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DT’s Voting Strategy

Background

I won’t forget 2000, 2004, or 2008. Our democracy was tarnished, torn, and battered on those election years. Perhaps we never had the democracy I always thought we had, but I know we don’t have it now. And that cynical, cruel, destructive action from the political machine has nearly destroyed this country.

Of course what made 2008 much worse for us was it was our party. They tore at the very fabric of society and left a large scar we still see today. It wasn’t enough that they cheated in many of the caucuses, hardly democracy anyway. No, they could even stop at that to steal the election. They went the extra mile, rubbing salt in the wounds, by stealing a whole states worth of primary votes, and then when that wasn’t enough for the heartless greedy soulless appetites, they didn’t even have a roll call and count the votes. Clearly for fear that the real winner might somehow still win. On that day we learned they were the same corrupt corporatist machine as the Republicans. No damn difference. They make different noises, and they throw in a few bones, but on the big issues, they’re the same.

Many in the Democratic party where abused, called old, called women (to them an insult by itself), called Republicans anyway, and called racist. They told anyone in the Democratic party, that if they didn’t like what they did at the convention, they could leave. They weren’t wanted, or needed. The New Democratic party had a new coalition now. They were made up of, funny enough, Republicans, mostly moderate, independents, and young people of no particular political persuasion or philosophy because to them it was all about personality and a messiah. They were made up of a solid group of African Americans some of whom were uncomfortable with how things happened, but understandably wanted an African American president more than anything. And on top of this new coalition were the party elites. You know the ones. The ones that never really liked that working class people were in their party. Never were really comfortable with, you know, little people. And funny enough, mostly white upperclass “progressives” that aren’t comfortable with people of color either, but this new choice gave them what they thought was a get out of bigot jail free card. But make no mistake, the party elite don’t particularly like the members of the new coalition any more than they liked the old group.

So from this, we got a New Democratic president and a supermajority in both houses of congress. Almost unprecedented power not seen in quite a while. With that power and by the winning margins, they had a large mandate to be and do anything different that Bush. They could have easily wiped out injustice in our laws towards women and LBGT and minorities. They could have reformed health care, bringing in at a minimum a public option. They could have made great strides economically with FDR style work stimulus programs. They could have performed a miracle not seen since FDR himself. But what did we get? We got none of that. We got the most cynical health care bill that does the opposite of what it should. It forces people to buy private insurance with massive loopholes allowing no caps and still the ability of the insurance company to effectively kick you out of your plan when you get sick. It puts more power and money in the hands of insurance companies. It is in a word, criminal. And we’ve seen us move backwards in women’s rights. And for DADT, we see the courts pushing forward and this very president pushing us backwards. And that’s nothing compared to the continuation of spying on Americans, wars, and now hit lists of American citizens.

Lessons Learned

The bottom line, the last four years of this same group running congress and the last two years of our president, has been as bad as the other party. Make no mistake, it makes me very sad to say that. My former party has unabashedly become puppets to the corporatists, and they don’t even hide it any more. They make it clear with their actions and sadly even often with their words, that they don’t care about Americans or American. Same as the other party. These two parties are both bad for America. And the saddest thing I’ve noticed, I think this new found power of this New Democratic party makes them even more susceptible to doing the bidding of the oligarchy because they so desperately want to hold on to the power normally granted to the other party.

And so, I resigned from my party of more years than I care to remember. That party does not represent me. Sadly for me there isn’t a major party that represents me. So I am independent. I’m proud to be a liberal independent.

Strategy Basics

Now that I’ve set the stage for you, met me say a bit about my voting strategy. Firstly, party affiliation is irrelevant to me. Those are clearly nothing more than tribes or gangs or country clubs. They mean nothing. As we have sadly learned. As far as I can tell, you can’t tell an individuals values from the party or lack of party to which they belong. You can make some guesses that a Democrat might be more to the left on many issues than a Republican. But you could easily be wrong. So I discount that.

