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Fantasies and Choices

Lambert has an extended conversation with Amanda Marcotte over whether Hillary Clinton would have made a better president. Amanda and many others, argue that it’s all speculation and we’ll never know and blah, blah, blah, {{rolling eyes at all of the Democratic party loyalists who are, once again, either complicit or getting sucked into spreading the talking points of the people who were so damned wrong the first time}}

Look, it’s very simple:

1.) You were wrong about Obama; we were right. We never expected Obama to be an effective counterweight against the Republicans. That’s precisely why we didn’t vote for him in the primaries. Our whole reason for voting for rejecting him was that he had no idea what he was getting us into and the Bushies were leaving a mess behind. We didn’t want a neophyte for president in 2009. If anyone had a fantasy about the presidency, it wasn’t us. We knew what was coming and Obama’s failure comes as neither a shock or disappointment. We are not disillusioned. We didn’t buy the HopeyChangey stuff in the first place. That is a propaganda ploy that was covered in 8th grade social studies. Were the Obama contingent absent that day? So, why should we listen to your faulty reasoning for a second campaign season?
2.) The campaign really hasn’t even begun yet. There is still time for a substitution, whether it is Hillary or someone else with balls.
3.) NONE of us want to sit through 4 more years of Obama. Period.
4.) Regardless of how primary challengers have affected the electoral prospects of an incumbent in the past, this is a completely different economic and political reality. We are not simply dealing with malaise. This is a Lesser Depression. What we need now is something completely unpredictable.
5.) While speculation about Hillary’s presidency may strike some of the left as intellectual masturbation, it is inappropriate for them to substitute *their* judgement for ours. We want a choice. Choices are what make democracy work. We present choices to informed voters and they decide what they want. Why don’t Democrats believe in Democracy? Or is it that the Amanda Marcottes of the party, who made a huge mistake in 2008, insist on representing themselves as the superior intellects to the rest of us who they persist in mischaracterizing as working class, uneducated women?

Really, who the F^&* does Amanda Marcotte and Rebecca Traister and Jonathan Capehart and ThereIsNoSpoon etc, etc, etc think they are???

You threw a tantrum in 2008 and had to have your way. You bought the Obama brand without question and got all of the rest of us into this pickle. And it wasn’t even like he ran away with the nomination by a landslide. The nomination was a squeaker and he only won because the party changed the rules so it could ignore the will of the largest, most Democratic states in the country. He didn’t run a brilliant campaign. He ran a ruthless one and he bought a lot of superdelegates with the money from the finance industry. And because of the cluelessness of the left activist base, a good chunk of the middle class is suffering with no end in sight. Some of us (yours truly) have lost jobs and livelihoods because you insisted on putting an untried, inexperienced, political cypher in a job he wasn’t ready for. We told you that over and over and over again. He’s not even a real Democrat from what I can tell. And now you guys presume to tell US that we can’t have a choice in the matter of the next presidency?

First of all, that’s not true and never was true. We always have choices. But if you think this argument about fantasies and Hillary Clinton are going to persuade us, you are the ones who are out of touch with reality. Obama is not working out. The management, that would be us, would like to make a change. It is time for the party to get a clue and get him to step down so someone else can have a crack at it, presumably someone who is a real Democrat.

Whatever problem you have with Hillary Clinton, I guarantee you that it isn’t nearly as bad as the problems the unemployed have with Obama right now. No one is *ENTITLED* to a second term. And it is sheer fantasy for the Democrats to try to push a failure on us a second time when there is time to prevent it. The people who are in fantasy mode are the ones who think that Obama’s second term is going to be better than his first. Hillary told us what it was going to be like and she was right:

Amanda and Rebecca and Jonathan are in denial. They’re in denial because they are afraid. They’re afraid because the Republicans could win. The Republicans could win because the economy is really in bad shape. The economy is in really bad shape because Republicans are obstructive assholes and because Obama didn’t know how to deal with them. He doesn’t know how to deal with them because he didn’t have that part figured out before he ran and he doesn’t have a political philosophy. But fear tactics are not going to get Obama re-elected. We’re not buying it, Amanda. The party needs to stop being so craven and scared and replace the guy at the top because we are not voting for him next year.

