• Tips gratefully accepted here. Thanks!:

  • Recent Comments

    William on What Fate Is Ours?
    Ivory Bill Woodpecke… on What Fate Is Ours?
    William on What Fate Is Ours?
    William on What Fate Is Ours?
    William on What Fate Is Ours?
    jmac on What Fate Is Ours?
    Beata on What Fate Is Ours?
    Ivory Bill Woodpecke… on Media-Created “Reality…
    Propertius on Media-Created “Reality…
    Ivory Bill Woodpecke… on Media-Created “Reality…
    Propertius on Media-Created “Reality…
    Propertius on Media-Created “Reality…
    Beata on Media-Created “Reality…
    Propertius on Media-Created “Reality…
    Beata on Media-Created “Reality…
  • Categories


  • Tags

    abortion Add new tag Afghanistan Al Franken Anglachel Atrios bankers Barack Obama Bernie Sanders big pharma Bill Clinton cocktails Conflucians Say Dailykos Democratic Party Democrats Digby DNC Donald Trump Donna Brazile Economy Elizabeth Warren feminism Florida Fox News General Glenn Beck Glenn Greenwald Goldman Sachs health care Health Care Reform Hillary Clinton Howard Dean John Edwards John McCain Jon Corzine Karl Rove Matt Taibbi Media medicare Michelle Obama Michigan misogyny Mitt Romney Morning Edition Morning News Links Nancy Pelosi New Jersey news NO WE WON'T Obama Obamacare OccupyWallStreet occupy wall street Open thread Paul Krugman Politics Presidential Election 2008 PUMA racism Republicans research Sarah Palin sexism Single Payer snark Social Security Supreme Court Terry Gross Texas Tim Geithner unemployment Wall Street WikiLeaks women
  • Archives

  • History

    October 2010
    S M T W T F S
     12
    3456789
    10111213141516
    17181920212223
    24252627282930
    31  
  • RSS Paul Krugman: Conscience of a Liberal

  • The Confluence

    The Confluence

  • RSS Suburban Guerrilla

  • RSS Ian Welsh

    • What Would Chinese Democracy Look Like?
      A few months ago I read a couple of books by the Singaporean intellectual Kishore Mahbubani. In “Has China Already Won he discusses Taiwan. The one exceptional trigger for a war involving China is Taiwan. Most of the time, the Chinese leaders have a lot of policy flexibility. There are no strong domestic lobbies to worry about. But the one issue where the Ch […]
  • Top Posts

Let’s have a swinger party!


(No, this isn’t that kind of post. Get your mind out of the gutter.)

From Hugh at Corrente:

Michael Kwiatkowski’s recent post on dumping Obama appeared here and at FDL’s Seminal. In it, he took shots at Jane Hamsher and the Seminal for being openly hostile to organizing a progressive alternative to the Democrats. As someone who was long at FDL, I can say those shots are accurate. When I tried to push the formation of such organizing there a couple of years ago, I was told “Can’t do that now. It’s more important to elect Obama.” Later I got hit with the line, “Go out, organize a third party, start winning elections, and then and only then, we will think about coming on board, and helping you, errr, organize.” Yes, that is completely contradictory. If I and others were successful in organizing a progressive party, why would we need FDL later? But the intention was clear, to fob off those who wanted to organize a third party and make it clear that FDL’s resources would not used to those ends. (emphasis added)

Mandos the Troll was saying something over at Ian Welsh’s place recently about “You have no power until you can win an election” or some such horseshit. He was wrong, as usual.

Requiring a third party to win elections to be considered relevant is an unfairly high threshold. It’s also a virtually impossible task, beyond a few local races.

Here in my little piece of paradise (CA-18) the last contested general election was in 2006 and there were 108,713 votes cast. That means in order to win a candidate would need at least 54,357 votes. That’s asking a lot for a start-up party.

On the other hand, back in 2008 Al Franken was elected to the U.S. Senate by a measly margin of 225 votes. Are you starting to catch my drift?

In the whole state of Minnesota a group of only 226 people could have swung the election to Norm Coleman. Now imagine you’re a group of lefties in Minneapolis with a membership of 1000 people.

Do you think the Honorable Mr. Franken will take you for granted? Not if you don’t let him he sure won’t.

All we need is a group large enough to swing elections. A group that is vocal and adamant that they will not vote for the lesser of two evils.

A Tea Party, only with liberals.

Think about it.



45 Responses

  1. Look, clown. You can’t go teasing me like that. My clicky finger is bothering me now trying to get this page to open…..

  2. So let’s do our Liberal Tea Party….where do I sign up?

  3. OT, see everything worked out fine for Juan and his Fox buddies. Politico:

    Fox News moved swiftly to turn the controversy over Juan Williams’s firing to its advantage, offering him an expanded role and a new three-year contract Thursday morning in a deal that amounts to nearly $2 million, Matea Gold reports.

    Roger Ailes took a jab at NPR in the process.

    “Juan has been a staunch defender of liberal viewpoints since his tenure began at Fox News in 1997,” he said in a statement. “He’s an honest man whose freedom of speech is protected by Fox News on a daily basis.”

    In his new role, Williams will appear more frequently on the network and have a regular column on FoxNews.com.

