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WTF Week continues


Over at the Plum Line at WaPo they are calling the above clip “Sharron Angle’s ‘Willie Horton’ ad.”


 

Between her thinly veiled endorsements of violence, her railing against government spending while receiving government health care, and her recently revealed attempts to force third-party candidate Scott Ashjian out of the race, Sharron Angle’s extremism has turned her race against Harry Reid from an easy romp for Republicans to a winnable race for Democrats. Her campaign’s latest ad, attacking Reid for his support of the DREAM Act, which Greg mentioned earlier in his roundup, is as despicable as it is desperate. In its naked appeal to racial animus against Latinos, it rivals the infamous 1988 “Willie Horton” ad deployed against Michael Dukakis.


Now I’m no fan of Sharron Angle but she’s running against Dirty Harry Reid. Talk about Dumb and Dumber. Unfortunately, one of them is going to win.

But it is an article of faith among progressives that Willie Horton = racist dogwhistle.

Let’s talk about that. Here’s the actual Willie Horton ad from 1988:

 



 
Horton was a convicted murderer who was serving a sentence of life without parole in Massachusetts. In 1986 Horton was released from prison as part of a weekend furlough program but did not return. In 1987 in Maryland Horton raped a woman twice after pistol-whipping, stabbing, tying up and gagging her fiancé. He then stole the man’s car but was later captured by police after a chase.

Horton was sentenced in Maryland to two consecutive life terms plus 85 years. The sentencing judge, Vincent J. Femia, refused to return Horton to Massachusetts, saying, “I’m not prepared to take the chance that Mr. Horton might again be furloughed or otherwise released. This man should never draw a breath of free air again.”

I have to agree with the judge on that one. But later the Horton case became in issue in the 1988 Presidential campaign between Michael Dukakis and George the Elder. Wikipedia:

Democratic Presidential candidate Michael Dukakis was the governor of Massachusetts at the time of Horton’s release, and while he did not start the furlough program, he had supported it as a method of criminal rehabilitation. The State inmate furlough program was actually signed into law by Republican Governor Francis W. Sargent in 1972. However, under Sargent, convicted first-degree murderers were not eligible for furlough. After the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled that this right extended to first-degree murderers, the Massachusetts legislature quickly passed a bill prohibiting furloughs for such inmates. However, in 1976, Dukakis vetoed this bill.[2] The program remained in effect through the intervening term of governor Edward J. King and was abolished during Dukakis’ final term of office on April 28, 1988. This abolition only occurred after the Lawrence Eagle Tribune had run 175 stories about the furlough program and won a Pulitzer Prize.[5] Dukakis continued to argue that the program was 99 percent effective; yet, as the Lawrence Eagle Tribune pointed out, no state outside of Massachusetts, nor any federal program, would grant a furlough to a prisoner serving life without parole.

According to progressives it was all about the color of Horton’s skin. So let’s say Willie looked like this:


Do you really think people would have reacted differently in response to the ad if Horton was a scary-looking white skinhead? Seriously?

What’s that? The problem is that Willie Horton was only “scary-looking” because he was black? Okay, fair enough. What if Horton looked like this?


Not a boy scout

 


 

If he looked like that would people think it was okay to give him a furlough?



I’m gonna commit heresy and say you don’t have to be a racist to have a problem with illegal immigration, especially in tough economic times when unemployment is high. Right now there are estimated to be over ten million non-citizens within our borders who are here illegally.

Does anyone honestly believe that if they were all white, English-speaking Canadians that illegal immigration would suddenly become a non-issue?

I’m not denying that racism is a factor in anti-immigration campaigns, but it isn’t the only factor. Xenophobia and nativism are bigger factors, but they’re not the same thing as racism.

Is it racist to fear losing your job to an immigrant? Let’s not forget that historically immigrant workers have been used as scabs and to hold down wages. During the Great Depression there were efforts to keep white, English-speaking American citizens from Oklahoma out of California. That wasn’t right but it certainly wasn’t racism either.

We need immigration reform. I’m not anti-immigrant, but what we have now ain’t working. I’d like to see some kind of amnesty for otherwise law-abiding unlawful immigrants along with stricter enforcement against employers (including the so-called “labor contractors.”) But even more than that I’d like to see people discussing the issue calmly and rationally.

