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Wednesday: People Like Us

There are three must read posts from two of our friends and one satellite sister today.  I’m calling these posts “What they did to us”, “Why they’re doing it” and “How to start fighting back”.

The first, What they did to us, is at PUMAPac and is an update and second teaser for the film, The Audacity of Democracy, The Hillary Flashpoint and Battle for the Soul of the Democratic Party.

Darragh is still raising funds to finish the film, scheduled for around inauguration in 2009, though if it’s finished earlier, doesn’t it get counted in the Academy Awards category of documentary?  I dunno.  Anyway, if you contribute now and pre-order your copy of the film now, you will get a DVD of clips from various PUMA events in Denver, including the one where Sheri Tag and MarylandPUMA tag teamed the reprehensible Tommy Christopher, “journalist”.  Not to be missed!

The second post that I call, “Why they’re doing it”, is from our satellite sister, who isn’t a PUMA, Anglachel.  Her post, Where the Shadows Lie, will put a chill up your spine and not merely because the title refers to Tolkien’s Mordor.  It’s because you come away feeling like a Clinton Democrat is one of the most reviled creatures on earth to the Unity Democrats.  We’ve all experienced this irrational hatred towards us.  For example, I can now spot an Obama troll from a mile away by noting the condescension dripping off the page.  They assume that we are just barely literate even though many of us have advanced degrees or no degree but are self-taught BS detectors.  If we’re so stupid, how is it we can trace their IP addresses back to the Humanities departments of so many (formerly) prestigious universities, like Boston University and Columbia?  But I digress.  Here is the money quote from the scary smart Angachel, Clintonista Divine:

To cut to the chase, the push in 2004 for a “Unity Party” has been realized with Howard Dean delivering the Democratic Party into the hands of the High Broderists who value unity for unity’s sake more than any other political cause or virtue. They don’t even want to claim to be part of their party, hoping people will forget and just vote for those nice clean, articulate fellas. This is part of internalizing the Reagan assault on the legitimacy of the Democratic Party as such. Psychologically, to them, the Democratic Party is the remnants of the uneducated, racist, white South and rust-belt north, who vote for Bubbas like Clinton and reject above-partisanship technocrats and idealists like Bill Bradley, John Kerry, Michael Dukakis, Paul Tsongas and Howard Dean himself. The nerve of them people! And thus, this year, we have the Unity Democrats, non-partisan to the end.

The dark underbelly of this move is the presumption that the people who have been told their interests must wait will always be there for the Democrats because we have nowhere else to go. Specifically, this means African Americans, women voters and GLBT voters.

The focus of the Unity Democrats is on the winners of the economic realignment, those who managed to win a place in the white collar upper-middle class. People like my family and my husband’s, who leveraged the affluence of the post-war era to vault from being immigrants and farmers to being professionals in various government bureaucracies, law, finance, and new, white collar industries like high tech and bio-tech. The other part is to minimize the damage the losers of that realignment can inflict, which mostly means refusing to commit to policies and plans that will defend their interests. Or even their lives. Obama’s campaign is not about social goods and resources, but about cultural markers of class inclusion, such as your level of education, where you shop, whether you live in urban or rural environments, etc. He has difficulty addressing the failures of an economic system contiguous with his own class and which is deeply invested in his candidacy, and I don’t just mean the campaign contributions. He is the exemplar of a mode of life that, while not as unreachable as that of Bush’s base, is still out of reach of those who do not have the education, acculturation and business contacts to climb up that economic ladder.

The ultimate shadow of Reagan is that you don’t win by defending losers, only by securing the interests of the winners. That is the dark heart beating in the chest of the Unity Democrats. They are done with the losers.

Yep, we are the LOOOOSSSERRRSSS according to the Chris Bowers types even if we are for the most part indistinguishable from them.  The resentment comes down to people who still require something from government, like equal rights for women, African-Americans, the GLBT community, the elderly.  If you need something from the Unity Democrats, forget it.  You are now being set adrift on your own little ice-floe.  Of course, they still need you to win, as evidenced by the 63 branch offices that the Obama campaign has set up in PA.  But here’s the message that must be delivered to those Pennsylvanians like my mom, siblings, aunts, uncles and cousins: The Obama Democrats do not care about you any more than the Bush Republicans did.  Just vote for every woman on the ballot and hope that someday we’ll get to a 30% Solution.

The last post is from our friend, Heidi Li Feldman.  Her post is Want to fix the Democratic Party?  Steps you can take now is full of short term, practical actions that will yield long term results.  Heidi is a cockeyed optimist too.  Never say die.  There are still things you can do to make sure you the party has a core that will survive the massive meltdown it is headed for in November by stupidly putting Obama at the helm.  For example:

  • You can donate to the Denver Group and Democrats for Principle before party.  The funds will be used to buy ads in Capital Hill newspapers to let Congress know we’re still out here and there is strength and numbers in the Clinton wing of the party.
  • You can contribute to a slate of Democrats who are in unexpectedly tight races this year and whose presence in Congress will shore up that wing of the party.  We recommend Linda Stender, Kay Hagen, Kirsten Gillibrand, Al Franken, for example.  See out ActBlue page for other suggestions.
  • You can call your Senator and urge him/her to elect Clinton as Senate Majority Leader.  Heidi tells us that now is the time that the political jockeying for positions is done.  In a week or so, they will be ordering their inaugural ball gowns and putting aside business for the year.  Strike while the Iron is Hot.

