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Thursday: Stupid MBA Tricks

Who here is sick of all Palin all the time?  Raise your hand.  Yeah, me too.  Neither side of the aisle will ever convince me they’re right.  I’ve got my opinion, mercifully untainted by media spin.  And like I have always said, you can’t get anything of value from cable news gasbags on TV going after each other.  Turn them off.  Once you do, you can form your own opinion without all that crap cluttering up your analytical thought processes.  Let the right and left fight it out while you focus on more important things.

On to more important things:

Yesterday, Derek Lowe at In The Pipeline posted on the absurd number of meetings that those of us in the corporate world have to attend:

Here’s a problem that I’ve seen at every company I’ve worked at, and there are good reasons to believe that it afflicts every company out there. That’s because I think it’s grounded in human nature: dog-and-pony-itis.

That’s the phrase I use for what happens to meetings over time. Many readers will be familiar with the process: a company gradually accumulates regular meetings on its internal calendar – project team meetings, individual chemistry and biology meetings inside that, overall review meetings, resourcing, planning, interdisciplinary meetings. . .everyone who’s anyone, in some companies, has to be calling a meeting of their very own.

Eventually, someone says “Enough!” and purges the schedule, replacing the tangle of overlapping meetings with A Brand New Meeting or two. These will actually discuss issues, for once, and people are encouraged to actually say what’s really going on with their projects. For once. And who knows, maybe that’s the case (for once) – but it doesn’t last.

Because every time, in my experience, the Brand New Meeting itself starts to collect barnacles. Over time, it becomes less useful, and more of a show. The music starts up, the Pomeranian dogs start hopping around and barking, and the trained horses make their entrance from the wings. It becomes more expedient to just get up and tell people the broad strokes of a project, especially the broad strokes that are actually working, and leave the messy details out. And gradually, other meetings spring up to try to take up the slack, since nothing ever seems to get done at the Brand New. . .

You’ve been there, right?  If you have any suggestions, send them to Derek.  My pet peeve is borg like IT departments who seem determined to make you fit into their one-size-fits-all computer build, forcing you to do endless workarounds that  impact productivity, which the MBAs are always screaming about.  What I find really annoying about this is that MBAs are constantly reshuffling the deck chairs to (try to) make us more productive (without any real inkling of what their business is about or how it really works) but they weirdly seem to overlook the IT department.  Selective pressure is constantly applied to the rest of us in a sort of Malthusian catastrophe scenario, taking out the good with the bad and making us to (even) more with fewer people (than we had when it was just merely difficult but is now next to impossible) but the IT department is given some miraculous exemption so that they may continue on as the neanderthals they are without ever having to evolve.  I heard similar complaints from people from other pharmas at the conference I attended last week but in this case, misery did not add to a sense of comraderie but continued frustration and despair.  There is simply no getting around the IT mafia and they are making our work so hard to do that some R&D users at other companies have literally begged the sys admins to disconnect them from the corporate network.

I don’t know what the IT department has on the MBAs (take that back.  I *can* imagine what they have, actually) but the ongoing ability of the MBAs to overlook the IT mafia is baffling and counterproductive.  As one colleague of mine noted yesterday, we’re constantly under threat of being outsourced if we don’t perform but IT never is.  Why can’t we shop around for out own IT vendors, especially if our business unit performs a particular kind of function with our computers that is 95% different than the typical Microsoft Excel user?  Good question.  I’m going to bring it up at the next Town Hall meeting.  It sounds innocuous enough.  You can’t *possibly* be fired for asking something like that.  Right?  RIGHT??

What are your pet business bugaboos or latest MBA Bull from on high that has your knickers in a twist?

In other news:

Commence the Kabuki!  In a sign of things to come, the House has repealed the Health Care Reform Act passed last year annnnd the Senate refuses to put it on the agenda.  From the NYTimes:

Leaders of the Democratic-controlled Senate have said that they will not act on the repeal measure, effectively scuttling it.

While conceding that reality, House Republicans said they would press ahead with their “repeal and replace” strategy. But the next steps will be much more difficult, as they try to forge consensus on alternatives emphasizing “free market solutions” to control health costs and expand coverage.

