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Call me crazy, but . . .

Unless things change dramatically in the next two years there is a pretty good chance that the question in 2012 won’t be “Will the Republicans win?” but instead will be “Which Republican will win?” It could be very much like 2008 when it was obvious that the Democrats could (and did) nominate an empty suit and win.

So if Obama is running unopposed for reelection and there is a close contest for the Republican nomination, wouldn’t it behoove us to try to affect the outcome of the GOP primary?

Now the conventional wisdom among the creative class types would be to try to ratfuck the Republicans by registering as “GOPers for a Day” and voting for their worst candidate, hoping to make it easy for Obama to win that November.

But if that worst candidate were to win in November, then whose rat got fucked?

I’m not suggesting any dirty tricks here, I’m just saying we should keep an open mind as to some strategic voting. Protest voting is okay, but I’d rather know my vote made a difference.

Call me crazy, but one day when I vote I’d like to have to choose between good and better instead of good and bad or bad and worse. Right now I’m not optimistic about seeing anything good on my ballot in 2012.

This is an open thread

58 Responses

  1. I tend to think that Palin is the lesser of the current crop of Republican weevils. She DID govern moderately, she’s not blatantly in the pocket of big business (even if I hate her economic policy stances), she seems to genuinely care about the middle class, and she gets bonus points for being a woman.

    But I’m still holding out hope for a Dem primary challenge.

    • Agreed.
      And I’m keeping my Dem registration so I can write Hillary in on Primary day.

    • I don’t think Sarah Palin will kick her supporters in the teeth( a la Barack Obama) and she hangs out with some pretty scary people with pretty scary ideas these days.

      • True. I respect Palin as a person, but I don’t like the ideological company she keeps sometimes.

  2. You’re assuming they care about governance. It’s pretty apparent to me that they don’t (or they all would’ve supported a different candidate in ’08).

  3. If you are looking for a Republican, Olympia Snowe is about as good as it gets…on both sides of the aisle.

  4. >>the conventional wisdom among the creative class types would be to try to ratfuck the Republicans by registering as “GOPers for a Day” and voting for their worst candidate

    And isn’t that exactly what the GOP did in 2008? And believe they helped Obama get elected, too.

    They wanted to blame all of Bush’s failures on him, which they are now doing quite successfully, with his eager assistance.

    Carolyn Kay

  5. Ooohhh… Despite the assumption to this hypothetical that Hillary doesn’t assume the helm (come on gal!), I like this scenario. So very much! Because the crazed drooling sexists that compose the demies now would so-so-so!! choose to repub for a day (forgetting that they have become full time repubs in their groveling Obama addiction already) for Palin believing her to be the weakest opponent for Oturd (sorry, couldn’t help myself with oturd slur). And I do think that if palin gets over the hump (or humpers- as they may be) in the repub “leadership”- she’d mop the floor with the icky president- posing guy.

  6. The 2000 election helped ruin the party with anti-Bush “progressives” taking all the wrong lessons. Here was another: just like the GOP, the DP realized it could even get away with nominating a trained chimp.

    This is sooo the Bush III administration.

    • I saw the same thing. They thought that being a “media darling” like Bush was all it took forgetting that they are disasters when it comes to governing.

  7. You’re crazy! Sorry couldn’t help it. I’m reduced to grasping at anything to add a little humor…very little humor.

  8. Democrats in Kansas have done this for years — Lots of People who’ve been long Democrats become republicans when they move here — just to vote in the only primary that counts.

    • Maryland evens out Kansas. Here the Democratic primary is just about the general election, so Republicans either register as Democrats or don’t get any real say in the elections.

  9. One and done: To be a great president, Obama should not seek reelection in 2012

    President Obama must decide now how he wants to govern in the two years leading up to the 2012 presidential election.

    In recent days, he has offered differing visions of how he might approach the country’s problems. At one point, he spoke of the need for “mid-course corrections.” At another, he expressed a desire to take ideas from both sides of the aisle. And before this month’s midterm elections, he said he believed that the next two years would involve “hand-to-hand combat” with Republicans, whom he also referred to as “enemies.”

    It is clear that the president is still trying to reach a resolution in his own mind as to what he should do and how he should do it.

    This is a critical moment for the country. From the faltering economy to the burdensome deficit to our foreign policy struggles, America is suffering a widespread sense of crisis and anxiety about the future. Under these circumstances, Obama has the opportunity to seize the high ground and the imagination of the nation once again, and to galvanize the public for the hard decisions that must be made. The only way he can do so, though, is by putting national interests ahead of personal or political ones.

    To that end, we believe Obama should announce immediately that he will not be a candidate for reelection in 2012.