Now, a lot of the actions require you to make a donation.  Please take the money you might have sent to the DNC this year and donate to the downticket Dems of your choice, then to the causes that will help you re-establish your party. The Denver Group has a plan, PUMAPac has activities and a movie.  It’s an investment in your future and the future of the country.

And remember, “We are the ones no one expected.”

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  1. Considering Obama’s poor polling and his crappy campaign so far It looks like the creative class are the real losers. They’re the ones that have a history of supporting general election losers. What’s one more to them?

  2. Before of familiar stereotypes.

    NQ has an interesting post on who got how much from certain tainted Wall Street firms.

    Months ago I had seen similar information from more liberal writers, and got a few cheers and jeers for referring to Senator Obama, whimsically, as (R-IL)…

    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/17/who-was-in-wall-streets-pocket/

  3. Thanks for this post RD – I’ve been reaching out to people but this is solid initiatives that give me and hopefully many others direction and a definitive, step by step way of getting closer to our goal of positioning Hillary where she can do the most good for all.

  4. Wow…that documentary preview was very thought provoking. Good show….

  5. I don’t know…..Senate Majority Leader….a la Nancy? I’ll have to think about that….with the kind of Senate we have had lately, I don’t want H’s approval ratings to go down the drain…..

  6. I cry every time I see this type of pieces.
    Can all of us “ban-together” & get Greta to give “US” 1-show to present “our” case to the public.
    It’s TIME!!!!

  7. I love the action list. Thanks RD. Like Joanelle, I have needed the guide for myself and others/

    I have been wondering about Al Franken. There were no quotes from the primary season that I could find. Did he stay a Clinton supporter through the end?

  8. oh, oh, oh….from AP

    “Democrats, meanwhile, are relying on Palin’s homegrown critics in Alaska. They call themselves “Alaska Mythbusters,” a nod to the popular television show. The team is made up mostly of elected officials who have opposed or know Palin and who criticize her work, such as the mayor of tiny Ketchikan, Bob Weinstein.”

    I am sure the GOP is scared sh*tless of the Alaska Mythbusters squad…..Way to go, DNC.

  9. The comment about the Obama trolls is the one that hit me the hardest. I opened my email this morning and had a rare comment on my blog. Since I am always here, I rarely post any more. When I clicked on the link for the troll, it said Washington Post. Now I am no Gary and am not really sure how to trace a URL back, but someone leaving trash on my blog from the WaPo?

  10. Just finished reading Anglachel’s article…..scary smart s/he is….

  11. These people are caustic. Their freakin’ concupiscence for BO is close to making me up-chuck.

    When I read their vitriolic comments/articles, sometimes I just think, “Meh, yawn” … as they’re so damn iterative. Do they think calling me (us) “stupid” and “ignorant” will lead to anyone saying “Oh yeah, you’re SO right! I am stupid. Now, hand me that yummy Koolaid.”

    What are they going to call me next? A Dum Dum? Rubber? Glue?

  12. RD – the DVD link takes me to a paypal error page.

  13. I finally realize why i always get bored and loose track during baracks speeches. he always places the meat of the speech , ie proposals and stuff he wants to do, in the middle to end of the speech. so I always fall asleep during the first half of the speech where he tells us how things are bad for us and how we should feel about things.

  14. I’ve been getting emails from a Tahna suddenly which I now delete. An acquaintance forwarded an anti-Palin email with a “what do you think?” and didn’t hide the damned email list…So now Tahna is sending me all this pro-Obama stuff as well as horrible anti-Palin screeds.

    Today’s news..

    McCain LIVE at the Clinton Global Initiative, Obama by Satellite (Too Busy Cramming for the 1st Presidential Debate the NEXT DAY?)

    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/mccain-live-at-the-clinton-global-initiative-obama-by-satellite-too-busy-cramming-for-the-1st-presidential-debate-the-next-day/

    At first I thought Clitnon was possibly snubbing Obama by just having him by satellite feed…or that Obama was snubbing Clinton by not wanting to show up in person…then I looked at the date involved…….

  15. Just came from TL….oh my….all I have to say, is thank G for BTD….I may not always agree with Armando, but he is still one of the few “sane” voices out there.

    On the economy and the left blogosphere…sure, lets ignore it and keep attacking the P woman…that will help matters.

    No wonder the O campaign is begging its blogistas to stop it (to no avail, it would seem).

