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This sounds like it could be interesting

From Chris “Mad Bitch Beer” Cillizza:

Tonight’s Delaware Senate debate between marketing consultant Christine O’Donnell (R) and New Castle County Executive Chris Coons (D) will be carried live on CNN and co-moderated by the network’s lead anchor Wolf Blitzer.

Judging from that treatment, a casual viewer might conclude that the race for Vice President Joe Biden’s old seat is among the most competitive in the country.

That, of course, would be wrong. Way wrong.

In the Real Clear Politics polling average on the Delaware race, Coons hold a lead of 17 points over O’Donnell.

Whoever is advising Chris Coons is committing malpractice. With a 17 point lead this late in the game the only smart move is to run out the clock.

Let’s say O’Donnell goes out there and proves that everything bad that has been said about her is true. I doubt that will happen, but anything is possible. What good does it do for Coons? Nada planada.

But let’s say she comes out and seems reasonably intelligent and normal, which is what I expect to see. Coons gains nothing and O’Donnell will likely narrow the gap between them.

But what if she seems intelligent and normal and Coons commits a major gaffe? If that happens it’s a whole new ballgame.

I suspect the DNC and the White House are behind Coons’ decision to debate. They are hoping to discredit the entire Tea Party Movement by embarrassing O’Donnell. It’s kinda suspicious the CNN is televising the debate live, too.

I’m no fan of O’Donnell but I see a very unpleasant similarity between the progressive witch hunt that has been launched against her and the ones launched against Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin. When are they gonna treat a male candidate the same way?

The debate is on CNN starting at 7:30 p.m. eastern (4:30 p.m. Pacific) Everyone should tune in to catch at least a little of it because regardless of what actually happens the chattering classes will declare Coons the winner.

Trust your lying eyes and ears, not the media.

This is an open thread

215 Responses

  1. Bringing this up from the previous thread:

  2. I was just talking to a student from Delaware. He says she hangs out at the Dover casinos, drinks the free drinks, doesn’t tip, and has a purse dog. His mom evidently works at one and she evidently is always on the prowl for free alcohol.

    Raise your hand if you find that to be ‘just like you’ behavior.


  4. Is there a LIVE stream of this event?

  5. The Dems are getting really desperate. Check out this mass email I just received from “democraticparty@democrats.org”:

    Friend —

    Two years ago, I met 10 of you.

    Just before I accepted our party’s nomination in front of 80,000 people in Denver, I spoke with 10 grassroots supporters who had won a trip to meet me backstage.

    I still remember the time we spent together — because these are the people, like you, who stood with me in 2008, and got me through the tough fights since.

    But we face another test on November 2nd that will say a lot about our future — and I need you by my side again.

    A Supreme Court decision I strongly disagree with has shifted the balance of power in our elections from folks like you to giant corporations. Their massive spending on attack ads could have a real impact on who represents you at all levels of government. Only supporters like you — and all the work you are doing — are standing in their way.

    This may be our toughest fight yet.

    So next week, just 11 days before the elections, I want to meet three supporters like you backstage at a rally in Las Vegas — one of the last big rallies of this campaign.

    Please make a $3 donation now to be automatically entered to win a trip to be at my side at the rally in Vegas.

    This movement has always been about more than me. It’s about change, and the kind of future we envision for this country.

    The folks I met backstage in Denver told me they wanted health reform, a clean-energy economy, and a resolution to the war in Iraq. They wanted a new kind of politics, and a new kind of leader.

    It was their hope and expectation that together we would move beyond the status quo, that we would counter the special interests and corporate influence in Washington — that we would do what was right and necessary for all Americans.

    With your help, we have made historic progress, but there is much left to do — and it will not happen without your involvement. I need strong allies in Congress who will stand with us in the tough fights ahead, and I need you to give it all you’ve got through November 2nd to make sure they can.

    Your donation today will provide critical support to our Vote 2010 campaign as we reach out to millions of voters who will decide the closest races across the country.

    It will determine if we pass this test, and win our toughest fight yet.

    Please donate $3 or more to be automatically entered to win a trip to Las Vegas to meet me backstage:


    I hope to see you out there,

    President Barack Obama

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    • The folks he met in Denver were sycophantic twits stoned on professional marketing techniques and psychological manipulation. They were dazzled by their proximity to celebrity and thrilled to their Birkenstocks to be able to bask in obama’s reflected light.
      I don’t know who I feel more sorry for: The deluded Obot or the politician who may just have believed the hype.

