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Hillary in Australia 2010 and the End of World War II

There is a point to this post. Wait for it…

Let’s start with this clip from an Australian morning show in 2010. Hillary met with Hamish and Andy for a very funny piece about the “gift” she received from the Australian people as Secretary of State. She’s relaxed, has a good sense of humor, seems genuinely authentic to me, Jon Stewart. But it gets better. Listen to the banter between the morning show hosts at the end of the clip and ask yourself what they must be thinking of Americans this year.


The reason I bring up this clip is because I read the editorial in the NYTimes International version this morning about the tempest brewing in the South China Sea. The piece, titled “Playing Chicken in the South China Sea“, is about a American surveillance plane’s “near miss” with two Chinese fighters while over the area recently. China has been building up islands and atolls and installing military bases on them. It’s making Indonesia and the Phillipines nervous.

Back in 2010, Clinton was an early advocate of staring down the Chinese before the tensions in the South China Sea got too touchy. That’s why she was in Australia. Her job as Secretary of State was to forge a better working partnership with the Australians to take a strong interest in area.

Why is the South China Sea so important? According to the NYT editorial:

“China has been behaving in a bellicose fashion in the South China Sea for some time as part of a sustained and increasingly dangerous effort to assert sovereignty over a vital waterway in which other nations also have claims. In a few weeks, an international arbitration court is expected to rule in a case brought against China by the Philippines. The outcome could have a profound effect on the struggle for control of the sea, which is rich in resources and carries $5 trillion in annual trade.”

That’s right, the South China Sea sees $5,000,000,000,000.00 worth of trade each year passing through its waters.

We children of the 60s, 70s and 80s know that the world is mostly water but we seem to ignore the part of the geography class that taught us about ‘straits’ and ‘canals’ and ‘trade routes’. Those trade routes haven’t changed since Magellan circumnavigated the globe nearly 500 years ago.

It’s why Hitler wanted control of the North Atlantic and the Mediterranean. It’s why the Japanese wanted the Spratley Islands in the South China Sea, why it invaded the Phillipines and why Iwo Jima was such a big deal.Take a look at the map:



That map shows liquified natural gas trade routes through the region and I think we could all make a good case that maybe increasing oil and gas trade is not such a good idea because of global warming. We should be working on energy alternatives. But it is also true that we probably don’t want someone abruptly turning the spigots on and off in order to manipulate markets and bring us to our knees before we have time to boot the Republicans out of power and get on with alternative energy research in earnest.

Plus, presumably, there’s more to trade than fossil fuels.

I think you get my point. But if you don’t, it’s this: World War II never ended. It never ended in the North Atlantic, it never ended in the Eastern Mediterranean and it certainly hasn’t ended in the South China Sea. These areas are always going to be flashpoints as long as the world’s continents stay put.

You are free to disagree with me but you can’t argue with geography.

Who would you rather see in the White House? Someone who doesn’t think we should spend money on NATO or the woman who was proactively diplomatic on the South China Sea issues 6 years ago?

To me, it’s a no brainer. But at this point in time, the rest of the world is probably getting very concerned that there are a significant number of Americans who have no brains.


19 Responses

  1. American journalists’ attitudes towards her are sickening by comparison. They really are a disgrace.
    No, no, you journalist lurkers out there, it really is as bad as it looks and there are no good excuses at this point. You can’t even make a ratings argument because she *is* a ratings goldmine no matter what you do. So, why not just be honest? Why act like you have to have access to everything she’s every thought or spoken but no one else?
    I just can’t take American journalism seriously. I see Hillary the same way these Australians do. She’s smart, witty, humorous and warm. She’s not the deceitful, untrustworthy harpy you guys have made her out to be.

  2. I lack your seeming assurance on which nations, or blocs of nations, are defenders and which are aggressors in post-WW2 conflicts.

    However, I too would prefer President Clinton to President Trump, on foreign as well as domestic policy.

    Putin or Xi Jinping probably looks at Tribble Hair and thinks: “I’ve broken better men than this overgrown schoolyard bully.”

    This is a good column from The New Yorkerabout Trump.

    [Trump’s] not Hitler, as his wife recently said? Well, of course he isn’t. But then Hitler wasn’t Hitler—until he was. At each step of the way, the shock was tempered by acceptance. It depended on conservatives pretending he wasn’t so bad, compared with the Communists, while at the same time the militant left decided that their real enemies were the moderate leftists, who were really indistinguishable from the Nazis. The radical progressives decided that there was no difference between the democratic left and the totalitarian right and that an explosion of institutions was exactly the most thrilling thing imaginable.

    • Good catch. There was a good book by Timothy Egan(?) about the last American diplomat to Germany in the 1930’s and how they watched as laws and legal protections were stripped away bit by bit until no one was safe.
      At each step of the process, they thought, surely the Germans aren’t going to accept this. But they did. The noise machine for the Nazis drowned out all dissent until no one could say anything without risking their lives.
      It’s a great book. Wish I could remember the name of it.

