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Undecided voters… how can I put this?

The Magliozzi Dope Slap Method

I run into undecided voters all the time, not necessarily just when I’m canvassing. They usually give me the stink eye when they know I’m for Hillary and then proudly declare:

“I don’t really like either one of them. They’re both awful”.

I have two thoughts on this, generally thoughts I do not express to their faces.

1.) Um, Yeah, you are not original. In fact you are rather boring. I know that it’s probably the popular sentiment  all your friends express. Maybe they hear so many conflicting stories about Clinton they don’t know what to think. And maybe it’s the fault of the media that really wants a very close race because it is ratings gold.

So even if the candidates are not anything alike and one is clearly orders of magnitude less loathesome than the other, don’t expect the media to tell you this straight out. Ok, the editorial section of just about every newspaper in the country will tell you to avoid Trump like the smallpox infected jacket he is growing up to be. But CNN and Fox still want a photofinish because it’s *exciting* so they’re not invested in making the choice as transparently easy a no-brainer as it actually is.

You might be playing hard to get too. Just be aware that while I try to gently persuade you to recognize the care that my candidate has taken to actually, you know, know her shit, I secretly want to administer a Ray and Tom Magliozzi Dope Slap to you. I haven’t got a lot of time to sweet talk you. I’ve got 40 more houses to hit, if I’m canvassing.

If the fact that Donald Trump wants to:

1.)commit war crimes

2.)suspend freedom of the press

3.)violate Geneva Conventions

4.)revive bills of attainder by jailing his opponent, something that is forbidden by the Constitution

5.)play with nuclear weapons because why have them if you’re never going to blow stuff up?

or

6.)feels up many women he meets under the age of 35 (you’re nothing to him after that age)

isn’t enuf to you to reject him outright, I can’t think of anything to say that will make you do it. It really is gobsmacking to meet someone like you who can so easily conflate  quite possibly the worst candidate the country has ever had with a person who had a dispute with the State Department IT department. That email problem was indirectly uncovered by a zealous Republican congressional committee with an agenda on another matter altogether

In contrast, consider Trump’s policy on immigration. Just think about what it would actually mean to deport 11 million illegal aliens. How do you transport them? In cattle cars? Where do you put them while you are processing their deportations? Detention camps? Are they entitled to food and medical care when they’re waiting? The Republicans have made it illegal to feed and medicate them. So, now you’ve got millions of people waiting to be deported in squalid conditions. What about their kids? If they’re born here, are we going to strip away their citizenship? Trump says yes. How about the property they have to leave behind? You know, houses, furniture, art.  Who gets that?

Do you see where I’m going here? If it sounds too much like Schindler’s List, that’s because it’s the same damn thing.

Anyway, I don’t understand the morality of the world you are living in when you cannot tell the difference between a woman with an email problem and a man who will destabilize the nation and the world so that he can enact revenge on anyone who dares to deny him anything.

Look, it’s like this. If there was a hurricane coming and I knew it was going to devastate you, it would be my moral imperative to tell you to get out of the way, seek higher ground and leave town.

Trump is that hurricane.

Ok, so many of you break towards the end of our brief encounters and say, “well if I vote, it’s not going to be for Trump”.

What do you mean “if” you vote??

Deep down inside, your gut is telling you Donald is bad news. Have you seen the crazies that go to his rallies? They’re now threatening the reporters in Trump’s press pool. They want a revolution. And they have guns.

This is not the time to get wishy-washy.

There is literally nothing Donald Trump can do that will keep them from voting for him. And some of them know how bad he is and they’re still going to crawl over broken glass to vote for him. They’re that nuts.

If you don’t vote, the crazies definitely will. Don’t expect the rest of us to be enough. You can always complain later that Hillary isn’t perfect enough for you, and I’m sure some people are going to start doing that the minute she’s elected. But if we get stuck with Trump, it won’t be long before we will need to impeach him.

Lets pre-impeach him on November 8.

43 Responses

  1. Yeah. Officially something like 15% “undecided.” When the choice is between one of the most accomplished candidates in generations and a cheeto-topped dogpile.

    The mind. It reels.

    (Minor point: Magliozzi. Or, as Tom’s sergeant called him when he was drafted, Mag-lee-oh-zee. Man oh man do I miss his laugh.)

  2. I wonder how many of them are even going to bother to show up and vote. The “don’t like either” is one of the laziest statements you can make. I personally think it’s avoidance. Anecdotally the people around here that use that are Republicans who refuse to take responsibility for the mess they created and have been stuck in talk radio lala land for a long time.

