that he doesn’t know anything about the economy….
Let’s take a look at “cate’s” technique because this is a perfect example of the Sweetie message. First, she identifies herself as a woman. This is very much in the style of push-pull power dynamics (Hey, Axelrod, you must think we’re really stupid if you think some of us haven’t been through these courses at work). Instead of pushing against your target, you stand next to them and appear to see the world in the same way they do. “cate” assumes we are women. Well, some of us are but there are quite a few of us who are men. But even the women among us are not typical women or we wouldn’t be posting here. For example, I work in a heavily male dominated field with a lot of international colleagues. I have been trained to not think in gender related terms so my mindset is both feminine and masculine. Never the less, “cate” is trying to stand next to me and “be on my side”.
Next, “cate” moves into the Saruman phase. “cate” knows that it is impossible to reason with an emotional target. She will save the rational push for the end of her comment. Right now, she wants to pull with some emotional content. But she doesn’t quite do it right. She identifies the emotion as revenge. The correct emotion is frustration. Because she thinks we are fiendishly conspiring to topple the Obama candidacy it comes off as push. She is labelling us as malicious conspirators. She also assumes, incorrectly, that we will all be voting for McCain. As I’ve said before, friends don’t let friends vote Republican.
But the biggest mistake she makes here is conditioning us to accept the Obama nomination as an inevitability. This is a huge mistake on “cate’s” part. Because there is nothing so damaging to a push as the idea that the target feels they have no choice. (go back and read the chapter on asserting. You must present the target with an option) Here, “cate” is promoting the idea that the only choice is between Obama and McCain. This is wrong. The nomination has not been determined yet and won’t be until the balloons drop in Denver. This is something “cate” should keep in mind. It’s a long time between now and August and delegates, both pledged and super, are free to change sides several times between now and then. Many of them may start to have buyer’s remorse. Depending on how Obama handles himself on May 20, these delegates may find many very angry constituents carrying pitchforks and torches banging on their doors late at night demanding satisfaction. Be afraid, “cate”, be very afraid. It’s going to be a long four months. If Obama reaches a pinnacle, there is only one way for him to go and nothing is certain. Bwahahahahahahaaaaa!
But “cate” is not finished. Now, she resumes her Saruman phase. We as women wouldn’t want to be selfish. Oooo, this is insidious. Tap into cultural norms, “cate”? Women are taught to be selfless. We sacrifice for others. We make our needs subordinate to our families and our male counterparts. It is in our natures to gracefully acquiesce. We are expected to be fair.
F^*) that s%$*. Listen, “cate” and all you other sweeties, we’re not just women. We’re working class (yes, I consider myself working class even though “cate” couldn’t even understand what I do if I took a whole day to explain it to her), we’re GLBT, we’re old, we’re young, we’re rich and poor, hispanic, asian. We’re Heinz 57. But the thing that sets us apart from the Obamaniacs is that we’re cold-blooded pragmatists. We are grounded. We’re not buying the hopey-changey unity shtick. We know that Obama is a smart man with a ruthless campaign manager but he is about as ready to run the country as I am to command the USS Nimitz. We don’t have any patience for your assumptions.
Here’s the thing you Sweeties should understand and get through your thick skulls: Hillary Clinton is still in this race. She will be in this race after the Presumptuous Nominee makes his little acceptance speech on Tuesday (BTW, I *highly* recommend that he not do this for his own sake. Bad things happen to tragic heroes who celebrate too early. They usually live to regret it.). We still have a choice. It’s Hillary or no one for us. There is no compromise between the highly competent Hillary Clinton and the highly unready Barack Obama. We don’t care if she doesn’t have a dime by August. We are not giving in. And if the balloons drop in Denver and she is not at the top of the ticket, YOU will be to blame if the Unity Pony flames in November. We are not obliged to enable you in your pursuit of some transfiguring fantasy.
We all have choices.
Filed under: Blogosphere, Presidential Election 2008 | Tagged: Dean Democrats, obamaniacs, sweeties

“ATTENTION ALL DOGS!…My 3 Discuss the Issues, Decide to Endorse Hillary! (and pose for pics, too!)”
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/
My 3 sweeties address all dogs about important topics like health care and adoption and are going for Hillary!!!
He can’t “accept” what he hasn’t been given.
RD: typo. lavender=lavendar
Thanks RD, I enjoyed that very much. I expect
“cate” will be morphing about now.
Obama’s paper-thin resume isn’t going to look any better in November… hopefully the super-D’s make a note of this…
Excuse me for an offtopic question, but riverdaughter, could I post a diary here?
I have a plea to Superdelegates of the eco persuasion to consider voting for the more progressive candidate, however it is posted in the deserted ruins of Cheetopia, where nobody will see it.
Since it covers a energy plan comparison that the media has entirely ignored or deliberately misrepresented, I think it needs more exposure.
I know it is wordy though…
http://
dotcommodity.dailykos.com/
Gloria, that’s sweet.
RD, great post. As you know, I believe the Obama 400 are most likely to be women. Well, I’m not buying what they are selling.
I must take issue with this statement: We know that Obama is a smart man…
I think he is the Left’s Mitt Romney. He thinks Kentucky borders Arkansas. He’s called for arabic translators in Afghanistan. He thinks it’s charming to call female reporters asking tough questions “sweetie”. Not signs of intelligence.
OT, but I heard that on MTP this morning, when the topic of Hill for VP(which I object to, but believe, should it come to that, it ought be her choice), Harold Ford Jr. whispered under his breath “I hope not”. I have to ask, where do these people get off? I am sick and tired of fellow Democrat’s acting like Hill is so unpopular when she has won the majority of support of registered Democrats, has the pop vote, has outpaced BO since the beginning of March by at least 300k votes, won back the Reagan Democrat’s, won the majority support of women(who make up the majority of the electorate). Is it that she continues to shame him as she did with that blow out win in WV? I have a feeling that say BO becomes the nom, and many Hill supporters decide they will vote for him(just hold their noses), in that scenario, I think it will be just one more straw on the camel’s back and they will drop him forever.
Lets rally behind either candidate, and defeat McSame and his Scalito-like Supreme Court appointees. The stakes are very high for women.
I just dont understand why experience is such an important issue now with BHO, but wasnt when a governor from Arkansas, with no national political experience, ran 15 years ago.
“Sweetie” alert.
Yoda, he was the longest sitting Governor in the union and the head of the Governor’s association, meaning he had mucho national policy experience, and evidence of a fulltime job. Further, we were not on the brink of financial ruin or in the middle of two wars.
