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The NYTimes had an article yesterday about Indian college students attending American schools.  But something about this just doesn’t sound right:

NEW DELHI — Moulshri Mohan was an excellent student at one of the top private high schools in New Delhi. When she applied to colleges, she received scholarship offers of $20,000 from Dartmouth and $15,000 from Smith. Her pile of acceptance letters would have made any ambitious teenager smile: Cornell, Bryn Mawr, Duke, Wesleyan, Barnard and the University of Virginia.

But because of her 93.5 percent cumulative score on her final high school examinations, which are the sole criteria for admission to most colleges here, Ms. Mohan was rejected by the top colleges at Delhi University, better known as D.U., her family’s first choice and one of India’s top schools.

“The problem is clear,” said Kapil Sibal, the government minister overseeing education in India, who studied law at Harvard. “There is a demand and supply issue. You don’t have enough quality institutions, and there are enough quality young people who want to go to only quality institutions.”

American universities and colleges have been more than happy to pick up the slack. Faced with shrinking returns from endowment funds, a decline in the number of high school graduates in the United States and growing economic hardship among American families, they have stepped up their efforts to woo Indian students thousands of miles away.

Representatives from many of the Ivy League institutions have begun making trips to India to recruit students and explore partnerships with Indian schools. Some have set up offices in India, partly aimed at attracting a wider base of students. The State Department held a United States-India higher education summit meeting on Thursday at Georgetown University to promote the partnership between the countries.

Ok, let me see if I’ve got this right.  American universities are seeing a decline in the number of American high school graduates and an increase in the number of students seeking financial aid. But every year, the exclusive top tier universities take great delight crushing the hopes and dreams of the best high school students America has to offer.  In fact, some schools think it’s a mark of distinction to turn down so many overqualified students each year.

BUT, then they go ahead an offer quite substantial scholarships to Indian students.  And let’s be clear about this, there is no shortage of foreign students, especially Asian students at quality American universities.  In the hard sciences, they are the dominant demographic.  The problem is in India where the number of qualified students exceeds the number of top ranked university slots so we offer them our limited seats because… ??

So, overqualified but poor American students will be rejected and similarly qualified Indian students will be lavished with money.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad we are still good enough to attract a foreign clientele even if we are their “safe schools”.  But this is a real slap in the face to thousands of American high school students who can’t get a foot in the door and who routinely burn themselves out only to receive rejection letters.  Then there are the mountains of student loans they have to take out just to get through the second tier colleges who admit them.

This is why occupywallstreet is attracting so many people to its movement.  Education is extremely expensive and now we have to compete with Indians for the few slots and scholarships in our own country, as if the high school product here, which has generated many Nobel prizes over the last century, is somehow not quite good enough anymore.



Other Stuff:

Atrios says that the Galtian overlords don’t know what’s best for them:

Sure their lawyers and accountants and lobbyists might have a pretty good idea what some specific provision might mean for them, but there’s no reason to think that they really understand how to run the macroeconomy for their benefit. I think a lot of the mess in the housing/mortgage markets post-bubble was due to the fact that the securitization contracts were poorly done, giving mortgage servicers very bad incentives, but I also think a lot of the mess was because the banskters didn’t really know what was good for them, or at least their companies. It’s hard to imagine that large scale principal modification with some sweeteners from the government, along with bankruptcy cramdown, wouldn’t have actually been better for both the macroeconomy and the banks.

This is true of the pharmaceutical industry, which for the past 15-20 years has been run by a bunch of MBAs who do not understand the business they run.  They’ve made a business out of merging companies to the detriment of their research pipelines.   It’s almost like they have a complete disconnect between the money they play with and the actual source of that money.  It’s all catching up with them now with the patent cliff looming.  You’d think that some political types would want to fix this problem but apparently not.  It’s just a simple case of companies acting like adolescents with very permissive parents.  Someday, they’re going to end up in rehab.


Krugman says he thought occupywallstreet was imminent back in 2008:

…Occupy Wall Street site today, reminds me of the closing passage in my introduction to The Great Unraveling:

I have a vision – maybe just a hope—of a great revulsion: a moment when the American people look at what is happening, realize how their good will and patriotism have been abused, and put a stop to this drive to destroy much of what is best in our country. How and when this moment will come, I don’t know. But one thing is clear: it cannot happen unless we all make an effort to see and report the truth about what is happening.