Suck on that, Amanda.

PS: I can’t remember where I read this but some columnist wrote that there have been suggestions of a write in campaign for Hillary in Iowa. Now, I don’t know if she could be drafted or if she even has an interest. But if she won the Iowa caucuses anyway, that would send a very strong message to the party that Obama does not have the confidence of the voters. That assumes that there won’t be spillover from Illinois. I fully expect that Iowa and other caucus states don’t let the Obama campaign get away with the blatantly obvious fraudulent and unethical practices they did in 2008. For the record, Obots, that kind of behavior is not just rough politics. It’s immoral behavior that deprives voters of their rights and fair reflection. But if you put up with it, you should not be surprised with the guy does the same thing to you.

44 Responses

  1. FB, please! I want to like this one a lot!!!

  2. Your right RD…They are scared!

  3. Stellar rant, RD!

  4. I am at a loss as to how these people seem to be totally unconcerned with the unemployment rate. Is there no one with a heart left in the party?

  5. Beautiful one, RD!

  6. Yep. Why anybody would trust these clowns as far as they could throw a concert grand piano is beyond me.

  7. Preach it sister! And they bloody well should be scared. Their ignorance, laziness, poor judgement, and sense of superiority has made them wrong. And irrelevant. The electorate is not listening to them anymore.

    • Their misogyny was a fatal mistake too. I for one will *never* trust the Party until the Republicans-in-jorts are pushed out of power.

  8. You are referring to this article:
    ““I think we need a write-in candidate for the 2012 Iowa Democratic caucuses and Hillary would be my choice.”

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20110823/OPINION01/308230010/-1/SPORTS09/Steffen-Schmidt-Some-Dems-think-unthinkable-Not-Obama

    • Yup, that was the one. I don’t know who this Schmidt guy is. He’s some poli sci dude in Iowa. But left or right? No clue.
      I have noticed that whenever Democrats get unhappy with Obama, a bunch of right wingers from Fox and American Spectator start concern trolling that maybe Hillary would be better. Predictably, this turns the Lefty blogosphere off its kibble. But that doesn’t mean it’s not the right thing to do.

      • It would certainly confound both sides.

        • I keep saying we’re in a local minimum and need some unexpected event to kick us up to a higher energy state. Running a primary would be unexpected. It might not be crazy enough but I’d give it a shot.

  9. I live in Illinois, go into Chicago frquently and have a chance to hear how some (employed) black women rationalize support for Obama. They say, it’s not his fault. No comment on caving to Republicans. He campaigned on promises to change things a president has limited power to change, and now he shouldn’t be expected to be able to change things because he has limited power.

  10. Thank you RD, you’re response is perfect, but ONCE again you have to add the standard “and no I don’t vote for republicans” ,just because you know what their response will be. I’m so sick of saying ” I’m a 35 yr. democrat, never voted for republicans, I’m a FDR democrat, yadda, yadda, yadda”. Obama is killing the Democratic Party. Somebody make him go away.

    • It’s important to make it absolutely clear that we are Democrats who don’t vote for Republicans.
      Oddly enough, there are a lot of Republicans that also assume that if you are a Democrat, you must 1.) think that Obama is better than sliced bread and 2.) think the Democrats are above reproach.
      We do have the opportunity to confound both groups. I would casually link us to the Firebagger contingent except that we were there first, we have always thought Clinton would have made a better president (for sure her learning curve would have been shorter) and we’re not lefty purists.

  11. Amanda’s kneejerk reaction to Lambert was breathtakingly snotty, and as commenter okanogen demonstrates, succinctly comprises creative-class warfare:

    1) Record to run on? Uhhh…..
    2) “Feel good about yourself” = Bitter cling
    3) “Therapy” = delusional, drugged-out retard
    4) “hard work at your career” = get a job, hippie
    5) “Get in shape” = fat, working class slobs don’t do pilates or eat “right”, and self-select for failure.

  12. the sooner the better 🙂

  13. Excellent rant, RD. I can at least respect the former Obama supporters who have woken up, but I can only pity those like Amanda.

    djmm

  14. This is why it seems to me that if Obama is to be dumped, the impetus has to come from African American Democrats — and I don’t see that happening. And, yes, I know that even saying this makes me a big ol’ raaaaay-cist!