Yoda when you say things like this:
The stakes are very high for women.
We know you are a troll. Now scurry back to whatever hole you climbed out.
Yoda: Stick it where the sun don’t shine. When YOU get behind Hillary, come back and we’ll talk. Only then will I know whether you give a fuck about women.
George Bush’s resume looks positively meaty compared to BO’s… at least he was a Governor… when has BO ever run any large public entity?
Dotcommodity: I will send you an email.
Old coastie, now is the time for Superdelegates to start to think about their decision.
Their responsibility is to pick our best chance to win in November.
Can we sue our Party for malpractice if they pick the already clear loser (by a landslide!) of the electoral votes needed to win the GE?
Per electoral-vote.com McCain is still clobbering him 290 to 237!
http://www.
electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May17.html
yoda,
Please, please (I beg of you) list the full-time jobs Barack Obama held since graduating Law School.
Please (please, I beg of you) list one — just one — major accomplishment from each of those jobs.
I would especially like to know where he worked during his years in the (part time) Illinois Legislature.
Thank you.
Yoda, enough with the “BHO” already.
thks, I would have emailed privately but can’t find one…
Don’t call em sweeties! Only I can be a sweetie! ;-).
Sweetee: different spelling, TOTALLY different animal
Great post! I get trolls all the time, especially self-identified “women” who love to start with a compliment, I guess, to get my readers off guard or establish “credibility” — “they like something about me” (yah, right….)
Then comes the BUT or the HOWEVER, and then, instead of talking about content or substance, they criticize my style, my “overblown” statements, etc., but generally don’t argue the issues.
It is unfortunate, but McCain won’t be able to be stuck with “McSame” since he DOES have a reputation of being a maverick. He may be able to be stuck with “flip-flopping.” So, most mavericks are…. you see how that argument would go (”his own man”). But, HE may be able to pull it off.
So, it will be McMaverick vs. McHope, IF it comes to that. Otherwise, it will be McMaverick vs. MsSolutions. I like the second one a lot better.
Again, I have a piece over at MenForHillary.org entitled Why Aren’t we Complaining about Superdelegate Vote Abuse?, where you can nominate superdelegates for “Biggest Hypocrite” and “Most Democratic.”
The DD (Dean Democrats) has some lessons to learn about voters in the 21st century (they push back, asshole) and don’t put up with crap, and have a system now where they CAN push back, which they didn’t have before…. it is called the Internet. Get used to it. Our “republic” styled country doesn’t need the checks and balances that the founders felt it needed… we got education now… and such. So, get used to it. Time to give up some power to the people, okay?
Was watching George S. this morning and as usual he had Donna B as a guest. She had a smirk on her face that was troubling. They hardly touched on the possibility of the women defectors but she seemed to think that he will win in November. She knows something. Only one guest, Matt Bai from the NYT pointed out that Hillary has only a few point deficit in the count and should not be ignored. But they just went on to another topic. And Peggy Noonan, can someone please explain why they have this disturbed person on to give commentary? She barely looks anyone in the eye and her delivery is spooky.
Pat: no idea who Peggy Noonan is.
“She barely looks anyone in the eye….” as a parent of a young Aspie, I wonder…..ummmh.
Pat: Don’t worry. You say that Donna Brazille “knows something”. When has Donna Brazille ever known anything?
They don’t want to think about women defectors. They’re whistling past the graveyard for sure.
Harold Ford DEFINITELY doesn’t want my vote. So glad, because he isn’t getting it anyway.
I’m so glad you’all watch the shows so I don’t have to.
Has Cokie Roberts been banned from Georgie’s show since she wrote a sane article about the suicidal tendencies of the DNC?
UpstateNY: Peggy Noonan was a Reagan speechwriter. Helped to glorify him. She is a Repub tool who fails to make eye contact because she is never telling the truth. I don’t mean to suggest anything physical about her, she is syrupy in her delivery. She has been trotted out a lot lately to appear on MTP and Stephonopoulos to give commentary from the Right.
Sweetee: “When has Donna Brazille ever known anything?”
heh, Now, wait a minute, she knows about loosing GE’s.
Hear-effing-hear! My underlying political philosophy has ALWAYS been that of freedom of choice. In whatever-it applies. Free to choose to vote or not to, to marry or not to, to take your spouse’s last name or not to, to abort that fetus or not to, to work or stay at home.
Thanks for the great post.
Yoda,
Bill Clinton had 12 years of executive experience as Governor of Arkansas. Obama doesn’t even begin to compare on that score.
You’re asking people to vote for the lessor of two evils. Well the lessor of two evils is still evil.
As far as the press is concerned this is over. Listening and reading today I have the distinct feeling that there will be little outrage at his self proclaimed victory and less coverage of Hillary on Tuesday. There is already discussion in the media about who he will choose as a running mate. Most are betting on a female. In retrospect, this would be a slap in the face to us. This “appeasement”, kind of a way to shut us up, would be the worst case of sexism.
The Repubs are running scared in the congressional elections and are almost ready to proclaim defeat. However, they are hoping for a McCain victory for the WH. It is still apparent that they are ignoring us and are just again assuming we will all just get together in Nov come what may. I cannot do it.
Does anyone know what time Hill is on Late Edition?
@Pat Johnson, 11:05
“She had a smirk on her face that was troubling.”
That’s actually a tic.
Say, I haven’t yet dumped my fiance, the otherwise darling man who at times appears to have been replaced by an Obamapod person. We’ve got plans to spend Tuesday night together, during the counting of our state’s ballots. I plan to snip the cord on the TV. Just can’t bring myself to dump him.
Pat: She had a smirk on her face that was troubling. They hardly touched on the possibility of the women defectors but she seemed to think that he will win in November. She knows something.
Oh, the plan is to register kazillion new African American voters. States like OH, PA, VA, etc.
Also in the Deep South. That’s one of the reasons the SDs are going with him — even if he doesn’t win at the top, the influx of AA voters means more Dem seats in the South. For example, that rep in MS who won despite dissociating himself from BO won due to heavy AA turnout in defense of BO/Wright.
What this means overall is a more conservative Dem party. Those seats are almost always held by pro-life, anti-gay, bible-quoting types who would be considered fundy Repubs in states like MD, NJ, NY etc.
So now the media will force feed that RACE is the issue with Obama when in FACT it is the content of his character and they play the race card to try to deflect the obvious.