It *was* imminent, Paul.  There were those of us who saw the manipulation of the Democratic primary process in 2008 as a deeply disturbing harbinger of things to come.  We were alarmed more than heartbroken that our candidate didn’t win.  We thought that the foundations of the Democratic party were fatally compromised.  So, we said, Party Unity My Ass and went to Denver to protest.  And we were promptly marginalized and called racists.  After the election, we tried to form a movement but some people wanted to go back to their old progressive tribes and others wanted to join the Tea Party, against our advice.  In any event, nothing was going to get going until Barack Obama was shown to be the politician we thought he was.  That is, one with an outsized ambition who was bought to serve the overlords and who didn’t have much political talent.  Now that the honeymoon is over with Obama, suddenly everyone is aware of how corrupt the system is and how little influence the rest of us have in Congress or in the electoral process at large.

You didn’t have to be a Nobel winning economist to see it.  All you needed to be was an menopausal, uneducated, working class, sino-peruvian lesbian type that the Obama campaign used to characterize us as, even though no one I know fit that description.  So, welcome to Party Unity My Ass, Paul, one of the early ancestors of occupywallstreet.  We will send you our new members package with complimentary white sheet and hormone replacement therapy samples.


Oh really?  Go read this post at Susie’s place.  It will make your blood boil.  And then, go to Occupytheboardroom and give these bastards a piece of your mind.

44 Responses

  1. Good morning RD, I always thought that the attractiveness of foreign students to top tier American universities was, in addition to whatever stellar grades they might have, the fact that they paid their own way. I never knew that foreign students received financial aid other than loans.

    Given the explanation for why these Indian students have to go overseas in the first place, it follows that the reverse will never be true: American students will never be admitted much less subsidized to attend Indian universities. You write a lot about eating your seed corn, it seems we’re doing so in every sphere. Is it any wonder the American populace is filled with rage at the moment?

    I have a nephew who graduated from a private university 3 years ago and has yet to find a job in his field. He’s paying off his student loans from what he earns working at a cinema as a ticket seller/asst mgr/jack-of-all trades. Needless to say he still lives at home. Nothing makes sense anymore. Still sleepy, going back to bed. sigh

    • Not sure that it’s true that American students will never be admitted to foreign universities. It’s probably true that India is out, though why any American girl would want to study in India is a mystery to me.
      But there are always other universities out there and if you have a knack for languages, there are probably a lot of opportunities.

      • I specifically said INDIAN universities. A friend’s daughter just got back from doing a stint at a university in France; another one’s daughter just got a Rhodes scholarship and will be studying at the London School of Economics. So yes, foreign universities are taking American students but the thrust by American universities to get Indian students and subsidize their education when there is no reciprocity from their schools is just nuts.

        Where’s the upside? many of them will go back home when they’re done studying; particularly as the American economy falters more and more and their economy soars.

      • “why any American girl would want to study in India is a mystery to me”

        She wants to be a herpetologist and the cobras are her favorite snakes? 😛

        • I saw several milked-fang cobras in baskets in Pushkar recently, but it wasn’t until I arrived in Singapore that I saw an albino boa. He was cute, and reputedly well fed, but I had no Singaporean dollars for our photo op. I asked the men peddling cobras in Pushkar to please cover them! Had to avoid the snakes after edging away from the corner of the marketplace where the bulls were congregating, but nothing topped leaving Jodphur on a train past midnight with thousands of pilgrims hanging everywhere, women in saris on poles on the other side of the platform kicking in the safety window– no one was paying. Even the normal population that lives in the train stations was overwhelmed. It was truly epic. After that when I missed a train–50 cars, which was mine? nothing marked consistently, and I don’t read Hindi, I ended up riding in a tiny car over severly potholed roads for over 4 hours to Dehli. At least the villagers tethered their cows.

