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Dear Big Dawg, “This is our future”

Howyadoin’.  I catered the primary cocktail parties in 2008 and occasionally, I do pick up jobs here and there for RD and the other FP’s.  I’m a working class kind of guy working on my degree in nutrition and physical training.  Going to open a spa someday for all those rich ladies with too much time on their hands and too much lard on their asses.

Anyway, I saw that you were stumping for Ms. Blanche down in Arkansas.  And I read some of your remarks about who was funding her opponent.  It sounded to me like you were trying to make out like union people are “special interests”.  But then I thought that was probably just Politico taking your speech out of context again.  Bill Clinton could never mistake hundreds of millions of working class Americans as “special interests”.  I mean, the unions gave us the weekend and most of us don’t even have to belong to one.  I live for the weekends.

Then Florence, you remember her?  Did the coat check deal for the cocktail parties?  She’s been getting all crazy with that SyFy channel stuff and she starts watching this Caprica show about some brainy teenager hacker girl who gets blown up but comes back to life in the body of a robot through some transfer of the bits of her life that comprise her soul that fit on one of them USB drives and voile, a cylon is born.  I guess you have to follow these things to really understand it.  Florence says she’s doing a lot of coat check gigs in corporate HQs and the dudes sound just like this Graystone character.  Take a look:

Imagine that.  A subhuman race that does all the work and never needs to be fed.  Or paid even.  And they don’t complain.  It’s like a shareholder’s wet dream. When the cylon’s arm comes off and it spills the glass of water all over the table, that, my friend, is what you call a visual metaphor.

Ehhh, whaddaygonnado?  It’s the future, Bill. It’ll probably all turn out ok in the end. It’s not like this has all happened before or will happen again. I think that’s called a cultural reference, Bill.

By the way, I read this comment by Anne on TalkLeft about what some White House Senior Official said about Blanche winning.  Dollars to donuts it was Rahm.

And the reason the AFL spokesperson (5.00 / 2) (#21)
by Anne on Wed Jun 09, 2010 at 09:01:41 AM EST

shot back with “We are not an arm of the Democratic Party,” is because, according to the Politico article referenced in the post, a WH spokesperson said they’d

“flushed $10 million of their members’ money down the toilet” in the “pointless exercise” of supporting the failed bid of Bill Halter to unseat Sen. Blanche Lincoln.

Vale went on to say:

“If that’s their take on this, then they severely misread how the electorate feels and how we’re running our political program. When we say we’re only going to support elected officials who support our issues,” said AFL-CIO spokesman Eddie Vale. “When they say we should have targeted our money among some key house races among Blue Dog Democrats — that ain’t happening.”

Disturbing on a number of levels.

For one, the public dressing-down of unions for working to help defeat Lincoln and supporting the other Democrat, and for not assisting in the election of more Blue Dogs should make it obvious that the New Dems and this administration have disdain for and are indifferent to the interests of the working men and women that unions represent, that they believe their own political interests far outweigh the interests of the people.

For another, the Rahm Emmanuel plan to stock the Congress with more and more Blue Dogs continues apace.

So, where does this leave us liberals and progressives?  Well, considering that the New Dems have not stopped trying to throw us out of our own party because we have refused to submit to the Stepford treatment that would render us compliant and quiet, I’d say we have three tasks: make more noise and refuse to be ignored, work harder to throw their craven a$$e$ out if they continue to ignore us, and, think very seriously about using some of that energy and anger to form, if not a new party, a strong and visible bloc whose votes cannot afford to be dismissed out of hand.

Hey, you take care, Bill. Stop by for a drink sometime. And if you see the Missus, tell her we’re here for her. But all in all, we would have backed Halter. Just sayin’.

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  1. The way I look at it, this was a political fight beyond the unions. My take is that Bill Clinton doesn’t care for the Moveon.com and Markos group. I can’t blame him. It was good to see Bill go against those idiots and win. For those who want women in the Senate, Bill helped. Also, with Lincoln’s win, her amendment to regulate derivatives might survive. The banks don’t want it and for that reason, the WH doesn’t want it

    • See, here’s where I have a problem. Blanche is a pain in the ass. She’s hardly a Democrat at all and any time anything has to be passed, we end up playing footsie with her.
      It doesn’t matter who was working for Halter, working people in general are fed up. They’re so fed up they don’t even care about gay marriage anymore. Bill needs to look beyond Markos and Moveon and focus on the big picture.

      • Ditto.

      • To be fair, though, would it even have been effective for Clinton to support Halter? I’m not from AR, but I don’t get the feeling it’s exactly common for an ex-Prez (or, hell he might as well be a sitting Prez) to get involved with a challenger to a sitting Senator of his own party. Depending on what’s going on there in the state, it’s possible that it might have pissed some people off so much it might have produced a giant anti-Halter backlash or something. I don’t consider myself a particular BC apologist, but I do think his position and circumstances constrain him in some ways.