We’re not going to get rid of the problems facing our country unless we deal with them in an open and forthright manner. Demonizing people we disagree with doesn’t help.


BTW – Because undocumented aliens cannot get drivers licenses they drive without them. This also means they can’t get insurance, so they drive without that too.


129 Responses

  1. My only problem with the ad is its truthfulness. I don’t know how Reid could give tax breaks to illegal aliens. First of all, illegals have no SS number, unless it’s stolen. I don’t know about giving SS to illegals. That T.V. ad needs to be fact checked, imo.

    • But that would mean dealing with the issues, and we can’t allow that shit.

      • Yeah, with regards the college education for illegals, I think the bill was simply giving residence if the illegal had a college degree. It was not about paying for tuition at Standford. I think the colleges are already burdened enough and don’t need illegals. But I’m way to the right of the professional left.

        • The stickler on that, for some, is the in-state tuition thing. They don’t think it’s fair that a citizen from Nebraska cannot get the in-state discount in CA, but someone who is not even a legal resident of the country can.

          I can kind of see both sides on that one. But I think stuff like that is a red herring to drum up votes either way. Solve the immigration problems first, then backtrack to doing things like that, and it would go over a lot better.

        • The problem is that if a college degree is all it takes, you can get an easy program and pay a few thousand dollars in tuition and essentially buy citizenship. I’d favor the other part where you serve a term in the military to gain citizenship, a process that’s been in place for some time.

    • I’m really confused. What part of ILLEGAL don’t they understand???

      Illegal means you go to jail, you should be sent back from whence you came, or we need to develop a new punishment. Illegal is defined by Websters as:
      “1. forbidden by law or statute.
      2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.: The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass. ”

      Wha, what, uh, huh???

      • Being in the United States of America without “proper” papers is a misdemeanor and not punishable by jail time. Over-staying one’s visa, having entered the country “legally” is also a misdemeanor, but because it’s mostly thousands of invisible, white Europeans who do this, we never hear them addressed as “illegals”.

        • But they can be kept in detention centers. There is one in Elizabeth, NJ. And yep, there are no white detainees in it. I read a book by a woman who was kept in the Elizabeth detention center for a long time after arriving by plane at Newark Airport and asking for political asylum. She was fleeing an arranged marriage to a much older polygamist man and FGM in Togo. After an altercation trashed the center she and other detainees were housed in a local jail. After more than 2 years (I forget exactly how long) she was finally granted asylum. Others weren’t so lucky.

        • Sophie — totally agree. When most people think of illegals, they think of the movie “El Norte”.

    • Sharon Angel wants to DO AWAY WITH SOCIAL SECURITY! SCARY!!

      The Nation Exposes Lou Dobbs’s Reliance on Undocumented Labor – Democracy Now Goodman Tea Party Hypocrite who is hoping to run on FEAR and SCARY ALIENS in 2012 Those ALIENS are SCARY except when they are doing your work!

      • Why are you posting this in an old thread?

        If you want people to see it post it in a new thread.

        • I have been working two and a half jobs to pay my mortgage, run my business and have been talking for 4 and a half hours two days a week + a long commute (imagine I get paid to TALK), and am just catching up with your posts! So, OH great clown, I didn’t know it was a crime to read old posts and comment!?! Will you be pressing for a felony or just GPS me????

          OH, and I haven’t laid anyone off! I should get credit for that…ME THINKS 😉

    • NV Seniors Outraged By Sharron Angle’s Plan to Eliminate Social Security

  2. On the subject of ads…

    GOP ad casting call: ‘hicky’ W.Va. look
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43254.html

    • But the GOP didn’t use that language, the company they hired did.

      • Noted. What if the situation was turned. “Obama/Democrats didn’t use that language, the company they hired did.” I wouldn’t give O and the Dems much of a pass for that. I just think it goes to show how dumb and dumber our political class is.

        As far as Angle’s ad, the graphic/narration at 21 seconds in had a stereotype feel to it imho. It just seemed really corny.

        • The ad would look kind of weird if it showed three white guys in business suits and tasseled loafers sneaking across the border, wouldn’t it?

          • I don’t know, considering the actual damage that white guys in business suits and tasseled loafers are doing and that they’re often the ones hiring undocumented workers, maybe the ad really should be about them.

          • Then Harry Reid should be doing something about that.

            There’s a lot of blue collar types hiring illegal aliens as well,like contractors and farmers.

          • Why? Tons of immigrants are here illegally because they jumped their visas. If she’s serious about the issue there’s no particular reason to focus on people sneaking across the border.

          • That’s true, but the State Department knows who has a Visa, even if they don’t know who overstayed. People coming across the border have no records.

          • But this ad is about benefits, not security. If the issue is benefits, it really doesn’t seem necessary to show only Latino border jumpers in contrast to happy, smiling college graduates (unless they’re supposed to represent sinister Canadian visa/border jumpers stealing Americans’ college educations or something).

          • Yeah it just grated on a visceral level. I didn’t think “Racist” or “Willie Horton” … I thought it was really dumb and hokey and Weevil and the PCHers (Latino biker gang) from Veronica Mars were going to show up on the screen next.

          • Lol I think Weevil is too skinny and scrawny to make the casting cut.

          • Originally, she was planning on half people skulking around the fence and half singing, dancing gang members, but they decided that would confuse the issue.

          • Right. And she’s appealing to her local constituents who are facing the real problem of “border jumpers,” bringing with them drugs and disease (i.e., tuberculosis).

    • John Cole at Buffoon Juice:

      As a life-long West Virginian, I am not the least bit insulted. In fact, whenever I hear things like this, I hope the attitude spreads and everyone thinks my little slice of heaven is nothing but a bunch of ignorant no teeth redneck hillbilly hicks. Spread the word- it is unbearable here! That way none of you out-of-towners will move here and screw things up like you did to your own damned cities and states. We like knowing our neighbors, leaving the car unlocked, and being able to not worry about our kids while they run around town playing. Stay the hell away.

      And just on a technical note, whoever shot that commercial could really use some wardrobe advice. I’ve lived here for 40 years, and no one sits around the bar or diner dressed up in their Sunday best like they are in that commercial. We save the good hats for church and doctor’s appointments.

  3. Just as Meg Whitman paid all federal and state taxes and FICA for Nickie, her illegal housekeeper, many business owners who hire illegals with hold and pay these taxes for them.

    And employers match the FICA. It equals almost 15% of the wages!
    Those illegal immigrant workers will never be claiming their paid in FICA socuial security.

    Many illegals don’t even try to claim refunds on their income taxes that was withheld..
    This is a HUGE stream of revenue to the Gov’t.

    • Ayup.

      I’m thinking about letting some hard working UA use my SSN to boost my retirement.

      • Yeah, but then the IRS may come after you if he doesn’t pay his taxes. Happened to my brother-in-law.

    • Billions of dollars from illegals have gone to SS, and therefore to finance the U.S. Treasury borrowing since that’s the agency that uses the funds.

      • Which is a big reason that neither party really wants to solve the problem. It’s income, and it’s a handy vote-driver for election years, on both sides.

      • And this is why the IRS created the Tax ID number. If you’re not committing identity theft and working illegally, you can still request and use a Tax ID from the IRS to pay your taxes to avoid tax evasion xharges. Some places even use it as de facto ID. The money keeps flowing.

  4. A lot of people don’t realize this, but Cesar Chavez, hero of the United Farm Workers, was vehemently against illegal immigration. He sometimes went so far as to take farm workers down to the border and try to stop illegals from coming over.

    Why? Not because he hated Hispanics, obviously. But because he rightly understood that it undercut his efforts to get a living wage for migrant and other farm workers here legally.

    There are a few bozos out there who are all “don;t let them dirty messicans in the country”, but they are VERY few. And the reason why many people do NOT want to discuss “comprehensive reform” is that they have been burned on that issue too many times before. The politicians say, “Yes, we’ll get a handle on the border, as part of a package to give citizenship to those already here.”

    Well, the people have been reasonable and said “okay” to that. A couple of times. The result? The amnesty worked like a charm, but the govt did NOTHING to keep the second part of that pledge and stem the tide. So people start digging in their heels and saying “We are not even going to DISCUSS the ones already here until you do something about the border. Do that first, then we’ll talk.” Stubborn? Maybe. But its once again an issue of not trusting a damn thing the politicians say.

    Everyone who has issues with the never-ending flood of completely uncontrolled illegals coming across the border is NOT a xenophobe. Sorry, but find me any other civilized country in the world that allows anyone from anywhere to just waltz in and start working and enjoying all the benefits of a citizen. They DON’T. Is all of Europe raycist? Is Canada? Is Mexico? Countries have a right to know who is coming in, and to document them properly. It is dangerous and irresponsible to do otherwise.

    The wacko “open borders” crowd are just as responsible for the polarization of this issue as the xenophobes are. NEITHER are a majority. But they are the only ones who get heard.

    And BTW, the most strident opponent of illegal immigration I personally know is my Mexican-born brother-in-law, who fled poverty and corruption and violence to come here in the 70’s, and cried like a baby the day he took his oath of citizenship in the 90’s And he is PISSED that no one seems to want to solve this issue in any meaningful way – just throw stinkbombs at the extremists on either side.

    • Oops. can someone close my bold tag right after “okay to that”?

      • The Hispanics are divided on the issue. I do wish that undocumented people would stop coming over the border. It’s a huge problem for everyone, except the politicians. For them, it’s a win, win.

        • They pass draconian laws against hiring UA’s and then cut off any money for enforcement.

          Win-win.

        • Yeah, there is a variety of opinion among Hispanics. I live in a city that is 60% Hispanic, though, and very very few here are of the “open borders” mindset. They aren’t stupid – they know that that path is risky to their livelihoods and businesses.

          One beef I do hear is that if we want legal immigration (and most would prefer that), then we need to issue visas for the sorts of jobs these people do. The USA issues almost zero visas for unskilled labor, which is what the majority coming here actually are. It does no good to tell them “get in line”, when they are not going to get a visa for their skill set, regardless of how long they wait.

          It’s a complicated issue, but not insurmountable if the idiot politicos had any real commitment to solving it.

        • Did you see that Lou Dobbs got caught with Five undocumenteds tending horses and such on his estate? It was over on Think Progress.

          • I saw that – apparently he uses a “personelle agency” to hire for him, he “assumed” that they had checked out their legal status – they hadn’t.

            I know he’s come out against illegals in the past.

          • The left is playing with fire here. If Whitman and Dobbs are just the first wave of this, you’ll see thousands of undocumented workers join the unemployment pool.

            The Nation’s article is thin at best. First, they use the tactic of quoting “illegal” as if immigrants who don’t have visas and commit identity fraud are not doing something illegal at all.

            None of the undocumented workers were hired by Dobbs directly, but by contractors. In some cases, he even requested that they have a clean immigration status. Now, I suppose he could have gone up to each Hispanic in his sight and asked for their papers, but I suspect the Nation would have printed an even worse story over that.

            Dobbs is on Crazy Larry O’Donnell’s show tonight to respond. I have no idea why he picked that venue.

          • Joanelle,

            I don’t think he’s come out against illegals. He has said that the illegals are the only logical actors in this situation, using the stupid immigration laws to get work and send money home in some cases. Mostly, he doesn’t like that a)we have no idea if criminals are coming across a poorly guarded border b)illegal immigrants are depressing the wage structure and c)immigrants in the process of becoming citizens are being screwed over.

            Dobbs also criticizes the US trade policy with China. He doesn’t like the Chinese government, but he has no animus toward Chinese people.

          • Yes, 1539days, I stand corrected, you are right about Dobbs.

          • Just reading through here. My daughter used to do pr at CNN for Lou Dobbs and went to his 4th of July party he has every year–he’s quite a character. She told me that his wife is Mexican and her parents live with them on a ranch in New Jersey somewhere. She’s pretty left but she really did like Dobbs–she said he doesn’t give a sh*t what people think of him. I’ll be interested to see what happens with this.

          • I’m going to put one up of me standing in my living room and see if that looks less weird.

    • Oh, and countries also have every right to determine how fast, and in what numbers per year, they allow immigration, and from where. It may vary, depending on demand, and the jobs situation. That’s not xenophobia, it’s just common sense. It does put some pressures on society, and you have to do it in numbers that can be absorbed. Otherwise you end up with what we have now – resentment and polarization. Any govt’s primary responsibility is to its own citizens, and their economic needs.

