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Conflict unavoidable

“Rash and inexperienced traveller, we will now seriously devote ourselves to a little high tension”

The New York Times has an article today about the unavoidable conflict between Clinton and Obama.  They’re both on Martha’s Vineyard this week. For all I know, it’s manufactured by the flying monkeys in the media who seem to be salivating for a Krystle vs Alexis fight in The Pond.  But there are some encouraging utterances from the Clinton camp:

Mr. Obama is fast becoming the past, not the future, for donors, activists and Democratic strategists. Party leaders are increasingly turning toward Mrs. Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, as Democrats face difficult races this fall in states where the president is especially unpopular, and her aides are making plain that she has no intention of running for “Obama’s third term.”

Thank goodness for that.  I don’t think I can take another four years of careless conservatism spouting from the mouths of clueless young Ivy League males.  We have been waiting for six long years to hear what Clinton really thinks about Obama.  Yeah, it was great that she was able to swallow her pride and anger and play nice for the sake of “unity” but enough’s enough.  Even if she doesn’t run, I am looking forward to her informed critique.

I especially like the bit where Clinton says “ ‘Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle,”

Amen to that.

I am desperate to hear someone talk about their organizing principles.  No, I am not kidding.  That “put everything on the table and we’ll negotiate” crap has been an utter disaster.  And like Katiebird, I’d like the conversation to move away from foreign policy to economics.

On the other hand, this is probably not the best way to raise a lot of money from political donors who want to retain their iron grip on all the money in the universe.  Let’s hope Clinton can convince some of them that it’s in their best interests.

The Party, on the other hand, seems to think this is still 2008 before the crash:

Christine Pelosi, a longtime Democratic activist and daughter of the House minority leader, Nancy Pelosi, said her phone and email “just exploded” after Mrs. Clinton’s remarks.

“Now is not the time to second guess the commander in chief, particularly when you’re a former member of his cabinet and national security team,” Ms. Pelosi said.

Oooo, really?  And when would the best time be, Christine?  I mean, he’s already opened up the tax payer safe to the finance industry, took a backseat to the foreclosure crisis and long term unemployment, presided over the dismantling of our research and development sector, and locked us into a two tier class system when it comes to health insurance.  When is any Democrat allowed to criticize him?  No one ever gave Bill Clinton that kind of deference.

Anyway, here’s to a little high tension.  It’s about fricking time.

Additional thoughts: We were the target of a troll attack yesterday.  It was wildly fun, by the way.  Katiebird and I are just warming up.  Bring it on.  But we did wonder what the heck triggered it.  It reminded both of us of the days in 2008 when the Obot trolls fired barrage after barrage from different IP addresses.  In fact, we both thought it was a good idea that we hadn’t gotten rid of those addresses in the banned list for the spam filter.  Now, we can go through the IPs at our leisure and figure out if there’s a common thread.

But it does make us wonder, why bother?  Obama isn’t running for another term, we don’t have nearly the readership that we had in 2008 when we peaked at something like 56000 hits/per day.  And the left has not sought to deign us with the pleasure of their revenue stream by adding us to their blog rolls.  In fact, I’d say we were true blue all the way through the last six years but hardly worth the effort and attention.

And yet, in spite of our anonymity compared to 2008, we still seem relevant enough to send a bunch of psych-out shock troops.  We can’t dismiss the possibility of a Republican attack but yesterday’s seemed so familiar.  It left that whiff of O-zone behind it.

Go figure.

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  1. It would be interesting to hear from some of the other “Hillary Bloggers” of 2008 to see if they got hammered by the same attack yesterday. I suspect someone with access to the old obot-scripts spent yesterday dusting them off.

    These next few months will be interesting. We need candidates who are ready to face the economic issues. Those are getting old and crusty and are desperate for solutions.

    The foreign stuff is fluid and who knows what the situation will be by the time the new President takes over. OF COURSE it’s an issue. But, what exactly will the war related issues be? I’d have never predicted the range of trouble spots that we’ve got now.

    • It looks like a contingent of “concern trolls” has hit the comments section of that NYTimes article ala DailyKos conversion diary style. Load up the comments section condemning Clinton for having the temerity to say anything at all, get your confederates to hike up the “likes” on the comment.