  6. Coons is a condescending prick

  7. That mailer is pathetic.

    A, it is quite sad to see the Office of the President
    debased like this…
    pandering and giving “lottery” tickets for votes.

    Can’t you just picture Kennedy writing something so ridiculous?

  8. Snort! It’s the same story. Has Coons ever said anything stupid? Did he ever attend a Star Trek convention or dabble in Tantric sex?
    We’re getting a new top boss at work. It’s a she. How much you wanna bet the knives are already out? She’s a token. She doesn’t know *insert field here*.
    She’s not a team player. Blah-blah-blah. Gosh, I hope she’s good because I work with a lot of jerks who measure everything in penis years.

  9. You’re just jealous because you weren’t on SNL

    She shoots, she scores.

  10. Oh Jesus.

    She’s just another version of Bush and Obama.

    I’m not cheering for more of that.

  11. He is on defense.

    Also, he bores me.

    But she has split ends.

    decisions, decisions, decisions.

    Glad I don’t vote in Delaware.

  12. “Let’s stay focused”

    What a prick

  13. The moderators are annoying.

  14. OMG! OK, small interruption to the show, but there’s an omaha steak app, I shit you not:
    OK, I return control of the show back to you.

  15. She sounds like an idiot refusing to say whether or not she thinks evolution is a myth.

    • Unfortunately there are lots of people who think it is.

      Half of all voters are below average in intelligence.

      • LOL. But Garrison tells me they’re all above average.

      • It’s not about intelligence. It’s an anxiety thing. Like tightrope walking without a net. If evolution is real, then half that stuff in the old testament might be wrong too. There goes Genesis. Then there’s that whole Leviticus thing. And what about the Top Ten? What the heck does it mean to covet your neighbor’s stuff? What if the end of the world isn’t coming after all? Does that mean I gave to learn to live with f#%^ed up humans after all? There’s no ejection seat???
        See where I’m going with this? There would be millions of freaked out religious Americans, roaming the streets, looking for a golden calf to polish with their hair and before long, we’d have the makings of some cheesy Cecil B. DeMille biblical biopic.
        It wouldn’t be pretty. Leave them thru denial. Just keep them out of the damn science classes.

    • Unfortunately, that’s the way most creationists sound. Deep down, they know evolution is real but they’re in denial. So, they conjure all these fantastic explanations to deny the fossil record.
      They’re looking for company. After awhile, I lose patience.

  16. Can someone take a pee for me? I’m too tired to get up.

    • Don’t take one of mine. I only have a few left and the playoffs are coming up.

    • {scene from meaning of life} I need a bucket.

      • Ever get so drunk you pee and puke at the same time. It’s a special club, not everyone can join.

        • Ever get so drunk you wake up naked in the back yard when the sprinklers come on, then realize you don’t have automatic sprinklers?

          • Ever get so drunk you wake up naked in the back yard when the sprinklers come on, then realize you don’t have automatic sprinklers?

            Not drunk or naked, but once when I was an EMT I went to a call where there was a man collapsed on his gf’s front lawn. He was a dv suspect and the police were also there. We started attending to this patient when suddenly the lawn sprinklers came on, drenching us all! His gf and her mother just stood there watching and made no move to turn the sprinklers off. Some people!

          • I got so drunk I threw-up in the back of an ambulance on the way TO a concert.

            True story

          • On the way TO a concert? Ambulances don’t usually take people to concerts.
            I have plenty of experience with barfing people in ambulances. To this day it still makes me gag.

          • It was an army ambulance.

            We took it to a Journey concert in Wertheim, FRG

            (We brought it back after the concert)

          • Oh, gotcha.

        • No, but when I was in college, I was frequently frustrated by the ubiquity of button fly jeans.
          You can’t own beer. You can only rent it.

          • If you’re a guy and you’re drunk and peeing, especially if you go commando as we did in college, button-fly is by far the superior choice.

          • And by “you” of course I meant me!

          • You went commando? Most of the button fly 501’s I peeked into had an underlayer. It must be a Pennsylvania thing.