      • I agree with you. I think the xenophobia charge is like the raycist charge. There are people who are xenophobic and raycists, but it’s not the reason most people are against undocumented immigrants. It’s convenient to politicize the issue as another distraction.

      • WMCB — I totally agree with you. And the people I’ve heard most vehemently against illegal alien Hispanics getting the same rights as citizens are those Latinos who struggled to get here legally and get those privileges.

        The worst part is those who have overstayed their visas. and here illegally would have had to pay for their visas in the first place so they came from some sort of moneyed background. It doesn’t matter if they are Hispanic or from whatever country. Getting into America is not cheap.

        BTW, I also have family members who are legally emigrated Latinos and one who overstayed his student visa, was caught and tried to defraud the fed govt in the process. Incidentally, it was the illegal one who called me and the rest of my family “racist” and “anti-immigrant”. Long story short but when he got back into the US legally, he was employed overseeing illegal Latinos.

  5. I luv these new hovercards from WordPress.

    Dakinikat’s says:

    professor of economics, jazz pianist, vajrayana buddhist, mother of two young women.

    1539days’ says:

    I’m like a word a day calendar for executive disasters.

    Mine says:

    If I told you I’d have to kill you.

    • They are new, aren’t they? I wondered where was I when they appeared!

    • It seems to be tied into the gravatars.

    • oy, just what we needed!

      • Yours surprised me. It was like you had jumped out from behind a bush and yelled “boo!”

        • I’m changing it back to one of my others. The one that my friend took before I went to a gig. I have the negative and the original photo for that one. The other one was from my picture at the university’s faculty listing and the secretary took it. He has the negative, etc. When it upsizes, the pixels go wild.

          I’m not sure I like this feature.

          • But everyone knows it’s the resolution that’s at fault, not your picture. It’s a beautiful picture.
            But if you really don’t like it, there’s an option on the lower right of your profile that appears to the right of the avatar that says “turn off hovercards.”

          • I don’t understand. I’m not seeing anything different. I have those pop up things turned off. Is that what you’re talking about?

          • I love this picture! I like it better than the glamor shot you had before. You look pretty in both, but this one is more down to earth looking.

          • OK, now I see. How do I put a description in mine?

          • it’s in your profile

          • No, you pass the mouse over the avatar and the person’s name and profile appears to the right. You click on the name and an enlarged version of the avatar appears. For me, it works on my laptop but not on my desktop computer. I don’t know if it’s a pop up or not, but you might try disabling your pop up blocker. Or maybe it’s your browser. My desktop computer has AOL and my laptop has Mozilla Firefox.

          • the picture I went back to (glamor shot?) was just me sitting at my neighbor’s dining room table getting ready to go to a gig in the quarter. The blurry one was taken by the department secretary of me in my office for the department web page.

          • Well, that explains why the blurry one looks more down to earth, lol! I like your present avatar more than your previous one.

          • I don’t know what you mean by “the blurry one.” You used to have a photo that looked like it was professionally taken. That’s the one I think of as a glamor shot.

          • the one I think you’re seeing right now with me and a white shirt is blurry, it’s not a clear shot. The one that looks professional taken was taken with my camera sitting at my friends dining room table in the quarter. I was smoking a cigar before going to my nightly gig at Irene’s. It might have been Bombay club … either one or the other. I’ll have to tell Michelle that she’s a professional! She’ll be thrilled!

          • Dak — you actually look younger too! IF you care about that (and what women doesn’t want to look good and healthy for her age?). :0

      • dakinikat, I didn’t realize that you’re a jazz pianist. My husband is a jazz pianist. When I met him I was a punk rocker and I turned him on to the Ramones and The Damned, he returned the favor and turned me on to McCoy Tyner and Bill Evans. 🙂

        • yup, I was classically trained by my concert pianist mother since like 2-3 years old, but I really fell in love with jazz when I was around 12-13. I used to gig down here about five – six nights a week prior to katrina. Now I just sorta come out and play on the odd occasion. I also compose.