    If he promises not to run again I’ll chip in for a plaque that says he was the greatest president ever.

    • President Obama must decide now how he wants to govern in the two years leading up to the 2012 presidential election.

      They misspelled “if”.

    • Oh that article is such crap sorry to say. The only thing that they get right is that Obama should not run for reelection. They naively think that the red/blue divides in this country can be healed. As someone who lives in the heart of red country, the divides will not be “healed”. What has to happen is that the GOP has to be utterly and completely defeated and relegated to the scrap bin of history.

      • Who’s going to defeat them though?

        The Democrats we have now?


        At this point it appears the only viable way to defeat the GOP is to let them win and defeat themselves by actually having to implement the crap they say(and we all know how THAT has turned out for the rest of us after a decade of GOP rule,)

        So again the questions becomes Hades in a handbasket at 60 MPH or full throttle.

        • Well, the let them hang themselves rule hasn’t worked too good so far.

          I agree that the current crop of Dems couldn’t fight if their life depended on it so that’s why I’m hoping a fighter emerges from somewhere.

    • I’ll spring for a ceremonial waffle.

    • The election in 08 was the most important in a lifetime, simply because of the 2 wars, the econ crisis, the tidal wave of support for global climate change legislation and a host of other monumental problems facing us and getting worse by the moment..

      The Obots and the tingle licking media pi$$ed it away with that sickening trope of the historic skin color meme.

      Anyone with half a brain saw that we needed to make swift and monumental change…but we entrusted the Ark to a newbie with a historic skin color?
      Have we lost our minds ?


  10. Oh I wouldn’t dare call you crazy. Strategic voting is a good idea in many cases. Hell, I even thought to myself that if those asshats are going to keep vote cheating at caucuses maybe they ought to get a taste of their own medicine cuz I can take a packet and write down fifty dead people’s names as good as the next ex democrat. lol…The ONLY thing that stops me is that voting rights are my line in the sand. Otherwise if I saw that crap again I’d give as good as I got. And should I ever caucus again nobody at all better get in my face either. I WILL take somebody out!! I grew up in Oklahoma and Arkansas. I was not raised to be a delicate little flower by any means. I’m not going to be intimidated or watch while someone else is. So they can cut that “by any means necessary” crap out or don’t be surprised when it doesn’t work out so well next time.

    I’m looking at how I vote very carefully. I likely will NOT ever vote republican…though with this man in there what is the difference. We’ll see what happens in my state. I’m likely going third party again. My vote goes to Arkansas so I can get away with that as they will go GOP nearly every time UNLESS HILLARY RUNS. Then we will do as we did in the primary and give her seventy percent of our votes.

    Arkansas ran some pretty viable Green party people in the mid terms for some offices and I was pleased to see it. They didn’t win but, it was notable they got way more votes than they usually do. Democrats were NOT voting for democrats there this time….by a much bigger margin.

    It should be interesting to see the kabuki theater and memes coming out of Obama’s face and the media during the next couple of years. The narcissist doesn’t get it that most people don’t want him to run and doesn’t care. So we will all have to suffer another Obama election process. Goddess help us all. You are right , we need to get ready now.

    • I voted for Arkansas’s incumbent Democratic governor because I think he’s been doing a decent job.

      Other than that, I only voted D when the only alternative was R. I voted Green where I could vote Green, except for the Governor’s race–and I have nothing against the Green candidate for that position. :mrgreen:

  11. So, you’re writing about how much of a player Sarah Palin is and now suggesting voting Republican?

    Burn him!

    No, seriously. It’s important to look at the political landscape for the next two years. Who wants to vote in a primary with one awful candidate on the ballot? Might as well vote for one of many bad candidates.

  12. Miranda Lambert won FOUR CMA awards the other night:

  13. Well, I won’t be contributing any votes to Palin or anyone who is espousing the Republican gobbledy gook that I hear bandied about these days about how government is TEH EVIL and private entities are trustworthy entities that we should pour our tax dollars into instead.

    If it comes down to Obama and the GOP then I will likely write in Sen. Sanders.
    I agreed with the guy on the bailouts. I thought he was the strongest of the Dem negotiaters on health care and this way when I get called a socialist for voting for him it might actually be a somewhat credible charge.

    At this juncture I’m not ready to vote bad or worse.

  14. I don’t believe in the karma stuff, being a good Catholic girl. But sometimes it does seem like bad stuff happens to bad people. Maybe, because they are bad people and they do a lot of bad things.