          India is reproducing at the rate of one Australia each year. A population equivalent to ours lives in abject poverty according to the U.N. Brilliant Indians need to figure out how to provide clean water and basic sewage before bringing coding skills to the U.S. Do you think the companies who lobbied for them (campaign donations) ever made an effort to educate our own? It was supposed to be a stop-gap measure. If I were Indian, I’d help a small part of my country, although the political corruption is disheartening. I sense that no one gets over here without the usual privileged contacts. From my observations, the woman and children are hard workers–many women work in construction wearing saris. The men kept the seats at chi shops warm, managed hotels, drove vehicles. The women who came from the matrilineal tea areas of NE India come to Dehli to work. They are amazingly perceptive, the highest literacy rates are in the two matrilineal states–whereas it took four men to check us in throughout Rajistan, it took one of these women in Delhi. If woman can control the number of children they have, India will prosper. The happiest of all are the Tibetans, and my fondest memory is seeing the Dahli Lama walk from his compound to the temple in Dharamsala. How sad that our esteemed manufacturing outsourcers won’t let him return to Lhasa. We all do reap the results of the coal plants that fuel this excess of consumerism. India, which is not industrial, is closer, but the mercury from Chinese coal plants is detected in streams in Oregon. Indians have an over-the-top richness of society that I admire.

  2. I know plenty of menopausal, uneducated, working class, sino-peruvian lesbian types. Most of them are excellent gardeners. Just saying.

    • I haven’t got a problem with them either but looking like one could land you in INS detention in Alabama. My point is that to the obama contingent, we all looked like Roseanne Barr while they looked like Anne Hathaway and Jake Gyllenhaal.
      But I’m sure you know that.

  3. This being typed very politely – I thought one of the goals was a “New World Order”. Why shouldn’t students from India or “undocumented immigrants” have the same shot at a good education as our own homegrown students do? Isn’t free and open borders where everyone can work or go to school wherever they want one of the items on the OWS manifesto? Why should a private university not be able to give scholarship help to any student it wants to? If your kid can’t compete globally, then maybe she doesn’t belong in a top tier school in the New World. There are more honor students in China than we have students. Are you sure you know that you want is what the OWS movement stands for? I get that you’re pissed off because you don’t have a job. I would be, too. But other than a new job at the same or better salary than you had, what exactly is on your wishlist? How do you expect “Wall Street” to provide them? I really want to know.

    • Ellie: thank you for being polite but I’m quite aware that George bush senior’s phrase New World Order means different things to different people. I reject the idea that New World Order has anything to do with biblical prophecy and don’t want that interpretation to gain any kind of following here.
      As for why American Universities are courting foreign students, tge excuses they are giving are total bullshit considering how many qualified students they turn down. I think there are two factors at work here: 1.) patronage. Betcha any money that these students have connections. And 2.) the mistaken idea that American students aren’t as good as their foreign counterparts. 20 years ago, this was probably true. But for tge last 10 years or so, ive seen an influx of American Asian parents putting the fire under American educators to step it up. In my area of the country, the students here could beat tge pants off any Indian kid. Granted, it’s not going to be the case everywhere but there are certainly enough students who deserve a crack at scholarship money who are right here in NJ.
      So this is a shameful trend but one that reflects how far behind tge curve these universities are. Americans are waking up to tge harmful effects of patronage and connections, and American kids are a lot smarter than they were but politicians don’t know it.

      • You want to know what is really going on with this, it’s just another expansion of outsourcing. Wages are criminally low and working conditions are appalling in India- even in the call centers. It’s just another arm being used against the American labor unions. The multinational corporate masters want workers they can pay virtually nothing and treat like garbage, all for more profit for them. They want over-educated, underpaid workers who will silently slave away.

        • Not sure that’s what’s going on here. The student in question is trying to get into the 1%. I think she wanted to study economics.
          I tend to stay away from tribal buzzwords. It’s harder to say what i really mean but it’s worth the effort.

      • From my recent trip to India, I came away with the conclusion that any Indian who gets here is from a well-connected family. It’s all connections. The caste system is alive and well in perception, if not outright discrimination. Even the lowest-level coders would be at the top of the heap.

        My half-Thai niece and I were in Udaipur for Independence Day. We are not TV watchers, but had a TV in our room. Ghadhi was on,of course, and fireworks were in the distance across the lake. We were appalled by the incessant ads for fairness (whitening creams). Some TV commentators were heavily whitefaced. I noticed that my holistic pure organic facial wash product was also promoting fairness. No wonder I looked so pale! Trashed!