  16. “Fragile egos, poor self esteem, and tiny little dicks.” This is my explanation when asked why the O followers are so vile. Someone I respect immensely in local Dem circles calls them “O-holes”. The backlash internally is going to be really bad if Obama does not win this election and I think they are starting to realize the extent of the humiliation. Dems are going to loose some of my local incumbents because the money has dried up with Obama siphoning everything off from supporters and everyone else keeping their hands in their pockets. PUMA is the first to acknowledge, describe, and organize what is starting to happen. PUMA are the oracles.

  17. I’m getting an error page on the PayPal link :/

  18. Obama-Biden Reservations Confirmed
    Washington Prowler

    By The Prowler
    Published 9/17/2008
    York Post report that quoted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari as saying that Barack Obama during his July visit to Baghdad demanded that Iraq not negotiate with the Bush Administration on the withdrawal of American troops. Instead, he asked that they delay such negotiations until after the presidential handover at the end of January.

    The three problems, according to campaign sources: The report was true, there were at least three other people in the room with Obama and Zebari to confirm the conversation, and there was concern that there were enough aggressive reporters based in Baghdad with the sources to confirm the conversation that to deny the comments would create a bigger problem.

    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  19. Insightanalytical: too busy cramming…

    No too full of himself after having heard Streisand serenaded him yesterday after a private fund raiser dinner party in Hollywood hills with big ticket celebs. Just hung over on pride and arrogance

  20. insightanalytical: thanks for link. He SHOULD be cramming for the debate and practicing with his teleprompter…. he’s awful when it screws up on him :)

  21. “tiny little dicks”?…wait a minute, I am not an O supporter…….oh, never mind.

  22. From TM: “Obama Camp Files Injunction Over Alleged Voter Suppression in MI”

    now….that is a good one!

  23. UpstateNY: I posted that very thing on another website and for some reason (perhaps the Obama Fan Club nature of the board) they didn’t find that nearly as hilarious as I did!

  24. PUMA are the oracles.

    I love that.

    I’m still hungover from being attacked by various Palin destroyers yesterday. They are positively hysterical about this woman. How can another woman, “feminists,” scream and yell about how she is raising her kids? Basically, they are telling me: a woman cannot have kids and be in a demanding job, even if she has an extensive support network. It’s “incredibly selfish.” What happened to the liberal p.o.v.: it’s none of your damn business? I guess they only support freedom of choice when it looks like the choices they would make. The feminists are lining up: Gloria Steinem, Katha Pollit, Eve Ensler, NOW, NARAL to eviscerate Palin. These voices are feeding the frenzy, and I’m receiving their emails and talking points from friends and acquaintances. They are even more emboldened in their bigotry by these “authorities.”

    A friend in the entertainment business in LA said she “wants to shoot Palin from a plane” (like the wolves). What is that? Does she think, living in LA, that she knows more about the environment in AK than someone who has grown up there and lived her life in the outdoors? Madness.

  25. This almost hurts, so I am not good enough? Takes me back to a time in high school when I was dating a local boy, but he was a “townie” and I lived in a rural area on a farm. His mother told him, that I was nice enough and quite pretty, but not really “their type”.

  26. From TM: “Obama Camp Files Injunction Over Alleged Voter Suppression in MI”

    OMG…the horror, the horror of this guy.

  27. McCain leads 58% to 38% among those who regularly shop at Wal-Mart while Obama leads 61% to 36% among those who don’t frequent the retail giant.

    what, they don’t sell arugala at wal-mart?

  28. kim, my first boyfriend when I was 18 was a facist…long story :)

  29. TheRealKim: that’s exactly what this is–a culture war. The elites are horrified by these “rural” people who are ignorant, racist, hunters and God-loving. The Superior Ones believe they know best how to run things, and the rubes should just shut up and stay out of the way. Why would you choose to live in rural PA unless you were stupid and weren’t talented and smart enough to make it to the big fancy city where “everyone” wants to be? Guiliani made a joke about that at the Convention re: Wasilla. “Senator Obama doesn’t think it’s a shiny city or COSMOPOLITAN enough.” [paraphrase]

    What’s ironic for me this time around is that I have had many of those advantages, and I am still disgusted by this attitude. I have relatives in PA who hunt. They grew up with it, and do it with respect and responsibly. It’s not my thing, but do I think hunting should be banned because it is primitive? No, that’s part of a free society–we have to be a big enough tent to tolerate and allow for other ways of living, as long as they do not hurt others. The hostility of their absolute certainty is frightening, and reminiscent of Bush’s dogmatic approach.

  30. Bad news for BO:

    Paulson declared the “fundamentals of the economy are strong”.

    Attention Obama – the head economist declared McCain correct.

  31. [...] 17, 2008 by madamab Riverdaughter is SSSSSMOKIN.’ This is one amazing post, people. Miss it and run the risk of being uninformed!!! [...]

  32. carol, I don’t think paulson is the most credible person at this point.

    upstate, I saw charles’ post. even though he’s up by 13, that’s still pretty bad, right? didn’t Kerry win NY by over 20 points?