        • It was my understanding that Bill Clinton had already promised to Lincoln his support months before Halter announced he was running.

          • I wouldn’t be surprised. The big dawg seems to be pretty loyal. And he probably doesn’t like the cheeto types who helped rip Hillary to shreds in 2008..
            HOWEVER, that doesn’t make Blanche Lincoln a good senator. And if halter was almost beating her, that suggests a lot of discontent. So, I would advise Bill, who we all know and love, to take a good look at what is really going on with the working class. Hint: anyone who lives on a paycheck is working class these days and they know it.

          • We have all supported male democrats less liberal than Blanch Lincoln. For instance anyone who voted for Obama.

          • I don’t think I’ve supported any male Dems who are less liberal than BL. And I’d be surprised if anyone at TC voted for Obama.

        • BC understands Arkansas.

          • Yeah, I mean, if he endorses Halter and then Halter loses in the general, everyone is probably going to be pretty damn upset with him. I’m all for Profiles in Courage, but it is his home state, I can’t see anyone being particularly eager to get involved in that, especially from afar where he has little control and isn’t there participating on a daily basis.

      • actually she is a democrat, it all depends on what issues you look at.
        I am not blue dog, but I am a woman and I resent the pasty faced white guys union or not coming in and trying to defeat one of the few women democrats in office. Lincoln does what she has to do in Arkansas and if she loses you can bet Halter would have lost bigger. In addition the unions supported Obama who was the biggest blue dog yet.
        This was about unions acting just like the mirror image of the tea party folks and trying to force purity and punish a woman who represents her constituents instead of them.
        the union heads should go back to collective bargaining and stop trying to defeat democrats who are the choice of the people.

        ps… I belong to three unions and am fiercely pro-union. If this were about workers rather than bosses political power I would be more impressed with their actions.

    • The way I look at it, Dems in the Obama party have a knack for turning to crap by the time they are general election candidates. So I’m not particularly rooting for anyone in the D primaries this go-around. Also, it seemed to me like the Kos crowd / progs wanted to re-route their anger at Obama and lay it all at Blanche Lincoln’s doorstep just to feel better. I wasn’t rooting for her to win, but I’m glad to see her win drive the clueless progs nuts and mess with their CDS.. Couldn’t have happened to a better bunch.

      • Heh-heh. I don’t go to the cheeto anymore and I’ve never been a member of moveon. Is that what they’ve been up to lately? BFD. I could give a rat’s ass what they do.
        I just can’t stand Blanche. Or that Nelson guy from Nebraska.

      • I agree with Wonk. Kos et al are looking for some easy redemption for foisting Obama on us. And their favorite method is to bring a shiny new male face in and demonize an established woman leader. So boo-hoo to Halter. Better luck next time, buddy.

        I don’t know anything about Arkansas & its politics, and I doubt Kos & MoveOne do either. But Bill Clinton does and so does Blanche Lincoln.

        What’s the lesson from yesterday’s results? If you’re a GOP candidate, beg Palin to campaign for you. If you’re a Dem candidate, beg Clinton to campaign for you.

        • Voting for women simply because they’re women is just as bad as voting for a Democrat, any Democrat, back in 2006 and 2008. We got stuck with a lot of Blue Dogs.
          Blanche is not helping her party. Unless they WANT to be ineffective.

          • But why pick on Blanche first is the question. They are all worthless, why do they pick on the women first?
            Bros before hos, that’s why.

          • Blanche was selected, IMO, not because she was a woman or because she was demonstrably worse than some other possibilities. She was selected because campaigns are all about public advertising these days, and Arkansas is a cheap state in which to run tv and radio ads compared with northeastern or midwestern states. Just ask Ned Lamont, who spent $20 million of his own money to run a primary race in CT several years ago. Halter also had the advantage, unlike Lamont, of being a known name in the state.

          • bullshit. Get 30 percent women in office no matter what party and the country moves left and becomes more populist. Hillary was the more Union friendly, move liberal and more populist candidate and these guys supported Obama.
            Voting for a woman, any woman is a very smart choice.

          • Taurine excrement right back at ya, TIP. A Blue Dog is a Blue Dog, and I find gender irrelevant here.

            Hopefully, her near-defeat will remind Sen. Lincoln to pay more attention to us working stiffs and less to fat cats.

      • And then there’s that. 🙂 Go, Wonk, go!

      • yeah and they will rant and rave about BC supporting a conservative and how DLC he is etc… and completely ignore the elephant in the room with the initials Barack Obama.

        • Teresa, voting for blanche the conservative just because she’s a woman is just as bad as voting for Obama the conservative just because he is black. A lot of people didn’t look past his skin color in 2008 and we are all paying for it. In our case, Obama’s race was not a factor. We looked at his record and then looked at all the underhanded things his campaign did. Smoke did not get in our eyes.
          Likewise with Lincoln. She has been unhelpful towards working Americans. She is indistinguishable from olympia snowe. It wouldn’t matter so much if she were just a congressperson but as a senator, her holdout votes and republicanesque positions have more impact on all of us. I would dearly love more women in the senate but not if they’re going to act lime fricking republicans.