{{snort!}} Republicans just kill me with their sense of humor.  The health care reform bill passed last year *was* a “free market solution”.  It was about as free market as you can get and still call it reform.  Once again, Democrats have failed to capitalize on this fact.  They should be playing up the free market aspects while everyone comes to hate, hate, HATE the bill.  That way they can say, “See?  This is what Republicans say they wanted.  It’s free market.  They didn’t want competition from a public option or anything that would actually make it less expensive and more efficient for you, the consumer.  Why are the Republicans whining about it now?  What do Republicans want??”  Anyway, the reality is that open enrollment is over for the year so we’re stuck with the increased costs of coverage without any significant increases in, er,  coverage.  Well, except for the coverage of kids until they’re 26, which will be great for Brooke but sucks for all of those kids who just aged out and who weren’t covered in the past several years.  No soup for you.  It’s particularly tough on girls whose cost for insurance on the free market is absurdly high for minimal coverage.  I suppose that goes with the risk of pregnancy, which could be avoided if the health insurance plan covers the cost of birth control and abortion.

Speaking of abortion, the recent discovery of the abortion clinic from hell in Philadelphia invalidates any argument the antiabortion crew can come up with.  An abortion clinic was closed down recently when a raid conducted for illegal drugs unintentionally uncovered aseptic conditions so horrific it makes the stomach churn.  This excerpt of the grand jury indictment from Jeralyn is not for the squeamish:

The clinic reeked of animal urine, courtesy of the cats that were allowed to roam (and defecate) freely. Furniture and blankets were stained with blood. Instruments were not properly sterilized. Disposable medical supplies were not disposed of; they were reused, over and over again. Medical equipment – such as the defibrillator, the EKG, the pulse oximeter, the blood pressure cuff – was generally broken; even when it worked, it wasn’t used. The emergency exit was padlocked shut. And scattered throughout, in cabinets, in the basement, in a freezer, in jars and bags and plastic jugs, were fetal remains. It was a baby charnel house.

The people who ran this sham medical practice included no doctors other than Gosnell himself, and not even a single nurse. Two of his employees had been to medical school, but neither of them were licensed physicians….Among the rest of the staff, there was no one with any medical licensing or relevant certification at all. But that didn’t stop them from making diagnoses, performing procedures, administering drugs.

The AP story says that women from the NJ suburbs were ushered into slightly cleaner areas of the clinic for their late term abortions because they were wealthier and more likely to file a complaint.

It’s outrageous that women get treated like subhuman animals by these criminals and by the states themselves that force the more desperate and poor to wait until it’s too late before they have the money to undergo these unsafe and unsanitary procedures.  As the indictment says, “Pennsylvania is not a third world country” but this is where the antiabortion fanatics are taking us.  And it’s not like they don’t know better.  Many of the most fervent antiabortion foes are women my mom’s age who grew up in the 50’s and 60’s and have no illusions about what they are forcing on younger, desperate women.  You have to wonder what is motivating them to force us back to the bad old days.  But abortions will never end no matter how illegal they are.  This clinic gives us living proof of what is to come.  It is inevitable and Roe v. Wade can not stand in its way.  Ironically, Roe may be exacerbating the situation because it is easy to chip away at the exercise of reproductive rights without actually taking Roe away.  Roe is an incredibly weak and polarizing law. Women have to stop relying on it and refight this battle all over again using stronger arguments, laws and even an equal rights amendment.  Until then, expect to find a lot more of these clinics showing up in the news.

Joe Lieberman is retiring.  yay.  This news is anticlimactic.  He’s done his bit for the insurance industry and now he can leave.  Great.  Don’t let the door hit ya’:

Lieberman’s decision “enables him for the next two years to be an honest broker between Democrats and Republicans on issues that matter to him (stop laughing)— on national security, the debt issue and the environment,” said a Lieberman aide who spoke on the condition of anonymity because a formal announcement had not been made.

Kent Conrad, a blue dog from North Dakota, is also retiring.  Stu Rothenberg says that this will make it harder for the Democrats to keep their majority in the Senate.

What majority?  Last session, they had a filibuster proof 60 seats and it *still* wasn’t enough.  To have a real majority, any party has to out number the Republicans by a ratio of roughly 2:1. (Sorry, Tea Party lurkers.  You can’t join with Republicans to make them listen to you.  They are not on your side and haven’t been in about a century.) So, the loss of Lieberman and Rothenberg doesn’t mean squat.  The Democrats and the country has to get really serious about tossing Republicans out if they want to get stuff done for average Americans.  Prophylactic:  If you don’t like Democrats that much in majority, there’s no law that says you can’t start another party that can form a coalition with the Democrats to make Republicans a minority party for generations to come.  It’s a given that there will be substantial push back from both parties but, realistically, what choice is there?  You can either whine about it or do something about it.  Don’t like to vote for either party?  Field your own candidates.

