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Droning on and on

(Deep apologies for my disappearance yesterday.  I had unexpected extended-family duties)

It wasn’t apparent until Sunday but Obama’s Kill Team (the 100 or so administration officials who participate in the Tuesday Nomination Meeting) are using PreCog technology to identify their victims targets:

U.S. drone targets in Yemen raise questions

There is little doubt among U.S. intelligence officials that Kaid and Nabil al-Dhahab — brothers who reportedly survived a U.S. airstrike in Yemen on Memorial Day — are associated with the al-Qaeda insurgency in that country. Less clear is the extent to which they are plotting against the United States.

“It’s still an open question,” a U.S. counterterrorism official said. The siblings were related by marriage to Anwar al-Awlaki, an al-Qaeda operative killed in September, but they have not been connectedto a major plot. Their focus has been “more local,” the official said. But “look at their associations and what that portends.”

Then this at FireDogLake by Dissenter, How Coverage of Obama’s Role in Drone Executions Provokes Liberal Outrage.

The post itself is great – Dissenter is doing a terrific job, not just sharing links (like me) but his commentary is heartfelt and important:

Hayes set up the segment by mentioning that a policy of kill or capture of terror suspects has largely transformed into a policy of just killing the suspects. The issue had been “bubbling a bit” but just this week, Hayes said, it “felt like it really kind of entered the national conversation assertively for the first time this week.”

“Up with Chris” is a progressive show. Many of the viewers carry an expectation—albeit an unreasonable one—that Hayes will not wholly criticize Obama because there is a Republican presidential candidate named Mitt Romney out there trying to defeat Obama in the presidential election. There also are Republicans running to defeat Democrats, voters are being suppressed in states to help Republicans win and discussion of Obama and drones is destructive to the progressive cause. And that is why the segment got under the skin of many liberals and also why it was so critical that Hayes did this segment on his show.


Then, Hayes had Scahill address what really upset liberals the most: the fact that Scahill would say with a straight face Obama was a murderer for killing innocent people with drone strikes.

Think of the above as Part One in a two part piece….

Scahill says he was “called a terrorist, a neo-Nazi, a traitor and a racist” after his appearance. He was told that he wants Romney to be president.

This is what liberal or Democratic Party supporters who defend President Obama from his critics are saying these days when the issue of drones is raised. Or, in some cases, they aren’t saying anything at all. It doesn’t matter to them that innocents are being killed who may not be terrorists. The loss of human life is less significant than the fact that the Republican Party is plotting nefariously to beat Democrats and is perhaps engaged in illegal conduct.

These liberal or Democratic Party supporters, for some reason, think there has to be a choice made between opposing voter suppression and opposing drones. That doesn’t really seem right. Also, the reaction is pretty authoritarian when one considers that much of the outrage includes a demand or passive threat. They want Hayes to never feature people like Scahill again or cover the issue of drones again. Wide-ranging debate is too much for them. (Keep in mind Jacobs and Trevino were pro-military and given opportunity to share their pro-war views. No liberals called for them to be banned from Hayes’ program.)

It cannot be understated. The identities of the people being killed are not certain to US officials and yet they are carrying out operations that we are supposed to believe kill terrorists, not innocent civilians. Who “these guys” are that are being targeted is contested, which makes it hard to assess this program as something that is helping to kill “terrorists.” Just how many actual terrorists are being killed is debatable.

For Part Three, we should visit the comments (for more on this – Corrente)

The whole thread is pretty fascinating but in my opinion TBogg opened a huge can of worms with comment #167:

The question is:

When to act? Before the attack, minutes prior to the attack, or in retribution afterwards?

This isn’t an easy decision to make (as the article went to pains to point out), but to take the ability to prevent an act of terror before it happens off of the table is irresponsible. Your choice: an airliner full of innocent people or another Al-Awlaki. And, no, the choice can’t be: war is bad.

As I replied in the following comment (#168)

Isn’t that what the PreCogs were trying to work on in The Minority Report?

And for some quick (quote-free links)

Lambert, writing at Naked Capitalism Obama’s and Brennan’s Kill List shares a video and a petition

CounterPunch Diary: There’s a Cancer on the Presidency, Called Barack Obama, by ALEXANDER COCKBURN

Scahill: Obama has ‘murdered’ people with drone strikes

The Cumulative Propaganda of Media Coverage of Drone Assassinations

Axelrod denies attending national security meetings

5 Responses

  1. I’ve been told that there isn’t actually any precognition involved. ….

    That It’s a simple matter of sampling. In this instance, rather than investigating the sample, Obama is Killing the Sample.

    What do you think?

  2. I can’t wait for the drone internet. And drones that drop microscopic robosurgeons that can be inhaled by humans who will then be internally cut apart bit by tiny bit.

    Our attacks dollars hard at work.

  3. Nice job, Katiebird.

    Holy snot! The sun is coming out. What are the chances that I can get enough dry time to put a second coat of stain on my deck?

  4. Families in a traditional clan-tribal society are often huge. The greater al-Alawki family may be hundreds or even thousands of people. “Their associations and what they portend” . . . indeed.

    Most of the drone strikes are against Pakistan’s pet Talibans operating out of the sanctuary and resupply and training-bases area which Pakistan has set up for them to reconquer Afghanistan with. We could stop that majority of drone strikes just by arranging to partition Afghanistan between the Pashtuns and the non-Pashtuns (reconstituted Northern Alliance) and give them all a drop dead warning that we are preparing to evacuate soonest. That should give the Shanghai Co-operation Council time to decide if it wants to sponsor the Northern Alliance after we are gone.

    That still leaves the issue of drone strikes against al quaedas who are indeed plotting against US from Pakistan or Yemen or wherever.
    I don’t have a good answer for that. If we don’t do drone strikes, we can either stop their plotting some other way or we can let them plot.
    If we decide to let them plot, we can either accept all the future attacks they will launch against us or we can state the deterrence policy I suggested earlier . . . that any future 9/11 attack will be met with a massive extermination of every member of the leadership class elite of whatever country shelters the next group of attackers which launches the next attack. We could put even more teeth into that deterrence policy if we pre-emptively state that we accept Russia’s or China’s perfect right to exterminate the entire leadership elite of any country which shelters any people who launch such an attack against Russia or China. That would make it a multi-lateral policy.

    If there is a better way to deal with the coming future mass-terror attacks from mass-action terrorists who are still “out there”, I hope that smarter people than me are working on that better way.

  5. Oh, and . . . . Tom Tomorrow has a clever cartoon out about domestic drones. I can’t leave a link to it from this sad little computer. It is about a talking drone which calls itself Droney the Drone.

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