  4. Here’s an interesting headline
    AP Says Dem Early Voters Big Turnout in MD, But MD Early Voting Hasn’t Started
    http://www.publiusforum.com/2010/10/21/ap-says-dem-early-voters-big-turnout-in-md-but-md-early-voting-hasnt-started/

  5. But if you don’t vote for the Dems, Sarah Palin will eat your children!

  6. Greens! Greens! Greens!

  7. Reid: ‘I’ve never had to prove my manhood to anyone’

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) fired back at his Republican opponent Sharron Angle Thursday for telling him to “man up” when it comes to Social Security reform.

    Reid, who is in a deadlocked race with the Tea Party-backed GOP nominee, said that people know where he stands on the issues while Angle is a mystery to Nevada voters.

    “People in Nevada know me,” he said on the “Ed Show” on MSNBC. “From the street to the ring to the Senate chambers, I’ve never had to prove my manhood to anyone.”

    Sometimes it’s better to just ignore stuff.

    • Someone should tell him that he just replied with a ‘drop trou’ reference….to answer a ‘find a spine’ insult.

    • I’ve been very clear about that. I’ve been consistent and there are no questions about where I stand on that issue.

    • Lol He has amazing advisors. Everyone is going to want to hire Harry’s team.

  8. I’m ready to swing….. sign me up!

  9. I like the way you think. Wait, did I just say that?

  10. Liberal Swing Demolition Party. Or, LSD Party.

    We vote in a block. If don’t like the “less evil” of the candidates, we do a protest vote to fuck them up. Period.

  11. I was driving around and I didn’t see a lot of campaign signs up, but none of the ones I saw mentioned what political party the candidate belonged to.

  12. New thread up

  13. 3rd party… aren’t there already 3rd parties?
    Maybe we should just infiltrate the GREEN party.

    Get ourselves one that is already organized…
    Come in and take it over…
    kinda like Obama did a couple years ago to one of the established parties.
    And,
    What the heck do we block of voters agree on?
    Anything?

    Anyone?
    Bueler?

  14. I’ve gone through that exhausting “If Not Now, When?” discussion through all of the aughts, esp. in regards to the perpetually back-burner’d repro rights. (Nope, it’s not a single issue. Nope, it’s not an Icky, Pink Aisle Girls’ Cooties special interest. Nope, “Rock Star” Harry Reid won’t save us, nor will the other personality-ridden Dems in good standing from the Coathanger Coalition.)

    Funny story, true story: warning that we deal with abortion rights (and the ConservaDems) then and there or kiss health insurance and health care good bye was concern trolling. The mere suggestion of such crazy talk got anyone swarmed off at first breath.

    Meanwhile, back at the Pony Express:

    In Seattle on Thursday, Obama told local women and others that “how well women do will help determine how well our families are doing as a whole.” Accompanied by women who own businesses, he spoke in a family’s backyard about the economy’s effects on women and outlined ways he said his policies have helped them.

    Later, trying to rekindle the enthusiasm of his presidential race, he all but ordered thousands of cheering supporters at a packed University of Washington arena to get out and vote, even though he’s not on the ballot. Hoarsely shouting over the applause, he said, “If everybody that voted in 2008 shows up in 2010, we will win this election. We will win this election. But you’ve got to come out and vote.”

    Now, were he hoarsely shouting for repro rights in a big, nat’l medium and tooting his own horn in someone’s friggin’ backyard, he wouldn’t come off so much like an Robe’n’Underpants mannequin from the 2010 Xmas catalogue

    • Yeah, Obumbles and “women’s issues.” That’s a hoot. I was in a work meeting about 1/8 mile from where he was and it was sooo painful to keep my mouth shut.

      The public meeting was not that well attended — the hideous traffic jams never materialized. Lots of us “smaller folks” talking about why doesn’t he talk less and act more. Like create jobs, bump up funding for higher ed, healthcare, and smash down Wall Street instead. Lots o’ Independents even in what used to be Obot Central Seattle.

      I’m just sorry we didn’t manage our usual thoroughly drenching dreary Seattle fall rain to “welcome” him with.

  15. What the Right has understood, and the Left hasn’t, is that both parties are now very unpopular. The republicans in Congress have an approval rating of about 26% (perhaps less), and they are about to gain around 50 seats. Same thing happened in 2006, and 2008. Democrats in congress (think Pelosi) were very unpopular, but gained control.

    The RIGHT understood very quickly that the time has come to wash their hands off GOP. If parties are relationships, the right is going on its own with the Tea Party, and the left is still hanging on to an abusive relationship.

    The liberals should seriously think of starting a grass roots party. But please: Don ‘t call it the Coffee Party! You don’t need FDL’s approval for that. You don’t need ANYONE’S f*^ing approval for doing what you want.

  16. I like the term “working class liberals”.

  17. So, you form a group and put pressure on your local Dem candidate and he promises you something for your votes. Only problem is once he gets to Washington he will forget all about you.
    If it’s a Senator they are safe for six years and come re-election there will be a new group of voters to bamboozle. For Representatives it might work since they are up in two years.
    Too bad you didn’t have this idea a little further out from November. There is no time to organize now.
    What I would do is announce that you and others are forming a group and are going to withhold your vote for Dem candidate X in the close race in state Y so that republican wins. The follow through with it so the Dem elites know you are serious when that republican wins.

Comments are closed.

%d bloggers like this: