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Saturday Night Fun – an open thread

I’ve been so busy all week – catching up here at The Confluence, updating Eat4Today and WALKING that I’ve hardly had any time for my usual 40 hours of frivolous reading.

Much less any significant amount of political reading. . .

But, I happened to pick up a copy of Jim Hightower’s Lowdown and it was pretty interesting:

How corporate money took over Washington–and created the mobs who rant against reform got me so wound up, I actually subscribed to the online version of the Lowdown.

This story is behind the subscription portion of the site but, I hope it’s OK if I post a little of it here:

It’s none of my business, but maybe you have Northern tissue on your toilet roll. You might also buy Brawny paper towels, Dixie paper cups, and Vanity Fair napkins. Maybe you have clothing that owes its clingy and comfy stretchiness to Lycra, and perhaps you have a Stainmaster carpet or a Solarmax couch in your home.

All of these well-known brands are owned and produced by a global conglomerate that deliberately tries to stay little known: Koch Industries (pronounced “coke”). Based in Wichita, Kansas, Koch is also a major producer of oil, gas, timber, coal, and cattle. It’s a petroleum refiner, too, as well as a manufacturer of asphalt, chemicals, polyethylene plastic, nitrogen fertilizers, cement, and lumber products. It owns or controls some 4,000 miles of pipelines, including a piece of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline. And, in a poetic bow to its desire for anonymity, Koch also owns Teflon.

With 70,000 employees in 60 countries, this publicity-shy giant is America’s second-largest privately owned corporation. Being private means it makes very few disclosures about its finances and operating practices, but we do know that it has sales topping $100 billion a year, which means it is bigger than such corporate giants as Verizon and Morgan Stanley.

The billionaire brothers

Charles and David Koch, who control this family-owned empire, are tied for a spot as the 19th-richest billionaire in the world, according to a 2009 ranking by Forbes. Each brother has a net worth of $14 billion, just below the wealth held by four heirs to the Wal-Mart fortune. Charles, 73, and David, 68, boast of being “self-made” billionaires. Actually, that’s a fib, for they had a little help from Daddy. Fred Koch, who died in 1967, started his name-sake business after inventing a method of turning heavy oil into gasoline, and his sons got a leg up on their climb to billionairedom by inheriting Fred’s company.

They also inherited something else: a burning ideological commitment to right-wing politics. How right wing? In 1958, Daddy Fred helped found the John Birch Society.

From there, Hightower goes on to itemize all the ways the brothers not only followed in their fathers footsteps but, expanded on his idea in frightening ways.

For some three decades, there’s been a steadily increasing flow of think-tank studies, legislative proposals, articles, books, corporate lawsuits, citizen petitions, and other efforts to push for the deregulation of most industries and the privatization or elimination of government functions. These extremist ideas have never had strong public support, yet they’ve moved from the back burner of American policy in the 1970s to the red-hot front burner in the Bush years–and today we’re paying the price for the adoption of these concepts at all levels of government, from privatization of local water supplies to the deregulation of Wall Street.

My question to Confluencians everywhere is — How can we fight these people?  What can we regular people do to push back against people with all the money in the world?

And while we discuss it – The Bar is Open!  Rico!  The drinks — iced tea tonight for me — are on me!

148 Responses

  1. My dad keeps asking me for ideas and I don’t know what to tell him.

  2. Or maybe I’ll have a rootbeer float?

  3. Hi KB. After the week I had do you think Rico has any grain alcohol stashed behind the bar? Instant coma is what I’m shooting for.

  4. BTW, I bought a great new book by the guy that did Food, Inc. Michael Pollan. “Food Rules.” It is a really easy read and lays out some great “rules” for eating in todays fast-food, highly processed, consumerism society. It’s based on his premise that you should “Eat Food….Not too much…mostly plants.”

    • I worry about eating anything that hasn’t been cooked. I’m serious. I worry about dirty hands making salads….

      • two of his “rules” are really good and thought provoking. Don’t eat anything your grandmother wouldn’t recognize as “food” and don’t eat anything that has ingredients you wouldn’t keep in your own pantry.

        • I’m probably not the best person for this conversation. Part of my Eat4Today thing is to not eat out any more than necessary — it just doesn’t seem to agree with my tummy

          But, there are exceptions. I’m going out to breakfast with a friend on Monday ….

          I guess that fits into your rule about only eating what’s in my pantry. Breakfast food is pretty normal.