    • Ha, those are fun. Now I wonder where you go to change them. Halloween is coming after all…

  6. Right now in the White House Situation Room some of our government’s top minds are trying to figure out how to call this guy a racist:

    • LOL! He’lll debate them all at once!

      I may be dating myself here, but the first thing that popped into my head was the old schoolyard taunt: “Yo Mama, yo Daddy, yo greasy greasy grannie!”

      One reason these candidates are a threat is because they can credibly say that they are not the old, Bush/Cheney GOP. I don’t think they have the best solutions, but they are hammering that anti-establishment drum very effectively. How the heck can Obama and his cohorts run against “the Man”, when they ARE the Man? They are lost and floundering.

      • Remember when Obama tried to make Limbigdisgustingpig the face of the GOP?

        Rush turned around and challenged him to a debate.

        “Never argue with a pig. It wastes your time and the pig enjoys it.”

    • Wiki has an entry about Republican candidate West — leading Ron Klein by a couple points, per the article.

      Spent time in Iraq, interesting interrogation technique.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_(politician)

  7. That is one of the most rational essays on the subject that I’ve read in quite some time. The whole issue [immigration] is a flashpoint for so many people. And the politicians play it every way they can. Solutions? Not so much.

    I want our borders secured. I’m tired of hearing the border is too big, it’s too expensive, too complicated.

    Come on. We’ve got our military all over the world, protecting other people’s borders. We sent a man to the moon. You’re telling me these pols can’t figure out a way to secure our southern border?

    It doesn’t get done because obviously they don’t want it done for dozens of reasons: votes, money, corporate push back [nothing like that cheap labor], lack of will, etc., etc.

    I, too, want to see a reasonable and humane immigration reform bill. But until we secure the borders for real, any reform we enact will be an effort in futility. We’ve already gone that route. It doesn’t work.

    And so it goes round and round. I don’t think most of this noise about illegals has to do with racism. Historically, we see the same angst and anger when the economy has taken a dive. And you’ve given good examples. Anyone who read Steinbeck’s “Grapes of Wrath” know the Oakies were not welcome in California.

    People are worried, even scared as they were during the 1930s. And frankly, they have reason to be.

  8. Today Bob Braun of the regional northern NJ newspaper, the Star Ledger raised the issue of why the Rutgers student Tyler Climenti is getting so much press and sympathy (he’s white) while Seton Hall University student Jessica Moore (African American) who was shot to death by another AA man after he was turned away from a fraternity party in East Orange, NJ has not gotten the same level of coverage.

    He posited that they are playing racial games – I don’t think Climenti’s issue was based on homophobia as some have suggested or that Jessica’s issue had anything to do with her race.

    The fellow who shot her had been doing drugs and drinking and shot four other people in his random shots.

    Climenti’s issue was purely an invasion of privacy issue and misuse of the internet. Who among us would not be driven to extremes if our intimate actions were broadcast online? Perhaps not suicide but certainly extreme reactions.

    We’ve seen the internet playing a new role in young people’s poor judgement of it’s use. Climenti was just one of a few instances recently where suicides have occured because of it’s misuse.

    The press has gotten way out of line with their raycist accusations, driving people to react in unprecidented ways.

    • Yes, Tyler’s suicide was based in society’s homophobia.

      Do you know a single heterosexual male his age who would respond to having a sexual encounter posted to the net by jumping off the George Washington Bridge? Give me a fucking break. Tyler’s asshole roommate basically outed him to the entire world in the crudest way possible. Apart from shaming and dehumanizing him–Step right up, dudes and dudettes, look at the queer freak doing what queer freaks do!–that video made Tyler a potential target for the kind of harrassment that’s driven other LGBT youngsters to take their own lives.

      Why didn’t get Jessica’s murder get as much attention? Because she’s female–violence against women, whether implicit or overt, is normalized in our society.

      • I agree about Tyler, and I thought Jessica’s murder got a lot of coverage. Maybe there was a differential in NJ, but not nationally? The Rutgers situation got a lot of attention because of the many young people around the country who have committed suicide after being bullied. Tyler was just out of hs, only 18 or 19 and obviously very emotionally vulnerable.

        Many of the younger kids who have committed suicide were being bullied with homophobic attacks.