          • If you’re gonna go commando, really go commando

          • In Boston in the mid-70s, yeah commando.

            Sort of a counter-culture thing. Along with shoulder-length hair and Frye boots. And rolling perfect doobies.

            Saw Springsteen there, in concert, right before he hit it big.

            This martini’s making me nostalgic.

          • Ooo, I had a pair of Fryes. They were fucking awesome. Cognac colored, with braid running up the outside. I used to baby them with tung oil.
            But I’m a bit younger than you.
            Didn’t they have a brand if rolling papers called Jokers?
            Pass the bong.

          • Or was that neatsfoot oil? Damn, I wish I could find those boots.
            What comes to mind when I say pure prairie league?

          • I remember Dittos jeans.

            “Feel the fit”

            (this was waaaay before Rush Limbaugh)

          • Yup – kept mine supple with tung oil too. Best boots I ever had. Wonder where I lost them. I remember wearing them hitching across Canada and up into the inlets and backwoods of British Columbia. But by the time I hit L.A. and bought a three piece suit … well then it was back to loafers.

            Oh yeah Jokers, fer sure. Had a great bong. Put up a picture of me holding it, long hair and self-embroidered denim shirt and all, on my Facebook page and got a ton of astonished comments. Funny because in my mind’s eye I still see myself that way.

          • “Who is this old, fat bald guy I see in the mirror and what did he do with me?”

          • Yeah, those were the days.
            Remind me again why we can’t be like that anymore?

            (um, my friend bought Jokers. And we don’t do that anymore.)

  17. She is about 10 times smarter than Palin.

    • FYI, Frye boots are ALWAYS in fashion. I’ve got three fairly new pairs, and am still trying to break them in. It’ll take a lifetime, I imagine.

  18. Oh my God.

    Wolf Blitzer is re-debating Health Care Reform.

  19. What?!!?

  20. ZOMG!

    They interrupted the debate for Parker Spitzer???

  21. Whatever

    I’m going downstairs for a martini.

  22. I was just polled by PPP (Public Policy Polling) re: congressional race.

    It was very painful to indicate that I am an independent after an entire life working for the Democratic Party.

    Obama is a ratbast*rd for killing my party.

    • Painful? I frankly enjoying telling allegedly Dem party callers that their list is out of date and I’ve been Independent since 5/31/2008.

      It’s only painful when I think about my healthcare and my retirement funds. Ratb@stard indeed.

  23. Since the purpose of the debate was to make Christine O’Donnell appear as a deranged nutball, I’m gonna have to say she won because they failed.

    I wouldn’t vote for her though.

  24. My post was just eaten by the web monster. This is a repeat.

    NOW has just called for the removal of Brown staffer who called Meg whore.


    • Can’t get behind that.

      Should have a chance to apologize and move on.

      I don’t like people being fired for saying a bad word.

      • No, the guy needs to be fired. Sorry. There was a recent study that showed that female candidates are significantly and negatively impacted by unchecked gender based attacks.
        You gotta start holding people accountable or it will never get better. So, the dude has to go.

      • Really?

        What if he called her a dyke or a faggot lover?

        • Same thing.

          Apologize and move on.

          I know who I am and I am not identified by nasty words other people use against me.

          We’re not children, and adults should be able to handle unpleasant words without over-reacting.

          If he offers a real apology I think that should be accepted and we move on.

          I don’t remember – did NOW call for Randi Rhodes’ being fired after she called Geraldine and Hillary “fucking whores”?

          • Nationally NOW is under new leadership and getting back to their mission.

            As for “who” you are…

            If I recall correctly you are a gay man. If you were running for office in a high profile campaign and your opponent or his/her staff members called you a faggot or a bitchy queen or a nasty fudge packer wouldn’t you expect that various national organizations would come to your defense and joemygod would go crazy over the insult? Wouldn’t that be the right thing to do?

            JFTR – I am a lesbian. However, I am a feminist first. For over 45 years I have observed that so many of my gay brothers just don’t get it and just do not bother to step up on issues important to women because they don’t understand, or chose not to understand, the relationship between homophobia and misogyny.

            I am sick and tired of the disconnect.

          • If that happened I would say thanks to JoeMyGod but I’d urge for the offending person to not be fired. I’d rather have a drink and conversation with him or her than see anybody lose a job for using a mean word.