So what’s left. Like with picking a presidential candidate during the primaries, you look at their experience, their record, you watch and listen, and you analyze. You look at who their supporters are, who they associate with, and who their backers are. Some of those are hard to find. But you dig anyway. Sometimes you meet them or see them at rallies. You try not to be taken in by celebrity or charisma or outward looks and charm. That’s not what you’re hiring them for. You do your homework. No one is going to be the same as you on all issues. And sadly I think the longer a politician is in office, the less likely they’ll have integrity and any semblance of what’s best for their constituents. It very quickly becomes about holding power and doing what the powerful want. So how long someone has been in office is a major factor, no matter how much you may think you like them.

Candidate Choices

First there are zillions of candidates and other choices on ballots. So there can be a lot of work. I do look at some organizations material showing their choices and why. We’ve all learned to be wary of such organizations because they have their own agendas. They’re not in it for you, they’re in it for themselves. So verify.

If you’re lucky, you have some choices. If there are more than two party candidates, you may even have some very good choices. Green or other liberal parties often have good choices. Sometimes independents are great. And on occasion the New Democratic party candidate might be great. Sestak comes to mind.

And as mentioned above, how long they’ve been in office is a major factor for me. Perhaps there could be a formula for this that takes away points for every year they’re in office. And then maybe points for matching issues, and independence of funding, etc., etc. We’ll leave that for another post.

Alas, what happens when there isn’t a good choice. What do you do? You can either vote for the lesser of two evils, write in Elvis, or something else.

Other Factors – The Protest Vote

Finally, there is indeed another dimension to this. The something else mentioned above. If you don’t have a great candidate, which sadly is often, there is the protest vote. This can be either to punish or mess up the tribe you’re more likely to be aligned with politically, say Democrats, or it can be to just generally fuck with the two main parties and keep them changing and scrambling. That is, throw wrenches in the works to slow them down.

Why would you consider doing this? After all, the other party is at least 2% more evil. Wouldn’t that help them? Yes, yes it would. And yes, they are a bit more evil. I’m a liberal, and to me, that’s still true despite what we’ve seen happen to the Democratic party. But that’s not the point. Let me put that another way, THAT’S NOT THE POINT! Here’s the point. And we’ve made this point a million times at this blog and still people don’t quite get it. If you will vote for the Democrat over the Republican every time, no matter what, because they are indeed ever so slightly better than the other guy, then why on earth would that party ever, ever, ever listen to you and your wishes and needs? I mean EVER. If they have your vote no matter what, you don’t have any value to them. That’s worth a simpler rephrasing to make sure it sinks in. YOU HAVE NO VALUE IF THEY CAN COUNT ON YOUR VOTE!!!

I think I made that clear. So if you don’t like what your slightly less evil party is doing or your slightly less evil candidate is doing or is about, don’t vote for them. Don’t vote for the lesser evil of the candidates. just don’t vote for them. Don’t do it. Don’t reward that party for putting up crap candidates.

So what choices do you have with your protest. You can actually vote for the other major party. That one is a tough one. Well, not so tough if that candidate is actually relatively moderate. And even on occasion actually more liberal than the one in your party (or closest equivalent). But usually that’s a really tough thing to do. You have to be brave and hold your nose. Now that I think about it, it’s just like how my old party has made me vote for them for years. Come to think of it, they’ve trained me quite well to do that. Not so hard perhaps.

But if that’s too much, another choice is to not vote for either candidate, none of the above if available, or to write in a nonsense candidate. Or, even though mentioned above as a reasonable option, some may consider voting for third party candidates to be in this protest camp. I like that last approach because it’s a twofer. You’re actually voting for someone pretty good, and your protest and and affecting the Democratic party.

