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Water is still wet, and pundits are still perplexed as ever.

So Obama fanboy Andrew Sullivan had this headline out yesterday — it’s a hoot — “Obama’s Lost Narrative” (h/t to memeorandum) :

Nyhan goes after the Democrats for baseless attacks against the US Chamber of Commerce. It is very depressing to see them descend to this kind of stuff. What they need are not tactics and resentment, which is what we’re seeing. What we need is a narrative of recovery and reform from Obama. He has the record, and he has made a couple of great speeches. But this distracts.

My view, and I’ll say it again. Campaign on ending the long-term debt. Campaign on being the man who can bring America together to solve its long-term fiscal crisis. Call the GOP out on its fiscal record and its current refusal to specify what they’ll cut. Remind people of the debt commission. Remind people we need to cut spending and raise taxes. Be the adult in the room. With a megaphone.

I’ve been reading some pundit reactions, and they tend to be puzzled as to why Obama and the Ds are doing this. But, it’s really quite simple. This “Stolen election” meme isn’t about getting out the vote during the 2010 election cycle. It’s really more about the next election cycle. The Obama permanent campaign is pre-emptively shaping the narrative of Democratic losses in 2010 and pitching an argument to independents that it’s not Obama’s fault — everybody else is obstructing poor O, you gotta stick with O and show all the evil people fighting him wrong… in 2012!

It’s the same thing with all the hippie-punching coming out of the Obama camp. Combined with the strategy of a “War on Fox News,” the message that the WH has been quite consistently and doggedly (although misguidedly) telegraphing to Independents is that O has the partisans on both sides trying to thwart him. This of course will not bring Independents back in 2010, but this isn’t about 2010. Once Obama won in 2008, it was always about 2012 for the Obama permanent campaign. They do not care about 2010 other than minimizing any spillover to Obama’s 2012 re-election chances. They are banking on the electorate tiring of the partisan noise by 2012 and coming back home to Obama. This doesn’t look like enough right now, but 2012 largely depends on the economy and who the GOP picks as their nominee. The GOP slate is pretty awful on the whole in my opinion, so Obama may slide by on his weak posturing.

Furthermore, the Obama camp doesn’t care about looking like the grownups in the room. They are more interested in how they can make themselves look like the underdogs (“They talk about me like a dog”). Obama has lost the “I’m the outsider” canard he used in 2008 as Candidate Obama. President Obama IS Washington. He is desperately trying to make himself NOT Washingtion. So when you see “stolen election” memes, understand–this is the same as the ACORN meme was for the GOP. A consolation prize and red meat to start feeding the base for the NEXT election cycle, preparing their own grassroots to see themselves as being thwarted by the party that wins in the current election cycle.

I’ve also heard the activist left lament that Obama should be committing to protecting Social Security instead of this nonsense about the CoC. Indeed. But, a) O and friends have already moved on from 2010, they’ve signaled that it’s already a stolen election and lost, they’re not trying to win, and b) Obama is a Flim Flam Nowhere Man who BS’es on SS. Since O and the Dems have not shown any shyness about promising things which they were never going to deliver on, you really have to wonder about the things they won’t promise on.

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  1. Will_Bower

    A place for debate and discussion amongst voters and political junkies of all persuasions re: 2012/2016: http://tinyurl.com/Hillary1216

    Will, has a new FACEBOOK page to discuss all the possibilities…hemmm…. 😉

      • Will is OK, just don’t sleep in the room next to one of his political parties…but that is youth…they can chat until dawn.

        • Will Bower can go pound sound up his ass.

          He’s a Republican Ratfucker

          • That isn’t my experience. Some were asked to go public and those that did took some major hits, Will being one of them. I have had private chit chats and didn’t detect any GOP platform issues there.

            I did do some items and some here from some other States got them, and when I went into peek (I did it cause I just couldn’t help myself, being an op, this chance may never come again)…had to go look and it was most revealing.