    • OIC… so Blanch is not totally evil? So she votes for unions 70 percent of the time rather than 80 percent but that DOESN’T make her a fake democrat in Arkansas?

      we need more women not less. the union interference was about political access for the political arm of the union, not the best interests of the members.

      • But, but, but….if we have women in office who are doing nothing to support the women in this country, are we obligated by your standards to keep them in office?

        Women supporting women isn’t a one-way street. And, quite honestly, I think we do a greater injustice to women when we allow the rotten apples to sit in the voting section of our government. Blanche has told everyone who she is; I believe her and want her to find herself a seat in the civilian section.

  2. I laugh at The White House’s Rahm-anonymous statement. Two days ago they were distancing themselves from Blanche, telling her she’s on her own. Today they’re exercising their right to be poor winners (which we’ve known all along that they are).

    Had the union candidate won, who would have been the money wasters?

    My interpretation of Rahm’s statement is that the White House would just as soon not have elections (but we knew that all along as well, didn’t we).

    And how about revealing which Rico you are. I hate “anonymous sources”.

    • I’m the same Rico I’ve always been.

    • And that Teresa is why I am no longer a “Democrat!”

    • You know, I know where you are coming from. But I really, really predict that the next corporate-candidate-on-the-sly is going to be a woman. She is going to run on another “hope”, “change”, “excitement” campaign, and then she is going to screw the population as much as the men have.

      Just you know, I was in the other thread defending Palin and Fiorina as strong women. Something I always do. But one has to draw the line at some point. Sometimes I see women subjected to double standards, or suddenly very strict standards compared to boys, and it really pi**es me off. Perhaps that’s your take on Blanche Lincoln. Her shortcomings may not be big for you, but may be for others. That’s fine either way it goes.

      • Like who, though? A female Obama would be dismissed as a bimbo who had no business running and was insulting the intelligence of the nation. Hell, Palin is the female Obama and that’s exactly what happened to her. No woman could win with this schtick, IMO. And if Obama had run against just guys, it probably wouldn’t have worked for him either. Most of Obama’s voters are motivated more by anti-Hillary than pro-Obama sentiments and his female counterpart doesn’t necessarily have the attributes that excite them.

        • I don’t deny the extent of sexism. However, Palin really had a maverick streak in her. Also media had already their crush on BO, and lots of other things.

          The sexism of 2007 and 2008, which is still ongoing, left me disgusted. But corporate interests will use anything to gain the upper hand. I just don’t want women to be blindsided because of gender and get an odious person in there. Competence is the key. And women are very competent. I just don’t want a female Obama.

          • Well, I’m not going to lie, if a female Obama actually arises my reaction will mostly be to laugh my head off. 🙂 I don’t want to be flippant, but we’re just screwed, and god knows where we go from here. female Obama, Scott Brown, Rand Paul….oy.

          • The activist left was warned — in Ohio, in Texas, and in Pennsylvania. The grassroots were bringing Hillary Clinton to the dance and she was our once-in-a-lifetime chance at a Pantsuit that belonged to we-the-people. The left passed on that. That is their doing. They made their choice. Now IF the first female president is just another suit… they can’t complain “no one could have predicted…” It was predicted and they were WARNED but they stupidly went on spouting the same old Arianna Huffington/Kos bedtime stories about how Hillary is a witchy woman who worked for Walmart.

          • Yeah, they were warned and whatever happens will be their doing. I firmly believe I’ll be dead 5000 years before we ever have a female Prez, but I totally agree, I don’t want to hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth. They created this situation and this backlash knowing damn good and well there was not going to be anyone for it to land on but unsavory characters. It was totally predictable, but they jumped in with both feet and two sledgehammers and smashed away with abandon and no thought of how to clean up the mess and put it all back together again.

  3. We need to get over this idea that electing more women will make a difference in Congress just because they are women. The Washington culture is so totally corrupt, so totally indifferent to the needs of ordinary people, that no matter if someone with as much money as Meg Whitman was actually the next Paul Wellstone, the congressional corporatists would effectively isolate that individual in order to ensure that person’s failure. As long as we have a two-party system that can prevent meaningful change through worthwhile bills and amendments ever making it to the floor of the House or Senate, women *or* men who try to run and serve as reformers within “the party” will never be allowed to succeed. They would pose too much of a threat to the egos and pocketbooks of those already in power.

    Here’s a James Carville quote from Wikipedia:

    “But one of Clinton’s problems was, the interest groups don’t care about the working poor. The Republicans don’t care about the working poor — they don’t know any. The Op-Ed writers don’t care about the working poor. The editorial writers don’t care about the working poor. The talking heads don’t care about the working poor.”