    • As for me being pissed that I don’t have a job, I represent an entire industry that is being shredded. I used to work for Wyeth. When prized bought Wyeth in 2008, it laid off 19,000 employees from Wyeth including all but one of the people I work with. Someday, I will be making money again and to be perfectly honest, I’m more than happy to move into a smaller house and take a job doing tasks that are below my capabilities as much as I am willing to challenge myself to do hard things I have never done before. The value of work as an enjoyable experience regardless of income is important.
      But as a working person, I think hard work should be rewarded and income generated by investments should be taxed more heavily.
      I’m not bitter about being laid off because I know it was nothing personal. It was just some bean counter who was rewarded for increasing the bottom line.
      But all this hardship and misery we’re experiencing? Yeah, that is unnecessary, cruel and heartless and we’re experiencing it because we have a ruling class that is out of control. Tge fact that we even HAVE a ruling class is a problem.
      And if you have a job, consider yourself lucky. Even if I were still employed I’d be involved in thus movement. I’m not going to let someone put their boot on my head and thank them for letting me be their doormat because they give me the money to feed me. Every American who works should have dignity and have the right to demand respect from those who have way more than they need.
      What *exactly* is your problem with OWS? I don’t get it. Economic and social justice are laudable goals for any group of individuals. How can you be against that? It’s like hating warm puppies and cute babies. Your and others’ hostility to OWS defies explanation.

      • What *exactly* is your problem with OWS? I don’t get it. Economic and social justice are laudable goals for any group of individuals. How can you be against that? It’s like hating warm puppies and cute babies.Your and others’ hostility to OWS defies explanation.

        Think yourself back four years.

        Replace “OWS” with “OFA”.

        How does the quoted text make you feel?

        • You don’t like the “O” in the acronym? It’s the baseless astroturf argument.

          • Baseless? The two smell very similar to me. A lot of lofty but nebulous revolutionary-sounding rhetoric, a distinctly rightward tilt in the very few concrete proclamations, constant encouragement to use the movement as a giant Rorschach blot on which to project one’s hopes and aspirations. Screaming paranoid denunciations from the right, suffocating conformity on the left…can you blame a fellow for thinking he’s seen this show before?

            (Wall Street better take a pass on the ice cream this time, or they’re going to have a coronary.)

          • Paranoid delusions pretty well describes your crap. I’m not interested.

          • Catfish smells like a propaganda artist cleverly seeding progressive sites with doubt when it’s pretty easy to bop on down to an occupation and see for yourself.
            Unless there’s a reason you’re too embarrassed to leave the house.

        • there was nothing warm and fuzzy about OFA. You would be unlikely to see working class people at an OFA meeting. They’re all over OWS. I do not detect the fingerprints of the “creative class” on OWS.
          And if I ever find out they are linked to Obama or tge DNC in any way, I will be the first to denounce them. You can count on it. I don’t want to be used any more than you do. But I’m not going to regard every good idea with cynicism just because Obama and the Democrats destroyed the party. Wouldn’t that be exactly what the bad guys want? The absolute last thing in the world that the Obamacrats and the 1% want is for the working class to get together, figure it out, and hold them accountable.
          They are not Obama fans. Oh sure, there are a few but the rules of discourse is no political proselytizing.
          But why take my word for it? There’s probably an occupation near you. Go and check it out. Then you can decide for yourself which blog you can trust to tell you the truth.
          Collect your own data. Don’t let anyone tell you what to think.

          • there was nothing warm and fuzzy about OFA. You would be unlikely to see working class people at an OFA meeting.

            Maybe not at the meetings…there certainly seemed to be a lot at Obama’s rallies though, which might be a more appropriate comparison.

            They’re all over OWS. I do not detect the fingerprints of the “creative class” on OWS.

            I’m not sure I agree–the hype definitely has a similar breathless wonky feel to me.

            But I’m not going to regard every good idea with cynicism just because Obama and the Democrats destroyed the party. Wouldn’t that be exactly what the bad guys want?

            It’s not at all obvious how to tell whether something so difficult to pin down is a good idea or not.

            They are not Obama fans. Oh sure, there are a few but the rules of discourse is no political proselytizing.