            Firstly, I didn’t realize how the HEART OF THE GOP loves BUSH II…that was shocking…more so when you consider what I prepared…I could have been tarred and feathered. I did get a hug from Jon Voight because he said ‘You’re from blank’ (I thought of telling ’em NOT SO LOUD) and I said ‘HOW COULD YA TELL’! I stuck out like a sore thumb but I gained great insight as to how they keep their loyal base…their worker bees.

            Any hoo, that is my story and I am sticking to it!

          • You didn’t have a problem with “Hillary should be McCain’s VP?”

          • WV,

            I don’t think Will was or is a Republican.

            I do think he did the Hillary holdouts a disservice when he got carried away and used inaccurate figures to discuss how many of us there were and how much had been raised to pay off Hillary’s debt.

          • Nope. He is not.

          • myiq2xu,
            Where did ya get the McCain VP thingie? That wasn’t in any e-mails I got. (((ya mean I was not in the IN, IN group…whaH!)))

          • WTV,

            I shouldn’t say this, but I think Will knows that too well. He really put his heart into it though and I give him credit for trying real hard.

          • Full Bower quote:

            Many, like myself, want to see a McCain-Clinton ticket, which would be as politically radical as F.D.R.– It would be a true crack in the system, real change…

            I get what he was saying. He was talking about divided gov’t.

            I think Bower just got carried away with the attention and let it go to his head.

          • Also, iirc, Bower didn’t ask sm77 or riverdaughter for permission to act like the spokesman of the “PUMA” banner.

          • There is also this from the same article:

            Together with a group of roughly 70 P.U.M.A. voters, Bower met last week with Senator John McCain, which he characterized on Fox News as very “reassuring.”

            That was in the MIDDLE OF JUNE 2008!

            If Will Bower wasn’t a Republican Ratfucker he might as well have been. He single-handedly did more to discredit PUMA than anyone else.

          • I disagree.

          • Bower didn’t ask sm77 or riverdaughter for permission to act like the spokesman of the “PUMA” banner.

            Bower took off and did his own thing. He was not elected nor did he consult with the rest of PUMA before declaring himself spokesman.

          • Meeting with McCain in June 2008? I can see that as a way to put pressure on the Dems. I don’t have much a problem with that part. I had more a problem with the way the PUMA banner was usurped by figureheads and their egos became the story rather than the disenfranchisement of millions of voters. Will’s biggest mistake was that he made it about Will and became the news himself instead of actually spreading the message of Hillary’s holdouts.

          • Dario, what do you disagree with? Sorry, couldn’t tell where you were replying in the nest.

          • People went in different directions after June 1 2008 in their attempt to be politically relevant, and the PUMA label served him. Lady Rothschild supported McCain. I don’t believe Bowers is GOP.

          • Bower, not Bowers.

          • The MEETING was for VOTER REFORM and to hear our concerns and it was NOT to join the GOP. I wasn’t in the DC area and so I didn’t attend and if recollection serves me well ‘Carly I want to be Senator’ was there too.

            As to the ‘spokesman’ bit, I think we simply were dealing with too much information and between New York, D.C., Florida, PA, and the LA/West Coast Groups it was amazing that we managed to get as much press as we did.

            Will, like him or not, did the best he could and we had to create items from scratch and we didn’t have a centralized hub…it was all a work of the hearts really.

            So, NO I won’t go after Will, because he did the best he could (gave up a lot) given what he had to work with and often calling on folks to send things to other folks clear across the country. Had we had a listA we could have done more, but live and learn.

            Oh, the conference calls were a hoot though and worthy of a mention if there is ever a book. 😉

    • WTV,

      What do you think about 2016? I would prefere 2012, but I don’t think that is going to happen…

      • 2016 is too late imho, I don’t see 2012 happening, and I think the idea of her replacing Biden is a weird rumor that’s been going on since Obama announced Biden as his running mate.

        • You know what’s weird? Remember that very iffy “white house insider” stuff that was published on that blog – the one we weren’t sure was just made-up R stuff?

          Well, that guy is supposedly still talking. And he broke the Axelrod leaving first, before the media picked it up. And he also broke the Hillary offered VP position first as well, and said wait and watch and the story will hit the news in a day or two. It did.

          It still may be bunk, but he’s been right on several stories that broke later. Actual insider? Maybe?