    I think Carville’s correct, and this is what we, the people, are up against.

    • The working poor aren’t sniffing bedrooms as much as last election cycle. And there are a lot more working poor with degrees.

      • Well, yes, the bedroom sniffing crowd seems to be mostly the traditional media these days. When you have an advanced degree and are cutting lawns for a living, it does tend to alter your perspective of government and politics just a bit…. Unfortunately, many intellectually intelligent voters in dire circumstances don’t seem to understand that voting for the same corporate hacks again and again is not going to result in positive change. It’s just clapping harder for Tinkerbell.

        • When you have an advanced degree and are cutting lawns for a living, it does tend to alter your perspective of government and politics just a bit

          On that vein…..

          I remarked to my brother-in-law yesterday that I had just witnessed one of the signs of the Apocalypse!

          “Caucasian’s doing some landscaping work!”


          • Sorry about the block quote.

          • On the subject of “caucasians doing some landscaping work,” my son just started his own landscaping business this year. Initially, he advertised on Craig’s List and, so far, has had nothing but good things happening. Believe me, this is no Apocalypse for him. He started a degree from the New York Botanical Garden which has given him a background on computer-use in design, etc. etc. Some of the installations that these designers do (the top ones) are in the hundred of thousands of dollars. And most important, he gets to work outside. He hates the four-walls-and-window life-style.

    • yeah well except you are wrong. Statistics show that in fact voting women in IS a good thing if you want to go left.
      And perhaps it is just effing time women had equal representation, even those evil republican women.

      • here you go:

        I had never heard of this statistic before reading this book (told you I was asleep), but apparently, it is a well-recognized fact that no significant progress is ever made on womens’ issues in any country unless the federal government is made up of at least 30% women. Our federal government is currently made up of 17% women, which explains why we have had such a difficult time moving forward. Womens’ voices are simply too few to be heard, despite their frequent screaming. A case in point: That HHS proposal mentioned above is being hotly and loudly contested by only two women: Hillary Clinton and Patty Murray. 28 of their Senatorial colleagues have signed onto their petition (note that supposedly fervent feminist Joe Biden is NOT on that list, although Barack Obama has signed it), but that is the extent of their advocacy. Why isn’t the Democratic Party screaming and yelling about this terrible blow against womens’ rights, as this blog suggests?

        If 30% of the Senate and House were women, you can bet your increasingly-less-valuable paycheck that both parties would be feeling a lot more responsible to that constituency. But as it is now, the Democrats have gotten fat and lazy, assuming that we will hand them our votes no matter what they do, resting on their decades-old laurels and doing little or nothing to stop this horrendous attack on our reproductive freedoms.

        As I was reading this book, I noted the number of times the Congresswoman would be stymied by Republican resistance and Democratic indifference when trying to get important legislation into Committee. (The book was written before Democrats took over Congress.) Yet I also noted something interesting: When Ms. Maloney desperately needed bi-partisan support, it was nearly always a Republican woman who would give it to her – and not necessarily a “moderate” like Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins, either. Was it possible that the 30% Solution could actually be party-blind?


        • Statistics show that standing on 18, 19 and 20 is the smart way to play blackjkack. But I have lost lots of money while doing that.

          Statistics also say condoms are 99% effective.

      • Really? Give me a list of the names of women in Congress who pushed for universal health care, please. Or how about a list of those female Representatives who stood up to Nancy Pelosi on the Stupak amendment?

        So sorry, but the two-party system is totally corrupt right now, and I have yet to see the women in Congress banding together to end the corruption.

        • Yeah, pretty much.

          As a matter of fact, I feel pretty sold out based on what occured during health care debacle by the ladies of Congress.

  4. Don’t know much about Halter vs Lincoln, but my current problem with “unions” are exactly this enormous amount of money being funneled toward campaigns. Have you ever checked their pension solvency? I very much understand and appreciate the union’s place in history and still today with many industries. However, I also work in the midst of one of the largest and most political – SEIU. I really believe the employer could do them much better than the union in this case. However, all those lovely union dues just keep getting collected so we can have these people stacking the deck at the caucuses? Helping out at Town Halls? I would really love for unions to spend more of their time taking care of their own people. Oh, I forgot all about that proposed bailout bill for….UNIONS. I could go on, and on but I’m done. The opinions expressed here not necessarily representative of the management.

    • You have no idea how valuable a union is until you aren’t covered by one and your employer wants to cut your job.

      • unfortunately the job cut is generally a negotiated outcome with the union secretly giving the nod….benefiting some other cause that does not include you…

  5. I’m a Union family and I have seen them simply give back for over twenty years , trying to meet capital half way. And over those twenty plus years, when the Union people did give back they are promised it will be” remembered” . Right. Kind of how treaties with Native American were “remembered” . Not. Even so, I can’t imagine what state we would be without even a rolling back union… Because capital doesn’t want roll backs any more. They want every scrap. That Carville quote is spot on. They do not care…they don’t even see the working poor. And then the working poor can’t be avoided, they demonized them…( take that Sarah Palin!) The real trouble will start when the working poor can’t get a ill paying job and we are coming to that .

