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STFU and GTFO is not a cogent rebuttal

Shut the F**k up!

Shut the F**k up!

We recently have seen David M-M-M-My Sirota and former PUMA Chuckie Lemos respond to substantive arguments with personal insults and spittle-flecked rants.  There must be something in the Kool-aid these days because lots of Obama fluffers seem to be going bug-fuck nuts
You Must be Kidding Me (0.00 / 0)
There’s so much wrong with this “analysis” that it would be funny if there weren’t people that actually believed  this cr@p.  I don’t even know where to begin.  
“How 30 Years of Conservative Economics Has Stiffled Black Progress”?  For those folks that just browse titles it looks great but for those of us that actually read the entire article it’s clear that this connection is not made.  The author thinks that the Home Mortgage Interest deduction is a “subsidy”.  OMG, I’m pulling my hair out. Is all money made owned by the government and it’s a “subsidy” when they let me keep some of it?
“Clear patterns of causation”?  Are you kidding me?  No pattern of causation is demonstrated here.
I grew up on the other side of the tracks.  I joined the army for the college fund.  Used the money to get an engineering degree.  Moved to the other side of the tracks.  This oportunity was made available to EVERYONE!  Not just this poor white kid. 
by: electricchili @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 at 20:03 
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You Poor, Ignorant Ideological Nitwit… (4.00 / 1)
Until FDR restructured the mortgage market, only a modest fraction of the American people could afford to own their own home.  It was government intervention that made the modern, home-owning middle class possible in the first place.
And about 130 years earlier, it was Jefferson’s purchase of the Louisiana Territory that made the 19th-century, homestead-owning middle class possible.
Both these governmental acts of mass enrichment most certainly did create a sound moral foundation for claiming a just portion of taxes from the wealth so created. And anyone who didn’t like the deal could always emigrate to Antarctica with their own personal copy of Atlas Shrugged in tow.
This deal, however, did not extend to African Americans, who continue to be excluded in a wide variety of ways that you are simply too damn lazy and narcissistic to learn anything about.
“Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition”
by: Paul Rosenberg @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 at 20:18
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Really? (0.00 / 0)
“…wide variety of ways that you are simply too damn lazy and narcissistic to learn anything about.”
Because I’m too lazy can you please identify for me a program which African Americans are excluded by law?  (try to keep it in this century please) That’s OK, take your time.  I’ll settle for just one.  
ps.  The name calling isn’t really helping your point (not that you had one to begin with)  130 years ealier…lol   
by: electricchili @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 at 20:40
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You Really ARE A Lazy Ignorant Bastard (2.67 / 3)
 
Did I say, “excluded by law”?
No, of course not.
Stupid fucking conservative asshole.
“Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition”
by: Paul Rosenberg @ Sat Feb 21, 2009 at 20:44
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I don’t know who this “electricchili” person is but I hope there is some history between the two of them because otherwise Mr. Rosenberg needs to work on his people skills. 
Did these guys learn to debate from Ron White?
I got kicked off the high school debate team for saying “Yeah? Well FUCK you!” 
I thought I had won,  ’cause the other kid was *speechless*
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37 Responses

  1. He also could use a social skill or two if I dont say so myself….who is this rosenberg guy?

    • Hey fuzzy! One more thing — can you email theviewfromunderthebus@gmail.com and let SOD know the telephone # you will be using to call in tonight — she is running the board & she needs to know what # to pick up. Thanks!

    • angie-if you attend the PUMA Holloween Costume Party this year come as Zenia Warrior Princess seems Myiq2xu is a warrior princessaphile!

      plus I bet you would look hot in it…..

      (having hetro moment)

      well sis-in -law needs shopping buddy so I must answer the call –

      Girls what do you call a man who love to shop with his girlfriend?

      Gay

      • I prefer blood-sucking vampires.

        It’s a lawyer thing.

        • If i had said fuck you when I was on the debating team in catholic high school , I would have been kicked out of school , so I just had to think it …

          The kicked me out later anyway for being pregnant, gee I should have said it 😉

          • Swannie,

            They kicked you out for being pregnant? Was that the bad old early ’60s, or Catholic school? Even when I was still in HS, they started letting pregnant girls come to class. If they kicked the pregnant girls out, they should have done the same to the boys who got them pregnant!

          • Ooops, you said Catholic school and I missed it. Sorry, that explains it!

  2. Rosenberg wasn’t very polite to me either.

    • I think Mr rosenburg has a passive agressive personality….probably thinks his CaCa doesnt stink too!

    • No, he wasn’t. And there were others downthread who went into more detail than you did, and he wasn’t very nice to them either. The guy has a hair across his a$$.

  3. I bet elechili and Rosenburg wused to have a 1 bedroom co-op in the village and had a bad missunderstanding about the term “open relationship”…

    I would file this exchange as a He said -she said…err he said he said exchange….

    These guys were obviously in a co-dependant abusive relationship that involved alcohol…probably drugs

    but what do I know….I am just an armchair gay relationship councelor.

    • LOL!!!! you ARE on a roll today fuzzy!!!

    • If you’re gonna flame anyone who disagrees why not just ban them?

      • Myiq2xu-I agree i believe the above was abreech of blogg etiquete(sic) on the part of mr rosenburg-

        I think he also has a sado-masochist side too he likes to be the “dom” but also love to be humiliated to…

        Nothing wrong with it but he should admit his err sin!