            Who set that rule? Who determines what counts as proselytizing?

            figure it out, and hold them accountable.

            Hold them accountable without involving politics? How? Isn’t that like trying to juggle without limbs?

            There’s probably an occupation near you. Go and check it out. Then you can decide for yourself which blog you can trust to tell you the truth. Don’t let anyone tell you what to think.

            My doubts are entirely my own.

          • Until you actually go to an occupation and check it out for yourself I can’t take you seriously.
            No, really, you have this a prior idea in your head that is unshakeable. It’s very possible that my experience will be different than yours. THEN you can complain. Until you go, you might ad well be speaking Martian about the inhabitants of a small planet in the vicinity of beetlegeuse.
            There’s no point arguing with you.

        • Puzzled. I have n idea what ne has t d with the ther. Frm ne n, I will leave the ” ” ut f the acrnym.
          Will that be better?

          • Until you actually go to an occupation and check it out for yourself I can’t take you seriously.

            I must say I think my questions were perfectly reasonable.

            No, really, you have this a prior idea in your head that is unshakeable.

            A bit premature to say that, to this point no-one’s attempted much more than a light noogie.

            Until you go, you might ad well be speaking Martian about the inhabitants of a small planet in the vicinity of beetlegeuse.

            I may (or may not) if the opportunity arises, but I find it an exceedingly strange demand–very few political movements ask you to attend their rallies as a condition of even talking about them. How would your answer to my question of how to hold officials accountable without politics change if I did?

          • Talk to you when you get back from an occupation, maybe. In the meantime, try to keep the self-righteous air going. It’s so attractive in a troll.

  4. Top Immigrant students do much better than local students — that has been my anecdotal experience. In the first year I have had three Korean students working on my project and they have been phenomenal in skill and productivity. This year I have all US citizen students who came in with great promise but are not delivering. Be that as it may. As someone working in a top University I have seen all stripes and the predominant lesson is to clean up your HS education. Get them better prepared for STEM. I am sure you have way better lawyers here than in India. BTW, many Indian students I hear are opting to go to European countries — Germany, Holland, Finland, Sweden — than come here. Many more don’t want to leave India. You may lose out there also.

  5. Looking at the article, the Indian students even if they receive some scholarship, it looks like they still have to spend more than half on their own. So this is net cash inflow for American universities. These students are coming here to study social sciences and they are top of the line in India. What is so bad about that? The student in question got $20,000 in scholarship.

    The financial strain is considerable. Some middle-class salaries in India are below the poverty line in the West. The difference in tuition between top American and Indian universities is staggering. Tuition at Dartmouth is $41,736 a year, not including room and board, while most of the colleges of Delhi University cost about $150 to $500 per year.

    • In case you weren’t paying attention, it’s not exactly a picnic for American parents to come up with tuition either.
      As for STEM jobs, I *had* one. If you were in a STEM job in the past 10 years, you’ve probably been laid off or threatened with a layoff on more than one occasion.
      Ive worked with Asian PhDs and labrats. They’re no different than anyone else in industry. Some of them are incredibly good at what they do, some are only average, some make you wonder how they got their degree.
      I don’t know where your American students are coming from but I’m located in the Princeton area and tge high schools around here are the best in the country. What I *have* found is that in these high schools, grades are everything. You may think that’s as it should be. The problem is that American educators reward compliance higher than ability. Those transcripts reflect four years if turning the paper in on time. The kids who don’t need to do the homewor might never get admitted to your university. Gifted students sometimes end up at the bottom of their classes because the material doesn’t honest enough to keep their interest. I have been struggling with this with my own kid for 10 years. She’s a sophomore taking AP English fr Stanford OHS, AP French, Italian III and German II. She taught herself German and Italian over the summer. She also learned programming with python and regular expressions this past summer. Her SAT score in math in 8th grade was 610, in writing it was 730. But you won’t find her at your college. Why? Because she slipped out of honors math. She didn’t do her homework. She’s now in CP precalc and will need a 95 to get into AP calculus. That means she has to turn in every math homework assignment and not make any mistakes on tests. Her Asian friends take their math courses in a local prep school the summer before they take them in school in the fall. That way, there’s a better chance that they will get As.
      And maybe that’s what it takes to get ahead. Please the teacher, be compliant, don’t express your boredom or fatigue at the loads of tedious homework. I think brook is ready for college. But probably not your college. I’m hoping she starts caring more about her grades and less about the next language she intends to master. It’s Chinese and she already knows more characters than her Asian friends.
      That’s life these days in the USA.
      The only edge she has is the fact that she’s a legacy of a nice ivy league school.

