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The Tipping Point Thread

A month away from the election and we have finally reached the end of the Trump campaign. I guess he could still run, go thru the motions, flail like a screaming flaming swamp monster at tomorrow’s debate. But something tells me the Republicans will have made some monumental decision by then to save their own skins. 

It’s a lot to take in and discuss. Happily, I am at a wedding this weekend in a beautiful wooded setting. But I’m going to leave this thread open because I want to hear what you’re thinking. 

Here are some of the things I’m thinking about: 

1.) If you haven’t seen Ana Navarro pointing out Scotty Hughe’s unbelievable hypocrisy on CNN last night, stop right now and watch it. That is the closest thing I have seen to the “Have you no decency at long last, sir?” moment we have had since the 50s. 

2.) The Republicans have been running on the anti-PC meme for several years before Trump decided to run for President in 2016. It has been Rush Limbaugh’s golden ticket for decades. Religion and bigotry has been their business model since Reagan. Let’s not let them off the hook because Trump has exposed them in the ugliest possible way. They had their chance to stop him before the nomination and they didn’t. They should all hang together. 

3.) There is now talk that the GOP is thinking about forcing Trump off the top spot and moving Pence up. For all we know they’re the ones who brought their own candidate down. There are two problems with this, both of which should trouble us greatly. The first is that the ballots are already printed in every state. I’m guessing that each party has a back up plan in case their nominee can’t do the job, or they should have after what happened to RFK in 1968. But this swaparoo feels too conveeeenient. In fact, looking back on the VP debate, you can almost see Pence setting himself up. We thought he was going to run in 2020. But maybe the GOP is trying to slide  a stealth candidate in to replace Trump and hard ass, low tax, anti-government, publicly pious, sexist Pence is more to their liking. 

But that would mean that Pence didn’t get the thorough vetting that the other Republican candidates did in 2016 primary races. What we know about him is unpleasant enough. What else don’t we know? That’s the problem that I have with this scenario. It’s tricky, sneaky, deceptive and not at all beneath Republicans. We shouldn’t allow them to get away with it. They were a private party during the primaries. But the general election is an official, blessed, constitutionally mandated event. We should avoid any more turmoil like the kind we had in 2000. The world needs the US to be a reliable example of stability. As  painful as it may be for Republicans, they need to swallow their losses this year for the good of the country. 

Don’t expect them to be responsible or gracious. 

4.) Hillary is probably going to win. Nothing is for certain so we can’t relax. But I feel bad for her that the candidate she had to run against is so unqualified and destructive that just about any average politician looks good in comparison. She deserved better than this. She deserved to look like the best candidate we have had on both sides of the aisle for two decades. 

But at this point, the media should be sobered up. It dodged a bullet this year. A Trump presidency would have murdered the first amendment. They need to appreciate the candidate who won for the person she is. 

Your turn. 

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19 Responses

  1. The sad thing? The really sad thing? The media and way too many voters are too sexist to understand qualifications in a woman. If Clinton was running against a normal-acting politician, like Pence, instead of a dogpile topped with cheetos, her brilliance would count for less than nothing. Instead of about 0.1% as it does now.

    That’s what this election cycle has taught me. After 2008 it was obvious that sexism was deeper and broader and badder than I’d realized, even after dealing with it the whole of a long professional life. It’s not just some chasm, I thought. It’s the freakin Grand Canyon.

    Now I realize there’s nothing like it on my world at all. This is more like the Verona cliff on the moon Miranda. Many miles deeper and so bad that the best candidate in decades would be destroyed by jerks if they weren’t so terrified of one of their own.

  2. Ana Navarro went wild, nice job and she was so on point and a Republican spokesperson who actually made sense yesterday, Scotty Hughe’s is just pitiful.
    I’m also agreeing the Republican Party must pay for damage done by them during this campaign season, they knew they had no chance in hell of beating Clinton, ever, and they hired Trump as their male attack dog thinking they could get away with just disavowing him when the time came and not damaging the down ticket.
    And baloney on Pence, just Trump in sheep’s clothing, MV, less chance of wining then the current Republican nominee, he is a proud political Evangelical Christian with a long nasty record, even bright red Indiana wanted him fired, geeeeeezze.
    But Speaker Ryan is surely right to be sickened, but not just because Trump the Republican Tool’s “pussy” recording is just disgusting. The real problem, of course, is that it instead highlights the Republican Party’s disastrous choice to engage the female majority and Secretary Clinton using a violent gender-based campaign to subordinate women during this election.

    ”…Nor Hell a Fury, like a Woman scorn’d.” and we are the majority and we vote.

  3. Christmas came early this year.

  4. Hahah, oops it appears, Pence aka “dogpile topped with Cheetos” Jr. has also been disinvited from the Wisconsin Republican Luv fest too. Reince Priebus-Trump now Pence all under the bus hmmmm good move but too little to late Speaker.

  5. http://qz.com/803659/election-2016-in-retrospect-tim-kaines-debate-was-a-masterful-lesson-in-campaign-strategy/?utm_source=qzfb

    Masterful Lesson in Campaign Strategy–why Tim Kaine turned pit bull.
    Watch the video!

  6. Trump’s father divided people, including his children, into winners/killers and losers. Losers never apologize in Trump’s world. He’s had to apologize (if you are offended) so it’s back on you, and then there is Bill Clinton. Trump is screaming that he’ll never withdraw. Good. On to the next self-inflicted disaster. Wanna bet that the second debate has a worldwide record viewership?

