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You don’t have to be stupid to be ignorant.

minervaSteven, a friend who is ex-military, and a heavy equipment mechanic, said to me this morning at breakfast,

“You don’t have to be stupid to be ignorant.”

Booman’s slight of dakinkat is a case in point.

Booman is not stupid. myiq notes that Booman can be sharp, but Booman is about as sharp as a bag of oranges on this issue.

If he was only embarassing himself with his naive assertion about the incorruptibility of ACORN and each and every one of its staffers, then I wouldn’t feel any need to comment, especially because I don’t doubt that the vast majority of ACORN personnel are well-intentioned people doing good works. He chose to use his ignorance as a tool to drag others in the mud, however, so he must be called to account.

Once again, it is a simple matter to demonstrate the intellectual and moral inadequacy of a Booman commentator by simply weighing his case against dakinikat. He makes the salacious claims, so the burden of proof falls on him. Please read dakinikat’s post and read his response to her post, especially the comments section.

Unraveling the Greed

Wells Fargo and Acorn

dakinikat ties the facts of the Wells Fargo case to the local history in her home district in New Orleans. Jacobson, in the NYT article, says that Wells Fargo targetted black churches to use their influence as a means of getting their parishoners to take out subprime loans with Wells Fargo. dakinikat relates this data with the meetings with subprime lenders that took place in churches by her home, seminars that tended to be sponsored by ACORN. That they sponsored the seminars does not mean that they knowingly worked against the best interests of the community. dakinikat also notes that ACORN is a bag organization in New Orleans (hardly a surprise, such things are common for both parties). She further notes that convictions of public officials on non-profits (not ACORN representatives) are a matter of public record.

Booman states that dakinikat is not telling the truth on the basis that her data does not conform with his experiences in Philadephia. Further, he rejects the claims of the ACORN 8 as right wing talking points.

The status of the claims of the ACORN 8 are open. Booman appears certain that they have no merit. He might be right. ACORN employees have been convicted and indicted, however, which suggests that complaints against ACORN can be more than right wing talking points, despite Booman’s idealizations. Perhaps they faced Republican judges.

It is worth noting that the head of ACORN is right when he notes that the number of cases against ACORN, and the number of convictions that have stemmed therefrom, are relatively small when one considers at the size of the organization. It is also important, as noted earlier, to not judge the many by the conduct of the few.

Booman appears comfortable with judging the conduct of the many by the conduct of the few. In doing so, he is employing the logical fallacy of generalizing from the particular. Then, on the basis of this fallacy, he proceeds to insult someone who is using her training to fight for the very same lending practises that he lauds ACORN for promoting.

For Booman to be right, we have to accept his assertion that ACORN and its employees are incorruptible, that their behavior is lock-step across each and every community that they operate in, that the ACORN sponsored church events with home loan lenders in dakinikat’s home district were not of the type propagated by Wells Fargo, and that the finance student who is working to fight against lending practises that exploit the poor is a liar and an agent for the Republican agenda.

ACORN employees have proven to be corruptible. dakinikat’s conference presentations are peer-reviewed, so they pass the truth test. In these publications she’s argued for regulation of said industries, which means she is arguing against the Republican agenda. It’s not unreasonable to assume that at least one of the home lending meetings involved a subprime mortgage lender. The only point that remains in Booman’s favor is the question of the role of ACORN in these loan meetings. It can be quickly dismissed, if we accept that ACORN would have worked with the lenders that offered the best deals for their constituents, even if these were necessarily subprime. They are, after all, only human.

Booman’s case fails on the balance of probabilities. His assertions about ACORN’s purity are empirically false, practically naive, and only have their force via a logical fallacy. His accusation about the talking points is non-sensical, given her academic presentations. That these claims found his assertion that she is not to be trusted, indicate that his judgment about her truthfulness and intellectual adequacy is not trustworthy. His wrongness about her truthfulness does not make him a liar, but that he dirties her name based on such a pathetic claim means he is a scoundrel.

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A Safe Refuge and Open Thread

In honor of Mawm and Gary’s PUMA Vacation:*

I want to add my welcome to our visitors. And share some of the ground rules.