    • Well, the ones I am meeting are Democrats who should know better. They come up with the most bizarre stories about Hillary like her complicity in 80 murders or her calling a bunch of mentally disabled kids “f#%*ing retards”. That sounds so outrageous and not at all in character with anything we know about Hillary that it cannot possibly be true. But you can’t disprove a negative and the people writing that stuff are getting paid by billionaires who don’t want their tax rate to increase. They’ve got tons of money to spend on lie generation. By the time it’s shown to be false, it’s already an urban legend.
      It’s sick.

      • Oh, the ones here that think like that are the Bernie Bros. They are the new version of the PUMAs that went all birther not PUMAs like that hung around here.

      • By the time it’s shown to be false, it’s already an urban legend.

        I believe the term of art is “zombie lie”. 👿

  3. RD “And maybe it’s the fault of the media that really wants a very close race because it is ratings gold”

    The majority of the BigMedia (including NYTimes, WaPo, CNN, msNBC) have shown themselves to be pro-Hillary Clinton “Public Relations Firms” (c) H A Goodman (check him out on youtube) during the Primary & the General election. The BigMedia have shown themselves to be propagandistic & low quality as the state run media they denounce in nations like Russia & Saudi Arabia. The BigMedia have ignored the Podesta Wikileaks, which is a huge story, perhaps the biggest leak newsstory since the Ellsberg Pentagon Papers.

    The Podesta Wikileaks shows that HClinton has a fake public position, & an authentic private position that is often the opposite, such as HClinton is pro-TPP, pro-Grand Bargain/Ripoff SS & MC cuts. It shows she is anti-MedicareForAll. It shows further evidence that her campaign colluded with the DNC & BigMedia like CNN to election rig the 2016 Primary as egregiously as Bush43 rigged the 2000 election. It shows HClinton is for “free trade” & open borders for the entire Western Hemisphere (another sign of horrible judgement, how are the already crapified working conditions to improve if any citizen from sub-$1/hr wage nations is free to legally emigrate to the US). It shows HClinton is for the Syrian war, even tho she acknowledges it will kill many civilians. It shows that Saudi & Qatar fund 1SIS. It shows HClinton is an eager salesperson for fracking globally, in contrast to her claim that she acknowledges Climate Change science. I could go on, listening to reports on Podesta Wikileaks (props to journalist Jordan Chariton at TYT Politics) is like drinking from a firehouse, & this is “only” as of Pt 9, with 80% of the emails still to be released.

    The Podesta Wikileaks would be tanking HClinton’s poll numbers, if not for the Trump P*ssyGate, which shows it is likely Trump is Bill Clinton-caliber sociopath serial sexual assaulter of women.

    RD “I don’t really like either one of them. They’re both awful”. This is the only reasonable position to have. To quote @kylekulinski, “Both Hillary & Trump have lied so often, about so much, for so long that I think it’s fair to call their ardent die-hard supporters cultists.”

    It is reasonable for swing state voters like yourself in PA to Lesser Evil Vote for HClinton, for fear of Trump being an Even Greater Evil, for reasons such as Trump promising to nominate Scalia clones that may eventually revoke abortion rights or marriage equality.

    It is reasonable for swing state voters to Lesser Evil Vote for Trump, for fear of HClinton being an Even Greater Evil or More Effective Evil, for reasons such as HClinton being pro-TPP (her genuine private policy as per the Podesta Wikileaks) & her absurd Syria warmongering policy (as dumb as Trump claiming Climate Change is a “Chinese hoax” of wanting to simultaneoulsy war against both Assad & 1SIS, & institute a no-fly zone, which risks a hot war with Russia. Just like countless climatologist scientist Profs are urgently professionally opining on the need for a Jill Stein-esque Green New Deal type program to mitigate climate change, countless international relations Profs like Dr. Stephen Cohen & diplomats like ex USSR leader Mikhail Gorbachev are warning that current US-Russia relations are as bad or worse than during Cold War 1. The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock is at 3 minutes, the worst since 1984 & near the low of 2 minutes of 1953, & this is with the “moderate” warmongerer 0bama in office, not the Bush43-esque neocon warmongerer HClinton.

    HClinton’s Syria policy shows HClinton to have mediocre intelligence & horrible judgement, similar to Trump’s horrible intelligence & judgement in bankrupting 6 of his businesses & often talking in a Sarah Palin-esque word salad manner.