My Vote

So what am I going to do. I won’t bore you with all the smaller local candidates like dog catcher or referendums like should we ban coffee houses from using pink whipped cream. OK, I made that one up. But I do have a congressional race to vote for that’s of interest. FYI: Here’s the League of Women Voters sheet on my district ballot (warning, link is to PDF). I get a lovely choice of candidates for congress. (Yes, that’s a snark.) First is the Democrat Tom Perriello who, as you can see from the sheet, is a founder of a number of faith-based organizations. Yes, not just one, but a number. And as you might have guessed, he’s anti-abortion. Worse still, he was an eagle scout. {{Shudder}} So basically a Republican-lite. Then we have Robert Hurt, the real Republican. He really sucks. And third, we have an independent candidate Jeffrey Clark, who is, you guessed it, another Republican. Though at least he was in the Army and did some real work. And I have to admit, I like the part on immigration where he wants to send business men to jail for hiring illegal immigrants. Kind of going against the grain of corporate interests there.

So who am I going to vote for? Well, first the polls seem to be fluctuating between Hurt winning by 5 points to Hurt winning by 10 points. Basically Hurt’s just been running against Obama/Pelosi. And of course as you’d expect from the New Democratic party, Perriello’s been lying about the health care bill (hey, at least he’s trying to defend it I guess), and slinging mud. I can’t vote for Perriello I’ve decided. He’s part of the new coalition that is moving the Democratic party further to the right. But I don’t think I can vote for Hurt. Since it probably doesn’t matter, I’m currently leaning towards Clark just for the protest (of the third party variety). That is, it’s not a good third party candidate where I get a twofer and feel doubly good, but it’s just a protest vote, plan and simple.

November 2nd, The Big Picture

Since others have mentioned their general thoughts on the rest of the elections, I thought I’d do the same. I can’t pretend otherwise, I want this New Democratic party to be dismantled. The new coalition is already falling apart given the poll numbers. The new voters just voting for a personality or messiah are either disillusioned or bored. That’s the thing about new voters, you get what you pay for. And as you’d expect, the Republican’s that joined are back to being Republicans. And it turns out the independents they pulled in are also either disillusioned or bored. None of them seem to be in the coalition any more. And sadly for the Democratic party, they threw out a big part of their base in 2008. So I want them to fall apart. Not because I want Republicans to run the country and destroy it. And sadly that’s possible. But because I don’t want this New Democratic party to destroy the country first. And make no mistake, Obama and Pelosi and Reid will continue down the path of being worse than Bush on a number of fronts and go further by cutting social security and medicare, and education is next after that. I want them out.

So I will not feel bad for them when they lose the House, which I think they will. And I won’t feel bad as they lose some in the senate. I will be very happy to see Reid go. And yes, that means a really scary person would get that seat. I certainly am not for her nor would I vote for her, but I wouldn’t vote for Reid either because he’s only less evil. He has been an utter disaster. He needs to go. And as for Pelosi, what can I say in print after her part in the 2008 primaries. Well, let’s just say I’ll be very happy to see her lose her position and will be happy to see her retire. I’m sure she’ll have fun working for some health insurance lobbyist like may of the other Democrats that leave office.

For predictions, I’m thinking the Republicans will win around 50 seats in the house and about 5 seats in the Senate. Funny enough, that’s been my prediction since the beginning of the mid term season and it hasn’t changed much. We’ll see very soon.

There you have it. My ramblings went a bit long, but that’s my current approach to voting. What’s yours?

85 Responses

  1. Yikes, OK, that s a bit long. Well, it’s a big and rather emotional issue for us independent liberals (or Dems in Exile). But plunge ahead, don’t wait for the movie version. 🙂

  2. Also by the way, since it’s late, consider this a late night open thread. Throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

  3. Throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

    That’s how I sort my laundry.

  4. We must be the only ones up. I liked your post–it made sense, so thanks.

    I already early voted here in Florida. The only D I voted for was governor–Alex Sink. Her opponent is beyond the pale. My hand would have fallen off if I tried to vote for him–really. The rest I either went for unaffiliateds or left them blank. Not a great roster to inspire.