    • Did you check out that video clip? Cylons don’t get sick, they don’t retire and they never complain, even when you tell them to rip their arm off. If they could, they would ask “right or left”.
      The perfect employee. I think you can find them in Bangladesh or Tierra del Fuego these days.

      • Indeed. Retirement is not even a hundred year long anomaly, soon to be retired itself .

        • Heh, yeah even now I heard a bunch of people complaining about the fact that GM employees coukd retire at 20 years.

          My rejoinder was to ask if they were opposed to federal workers like soldiers retiring after 20 years?

          Instead of being resentful they ought to be asking themselves why they are looking at spending their lives in servitude rather than working hard during their peak years and being allowed to enjoy some time doing what they enjoy and are passionate about whether that be gardening, activism, travel, etc,etc.

      • Of course a little later in the story line, they get their revenge. No matter how perfect the employee appears, eventually they wake up and rebel.

    • I have not faith that once elected Halter would have been stronger on unions than Lincoln. What you say in a primary and what you do are two different things when reality hits rhetoric. Very few politicians say what they mean whether you like it or not. Hillary is one of the few I have seen do it in the last few years.

      • I have no faith in ANY politician with a letter after its name any longer. They all make a great argument for term limits.

  6. Well, Rico – I have been RIFFED. I also know that during a strike, the employees have to cover the union jobs (cause it’s a hospital). My manager had to do the house keeping for 1 patient floor. It was a job with a time allotment of 6-1/2 hours…that my manager completed in 2-1/2.
    Again, you should look at the things your union does and doesn’t do for you. Is your pension plan solvent? My son is in a union. He had the choice of a union versus non-union job. We advised him to take the union job – for the job security. Not so they could completely hijack the election, formulate health care policy, and provide the muscle when needed. Some of the tactics they use to “unionize” are despicable. They have and do provide many valuable benefits. But the amount of money that goes towards politics is appalling. I understand they have to put their voice out there, but not to the extremes they do. But then again, I find the amount spent on campaigns appalling. We could solve everyone’s collective and individual problems with the money Obama spent. I’m not an anti-union person; but I believe they could serve their members much better than they are.

    • That’s funny. You sure sound anti union. Or at least, anti union spending on politics. That would mean what, exactly? Unlimited corporate spending with absolutely no pushback?
      All righty, then. Just so we’re clear.

    • We could solve everyone’s collective and individual problems with the money Obama spent

      Of course. But that the last thing the upper crust wants…where’s the stealing opportunity in that? Where’s the graft and kick backs? The new contracts given because the work wasn’t done under the old contacts? There no money in solving problems, no money in maintaining things in a sensible manner…so it’s a no go. If the money set were willing to do that, unions never would have happened. The need for unions is not in history books. It’s right here and now.We would be back to triangle shirtwaist factory lickity split ..and some places I’m sure it is already…particularly for illegals

      But the amount of money that goes towards politics is appalling.

      I agree with you…but it’s to survive. Look, a floating device in the middle of the ocean looks real good when there isn’t anything else.

    • Good for your manager. She or he should see how long s/he can keep up that pace, as that’s the kind of work that becomes more and more difficult day after day as the pains and strains from the previous days kick in.

    • I wonder how well your manager actually did that job. It’s basically a full time position because you are supposed to CONTINUALLY be cleaning and stocking things like restrooms or rooms where patients have been discharged by thoroughly wiping down surfaces, removing linen, replacing linen, and making sure waste is removed. Chances are how your manager did the job in 2.5 hours may mean some poor unsuspecting patient will get a hospital borne infection.

      • MERSA here we come. There is no doubt that less people are doing more work and the public is suffering the consequences.
        If SEIU and others had supported Hillary rather than Obama, they would have gotten much better health care and they must know this, so them going after Blanch Lincoln in Arkansas while kissing the A$$ of Obama is just kind of funny.

    • i agree. having been involved in union politcs…you are exactly right.. its all politcs…funded by the members… i used to be a believer …those really were the days of hope and change. not

  7. Even with all their problems, and there are plenty, it’s a fallacy to think one would be better off without a union. Believe me the upper crust would not be working so hard to rid the landscape of unions if it was to help the average working person…I mean, come on. Watch what they do, don’t listen to what they say. They will tell you, you are a loner with a vison! , you go your own way! You are the captain of your own ship! That you know better ! But all they want is to get you ALONE.
    Then we’ll see who’s the captin of the feaking ship.