    Many nakedcapitalism commenters are of Trump Lesser Evil Voters, due to being anti-TPP & anti-Syria/Russia war. RD, you link to nakedcapitalism. IIRC, nakedcapitalism superintelligence superwise founder Yves Smith has stated that the majority of nakedcapitalism reader/funders have a graduate degree & are Boomers or Gen X. They are among the most highly informed voters, not low info voters.

    It is also reasonable to vote for the Actually Good Dr. Jill Stein. In contrast to the 2 duopolist Clump, Stein has shown high intelligence & moral judgement, & consistency in her social democratic policy platform.

    TL;DR, RD if you want to persuade the undecided voters, instead of bashing them, appeal to a HClinton Lesser Evil position they may be interested, like abortion rights or marriage equality.

    That is if your goal is to be actually effective in increasing the votes for HClinton, instead of smugly insulting voters that reject both Clumps admist the race-for-the-bottom Evil-off of Trump’s P*ssyGate vs. HClinton’s Podesta Wikileaks.

  4. RD, can you approve my comment? Perhaps it was auto-censored by the blog software?

    If you want to persuade the undecided voters, instead of bashing them, appeal to a HClinton Lesser Evil position they may be interested in, like abortion rights or marriage equality.

    That is if your goal is to be actually effective in increasing the votes for HClinton, instead of smugly insulting voters that reject both Clumps amidst the race-for-the-bottom Evil-off of Trump’s Bill Clinton-esque P*ssyGate vs. HClinton’s Podesta Wikileaks.

    • Note from the post: “generally thoughts I do not express to their faces.”

      What part of “not” did you miss?

      (Also, although nothing to do with the post, note that Hillary is not Bill. I know they look almost identical, but with some effort it’s possible to distinguish them.

      Bill had sex. Trump committed crimes. There’s a difference there, too.

      Podesta. The content of randos’ emails to him (because I’m betting you’re thinking about the comment re Palestinians, which has been the only nasty thing in there) have nothing to do with Podesta and even less to do with Hillary.)

  5. What I’ve been enjoying is the release of Podesta’s emails and Hillary’s Wall St. speeches–both, it’s assumed, were designed to sink her campaign. And what’s in them? Nada. Nothing. Zilch. Just Like Always.

    Now, THIS, is something: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/opinion/sunday/if-hillary-clinton-groped-men.html

    • What I’ve been enjoying is the release of Podesta’s emails and Hillary’s Wall St. speeches–both, it’s assumed, were designed to sink her campaign. And what’s in them? Nada. Nothing. Zilch. Just Like Always.

      You mean it’s a Big Fat Nothingburger? 😉

  6. Pt 1/3 (hopefully will avoid the automated blog censor):

    RD “And maybe it’s the fault of the media that really wants a very close race because it is ratings gold”

    The majority of the BigMedia (including NYTimes, WaPo, CNN, msNBC) have shown themselves to be pro-Hillary Clinton “Public Relations Firms” (c) H A Goodman (check him out on youtube) during the Primary & the General election. The BigMedia have shown themselves to be propagandistic & low quality as the state run media they denounce in nations like Russia & Saudi Arabia. The BigMedia have ignored the Podesta Wikileaks, which is a huge story, perhaps the biggest leak newsstory since the Ellsberg Pentagon Papers.

    The Podesta Wikileaks shows that HClinton has a fake public position, & an authentic private position that is often the opposite, such as HClinton is pro-TPP, pro-Grand Bargain/Ripoff SS & MC cuts. It shows she is anti-MedicareForAll. It shows further evidence that her campaign colluded with the DNC & BigMedia like CNN to election rig the 2016 Primary as egregiously as Bush43 rigged the 2000 election. It shows HClinton is for “free trade” & open borders for the entire Western Hemisphere (another sign of horrible judgement, how are the already crapified working conditions to improve if any citizen from sub-$1/hr wage nations is free to legally emigrate to the US). It shows HClinton is for the Syrian war, even tho she acknowledges it will kill many civilians. It shows that Saudi & Qatar fund 1SIS. It shows HClinton is an eager salesperson for fracking globally, in contrast to her claim that she acknowledges Climate Change science. I could go on, listening to reports on Podesta Wikileaks (props to journalist Jordan Chariton at TYT Politics) is like drinking from a firehouse, & this is “only” as of Pt 9, with 80% of the emails still to be released.

