I love change. We all are for change. But the question is, examine the record of those that in the past produced change. The 1990’s were a decade of peace and prosperity because of the competent and enlightened leadership of the Clinton administration, but experience IS a leper. Obama’s plan is inadequate and does not end the war, but he has the judgment and courage we need in a commander in chief. My affection and admiration for Hillary Clinton and President Bill Clinton will never waver, but the American people are not going to elect someone who isn’t seen as honest and trustworthy. We all know the real culprit — the disastrous economic policies of the Bush Administration, but will she finally admit to workers that she was one of the chief proponents of NAFTA? To rise above our racially divided past, I UNITE HERE with those who claim Hillary no respeta a nuestra gente.
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I posted this in the other thread, but Richardson’s endorsement is too late and not remotely big enough to affect much of anything. I like Bill, bit c’mon. He was a blip on the field this cycle.
Wow, just flipped to the cnn ticker for this…
(CNN) — The Obama campaign launched some of its sharpest attacks to date on Hillary Clinton’s candidacy Friday, telling reporters on a conference call that the New York senator is a dishonest politician who has consistently misled voters.
Referencing a new Gallup Poll suggesting 53 percent of Americans don’t view Clinton as trustworthy, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said Clinton would be a “deeply flawed nominee,” and suggested it would be “nearly impossible” for her to win a general election.”She is not seen as trustworthy by the American people,” Plouffe said. “She has consistently in this campaign engaged in political calculation to mislead voters….It will nearly be impossible to win a general election if more than half the electorate thinks you’re untrustworthy.”
That sound you heard was the Kitchen Sink missing its target and landing with a thud.
I so like the politics of transcendent Hope™ and Change™.
Funny how ever since Axelrod and Plouffe said Hillary was going to throw the Kitchen Sink℠ at Obama, they’ve been the ones doing all the throwing (as the do-do rises around them).
Ronk–yu rawk!
Your subtitles to the remarks really underline how negative this speech is–and again under the radar.
Now seen in sharp outlines and details through your work.
Thanks. and WOW!
Clinton leads Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, 51% to 35% — increasing her lead from February, when she was up 44% to 37%. She leads among young voters, wealthier voters…voters in virtually every demographic group, with the exceptions of Philly voters and non-whites.
In a sign of just how divisive and ugly the Democratic fight has gotten, only 53% of Clinton voters say they’ll vote for Obama should he become the nominee. Nineteen percent say they’ll go for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and 13% say they won’t vote.
Sixty percent of Obama voters say they’ll go for Clinton should she win the nomination, with 20% opting for McCain, and three percent saying they won’t vote. Grim.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/keystone-democr.html
SInce Richardson certainly does know Spanish, his use of the “no respeta” is plain ugly.
What is he thinking?
Yuck. And to think that at one time I was incredibly impressed with Richardson’s diplomatic skills!
Marco: LOL! Did any of the voters in MI and FL see the irony in this statement: “.It will nearly be impossible to win a general election if more than half the electorate thinks you’re untrustworthy.”?
3/21/2008 11:57:27 AM
At the outset of the campaign, Sen. Obama pledged that his campaign would not attempt to “tear people down personally.” This morning the Obama campaign released a strikingly negative memo attacking Hillary’s character and asserting that Hillary “has consistently made political calculations to deliberately mislead the American people.”
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6664
Bringing out the Christians on God Friday?
Hello,
A staunch John Edwards supporter, I’m now trending very much towards Senator Clinton.
As a black American, I’ve found my support seems to suprise, and upset, quite a few – that it’s not in lock-step with Obama. However, this has never flustered me in the least.
And quite frankly, it’s getting to the point that his campaign has SO turned me off that I don’t know that I’d even vote for him in the GE. That’s becoming a larger problem for me with each passing day. Disingenuous, arrogant and entitled are just a few words I’ve come to identify with the Illinois Senator.
If he’s the Dem. nominee, “history” and “change” may have to make do without my vote. Just. Don’t. See. It.
Btw – fantastic site you guys have upstarted. Kudos “riverdaughters”, “katiebird” et al. Keep up the great work! 🙂
Somewhere I saw a post about the Obama “no respeta” ad series–the use of “shameless” to describe Hillary was considered well beyond the pale as it had a very expicit sexually wanton meaning, particulary for older Spanish speakers. Commenters noted that even young Spanish speakers said they might use the term but never around their elders or about any woman worthy of a modicum of respect.