  4. What electricchili was pointing out was the faulty analysis Rosenberg uses.

    I’m allergic to numbers so I went with the pie fight in the comments.

    • Blacks *have* been denied reasonable mortgages with redlining. And they have been discriminated against in lots of ways that aren’t enshrined in law. So have other groups like Jews and women. But Rosenberg might as well shut off the comments to his posts if he can’t at least respond to the guy’s argument.

    • I’m surprised Rosenberg doesn’t pounce on the obvious flaw with e-chili’s argument. Military service is not an option open to everyone. The US military has recruiting goals which are relatively low, and even though these days they are willing to give waivers, you still have to meet certain requirements to get in. The more candidates they get, the more they will turn away at the door, as was the case during the 1990s. So if your high school grades or test scores are not up to a certain level, you will not get in.

      Now, it would be nice if we had some *universally* available option of service available to make one eligible for the same benefits military veterans enjoy, but we are not there yet, not by a long shot.

    • I looked at the post real quick and I think that when one tries to oversimplify a subject as vast as poverty and racism it leads to faulty analysis.

      For instance there is a chart that show poor Blacks are more likely to live in poor neighborhoods than poor Whites. Well that’s because our (American) neighorhoods are segregated along racial lines more so than along income lines.

      There’s another chart that calls the mortgage interest deduction a subsidy (which it is not; it is the government using tax policy to encourage home ownershipand it is equally available to poor households providing they own a home as to middle class and wealthy households; it is also race-neutral)and compares the mortgage interest dollar amounts to the dollar amounts for public housing, section 8 and homeless assistance which are subsidies. It is a specious comparison because while there are millions of people who get section 8, homeless assistance and public housing, they are greatly outnumbered by homeowners.

      Lastly, (I admit I didn’t read the whole thing) he makes a distinction between wealth and income but doesn’t define wealth, so its hard to know how valid his “wealth” box is.

  5. He He….

    It has become one of MSNBC host Chris Matthew’s most infamous lines of the 2008 presidential election:

    “I felt this thrill going up my leg,” Matthews said the night Obama resoundingly defeated rival Hillary Clinton in the Virginia and Maryland Democratic primaries.

    And former CBS News Correspondent Bernard Goldberg, who has long alleged liberal bias in the media, highlighted that line as indicative of the media’s “slobbering” press coverage of candidate Obama during his campaign for the White House.

    “That’s not commentary, that’s a man-crush,” Goldberg declared on CNN’s Reliable Sources Sunday…

    He specifically faulted coverage of the prolonged Democratic primary campaign, during which two historic candidates contentiously squared off.

    “I think in elite liberal circles, certainly inside the media, race trumps gender, and that’s why they slobbered over Barack Obama, and took Hillary Clinton to the back room and beat her with a rubber hose,” Goldberg said…

    “I think Hillary Clinton would have been. And I think she would have been the president today,” he continued. “And in that sense, she’s the biggest loser in all of this.”

    what a racist…..

    • Well, Bernie Goldberg is right in this instance, but most of the time he’s a complete nutcase…

    • I may have to stick my head under cold water — I thought I just found myself agreeing with not one but two comments by Mr. Goldberg! The world may be about to end and it must be freezing in Hell.

      djmm

    • Goldberg actually got something right.

      Oh well, a stopped clock is right twice a day. :mrgreen:

  6. I dunno…Rosenberg went off the rails with the invective in his reply but I would use electricchili’s comments as an example of a “subtantive argument”.

    • Oops. That should be …”but I wouldn’t use electricchili’s comments as an example of a “subtantive argument”.”

  7. I just read both of the threads over there. What is going on with Rosenberg? Either he is psychotic on just this one topic of race, or he’s gone off the rails because of associating with too many delusional Obots. He makes some very good points in his posts, but his attitude in the comments makes rational discussion impossible. No wonder we are a nation of cowards, according to Eric Holder. Why would anyone want to discuss race if it immediately leads to that kind of verbal abuse?

  8. I have no tolerance for this kind of “debate” anymore. People are so wrapped in idiology (that’s not a spelling error) that they don’t actually think anymore. They also forget they’re talking to a real person on the internet, so they simply label you a neocon, liberal loony, whatever, sometimes both in the same conversation. That way they can stuff you in a tidy little category and dismiss you. It’s lazy on their part and a waste of my time.

  9. Chuckie Lemos is beyond rehabilitation. He hates this site with a vengeance. He seems like the kind of person who can’t take a joke nor can he be in any way slighted or challenged on the merits. He will just go into a tirade and close his ears, totally unwilling to be civil. He dove head first into the kool-aid amazingly after an entire year of criticizing Obama. His mission, in order to gain his credibility back with some of the PUMA and Clinton haters, is to spread lies about PUMA and race bait throughout the blogosphere.

    • I remember when he turned rabid on us…

      I can’t remember the details but it seemed very “manufactured” …. like someone looking for an excuse to break up.

      whatever, I haven’t missed him.

    • He seems like the kind of person who can’t take a joke

      Then he shouldn’t oughta picked a fight with a clown

  10. Angie: You have to stop showing the Obama picture to Peppa! It’s beginning to really upset her!!

  11. Is the nesting thing working? I tried to put in a comment here at the bottom and it went into some type of limbo or something.

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