    The Podesta Wikileaks would be tanking HClinton’s poll numbers, if not for the Trump P*ssyGate, which shows it is likely Trump is Bill Clinton-caliber sociopath serial sexual assaulter of women.

    • Pt 2/3

      RD “I don’t really like either one of them. They’re both awful”. This is the only reasonable position to have. To quote @kylekulinski, “Both Hillary & Trump have lied so often, about so much, for so long that I think it’s fair to call their ardent die-hard supporters cultists.”

      It is reasonable for swing state voters like yourself in PA to Lesser Evil Vote for HClinton, for fear of Trump being an Even Greater Evil, for reasons such as Trump promising to nominate Scalia clones that may eventually revoke abortion rights or marriage equality.

      It is reasonable for swing state voters to Lesser Evil Vote for Trump, for fear of HClinton being an Even Greater Evil or More Effective Evil, for reasons such as HClinton being pro-TPP (her genuine private policy as per the Podesta Wikileaks) & her absurd Syria warmongering policy (as dumb as Trump claiming Climate Change is a “Chinese hoax” of wanting to simultaneoulsy war against both Assad & 1SIS, & institute a no-fly zone, which risks a hot war with Russia. Just like countless climatologist scientist Profs are urgently professionally opining on the need for a Jill Stein-esque Green New Deal type program to mitigate climate change, countless international relations Profs like Dr. Stephen Cohen & diplomats like ex USSR leader Mikhail Gorbachev are warning that current US-Russia relations are as bad or worse than during Cold War 1. The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock is at 3 minutes, the worst since 1984 & near the low of 2 minutes of 1953, & this is with the “moderate” warmongerer 0bama in office, not the Bush43-esque neocon warmongerer HClinton.

      HClinton’s Syria policy shows HClinton to have mediocre intelligence & horrible judgement, similar to Trump’s horrible intelligence & judgement in bankrupting 6 of his businesses & often talking in a Sarah Palin-esque word salad manner.

      Many nakedcapitalism commenters are of Trump Lesser Evil Voters, due to being anti-TPP & anti-Syria/Russia war. RD, you link to nakedcapitalism. IIRC, nakedcapitalism superintelligence superwise founder Yves Smith has stated that the majority of nakedcapitalism reader/funders have a graduate degree & are Boomers or Gen X. They are among the most highly informed voters, not low info voters.

    • Pt 2/3

      RD “I don’t really like either one of them. They’re both awful”. This is the only reasonable position to have. To quote @kylekulinski, “Both Hillary & Trump have lied so often, about so much, for so long that I think it’s fair to call their ardent die-hard supporters cultists.”

      It is reasonable for swing state voters like yourself in PA to Lesser Evil Vote for HClinton, for fear of Trump being an Even Greater Evil, for reasons such as Trump promising to nominate Scalia clones that may eventually revoke abortion rights or marriage equality.

      It is reasonable for swing state voters to Lesser Evil Vote for Trump, for fear of HClinton being an Even Greater Evil or More Effective Evil, for reasons such as HClinton being pro-TPP (her genuine private policy as per the Podesta Wikileaks) & her absurd Syria warmongering policy (as dumb as Trump claiming Climate Change is a “Chinese hoax” of wanting to simultaneoulsy war against both Assad & 1SIS, & institute a no-fly zone, which risks a hot war with Russia. Just like countless climatologist scientist Profs are urgently professionally opining on the need for a Jill Stein-esque Green New Deal type program to mitigate climate change, countless international relations Profs like Dr. Stephen Cohen & diplomats like ex USSR leader Mikhail Gorbachev are warning that current US-Russia relations are as bad or worse than during Cold War 1. The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock is at 3 minutes, the worst since 1984 & near the low of 2 minutes of 1953, & this is with the “moderate” warmongerer 0bama in office, not the Bush43-esque neocon warmongerer HClinton.

      • Pt 3/3

        HClinton’s Syria policy shows HClinton to have mediocre intelligence & horrible judgement, similar to Trump’s horrible intelligence & judgement in bankrupting 6 of his businesses & often talking in a Sarah Palin-esque word salad manner.

        Many nakedcapitalism commenters are of Trump Lesser Evil Voters, due to being anti-TPP & anti-Syria/Russia war. RD, you link to nakedcapitalism. IIRC, nakedcapitalism superintelligence superwise founder Yves Smith has stated that the majority of nakedcapitalism reader/funders have a graduate degree & are Boomers or Gen X. They are among the most highly informed voters, not low info voters.