Why aren’t they having roundtables to discuss the Hillary NUTCRACKERS and a million other grossly in your face sexist memes that dominate this race?? Painting all of us as racist for asking the character/experience questions only does one thing: IT PISSES ME OFF. I am livid inside at the way Hillary has been treated. Livid that they have the AUDACITY to claim Hillary played the race card when their entire campaign has succeeded due to THEM playing the race card! UGH. If they deny her the nomination by disenfranchising FL and MI and denying LEGAL elections to win, how are they any different than a Banana Republic?
Someone with Photoshop needs to put Obama’s face on the Commander Codpiece photo at http://proggiemuslima.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/mission-accomplished.jpg
i love hillary too but obama’s the nominee now and all us little women need to like just give him all our support you know…
i hope hillary wins oregon soooo bad, only way to shut these people up
Loved the analysis! The “sweetie” posts annoy me more than
all the other colors on the pie chart.
You do know of course of the 400 “new” Obloggers hired to
“sweetie” us into submission
http://s1.zetaboards.com/Clinton_Supporters/topic/279371/2/#new
The Obama boyz are not sure it’s over, judging by the filth they are posting on non-Obot blogs. I copied some troll posts from TL early this morning. Here’s one:
Nice, huh? They got worse too. I think this one is in the tantrum mode. After hearing Hillary on the blogger call, I am impervious to them. They make me laugh.
Obama lectures Hill supporter on politeness:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/south-dakota-sw.html?cid=115058954#comment-115058954
The irony…
Obama2008 is dead wrong. It’s Obama who peaked in February. Hill has earned at least 300k more votes than him since the beginning of March. Further, the higher the turn-out(ala WV), the better she does. They really need to stop acting like Hill is chopped liver and their guy is Elvis.
From Anna, at Anglachel’s Journal:
“I’m feeling really slow: I’ve just realized how closely this whole campaign tracks the patter of the nomination of Clarence Thomas. Any and all criticism of the nominee is discounted as suspect racism and the woman trying to report reality is demonized with glee.”
Rd—-that is so funny…yesterday there was one of them at NQ. Uppity Woman had this great “sweetie” post and this person carrie was so stupid in that comments part, oh my god. She said O couldn’t possibly be sexist because he had a wife and two daughters. She just kept repeating it over and over and over and over, until? Anyway, ReclusiveLeftist aka Violet has the best, great piece on the sweetie thang—–she and Uppity made my day!
Here are those links so all of us who understand the sweetie part can “ahem” and laugh our you know what’s off.
off reclusiveleftist.com:
Blast from the past: Obama calls Sen. Barbara Boxer “a cutie” (Plus: update on how we can fight back)
In the wake of sweetie-gate, someone emailed me this story from a year ago:
Obama, speaking at the Westin St. Francis in San Francisco, raised eyebrows Monday at a fundraiser for Sen. Barbara Boxer when, as we reported, the Illinois Senator described his Democratic colleague from California as “a fighter, a leader, a charmer, a cutie.”
The remark “set off a lot of murmuring,” said one Democratic strategist in attendance, “among a lot of very strong powerful women around Boxer there who were offended.”
(I saved uppity, for last –this is the best and you will be laughing till you cry!–speaking as a sweetykins who worked in the male dominated corporate world forevah, and who like you had to grow that male portion o’ myself in order to combat, you know…And I voted in Boxer and Feinstein and all the rest of them strictly because they were women, and ummm somehow I can’t see Boxer, well, …………….! Nah. –too funny.
ps: there is something very honorable to Hillary Clinton and all of us, now…over at http://www.clintondems.com — wow–finally a place–like that, wow–
All women need to read uppity! OMG. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (said while falling off chair and about to make pings o’matic…….
uppity:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/17/obama-boys-lets-hire-400-bloggers-to-make-nicey-with-those-bitches/
I have a choice to vote “present” in November. That’s what I’ll do if I cannot vote for Hillary Clinton. In other words, Sweetie Cate, I’m not voting in the presidential race if I cannot vote for Hillary Clinton.
Care much about the Democratic Party? Nope. They don’t care much about me, obviously; and I’m not one of those “selfless” women who can take a punch and keep on hugging the one who punched me.
I’m officially still a Democrat. But I’m also officially a Clinton voter. And, if the DNC-Deaniacs can’t figure that out, then it’s going to be their problem.
Florida and Michigan COUNT. Count the votes. It’s not a 50-state-strategy if we leave out Florida and Michigan Democrats.
Melanie,
I have gotten the impression that Harold Ford is a Hillary supporter. It would make sense, because he is head of the DLC. My guess is he thinks Hillary should be at the top of the ticket. I didn’t see the show though.
I have a choice to vote “present” in November. That’s what I’ll do if I cannot vote for Hillary Clinton. In other words, Sweetie Cate, I’m not voting in the presidential race if I cannot vote for Hillary Clinton.
Care much about the Democratic Party? Nope. They don’t care much about me, obviously; and I’m not one of those “selfless” women who can take a punch and keep on hugging the one who punched me.
I’m officially still a Democrat. But I’m also officially a Clinton voter. And, if the DNC-Deaniacs can’t figure that out, then it’s going to be their problem.
Florida and Michigan COUNT. Count the votes. It’s not a 50-state-strategy if we leave out Florida and Michigan Democrats.
Edwardian: The difference is that the votes come from voters rather than Congress and we’re apparently gutsier than Congress is.
The new meme is that: “responsible progressives will vote for Obama”.
LOL! Responsible progressives wouldn’t have nominated him.
i could never vote republican but i’m not going to hold the wheel while my party insists on going over a cliff. the worse obama loses, the more likely they’ll get the message. he wont have my vote
Peggy Noonan is kind of like Ann Coulter only using the forces of smarm, faux-naive nicey-nice instead of direct confrontation and vicious insults? Noonan drives me up the wall.
Yes, I’ve also gotten the feeling that Ford leans Hillary & probably wouldn’t want her to take the VP spot (neither would I).
Rev. Wright coming up live on the TUCC website in a minute.
bostonboomer,
I don’t think so. I think Ford has always been an Obama guy. I have felt through this entire election Obama was the favorite choice of the DLC. Gooslebee is or was a senior fellow at the DLC. Ideologically Obama fits the DLC to a tee, although he’s technically not member. The DLC has not turn coated Hillary simply because of Bill’s historical relationship with the organization.
I am impervious to sweeties.
He will never get my vote.
I have to ask.. Whatever Obama and his people are telling the SDs about new voter registration and plans to win in November.. I bet he’s got more very important spreadsheets detailing voting blocs, demographics, states, etc. to show the map and argue how he’d win in November. Yes?