In more promising news, Roche and Plexxicon have developed a new melanoma drug that significantly prolongs life, at least temporarily.  Of course, the clinical trials come with a price.  Some of the most desperately ill patients were given placebo.  This is a harsh but necessary reality in the discovery of new drugs.  The good news is that the FDA asked the companies involved to expedite the analysis of the trials so that patients in the placebo arm of the trial could cross over and receive the therapy.  So, kudos to Plexxicon and Roche- for now.  Don’t look over your shoulders, guys. Oncology R&D is very competitive right now and we’re all very busy.  Bwahahahahahhhhhh!

The NYTimes has a photo essay on the unemployed of Rockford, Illinois and links it to a story on how the White House is right on that unemployment thing!  uh-huh.  Where have I been hearing that the SOTU address is going to emphasize the deficit and shock doctrine solutions?

LOTs of good stuff in science today:

Nanopolymers can twist themselves into braid like structures.  Tres cool.

A new paper in Nature uncovers the process of transcription from DNA to RNA in the cell:

The main way the genome is “read” in a cell is through its transcription into RNA, the researchers explained. Until now, scientists have been able to detect which RNAs were produced, but have had a limited view of how much of the genome was being decoded, or “transcribed,” or what controls how fast these RNAs are made. The new technique enables them to watch this process directly.

“This lets you capture the cell in the process of turning the DNA into RNA at unprecedented resolution,” said Jonathan S. Weissman, PhD, a professor in the UCSF Department of Cellular and Molecular Pharmacology and senior author on the paper. “Before, we were typically studying the end product. Now, we can directly watch how these RNA messages are produced in vivo.”

And astronomers are busily coloring the night sky.  Coming soon to an app near you!

And now for something musical to get your mind humming throughout the day:

Please note:  This is a Palin free post and thread.

65 Responses

  1. everyone who’s anyone, in some companies, has to be calling a meeting of their very own.

    Corporate meetings aren’t about getting things done, they are about visibility and asserting status and preening before higher-ups. Some kind of primate-like behavior, probably.

  2. The most important invention of the 21st century: Downy Wrinkle Releaser.

    • YES! – Discovered this about two months ago – HOLY COW! – bye bye Iron (well, not completely, but mostly).

  3. And when we toss ’em, we’ve got to replace them with people having FDR sensibilities and strengths.

    At least 8 inches snow fell last night and I’ve got another day of babysitting for grandchild. School was called off today so instead of afternoon-sitting we’re doing morning sitting. Yikes! Gotta go shovel snow.

    • 8 inches!! We were snow-free yesterday, but the day before I had what looked and felt like unflavored slurpee on the driveway … that was really heavy to shovel.
      We’ll get a few inches tonight I think.

    • combine the grandbaby sitting and the snow shoveling. Make the kid do it. The younger the better, little kids love to help with adult chores.
      That snow you got is heading this way I guess. We are supposed to have about that amount starting tonight.

    • Babysitting called off!!! Yay!! Mom’s office closed for the day.

      They caught us just in time.

  4. Why can’t we shop around for out own IT vendors, especially if our business unit performs a particular kind of function with our computers that is 95% different than the typical Microsoft Excel user?

    I know what their answer will be: “blah blah blah security blah blah blah upgrades blah versioning blah blah maintenance blah blah service levels blah blah blah.”

    • Yes, those are the arguments that are made to upper level management, who never gets to hear about how impossible it is to get things done.
      And yet, I could provide solid documentation that refutes every one of those arguments reagarding versioning, maintenance and especially security. Before the say they need absolute control, they ought to prove they are serious about doing it and are capable. Otherwise, We should scout a couple trusted vendors who could disconnect in silico units from the
      network so we could get work done.

      • It’s all excuses.
        You are exactly right that you need an upper mgt dood on your side if you want it to happen.

      • So, the moral would be that the CEO decision making process has nothing to do with the overall health of the corporation they run?