        It is also reasonable to vote for the Actually Good Dr. Jill Stein. In contrast to the 2 duopolist Clump, Stein has shown high intelligence & moral judgement, & consistency in her social democratic policy platform.

        TL;DR, RD if you want to persuade the undecided voters, instead of bashing them, appeal to a HClinton Lesser Evil position they may be interested, like abortion rights or marriage equality.

        That is if your goal is to be actually effective in increasing the votes for HClinton, instead of smugly insulting voters that reject both Clumps admist the race-for-the-bottom Evil-off of Trump’s P*ssyGate vs. HClinton’s Podesta Wikileaks.

      • Pt 3/3

        HClinton’s Syria policy shows HClinton to have mediocre intelligence & horrible judgement, similar to Trump’s horrible intelligence & judgement in bankrupting 6 of his businesses & often talking in a Sarah Palin-esque word salad manner.

        Many nakedcapitalism commenters are of Trump Lesser Evil Voters, due to being anti-TPP & anti-Syria/Russia war. RD, you link to nakedcapitalism. IIRC, nakedcapitalism superintelligence superwise founder Yves Smith has stated that the majority of nakedcapitalism reader/funders have a graduate degree & are Boomers or Gen X. They are among the most highly informed voters, not low info voters.

        It is also reasonable to vote for the Actually Good Dr. Jill Stein. In contrast to the 2 duopolist Clump, Stein has shown high intelligence & moral judgement, & consistency in her social democratic policy platform.

      • Pt 3/4

        HClinton’s Syria policy shows HClinton to have mediocre intelligence & horrible judgement, similar to Trump’s horrible intelligence & judgement in bankrupting 6 of his businesses & often talking in a Sarah Palin-esque word salad manner.

        Many nakedcapitalism commenters are of Trump Lesser Evil Voters, due to being anti-TPP & anti-Syria/Russia war. RD, you link to nakedcapitalism. IIRC, nakedcapitalism superintelligence superwise founder Yves Smith has stated that the majority of nakedcapitalism reader/funders have a graduate degree & are Boomers or Gen X. They are among the most highly informed voters, not low info voters.

      • It is not allowing me to post the small final Part 3

        • Pt 3/3

          HClinton’s Syria policy shows HClinton to have mediocre intelligence & horrible judgement, similar to Trump’s horrible intelligence & judgement in bankrupting 6 of his businesses & often talking in a Sarah Palin-esque word salad manner.

          Many nak3capitalism (NC) commenters are of Trump Lesser Evil Voters, due to being anti-TPP & anti-Syria/Russia war. RD, you link to NC. IIRC, NC superintelligent superwise founder Yves Smith has stated that the majority of NC reader/funders have a graduate degree & are Boomers or Gen X. They are among the most highly informed voters, not low info voters.

          It is also reasonable to vote for the Actually Good Dr. Jill Stein. In contrast to the 2 duopolist Clump, Stein has shown high intelligence & moral judgement, & consistency in her social democratic policy platform.

          tl;dr, RD if you want to persuade the undecided voters, instead of bashing them, appeal to a HClinton Lesser Evil position they may be interested, like abortion rights or marriage equality.

          That is if your goal is to be actually effective in increasing the votes for HClinton, instead of smugly insulting voters that reject both Clumps admist the race-for-the-bottom Evil-off of Trump’s P*ssyGate vs. HClinton’s Podesta Wikileaks.

        • Pt 3 of 3 HClinton’s Syria policy shows HClinton to have mediocre intelligence & horrible judgement, similar to Trump’s horrible intelligence & judgement in bankrupting 6 of his businesses & often talking in a Sarah Palin-esque word salad manner.

          Many nak3capitalism (NC) commenters are of Trump Lesser Evil Voters, due to being anti-TPP & anti-Syria/Russia war. RD, you link to NC. IIRC, NC superintelligent superwise founder Yves Smith has stated that the majority of NC reader/funders have a graduate degree & are Boomers or Gen X. They are among the most highly informed voters, not low info voters.

          It is also reasonable to vote for the Actually Good Dr. Jill Stein. In contrast to the 2 duopolist Clump, Stein has shown high intelligence & moral judgement, & consistency in her social democratic policy platform.

          tl;dr, RD if you want to persuade the undecided voters, instead of bashing them, appeal to a HClinton Lesser Evil position they may be interested, like abortion rights or marriage equality.