    • Hillary 2016? That should be Hillary 2012.

  2. Great post. I agree, with the WH it’s all about them. Should not come as a surprise to all the candidates out there that risked everything to support his policies. They should have known better.

    • Thanks DT. They should have known better. Like Pelosi, they all hitched their wagons to the Obama star and couldn’t shut up about how he’d redraw the map.

  3. Great post … after a WTV post, I’m often left with nothing to say for whole minutes…! Imagine!

    The pundits are hilarious… Never has there been so many and never so wrong….always a year or two late and several trillions short…But it’s their job to push the lie de jor and be perplexed when their lie is not working . The only time I see them complain about policies that are pulling us down the drain is when fluffing BO’s pillow becomes very hard work…Sully says the Dems have a record they can run on? Can he be more specific? Clearly the Mod Dems disagree with him or perhaps they would run on their ‘great” record?

    Campaign on being the man who can bring America together to solve its long-term fiscal crisis.

    LOLOLOL
    Stop it! My laugh lines are hurting me!!!

    • Thanks paperdoll. Told ya Sully’s spin was a hoot! I couldn’t even bother to address the nonsense about O just needing to make everyone understand how wonderful he has been. Sully’s reading too much Ezra, Lol.

    • Evidently when Sully crawled up inside Palin’s womb and disappeared for several months, he reverted to a fetal state.

    • But..they work so hard on these narratives to shove down our throats! And we “ungovernable” wretches just keep puking it back up all over their Ferragamos.

      What is the matter with the voters?! I mean, really.

  4. AOHell news:

    It has become a mantra in the news media these days to include in every story about the departure of another high-level Obama White House official the cautionary declaration that “it is normal for appointees to leave after a president’s first two years.”

    The unspoken message here is that this is not a case of rats deserting a sinking ship, it’s just routine housecleaning.

    But just how “normal” is it for a slew of high-ranking White House appointees to leave in the first two years?

    You don’t have to look back too far to discover that, in fact, it’s not so “normal” after all.

  5. Those D voters need to be drug tested, or something.

    Reuters-Ipsos Poll: Obama approval drops to 43 pct driven by Democrats

    President Barack Obama’s poll numbers keep going down, and it’s not the Republicans who are to blame.
    Obama’s approval rating fell to a new low of 43 percent since he took office, down from 47 percent last month, according to a Reuters-Ipsos national poll.
    Ipsos pollsters say it appears that much of that drop comes from Democrats whose approval of Obama fell to 70 percent from 78 percent last month.
    Among likely voters, 48 percent said they will choose Republican candidates in the midterm elections, while 44 percent say they will vote for a Democrat. That gap narrowed in the full survey sample, with 44 percent saying they would vote for the Republican candidate vs. 43 percent for the Democrat.
    More at Reuters

  6. Daou tweet (and article)

    NYT piece on Obama misses main problem for Obama and Dems: people don’t think they stand for anything http://bit.ly/briZrS

    His first paragraph confirms this entry

    his is mind-boggling on so many levels. Why would the White House do this before the midterms?

    • This is exactly what I’m talking about. I’m a fan of Daou’s, but all this confusion over why the WH would do this *before* the midterms? It’s just like I covered in my post. The WH is doing it because it’s not about the midterms, it’s about 2012.

      • Daou:

        He (Obama) said he and his team took “a perverse pride” in focusing on policy while ignoring the need to sell it to the country and that he realizes now that “you can’t be neglecting of marketing and P.R. and public opinion.”

        Then WTF were all those townhall speeches he flew around the country giving?

        Obama is all marketing, no product development. Or in the words of Walter Mondale, “he’s all sizzle, no steak.”

        • all asshat, no cattle

        • See, he still doesn’t get it. He thinks that “neglecting public opinion” is a failure to talk enough, rather than a failure to listen enough.

          The pubic has spent 2 years screaming at the top of their lungs: ” It’s not that we don’t UNDERSTAND what you are doing, it’s that we DON’T LIKE what you are doing!”

          His response? “So what you’re saying is that I need to explain this better…”

          NO!