Has anyone stepped back to look at how the one leaked spreadsheet has matched against actual vote tallies since about when the Wright story broke? Because IMHO it’s not really that accuate, is it? He’s lost many states by greater margins than expected, lost Indiana, blown out in WV, bigger losses in OH and PA than they thought. They haven’t been too accurate about some of his wins either (NC, VA). I’m just saying his level of support seems a bit more.. unpredictable.
oh riverdaughter - that is BRILLIANT! Thank you.
Henry Dubb,
I guess I could be wrong, but I have seen Harold Ford on both MSNBC (morning Joe) and Fox News being very critical of Obama and arguing that Hillary should stay in the race. If he comes out and says he’s for Obama, I’ll admit I’m wrong. But right now, I have to disagree with you.
RD: one reason these “sweeties” don’t quite connect is that they probably ain’t real women. And just like Obama, they don’t listen.
It’s not just that they’re ignorant, it’s that they’re ignorant but they think they know it all.
Can’t you sense the metaphorical pats on your head when they post stuff?
“Ooh, you’re so cute when you’re angry!”
“Now that you got that out of your system, we’ll do it my way, because I know what’s best for you.”
BTW - I wuz the “someone” who said that line about being assigned your own troll.
Sheesh, I’m so dumb. I fell for a “sweetie” post at DU. It’s been such a hatefest there that I totally bit on the “sweetie” bait.
Never again!
bostonboomer,
Then I stand corrected. I certainly did not get the impression of him being pro-Hillary today.
BB..I agree about Ford. He is at least not a Hillary hater. He was the only one that defended Hillary as the VP choice. He said “The worry about the Clinton and Clinton (Bill) on the ticket won’t matter if you don’t win in November”. The others on the panel flat out said he won’t pick her. One said she won’t bring him one single state he can’t win on his own. Talk about living in a dream world.
The disrespect for her on that show just makes me more sure that I’m sitting out in November. I have never even considered doing that.
Hillary…don’t say yes if he offers. Please don’t go down with that sinking ship.
I read this in the chicago trib - last night & now today in wapo
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/17/AR2008051702425.html?hpid=topnews
really depresses me .
Wow Briana. They are hosting a fundraiser honoring Al Gore on the very day (May 31) they shaft Florida voters?
How stupid. If Gore lets me down on this before the race is over, I will just be heartsick.
Briana: It’s more of the same Haka. It may very well be the case that they are forced onto a joint ticket. But they are absolutely nuts if they think we’re going to settle for second.
she won’t bring him one single state he can’t win on his own
I think they live in a dream world as far as which states he can actually win..
Great post, RD.
I wonder how the naturally idealistic youth who are being sold a product via the Hope+Change(TM) ad campaign will feel when they get a little education about Chicago politics. Axelrod is Daley’s media consultant. The selling of Obama is so cynical.
Obama is in the thick of it, although he was Rezko’s second choice after Gov. Blag. Obama’s moral integrity is zero in my opinion.
Bill and Hillary never had any interest in money except 1) Hillary wanted to save enough money to send Chelsea to college (hence the Whitewater co-partnership with friend James McDougal who had NO association with any savings and loan at the time); and 2) to pay back the enormous lawyer bills that the relentless attacks upon them by the Gingrich (once Anna Huffington’s guru) Republican Party set forth, aided and abetted by our sorry excuse for a national press and the corporate-controlled TV stations. Tax payers were forced to cough up billions for these trumped up chargers. Meanwhile, it takes a Patrick Fitzgerald to snag a Rezko.
These are the very same TV stations that made Shrub a contender and trashed Gore and Kerry. They also ignored the affairs that Bush 41 had but were beside themselves with anything they could dig up on Bill Clinton. A woman at a Kerry volunteer event told me that a friend of hers who worked at ABC quit because of this double-standard. Bush 41 was off limits, Clinton was center target.
These stations exist to sell you a profit and make a profit for the few corporations that own them. As for NBC and MSNBC (General Electric) vote with your remote. DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR BOTTOM LINE.
All of the hatred directed against the Clintons by the Republicans was aimed at one target, the raison d’etre for Hillary–stopping health care of all Americans. If that were given to the people by virtue of the Clinton presidency, the Democratic Party would be riding on a wave of popularity unprecedented since Daddy Roosevelt. It would truly be considered the people’s party, and have votes that could stop the corporate domination of all aspects of American life. Even though the Clintons practiced a middle way, their objective in the early 90s was far more progressive than Obama has ever considered.
Having Time-Warner oust Ted Turner removed one of the few stations that really had some news, now it is a scandal sheet in motion.
The media really needs to be broken up and turned back to the people. If the voters during this election can figure out as much about Obama as we can, without been spoon fed Obama syrup by the mainstream media, maybe there is hope….but then there is also the Daily Obama…oh, well…
errata
“trumped-up charges” and “These stations exist to sell you a product”
Yeah daria, they are dreaming. He can’t win unless McCain does something really stupid. Even then, I think he’ll lose.
If it wasn’t so sad, it would be kind of funny to watch it happen. I think it is all about money now and they are trying to control all of it, not just their own.
Thanks vbonnaire. Uppity’s post was great. Loved the picture of the typical blogger boy with the red roses.
CB: The Clintons worked hard for their millions and they deserve all the wealth that is coming their way right now. No need to defend it.
tabby: It *is* funny. It’s absurd. Even Cokie “Tokyo Rose” Roberts is starting to realize the train wreck that is rapidly approaching. When even Cokie is gobstopped we have reached a tipping point.
What is even more demoralizing is that they just don’t get it. The thinking is that the voter, so tired of the Bush Admin and a possibility of a third term with McCain, will just forget the squalidness of this primary and suck it up. What is even more demoralizing is that they spent a whole week on something as trivial as Tuzla but have yet to give any serious reporting to Obama and the Chicago syndicate. It is almost as if they just don’t care.
Somehow, and I know I sound nuts at times, there is something nefarious at stake. Could anyone imagine what the reaction would be if one of Hillary’s staff was talking directly to a Hamas leader? The press would be all over it for days and she would be branded. He, on the other hand, announces the resignation of said staff member and the press backs off. It is astounding the double standard of reporting.
And to treat us as if we were whiny little girls who need to be “seduced” by the Sweeties making their way onto this blog and others to tempt us with visions of Roe v Wade is simply astonishing. What level of intellect, sensitivity, and strategy are we dealing with here?
Gosh I’m late to the Confluencer Sunday Brunch!
RIVERDAUGHTER - another home run with this article!
Thank you & Confluence team for giving us “pragmatists” a home.