  33. Gore won NY by 25 pts, Kerry by 19

  34. Carol – so did Bloomberg yesterday – and he’s an Obot.
    Thing is – nobody knows, but yelling fire in the crowded theater for political gain – not so great either.

  35. “Just vote for every woman on the ballot and hope that someday we’ll get to a 30% Solution.” — I’ve been doing that for years– but I drew the nausea line at Liddy Dole’s feet (Sen.R,NC). In NC , Purdue (wannabee Gov NC)went in the tank before the water was even warm, so I don’t know if I can vote for such a fervent O’Supporter. The GOP opposition, McCroy is unfortunately a Vouchers Are Gold gremlin so I can’t support him. Uh, oh. Am I out of candidates or what? Help me out graychapelhill

  36. A black man used as a pawn in a class war between whites? Where have I read that before? Oh yeah, Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man.

  37. I jsut read the following in a marketing newsletter I get:
    Noted Relationship Expert, Gary Neuman, on a recent Oprah episode mentioned that men want to be winners. He indicated that this need is so intense it can be noticed in a guy’s sports watching behavior.

    When his team has a chance of winning, says Neuman, a man will watch to the end, rooting his team on. However, if a guy’s watching his favorite team play and it looks like the game is going to be a a shut out, he’ll simply turn off the TV or turn the channel.

    Hmmm, interesting I thought – explains why all those frat boys won’t give in but might also explain when they perceive that there is no hope of O winning that they’ll walk away – “turn off the channel”

    I just sent an email to wnyc – telling them that it’s not so much the “Palin effect” that is pulling women away from Obama but rather it’s the fraud that took place at the Dem convention – we can’t vote for a thief. We might all reach out to our local/regional papers, radio stations and bombard them with info about the convention – I’m sure at least a few would be curious and follow up – we’ve got to get that and O’s Iraq connect out there.

  38. PUMA story coming up on Fox…..

  39. can’t even believe i’m watching fox…

  40. Great post RD. I especially liked this line:

    “They assume that we are just barely literate even though many of us have advanced degrees or no degree but are self-taught BS detectors.”

  41. I believe it is our responsibility to be “whistle blowers” – there are vast numbers of people out there who only believe what they read in their local papers -who don’t use computers or have their own computers -we need to blow the whistle on the DNC until the media hears it.

  42. churl – McCrory’s a moderat Repub who’s done a lot of good things for Charlotte. I’m not really worried about a voucher system in this state just yet, but I am totally disgusted with Perdue’s oportunism and just can’t vote for her.

  43. spell check anyone? Sheesh! That’s “moderate” Repub.

  44. Lord… “opportunism”. I clearly need more coffee.

  45. Rumors about Rothchild coming out for McCain have been confirmed – she called O arrogant and not in touch.

  46. My totally irrational reaction to Bev Perdue is the same one I had towards John Edwards: Slime Ball. I always second guessed that feeling with Edwards. I won’t with Perdue.

  47. churl and julie, I know Perdue has problems. but I’m not a fan of the NC GOP at all. I can’t support McCrory under any circumstance. i myself will probably hold my nose and vote for bev. I think her support of Obama is more tepid than you guys indicate. He couldn’t even remember her name at an event for her and kay hagan. I have to say that Doles’ “fibber Kay” ads make me laugh though. the grammar is so bad. have you guys seen the one where she attacks Hagan for owning oil wells all over the country and then they say

    “but she opposes offshore drilling. Guess she doesn’t own one of those”

    It always makes me laugh. she doesn’t own one of what, an “offshore drilling”? LOL :)

  48. johninca, he’s only up by 6 in illinois?????

  49. Gary– he is indeed only up 6 in the ARG numbers. I see the potential for some real comedy if Obama loses IL…

  50. JohnInCa – I am shocked that Obama isn’t further ahead in KS, Utah and WY! I mean, he won those states in the primary!
    ;-)

  51. BTW – Incredible post, RD!!!

  52. I think some of those numbers are a little off. they only have Mccain up by 4 in WV. I don’t see how that’s possible. especially after O’s 40 pt loss to clinton there, that coupled with the fact that Obama called them all stupid and racist…

  53. Cramer and Mort declared the “fundamentals” are strong.

  54. Joanelle, on September 17th, 2008 at 10:31 am Said:
    Rumors about Rothchild coming out for McCain have been confirmed – she called O arrogant and not in touch.

    fox reported she “doesn’t like him personally”.

    i personally don’t like him either.

  55. Another excellent post. According to the standards of the Unity Dems I was not supposed to favor Tsongas and Dean but I did. And I faithfully voted for Democratic presidential candidates in each election going back to 1972 when I turned 18. It was the first election in which 18 year olds could vote.

    So I am trying something different this time. I will vote for the Republican presidential candidate for the first, and I hope, last time and help Illinois go red, not blue.

  56. Carol,
    i was so hoping Cramer would burst out on MJ this a.m., “you shoulda gone with Hillary – she’s got the brains for this!”.