    • That’s a good test in what type of protest vote you can make (if there isn’t a good candidate that is). If you think you will be physically injured, just write in Mickey Mouse instead.

  5. Did ya’ll hear that the Bamster got heckled in Conn. this afternoon. I think it rattled him–he’s so used to adulation.

    • Yea, I watched it on the tube. The look on his face was priceless. What an ass.

      • I saw his speech earlier that morning on MSNBC. A political analyst fell all over himself because Obama wasn’t just blaming the Republicans and trying his “change we need” stuff again. So, I was pretty amused that when he got thrown off his game Obama decided to blame Republicasn again. He can’t even maintina a consistent message for 24 hours.

  6. Gotta go to bed–this is crazy. I always stay up to late, then feel like crud the next day. Night all.

  7. Nice post, DT. Early voting was painful. Outside of Bill White for Gov., I voted anti incumbant or the woman if she was one of the two candidates regardless of party (judges, county officials, etc). The Democratic party kicked me out so I had no reason to vote for Dems.

    Asshats.

    Hillary 2012

    • Thanks. And yes, none of this is fun.

    • I wrote in the last thread — I voted the exact same way –(1) for the female (regardless of party) if the choice was available or (2) if no female running, anti-incumbant.

      And yes, y’all, that means I voted for Republicans in many of the races (mostly female Republicans). I guess that means I’m “bullying” you and/or that I’m a h0m0phobic r@cist. C’est la vie.

      • Politics ain’t beanbag.

      • It was tough to vote republican in ’08. I came back to that page on the voting machine 4 times before I voted for McCain. This time, the entire process took 9 mins and that is only because I had to read the local stuff about 3 times…..

        The Dems should pay for 08 with the jobs.

        • I didn’t have a problem voting for McCain because, of the two men, at least McCain has principles, and even though I might not agree with all of them, that’s a h3ll of a lot more than I can say for Obama.

          Oh, and to Jeralyn & all those other a$$hats who had the death watch on McCain during the GE — MCCAIN IS STILL ALIVE. dumbasses.

          • Oh yea, I forgot about that crap. God those people.

          • Two years ago I said “McCain is the lesser of two evils and Obama is the evil of two lessers.”

          • @myiq — that line was true then & true now.

            @DT — yeah, THOSE people {rolling eyes} I think I’m going to start updating my FB page every day with “McCain is Still Alive A$$holes” (after checking that he is, in fact, still alive). But, I will not do it. But I am going to start voting for Bristol on DWTS — if she wins the disco ball trophy that should teach Jeralyn.

          • That would be funny to have a McCain still alive daily count, just to poke. I think if Bristol won that, heads would certainly ‘splod. I don’t expect her too, but every week she lasts, an Obot loses his wings. 🙂

          • ha!

            I can’t believe Bristol is still in there on DWTS…but I am rooting for her just for the reactions!!!

          • Here, Hear.

        • heart breaking.

      • Nice. That’s a dimension I didn’t address. Darn. Well, it was late. But that’s a really good issue to discuss.

      • I’m with you, angie. I’m voting female down the line as I have done since 2008. It can be a very discouraging strategy as even in NY there are very few female candidates on the ballot.

        Luckily I have a female Dem senator, very outspoken about DADT and other issues close to my hear, and as a bonus she is voted hottest senator (/snark).

        For Gov, I’m voting Green. They are Medicare for all, pro gay marriage, and share many other of my views. I can’t bring myself to vote for a former madam for Governor, Paladino hasn’t a chance in heck (thank goodness, he’s loony tunes), and while the rent IS too d*mn high, I’d rather go green and do my small part to raise their profile.

    • I voted for BIll White, too but I chose 3rd. party over Republican every time, even when the Republican was a woman. The Texas Republican Party is just too damn batshit crazy for me to vote for them, even to punish the Dems–America is a Christian nation, re-criminalize homosexuality, etc. etc.. No way I can support that.

  8. Anglachel quoting Brad DeLong:

    After President Clinton’s 43 percent plurality victory in the presidential election of 1992, I worked as a spear carrier in the U.S. Treasury Department under Secretary Lloyd Bentsen. The plurality view in the Treasury Department throughout 1993 and up through the middle of 1994 regarding the health-care reform situation had six analytical pieces:

    (1) There were not even 50 votes available in the U.S. Senate for any health-care reform bill sponsored by President Clinton. It did not matter what the bill included or how good the policy might be, because key Democratic senators placed a higher priority on teaching the hick from Arkansas that he was not their boss; they were determined to vote against it. Thus even though the Democrats had a majority in the Senate, they could not pass Clinton’s bill—whatever it was—even if the Republicans did not filibuster it.

    • And yet they compare this administration, who was chomping at the bit to help him pass whatever he wanted, to that of Clinton in1992-94.

      Asshats.

    • But wait, I thought the MSM and his party pampered him, even more than they do Obama. /snark

  9. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101030/ap_on_el_gu/us_clinton_ohio_governor

    Here is an idea for a post. How many times during 2008 did the obots say that Clinton politics was dead? Or how many times did they say that the Clinton era was over? I guess good government doesn’t have an expiration date, huh?

    Asshats.

    Hillary 2012

  10. And it turns out the independents they pulled in are also either disillusioned or bored.

    As the Exile has pointed out, they are more than bored, they fear that they have been made to look… unfashionable.

    That said, I’d like to make a very blunt point from a younger persons perspective.

    One persons mother, who was a stay at home mom and is now living on government social security, made it very clear what she thinks of me.

    “Why don’t they get a job, any job” she said. After all, do I think I’m to good to be a janitor?

    (Being a janitor is actually more well-paying per hour than being a computer programmer, tee-hee).

    And yet, she reacted with upset at the mere possibility of her social security check being cut. Why? Couldn’t she go get a job? Of course not, no job is good enough for her.

    Any job is good enough for me, and no job is good enough for her. Yeah, I got it. Message received. And yes, it is exactly like that.

    So why shouldn’t young people vote like an election is American Idol? All the choices care about them the exact same amount.

    Zero.

    Isn’t honesty swell?

  11. Well, I’m out. Big day tomorrow — I’ve already carved my 2 gruesome jackolanterns (not to brag, but I rock in the “carving jackolantern” department) and I’m dressing up as a super realistic vampire (customized fangs & all) to scare the bejeesus out of the neighborhood kids. Good times.
    Happy Halloween all & good night.


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  13. Although I totally agree with your analysis of current state of the Democratic party, I believe that your approach is nihilistic and dangerous. (The party started downhill with the rise of affluence; it happened to all center-left parties in Europe as well.) It’s true, I don’t particularly like Harry Reid. Angel, however, is dangerous while Reid isn’t. We are looking at the abyss. I still prefer the Reids over the McConnells.

    It’s is self centered to look for gratification in a vote. Those of us who do well will probably survive another jolt, but should never forget the weaker among us; 15 million unemployed is much better than 30 million. This is what Whitman, Angel and others will usher in.

    • I vehemently disagree. Harry Reid is a dangerous POS. So are all of the other parties to the pre-selection of a Chicago hack and subsequent rigging of rules, caucuses, primaries and conventions. Sharon Angle will be a backbencher for 6 years and then voted out. The Republican leadership is already in place and will continue to do what they have been doing since January 2009 which is oppose the One. They are not going to cooperate with him. They are going to make him look as much a fool and crook as they can get away with and will be aided by Democrats whom Obama has double crossed. Obama will have to go to the Republicans to try and govern and they will not do him any favors since he is such an arrogant (I won) know nothing. Obama’s problem is going to be Democrats who are only beginning to show defiance and contempt.