    Jack Johnson was a PLEDGED delegate for Hillary Clinton. While Obama won the Maryland primary, lots of people LIKE ME voted for Hillary and our votes were supposed to be represented at the convention by pledged delegates. A few days after Clinton named Johnson (who is the County Executive of Prince George’s County) as one of these delegates, he decided that Obama was a better choice and announced that he was switching. http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/pledged-delegate-switches-to-obama.html

    Well fast forward to today. Johnson and his wife were arrested by Federal agents and charged with destruction of evidence. Charges involving bribery dating back to 2006 (while he was doing the old switcharo) are pending. Today the Feds have recordings of him telling his wife not to open the door for the Feds and instructing her to flush a check for $15,000 down the toilet (which she did) and putting cash in her bra (which she did $79,600!!) http://www.wbaltv.com/politics/25773307/detail.html The video of the newsreporter is priceless, I can’t wait for the TV movie.

    While Mr. Johnson was termed limited out of his job and due to be replaced in December. Mrs. Johnson was just elected to a spot on the County Council.

    • Talk about a padded bra!

    • Funny, jon corzine stole my primary vote for Hillary Clinton, then he ran for relection..I believe in karma. Betcha jon does too!

    • Oh, this is a world where plenty of bad things happen to good people, and vice versa.

      The idea that the unfortunate deserve their misfortunes is strong on the Right.

      That way you should not think. To the Dark Side that road leads. Consume you it will! 😮

  15. Well Ga has an open primary and I plan to vote in it right now unless Obama has a primary opponent which it looks like he won’t.

    I would vote for the despicable Romney right now because he doesn’t have any core values and is the R version of Obama. Let the GOP reap what they sow by wanting Obama.

    • We’re all stuck with the winner.

      Although the difference between the two parties appears to be going to Hades in a Handbasket at 60 miles an hour or putting the pedal to the metal and doing 120 to get there.

      • What is the difference between Romney and Obama? I don’t see too much simply because neither one has any core values.

        Romney is just like Obama in the sense that he tells every group he is in front of what they want to hear.

  16. If there is a Democratic primary here in PA I’ll vote for or write in Hillary. If there isn’t I’ll write her in at the general election as a protest.

    As to 2012, the die is cast, republicans will control all three branches and the Democrat minority will be worthless.

  17. Lisa Murkowski is about to win with a write-in. Just sayin’

  18. “DALLAS — Sarah Palin fired up a crowd of about 800 abortion-rights opponents by calling President Barack Obama “the most pro-abortion president to occupy the White House” and criticizing his health-care reform legislation.”

    She did a fund raiser for the very anti abortion rights group “The Susan B. Anthony List” in D.C. back in May…she also spoke to a similar anti abortion rights group in Wisconsin.

    Here’s more.
    “Palin described Obama as “the most pro-abortion president to occupy the White House” at the Dallas event, which was sponsored by a nonprofit organization that promotes an anti-abortion message. The 2008 Republican vice-presidential nominee also said the federal health care law is the “mother of all unfunded mandates” and means federal funding will go toward abortions. ”

    Now if she actually is against abortion but, would never legislate from that position why is she going around to all these rabid anti choice groups to drum up support?

    She says she is a “centrist” in some ways but, she’s G.O.P. teaparty and I just don;t trust a thing they ever have done or said. I would have believed she would never legislate from that position were she not pandering to these rabid groups like she is. They will back her and she will have to play ball.

    I’m sadly not counting her out but, I don’t think it will be a happy day in mudville if she wins…the day after the mid terms I got an email from the SBA group. Their website is disgusting. i don’t know how ANY woman could suck up to them as a political platform. No woman I would ever vote for anyway.

    • This why I will not vote for her even though in 2008 I thought she was a fine VP candidate.

      The rhethoric is extreme, unhelpful and truthy.

  19. As me has written in a previous post, if the Republicans do to Sarah Palin what the democrats did to Hillary Clinton, she must be ready to bolt the Republican Party and form her own party with her party taking centrist position and wooing us centrists.

    We have not had a leader since Bill Clinton, and as the midterm election showed, we are a force to be reckoned with. Too bad the Liberal Left threw us under the bus and alienated us.

    • Palin is not and will NEVER be a centrist; she has no desire to woo centrists and if that were even a possibility many of us would consider voting for her. She is an EXTREMELY right-wing conservative republican. Plus she already has the tea party as a her backup and her base. That being sad, I do not see the rep. party doing to her what the dems. did to clinton. What shocked us all in 2008 was the level of misogyny in the dem. party, overflowing, disgusting, hateful, bursting at the seams misogyny and they used a powerful (at the time) weapon against their in-party detractors…labeling them racists. Rep. don’t have the same demography so that tactic wouldn’t work for them, you will start to see more women advancing in the rep. party rather than the dem party.

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