          • No, his “rules” have more to do with avoiding overprocessed food laced with all kinds of mysterious additives. Ergo, don’t eat anything that includes ingredients you wouldn’t keep in your pantry.

        • goodness, my grandmother was a southern cook … i’d live on fried chicken, mac n cheese, cole slaw, and pecan pie if that was the rule

        • shop the outside walls of the store. Go around the outside walls of the box and buy real food. If you do this you are getting veggies, diary and meat. Avoid the inside isles where the processed food lives in pretty boxes.

    • And — I should have said this before :: I’m VERY glad you made it home safe and sound!

  5. All the regulators who used to work at government agencies are now in the private sector helping companies cut corners. A strong Justice Department might help some, but Holder doesn’t seem to be scaring anyone.

  6. Tom Jefferson outlawed primogeniture in Virginia because he believed concentrations of wealth were inherently antidemocratic.

  7. How can we fight these people? What can we regular people do to push back against people with all the money in the world?

    For starters…
    –Critical thinking skills

    • Good list…
      I would add
      –not voting for someone you’d like to have a glass of wine with

    • Can we build a “movement” based on these principals? Is a commitment to this powerful enough to counter the forces that are pressing against us?

      • Yes. We can take a “pledge” on those principles — or others. But Jayzus! these people need to stop and critically evaluate before they vote. Voting while simultaneously believing you’re caught up in the rapture is a recipe for disaster.

        Case in point…

    • We need better candidates, somehow. The reason Hillary and Obama was so stark is because it’s unusual to have any good candidates. Usually it’s more like 4 Edwardses and 3 Obamas.

      • no one can get through if they don’t have huge bux from corporate sponsors

        • Yea, but it is *possible*

        • fi we can get a few states, who have ballot initiative rights, to pass initiatives that require federal candidates as well as state candidates to use public financing ONLY in their state the problem would be solved.
          If a candidate in a federal election for President chooses public financing because they have to, to get electoral votes in, say, CA (which electors no candidate can take a pass on) then they have to do it in all states. Any legislator who tried to pass a bill making it a state by state option could be pretty easily defeated IF we make the movement something the American people understand and agree on.

  8. It’s so frustrating that the Lowdown is behind a subscription wall. I’d really like to discuss the details of his story but, it’s impossible.

    • you marxist you!

    • I get his newsletter for free. Not sure how, but it’s been arriving in my mailbox for years.

      • I just checked the site. It’s only the RECENT stories that are behind the wall. We can talk about this (I’m sure it’ll still be timely) once they move it to the archives….

    • Kind of along those lines, I just downloaded the free Kindle for iPhone ap on my friend’s phone, and wow. I can’t believe the books they’re giving away for free. I am so tempted to stop being a Luddite.

      • Everything is free if you can run faster than the security guards.

      • I have the Kindle-for-PC and I’ve been downloading some of the free books — lot’s of PG Wodehouse and Jane Austen.

        I’m not sure about getting the Kindle though — it worries me that it has a propriatary file format.

        • Me too! I love PG Wodehouse!

          Um, I’m sure I’d think a proprietary file format was bad if I knew what it was. 🙂 I can’t afford a Kindle, but the iPhone version works great, it’s nothing at all like trying to read a long document.

          • It means you can only read Amazon stuff on the Kindle — nothing from the library or Barnes & Noble or Google Books….

          • Ohhh! *blushes the blush of the Luddite* Yeah, it certainly seems Monopolistic to sell a reader that can only be used with your inventory, as a bookseller. Also, I doubt they’re going to keep giving away free access to the 3 G network forever. There are some reports they’re going to start giving them away to compete with the ipad, though.

          • Well, I’m not stubborn — I’ll take one (happily) if it’s free!!

            One thing I might do is get one of those tiny notebooks for reading. I’m not sure I’ll be able to keep balancing the laptop on my tummy in the summer…

            (and I’m sorry for using the phrase, “proprietary format” — it’s just that I’ve been reading reviews of all the competing products and that’s what they always say about the Kindle….)

          • That’s the downside to kindle for iPhone, too. You can read comfortably for hours on end holding it in your hand on the bus or at a desk, but it’s hard to curl up with, and you end up propping it against your leg or your stomach, wishing you had a paperback. But, I have a short attention span and I like being able to switch to different books without having to go hunting through piles of stuff to find my copy.