  8. I’m confused. Why would we want to support any candidate that Rahm or the current administration supports? It’s obvious that they support the candidates who can best further along the corporate agenda. The union members may be real people, but their executive representatives are being bought off by the corporatists along with anyone else with a modicum of power. So why would I support the “executive labor union representatives” anymore than I would support any other corporatist group? I support the people and there is nobody in any position of power who has been able to, even if they want to, break the choke hold the corporations have on this country and the world. They are destroying our world and we are going down with them. It’s infuriating and cause for despair. That said, I will continue to do whatever I can to fight the status quo and if that means voting more women, minorities, gays etc into office until we have a critical mass that may actually be able to change the paradigm we are currently operating within, then that’s what I am going to do.
    Oh, and of course, I will keep adapting to the current environment in which we live so I can survive and pass down survival skills to future generations, because they sure are going to need them to outsmart the “cylon” future the corporatists have in mind for us.

  9. You know I had a hoot the other day when the awful jobs numbers came out and this pundit on one of the finance channels said it was because of the minimum wage was so high LOLOLOLOLOL

    I want a world where the pundits work for less than the current minimum wage and the people who empty bed pans gets the pundits wages…

    That’s fair isn’t it??

    They will have you roll back and roll back until you are in a grass hut with a dirt floor…..and they will come for the hut…so why not fight them when it’s over health care… and not wait til it’s over a grass hut

    • If we would only just die that would go a long way to absolving them from donating to charity.
      Er, except I know a coulee rich people who are very generous to charities through their foundations, so there are exceptions.
      Then again, better raises would be, um, better than having to depend on a handout in case you’re fired.

      • Exactly, that at their discretion stuff is not to be relied upon…particularly as the money ‘s set younger crowd seem not to get it at all about charities. ( besides the fancy cocktail parties of course, but even they are drying up) A small example: My husband was just pointing out the big corporate funded art exhibits, the live blood of art museums for 30 plus years, are over… Generally as far as the money set goes, the foreplay is over .

  10. Awesome article and analysis of the Blanche Lincoln campaign, her support from corporate Washington, and what this says about the place of unions in the Dem. party from Gabriel Winant at Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/06/09/lincoln_halter_labor_democrats/index.html). Here’s a sample:

    Imagine if the president and Bill Clinton had instead thrown in with Halter. I know it’s unthinkable for establishment Democrats to do this kind of thing, but just play along: What if they had said that it’s important for Democrats to understand that there are consequences for a senator who repeatedly betrays her party and the progressive agenda? It’s hard to imagine Lincoln could have pulled it out with Clinton campaigning against her.

    In other words, elite Democrats had a real choice, and they decided to stand with the Chamber of Commerce and treat the unions like the misbehaving hired help. They ran the same campaign that conservative Southern Democrats have been running for the better part of a century to keep labor out of the South, and it worked.

    But this is the campaign that has been undercutting progressives in general for decades. As long as labor is weak in the South, it’s weak everywhere. Runaway plants move from union-friendly states to right-to-work ones like Arkansas, killing the unions where they’re strong and driving down wages. Without strong unions, working-class voters are much less likely to vote for progressives, or even Democrats at all. And why should they? With wages stagnant and inequality constantly growing, how much has mainstream center-center-left liberalism shown that it still has to offer?

    The direction we’re headed in, judging by that White House official, is for Democrats to show the door to working-class voters. For years, Democratic leaders have desperately wanted theirs to be the party of upper-middle-class suburban professionals. And if Blanche Lincoln loses in November to her Republican challenger, as she probably will, all we’ll be able to say is that Democrats got their wish: They wrote off working people, and working people wrote them off too.

    Yup, Gabriel, the Dems desperately want to be rid of that part of the base that used to consist of working class voters. We, here, figured that out in the last Presidential campaign.

    • Oh, man, they are so clueless. They are shortly going to lose the suburban vote. I would be more than happy to explain how this is going to happen to anyone in the party who hasn’t been paying attention. Do you hear me, bob menendez and bill clinton? Call me and I’ll tell you what’s happening in the burbs while the Dems have been shafting the rust belt.

      • I’m seeing what you’re seeing here in the VA burbs. They’re toast and don’t even know it.

        • So, it’s not just jersey.

          • Nope. And what I’m hearing from coworkers in other states, it’s a lot of places.

          • I’d really like to hear their stories. We need to hear more about people who are moving down the economic ladder or are in fear of it. You know, what it’s like to postpone having more kids or buying a née house or worry about whether you can afford to replace your broken AC (or NOT replace your broken AC. What will happen if you can sell your house in a hurry?). Where do we go when all of the degrees we have can’t get us a job making more than minimum wage? How long can we live with our mothers before we want to kill each other.? Do we regret stuffing so much of our money into a 401k?
            You know, stuff like that.

          • All the arguments for the Democrats are gone in the quasi conservative states. If they aren’t going to improve Joe Americans life then there is absolutely no reason to vote for them over the “God and guns” party.

          • I’ll see if I can collect some. Good idea.