            JFTR – I am a lesbian. However, I am a feminist first. For over 45 years I have observed that so many of my gay brothers just don’t get it and just do not bother to step up on issues important to women because they don’t understand, or chose not to understand, the relationship between homophobia and misogyny.

            I am sick and tired of the disconnect.

            I don’t know if you mean that specifically to me as well as in general but all I can say is if it’s about me you’re wrong.

            But I agree with you about some gay men and I’ve noticed an increase among the 20/30 crowd from the way my gay male friends behaved when I was that age. Before I started posting here I used to post at a gay site and there was a lot of misogyny there, almost exclusively with the younger crowd. Of course they were very pro-Obama and anti-Clinton so that exaserbated the issue.

            I’m on your side; if I weren’t I wouldn’t come here — a place that’s dominated by strong competent women. I hope if you don’t know that about me you’ll see it over time. I was raised by phenominal women of different generations and I am sincerely disgusted by the way women are treated in America. It’s changed from overt to largely covert, and that’s not much improvement.

        • Depends on whether it was said in front of a bunch of redneck, evangelicals or members of the Glee Club.
          I’m just sayin, gender based insults, and “whore” is an insult, have a negative impact on female candidates.
          It would be like calling Obama a ni66er. It’s wrong and degrading and none if us would tolerate it. Same with calling a woman a whore. You can’t call a man a whore without implicit sarcasm. But when you call a woman one, sarcasm isn’t necessarily implied. It’s really meant to degrade.
          If you’re cool with that kind of crap, then fine. A woman will never reach the oval office in this country. I wouldn’t want someone calling me a whore. I’m ok with dyke. I’m not a dyke and no one would mistake me for one but it wouldn’t upset me. Whore would piss me off.

          • I understand your point. Really I do. When Rhodes called Geraldine and Hillary that I was outraged.

            And I’m offended for women that this guy did it. (You’re right, calling a man that is usually funny, not hurtful — as a gay man I was called a whore in my 20s and laughed at it.) But it was intended to be a private conversation — not that that mitigates the disrespect of the word, but I don’t think people should be fired for using that word or any other, including the n word. At least not the first time and if an apology is offered. If it’s repeated that’s another story

    • Where was NOW when they called Palin a c*nt? Where was NOW when they photoshopped a penis on Hillary?
      Oh, that’s right. They were airbrushing superman feminist Obama for the post election edition of Ms.
      And how did that turn out?
      Bridge, meet water.

      • Honk, honk!

      • Well, I’m glad I’m not voting in that state. I’ve got my own problems in Fl. And just to make the end of a perfect day I just cussed out a Emily’s List person when she told me Obama hasn’t caused any problems.

      • Exactly.

        It’s so extreme. It’s either no public objection or “fire him!”

        Isn’t there a reasonable middle ground like maybe NOW issuing a statement that this isn’t the way adults should be talking about each other if we expect children to stop bullying and treat one another with respect?

        • I am very disappointed in Jerry Brown and I’m the founder of Moonbats for Moonbeam.

        • Ehhhh, it’s gotta stop. It’s like racism. Sooner or later, people have to be punished appropriately so the stop doing it. Fire the guy.
          I mean, would YOU want him on your governor’s staff if you were a woman? I wouldn’t. It would be like having another Favreau. Personally, I have had it with treating women like second class citizens and then trying to get away with it.
          That’s it. Fire his ass.

          • Now they are claiming it was Jerry’s wife.

            If it was she needs to come forward and apologize.

          • You know, it doesn’t matter who on Brown’s side said it. They’re fighting dirty. Someone called her a whore and it’s out there and people are talking about it. It’s hurting her more than him. Brown knows this.
            As much as I despise Republicans, this shit just pisses me off. If he loses, it will be his own fault for screwing CA with a Republican.
            It’s just like Corzine. He pissed people off and now we’re stuck with a Republican. Corzine did that to the state. We got sick of his crap.
            Is Brown going to risk it all just so he can stick it to some woman because he thinks he can get away with it or will CA tell him that will not be tolerated?

          • I vote for tell him it won’t be tolerated. Fire the staffer (if it wasn’t Brown, and who knows?). I’m still not going to vote for Brown. I don’t like how he handled this, I didn’t appreciate his comments about it at the debate, and I’m sick of this s##t.