          NO! NO, that is not what we are fucking saying!

          Arrogance that monumental deserves to be driven to the most ignominious defeat in American political history. And I am not joking about that. I have a feeling that this election is going to be the biggest, most resounding slap in the face to these dickwads that the public can muster. Not because they love republicans, but because they are sick of being talked at, and want to be HEARD.

        • But, that’s the only way he knows how to connect with them people … up on high looking down at them.

  7. Once again, all I can do is remind myself that throughout Obama’s brilliant political career, the only person whoever benefited from his election to any office was Obama.

    • Bingo! but that’s the part of the equation the chattering classes will keep avoiding and instead scratch their heads and wonder why oh why would the guy who wooed them in 2008 behave such and such way.

      • They’re too smart to be fooled so something must have prevented Obama from keeping his promises.

        /snark

        • That’s it in a nutshell, myiq. In their analysis of “what went wrong?”, they start by preemptively excluding the evidence that he was a bad choice from the beginning.

          When you start your thesis with a false presupposition, you can never arrive at the truth. So the poor dears will never figure out “what went wrong?”

  8. If Obama and the Dems were truly looking to get on the voters’ good side, they’d run on this developing foreclosure disaster. It would pit them against the megabanks, whom everyone hates, and would put the GOP on the defensive.

    But nooooo. We have to listen to this stuff about oppo ad financing, which just rationalizes defeat to the choir and tells everyone else that they think people are too stupid to evaluate bullshit ads. Of course, a lot of people are ignorant enough to fall for them–look at the size of Beck and Limbaugh’s audiences–but you’re not going to win any support by telling them that.

  9. Also, remember when he graded himself B+? he still thinks that. From the NYT article
    and we’ve probably accomplished 70 percent of the things that we talked about during the campaign. And I hope as long as I’m president, I’ve got a chance to work on the other 30 percent.”
    70% of 0 = 0

  10. In case anybody’s interested …

    Don’t know why I was ever on Obama’s mailing list, I certainly never gave a dime to him and stopped giving to the DNC a couple of years ago when I had a different email addy. Possible they got me from Hillary’s campaign. Anyway, they’re still sending me pitches. This one arrived today. The subject heading is “I want to meet [Zaladonis]”

    Friend —

    Two years ago, I met 10 of you.

    Just before I accepted our party’s nomination in front of 80,000 people in Denver, I spoke with 10 grassroots supporters who had won a trip to meet me backstage.

    I still remember the time we spent together — because these are the people, like you, who stood with me in 2008, and got me through the tough fights since.

    Vomit.

    But we face another test on November 2nd that will say a lot about our future — and I need you by my side again.

    A Supreme Court decision I strongly disagree with has shifted the balance of power in our elections from folks like you to giant corporations. Their massive spending on attack ads could have a real impact on who represents you at all levels of government. Only supporters like you — and all the work you are doing — are standing in their way.

    This may be our toughest fight yet.

    So next week, just 11 days before the elections, I want to meet three supporters like you backstage at a rally in Las Vegas — one of the last big rallies of this campaign.

    Please make a $3 donation now to be automatically entered to win a trip to be at my side at the rally in Vegas.

    This movement has always been about more than me. It’s about change, and the kind of future we envision for this country.

    The folks I met backstage in Denver told me they wanted health reform, a clean-energy economy, and a resolution to the war in Iraq. They wanted a new kind of politics, and a new kind of leader.

    Explains why they’re disappointed.

    It was their hope and expectation that together we would move beyond the status quo, that we would counter the special interests and corporate influence in Washington — that we would do what was right and necessary for all Americans.

    Uh huh.

    And instead they got unprecedented disappointment.

    With your help, we have made historic progress, but there is much left to do — and it will not happen without your involvement. I need strong allies in Congress who will stand with us in the tough fights ahead, and I need you to give it all you’ve got through November 2nd to make sure they can.

    Your donation today will provide critical support to our Vote 2010 campaign as we reach out to millions of voters who will decide the closest races across the country.

    It will determine if we pass this test, and win our toughest fight yet.