Now, where or where did I see that? I thought we would not go back to that topic, since it seemed so over the top. And, now, Richardson brings it up again!
What is with the men in Obama’s campaign? Sexism and dirty tactics central>
Anyone else see that post and series of comments?
Edwardian: Welcome to The Confluence! You may also be interested in EENR Progressive Blog They are former Edwards Kossacks who have a pretty nice site.
edwardian–I took the same path as you. Edwards had me at the words “universal healthcare” and then I was so impressed with his announcement in NOLA. And it got so little decent MCM (Mainstream Corporate Media) coverage. I felt he would work to balance the tilt in this nation toward Big Business and the Uberwealthy. Alas….
With him gone, Hillary seemed to bestrongest on the issues I care about–but I realize she will need to be bolstered when she does the right stuff and continually reminded if she doesn’t. No one is going to be our perfect candidate. But I do believe she will be the best of the lot remaining.
The MCM worked overtime to make Edwards unelectable–Hair, House, Hedge = Hypocrisy. When, of course, their attacks were the height (depth?) of hypocrisy.
riverdaughter: Thanks! I’ve visited EENR and yes, it’s been a great place to continue supporting and voice those issues dearest to us.
Richardson told Wolf Blitzer that superdelegates should vote in accordance with the people they represent.
I guess Obama made him a better offer than the people of New Mexico who voted for Hillary
I think Clinton and her supporters have to be more zen and focus on each contest one at a time, Pennsylvania, then IN and NC etc. The media is starting the Hillary drop out drumbeat again and it will take a Pennsylvania victory to shut them up again.
jawbone: “The MCM worked overtime to make Edwards unelectable–Hair, House, Hedge = Hypocrisy. When, of course, their attacks were the height (depth?) of hypocrisy.”
EXACTLY! At this point, I can only SMH in disgust of what is left of so-called “journalism”.
Welcome Edwardian and thanks for another good link, riverdaughter. I am new here as well – not that this site is old – and I can’t tell you what a relief it is to find sites that don’t criminalize liking Hillary Clinton.
I share some of the feelings Edwardian has. I was particularly irked last night watching Obama on Larry King. Barack discussed past presidents and veered off to praised George Bush Sr. and President Ronnie in a plea to viewers declaring he will bring parties together. He carefully omitted any mention of a certain 8 years of unprecedented peace and prosperity under a popular recent Democratic President.
Yet Hillary mentions the fact that she and McCain have lots of experience and Keith Olbermann lobs a nasty Special Comment at her and progressive blogs deliberately smear her.
Obama can praise Reagan and Bush I and seemingly any other Republican while acting as if the 1990s never happened and he didn’t benefit in any way through those years. Insulting and aggravating to say the least. What an insult to all Democratic voters with memories longer than that of a chicken.
Sorry, but I really can’t believe why people are still supporting a canidate, who send our troops to a country, which didn’t had connections with terrorists and Al Qaida, which didn’t had weapons (like Bush and HRC said in front of the Senate), a canidate, who called NAFTA a “success” and that it “has prooved its worth”, who is NOT democratic (in Iowa, the Clinton campaign wanted to suppress the votes of students, in Nevada the Clinton campaign shut the doors for the caucus 30 minutes earlier…), who supported to take on a war against Iran (vote in the US Senate in August 07), who didn’t stand for change at first, but now after Obama had success she just copied it.
She is a great politican, I mean, she just copied speeches from Sen. Edwards and from her husband (CNN debate in Texas). She supported a war, which costs our economy millions and millions of dollars.
But hey, when I look at all the exit-polls… Clinton got many (a lot more than Obama) votes from people, with a lower IQ. (Am I reading too much into this?)
If you really want that our country “is going to be fine”, if you really want a better environement, if you really want our troops back home, if you really want to prevent another war, if you really want to heal this nation and this world, then there is only one choice and his name starts with B. 😉
By the way, Clinton endorsed (more or less) John McCain, a few weeks again, claiming how great John McCain is and how much he has done for America (yeah he wants that we stay in Iraq 100 years).
If Clinton gets the nomination (which is very unlikely to believe, sorry), I will definitely NOT vote for her. I will encouring everyone I know to not participate in this election, cause if we have John McCain against Hillary Clinton, America WON’T be fine and even before November,we will know that we are the biggest LOSERS.
To clarify — “no respeta” is from the ad UNITE HERE ran for Obama in the Nevada caucus campaign.
John Edwards, btw, forcefully denounced the ad.