            Oh, gosh, don’t apologize, I’m happy that I know what that means now–thanks!

          • @katiebird – eeepc netbooks are awesome.

            I got an 8.5 in one that runs Linux for $150 at Toys R Us last year, it’s probably cheaper by now.

            I also have a 10 in one with windows XP for $250, also at Toys R Us.

            I love them so much! The 10 in one has 7 hours battery life, and the 8.5 in one I can fit in my purse (about 3 hours battery life.) They’re super sturdy too! My 15 lb cat jumped down from a book case onto the 10 in one (about 7ft). The case didn’t even creak. I’ve also gotten wireless from down the block, the antenna is so sensitive.

            /product plug over

          • Kookaburra, I’ll look that up in the morning …. I’m fading away ….. f a d i

          • Amazon is a company that I just can’t do business with. I’m surprised they can still find locals willing to take a job there.

        • There are other places than Amazon where you can download free books onto the Kindle.

          I don’t think B&N will ever be able to offer as many books as Amazon does. What other reader allows access to library books or books in multiple formats? So far, the choices on Amazon seem just about endless to me. I have to restrain myself, because there are so many books available that I want to read.

          • I have my Kindle in a leather case that I can stand up when I’m reading at a desk or table. For reading in bed, it’s very light to hold, and I use a booklight if needed. I never thought I’d enjoy using an e-reader, but I really love it.

          • What other places, BostonBoomer? I’m trying to learn as much about it as I can.

            Adobe makes a reader for PCs & that’s what I use for ebooks from the library.

            I’m not against getting a Kindle — I’ve been buying books from Amazon for years. Right now I’m just “practicing” — making sure I like reading books electronically!

          • I was looking around for awhile and I signed up at some site that had a lot of free books for Kindle, but then I saw how many there were at Amazon so I never tried it. I’ll try to find the link and send it to you, but I’m too pooped to do it tonight.

          • Yeah, a friend was thinking of buying a Nook, and I suggested they look at the kindle too and see who offers more titles, because you definitely want the most variety. And I also like that you can get free samples.

            The thing with the iPhone kindle is that with the small screen, you kind of have to hold it up because if it’s too far away you can’t read it too easily. But, you have to do that anyway to surf the web so you get used to it and the kindle print is actually bigger, which is great. I didn’t think I would like it, but it’s great.

          • That’s another good thing with the Kindle–I can make the print pretty big. For some reason I feel like read faster with it too. Having less print on the page seems to help me keep from getting distracted.

          • BB, don’t look for that site for me. I’m unlikely to get the books from anywhere besides Amazon & the Library. And I think Kindle is going to have to figure out how to work with Libraries eventually.

          • It would be fantastic if you could “borrow” books for Kindle from libraries!

  9. As I was reading the column on Sarah Palin, a thought came to me. With the Obama campaign having made the 2008 campaign be against Sarah Palin, and continuing to do everything in their power to dis Palin –what are the chances that as people continue to turn away from Obama, that they will forget all about McCain running and will instead tell themselves that they should have voted for Palin, and want to vote for her if they get the chance in 2012?

    (And that has got to be the most convoluted sentence I have every written.)

    • I don’t know

      • The point I was trying to raise (and I realize that my sentence meandered), was that the Obama people have so centered their opposition on Palin (both during and after the campaign), that I wonder if people may come to believe that SHE was the nominee and not McCain. (In the same way that they confused McCain’s and Obama’s positions during the campaign.)

        • It’s almost certain that some people will do that. Remember all the people who voted for Obama because they couldn’t vore for Palin? That was more or less insanity.

        • Based on Obama’s recent remark that he greatly admires FedEx CEO Fred Smith, a right wing anti-union supporter of John McCain, you have to wonder if Obama voted for himself or McCain/Palin.

          • He intended to vote for McCain and accidentally pulled the wrong lever.

          • LOL! Don’t you think it’s more likely that he couldn’t make up his mind–so he just voted “present”?

          • Lol The votes are–6 million for Obama, 3 million for McCain, 1 present. Everybody tries really hard to avoid looking the the future Leader of the Free World…

          • I am sure Obama voted for Obama because unlike his bots, he knew he was a closet oligarch.

  10. From MoDo’s latest telenovela script..

    CHENEY: Scott’s an All-American winner — Sarah Palin with better legs and less sarcasm. And the hair extensions make her seem even more phony.

    OBAMA: Consensus, at last.