          That is if your goal is to be actually effective in increasing the votes for HClinton, instead of smugly insulting voters that reject both Clumps admist the race-for-the-bottom Evil-off of Trump’s P*ssyGate vs. HClinton’s Podesta Wikileaks.

          • If you don’t like her, get someone else to run in fouR years.
            But just because you don’t like her doesn’t mean she’s not smart or doesn’t know what she’s doing.

          • Jill Stein panders to anti-vaxxers.
            That’s bullshit and takes her right off my list.
            Plus, she went to a campaign rally in the wrong city. How does THAT happen?

            Throw your vote away. There are less than 2% of you. You’re better off with Clinton because she’s going to be going back in the direction you want to go and you can use her term as a jumping off point. But right now? You just sound like the color of the sky in your world is not in our spectrum.

          • RD “Jill Stein panders to anti-vaxxers”

            False, Dr. Stein is not anti-vax. Bogus claim from HillaryB0ts, debunked by the neutral snopes website http://www.snopes.com/is-green-party-candidate-jill-stein-anti-vaccine/

            Meanwhile, HClinton is against Canada-style MedicareForAll, despite it being empirically shown to produce superior health outcomes like life expectancy at lower cost, in opposition to Public Health scientists. HClinton is for fracking, in opposition to Climatologist scientists. If you are so pro-science, why doesn’t that take HClinton “off of your list”.

            RD “You just sound like the color of the sky in your world is not in our spectrum”

            I’ll take social democrat policy-having current politicians like Bernie Sanders, Dr. Jill Stein, (among other US pols like Tulsi Gabbard or Russ Feingold), Canada’s current NDP party, hell even Canada’s Liberal party PM Justin Trudeau is decent, the Scandinavian party pols. From US history, I’ll take ML King, FD Roosevelt, LB Johnson, Paul Wellstone.

            Social democratic policies have not only been empirically shown to be superior to the Reagan/Clinton/Bush/0bama neoliberal policies, it is a known tradition in the world & in the US (e.g. FD Roosevelt, etc). Your ignorance on this political science/economics topic does not imply that I “am off the spectrum”.

      • I just disagree with you in almost every way possible. The media has not been pro Hillary at all this year. NOW, they’re starting to endorse her but that’s because the alternative is so awful. But the reason why most people don’t like her is because the press went after her for almost 600 days on that stupid email problem.
        The Wikileaks thing is not a big deal. You should consider that she might be concealing things from Wall Street as well. Obama was HORRIBLE at playing this game and Wall Street took advantage of him.
        Don’t forget she voted against telecom immunity. She’s not always in the tank.
        I reject the notion that she is a warmonger. And anyway, I suspect anyone even slightly more assertive than Chomsky is a warmonger. You’ve got your threshold set too low. You may feel more comfortable in New Zealand.
        We can’t talk about this because I’m not really into destabilation just so something more creative will come out of years of hardship and poverty. You may end up getting someone like Trump next time but with more discipline if you go that route. There’s no guarantee you’re going to get a perfect politician who will never participate in any military operations not even self -defense, who will never meet with a banker, who will be completely transparent and meditative and a steward of the environment who will never use fossil fuels ever ever ever from January 2017.
        What you’re getting with Hillary is an experienced politician who is going to have a pro family agenda and a stable administration. That’s what the world expects from us.
        Gandhi was a great moral authority but he would have been a lousy politician.

        • The Wikileaks thing is not a big deal.

          You mean “VladiLeaks”. 😉

          [snark]

          But I’m being silly; of course the poor backward Russians could never ever ever forge e-mails.

          [/snark] 😉

          Never fear, Trump Chumps! Steiner Assange will save the day! 😆

          • Again, Wikileaks/Assange, 10 yr track record of leaking documents of powerful government & business elites, including of Putin & Russia Gov, never has a document been a fake to date.

            Furthermore, your Dear Leader Hillary herself confirmed the accuracy of the Podesta Wikileaks in the 2nd debate.

            In contrast, HClinton is a serial, habitual liar & Flip Flopper, as is Trump.

            I hope Correct The Record is paying you for your hackery like “Vladileaks”, it would be sad if you are doing it for free. You might need the extra money, should Hillary cut your current or future SS or MC as she says he will in her authentic “private position” in the Podesta Wikileaks.

          • Yeah, I want a Nordic Social Democracy, too.

            But Reality won’t allow that to happen in the USA right now, and probably not in my lifetime (I have completed 53 solar orbits, and nearly half a 54th).