Howdy, Marco! Greetings from Texas! 🙂
My message do the Democratic Party:
I know the story of this election has been about all those new supporters Obama is bring to the fold. The media and the “progressive” Big Blogz have told us that thank to Obama, we Dems will build new coalition. Be very careful:
Hillary Clinton has a very large, very strong core of supporters you CANNOT afford to crap on. Findings like these are happening in many states, not only in PA:
Moreover, if the nomination is just take away from Hillary because the DNC just refuse to count MI & FL because that might hurt Obama, where do you think people like *these 2 will go? And there are many, many of them and there are not only women and not only white.
(*That is by many miles my favorite video of the campaign. Keep in mind that was in SC where she taking the worst press possible)
Welcome, edwardian. Look around, you’ll find the full range of hues here in the refuge. It’s not always apparent from their writings, but there are quite a few here who “feel your pain”.
anunlovedone: I think this might be your last comment on our blog.
First of all, how did you feel about supporting John Kerry in 2004? And since Obama didn’t vote, how is it you give him a check + in this column? Nevermind. We’ve been beating our heads over this issue with Obama supporters for months now with no progress. Which leads me to my next question. How did you leap to the conclusion that Clintonistas have lower IQs? To be honest, you may be right about this. I have no idea what my IQ is. Nevertheless, I’ll bet I’m smarter than you. For instance, I don’t think I would have said half as many of the dumb things in your comment that you have said. Especially not in a board that seems to attract a lot of anomalous Clinton people who for some weird reason can think and write, sometimes simultaneously.
Well, enjoy your brief visit.
Clinton endorsed (more or less) John McCain
I have read this so many times on so-called “progressive” blogs. what kills me is, it’s always “Clinton basically endorsed,” “Clinton essentially endorsed,” and now “more or less..” Good luck misleading more people with that.
I think this is what is called “truthiness”?
Clinton got many (a lot more than Obama) votes from people, with a lower IQ. (Am I reading too much into this?)
Ya think? No matter how many times Obama supporters complain about “low information voters” and use other quasi insulting/condescending language.. undemocratic caucuses aside, each one of the votes for Hillary counts just as much as each one of the special, smarter, more enlightened votes for Obama. So.. well, toughski shitski.
Hi everybody,
I’m so grateful to find this site as there are so many inhospitable sites for Hillary supporters in the blogospere. Thanks Riverdaughter for creating it!
I have been so disheartened by the Obama campaign and the intolerance of so many of his supporters. It’s good to find a place with some like-minded folks who won’t personally attack you if you don’t think Obama is the second coming!
Bill Richardson is so disappointing. Any word on whether Edwards will in fact endorse our gal before the NC primary?
anunlovedone, on March 21st, 2008 at 2:30 pm Said:
“lower IQs”
Gee anun, I don’t think that Hillary supporters are going to stop saying, “We can no more disown Hillary, as we could our typical white grandmothers.”
Sincerely,
“cigar chomping CRACKER” as per Jeremiah Wright, 20 year-long pastor of Obama’s hatefully divisive church.
have a nice GE!
oh noes! Obama peeps says Hillary no tell trueff!
Getting kinda silly.
And the latest “Obama” surrogate compares Hillary’s prowess to Mamie Eisenhower. Wow. Just wow.
anunlovedone, I can’t believe people are still supporting a candidate who keeps changing the donation total he received from a supporter indicted on federal charges every single week he’s asked how much he received, a candidate who won’t come clean on ties to said indicted supporter, a candidate who says he was always against the war in Iraq when his past statements on the war totally betray his current stance, a candidate who says we must overcome racial divisions but lets his surrogates smear two Democrats with sterling civil rights records as racists, a candidate who tells Canada he’s not serious about NAFTA while he’s telling his supporters something totally different, a candidate who clears his opponent of any wrongdoing in releasing benign pictures of him wearing African garb then attacks her for it days later – siding with Drudge in the process, a candidate who will be for all Americans except for Florida and Michigan, a candidate who pretends the 1990s never happened and Reagan Republicans were the party of big ideas, and the candidate who says his Pastor is an all right guy and then releases photos of sid Pastor in an attempt to link him to Clinton.
But what do I know? I am just a typical white person who, despite my college degree, must have a low IQ because out of two good candidates, I choose Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama, a man I voted for in 2004.
To each his own, I guess. Just remember, Hate Hillary First.
Well gee, I guess he kissed her before he uh…whatever.