    Please donate $3 or more to be automatically entered to win a trip to Las Vegas to meet me backstage:

    http://my.democrats.org/Backstage

    I hope to see you out there,

    President Barack Obama

    P.S. — Making a donation automatically registers you for the sweepstakes. You may also enter the sweepstakes without making a contribution either online or via text message — click here to enter online or here for instructions on how to enter via text message. No minimum contribution is necessary to be registered.

    Vomit.

    • My bookkeeper is Helen Waite

      If Obama wants a donation from me he should go to Helen Waite.

    • HOORAY!!! I JUST GOT THE SAME EMAIL! BARACK WANTS TO MEET ME!! I’M GOING TO FAINT!!!

      Asshat.

      Hillary 2012

      • The subject line has my name in it, but the intro is ‘Friend.’ I really want the stats on how many people donate based on this email….

      • I got one too, how exciting!

        I deleted it and paid myself the 3 dollars for the effort.

        • I sent them a wordy reply. It went something like this…..

          Asshat.

          Hillary 2012

          • I hope you like in Gitmo

          • You have a delicious way with words, Rock. Thank you for the best laugh of the day.

          • LOVE it. I get these emails too; probably cause I used to be a member of MoveOn.

            “health reform’ — yeah, he still doesn’t care or get it that it was about HEALTHCARE … or maybe he just didn’t listen to what they said exactly.

    • fooken sweepstakes? What is this Publisher’s Clearing House? …if only

    • Bwahaha, they don’t have my address. I told the Hillary campaign to not give it to them and they didn’t. Suck it DNC.

  11. Me in the comments at TM:


    Recently, Pres. Obama and Timothy Geithner, the last man standing in Obama’s economic team, decided to side with Republicans and Rep. Eric Canter in protecting banks yet again, thinking that profits are more important than protecting people.

    Why am I not surprised?

    Oh, yeah, that’s right! I predicted this.

    Waaaaaaaay back in 2008 I said Obama was a conservative wolf in progressive sheep’s clothing – the ultimate GOP ratf**k operation.

    I hate being right all the time.

  12. Nice post Wonk! You couldn’t be more correct about Obumbles looking past this election. In fact, he hasn’t paid attention to ANYONE that helped him steal the election in Congress. But I do disagree with one thing. The electorate is proving that it will stand for a crazy person over a liar and a cheat, circa Angle, Pallidino etc. While not completely, I’m still holding out hope that the DNC will come to Hillary and beg her to run. I actually think that she and a prominent close all (eg Bayh)will mount a primary challenge in late ’11. And her machine that is in stasis will simply reactivate, and we will overrun any remaining obots.

    Game, set, match.

    Hillary 2012

    • But I do disagree with one thing. The electorate is proving that it will stand for a crazy person over a liar and a cheat, circa Angle, Pallidino etc.

      The Rock, we don’t disagree here. I’ve blogged about that before. I just think 2 years a long way to go and it is *the Obama WH* who is thinking the anger will either boil over by 2012 or move back against the GOP by 2012. I was speaking of their calculations. And, that it shouldn’t be enough but if the GOP picks a crappy candidate (which there is a good chance of since they mostly have crappy candidates), O *may* slide by on his crap posturing.

  13. Now this is different:

    • After watching that anime, I almost thought that you did it, myiq. Its hilarious and its true. Sounds like something you would do. Kudos!!

  14. WTF?:

    Tonight’s Delaware Senate debate between marketing consultant Christine O’Donnell (R) and New Castle County Executive Chris Coons (D) will be carried live on CNN and co-moderated by the network’s lead anchor Wolf Blitzer.

    Judging from that treatment, a casual viewer might conclude that the race for Vice President Joe Biden’s old seat is among the most competitive in the country.

    That, of course, would be wrong. Way wrong.

    In the Real Clear Politics polling average on the Delaware race, Coons hold a lead of 17 points over O’Donnell.

    If I was advising Coons I would tell him NFW should he debate her.

    She has nowhere to go but up.