            As for nuclear war: [snark] Suuurrrrre, a responsible adult is more dangerous with nuclear weapons than a sociopathic manchild. [/snark]

            It is your right to vote for the MD who plays footsie with anti-vaxxers (I know she’s not an anti-vaxxer herself, but she winks at them) or the Wild West Weedhead if you wish, but here in the real world, either the responsible adult Clinton (whom you dislike because you take the revelations of a likely rapist–who now depends on Tsar Putin as his only hope of leaving the Ecuadorian Embassy in London on his own two feet, and so is highly motivated to alter e-mails in behalf of Putin’s goals–as scientific law) or the sociopathic manchild Trump will become President.

            I much prefer the responsible adult.

            RD has more patience with you than I have. In her place, I would have brought the Million Pound Banhammer down on you long ago.

            I’ll just let Sailor Mars speak for me.

            (Note: Again, in traditional Scots usage, the b-word is not gender-specific.) 😉

          • The Clinton Campaign can release all of Clinton’s Wall Street speeches any time it likes. That would permit everyone who wishes to compare the text of the Clinton Wall Street Speeches with the Podesta quotes purporting to be from the Clinton Wall Street Speeches and see if the purported Podesta quotes are different than the actual Clinton Wall Street Speech material being purportedly quoted. The issue is simple enough to resolve in that manner.

  7. Pt 3/3

    HClinton’s Syria policy shows HClinton to have mediocre intelligence & horrible judgement, similar to Trump’s horrible intelligence & judgement in bankrupting 6 of his businesses & often talking in a Sarah Palin-esque word salad manner.

    Many nakedcapitalism commenters are of Trump Lesser Evil Voters, due to being anti-TPP & anti-Syria/Russia war. RD, you link to nakedcapitalism. IIRC, nakedcapitalism superintelligence superwise founder Yves Smith has stated that the majority of nakedcapitalism reader/funders have a graduate degree & are Boomers or Gen X. They are among the most highly informed voters, not low info voters.

    It is also reasonable to vote for the Actually Good Dr. Jill Stein. In contrast to the 2 duopolist Clump, Stein has shown high intelligence & moral judgement, & consistency in her social democratic policy platform.

  8. Part 3

    HClinton’s Syria policy shows HClinton to have mediocre intelligence & horrible judgement, similar to Trump’s horrible intelligence & judgement in bankrupting 6 of his businesses & often talking in a Sarah Palin-esque word salad manner.

    Many nak3dcapitalism (NC) commenters are of Trump Lesser Evil Voters, due to being anti-TPP & anti-Syria/Russia war. RD, you link to NC. IIRC, NC superintelligent superwise founder Yves Smith has stated that the majority of NC reader/funders have a graduate degree & are Boomers or Gen X. They are among the most highly informed voters, not low info voters

  9. RD, I thought of you when I read this excerpt from leaked transcripts of Clinton speeches to GS:

    “What I really resent most about the obstructionists is they have such a narrow view of America. They see America in a way that is no longer reflective of the reality of who we are. They’re against immigration for reasons that have to do with the past, not the future. They can’t figure out how to invest in the future, so they cut everything. You know, laying off, you know, young researchers, closing labs instead of saying, we’re better at this than anybody in the world, that’s where our money should go. They just have a backward-looking view of America. And they play on people’s fears, not on people’s hopes, and they have to be rejected. I don’t care what they call themselves. I don’t care where they’re from. They have to be rejected because they are fundamentally un-American. And every effort they make to undermine and obstruct the functioning of the government is meant to send a signal that we can’t do anything collectively. You know, that we aren’t a community, a nation that shares values.”

    • She’s referring to the sequester that cut so much money from the NIH and laid so many scientists off. Yes, that is a tragedy. So is not having an industrial lab job because shareholders are insatiable and if they can’t have their quarterly earnings plus, well, we’ve got to chuck the people in the labs.
      She needs to focus on that too because small pharma can’t do it. And the biggest vulture capitalists are big pharma cos that dumped their R&D depts so they could prey on desperate startups.

  10. My adopted state is giving me such agita.
    Come on, Ohio, get your collective head out of your collective ass.

  11. I just have a question to those who think Hillary is not good enough. Where is this perfect candidate you are waiting for?. why didn’t he/she showed himself yet?.
    When I hear Stein talk I seriously wonder how did she pass medical school. Sanders for all his rhetoric I never trusted him to be anything more than where he is right now: a senator. He is just not that effective
    Of course I have more harsher criticism of him but at this point….