      • That last part of the blockquote about the smarter-than-thou leftists who thought the centrists and center-leftists were no different from the right-wing yahoos and fascists reminds me of Vincenzo The Leftist (Pseudo-)Intellectual from that thread yesterday.

        • It’s a good piece. Bernie Sanders should read it and then hopefully call off his dogs.

          • If Joe Artillery 😉 is correct, Bernie can’t call off the dogs now, even if he wants to.

          • He has to do it anyway.
            And he has less of a reason to be angry with the primaries than Clinton has. You can see in the Chris Cuomo interview how she really wants to tell it like it is but has to be calm.
            I mean, seriously? What makes anyone think that Bernie’s grievances come anywhere close to hers and why do we need to tolerate him throwing a tantrum when she had a legitimate reason to get a floor fight a the convention and didn’t press it?
            Again, we have American journalists to blame for what happened (or didn’t) in Denver. They were disgustingly awful parrots.

          • “They were disgustingly awful parrots.”

            “Ah yes, the American Journalism. What’s wrong with it?”

            “I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it, my lad. It’s dead; that’s what’s wrong with it.” 😉

          • It has joined the choir invisible. It is an ex-journalism.

            It’s not pining for the fjords. You nailed him to the perch

    • Here it is: In the Garden of Beasts by Frank Larson. Really excellent chilling read.
      It was so scary not because it resembled The Shock Doctrine that came suddenly but because the changes were little shocks that were alarming but didn’t cause widespread effective protests. Before they knew it, ordinary Germans were over their heads and involuntarily committed to seeing it through.

      • While the German Communists and other militant leftists of Deutschland were saying, “Nach Hitler, uns”. I wonder how many of those brilliant fellows died in the camps?

      • Thanks for this. Just ordered it. Sanders could easily call off his dogs. All he needs to do is tell the truth.

        • Even if telling the truth would open him and/or his wife to criminal charges?

          Cannon suspects that Sanders is being blackmailed with a threat to reveal irregularities in his and/or her tax returns.

          • Of course he won’t do this. But he COULD. It’s all a question of integrity. I don’t believe the tax return thing; I think he’s hiding them because he doesn’t believe in giving to charity and because his income and assets probably would reflect quite badly on him. Perhaps he got some “donations” during those Martha’s Vineyard Democrat fundraiser meetings, for instance.

            On a positive note, if you need a smile… is anyone else loving the clown music in her anti-Trump ads? This is a really good one: https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/734083422419714048

          • The music reminds me of a Thomas Newman composition from A Series of Unfortunate Events.
            Pretty good ads.

  3. Sunday Meet the Press. Hillary said she has two top criteria for VP. 1. Definitely qualified to be President. 2. Be a person who can and will (paraphrasing) speak to and interpret the President’s policies to the people around the country. The latter lets out both Warren and Sanders as they have their own philosophies they could not help promoting. I think it points to Tim Kaine or someone equivalent to him. Of course, the panel on MTP excoriated Hillary and her new slogan “we are better together”. Joy Reid tried to be more fair about it but even she wobbled a bit. The Alex guy on there (blocking on his last name) seems to be the resident anti-Hillary panelist. RD is so right about the media. They have to speak 12 negatives to one grudging positive about Hillary every time. Even MSNBC is still courting bernie a fair amount. End of rant.

    • Thanks for watching that and taking one for the team. Do you always watch the Sunday bobbleheads? Maybe we need someone to keep track of the media awfulness.

      • I watch a lot of them. I am kind of stuck going to breakfast most Sundays with a couple of friends but watch Stephanopoulis (sp) at 11 and then switch between cnn and msnbc for a couple hours after Steph. Often watch the MTP repeat at 2 pm on msnbc. Unless it is NFL season! I watch Andrea Mitchell at noon many days & I think she has brought up more leading neg questions on HRC than most. Have watched her on MTP do it when even Chuck Todd said to her “but we are talking about Sanders now.” I laughed at that one! Furthermore, to get it off my chest, I have not forgiven Rachel Maddow for going with inexperience rather than competence in hrc in ’08 but I do watch her too. ditto Pelosi. Rachel has done better this time in not going overboard on BS but I think she wanted to but now sees the writing on the wall.

  4. The German leftists were not the only people who failed to perceive where the greatest danger lay during that period.

    One of the major reasons why the (hemi-)democratic capitalist empires (I count the USA as an empire for this purpose) chose to appease Hitler for a while was that many members of their elites hoped to manipulate Hitler (and the Japanese imperialists) into destroying, or at least containing, the USSR for them.

    Likewise, Stalin actually made a formal pact with Hitler–and then Uncle Joe woke up on the morning of June 22, 1941, with that pact buried between his shoulder blades.

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