R.A.T.s - go back to your holes. The Orkin man is in the house and you are going DOWN.
We beleive in DEMOCRACY. Every vote needs to be counted before a nominee is called.
How can they justify what The DNC & ObamaRATs are doing to Hillary? To me, we are reliving what was done to Gore.
We are not that stupid or obedient to let that happen again?
OPERATION TURNDOWN in effect!
NQ has a clip up of McLaughlin Group:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/18/must-watch-barack-is-weak-from-mclaughlin-group/
As others have said, I know the world has turned upside-down when I agree with Pat B and McL. One of Pat’s best lines was something like “the worst thing that could happen is that (Hillary) wins the popular vote and (Barack) wins the nomination.” [Worst, of course, for Dems. What in the world has happened to Eleanor Clift??? I just don’t get it.
Katiebird: this is really late and o/t, but I loved hearing you on the conference call! Hillary was inspiring and you were terrific. Great comments re: Chelsea, positive things to work with. You have such a kind, warm voice!
Pat, I agree — one of the biggest issues to come out of this mess, and one of the biggies that hardened my position, was the corporate media bias. It has been ridiculous and unforgivable, and heck, progressive have been talking for years about corporate media consolidation as an enemy to civic discourse. Now, all of a sudden, when the big money media corps are deciding our primaries, it doesn’t matter? Shouldn’t that be the biggest red flag in the world?
I’ve seen this mire characterized as a fight for the soul of the Democratic party, and I understand that characterization. What do we stand for? The fundamental issues are getting bigger and bigger, and I think that’s part of the reason why the “sweetie” hit and run Obama operatives are so transparent and pathetic. We know the issues at stake. We understand the long-term implications of conforming to Brand Obama.
And oh my, if he does indeed declare himself king before FL and MI are decided, on the heels of a huge KY thumping… will that ever backfire. I would ask how Obama Inc. can be so tone deaf, but clearly, it’s because O Inc. feels entitled. And, increasingly desperate. Onwards — we’ll see how this plays out.
I never thought I’d see the day when I’d find mysekf actually agreeing with Pat Robertson.
I’m actually looking forward to Obama declaring himself victor on 5/20.
There will be a roar louder than a sonic boom, and it won’t be from giddy ObamaRATs.
It’ll be from us.
It seems like the sweeties think raising McCain as a boogeyman is a winning argument that trumps all the unfairness and impropriety in this primary campaign.
They have pretty much given up on persuading us that Obama is better than Hillary.
Actually, they never really tried to change our minds, other than screaming “Hillary is EVIL!” and acting confused when we didn’t agree.
The sweetie treatment is part and parcel of the shame tactic that the Obama campaign uses over and over. It works on children, weak personalities, people who have something to be ashamed of, and those who are professional supporters of “others” than themselves. They have not figured out that it gets old really fast and pisses people off even more. I hope they keep doing it. The Republicans will make great sport of all of them. So should we. Let’s make fun of them.
Alice, I just do not see him as desperate. He is somehow of the persuasion that this is his for the asking. That he is merely biding his time for the next few days and will then announce that the race is over. Anyone who had any fear of backlash would adopt a more humble mantle. Not him.
My thinking is that I believe he has the supers in his pocket. That even if this goes to the floor the threat of turning lose the AAs will abort any consideration for her. The Dem Party, champion of minority rights, will not want to be portrayed as the party who “denied” this black man the nomination. So she can tally up as much as she wants by way of the popular vote, I firmly believe, (and I firmly want to be proven 100% wrong), that this is what they have been doing behind the scenes. The DNC, the Obama staff, the MSM, and those monied contributors have turned this into a travesty.
My hope is that Hillary, should this happen, plants the seed for a third party run. There are many who will be onboard.
If Cokie “gets it” perhaps others are catching on too. Maybe the
tipping point really is at hand.
The more I listen to other supporters of Hillary, the more convinced I am that Obama can not win us over. If he is pushed on us as the nominee, we’ll reject him.
As Cokie aptly wrote “And they only have themselves to blame.”
Question: How will Obama’s 5/20 declaration affect Puerto Rico? Would it increase or depress turnout? Will it not change anything?
Just wanting people’s thoughts and/or if you have any insights to Puerto Rican political culture.
Quick post before I head out door. Within that noquarter post embedding the McClaughlin group, there was a link to correntewire post about electability.
See http://www.correntewire.com/clinton_election_juggernaut_accelerates_0
Author opined that Dean, Pelosi and Reid wanted to wait until June before making announcements. The author states their alleged reluctance stems from a poll conducted by a Dean guy outlining Obama’s electability problems.
I don’t see Dean being that smart as to wait (which probably explains Donna Brazile’s problem). But other folks here know him better. What do you think? If so how will Tuesday night victory announcement play out?
(Frankly, I expect to see Dean/Pelosi standing there with Obama (but not Reid).
Correction: Brazile’s smile
myiq2xu, there are several bogeymans, it’s either the:
1) Roe vs. Wade/women rights (the irony in this arguement is just precious, since women’s rights are being violated with every comment made about Hillary is pure vitriol)
2) McCain & 100 years in Iraq (gues that went out the window since he’s even calling for troop withdrawal by 2013).
3) Be “good” democrats (last time I checked, “good” Democrat means equality/faireness for all, let the people’s voices be heard by counting every vote, but that’s just me)
4) You can’t get in the way of “history in the making” (shi&t, what about the first woman prez, isn’t THAT history too?)
On & on & on….
Pat, I’m with you on the third party - Hillary should definitely run as an Independent. There are millions that will jump on board to vote for her!
Obama and his supporter are more intent on the battle instead of the war.
The support that Hillary Clinton is getting, is from the voters. The voters who count in the general election.
Senator Obama has done nothing but run away since PA.
He no loner debates since that disaster
He no longer has Town Hall meetings since his gaffes
He no longer goes to states with ” those white people” and it is Fox’s fault
He has conceded Appalachian states, he has blocked FL & MI, He thinks he can win in Ohio..not a snow balls chance. He might eek out PA, but a 70/30 split in all but the five counties he won is going to be difficult. He has not managed to get the Latino vote despite 15 months of campaigning. He has managed to tick off blue collar workers, people without a secondary education and women.
He used to have a 50 or 57 state strategy which has shrunk starting by giving up parts of the electorate, then it was an entire state, WV, and now it is entire regions of the country.
If this continues, the only state Senator Obama is going to win in the general election is the state of Denial .