            You’re right, RD. It hurts women. And it won’t change until there is no tolerance for it. And Brown downplayed it, showing that he doesn’t get it. I’ve supported him for years, but I’m done.

      • NOW was under different management Terry O’Niell was not in charge. Kim Gandy was in charge, and she was apparantly more interested in getting a plum job in the Obama administration, rather than defending women’s rights. It didn’t work out for her, nor should it have.

    • Well it’s about time they said that.

      • NOW is backtracking! They’re now “demand” firing someone only if the word “whore” is used in the future.

  25. In NY elections the fun never stops. Was it pastrami or salami? Paging Dr Freud?

    “I was in the middle of eating a kosher pastrami sandwich,” Rabbi Levin said. “While I was eating it, they come running and they say, ‘Paladino became gay!’ I said, ‘What?’ And then they showed me the statement. I almost choked on the kosher salami.”


  26. WTF?

    The last time I heard anyone use the obnoxious phrase “lifestyle choice” to describe a gay person’s sexual orientation was during the Bill Clinton presidency when the gays were accused of wanting “special rights.”

    Today the Washington Post’s gay kapo Jonathan Capehart shares a video interview he conducted on Monday with senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett. She clearly states a belief that Minnesota gay teen Justin Aarberg, who committed suicide in July after being bullied, made a “lifestyle choice.”

    • That’s conveniently vague…. Were accused by whom?

      • Follow the link – they even have a video

      • “lifestyle choice” is the preferred term of the religious right… gayness is not seen the bigots as the inherent trait that it is… to hear that from Jarrett shows great ignorance.

        • Why would anyone be surprised to hear that from Jarrett? That’s her view. It’s many people’s view that surround Obama. It’s Obama’s view.

    • That’s consistent with many of the people Obama surrounds himself with. Obama being anti gay is like dubya snorting cocaine. We all know it’s true, but the MSM will pretend it’s not.

      • Indeed, it’s so obvious, so why don’t any of my lesbian friends get it? Well, one gets it, and she’s a Hillary fan, but that’s it. One of them has not one, but two, giant Obama coffee table books in her living room. I just don’t get it.

        • Give your lesbian friends another six months and they will lose the books.

          Signed – a lesbian who has always understood that Obama and his supporters are/were lying about lovin’ the gay.

          • It would seem logical that they will come around, but I don’t have much hope for change. They seem so locked in, like they are guilt-ridden if they think anything less than the most irrationally positive thoughts about 0.

            It is incredible. My friends are bright, passionate, doers and shakers. But when it comes to 0, they become irrational, subdued, Stepford lesbians.


          • Erica – I hope your friends caught Rachel tonight. She spent more than half of the show on DADT. At the end she called out Obama for his lie that he has a “plan” for ending DADT. Rachel dug and dug and found out the “plan” is just Obama’s hope that the Senate will change it.

            Rachel indicated that she does not think anyone in D.C. will return her calls after tonight.

          • I missed Maddow’s show, but I know she’s covered DADT consistently, which I appreciate. If she’s burning bridges in DC, she’s probably on the right track.

        • Hey Erica

          I am a lesbian and since 2008 it has been isolating and painful to watch the number of lesbians I know who jumped on the Obama bandwagon. He never fooled me. How could anyone have been fooled during his “Jesus can make you straight” Southern revival tour!!
          Do the lesbians who fell prey have daddy issues? Was it the creative class cool thing to do and throw a woman under the bus? I don’t have the answer

          • I don’t have the answer, either. Luckily, my friendships are reviving, but there are huge topics that we never discuss anymore, all revolving around 0, politics, the environment, etc. Anything that relates to him or his performance is off limits.

            During the primary, they all but called me r@cist for not supporting him, and I was incredulous that they would prefer such an unaccomplished man over someone of Hillary’s caliber. When I didn’t vote for him in the General, I thought my decades of friendship were over, and for about a year, they were.

            Daddy issues? Don’t know. I’ve thought it’s more about r@ce, guilt, and internalized sexism. Cause it sure wasn’t about his expertise or readiness for the job.

          • Axlerove knows what he’s doing. He knows who’s susceptible to guilt tripping.

          • Axelrod knows how to work a Democratic primary electorate. He doesn’t have a clue how to work a general election electorate –that was Wall Street’s and the corporate media’s doing in 2008.