    • CNN’s desperation becomes evident as they look to a crazy race to enhance their ratings. Why didn’t CNN do the same for the gov. race here in TX? Or the race in NY? or any of the other senate races in the country? May their ratings fall to 1,000,000 viewers worldwide, and only that high because CNN is on in airports…

      Asshats.

    • Great politician there. If she gets her name right she’ll come out ahead of the game.

  15. In fact since it is all about 2012, Obama Inc NEEDS the GOP to take over at least the house this time ….so he can run against them two years down the road.

    • O will have two choices: Blame the GOP for his failed presidency or sign all the GOP bills, and the economy really tanks.

    • I heard Rove & Rushbo on talk radio today saying that it seems like the WH has “kicked Pelosi down the stairs”. Rove saying that the meme that Pelosi is to blame for Congress’ dismal performance probably came from the WH, Rushbo saying that after she went out and got the legislation that the WH wanted passed they are treatung her like Rev White.
      Two stopped clocks right at the same time. Interesting

      • It’s getting really crowded under here.

        We need a bigger bus.

      • See, I tell ya, Pelosi went along with giving up the Public Option and saying to tough luck to those over 45 for the Medicare Buy In and NOW look who is being thrown under the bus.

        It is tough, but we have been under the bus sooooo Looooong that we have started doing some repairs and upgrades. 😉

  16. Glenzilla:

    The controversy over Chamber of Commerce election funding raises a very real and important issue: the genuine threat posed to our political system by unknown funders who can pour massive amounts of money into negative ads while hiding who they are. The White House’s arguments about the need for more disclosure are largely correct, although that legitimate issue has been obscured by reckless, sloppy and somewhat McCarthyite behavior in accusing the Chamber of Commerce — with no evidence whatsoever — of using nefarious “foreign money” to pay for these ads, and then demanding that the Chamber reveal its funders in order to prove its innocence. That is lamentable both because guilty-until-proven-innocent attacks are inherently misguided, and more so, because that attack has obscured the genuine issue over the dangers posed by undisclosed sources of campaign money.

    But even regarding the White House’s legitimate arguments about disclosure, there is some major hypocrisy taking place. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs has been leading the charge against the Chamber, citing what he called “the spirit of disclosure” when telling CBS’ Mark Knoller this earlier this week:

    I think it’s important when you don’t know – when you don’t know who those people are, when you don’t know what their agenda is. I think as the president has said that it is a threat very fundamentally to our democracy.

    But what makes it so infuriating to watch Gibbs make this argument is that Gibbs himself — back in 2003 and 2004 — was heavily involved in exactly the same kind of anonymous-funded negative campaign the Chamber is running now, when the brand-new advocacy group for which he was the spokesman invoked the same excuses as the Chamber is invoking now to conceal its donors. As Chris Moody recalls, when Howard Dean was the 2004 Democratic front-runner, a new group abruptly popped up — calling itself “Americans for Jobs, Health Care and Progressive Values” — and, shortly before the Iowa primary, began running an extremely ugly anti-Dean TV ad campaign, featuring images of Osama bin Laden, along with ominous claims that Howard Dean would fail to Keep Us Safe, that he could not “compete with George Bush on foreign policy.”

  17. You know, us independent liberals are the DNC’s fucking nightmare:

  18. That’s chickenshit:

    The Staten Island knucklehead who streaked in front of President Obama in a wacky $1 million dare may be getting a raw deal.

    British billionaire Alki David was balking Monday at paying Juan Rodriguez, 24, the cash prize for his commando-in-chief stunt Sunday in Philadelphia.

    “It’s still not confirmed,” David, 42, told the Daily News on Monday. “Whether he was in earshot and eyesight of the President is what’s being debated right now.”

    He said it was not clear if Obama even noticed Rodriguez dashing through the massive outdoor crowd in his birthday suit with the name of David’s website, Battlecam.com, written on his chest.

    In August, David promised $1 million cash to the first person who streaked in front of Obama with the website printed on his body and while shouting “Battlecam.com” six times.

    “Apparently, there is a law in Pennsylvania where someone isn’t able to profit from an illegal act,” said David, citing another likely obstacle to Rodriguez collecting the jackpot.