  57. Then there’s this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/17/clinton-blindsided-by-sch_n_127064.html

    Didn’t we just see this on Saturday Night Live?

  58. Gary, I understand how you feel about the NC GOP, and I’m not voting Republican at the state level other than McCrory. I always pick the Democrat over Sue Myrick anyway, not that it ever makes a difference.

    Yeah, those “Fibber Kay Hagan” commercials make me laugh. I always think “Fibber Magee” and envision Kay Hagan opening a huge closet with everything falling out of it and the next thing I know, Liddy’s commercial is over. And I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed the atrocious grammar in the tv ads. Irritates the crap out of me.

    Of course, nothing will ever top the “Democrat for a Day” commercials Obama ran during the primary. Those literally gave me an upset stomach.

  59. Julie, I was listening to some radio station from Burlington the other day that is Obama central, and they were saying that if the repubs were going to claim that the Obama lipstick comment was about Palin, that they were hypocrites because of the Dole commercial with the yappy dog. they said that dole was implying that hagan was a “b#tch”. Of course it was two men discussing it. Love how the discussion of sexism always falls to the good old boys to sort out..

  60. This is one of the best videos I’ve seen pointing out the jello-ness of the shifty Obama.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16aBNduAyQ4

  61. frostback – I know. He has said in the past “she gets it”.

  62. To have real power you have to be able to do good (campaign contribution, votunteering,etc) and also you need to be able to punish and punish means, not only to stop contribution, but aid in their defeat in all legal ways possible. Some congressional elections turn on a few hundred or a few thoisand votes. When you take away 500 votes from one candidate and give it to his opponent that is a turn of 1,000 votes. I do not want the Democrats to lose their majorities. McCain will be required to work with them and by the same token , if they want things, they will have to work with McCain. This would benfit Hillary in 2012.

  63. Cramer LOVES Hillary. The man is not stupid.

  64. wmcb: you’re right – it is the best I’ve seen on his Jello-ness

  65. I think this hits the nail on the head. The Dems ARE “elitist” in the sense of thinking themselves superior, intellectually, culturally, socially, than regular working people.

    Republicans seem to be more comfortable with working people. I don’t really know why this is.

    I think of Al Gore eating the corn husk tamale wrapper, or John Kerry not knowing how to eat a Philly cheesesteak. It gives the impression that they only eat in fancy restaurants.

    It is one of the main reasons Democrats lose. They are looking down at half of their own voters, or at least seem very out of touch.

    Obama’s comment about the price of arugula reminded me of Mike Dukakis comment about Belgian endive (he suggested that wheat farmers in the Midwest switch to growing Belgian endive).

    Obama is not JFK. He is Mike Dukakis.

  66. can anybody explain to me why oil is dropping like a rock??
    I’ve had people explain to me why oil prices are going to continue to rise and rise and the end of the world is near because of china and india and everybody else’s growth and now what?

    Have China and INdia stopped growing? or maybe just maybe the price of oil is or was subjected to intense speculation by the same types that took down several major investment banks in wall street?? So my theory is that since those guys are otherwise occupied, oil will continue falling until it gets to its actual price, whatever that is who knows??

  67. Joaniebone and Riverdaughter,

    As a Minnesota voter and a feminist, I do not want Al Franken to represent me in the Senate.

    In early June, right after NARAL caved in and endorsed Obama, Planned Parenthood criticized Franken’s “Porn-O-Rama” article for Playboy (2000), in which he is serviced by women trained at the “Minnesota Institute of Titology.”

    According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Franken was quoted in a 1995 New York magazine piece brainstorming a comedy skit for Saturday Night Live that involved drugging and raping former CBS reporter Leslie Stahl and raping CBS reporter Mike Wallace.

    Also in the Star Tribune, commentator Michael Gerson reports that Franken told the Feminist Majority Foundation in 1999, “Why don’t we focus on what Afghan women can do? They can cook, bear children and pray. As I recall, that was fine for our grandmothers.”

    Very funny, Al.

    If he ever supported Hillary or even had anything nice to say about her, I haven’t run across it.

    When I first commented about Al Franken on this site, Bostonboomer replied, “Someone needs to do a psychological study of the women who support this unqualified, misogynistic, loser.” She was right.

  68. Morning all!! What a great post, RD. Makes me feel better every time I check in here.

    I have been worried lately that Obama’s new focus on econ. issues would drive his numbers up, especially with the Wall Street melt down. However, now I think the fervor that his supporters are goin after Palin dirt in Alaska may counter that. Most people (dems anyway) have got to be thinking—–they wouldn’t investigate 8 years of Bush crap, but they are going after Palin for small time stuff!! Makes no sense. Obama won’t stop them-in fact, eggs it on–ego prob. no crap. Plus the timing of the Babs event last night is going to feed into the elitist theme.

    btw, did ya’ll see the McCain singing to Babs video on Noquarter–I’m still laughing.