      • Honk Honk!!!

      • I’m going to repeat this in this thread.

        14 Senators are RETIRING
        6 Senators are presently looking at losing their job at the very least, Reid among them

        The idea that 20 or 1/5 the Congress are going to be bench warmers just doesn’t bear weight.

        This is shaping up to be the largest freshmen class since Congress’ inception. Some of these people may even get the opportunity to chair committees. The idea that they will just be expected to sit in Congress and look pretty when they are 1/5 of it’s total is a dangerous assumption.

        • So what are we supposed to do about it?

          • Be afraid I suppose?

          • Decline to abet it.

          • Well for starters people could stop pressing the meme that just because someone will be a freshman senator that they will be warming benches and their policies really matter very little.

            Oh and yeah Ralph that’s exactly what I said, Nevermind that my argument was soundly based on facts like candidate stands and the actual numbers. I said be very, very afraid because we all know that *I* spend my day and evenings cowering in closets afraid of everything and logic and reason are devoid in my post. Pfffffft. Whatever.

          • Well for starters people could stop pressing the meme that just because someone will be a freshman senator that they will be warming benches and their policies really matter very little.

            So we should STFU?

            What if we’re correct?

            Actually, it doesn’t natter what we say right now. What’s gonna happen is gonna happen. Since Obama and the remaining Democrats won’t stop the GOPers we’re fucked anyway.

            Sharron Angle and the rest of the Tea Party candidates are no crazier than the rest of the Republican party. With or without the Tea Party the GOP would be taking over Congress on Tuesday.

            I predicted this two years ago.

          • cwaltz, I don’t know how you spend your days but my comment still goes. I don’t have a senator up for election this cycle and can’t do anything to help the Dem senators who may lost.

            You do seem to think that Angle’s election will change the world and I do think that’s just a crock. Obama’s election had a larger effect than any of these will because it’s harder to ignore a President than a freshman senator.

          • Say what you want myiq. Scream from the rooftop that the policies and statements of candidates don’t matter and that the fact they just got elected negates any influence they might have on the legislative body as whole. After all that whole entire philosophy has worked out so beautifully for the people who pushed that meme in 2008.

            I am basing my positions on what I have seen as a result of a whole lot of people saying that all the candidates were the same and that because they were all democrats that their policy positions were essentially the same. In short I’m basing my position on history. What are you basing your position on? Anger? Russian roulette style representation?

            You keep going with best case scenario and what if we’re right (Nice to know you’re such an optimist after over a decade of disasterous policy). My question to you is the same as it was for the people who asked me to blindly trust that Obama was the right direction to go. What if you’re wrong? What if the policy positions of candidates like Angle or Miller become part of the public debate? You’re stuck with her/him for 6 years like it or not. That’s six years of the people elected weighing in on life or death decisions like war , or social safety nets as well as determining which direction the country goes in terms of how we pay for those things.

            As for 2 year ago predictions, I was right too. I predicted that the candidate we sent to the WH would matter and it has. It is the EXACT premise I use when I say who we send to the Senate matters regardless of a freshman status.

            It appears that the only thing we agree upon is at this late stage of the game what you or I say really matters very little. The only thing left is to garner what has been learned or not learned.

            Oh and a 10 seat pick up would give the Republicans their majority again. Let’s hear it for tax cats and endless war paid for by the loss of safety nets. Let’s hear it for privatizing everything and deregulating business even more while regulating personal choice to the nth degree. While Democrats might indeed deserve to lose, I mourn for the people who will be the casualties of the Republicans. I don’t see the GOP as more deserving of a win but with a default two party system that is what the results will be nonetheless. I’ll take no joy at watching the Democrats learn a bitter lesson particularly since it will be on the backs of everyday Americans. I’m only sad that many here seem to think the effective way to stop ineffective politicians is to say that the policies of a person replacing them do not matter(because as freshmen they will have no say in policy or no place in policy craftsmenship.)