        I’m shocked, shocked. I wonder what basis of their decision making could be, then?

        Nobody who honestly believes that government should be run like a business has ever worked for a large corporation…

      • Very nice round up, RD.

        You can outsource your IT dept. Other companies have done so. There are serious risks, however, with confidentiality and there may be no improvement in quality.

        “Don’t like to vote for either party? Field your own candidates.” If President Obama is not challenged in a primary, does this mean we can write in “Riverdaughter”? ;->


        • Are you nuts? I wouldn’t vote for me. I can’t execute My way out of a paper bag.

          • Well, I know you already have a job. But sensible candidates are few and far between. I am still hoping for (but not expecting) a primary.


    • And don’t forget training…. The staff is NEVER going to learn an updated browser without massive staff-training!!! And the cost of that in time/money ….. (staggers off to faint)

      • Oh yeah — training!

      • Well, if THAT’S true, wouldn’t we save money by replacing the old browser people with a whole set of new browser people? Or does adapt or die only apply to the people who actually innovate?

        • It’s not adapt or die in the corporate world — it’s “svck up or die”.

        • That actually happened in the Library world when we converted to digital records and automated catalogs. A large percentage of librarians retired early because the just couldn’t take it.

          But, it was great for people like me.

    • Our Uni just got a new email system for all campuses. The only people who like the thing (Micro$oft Exchange) are the few (like 2%) administrators. And EVERY time someone complains about it they get the same answer…’but it has a calendar function!’ I think I know of 3 people who try to use the function, and it confuses and pisses off the rest.

      My point is the ELITE make the decisions for all us lowly people, even if you don’t want or care or even have the opportunity or need to use what they just purchased in their Swiss Chalet retreat,,,

  5. REALITY!!

    ( Health Care Budget Deficit Calculator — http://www.cepr.net/calculators/hc/hc-calculator.html )

    ( Briefing: Dean Baker on Boosting the Economy by Saving Healthcare http://t.co/fmVz8nM )


    As you all know. Had congress passed a government-run robust Public Option CHOICE! available to everyone on day one, our economy and jobs would have taken off like a rocket. And still will.

    The message from the midterm elections is clear. The American people want real healthcare reform. They want that individual mandate requiring them to buy private health insurance abolished. And they want a government-run robust public option CHOICE! available to everyone on day one. And they want it now.

    They want Drug re-importation, and abolishment, or strong restrictions on patents for biologic and prescription drugs. And government controlled and negotiated drug and medical cost. They want back control of their healthcare system from the Medical Industrial Complex. And they want it NOW!


    For profit health insurance is extremely unethical, and morally repugnant. It’s as morally repugnant as slavery was. And few if any decent Americans are going to allow them-self to be compelled to support such an unethical and immoral crime against humanity.

    This is a matter of National and Global security. There can be NO MORE EXCUSES.

    Further, we want that corrupt, undemocratic filibuster abolished. Whats the point of an election if one corrupt member of congress can block the will of the people, and any legislation the majority wants. And do it in secret. Give me a break people.

    Also, unemployment healthcare benefits are critically needed. But they should be provided through the Medicare program at cost, less the 65% government premium subsidy provided now to private for profit health insurance.

    Congress should stop wasting hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money on private for profit health insurance subsidies. Subsidies that cost the taxpayer 10x as much or more than Medicare does. Private for profit health insurance plans cost more. But provide dangerous and poorer quality patient care.



    This is what the American people are shouting at you. Both parties have just enough power now to do what the American people want. GET! IT! DONE! NOW!

    If congress does not abolish the individual mandate. And establish a government-run public option CHOICE! before the end of 2011. EVERY! member of congress up for reelection in 2012 will face strong progressive pro public option, and anti-individual mandate replacement candidates.

    Strong progressive pro “PUBLIC OPTION” CHOICE! and anti-individual mandate volunteer candidates should begin now. And start the process of replacing any and all members of congress that obstruct, or fail to add a government-run robust PUBLIC OPTION CHOICE! before the end of 2011.

    We need two or three very strong progressive volunteer candidates for every member of congress that will be up for reelection in 2012. You should be fully prepared to politically EVISCERATE EVERY INCUMBENT that fails or obstructs “THE PUBLIC OPTION”. And you should be willing to step aside and support the strongest pro “PUBLIC OPTION” candidate if the need arises.