Don’t look to Nancy Pelosi to announce for Hillary. She considers herself to be the “most important woman in politics” and does not like to share the stage. If Hillary were to win that would place Nancy in a second tie position, a place she does not with to hold. As for Dean, his association with Donna B tells us where he will come down. Reid is a Hillary supporter.
If they make a big hoopla with him on Tuesday there is going to be hell to pay. This primary is not over no matter how well they have stacked the deck.
Cdalygo, LET THEM STAND WITH OBAMA.
Let them make complete and total fool of themselves.
Let them add gasoline to the “NO VOTE FOR OBAMA” fire that’s slowly growing.
If they do that - it’s all out war for May 31st.
There’s a new group called FDR, Florida Demands Representation that formed, there’s Operation Turndown, theres the group that was on O’Reilly, TRUST ME, there’s going to be a roar so loud, they won’t be able to ignore us.
Awesome post Riverdaughter! Glad to see you’ve got your wits about you and aren’t charmed by the new Obama charm offensive. Even if it were done competently (your breakdown of “cate’s” message to you was hilarious), I’m sure you could resist the Borg.
SM: It’s all part of the “Oh noez! Here comes McCain” shtick. Roe v. Wade, Iraq, “be good” etc.
The sweeties like to mention Roe v. Wade cuz someone told them wimmun care about that.
“Mention reproductive rights, chicks care about that stuff. And tell them they smell nice and say you like their hair.”
WS, I read El Nuevo Dia & Primera Hora as habit from living there a couple of years ago.
People aren’t having Obama. Michelle Obama’s trip there was lackluster at most. Normally, there’s a big caravan & parade for visiting VIPs, and it’s not gov’t planned, it’s just the people show up at the airport & follow the VIP araound.
Chelsea had caravans all the time during here stay there, a parade in Viejo San Juan, beach caravan in Vieques, the works. People showed up by the thousands in their cars, beeping horns, music blaring following chelsea around.
Michelle Obama. NONE.
My friend in Yabucoa (a small town in the SE corner) said to me that local polls are favoring Hillary by 70% to Obama at 30%, so far.
Hillary has done A LOT for the Latino community. We have more representation in the House of Reps, and other prominent positions thanks to her support & endorsements.
NewYorican community in NYC are 1000% behnd Hillary, and there is some influence there too.
My dear toothless Conflucians. Time to put our bitterness aside. Obama loves us and from now on his followers will be nice to us.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/18/obama_be_nice_to_clinton_suppo.html
SM, thats comforting news. Puerto Rico needs to come out big for Hillary.
myiq2xu, Yes! Just show that you care about what they say, and never forget to tell them you love you mom a whole bunch and call her every Sunday.”
PS: Props to your posts on CorrenteWire, and your hair smells nice, oh wait… your smells look nice… did I tell you that I call my mom every Sunday?
Puerto Ricans WILL deliver a victory for Hillary.
hlr, on May 18th, 2008 at 11:34 am said:
In other words, Republicans, the new Democrats in name only? The name should be changed to the Trojan Horse Party.
Ann, try this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v413/Fizzit/BOMissionAccomplished.jpg
myiq, dude, you are funny.
RD, nicely done, my friend. Nicely done. I guess Confluence has hit the big time with all the R.A.T. squeaking going on. So, does this make Sen. Obama Willard? Or is Axelrod Willard?
(1970s film reference, check google for details.)
Those first compare-a-R.A.T. posts remain deeply funny to me. Did you ever contact the orignal dumbass R.A.T. and tell her how she was such a sweetie for contributing to your hit counter? Would you like me to write the email for you? I would use all the swear words and even invent a couple.
Does anyone else pick up a weird grating condescending sweetie tone in every post? Of someone trying really hard to keep his/her temper and not hit you over the head with a shovel?
I’ve been lurking here for the longest, and love this site. It has been mentioned previously that sending ripped up voter registrations back to the DNC as a protest and re-registering as Independent might be effective. What if there were public events in county seats and state capitols, with Democrats burning their voter registration cards and then going to register with a different status? It would give a visual impact to protesting that might be more powerful.
This is so true, that chart is perfect! I have been abused and run over so much by Obamatrons on DU - oh excuse me OBAMA UNDERGROUND - that I left months ago. I have a Hillary Yahoogroup, and now we have:
http://www.democrats-against-obama.org
where you can be listed as a ‘Democrat Against Obama’
Just started, but we are starting up local chapters, and will have a forum.
Kudos, this is just fantastic, wil pass on to my members!
Can the forces that be rescue one of my latest posts?
riverdaughter - Thank you for the excellent analysis. I wondered why the sweetees sounded so affectless. I notice they avoid contractions: “I am” and not “I’m.”
Probably paid by the word, eh?
Michelle looked very unhappy when she was campaigning in Puerto Rico. She was wearing a bizarre blouse with huge ruffles up the front. She looked as it she were wearing a costume and she didn’t like it.
Thanks
I promise to be good from now on.
Ms. Marple, that doesn’t have to happen because HIllary is going to be the nominee.
Ohio: LOL! So true. They can barely disguise their contempt for us. Here they are, taking precious time out of their day between teaching seminars in Women’s Studies to write a shmoozy trolly post to a bunch of inbred ingrates. She probably has to go wash her hands after touching the keyboards. God, what she has to do for the party. But it will all be worth it in the end when Obama triumphs and ushers in a new era of Democracy. Then we’ll be so grateful that she took the time to do all of the dirty work on our behalf, not like she expects any thank you notes from us. I mean, we can barely read.
Upstate: I have no idea how you ended up in the spam filter. There were other worthy commenters as well. Don’t take it personally.
I actually thought Michelle looked pretty in that blouse. Now don’t accuse me of being a troll, please? But I think we should try to rise above that kind of thing. Please don’t accuse me of being a troll.
Zelda: She can look pretty and still be an unpleasant person with a chip on her shoulder. That doesn’t make you a troll.
RD, fucking A, you kill me. The Saruman thing was hysterical.
So for the coronating, I’m thinking we need a nice graphic of Sen. Obama with a lovely tinfoil crown. Tagline: “I deign to reign.”
Judges - Thoughts?
http://wonkette.com/390772/michelle-obama-fashion-plate
I like the blouse. Carolina Herrera? Not wild about the belt, I think maybe a simpler one would have been better, but all in all nice outfit and not an easy style to wear, she pulls it off very well. I only wish I could say much good about her speeches, but her wardrobe is pretty great IMHO.
I like to discuss clothing. Michelle Obama is in the public eye, and what she wears is part of the Obama marketing package. I noticed that earlier in the campaign, she wore clothes that were similar to those worn by Jackie Kennedy. I’m sure that was deliberate.