          • Strawman much?

          • Feel free to deconstruct my “strawman” then.

            I’ m not interested in debating someone whose just gonna toss out garbage without a fact based argument to back him.

            I don’t roll that way.

            I’m off to take my kids to a function for a couple hours. So feel free to take your time.

        • And they will also be 20% of the vote. If that 20% is largely Republican–yes, they can do untold damage in 6 years. Look how much Obama’s done in just 2. The best that can be hoped for under those circumstances is that the WH and the Congress will spend so much effort batering each other that neither side will accomplish anything and the rest of us can just drop to the floor and crawl out unnoticed under the bar stools.

          • Thank you for getting my point. 20% is a very large number of new faces. Politico actually has it at 21. I haven’t sat down to figure out which retiree they have that I haven’t figured for. Couple that with the large number of Freshman from last cycle and we may be looking at a largely “new” Congress.

            Politico actually posted a decent piece about how we may be heading into uncharted waters with the Senate. I posted it in the next thread.

          • If the Senate is 50-50, they’ll be blocked by Joe Biden. If its less than 66-34 (mathematically impossible, 40 Democrats aren’t even up) they’ll be blocked by Obama. The most that will happen is gridlock.

          • Not all of that 20% will be Republicans. Most estimates I’ve seen are a 5-10 seat pick-up by the GOP

          • Max should be around 8. Dems should still control the Senate.

    • I understand your point of view. It’s probably the majority point of view of either party. Voting for the least of the bad ones and trying best to keep out the really dangerous ones from the opposing party is valid and not unreasonable.

      But look what happens on the right. The far right withholds their vote when they don’t like what they see. And snap, the party moves to the right to appease. On the left, we just go along, to scared of the alternative to dare risking a loss, no matter how bad our candidate is. And year after year, we do this. And year after year, the party takes our votes for granted and moves further to the right. It’s quite breathtaking. I mean Nixon is more to the left than the bulk of the parties candidates.

      So what I’m saying is if that’s what we do, we have no value. We have no effect on the party. We are irrelevant. And I can see how that might seem selfish if you’re just thinking of your one vote. But I’m not talking about just me, I’m talking about if everyone acted more like this. Everyone should think of strategies that when used together, have a desired outcome.

      When I vote, I don’t think of my vote in a vacuum, I think about it as part of a potential movement. I hope others feel similar. I’m a left liberal, and maybe I’m a minority in this country, but I’d like to think I’m not. So when I talk about a protest vote and/or refusing to vote for someone who doesn’t represent me and is 2% less evil, I know it will only matter if others are doing something similar. I have hope.

      • I can’t, can’t vote for Brown. He pissed me off when he couldn’t stand up and say we will not use name calling
        in my campaign, and would not be taking this route when it comes to women. Politicians who say they are sorry, and don’t follow up on that in the next sentence just pisses me off. Then I was told that I am dumb for not voting for him because of the W word. The only way to stop sexism, is to stop those who use it in their tracks.

        The thing here is he has been around a long, long time, and of all people he knows better.

        I had hopes too.

      • Dandy, I can’t fault your logic, and I think you’re absolutely right–in the long perspective. But what we are facing now is a real and very present short-term danger from the far right. You’re correct that the Republicans move further right in response to withheld radical/religious right votes. What do you think they’ll do if the radical/religious right candidates have enough popular support, even if some of that support comes from protest votes, to get elected and become the loudest voice in the ranks? That has already happened in Texas and probably elsewhere. Check out the Texas Republicans’ platform: it’s a blueprint for theocracy.

        I’m not a Nevadan. But bad as he is, I’d vote for Reid over Angle in a heartbeat.

        • Why isn’t Texas a theocracy? The Republican have been in control long enough.