    ASSUME CONGRESS WILL FAIL and SELLOUT again. So start preparing now to CUT THEIR POLITICAL THROATS. You can always step aside if they succeed. But only if they succeed. We didn’t have much time to prepare before these midterm elections. So the American people had to use a political shotgun approach. But by 2012 you will have a scalpel.

    Congress you could have pass a robust government-run public option during your lame duck session. You knew what the American people wanted. You already had several bills on record. And the house had already passed a public option. Departing members could have left with a truly great accomplishment. And the rest of you could have solidified your job before the 2012 elections.

    President Obama, you promised the American people a strong public option available to everyone. And the American people overwhelmingly supported you for it. Maybe it just wasn’t possible before. But it is now.

    Knock heads. Threaten people. Or do whatever you have to. We will support you. But get us that robust public option CHOICE! available to everyone on day one before the end of 2011. Or We The People Of The United States will make this midterm election look like a cake walk in 2012. And it will include you.

    We still have a healthcare crisis in America. With hundreds of thousands dieing needlessly every year in America. And a for profit medical industrial complex that threatens the security and health of the entire world. They have already attacked the world with H1N1 killing thousands, and injuring millions. And more attacks are planned for profit, and to feed their greed.

    Spread the word people.

    Progressives, prepare the American peoples scalpels. It’s time to remove some politically diseased tissues.

    God Bless You my fellow human beings. I’m proud to be one of you. You did good.

    See you on the battle field.


    jacksmith – WorkingClass 🙂

    • But by 2012 you will have a scalpel.
      Knock heads. Threaten people. Or do whatever you have to. [….]
      Progressives, prepare the American peoples scalpels.


      ZZZT! Violent language warning.

      Whaddaya mean it’s just a mettaapph-whatsit? Ya gotta be Accountable!

  6. Super Dave pic FTW!

    “HOLY $#!+, MY LIFE IS OVER!” :mrgreen:

  7. Crossposting a mini-rant that occured to me while browsing the news:

    Something that really annoys me is designers who encourage their high-profile clients wear absolutely hideous clothes. It really isn’t fair to the client.

    Whatever happened to designing clothes that suit and enhance the person?

  8. From roughly the same era as Super Dave, this might be a good song for the MBAs and other hyper-ambitious folks to meditate on:

    • It’s “Peace of Mind” by Boston. Fornicating corporations and their dinosaur mentality! 😡

      • At least you can click a link and listen to it. Just don’t read the comment thread unless you feel like slumming. 😛

  9. Commenting on IT depts…I happen to work in one of those at a major hospital. The trend for the past several years has been to buy “pre-packaged” software and try to fit that square peg into that round hole. That begins with our analysis, then goes on to the administrators to “negotiate” with the company that makes said software. They promise to make changes (we then get to do all the grunt work) for a price and without fail, when the final product comes out it is about 3 times as expensive as they agreed upon. Then, when we discover this “new and improved” version still doesn’t work very well, they want to charge us even more money to “customize” it.

    So, it’s not just you users out there that get to suffer…it’s also the programmers and hardware techs who have endless days of trying to make something work that ultimately won’t work…at least not well. Then, we get all the complaints and our hands are tied when it comes to improvements.

    This cycle takes approximately 5 years…after which, the hospital decides its time to do it all over again. Fun times, fer sure.

    • But committing money to build it from scratch in-house is always considered “too expensive and time-consuming.”

      • Biggest joke in the industry. The consultants always make out like bandits leaving users and app maintenance people holding the bag.

    • Hehe. I work for one of the major software vendors which make the square pegs, courtesy of specifications largely drawn from marketing. It’s not much fun on this side of the street either.

      One of the issues is that “big” software is sold at the CIO or CEO level, where no technical knowledge usually resides, but they know the rhetoric. Thus the square peg for the round hole problem origination point.

      • Yup, around here it is frequently a well connected and funded doctor who makes the right complaint and recommendation to the right committee and presto chango – new software! This has happened to me multiple times during my career here…and as a user, I completely sympathize and understand.

        Seems like a one size fits all mentality rules the universe…originality just isn’t coooool anymore.

        • Sad part is that we could make the peg round just as easily, but the specs say square. Or the software is from some company which was purchased and we have to munge it in with existing frameworks, another fun ride.