  69. McCain singing was hilarious. He reminded me of that guy from American Idol who couldn’t sing but got a record deal anyway because his voice was so funny.

  70. I guess that is really him singing—just sounds like it could have been doctored up. I wonder when it was done. He really is funny and the cover of the cd reminds me of ‘what’s his name?’ Short term memory shot. You know the short Afro haired guy that is so hyper.

  71. jonas8 – The speculators were mostly driving the cost up; the platforms in danger of the hurricanes were not damaged for the most part; value of the dollar has gained strength; and demand has been significantly less.

  72. kc,
    Richard Simmons?

  73. I am missing something here, aren’t working class and people who shop at Wal-Mart, the backbone of our society? Are there more elites now than working class? I am totally freaking lost, how can a candidate win by only attracting a certain demographic? And if this is true, does that mean that Obama will toss the very demographic he aimed for, black working class, not under the bus, but over a damn cliff?

  74. I have been pondering the craziness of BO’s team believing that women would vote for him because they had no where else to go.

    It seems to me that the messages BO’s team are sending women is “you are doing the right (smart ) thing if you vote for women’s issues that BO thinks should matter to women, but you are doing wrong (stupid) thing if you vote for an issue that MANY WOMEN feel very strongly about: breaking the glass ceiling.”

    To think that he knows what is important to women this election cycle shows incredibly poor judgement on BO’s part.

    NObama, NOvember

  75. I’ve seen the hockey mom vid a couple of times now and it looks like a spoof to me. Or was that what everyone was saying? Maybe, I haven’t had enough coffee yet.

    As for Hillary bailing on the anti-Iran rally, I’m not sure what to make of that. It comes across as sort of petty on her part (which breaks my heart). Anyone have any perspective on this?

  76. What is amazing to me is looking at those red states where BZero essentially captured the illusive 100 delegate lead in February over Hillary with everyone and their dogs calling for Hillary to quit. Two that are examples of what Hillary said and what so many of us have said, it was all facade and artifice — take for instance ID at 68-25 and WY at 66-28.

    Nothing BZero prognosticated during the primaries has come to pass. Go figure…

  77. Carolyn Mann, on September 17th, 2008 at 11:56 am Said:

    As for Hillary bailing on the anti-Iran rally, I’m not sure what to make of that. It comes across as sort of petty on her part (which breaks my heart). Anyone have any perspective on this?
    ——-

    Please explain to me why you think it is petty because I certainly do not see it like that?

  78. Al Franken belongs to the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party. What is that? His positions seem very progressive though respect for women is definitely lacking. Doesn’t look like he supports any candidate other than himself. I have enjoyed his books especially “Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat Idiot” and “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them”.

  79. Carolyn, the Obot fratboys would love to see a “cat fight” and so I’m sure that was behind getting both Palin and Hill there at the same time – I think both Sarah and Hill are too smart to play that game for the boyz pleasure.

  80. Downticket,

    It looked to me like the organizers were trying to put on a united, nonpartisan event — Americans united against this Iranian loon, no matter what party. For Hillary to bail just because Palin was also invited comes off as petty to me on first bloom, very partisan on her part. But perhaps I’m missing the nuances here. That’s why I’m asking for feedback, to help me understand it. After all, Bill is putting on a nonpartisan event with both McCain and O on the speaker list. How is this different? I’m truly confused.

  81. I had to get away from the tv. Not feeling well, and suffering with a beaut of a headache, I am unable to even read. So I am laying on the couch flicking the remote. Good grief!

    If you tune in MSNBC it is an all day Obama rally. If you tune into Fox, the same for McCain. CNN, forget about it. They are interviewing the morons who chose to say in Galveston and are now whining that they were almost swept away. Please. Those warnings were out for days.

    The commercial channels are no better. Game shows, Regis and Kelly, The View, soaps, infomercials. A total waste of 24 hours.

    If anyone questions the dumbing down of America, one need only to turn on daytime tv. It has done nothing to cure my ills. Awful stuff.

  82. HRC and the anti-Iran rally. I speculate that HRC’s motives are one of the following. 1. Appearing with Palin (and given the mutual interest each stirs up no way that they could avoid some proximity) could undermine her message of support for Obama. 2. If she has ambitions to be Sen. Majority Leader, she can not p0 the party. I think she does and I think this is what she told O she wanted when they had their sit down at Feinsteins. 3. She was asked by the party and O campaign to cancel and she complied.

  83. Oil has also dropped due to the general turmoil in the stock market.

    Where is the story of Hillary cancelling?

  84. Gosh Pat – there’s got to be an old movie to soothe your soul and head – keep looking you’ll find one

  85. Joanelle,

    This probably explains my confusion. I’m not familiar with the groups organizing this event. Wasn’t aware that the organizers are Obot fratboys. Hill advisor’s comments about not realizing it was a partisan event actually made me wonder if the opposite was true — if maybe they are McCain supporters instead.