    As for Hillary’s hawkishness, although I don’t %100 disapprove of the characterization, I think most of the people who are saying it are just parroting others without in depth knowledge of what they are talking about. And mostly comes from the lack of knowledge about the history of the ME. I remember when ISIS first came in the scene I had a lot arguments with people in the left blogosphere about it and a lot of insults were hurled at me. They were covering them as if they were noble freedom fighters not the murderers sociopaths they are. Whatever is happening now started waaaay back in the 70s. The fact that people aren’t aware of it doesn’t makes less true.
    So what I am trying to say is for her all faults(frankly I don’t see much) she is all we have got now till the savior is located.
    note: I was a leftist since I was 14( family influence).

  12. I enjoy this odd little song from the Human League, from before they hit it big with “Don’t You Want Me”.

    I guess “Empire State Human” is not entirely off topic, as the goofy ambition it expresses makes me think of Trump’s egomania (as well as his business of building of large structures).

  13. COMPLETELY off topic: 😛

  14. Arun Gupta shows more sense than most of the regulars at Counterpunch:

    The Left Isolates Itself by Disregarding the Grave Dangers of Trump and Trumpism.

    • Yep, and if you want to get anything you have to form coalitions but that would make them “impure”. There are people who just prefer to vote for boutique parties because it makes them feel good about themselves. Stein is a completely clueless inept candidate who thinks naming Madea Benjamin of Code Pink as SOS is a good idea.

      • Some people vote 3rd party because, underneath their choice, there is a sense that only the really with-it, most tuned in, best obviously socially caring, brightest people can understand why we cannot taint ourselves by voting for anyone who is not perfect (like we are).

        I’ll take imperfection and competence and loads of lying. I don’t need to be told exactly what the President is doing every minute; that’s why I voted for them, to figure that out on their own and with the help of advisers who know MORE than I do. I want a b*tch in the White House. A b*tch gets things done and isn’t too busy trying to be nice and likable all the time and, in so doing, getting stepped over like a doormat.

  15. If anyone thinks I’m rough on Assange:

    A “state actor” — incorrectly identified as the UK although the actual “actor” seems to have been Ecuador — cut off Julian Assange’s internet access. At the same time, the UK has apparently severed his access to his own bank account.

    I am amazed that this step has not been taken heretofore. Assange is not merely exercising his right to free speech. He is using private mail illegally acquired from United States citizens — not the government: From citizens — to interfere with our democracy and to hand the White House over to a disastrous, mentally unhinged candidate chosen by Vladimir Putin, who clearly hopes that Donald Trump will ruin our economy and our standing in the world. Sorry, but what Assange has done goes way beyond any reasonable definition of free speech. This is more like espionage — but even that term does not go far enough. Assange has committed an act of war.

    Repeat: Julian Assange has made war against the United States of America, just as Osama Bin Laden did. And he deserves the same end.

    –Joseph Cannon

    I might hesitate at that. :/

    The whole blogpost.

    • If Assange is the sole and only point of release for Wikileaks-held material, then assassinating Assange would indeed stop the releases.
      But that would indicate a real and fatal flaw in Wikileaks’s organizational structure.

      If Wikileaks has pre-planned for the eventual assassination of Assange, then they already have a distributed structure in place providing for many points of storage and many points of release.

  16. Here is an article about a suggested Retirement Saving Plan System articulated by some of Candidate Clinton’s most major and important supporters. I will let the article speak for itself . . . for those who might wish to form an opinion about this.
    http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-clinton-wall-street-financial-industry-may-control-retirement-savings

  17. Here is an article posted just today on Naked Capitalism. It builds outward from the David Sirota article I linked to above . . . about suggested theories of government-forced pooled IRA’s to be profitably managed by Wall Street money managers. Yves Smith’s contribution to the Sirota article lies in her prefatory analysis of how this “Clinton Forced IRA Plan” would be used to attrit and then destroy Social Security in order to privatize all our Social Security money. I offer the link here in case any cares to demonstrate that this is all alarmist nonsense and that I don’t have to worry about a President Clinton threatening to destroy the Social Security which I have spent my whole lifetime working my carpals to the tunnel to earn.

    Here is the link.

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/10/blackstones-tony-james-touting-what-looks-like-hillarys-scheme-to-gut-social-security.html

  18. The “horseshoe” effect again–Hard Right and Hard Left both believe that the Clintons are Mr. and Mrs. Beelzebub.

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