      • Damn you autocomplete!

      • Nobody: read this http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/28/weekinreview/28tyre.html?hpw
        This could explain why your promising students aren’t living up to expectations.
        Anyone can be coached to do well on the SAT, especially if their parents have money for preparation courses. How will you ever know who is really good? (the essay portion might tell you who’s been coached).
        Straight As do not always translate to brilliant, motivated students. Those kids are probably slogging it out in a state school.

      • In case you weren’t paying attention, it’s not exactly a picnic for American parents to come up with tuition either.

        This is my point. If you gave the American kid $20K in scholarship, where will the rest come from. Some Indian parents are pitching in the rest and therefore makes good business sense for American universities to lure some of these students. The numbers are not big. Don’t hold your breath, there is no huge influx taking away your share of the pie. I know a relative in India who sent her kid to Kellogg spending her own money. India is a vast country and the middle class population there is more than the US population and even if the top 0.1% came here, they would compete very well with the best of the local talent. These universities are not pulling kids off the street and giving them $20K to come here.

        STEM jobs as in IT and Engineering, not in Biology or Chemistry where there are more and amazingly there is some gender balance. IT is woefully short of skilled workers. My Korean students were excellent programmers and they would work long hours voluntarily. American immigration is pretty savvy in figuring these things out.

        • I kind of think that’s an insult to the thousands of American programmers who were laid off and who would gladly work long hours voluntarily for a decent salary. DandyTiger had to start his own company when he got laid off. One of my friends is an excellent programmer and can’t get more than a contract job. In his last job, he had to work with outsourced Indian contractors to get work done and they were mediocre at best. He spent many hours outside of work rewriting their code.
          As for genders catching up in Biology and Chemistry, well, that’s illusory. It’s better in biology but it’s pretty bad in Chemistry. You don’t find many women in management and the ones that make it get little respect or recognition. But it doesn’t really matter because the MBAs are busily eliminating Chemistry as a viable career in the US. There is no point to studying STEM jobs. No, really, there isn’t. And take note that we have attracted the cream of the crop of asian students to STEM professions in the US in the past 20 years. This is not a new phenomenon. But even they are hanging on to their jobs by the skin of their teeth. The management class will always think it can be done somewhere else cheaper. Paul Krugman asks why so many graduates of ivy league schools go into finance instead of other fields. It’s very simple: When you’ve spent 10 years of your life getting a PhD in a field that no one appreciates and then find that you can’t get a job making more than $37K a year, that tends to make you rethink your major.
          The people who do STEM work are already here. The academic steps to getting a STEM degree are not easy and we shouldn’t expect that everyone is going to want to do them even with the best education in the world. What college graduate wants to do routine HPLC injections for the rest of their lives after they’ve been forced to sit through P.Chem? Here’s another thing I’ve learned. Getting the best education money can buy does not necessarily make you the best researcher. Just like anything else, it requires inspiration and opportunity, as well as ability, to produce a thing of genius. Look at Steve Jobs, He was a college drop out. HE couldn’t get a job in this environment. That’s sad.
          I am presently in job transition, as the occupation counselors like to say. But the colleges my kid applies to will expect that I and her dad, who buy the way is a Chemical Engineer from an ivy who can only get contract work with no bennies, will be expected to fork over our houses if that’s what it takes to get her a degree. And no, I don’t buy it that the top universities have to go out of the country to recruit good students. They just have to examine the criteria by which they select students. They are here. They’re just not wealthy or well connected.
          If your American students aren’t performing to your expectations, maybe that’s because there’s been a fricking mini depression for the last three years and they know that when they get out of school, they will have a very difficult time finding a job that pays the student loans. Your Korean students, OTOH, can go back to Seoul and take the outsourcing contract work that we send them. How would YOU feel about your career if you were them? And they probably already know what you think of them, which is even less helpful. Hey, I have and idea! Why don’t you spend some time with them, praise them when they do something you like and help them when they look like they’re struggling.