      • Perhaps that form of attack can be drained of effectiveness by describing it in detail both on that very same thread and elsewhere and linking to some elsewhere examples so that bystander-readers may be led to understand the mechanics of that organized method of attack.

        • All in the name of safety, of course.
          I sometimes wonder why anonymous doesn’t go after the wealth of the 1% and the big banks who act as their enforcers. Do they just have better encryption than the rest of us? And if they do, should it be legal to have better safeguards than your customers?
          Just askin’.

          • I am just a lost analog refugee in this digital world.
            But even I think I know the difference between “hacker” and “script kiddie”. And I wonder if at least some of the anonymii are just script kiddies who flatter themselves that they are hackers.

  2. “It left that whiff of O-zone behind it.” Truly laughing out loud.
    And thank you for this:
    “Oooo, really? And when would the best time be, Christine?”
    Yup. Obama can’t run for a 3rd term.

  3. Those Obama supporters who hated Hillary (and hate is not too strong a word) in 2008 for not immediately withdrawing before New Hampshire will only reluctantly accept her if she runs as a complete Obama loyalist. If she isn’t that, they will act just as they did then. To do otherwise would imply they were wrong all along.

    • Are they still relevant? That’s a serious question. Because they were a small but extremely vocal minority in 2008. They had the support of the media and that’s the only way they really got their way.
      This time around, I just have the feeling that they’re not that important anymore. If you read that NYTimes article to the end, you’ll see that Hillary’s book signing had a shitload of people waiting for her to sign the book and the book itself sold 1000 copies at that store leading up to the signing.
      I just get this feeling that there is a great crowd of people who have been held back at the door long enough by these assholes and they’re tired of the excuses and temper tantrums. If they don’t get out of the way, there may very well be a stampede.

      • They could be re-targetted and reprogrammed to work for the next counter-Clinton primary candidate. Especially if that candidate is another black yuppie neoliberal like Cory Booker.
        Then the Obots won’t be Obots anymore. They’ll be Bookerbots. And just as well funded and organized and deployed as before.

        • I don’t think booker can be rolled out with quite the same (manufactured) freshness as Obama. Plus, booker has to run for senate again I think. Lautenberg died in the middle of his term so there’s a possibility that he could be replaced.
          There are ZERO women in the nj congressional and senate delegations, which is shameful for a state of that size. Booker should be primaried.

  4. >If they don’t get out of the way, there may very well be a stampede.

    I could live with that. 🙂

    • See, I’m not so sure that’s a great idea either but no one listens to me. It just seems like it has the potential to be abused by the bad guys. You know, another historic candidacy? Let’s not ask too many questions. Just vote for her.
      I’d like to be reassured that my candidate still shares my values and priorities before I join that stampede.

  5. I hope there will be another better way to counter them than to have to keep comments open for only one day. But is that something we may again have to get used to?

    • Heck no. We’ll just engage in combat when they show up. They’ll soon find out they’re wasting their time here. We’re just law abiding citizens exercising our first amendment rights and bantering about politics. There’s a whole universe of media out there fueled by big money countering every word we write. There’s no need for them to get heavy handed and come down on us. But even if they do, I’m a bit of a shameless blogger, improperly socialized to typical female norms. I am not afraid of them. I mean, what are they going to do? Get me laid off from my well paying R&D job and reduce my annual salary to almost nothing? I’m already there!
      Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.

  6. Are you sure it was shock troops? I got the impression of one troll using many names, or maybe even a bot, if they’ve become sophisticated enough for that.

    As for foreign policy vs. economics, I don’t think the two are separable. As long as capitalists own the U. S. government, the primary function of the U. S. govt’s “national security” institutions will be to make the world safe for the institutionalized plunder which is the foundation of capitalism. Those “security” institutions suck away LOTS of $$$ which could be spent on taking care of our sick and needy, weaning us off fossil fuels, renovating our infrastructure, etc.

    • Could have been one. Although I distinctly remember a couple if them back in 2008 who accidentally exposed their strategy in an unintentional email that ended up as a comment in the spam filter.
      In a way, does it matter if there is only one or many? It’s still a pain in the ass to clean up after them.

  7. More incoming. It’s a shame. I have to go mow the lawn.

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