The most important thing to know is that The Confluence is a refuge for PUMAs and Hillary supporters. It was created by Riverdaughter in the wake of the abuse we received at our former blog-homes. And the administrators of The Confluence have always kept that concept of A Refuge in mind when we review the comments posted to this site.

The rule (if there is one) is pretty simple. If it makes us (or our friends) uncomfortable or unhappy we delete it. Obama supporters: We’re not here to “Inform” you. Or “Help you understand.” We might keep your comment if it’s amusing or if we want to play with you for a while. But, if you bore us? You’re gone. Without a trace. And we won’t apologize.

I want to repeat my welcome to PUMAs near and far. I love this place that Riverdaughter made and I hope you come to love it too.

* Photos take in Kansas City, Kansas at midnight last night.  I just talked to Gary and the PUMA mobile is now a little west of Manhattan, KS.  They haven’t got a generator so they only have Internet access when they stop for breaks.

Sunday, crying in the wilderness

Our fearless leader, riverdaughter, is on vacation this week so it’s up to us to pretend that nothing is wrong.  We can do this alone.  Everything will be OK. She has complete confidence in our ability to keep everyone informed and amused while not totally trashing the place.

Riiiight.

Riverdaughter makes it look so easy.  Penetrating insight first thing Every-Single-Morning — she hasn’t taken a full day off in months (if ever.) With one of her first posts (copied here in full) she set the tone for The Confluence showing that she was not just messing around with a vanity blog:

Hillary Cheats in SC by using her gender, Obama camp claims.

Nathor-Nile River GoddessObama’s camp is pre-emptively accusing the Clinton campaign of using Hillary’s gender as an incentive to females to vote for her.

“It’s totally unfair of Senator Clinton to exploit her gender. It put Obama at a disadvantage in South Carolina due to his penis. That is why he lost next week.”, David Axelrod said in advance of Clinton’s victory. When it was pointed out that the Democratic South Carolina primary hasn’t occured yet, Mr. Axelrod responded, “Exactly. This is why we are wasting no time in filing our complaint with the South Carolina Democratic party in advance. This kind of political scheming on the part of Senator Clinton can not stand.”

The Obama campaign has filed complaints in all of the states where the primary or caucus process has resulted in a win for Senator Clinton. They have declined to pursue charges in Iowa even though Axelrod asserts that, in retrospect it is clear that Clinton deliberately lost in order to lull the Obama camp into a false sense of security.

“They are master political schemers. Everybody says so”, Axelrod continued. “Chris Matthews has been following their dirty tricks for years. But I never expected that she would deliberately appeal to females in order to eek out her win next week. She’s crossed the line this time. We intend to file charges of cheating in all of the other states, starting with her wins in NY, NJ and CA on SuperDuperTuesday. “

Axelrod pointed to the fact that Obama had completely sewn up the African-American vote by taking the high road in his accusations of racism against Clinton’s organization. It was a forgone conclusion that Obama would assume the mantle of the most disadvantaged candidate in this campaign. But the polls started to turn in Clinton’s favor when a viral distribution of one of John Lennon’s and Yoko Ono’s songs from the seventies took the internet by storm.

“She’s already got a former president’s support, years of service and she talks like a policy wonk “, said Axelrod, frustrated. “She should stop using her gender to put herself so far ahead and learn to pack a lunch like the rest of us.”

And right from the beginning comments at The Confluence kept up with her:

oldpro, on January 22nd, 2008 at 9:50 am Said:
Heh heh heh….and Hillary’s response…

“Shut up!” she explained.

(shaking my head)

And so it was that riverdaughter’s The Confluence escorted us through all the ups and downs of this incredible primary season.  I think it’s very possible that she was a P.U.M.A. before PUMAs were cool:

To BiPM and William f Harrison
…. I could never compete with the Great Orange Satan but that doesn’t mean that I have to STFU simply because the Obamaphiles have closed me down on DKos. William f Harrison also has places to go. We’re like water. We seek the path of least resistance. We’re out here. We’re not lurking like we used to and we’re putting our efforts into pulling the party together from the outside. ….. (emphasis mine)

Let’s not focus on missing riverdaughter: this thread is a celebration of the site built by Riverdaughter. Let’s share our favorite posts. AND I’d personally love it if we shared our own first comments — and a bit from the posts that inspired them.