          • Includes some that have walked away from their mortgages, one in the middle of building the dream home is having to talk away. Let’s just say there is some anger there. Others are just hanging on for dear life. Even the ones that are doing fine economically are scared.

          • Yep, I fall into the latter categories. The bff is unemployed come august. The ex was laid off and is now a contractor with no bennies. I’m the only working adult (for an indefinite period) with health insurance. Without my job, brooke would have nothing. At my current income level, I don’t qualify for schip. In fact, there is no safety net where I am. And layoffs are definitely coming.
            We are all biting our nails and trying not to panic.

    • yeah but these people keep thinking that Halter saying he was more pro-union made it so and that he could do anything about it given a white house that is corporately owned and believes in, of all things, trickle down economics and allowing industry to police itself.
      They seem very bitter saying Lincoln will lose.. well then so would Halter.
      I have no problem with BC helping Lincoln. For one she is probably and old friend. She was also loyal to Hillary AND she is experienced and can get more done. Halter is not really more liberal and less corporate. that’s probably campaign rhetoric just like with Obama and SEIU bought in for access just as they did with Obama and not because it was in the best interest of American workers.

      • I wasn’t really invested in Blanche Lincoln or Bill Halter. While I am happy a woman maintained her seat, many of the stands Blanche Lincoln takes are the opposite of what I believe is in the best interests of average Americans.

        It is my hope that rather than hold a grudge against the unions, Blanche does what she needs to do and ask them what she needs to do to win their support. The unions are exactly right to remind the party that they don’t exist to serve the Democratic party and they will continue to challenge the leadership in Congress that stands in the way of the interests of the people they serve.

  11. Riverdaughter:
    I come to this site every day. This is one of the more thought provoking sites that I read. I don’t always agree with the author, but who does? I have only commented here a handful of times…usually just don’t have time and honestly, some of the economic topics still baffle me. But when I have, I think I can count 1 occasion where I felt whatever I had to say was accepted. The rest of the times, not so much. Your reply was a bit snarky, and that’s fine. Your site, you can set the tone however you like. Without writing a dissertation, I made my points that I wanted to make. Whether you believe it or not, I am not anti-union. I witnessed my parents, working low paying factory jobs their entire lives, without representation so I have a pretty good idea of what that is like. My father tried to get a union at one factory – he was severely beaten and hospitalized. Whatever…if it makes you feel better to have that tone, fine. I just think sometimes you jump to conclusions, and maybe I just don’t do my thoughts justice in the comments section.


    • Dm, I am only taking your remarks to their logical conclusions. If you want unions to stop being political, what entity would you prefer to stand up for working americans? I don’t have to be a fan of every union or their actions to realize what a vital part they play in politics.
      I come from a gray collar family and my grandparents and many of my uncles were union people. I do not idealize the unions but I know that without them, working people would have nothing.
      As founder of this blog, I reserve the right to call it as I see it. I don’t want anyone to leave but this is my style and I’ve been this way since 2008. Don’t take it personally but I’m not one of the nicer front pagers. Roll with it.

      • RD, I too come from union family and am union myself. Always have been, but there is a point where some union leaders, some of whom have never worked in the area their union represents (they are professional organizers who did not come up the ranks) care more about political power and access than they do what is good for their workers. How else can you explain their support of Obama over Clinton? It sometimes comes to their own ambition being the foremost concern in their actions.
        Are they not now going to support Lincoln? Of course they will and she will continue to vote with them about 70 percent of the time as is probably true of Halter.

        • Teresa, Clinton had plenty of union support in 2008. She just got bludgeoned by her own party. I don’t think the unions had as much say in the primary results as the bankers did. After the nomination, they all gravitated to Obama. But right to the end Clinton had unions. Maybe not all of them but certainly more than enough.

        • Not all unions supported Obama over Clinton.

          For example, the UTU(my husband’s union) supported Clinton and was one of the first to come out with their endorsement.

  12. Wouldn’t it be interesting if the campaign slogans that all the women adopt collectively is ‘ …If you vote against the woman candidate, you must be a sexist…’ Forget common sense and reason. Forget policy differences, lying or truth telling. Or maybe this election cycle, we might actually get debates on the issues. The latter would serve the people WAY better than the former…..

    • I am not sure what your point is. Are you saying men do not vote against women for sexist reasons?
      Of course that is not the only reason they vote against women, but did it every occur to you that unions might prefer a weak inexperienced young man to a strong experienced hard to push around woman just because women are not as easy to corrupt with offers of becoming part of the popular boys frat?

      • Generally speaking, unions have never been members of any boys frat in DC

      • I think the rock is cautioning people not to vote for anyone based on anything but their record. That being said, if I had two equally good candidates and one was a woman, I’d vote for her every fricking time.
        But principles should come first.

      • I was being snark. The narrative from the past election was that if you oppose Obama, you are racist. It would have been funny to see a ‘payback is a bitch moment’ where the narrative if you vote against or oppose a female candidate was seen as sexist.