  86. Pat: So glad to have you back with us and sorry to hear about your booming headache. Would some cheez-its and ice cream help?

  87. Pat, when I feel like that, I always put in Breakfast at Tiffany’s, there is no one like Holly Golightly when you get a case of the “mean reds”.

  88. Jangles; I have been existing on soup and crackers and a cup of tea. Hopefully I lost a few lbs! But this knocked me off my feet. Tomorrow should be better.

  89. Kim: Funny you should mention that. I was just going to go look through my collection for diversion and Tiffany is one of those. Sounds good!

  90. Carolyn Mann – the organizers were looking for publicity and therefore used Hillary. They didn’t tell her that Palin was also invited. If they wanted a united, nonpartisan event, why didn’t they invite any of the men why Hillary and Palin knowingly that the media is looking for a cat fight. They just wanted to use Hillary

  91. Pat-I watch c-span during the day. They have interesting guests on Washington Journal in the morning with call-ins. In the afternoon, you can watch either the Senate or the House and see what they’re spending our tax dollars on. For news, I watch Headline News with no pundits. I can’t stand those daytime gabfests either.

  92. Oh, Joan, when I am sick, I can not watch political events, especially with things the way they are, makes me even sicker.

  93. Pat, I think I can recite the words to Breakfast at Tiffany’s and Marnie, verbatim.

  94. today mcCain and Palin will host a town hall meeting at 7pm
    I’m looking forward tosee if Palin makes sense answering voters questions

    she then has a sit down with hannity at 9pm

  95. thanks for the comments on the oil price

    btw just heard that cnn will post new state polls at 4pm today

  96. Downticket,

    OK, I’ll buy that this may have been the organizer’s intent and perhaps, as Jangles suggested, the O campaign asked Hill not to attend. Still, it seems to me that there are times when Americans should be ready to put aside partisan differences in the interest of the country, and that an anti-Iran rally could have been used as one of those events: An opportunity to speak out against Iran’s destabilization of the Mideast, without having to stray into partisan bickering or cat fights. Hill’s talented enough to have done this.

    But then, as I’ve said before, I will grant that I don’t understand the nuances at play here.

  97. Oil Markets: I do a little trading in that market and I rely on a couple of brainiac friends who seem to understand it (because I don’t). But they have always told me that in terms of market forces supply and demand economics, the real price of crude is definitely under $100 per barrel and probably in the 60-75 range. However, that has been torqued by two other big factors: the geo-political scene with its middle east uncertainty, Putin’s ambitions for Russian hegemony in oil and gas in Europe. The second big factor is the drop in the price of the $ in terms of major world currencies. Oil is sold globally in $s and as the $ has tanked re: the Euro and China/India currencies the $ price has skyrocketed. With the $ gaining some and the Euro going down, that impacts the $ price. The final factor is global speculation tied to all of the above. Putin was definitely on a course to try to get oil and gas valued in the new Ruble and to cement agreements with Iran on pipelines. That ties into his Ossetia putsch. With the downturn in consumer spending in the US and our weakening economy of course all global markets are feeling the effects. Also, some of the financial sub prime stuff has fall out in major European banks and financial institutions who are just as greedy and reckless as their US counterparts. There was a big drop in the Ruble the other day. So you have a lot of speculators in energy who also speculate in the broader market jumping to cover their a’s with anything of value they have left; covering their short positions etc. Quite a rumble.

    Prices at the pump are related to these trades but since gas price is about the refinery price and we have a big interruption in refining in the gulf area (Houston in particular) the price at the pump is going to trail behind the price of crude.

  98. Oil post script: The other thing that is happening (which you may not like to hear) but the talk of drilling and energy independence in the US does have an effect in pushing oil prices down. Also, the success of the US and Iraq in quelling violence has led to Iraq becoming a real oil producer again. Obama derides that 80 billion $ Iraqi surplus but that reflects some of the new weight of Iraq on global markets. all imho

  99. I don’t think it was petty of HRC in any way in not attending the rally. Its pretty obvious the organizers were not upfront with the fact that Palin was invited too. I am sure HRC knew that the media would use this as one more excuse to sensationalize some imagined rivalry ( the whole “catfight” meme ) .I think her bowing out shows a lot of smarts !

  100. right stuff jangles
    and I agree completely with what you said:
    “the talk of drilling and energy independence in the US does have an effect in pushing oil prices down.”

    I see it this way, is there any other country in the world that would not drill in its backyard if oil was found there??? No, No and No

    so why shouldnt the US take advantege of what it has lying under its soil and ocean. Do it under strict environmental protection and get as much as possible from the drilling

    then provide funds for research in alternative energy but let the market function to select the best way to proceed

  101. I agree. I think she was just trying to be gracious, and not cause a commotion. actually her deference to the candidate is quite classy imo.

  102. Joan,

    The official name of the Democratic Party in Minnesota is “Democrat-Farmer-Labor” or DFL, reflecting its coalition roots. I have always voted DFL and have no problem with the party as such.