    • Yep, BFF was one of the grunts put on one of those projects. You’re right. BFFs software was used by everyone but it was done by a rogue programmer in chemistry rather than the professionals. Consulting company called in, subcontractors hired, specs written. 5 years later, after BFF was removed from maintaining his own app to work in consultant’s app, the thing has gone over budget, didn’t meet specs, forced BFF to rewrite a lot of it and the company still laid him off.
      The new and not improved app survived.
      There’s no justice in this world.

  10. I don’t know how I missed this, but it’s too good not to share:

    Remember Obama’s house in Chicago? The “Release of Mortgage” was robosigned. So the paperwork is fraudulent. BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!

    (That doesn’t mean that Obama’s personally guilty of fraud in the signing; what it does mean is that fraud is systemic, and Obama is personally guilty of not doing anything about it, or even using the word “fraud,” and personally guilty of calling the fraudsters “savvy businessmen” and taking their bribes, er, campaign contributions.

    • What house in Chicago? You aren’t bringing up Rezko, are you? You must be some kind of raysist. /snark

  11. So is this hate speech and will it inspire violence against women?


    • Seriously? No comments? Your Liberal conditioning/training is amazing. Would this be hate speech if the sexualized dead people were black men or Jewish men? Would it inspire violence against them?

      • Well, I just have this aversion to clicking the video just from the still that is on it. But yeah, just from the general description I think it’s horrible and hateful.

      • OR some of us are at work and can’t spend all day reading posts.

    • Disgusting. I think it is hate speech, and yes it will engender a mindset in the popular culture that will lead to worse treatment and easier violence against women. It’s not prosecutable and Kanye and company of course know that, so he keeps pushing the envelope, hiding behind free speech standards and protections. He’s been pulling pranks like this ever since his idiotic move on stage with Taylor Swift. With the exception of a some women’s groups like New Agenda, few are pushing back. I haven’t seen the post wave feminists calling this out. We live in the age of progressive sexism.

  12. RD, I don’t mean to laugh but your opener is too funny. I remember those, and the IT gig from Newspaper days. Ugh. The stupidity of those endless meetings.

    ps: On that clinic. Horror. This is the kind of thing that used to be called a “women’s issue” — it seems that women on both sides of political parties ought to join around things like that.

    “My pet peeve is borg like IT departments who seem determined to make you fit into their one-size-fits-all computer build, forcing you to do endless workarounds that impact productivity, which the MBAs are always screaming about. ”

    nailed once again!

    hugs RD & Co.

  13. I’m running between meetings so I can’t link, but there is a huge raid today in the city and environs on the five big mob families. Who knew they still existed. Thought they had retired. As to the SOTU next week, NYTimes magazine says BO will unveil his new economic vision: competitiveness. Sounds like Reaganomics. I’m starting to think BO is emulating Reagan because he needs working class voters in Middle America…formerly known as Reagan Dems. But we no longer live in the 80s…economic factors and issues are very different. We need an FDR Dem in the WH, not Reagan. That is where everyone’s populist energies should be going and converging imo. The anti-rich platform. It doesn’t need to be more complicated than that.

  14. Women have to stop relying on [Roe] and refight this battle all over again using stronger arguments, laws and even an equal rights amendment.

    Obama’s DOJ would just say “Equal rights no problem. Men can’t get abortions either.”

  15. With respect, riverdaughter, I grew up in the fifties and sixties. I’m sixty -not quite old enough to be your mother-in fact, I have a sister your age.
    I was under the impression that the women of my generation and our older sisters were the ones who fought like hell to secure reproductive rights for ourselves and generations to come.
    From where I stand, it’s the women in their thirties and younger who have dropped the ball.
    And that’s, of course, a generalization.

    • I kind of agree…I was in the fight, however the older sister wasn’t. My daughter laughs and rolls her eyes at my “feminist” rants (her words). However, she is still a baby – only 17 – so much to learn.

    • I dont know if we disagree all that much about who dropped the ball but I’m pretty sure that older fox news viewing females are the ones motivated to go to the polls to vote republican simply on the abortion issue alone.

  16. Has it really been only 2 years since The Greek Columns of styrO ?
    I don’t know if I can take another 2 years of this.

  17. So you hate IT departments ? And you hate MBAs?

    Oh my.

    – An MBA who works for IT Departments


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