          • Short answer: because some Republicans have tried it and been booted by the still sane among the electorate. Recall the State Board of Education fiasco, which led to Democratic victories in several cases where the radical religious right members were up for re-election. That doesn’t keep it from being stated policy of Gawd’s Own Party, though. If you want to see what a Christian theocracy looks like, check out Uganda, which is being used as a testing ground for a Dominionist government, an effort in which several Republican Senators–Brownback, Inhofe, Nelson among others–are involved. They area good deal more than 2% worse.

        • That’s a very valid fear. You and cwaltz are making good points. OK, just for you guys, if you won’t jump in and do it, I might have to write a Republicans Still Suck post.

        • Josh Trevino introduced me to the Overton window during the Bush years. He explained how the right went from taking an idea like homeschooling from being a radical perspective and made it mainstream.

          You never would have seen the right do what the left did to the single payers because the right understand that part of incrementalism is just getting an idea out there and making it part of the debate.

  14. DT ~ I’m with you. I can’t bring myself to vote for Periello (though he really is a nice guy), Hurt is a nightmare ….but I can’t go as for as to vote for Clark. And there is literally nobody else on the ballot………… I am going to abstain this time and sit it out.

    Please voting gods …some day send me someone to vote FOR.

  15. A marvelous analysis, DT.

    Until the cheaters within the party are routed, nothing will change. Period.

    Don’t you let anyone bully you. 🙂

  16. Periello is on the railroad committee so our household has had some interactions with him. Can’t say as I’ll be sorry to see him go.

    • It is sad that we have these sorts of candidates. Sure, in some districts if we didn’t have such candidates, perhaps we wouldn’t have a chance. But to what end if we just add a bunch of Republican-lites just to get better numbers. Because in the end, they will be pushing the party to be more Republican from the inside.

  17. My vote is already cast.
    All along, I was in Jerry Brown’s camp for Gov, knowing that Meg would just not be on the right path for CA. I had moments when I was angry with Jerry, but I never really considered voting for Meg. Jerry is a real liberal. He really will buck the system and he will do what he says.
    In fact, I see that he designed his campaign to resist high paid consultants and radically changed how campaigning is done here in CA. Spent relatively little and only really campaigned for a couple months rather than for a whole year as is the usual method.

    He will take a stand and he will stick to it. I know, because he has a record to prove it. He does have courage and is not beholden to the corporations.

    Senator Boxer got my vote in the end. That was a tough choice, because I really want to punish the Dems, but she too is as liberal as they get and I agree with many many of her voting record and agree with her environmental voting and her stand against the Patriot act and FISA.
    But for Congess, I went with a third party name and against the incumbent who talked a good game in the health insurance and to hold Obama to Public Option only to buckle under and vote for that piece of cra&. He has to go.

    I was affirmative on the MJ initiative even tho, I am against taxing a weed that grows like a weed.

    All other offices I chose the female with the idea that we need at least 30% female reps in order to change the conversation in washington to less war less pentagon & less sexism .
    If I had to choose between Reed or Angle, I’d choose the woman. She will have little power as a Jr Senator and actually give rise to voices in opposition.
    The more radical right will have a spokesperson and that will make it easier to mount a fight against it, as opposed to Obama’s pretend to be liberal that has silenced the progressives altogether.

    • The more radical right will have a spokesperson and that will make it easier to mount a fight against it, as opposed to Obama’s pretend to be liberal that has silenced the progressives altogether.

      Honk, honk

  18. You know, Jerry Brown took a stand, and said he was against the death penalty. He then followed that up by saying he would faithfully carry out excutions. Smug.

    • Moonbeam appointed California Supreme Court justices that overturned 61 of the 64 death penalty cases they heard.

      No one was executed in California while Brown was governor.

  19. Com’on, you want me to believe Jerry is our only prayer since he didn’t kill before. Save me, Save me.

  20. Maybe you can explain why he didn’t take ove the Albert Greenwood Brown Case? Keep your eye on him, 2011 is not very far off……..Then le me ask you about Prop 8, why did he choose to oppose it?

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