        • Most schools will “offer” good students enticement scholarships to try to get the rest of the money in tuition. They are all too happy to take US tax payer’s money to fund programs and research and then turn around and recruit in capitalistic ways – even state schools are pulling this where they have increased “out of state” to “in state” acceptance ratios.

          As far as students who are “excellent” this or that…

          I’d prefer somebody getting their work done (as in done-done, not almost done or “just one more thing” done) within a “regular” work day. Willingness to work long hours is not a quality indicator.

  6. Elliesmom: very clever the way you conflate “students from India” with “undocumented immigrants” when by their very nature of their entry, students from India in the U.S. for study, would not be considered “undocumented”.

    Then you go on to put words in the mouths of OWS by alleging they advocate open borders and a “New World Order” when what they actually say they want in their Declaration of Independence is passage of the Dream Act and comprehensive immigration reform.

    If you don’t support OWS, that is your right but please quote their objectives correctly.

    • If you quote them objectively, the arguments against them seem to fall away. They are now the ‘designated hate receptacle’ of the right and the self righteous.

  7. Every week I plan to go to Occupy Kansas City. Then the weirdest crap comes up. Emergency room visits with my mom…. slicing my leg open on her trash & getting a gagillion (10) stitches & a tetanus shot. Weirdly, my leg doesn’t hurt but, my arm is practically paralyzed by the shot..

    I’m seriously hoping to spend some time there this week.

    • What the heck! How did that happen? Wait, didn’t someone else cut their leg superseriously once? Was it dakinikat? Jeez, conflucians need to wear leg armor.
      Yes tetanus shots hurt like hell.

      • Ha! That was me and I did it the exact same way. Carrying my parent’s trash out. After the first time, I invented taking it out the front door so I didn’t have to squeeze between the car and wall in the garage.

        So, it’s totally my fault — it’s no surprise that they put broken glass in their trash!

        The worst thing is that it was actually a horrible gash and I dashed into the house scream for help. But, they’re both hard of hearing and didn’t realize anything was wrong. So then I dashed into the bathroom for a paper towel and dropped on the floor to hold the thing together & called Mister. (and asked him to bring bandages)

        And he came over bandaged it up and took me to the doc. My parent’s had no idea until he went upstairs to get my purse.

        So, 2 lessons. NEVER drag the trash through the garage. and ALWAYS have your cell phone handy.

        I could have been down there for hours…..

        • Oh, another lesson. Don’t go to ER unless you have to. The visit with my mom (for a minor issue) took over 6 hours…. I went to my doctor and it didn’t take an hour including drive time.

          • Oh, definitely. ERs are awful. When I broke my wrist in 2004, I couldn’t even get an ice pack while I was waiting. By the time they x-rayed it, the sucker was swollen beyond all recognition. THAT i will never understand. How much would it have cost them to give me a complimentary ice pack? Or even a sterilized reusable one?

            You need to stop taking out the trash.

  8. So, overqualified but poor American students will be rejected and similarly qualified Indian students will be lavished with money.

    It’s not very complicated. It’s all about money. The $20K or $15K aid to an Indian student is like receiving a 10% discount from Bloomingdale. Foreign students pay full tuition with few if any subsidies, making them more profitable for the universities.

  9. OT: Second round of the French Socialist Party primary was today. François Hollande took 57% of the vote over Martine Aubry 43%. (Aubry carried Paris, however.) It’s hard to read intentions because *any* registered French voter could participate, but it seems the voters are playing it safe–Sarkozy’s gotta go and they’re not taking any chances.

    Hollande strikes me, in public presentation, as having a Gore problem, wooden and a little annoying. He’s supposed to be warm and jovial naturally, so this recently-affected “presidentiable” schtick doesn’t really work.

    Montebourg, who was supposed be on the far left, made himself a nuisance all week, then threw his weight to Hollande, who is the right of Aubry. Whatever. Ségolène Royale congratulated Hollande without saying his name, only “le candidat.”

    Since such a centrist carried the primary, there’s a wide field of action for Jean-Luc Mélenchon to the left.

    And Carla still hasn’t had that baby yet.

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