  19. Heh:

    The White House is usually quite good at keeping a muzzle on the media after one of its off-the-record sessions with President Obama and senior members of his administration.

    But not this week.

    A group of black bloggers and journalists from outlets like Essence and BET were invited to the White House on Monday for a half-day of policy briefings by the president’s advisers. The White House provided the journalists with an agenda that spelled out the ground rules: the first half of their briefings was to be on background, meaning they could report any information they learned but not attribute it to any specific official; the second half was off the record entirely.

    Still, that did not stop bloggers from writing about the event and, in one case, posting a video of the president’s remarks to the group.

    […]

    Jack and Jill Politics also wrote about the feeling among some who attended Monday’s gathering that they were being used for political expediency. “We essentially told the White House that we are not willing to be ‘pimped,’” the blog said.

  20. Ok – I accidentally left the tv on CNN. The debate has started.

    It looks like a cat has been sucking on her hair.

  21. He has the record

    LOL. Typical delusional Obot.

    • They can’t even start from Occam’s razor. They scratch and scratch their heads why he won’t run on his record because sophists like Ezra have them convinced Obama has an immaculate record of success to run on, he just has to make success popular!

  22. I’ve can’t stop going to idiot right-wing websites like this.

  23. The racists on the right digusing as Democrats. how pathetic. I’ll keep coming back to confront you right-wing nutjobs.

    • Keep trying on that intelligible sentence thing.

    • Diguising is disgusting, and that’s why Halloween must be stopped! Good point!

    • I do know who you are and I do know where you go to school,so If you’d like your teachers to know that your hobby is trolling blogs, I’d be happy to arrange it.

    • so, you do know that the person who wrote this is a woman of color and there are several people commenting on the thread that are also people of color? I suppose they wake up in the morning and figure out ways to discriminate against themselves…. interesting concept

      • Obama fans don’t go by facts, they go by their own presumptions. They wouldn’t want to disturb their beautiful minds or divide-and-conquer narratives.

        • what was it in my frontpage post that even set off this Obot?

        • he never replied to the content of the post. he just launched off into why won’t all you wacists weave Obama awone!

          • what? calling people names isn’t an effective way of arguing a view point?

          • That’s what I don’t understand. If you’re going to troll, shouldn’t you at least have something intelligent to say? Look up some facts, muster a decent argument or two? The point of just making yourself look stupid is what, exactly? Do you think they just get so mad they can’t help themselves?

          • Sadly, our visitor is probably right now posting on FB how he bested us all in a pie fight.

            He really thinks he won.

    • I’m more and more convinced that comments like yours come from Obots from across the seas.

      I’ll let you see my voter registration card to see who I’ve been voting for my whole life, if I can see yours.

  24. I’m not sure Questionman is all together there. Best to just ignore.

    • Is he like a super hero or something?

      • it’s a she … I’m getting pretty good at finding the troll behind the name these days. see above, I inkled hints. If you’d like her name and address in Brooklyn, I’d be happy to send it to Captain Spaulding.

        • I’ll stick with onlinebootycall.com, but thanks.

        • Typical righty. thinking they know everything by making up facts. I’m a dude. and last time i checked, a liberal website DOESN’T support the possiblity of right wing nutjobs screwing over this country by hoping for the democrats to fail.

          • well, then you have a really weird name for a dude …

          • See what happens when you feed a troll?

          • Have you taken a close look at your “democrats”? How can you tell the difference. We’re liberals, so obviously we’re not into either corporatist party. If you like these new Democrats, then you’re a right wing pro monopoly corporatist.

          • That’s suspicious. You’re a dude and in 3 comments you haven’t Browned us? If you’re a Dem and a dude, prove it. Bring out the slurs!

          • When was the last time you checked? At the beginning of the last century? Or were you born yesterday?

            Paul Douglas in 1932, as quoted by Thomas Frank in the WSJ last year:

            Back in 1932, the future Illinois Sen. Paul Douglas advised progressives not to expect too much from the Democratic Party. It was, he wrote, “maintained by the business interests” as a kind of “lifeboat.” Whenever the GOP ship sprung a leak—whenever Republicans were no longer willing or able to do business’s bidding—the interests simply piled into the other party and made their escape.