Maybe this is not the place for this type of dicussion. My point is that I’m not being catty about what Michelle wears.
I’m interested in body image/self esteem issues. Michelle seems as if she’s uncomfortable in her public role. I find her a tragic figure.
Ohio: Wouldn’t a tinfoil tiara be more appropriate?
And it should be titled “The Presumptuous Nominee”
Arabella: Like her or not, Michelle is a strong woman who accomplished a lot on her own before she ever met Barack. In most election years she would be a feminist icon.
But her husband’s campaign has made an issue of denigrating Hillary’s time as First Lady (”White House Hostess”
so if he wins she can look forward to the same treatment.
IOW - She won’t be “Michelle Obama,” she’ll be “Mrs. Barack Obama”
I’d be pissed too.
Okay, I have no idea where the smiley face came from.
myiq2xu: The smiley came from you using the ; and - and ) in close proximity. as in
Peronally, I found Michelle’s blouse offensive. Like all Latinos wear ruffled mambo shirts so she wanted to “blend” in. That was my take on it.
The blouse was too “cocktail time” for a daytime visit.
The belt was hideous, the skirt pattern clashed with the blouse.
What would have been nice is a simple white or grey blouse short or mid-length sleeves with the skirt, sans hideous belt.
Her hair wasn’t looking its best as it normally does given the humidity down there, so I’ll give her that. PR is smouldering humid.
But the blouse? Eck. For her first visit, she should have gone more conservatively dressed.
RD: all I used was the “end parentheses” character after the “end quote”
It wuz magic!
Thank you, RD. And I’ll see your “unpleasant person with a chip on her shoulder” and raise you one angry hateful bitch on wheels.
I have eclectic taste and all my life people have been telling me what I should wear. I don’t like it and I think basically everyone should wear what they want to wear and not be judged by it.
I too loved the Saruman thing. And from the first time I saw B.O. speak on a YouTube video, I’ve thought of Saruman and Gandalf’s warning to his party “Don’t listen to him.”
Ms Marple, protesting by burning or ripping voter registration cards could work especially if you live in Florida or Michigan (or just to protest how those states were treated without any solutions brought forward by the DNC to fix it). Once Hillary becomes the nominee, we can switch back!
EDIT: Ms Marple, on second thought, protesting by burning or ripping up voter registration cards and sending the remnants to the DNC could work especially if you live in Florida or Michigan (or just to protest how those states were treated without any solutions brought forward by the DNC to fix it). Once Hillary becomes the nominee, we can switch back!
myiq2xu - I agree with you to a certain extent. I think Michelle was out of her depth at Princeton and she still has resentments as a result. Her thesis is painful to read. She grew up with an athletic older brother who was worshipped by her parents. I don’t think she got the attention she deserved. She’s not ready for the stresses of campaigning and public life. She is way more stronger than her husband. He could not have gotten to where he is now without her.
Dearest Arabella, ditto the above. Depthwise. The thesis does however set her up for Wright, doesn’t it? As in her next 20 years. Her core belief systems were formed by the time that thesis was written, perhaps even before, and her brand of centrism is not a good fit for the Democratic Party as we have known it. Nor Brazile’s.
Arabella, your comment on Michelle that “He could not have gotten to where he is now without her.” is accurate, I think, because her father was a precinct captain in Chicago, which made him very powerful in Chicago infighting politics. She absorbed techniques for winning elections with her pablum.
All that are thinking of not voting in the GE if Hillary isn’t the nominee, should consider writing in Hillary instead. Send a clear message to the DNC that those that support Hillary won’t be swayed by their despicable tactics of discounting FL and MI.
As far as changing parties, I changed to Independent back in December because of what the DNC did to FL and MI., though I still voted for Hillary in our primary. Don’t watch CNN or MSNBC, you’ll only be helping them in their Obama agenda and condoning their sexist media coverage.
Great site here, glad to see so many who feel the same about what’s been going on in the media and the double standard with Hillary Clinton, as well as not letting the party or the media spoon feed Obama to us.
Peggie Noonan is the genius author of the famous tagline, during the Clinton impeachment saga: “It would be irresponsible not to speculate…” thus opening the door to countless speculations about the Bush administration, most of which turned out to be true, except not scary enough.
I think it should be “sweeteez” with a Z, like the “Boiz…”
Wow a liberal who talks sense! Thank you!
McCain ‘08
“We’re not buying the hopey-changey unity shtick”
Thanks for the quote of the day. Great line!
Another vote against putting Clinton on the ticket as VP!
some of you folks might not like this but in my opinion the best way to vindicate Hillary and ourselves is to help elect McCain in the Fall. I live in Ohio, which I think the Obama campaign is going to write off, and most of the people i know who voted for Hillary are unquestionably going for McCain. If it were Romney or Huckabee probably not. But McCain is making himself acceptable on some odd level.
Very funny and very true.
Many of those exact things were said to me at Huffington Post. It was pretty much the same script except that they also accused me of working for Rush Limbaugh. Then the blog banned me, and erased all of my comments.
Today the Obama campaign — and the extremely hypocritical Arianna — are trying to make nice with Hillary, in an attempt to get her supporters to cross over to Obama. That will not work for some of us — including me — particularly since Obama did nothing to stop the abuse of Hillary supporters when it was at its peak.
Even with MI and FL counted Obama wins more pledged delegates. With the caucus vote estimates included he’s got more popular vote even not granting him any of MI uncomiitted voters. He’s overcome an enormous institutional advantage Hillary Clinton has enjoyed based on her and her husband’s time in the White House. He is consolidating the support of the Democratic Party superdelegates who were long hesitant to endorse him. How is he not the nominee, fair and square?
I understand many of you resent Obama his victory and think he accomplished it unfairly, but I rarely see how that happened. Both Democrats have accomplished a great deal but one managed to achieve a little bit more.
This chart you’ve made to mock Obama supporters for beginning to try to convince Senator Clinton’s supporters to join him over the next six months if he’s the nominee is amusing, but don’t you think that Senator Clinton’s supporters would be going through the exact same feelings if she were currently in the lead?
Obviously feelings have been hurt over this campaign, and right now Obama supporters are pumped because he’s done so well and people who’ve been working with his campaign feel incredibly empowered. That doesn’t mean we all want to dump on Clinton supporters, and it doesn’t mean we don’t want and realize we need your help to put a Democrat in the White House in November.
Huffpost is trying to make nice today. Too late Zsa Zsa.