  13. I don’t think the results in Arkansas had anything to do with policy issues.

    The citizens of Arkansas were pissed that all of those people from the edges of the country thought they could just waltz into their state and TELL THEM WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM. They felt like they were being treated as if they are just STUPID.

    They remember well that they sent their best son to the W.H. only to be constantly reminded that he was just a HICK and not worthy of the office.

    If I lived in Arkansas I would have been pissed as well.

  14. This BSG/Caprica fan loves it!
    Rolling Stone has a very good expose on the oil-kill goings on – I excerpted some of it to convince you to read

    • Did Caprica get renewed?

      I had heard that it was one of those shows on the edge. My oldest loves it and will be disappointed if it was cancelled. I really enjoyed it too and In wasn’t into BSG.

    • Wow. Just, wow.

      It’s very damning.

  15. Rico, Rico, Rico. You’ve never been a bartender before I bet. We bartenders live for Mondays – Thursday when all the other folks (there’s that word) are runnin around like the good little worker bees they are. We run errands, hit the beach, movies, restaurants and other stuff you stand in lines to get in on the weekends. We’re spending the money we made off you while you tried to get in a few hours of partying and pleasure while running your errands, doing your laundry, etc.
    Everybody doesn’t want the weekends off. We just want good wages and UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE. But I get your point.

    • Actually, Rico is/was a bartender and perfected his shot pour by reciting “endoplasmic reticulum”. He still enjoys the weekends.

  16. Sorry if this is a repost, I haven’t had time to read the threads yet today:

    Ellsberg is another “there’s no place else to go” justifier:

    ‘Obama Deceives the Public’

    Daniel Ellsberg, legendary leaker of the “Pentagon Papers” in 1971, still has a bone to pick with the White House. In an interview with SPIEGEL ONLINE, the 79-year-old peace activist accuses President Obama of betraying his election promises — in Iraq, in Afghanistan and on civil liberties.

    Daniel Ellsberg: I voted for him and I will probably vote for him again, as opposed to the Republicans. But I believe his administration in some key aspects is nothing other than the third term of the Bush administration.

    Ellsberg: He’s a good politician. He said what he needed to say to get elected, and now he’s just taking advantage of the office. Like any administration before, his administration caters to the profits of big corporations like BP and Goldman Sachs — even though I think BP won’t get off that easily this time. His early campaign contributions, the big corporate contributions, came from Wall Street. They got their money’s worth.

    SPIEGEL ONLINE: But Obama has been very verbal about his criticism of Wall Street.

    Ellsberg: His actions are totally uncoupled from his public statements. I don’t even listen anymore.


    • Daniel Ellsberg: I voted for him and I will probably vote for him again,

      Then way would anyone listen to you? What’s the point? ?People like Ellsberg WANT to believe Obama isn’t Bush 3.5 so bad , they are blind and talk in circles …Well guess what ? He is Bush 3.5

      even though I think BP won’t get off that easily this time

      Danny, do you even hear yourself?? You are like someone on the subway talking to themselves. Sad

    • I like this observation

      I don’t think what Obama is doing is the best way to get votes. But it’s the best way to get campaign contributions.

  17. My take on the AR primary: Rahm & gang are total idiots to think they “beat unions”. All they won is a primary – and a very close win at that – this was a run-off, remember?
    Bill helped put Blanche over, but that doesn’t mean that the other side is automatically riding the unity pony. Make this jackassed entitlement statements and you peel off those who might have put party above union. It’s a repeat of the tactics that created PUMA and sent many of the base running for the hills.

    • “Ha ha ha, we beat you!” won’t do Blanche Lincoln much good in November.

      • In 2008, a Green candidate–whose name I forget–ran against our other incumbent Democratic Senator in Arkansas, Mark Pryor. The Green lost, of course, but I voted for the Green.

        If the Greens run someone against Lincoln, Lincoln will need to prove some things to me if she wants my vote.

      • In fairness, though, that’s coming from the White House, not Lincoln. And it’s not like they’re not trying to torpedo her and all the other Democratic candidates to try and save their boss.

        • Yeah, but it wasn’t Obama that actually called us “paranoid shrieking hold-outs” either. It’s no coincidence that his campaign and administration were both filled with arrogant and snotty frat-boy types.

          • True–but then, political tone deafness and abject cluelessness somehow always seems to work out for the Golden One, it’s all the rest of us who end up smashed and bleeding under the bus. 🙂

  18. speaking of big dawg, he is heading down to nevada to campaign for harry reid …


  19. Obot Claire McCaskill gave DLC corporate tool a ‘woo-hoo’ upon her arrival back to the Senate.
    This fall, Blanche is going to be crushed by John Boozeman.
    I expect McCaskill will be out too. She like Obama campaigned on hope and change, once in office did the work of the corporate interests that funded her campaign.

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