Man, oh man, will there be payback if HRC is able to get the nomination and wins the general? I wonder…
[quote]Well gee, I guess he kissed her before he uh…whatever.
Man, oh man, will there be payback if HRC is able to get the nomination and wins the general? I wonder…[/quote]
Not just relishing — LIVING for that scenario. And not just to see HRC win the nomination – the presidency!
Richardson has put his food in his mouth too many times to be very creditable. Even The Great Orange Satan periodically took him to task for being a screwup.
That said he’s obviously going for VP here. Good luck.
I say that our best ticket would be Clinton/Edwards 08! and would that not put a spoke in the already disintegrating wheel of the Obama Juggernaut?
If I had to make a prediction now I’s say Obama continues to tank in the polls and the SDs come in to do their jobs and Clinton becomes our nominee. If she announced Edwards as her VP choice a polling cycle before the convention opened that would probably do it as I am quite sure polling would show the Clinton/Edwards ticket just destroying McSame in the South. Plus, Edwards could reach out to the voters of FL and MI saying, ‘One condition I made to accept this nomination was that you be represented.’
Wave buh-bye Senator ‘SnakeOIl’.
Welcome edwardian:
Many of us found refuge here, I think it is actually the raison d’être of The Confluence. Moreover you and I share the same problem (As a black American, I’ve found my support seems to suprise, and upset, quite a few – that it’s not in lock-step with Obama. However, this has never flustered me in the least.), and a similar view of Obama and the essence of his candidacy, I recommend you read Tara Roberts:
I’m Black and for Hillary.Get Over it.
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You could also check my post on his “major speech” in the previous thread and lemme know what you think.
Good to have you here!
The Obama campers have jumped out on the wrong side of the canoe twice today already — once blaming Hillary for the State Department drones poking into the Barack Star’s passport records, and again with Zbigniew Brzezinski equating Hillary Clinton to Mamie Eisenhower.
But remember, Obama wins if the prelude to Pennsylvania is nothing but flaps and gaffes.
And don’t be fooled — check out the goatee! — this is the evil BiIl Richardson from a parallel universe.
Brzezinski equating Hillary as First Lady with Mamie Eisenhower!!!
Will wonder snever cease–I never credited Brzezinski with being hyperimaginative! This comment is really outside the envelope thinking. And without much basis in fact. Ha!
riverdaughter,
I didn’t finish reading anunlovedone’s comment, because it sounded like he/she was accusing us of supporting George W. Bush.
“Sorry, but I really can’t believe why people are still supporting a canidate, who send our troops to a country, which didn’t had connections with terrorists and Al Qaida, which didn’t had weapons…”
Hi – I’m also an ex-Edwardian who is now for Hillary. I was so happy to find this blog after the Daily Kos and Air America Radio descended into madness.
I used to be someone who wanted a combined Clinton/Obama ticket. Now I just can’t stand the sight of Obama. He is one of the slimiest people that’s ever run on a Democratic ticket. How dare he try to discount millions of votes and whine about his Republican supporters not having a voice? What party does he belong to, anyway?
As for Bill Richardson, I can’t see that his support will do much to mitigate the Wright disaster, especially if Edwards endorses Clinton.
Clinton/Edwards 08 – now that would be a great combo! But I’m thinking JRE would also make an incredible Attorney General or Supreme Court Justice.
Btw, MABlue: Thanks for providing that Tara Roberts (TheRoots) piece. A terrificly-refreshing, forthright and insightful piece.
“But hey, when I look at all the exit-polls… Clinton got many (a lot more than Obama) votes from people, with a lower IQ. (Am I reading too much into this?)”
I really, really don’t want to be mean, but when you say things like this you want to proofread to make sure you’ve mastered basic spelling and grammar. That’s not a slam, it’s honest constructive criticism. Nobody is going to be impressed when someone says things like “the cananidate loosed and proofed that smaaat pupil who red vute Obama, stioopid people for Hillary.” Everybody makes typos and whatever, but if you’re slamming people’s intelligence, you have to be more careful to be taken seriously
Okay, cats and kittens, I disagree with Gov. Richardson’s endorsement, but that’s okay with me. I posted elsewhere, that should Sen. Obama win the nomination, I feel better knowing the governor is there. Why? Because he is an accomplished politician.
Yep, politician and I take that with the weight it deserves. But there are worse choices, frankly.
I don’t speak Spanish for crap, but I read on Corrente several translations of the label applied to Sen. Clinton.
No way. No. Way.