        • And I’d say that it also has received more press because of the bullying of students that’s been increasing on the internet.

      • Agree about Jessica – her murder didn’t get nearly as much coverage as Tyler’s suicide where I am.
        I’ve been over the GW Bridge about a million times. The thought of jumping off the thing makes me shudder – it’s a looong way from the bridge down to the Hudson River.

      • You know, in the wake of Tyler’s suicide I did some googling and got interesting results. First I googled “gay murders” and got a list of items about gay men being murdered. Then I googled “lesbian murders” and got a list of lesbians who had committed murder.

    • I disagree. The young man at Rutgers clearly was being harrassed because he was having an encounter with another man. I don’t think it would have been at all the same if he were heterosexual.

  9. Can we say GWB the second? This sounds vaguely familiar:

    A US terror alert issued this week about al-Qaida plots to attack targets in western Europe was politically motivated and not based on credible new information, senior Pakistani diplomats and European intelligence officials have told the Guardian.

    The non-specific US warning, which despite its vagueness led Britain, France and other countries to raise their overseas terror alert levels, was an attempt to justify a recent escalation in US drone and helicopter attacks inside Pakistan that have “set the country on fire”, said Wajid Shamsul Hasan, the high commissioner to Britain.

    Hasan, a veteran diplomat who is close to Pakistan’s president, suggested the Obama administration was playing politics with the terror threat before next month’s mid-term congressional elections, in which the Republicans are expected to make big gains.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/07/barack-obama-terror-threat-claims

  10. I liked the first one better:

    • She’s coming across very wimpy. I think the first one was okay, but if she continues in this vein then she’s lost even the sympathy vote.

      People only sympathize with the underdog if the underdog is scrappy. She’s not scrappy here. Glad I don’t live in DE – I’d have to vote NOTA.

    • I kinda like them both. I’m going to google what her opponent is running. It is like the joke about two campers that are threatened by a bear. One starts putting on his sneakers and the other asks what he is doing and notes that the bear can easily outrun them. The guy putting on the sneakers, notes that he doesn’t have to outrun the bear, he just has to outrun his fellow camper. I drove through Delaware last weekend, it is what Marylanders do to get to the beach, and saw a fair number of O’Donnell signs. Didn’t see any Coons signs, but I wasn’t driving through the Democratic parts of the state.

  11. JoJo the talking donkey

    :

    ‘You’re the dullest audience I’ve ever spoken to’

  12. There can be no real immigration reform until the major corporations are held accountable. The big food processing facilities advertise for employees in Mexico. These workers are willing to work for far less than the meat packers of a generation or two ago. These workers are treated much like the animals they process. it’s a bad scene all the way around. The producers have a deal with the government, who deports the Mexicans in small groups so as not to adversely affect production.

  13. Test, wanna see my gravitar

  14. Remember the goofy kid from Gentle Ben?

  15. In today’s e-mail from Howard Dean:

    I have been in politics for a long time now and I have never seen more extreme candidates than the ones being pushed today by Sarah Palin.

    …they’re attacking our social safety net and the building blocks of the modern middle class. They want to kill Social Security and Medicare, abolish the minimum wage and end unemployment assistance. Some have even questioned basic civil rights.

    Is Sarah endorsing Obama now?

  16. “Yeah, there is a variety of opinion among Hispanics. I live in a city that is 60% Hispanic, though, and very very few here are of the “open borders” mindset. ”

    My mother is one of these. Very opposed to wide-open borders even though she came here (legally) decades ago, from Mexico.

    Don’t forget one of the earliest proponents of closing borders was Cesar Chavez, who correctly predicted that allowing unchecked immigration would lower wages.

  17. There ‘s been a research recently published in California addressing the subject of illegal immigration. One of the things that came out is that poor, unskilled workers only “take away” jobs from the native, poor, unskilled labor, not for the middle or upper-middle classes. For the latter, the research concludes that “illegals” (as they are so humanly called in this thread) make their lives easier and cheaper (nannies, food packers, housekeepers, fruit pickers,, etc.). And of course, they make more profits for the American corporations, or those that “misunderestimated” Bushie used to call “the have mores.”

    • Last time I checked we already have lots of poor, unskilled workers here.

      Since when did construction become unskilled labor?

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