          • Well, in fairness, he doesn’t even know how to work a primary electorate well enough, although the fact that Elmer Gantry got any votes at all is amazing. He knows what buttons to push, but there aren’t enough people who are susceptible to his bs to allow him to win, just enough to make things ugly and uncomfortable.

      • That’s consistent with the Repub leanings of this administration.

    • I recognize that language. It’s from trinity church o hate- rev wrights ol stomping grounds. When asked about Donald young, their pr person said well, he’d made that lifestyle choice, and so well…

  27. I’m sure there is voice analysis technology out there. Why don’t they research who made the remark? To my ears, the voice sounded like Jerry Brown’s. I guess we’ll never know.

    BTW, back in ’09, Alan Grayson called a woman a whore and refused to apologize. What the hell is it with some liberal men? Do they feel they can get away with it because they have lib creds?

    • They feel they can get away with it because they do. Until they are made to pay, why would they stop?

    • They don’t just get away with it, they thrive with it. Every single time. It’s the one never-fail foolproof strategy they have, or so they think. And you know the Dems, they stick with a losing strategy for 100 years after it becomes a losing strategy. With no prospect of a loss anywhere on the horizon with this, welcome to the future.

  28. Oops, I meant that to nest re. Brown controversy. NOW has endorsed Grayson, btw. Calling women whores is okay sometimes but sometimes not in NOW’s book, I guess.

  29. okay, this is really discouraging … Valerie Jarrett in an interview


    Wednesday, October 13, 2010

    WH’s Jarrett: Dead Gay Bully Victim
    Made ‘Lifestyle Choice’

    The last time I heard anyone use the obnoxious phrase “lifestyle choice” to describe a gay person’s sexual orientation was during the Bill Clinton presidency when the gays were accused of wanting “special rights.”

    Today the Washington Post’s gay kapo Jonathan Capehart shares a video interview he conducted on Monday with senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett. She clearly states a belief that Minnesota gay teen Justin Aarberg, who committed suicide in July after being bullied, made a “lifestyle choice.”

  30. Did she just say evolution is a local issue? WTF? It’s science! It’s a friggin theory! How can it even been an issue?

    • LOL. That’s the best crazy winger idea ever.

    • Maybe it’s like gravity fields, where gravity can vary. So too maybe there are evolution fields and it’s effects fluctuate. LOL.

    • Theory is not a theorem. I think evolution is a widely accepted theory, and the evidence is very strong. Since there’s no other explanation that fits as well as that exposed by Darwin, we accept it. But that’s all we can say. I also don’t want any other theory, such as creationism, pushed in the schools because those other explanations are weaker than evolution. But I think people are not crazy if they don’t want to accept it. I’m okay with that.

      theory |ˈθēərē; ˈθi(ə)rē|
      noun ( pl. -ries)
      a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained : Darwin’s theory of evolution.

      supposition |ˌsəpəˈzi sh ən|
      an uncertain belief : they were working on the supposition that his death was murder | their outrage was based on supposition and hearsay.

      • I think a good question for someone like O’Donnell is not what she believes, but whether she wants creationism or another theory to be taught in school. I think that’s the issue. I think schools have to teach the best theories, such as evolution and the big bang. Theories can and are debunked.

        • In scientific nomenclature, “theory” is astronomically more definitive than the lay meaning.

          • I think the evolution theory is so strong, that to dismiss it is not smart. I think we’ll get to a point that we’ll prove that evolution is no longer a theory. We’re almost there, as we understand mutation and other stages of development.

      • Nothing in the theory of evolution is inconsistent with many ideas of deity.

        The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution should not have been dismissed and claimed it is compatible with the Christian view of Creation.


        • I think Genesis parallels evolution. Fish are first, then the birds (came from dinosaurs) then land animals (mammals) and man is the last. But of course Genesis was written as a simple imaginative story.

          The creation part of Genesis is beautiful, imo.

        • Sounds like there they have come around to the moderate Southern Baptist view at the church my liberal feminist Southern Baptist mother had us kid attend until we were old enough to make our own choices in religious belief (in moderate Southern Baptist tradition that’s 13 years old). That period was later 1960’s-later 1970’s (Before the right wing extremists took over the Southern Baptist Convention in the 1980’s.