  7. I think that unfortunately we are going to see a scorched earth approach by Trump at the debate. Bannon certainly would be for that. Trump’s personality would also lead to it. They will throw everything they can at Hillary; lies, doctored “leaks,” personal things. Trump will try to maker her sound like the greater risk. I don’t think that most will buy it, but it will be very unpleasant to watch, and it will damage her image. He’ll try to get the Sanders people to think that she has been lying to them. He will try to convince independents that she is more immoral than he is. I hope that at some early point, she can manage to negate Trump’s entire debate approach, rather than have to defend her honor on every issue on which Trump viciously tries to impugn it. Trump doesn’t care about the country, or governance; he would burn it all down to satsify his adolescent rage and desire for revenge.

  8. The Republicans will do anything to win. That applies to both the general races, and to any candidate’s own race. They have no concern for how the government runs, or in trying to reach compromise. They’ll shut down the government; they threaten to do it every year. They won’t hold hearings on a Supreme Court vacancy. They filibustered everyting when they were in the minority.They do everything they can to deny voting rights to people whom they think will vote for the Democrats.

    The vast majority of the Republicans who are showing distaste for tTrump, are doing it either to save their own candidacies, or to try to somehow find a way to replace him on the ticket. Yes, allowing a party to switch candidates in the last month, would make a mockery of the process. It would be an attempt to get a stealth candidate past the vetting, past primaries, past the debates. The Democrats would never dream of suggesting something like this, they would just lose sorrowfully. The Republicans were planning to march on Washington and even use arms, had Gore won the electoral vote in 2000, but lost the popular vote. If somehow Hillary could win by a lot, and bring in a Democratic Senate with her, and reduce Republicans’ edge in the House, it would be a very satisfying outcome. The Republican Party is like the sociopathic kid who will do anything not to lose a game, including cheating, tipping over the board, calling for endless do-overs, until he can claim a win.They, just like their horrific candidate, are not fit to govern.

  9. They are not going to replace Trump. It’s just too late. Pence might drop off the VP spot in hopes of salvaging something for 2020.

    There’s also talk from the Never Trumpers of holding Hillary under 270 EV’s and holding the election up in court and having their candidate nobody voted for installed as President by the courts and the house. They got away with doing it before so I’m sure they think they can get away with attempting to do it again.

    • It might be too late but we all know how Republicans make themselves look like victims. Before the end of the week, we’ll be the mean, evil people who are unfairly denying Republicans the opportunity to replace the highly defective candidate at the top of their ticket. It’s injustice squared. How could th Democrats deny a major party ticket a decent candidate blah, blah, blah. Where is the video tape where we all warned them over and over and over again that Trump was a 70 year old juvenile delinquent? Let’s roll the interview a couple weeks ago when Reince Priebus told the other R candidates to endorse Trump- or else.
      Let’s not forget that the poor little Republican Party was happy to foist him on the rest of us for four years.
      Yeah, never forget.

      • Good luck selling that one because Democrats had nothing to do with any of their decisions. Yeah, they can whine etc. but it’ll taste like sour grapes.

        And like you said ALL of this is on tape.

  10. Wikileaks released Wall St speeches, nothing in them I can see, but they can be spun, I suppose, or downright altered (like the Podesta emails yesterday, where Hillary is quoted using incorrect grammar, which she never does in reality).

    I agree, this was the end for Trump, and the debate is going to put the nail in it.

  11. She can handle him, Trump will be Trump stupid, bulling, erratic, misogynistic and racist, there is no skill there, no other Trump to show up instead.
    It really doesn’t matter what he brings up on Benghazi, Help Desk email issue, wall street speeches, the Republicans, CNN, Fox and MSNBC will do worse every day over and over again to feed the narrative that Clinton as a women isn’t Trustworthy – cause of course woman aren’t, she is Sneaky and thus secretive -like woman are, she gets in Cat Fights hair-pulling with Bill’s girls, she Failed with Benghazi because only MEN are commanders in chief, her Look objectification to measure her worth by sexuality not ability. All dog whistles absolutely crafted and intended to subordinate Clinton the woman and incite those men and women who already hold biased views aka the supposed new Republican Trump voters.
    We need not let these Bastards win we need to shake of the stain that has been the Republican campaign and celebrate embrace our pride and joy of electing a qualified female to the Presidency.

  12. She can handle him, Trump will be Trump stupid, bulling, erratic, misogynistic and racist, there is no skill there, no other Trump to show up. And yes Bill Clinton was a womanizer and it did indeed hurt her deeply, their Marriage and the Office of the President, but he did that not her discussion over.
    It really doesn’t matter what he brings up on Benghazi, Help Desk email issue, wall street speeches, the Republicans, CNN, Fox and MSNBC will do worse every day over and over again to feed the narrative that Clinton as a women isn’t Trustworthy – cause of course woman aren’t, she is Sneaky and thus secretive -like woman are, she gets in Cat Fights hair-pulling with Bill’s girls, she Failed with Benghazi because only MEN are commanders in chief, her Look objectification to measure her worth by sexuality not ability. All dog whistles absolutely crafted and intended to subordinate Clinton the woman and incite those men and women who already hold biased views aka the supposed new Republican Trump voters. We need not let em win, we need to shake of the stain that has been the Republican campaign and celebrate embrace our pride and joy of electing a qualified female to the Presidency.

  13. Remember that biblical passage about the woman who crushes the serpent’s (Satan) head beneath her heel?

  14. What I wish for in the debate is that Hillary not wasting time in trump ‘s latest fiasco, but concentrate on the issues important to her base. Also I would like very much if her prep concentrate on the areas where her answers were not very good last time. Since it’s town hall she has no control, but I wish she would avoid to be sucked into trump ‘s world

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