    • O fasheezey! is Modo doing one-act plays now too?

    • She should team up with Barbara Ehrenrich for these productions. Up first: Short, Butch, Extentions Phony: The Importance of Proper Hair Care.

      I’m also real sure MoDo would have been enthralled with Palin if she’d only hit on, “I’m Sarah Palin, I’m from Wasilla, and I drive a truck!” and “Don’t lawyer up.” Oh, Sarah. How tragic. What could have been, if only you’d had better legs.

      • Well since we’re talking about bad play scripts:
        Act IV

        Just after the election, a story breaks in a national tabloid about John Edwards having a love child with a photographer he hired to take pictures during the campaign. Edwards denies the allegations and sings “Billie Jean” (Michael Jackson)

        Now that everyone knows who the next president will be, speculation abounds about who will be in his Cabinet. Many believe that some of the senators and former senators that backed Obama expect to get Cabinet positions. They say John Kerry wants to be Secretary of State. But there are rumors that Obama will ask Hillary to take that position. Some PUMAs think she should accept if asked. Others think she should refuse but at the very least she should first make him “Beg Me” (Chuck Jackson). When Obama announces his Cabinet picks Kerry, Daschle, and Richardson have all been passed over. Kerry sings “Just Out Of Reach” (Brook Benton), Daschle sings “Hard Knock Life” (Annie) and Richardson sings “I Was Born Blue” (Swamp Dog). They all exit the stage singing “In The Rain” (The Dramatics).
        Hillary’s supporters are openly gleeful that Hillary’s traitors are getting their comeuppance, they sing “The Harder They Come” (Jimmy Cliff).

        Inauguration day 2009. Millions flock to the capital for the swearing in of the 44th president of the United States. Obama supporters are overjoyed. They can’t find the words to express their elation, so they sing “Pata Pata” (Miriam Makeba). Thousands of Black people travel from all over the country to witness this historic event. They, similarly, are at a loss for words. They sing “Soul Makosa” (Manu Dibango). In lieu of making an inauguration speech, Obama sings “I Believe I Can Fly” (R. Kelly/Space Jam).

        The Dems have a supermajority in Congress and now they also have a Democrat in the White House. Obama takes office with a 62% approval rating. “Rhapsody in Blue” (George Gershwin/Deodato’s version) can be heard blaring from loud speakers throughout the streets of the capital. Nancy Pelosi is now the highest ranking female politician. “Dance of The Sugar Plum Fairy” (The Nutcracker) plays on a continuous loop in her office. The Republican Party is pronounced dead for a generation. But conservatives vow to put up a fight. On the air ways conservative talk show hosts are talking about the “conservative underground and “conservatism in exile”. They adopt “Beethoven’s 5th Symphony” as their theme.

        However, Obama’s first year in office turns out to be no walk in the park. Health care reform, his first major initiative, has become a debacle. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are taking most of the fire; little of the blame is being put on Obama. Reid and Pelosi go to Obama and tell him they need leadership from him. Obama appears unperturbed. Reid, Pelosi and Obama sing “Baby, I’m Scared Of You” (Womack & Womack)

        While this is going on John Edwards is forced to admit that the stories about him and the photographer are true. John Edwards sings “Me and Mrs. Jones” (Billy Paul)

        Things get worse as the summer approaches. The public is against the bill which leads to opposition from both Democrats and Republicans in Congress. There are accusations that Congress people are being bribed with sweetheart deals for their home districts in exchange for their supports; as well as give-aways to Big Pharma and the health insurance companies. Obama tries to explain his position with “A Spoonful Of Sugar” (Mary Poppins/Julie Andrews)

        By fall, Obama’s poll numbers are in free fall. He is now very alarmed. People are saying he’s doing everything wrong. Obama calls in Axelrod and Plouffe, the people that got him elected, and sings “Don’t Let Me Get Me” {Pink)

        Winter 2009. Obama’s supporters are bitterly disappointed with his performance to date. Many feel he’s responsible for Republican wins in 3 states. There is open talk that he may be a one-term president. There are also whispers that perhaps Hillary will challenge him in 2012. The question is put directly to her and she replies that she’s not interested. Hillary sings “Girls Just Want To Have Fun” (Cyndi Lauper)

        The End
        Curtain

        • No, see, that was an EXCELLENT play script. *cheers* I’d even agree to vote for Edwards if he showed up and sang “Billie Jean.”