Yikes, as an Obama supporter - not a mindless “sweetie” thank you very much - it’s incredibly disheartening to read the comments here. There were many times in the heat of the campaign when I vowed that I wouldn’t vote for Hillary if she became the nominee. But the reality is, if she had gotten it (or does still get it) I would’ve held my nose and pulled the lever for her - no matter how many things she did during the campaign that I didn’t approve of. It is nothing short of selfish to do otherwise - not just because of Roe Vs. Wade, but because of the G.I. bill that McCain won’t support, our failing economy and oh yeah that war with Iraq that he will surely instigate. This is too big an election to launch a protest vote. I completely understand why you feel angry with the media. Believe me, we Obama supporters weren’t loving the media so much during the wall to wall coverage of Rev. Wright for a month straight either! But I really hope that people reading will do what’s best on behalf of the country and mobilize against the real bad guys once the sting of all of this wears off.
It’s not just the media I’m angry with, believe me.
“But I really hope that people reading will do what’s best on behalf of the country and mobilize against the real bad guys once the sting of all of this wears off.”
Who’s to say who the real bad guys actually are? People who agree to silence opposition by censoring it? People who make promises they plan to “revisit” once they are elected? People who are forced by the religious right to enunciate promises they can easily abandon?
Huffington’s valentine to Clinton is too late; the greed for her supporters is crudely transparent — those who don’t acquiesce get cut off at the knees. Timeo Daneos et dona ferentes.
Wow, did a blog full of rude people link here or what?
Not directed at you bauersox.
Marjorajam, if the shoe fits.. (Seriously who linked us, what with the sudden influx of hostility.)
Let’s be honest - there is not a whole lot of difference between Barack and Hillary policy wise. I’ve personally been for Barack but I have friends (and my girlfriend) that are for Hillary. Unless you live in a bubble, you know there are plenty of rational and smart people supporting both candidates for good reasons and making rationalizations to ditch the party if your candidate doesn’t win is childish.
Hillary and Barack both want to bring the same things to the US, the difference is mainly in style and approach. I know they will go on fighting together for the good of the people after the primary season is over, regardless of who ends up getting the nod.
This is why a drawn out, negative nomination fights are dangerous, when people can become blind to the fact that both their candidates are very similar and neither is the devil incarnate.
This was linked to from Ben Smith’s blog at Politico.
This blog didn’t allow me to submit a comment with the source link. That may be where some of the rude people are coming from.
How exactly would you diagram yourself? I’d like to see some honest introspection.
Your anger is misplaced.
Of course Obama supporters are appealing to Clinton supporters for the general in the event that Obama is successful in securing the nomination, just as Clinton supporters would want and need to appeal to Obama supporters. This is a bitter primary contest, nasty things have been said on all sides in the blogosphere, and there’s a process where people will decide whether their anger about the campaign will allow them to support the opposing primary candidate in November.
There’s no hypocrisy at all here. The same people who wrote all kinds of shit about Obama supporters would be asking for their money and time and still could be if this turns out differently then expected. Its the game.
Therein lies the crux of the problem. Since the game is about the delegates and always has been about the delegates, but Clinton spun it into it’s about this, no this, no this, her supporters feel cheated.
So anyone who disagrees with you or your posts is automatically a troll?
How is anyone supposed to have a meaningful conversation in this country when we only talk AT each other and never WITH each other?
I find it funny that folks complaining of censorship would censor out comments that were not in particular rude. I stated my contention that selfish dedication to a single ideal above all else was a hindrance to progress. The idea being that refusing to accept one good because it is not the specific version you wanted is counterproductive.
I was really just trying to ignore the tone of a “sweetie” you pillory above. I dont want you to think i am trying to trick you with some corp-speak tricks. Mostly, I wanted you to think about the fact that Obama supporters DO feel the way you describe above. Think about why we might feel that way. Is it because we are misogynist, died-in-the-wool crazies? or is it perhaps that your blend of “pragmatism” if thats what you want to call it, is not really as obvious as you think.
Both parties belittle each other. Clearly you are intelligent (you do write well), and clearly you have reasons to believe what you do. But is getting 100% of what you want worth sacrificing 80%? If you think Hillary is the only one who can beat McCain, is it worth making that self fulfilling by voting for him?
if you do, i guess there really isn’t any room for discussion. Its a good thing there are more republicans willing to vote for Barack than the other way around.
bauersox - are you really asking who the real bad guys are? are you really saying that the policy differences between both dems and mccain don’t mean anything to you? there is no substantial policy divide between the hillary and barack - and on the other side you have a crazy old hawk who wants to nuke iran, start a draft and screw us out of universal health care. i get that you guys here are upset and agree that sexism, like racism, played an unfortunate and large role in this campaign (though frankly, the fact that several commenters here spent time playing fashion police to michelle obamas outfit strikes me as just a touch hypocritical.)
I am ready to “girlcott” the election if Obama is not on the ticket. Yey!
These sweeties are clueless.
You mean, you are going to girlcott the election if Hillary is not on the ticket. I agree. No Hillary, no vote!
RD: Please don’t delete this trash talk right away, I want to see how good these sweeties are at seduction.
You make a great analysis of us, Obama supporters. Some of it quite true and very impressive. But I don’t get why you would want to have Hillary as your president … what is so special about her that makes you want to leave the Democratic party unless she is nominated? She is just another politician, isn’t she? If she has some special qualities please let us know.
Obama on the other hand, is winning with his paper thin resume against the greatest political machine in the Dem party because he is truly special. I’m not saying that he has supernatural powers or sth like that, rather he possesses a combination of courage, humility, truthfulness and brilliance. Read his book and you will understand why I say what I say.
Finally, it is not because he is half-black or half-white that I am supporting him to be president, it is because I know he will work to not only better the lives of Americans here but also help the billions of people all over the world who are desperate for a world leader that will lead in eradicating poverty, conflicts, global warming, etc. Think about it, he lived in Indonesia; his father was from Kenya; he has seen the world not as a visiting aristocrat, but as one of them living their lives and our lives. A single mother raised him with help from her father, who fought in WW II, and mother who worked in the bomb assembling plants. He has the values of those small town Kansans as well as the knowledge of the values in Indonesia, Kenya, etc.
For people like you, who probably has never been in any other country, except may be Central American vacation spots, people hate America because we are so free and democratic and all that other junk, but they hate us for our double standards and hypocrisies. And I believe Barack will gain us back the respect we lost in the past 8 years.
Obama / Clark 08!!
Candypoem: Wow…I bet the women who worked so hard to get you that vote would be so proud.