          • shouldn’t you be watching Jersey Shore?

          • What crap is that! I depise the racist right-wing a-holes. i don’t belong to a corp party. i don’t even have a job yet.

          • you need to free your mind …. every considered turning off MTV?

          • How’s that public option working for you? Oh, right we don’t have it.
            How’s the ending of the DADT policy working for you? Oh, right we don’t have that.
            How’s the ending of the patriot act and online spying by the government working for you? Oh, right we just go more of that?
            How’s your bailout working? Oh, right, you’re not an investment banker.
            Already noticed on you resume you don’t have a job … better get used to it because they’re more interested in giving tax breaks to the rich and to big corporations than to first year art students.

            Keep on rubbin it dearie, maybe something will come out, but it won’t be the good policy genie.

          • Well you seem well qualified for the POTUS spot.

          • Nice quote Wonk.

          • Can you maybe break down that paragraph a little? We don’t want to tax our friend’s amazing intellect.

          • . i don’t even have a job yet.

            Obama checklist:

            are you bitter?
            do you cling to guns and religion?
            are you a xenophobe?

          • No job and in college = Mommy and Daddy can afford to keep him in arugala and sunchokes. He’s clean!

          • Don’t forget “homophobe.”

          • And art major in this economy? He’s gonna be unemployed for a long, long time.

            Every parent’s dream son-in-law

            Mom, Dad, this is Trevor. He’s an artist

          • you need to free your mind …. every considered turning off MTV?

            This coming from a bunch a faux news followers. talk about trash TV. you i have a problem with, just like faux news. No facts, just make up bs using the rhetoric method.

          • sorry, don’t watch fox … but thanks for playing… ready for the ban list now?

          • Why are artists so obsessed with O? Is the shape of his head really the Platonic ideal? Are artists genetically preconditioned to respond to jug ears? That could explain the CDS, he disrupted their mad passion for Ross Perot?

          • But you’re doing an amazing job filling the facts deficit! I’ve learned so much from you!

          • Here’s why he’s unemployed. This is how his online resume starts:

            My Most Proudest Work in the last two years since becoming a student in the Art Institute of New York City.

          • Here’s what your Obama action figure hero had to say about Fox news in his mealymouthed response to Rolling Stone:

            What do you think of Fox News? Do you think it’s a good institution for America and for democracy?
            [Laughs] Look, as president, I swore to uphold the Constitution, and part of that Constitution is a free press. We’ve got a tradition in this country of a press that oftentimes is opinionated. The golden age of an objective press was a pretty narrow span of time in our history. Before that, you had folks like Hearst who used their newspapers very intentionally to promote their viewpoints. I think Fox is part of that tradition — it is part of the tradition that has a very clear, undeniable point of view. It’s a point of view that I disagree with. It’s a point of view that I think is ultimately destructive for the long-term growth of a country that has a vibrant middle class and is competitive in the world. But as an economic enterprise, it’s been wildly successful. And I suspect that if you ask Mr. Murdoch what his number-one concern is, it’s that Fox is very successful.

            Here’s how the Big Dawg we support takes on Fox News. Clinton kicks the crap out of Fox News, Part 1:

          • Clinton Kicks the Crap out of Fox News, Part 2:

          • Isn’t the Art Institute of NYC the school that admits you if you trace the little cartoon turtle?

          • Idiot! No one’s hoping the Dems fail, we are stating the inevitability of it through cogent analysis.

            The only one who wants the Dems to fail on Nov 2, aside from republicans, are Obot supporters and the big 0 himself.

      • Since he actually spelled “question” correctly, we can deduce that he must have a sidekick.

  25. Obviously faux news have taught you all well. make up “facts” using the rhetoric method. you make Glenn Beck proud. typical right-wingers.

  26. “I think is ultimately destructive for the long-term growth of a country that has a vibrant middle class and is competitive in the world.”

    OMG — Obama believes that we have a VIBRANT middle class? We have a DYING middle class. Thanks to HIS bailout of the bankers.

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