          • Seriously, thank you, thank you. Dak, it does feel likes curtains for us wee folk; but never despair: “Don’t Worry, Be Happy” (Bobby McPherin)

        • it’s a musical!!! some how i keep feeling like that curtain is dropping on all of us little people

        • Wonderful! But in a sequel, if Hillary changes her mind and runs, we’ll all be singing “Happy Days are here Again!”

          djmm

  11. Here is some information on Kock Industries at Open Secrets. Who knows how much the execs themselves gave outside of the PAC.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00236489

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expend.php?cmte=C00236489&cycle=2010

    And the 2010 election cycle is just ramping up.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00236489&cycle=2010

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgave2.php?cmte=C00236489&cycle=2010

  12. Cenk Uygur has a super takedown of incumbents here, especially Obama.

    http://www.correntewire.com/massive_takedown_obamas_and_baucuss_playing_footsie_big_pharma

    It’s 20 min but he talks about what people can do.

    • Too bad he attacked Hillary all through the primaries and backed Obama until recently….

      • That’s true. I’m just glad some are coming around now.

      • So, Uygur’s in the class of 2010 (adopting Brad DeLong’s “class of” formulation). A little late, especially for those of us in the class of 2007, but late is better than never.

        It’s still a massive takedown; shows how the $80 billion in savings we were supposed to be getting, along with the ponies, from Big Pharma, was far outweighed by patent extension, no imports from Canada, and price hikes. So, Obama got $80 billion and lost like $300 billion.

        • We should’ve sent him to Vegas, our odds would be better.

        • hmmmnnn, I guess that makes me the class of 2004 seeing as that was when I realized he was a phony and a thuggish creep.
          It is not that I wanted any of the republicans to win, but I didn’t want Obama to win either using the sleazy methods he always employs.

  13. Today some guy on Twitter posted the pic of that guy wearing the Sarah Palin is a c**t T-shirt and said he admired the guy. What is wrong with these people?

    • They are total and complete asshats. No redeeming value.

    • They are Sarah Palin’s best political asset.

      Today I explained to my son that attacking Sarah Palin makes her stronger, that she is a threat, not a joke, and that the best thing to do is to take her seriously and challenge her on ideas. (He gets a fair amount of Palinhate from his dad.) He is still wrapping his ten-year-old mind around that.

  14. Barbara Boxer could be in trouble.

    • I wish it was Pelosi instead of Boxer

      • I hope every single incumbent loses.

        • me too

        • a ton of them are going to – it’s going to be kind of fun to watch.

          • I won’t be voting against any democrat incumbents if their opponent is even worse.

            My senator, Patty Murray, is having to face an election. I was so ready to not vote, or vote against her until I learned the probable opponent is Dino Rossi, a scarey kind of Republican. Sadly, it means the R’s in this state have no one moderate to run…Rossi has twice run for Governor, so we are well aware what the guy is.

        • According to polling I’ve read, 92% of Americans agree with us that their representatives shouldn’t be re-elected. 2010 could be a sea change year, I hope.

        • +1000.

          And then we do the same thing in 2012. And in 2014. I figure three election cylces should get their attention.

        • Barbara Boxer is one of the few people in Congress that deserves to stay and vote for us because she’s a good progressive voice, but she’ll be in trouble if she does not run against Obama.

  15. my mom takes on the health care crisis…

  16. How can we fight these people? Americans will turn against the Democrats and give us 2 more years of GOP in Congress and the hopey-changey in the WH. He’ll work with the GOP and the blue dog Democrats to get all the policies that GW could not get through, like dismantling SS and medicare. In 2012, Congress and the WH will be GOP.

    Back in 2006 and 2008 I had hopes, but after watching one year of the hopey-changey guy and the leaders who carried him, I now know that whatever opportunities we had back in 2008 are now gone. Krugman is right; we are doomed.

    • Pretty much, yeah. *passes bottle* It’s going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better, and there’s absolutely no guarantee it will get better. Hooray! *takes bottle back*

    • Whoever came up with this weight thing should be fired. It doesn’t take a genius to figure it’ll look clueless and out of touch and offend people. I mean, didn’t they move their private chef and personal trainer to Washington with them?

    • Another argument where both sides start with faulty premises so any real problem doesn’t stand a chance of being solved.

      Really want to take a big bite out of childhood obesity? Start with the farm bill.