    Franken may well be progressive on other issues, but this is the problem we are seeing all over the country this election cycle: leftish men who hold the right positions EXCEPT when it comes to women.

  103. Hillary not attending rally——sometimes there are groups co-sponsoring (or whatever) that a politician can’t be seen within a mile of. Don’t know about this one—-but I have seen some on c-span.

  104. anyway, there was a Wapo piece out after the primaries that said a friend of Hill’s said she didn’t want anyone to be able to say that a loss for BO was her fault. Not that anything will stop them–

  105. What I find interesting –both McCain and Palin are nonplussed about attending ANY event whether or not Barack, Biden or even Hillary are scheduled there as well. To me it shows they are more concerned with the country before their party. Radilcal Islam is our number one security threat , no matter how it played in the “media” I think she should have attended, there was probably a way to schedule appearances so that their paths wouldn’t even remotely cross. Why aren’t the Republicans worried about Palin being at a function with Hillary ??

  106. I read an Obama blogger last week who said he wished the general election could be a caucus.

  107. Pat Johnson
    I hope you feel better.
    If I lived closer I would bring you some Chicken soup.
    Hurry and get well.
    Maybe Carol will let Eddie bring some soup.

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  108. thank you Frostback–yes, Richard Simmons

    Pat J.-hope you feel better soon. Nothing but pablum on the tv—-I always re-view my favorite–Lawrence of Arabia—–love that movie.

  109. Julie, I was listening to some radio station from Burlington the other day that is Obama central, and they were saying that if the repubs were going to claim that the Obama lipstick comment was about Palin, that they were hypocrites because of the Dole commercial with the yappy dog. they said that dole was implying that hagan was a “b#tch”. Of course it was two men discussing it. Love how the discussion of sexism always falls to the good old boys to sort out..

    Oh, please! You know, I’ve been female all my life (no, seriously!) and the yappy dog/#$@%tch reference would never have occurred to me.

    Jmac – I’m sure the Obamabots would LOVE to turn the election into a caucus! That’s the only way they can guarantee a victory.

  110. Prolix, on September 17th, 2008 at 11:58 am Said:
    “What is amazing to me is looking at those red states where BZero essentially captured the illusive 100 delegate lead in February over Hillary … take for instance ID at 68-25 and WY at 66-28.”

    I think it was documented that these caucuses were dominated by young college-aged Obots. A lot of the Hillary supporters are farmers and ranchers who live in rural areas. They had problems getting to the caucuses or just couldn’t take time away from their farms.

    Obama will NEVER win Idaho – it is the reddest state in the country. Wyoming is Dick Cheney’s home state. No chance for Obama there.

  111. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gu2bf-i7LCP2tomJRWh6aRDSsK5wD938L0U00

    Clinton fundraiser backs McCain over Obama
    By ANN SANNER – 51 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A top Hillary Rodham Clinton fundraiser threw her support behind Republican John McCain on Wednesday, saying he will lead the country in a centrist fashion and accusing the Democrats of becoming too extreme.

    “I believe that Barack Obama, with MoveOn.org and Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean, has taken the Democratic Party — and they will continue to — too far to the left,” Lynn Forester de Rothschild said. “I’m not comfortable there.”

    Rothschild is also a member of the Democratic National Committee’s Platform Committee. She said she would be stepping down from her position on the committee but will not switch political parties.

    She praised McCain for working with Democrats to pass legislation and for standing up to President Bush on the Iraq war.

    “I just ask, who has Barack Obama ever stood up to? And that troubles me a lot,” she said.

    Rothschild also disputed Obama’s argument that a McCain administration would be an extension of Bush’s presidency. Democrats cite McCain’s own account of having voted in support of Bush’s policies 90 percent of the time.

    She said the Arizona senator has broken with Bush to support funding for stem-cell research and to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

    “It is the classic cheap shot. Just not true,” she said.

    Rothschild said she was also excited by the prospect of a woman being in the White House, even though she and Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin disagree on issues. The Alaska governor opposes abortion except in the case of a threat to the mother’s life. Rothschild said she supports abortion rights.

    “I believe that the McCain-Palin government will be a centrist government,” Rothschild said. “It’s not going to be an ideological government.”

    Rothschild is a member of the DNC’s Democrats Abroad chapter and splits her time living in London and New York. She was one of Clinton’s top fundraisers, bringing in more than $100,000 for her presidential campaign. She built a multimillion-dollar telecommunications company before marrying international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild.

    Rothschild said she has not discussed her support for McCain with Clinton.

    “I’m sure she is not pleased with what I’m doing today,” she said. “But you know what? I have to do what I believe in.”

    McCain-Palin ’08
    Hillary ’12

    PUMA!!

  112. I’d love to donate to a local (Nebraska) down-ticket dem, but Jim Esch is a worm, and I’m not sold on Scott Kleeb. Maybe I should look outside of the state.

  113. Unity Party is self-hating Democrats and self-hating feminists.

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