Does anyone think there may be a possibility that Latinos and Latinas may find the use of the label and Sen. Obama’s slurring of his grandmother, well…dishonorable?
And BTW, I find it dishonorable.
Beyond the usual politics.
There is now New Politics. There is no Old Politics. There’s just politics.
Tweety is essentially demanding that Clinton drop out of the race, citing the Politico. Oh wait, now he’s backpedaling. Why does this man have a television show? Why don’t I have a television show? Why don’t any number of people on this blog have a television show? Why am I watching Tweety?
It must be my Good Friday penance.
Ohio….yes, it’s dishonorable to throw your grandmother under the bus. Much of the Obama campaign has been dishonorable and smarmy, to my alarm.
Anyone capable of calling the Clintons racists has ‘transcended’ politics alright…Democratic politics. I’m no babe in the woods and I get the need for hardball but there are limits. Or should be.
Obama’s campaign could set us back for years. Yes, I’m worried for the Party and for the country…and for all it means to our world.
Hi Ron!
Richardson. Sheesh. What a wacky endorsement. And lousy timing to boot. As the kids would say, “And I go, like…who cares?!”
Of course, it’s Oregon, so…anything goes! Remember Bud Clark and his wacky “Expose Yourself to Art poster?!” Richardson should fit right in…
El que no respeta es el.
What an opportunist!!!
Shafting Hillary to bolster a self-serving loser who is on the ropes like Obama, this is not going to look good for Richardson with Hispanics who went two to one for Clinton.
But then Richardson didn’t do very well getting votes for himself, and Hillary won New Mexico AND Texas AND California.
use of the label and Sen. Obama’s slurring of his grandmother, well…dishonorable?
Absolutely.
Where are these people, by the way? They took him in, raised him, coddled him into thinking he was God’s gift to the rest of us, maybe overdid it a bit. Wonder if they are feeling used about now… too white maybe.
Welcome, oldpro! She’s an oldie and a goodie, folks.
How did you find us? And where else have you been loitering?
But speak not ill of Bud Clark … I helped make him mayor, and never regretted it.
This was Portland’s Mayor, back in the day, and here’s a bit of the story behind the exposure.
OMG Goldberry,
this is one of the funniest diaries I’ve ever read. I laughed so hard I spat on my keyboard. Thanks for this. Perfect!
Gabriele: Don’t thank me. Thank Ronk.
will someone please bring some smoked salmon for oldpro? and make sure it has a littile caper and onion.
Omigawd, I’m infamous! You remembered the smoked salmon and capers, riverdaughter! I am so impressed — or am I in the database?! At this hour, though, I’m settling for cocoa and toast with cinnamon…like grandma used to make. Yum.
So Ron!
Thanks for the welcome! I’ve been here off and on almost from the beginning…just missed touching bases with you here. Having some fun at TL with Jeralyn and BTD who says he misses you! (Well, that isn’t exactly what he said…but he remembered you when somebody brought your name up!) You wouldn’t know him these days…all civility and housebroken…although he’s snapped at Goldberry a few times lately. Jeralyn runs a tight ship!
OF COURSE I wasn’t speaking ill of Bud Clark! I love our NW colorful local characters with their quirky sides – except I draw the line at Sen. Pam Roach who has now been forbidden to communicate with caucus staff because she’s created ‘a hostile workplace atmosphere! ‘ Again!
Thanks for the “oldie and a goodie” introduction. Very sweet of you. I feel right at home.
Happy Easter Bunny weekend, everyone!
oldpri: It’s an old bartender’s trick. 😉
riverdaughter: I might have known you’d know all the tricks! But unless you’re a westcoaster or goin’ fishin’, what are you doing up at 5 am??
>>>LOL! Did any of the voters in MI and FL see the irony in this statement: “.It will nearly be impossible to win a general election if more than half the electorate thinks you’re untrustworthy.”?>>>
I dunno but I think you have underestimated this aspect of Hillary’s problems. I have seen poll after exit poll where Obama actually won and Hillary won every category but one. That one honesty/trustwothy
I mean she would rack up better versus Obama on the
Iraq
Economy
Healthcare
Commander in Chief
Shares my Values
and only lose one:
Honesty/Trustworthy
Problem is the other thing she would lose was the vote total and the delegate apportionement. I think unfortunately the years long media job on her has people convinced on what is probably the #1 reason people vote for someone (or should I say won’t vote for someone they think might actually do a better job.)
arrrrgh! not LOL sadbuttrue