    • I read she was saying it’s a “national security issue” Why? because obesity is the most common disqualifier from the military. So, eat, my babies, eat – or be cannon fodder.

    • It does rub me the wrong way – as the man said – putting your 8 years old on a diet smacks of child abuse. A diet, no matter how permissive, gears the mind to obsess about food when it shouldn’t (especially with a kid). Diets (and unrealistic imagery of thinness) are the source of eating disorders. The only time a diet is justified is as treatment for a -real- medical problem. Otherwise, exercise is the game.
      I tell my kid: eat what you like, eat when you’re hungry, stop when you’re full. So far, she is doing great – and is mocking the obsession with appearance around her.

      • simply keeping better food in the house and getting outside with your kids or chasing them out the door is much better than ever talking about weight.
        On the other hand “outside” is dangerous where many children live. Let’s do something about that. But if you live in a small town, in the country or a good suburb, just model better behavior. It is not a cure-all, but it can help.

  17. (CNN) — The biology professor charged in the shooting deaths Friday of three faculty members at the University of Alabama in Huntsville fatally shot her brother more than 23 years ago, police said Saturday.
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/13/alabama.university.shooting/index.html?hpt=T2

    • I really liked how the ex police chief admitted there was an argument during the shooting and three shots were fired and she fled (nothing suspicious there at all), then tried to blame it all on Delahunt. He’s lucky he’s resigning.

  18. The bare facts:

    Flushed with anticipation and ready to emerge from another long, cold winter, millions of Americans participated this week in the annual tradition of trimming their pubic regions in time for Valentine’s Day.

    A ritual as old as time itself, this year’s pubis-shearing is expected to be among the largest in decades, with more than 20,000 tons of curly clippings predicted to fall by Feb. 14.

  19. Isn’t George W. Bush’s little sister married to one of these Koch brothers?

    Coulda sworn her last name is Koch.

  20. Buffoon Juice:

    According to Chinese astrology, we are starting the Year of the Tiger, about which my very old Book of Chinese Chance paperback says:

    “Tiger years are notoriously turbulent. Political unrest, coup d’etats, and catastrophes often strike during these action-packed years.

    Prudence is advised in all new undertakings… The Tiger, though noble and honorable, endows his year with uncertainty and danger. Tigers never know where they might place their next paw. In Tiger years it is incumbent upon the rest of us to face head-on collisions with our own enemies. When we least expect that calamity, it surges out of nowhere. Much strength is required of us during these testy times.”

    2010 is a Metal year, so this is the year of the Golden Tiger or the White Tiger, depending on which source you believe, but the white tiger is considered a bit of a jinx for reasons I haven’t been able to track.

  21. Tabloids today – we find out there is a war – but the jury is out as to how is it going
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/02/14/tabloids-love-and-war/

  22. Eager to read Dak’s analysis of the NYTimes article that our Wall Street (ie, Goldman Sachs) helped Greece hide its true debt in “creative financing” before entrance into the EU.

    Analysis all over the web (Yves, too), but curious to read Dak’s assessment, since she makes it all so much easier to understand.

  23. Yes, W’s sister did marry into the Koch family. Old Man Koch was also one of the founders of the Heritage Foundation.

  24. It’s not just the Koch family that supports right-wing stink tanks–it’s also the Bradleys, the Coors, the Ahmansons, and other right-wing billionaire families. It’s their investment in reducing their taxes, and the ROI has been tremendous. Doesn’t matter if they destroy the country in the process.

    As to fighting them, we need to start an information campaign on our side to fight the disinformation. I’ve been saying it for ten years, and no one has been willing to listen.

    Carolyn Kay
    MakeThemAccountable.com

    • Weekly Talking Points. And a group of Bloggers/FaceBook/Tweeters organizing news discussions around those SPECIFIC talking points. I kind of think that’s what the Obama Supporters did.

  25. Carolyn, I’m with you. And my dad has been hounding me ever since I started writing here …

    But, How do we organize this Information Campaign? It seems like “progressives” are more interested in labeling people as “stupid” than fighting the messages these “stupid” people are invoking…

  26. Carolyn and Katiebird, count me in.

  27. I have a lot of ambitious ideas, but I’m not sure how to start. We have a few good websites that could form a basis, but we don’t link to each other often enough.

    We have to tout each other if we’re going to raise awareness of our ideas.

    Carolyn Kay
    MakeThemAccountable.com

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