          At 13 I stopped going to church (and apparently my arguments were reasonable enough that my mother decided to stop going herself soon after- which saved my younger sister from having to endure the start of the right wing extremists take over of the Southern Baptists. When I was growing up, liberal SB like my mom thought of Billy Graham as a right wing extremist, nowadays he’s barely in the conservative camp! And Jimmy Carter, who during the 1970’s, sort of straddled the line between Moderate SB and Conservatives is seen by the SBC as a extreme lefty Baptist, while they think standard moderate SB like Bill Clinton isn’t a Christian at all) and I became a vaguely Elaine Pagels type liberal feminist Gnostic Christian, went through a few more years religious self-discovery and became a real Wiccan at 19. (Not O’Donnell’s type of rebellious religious right winger teenagers pretending to be “Satanic Witches” after viewing “Children of the Corn” a few too many times… I knew way too many of those kids, irritated the heck out of me, because the real Wiccan path was the polar opposite of that stupid stuff, self-directed spiritual development, feeling an intense connection to nature and the cycle of the seasons, Goddess centered, decidedly profeminist, reverence for animals, etc… )

  31. Scary hippie ad:

    • Oh yeah – he’s a Democrat

      • My kind of Democrat. I’d have nothing to do with Pelosi either. We’re all at war with her. From the WH insider:

        A war? There is a war between Pelosi and Obama? Yes. As extreme as that sounds, that pretty much sums up the situation now between the Speaker and the White House. They are certainly not on friendly terms. Did you notice how there was almost no public comments coming from Pelosi for weeks? She went quiet. Apparently she was directed by White House staff to minimize her public comments in the final months prior to the midterms because she had become such a political liability. That is how she was described by the White House – a liability. White House staff told that to her face. And you know what? The speaker went along with it. It had to be tough, because she is as proud a woman as you will find, but she conceded to the White House’s request that she remain quiet. At least for a while. Now she is speaking out again, and if you read her words carefully, you can see them being directed at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, as well as her own Democrats in Congress. She is now reasserting herself as the leader of the party, no longer trusting the White House to deliver an effective message to voters. I believe the lame duck session following the midterms is going to prove extremely…interesting.

        • Obama calling Pelosi a liability, now that’s rich.

          I swear, you couldn’t make this stuff up.

          • She should never have expected it, given O’s trackrecord. She’s just so *different* from all of his other hapless scapegoats! So special!

          • Yeah, no clues there, none at all.

          • As much as I hated GWB, at least he, unlike BO, always demonstrated utmost loyalty to his minions and sycophants. BO just throws them under the proverbial bus every time. Can’t say that I feel sorry for Nancy P, though.

  32. I was wrong. Obama will NOT wait until after Election Day to appeal the DADT injunction. Silly me! Forgot he wants to lose this and blame us!

    • That’s is very good news for the GOP. He’s thrown all those superdelegates under the bus. I’m not unhappy about that.

    • That figures. The fierce advocacy of “I don’t give a s#it, but I pretend to real well.”

      Not only does a repub gay group sue to stop DADT, but the dem pres is expected to appeal.

      Then, I saw at Uppity’s that Ted Poe (R, Texas) in the house introduced a bill to establish Domestic Violence Awareness Month. He gave a moving speech to a virtually empty chamber.

      Politics is full of surprises lately, and I hope they keep on rolling come November.

      BTW, Uppity is at 2 million hits!

  33. You make the assumption that Obama is still interested in being POTUS.
    Who knows, perhaps his asperation is to be Piope of Rome in 2013.
    Either way, wake me when there is a real Democrat deserving of my vote. Until then I will sit on the side lines typing snarky posts, watching anime and reading manga as I have had it.

  34. Goodnight all, I’m going to go contemplate my lifestyle choices for a few minutes before bed.

    • Awww. Don’t consult your hypothetical pastor about it, though. Be a rebel 🙂
      Night, Erica.

      • My pastor is lovely, but I think it’s only fair to consult my girlfriend, since it’s her lifestyle too.

        Night Wonk, thanks for all your good posts of late, they’ve been great.

  35. Hey, what happened to my avatar? I was a pink crab with red arms and bunny ears, and now I’m a little gnome in a brown dress and what, 3 tails?

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