  15. I refuse to vote Reptilian, so if the Dinocrats stick us with Obummer again, here’s my 3rd-party choice: 😉

  16. I would like to see two contenders (not Clinton) primary Obama. It could lead to an open convention. Then I would like to see Clinton drafted at the convention. She will not primary Obama, and she deserves a “free ride” to the nomination.

    • I like that scenario a lot, purplefinn. The DNC should be crawling on glass begging her to accept the nomination.

      I am so ready to vote republican (again) to get Obama out for good. But for those of you that can’t/won’t/would rather die than do that, please write in Hillary. She deserves that at least.

    • I don’t think anything unpredictable would be allowed to happen at the convention.

      • Too bad for the party. That Nassir Ghaemi guy wrote the book on the positive effects of insanity in times of stress would probably agree with me that a bit of chaos is just what the party needs to remain viable.

  17. But fear tactics are not going to get Obama re-elected.

    Barack Obama’s acceptance speech on August 28, 2008:

    “And that’s to be expected, because if you don’t have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters.

    If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.”

    • He speaks from experience.

    • Wow – I didn’t realize he actually said that (turned down a VIP ticket to his coronation and refused to watch it on TV).

      If he does lose this time around, I think he has a bright future in stand-up (which will be the only time he’s ever stood up for anything, I suppose).

  18. […] Riverdaughter: Really, who the F^&* does Amanda Marcotte and Rebecca Traister and Jonathan Capehart and ThereIsNoSpoon etc, etc, etc think they are??? […]

  19. What Riverdaughter said.

  20. I also would like to see a “candidate transplant” for 2012, preferably by totally open primaries fought to the bitter end this time. (I would also like to see a much smaller role for “superdelegates” but I don’t know who or how would make that happen). I would like to see such primary contenders say what Obama did wrong and why, and what Obama did right and why; and what they would do differently than what they think Obama would do and why they would do those things differently. I would like to know who their campaign economic advisers would be and why. I would like to know what they think of the DLC and Third Way and the “Axis of Wall Street” influence on the Party.

    If I see a primary contender I can vote FOR, then I will vote for that person. If not, I will register R in time to vote for Romney so as to make an Obama defeat less painful while I vote Thired Party.

  21. This is one Democrat that did vote for John McCain, the first time ever I voted republican.

    I’m sorry but I would not reward my childrens (or pets) bad behavior and will I not reward the “grown-ups” in the Democratic party for theirs.

    Ever.

  22. Honk, honk!!

  23. Great rant!

  24. Or is it that the Amanda Marcottes of the party, who made a huge mistake in 2008, insist on representing themselves as the superior intellects to the rest of us who they persist in mischaracterizing as working class, uneducated women? …

    This is what no one explains…how the same criminal bankers that melted Wall St in 2007 are still running the banks…and how the same numb nuts commentators from 2008 who were sooo wrong are still, running their mouths tell us what to do .Both groups should be history

    • Joe Cannon has two good pieces up on Obama’s latest shenanigans for letting Wall Street off the hook.

      Read then forward to your Obot former friends.

  25. I note about this:

    “The nomination was a squeaker and he only won because the party changed the rules so it could ignore the will of the largest, most Democratic states in the country. He didn’t run a brilliant campaign. He ran a ruthless one and he bought a lot of superdelegates with the money from the finance industry. And because of the cluelessness of the left activist base, a good chunk of the middle class is suffering with no end in sight. Some of us (yours truly) have lost jobs and livelihoods because you insisted on putting an untried, inexperienced, political cypher in a job he wasn’t ready for. We told you that over and over and over again. He’s not even a real Democrat from what I can tell. And now you guys presume to tell US that we can’t have a choice in the matter of the next presidency?”

    Do you find it odd that Obama and company could play hardball and work to deny Michigan and Florida their full delegates in order for him to gain power. When the time comes to assist the working class who voted for him, he doesn’t give a damn. Where’s the fight? Obama can fight when it is something that benefits himself, such as attaining the Presidency. He does not fight when the lives of the working class are on the line.

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