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Remember When We Believed In a Place Called Hope?

Remember when Donna Brazile told us all that the Democratic Party was forming a New Coalition that was “…more urban, as well as suburban…” and that the party didn’t need gays, Hispanics, blue collar voters (more commonly known as Jacksonians) and us bitter, clingy feminists anymore? Donna was either flying high that night, or she was serious. We can safely assume she was serious, particularly after she wrote this gem in response to an innocent young voter’s (ie: me) inquiries about seating the delegates in Florida and Michigan.

As of today, I am not going to respond to any more anti American, Anti Democratic emails. Have a nice day.
I am sorry because you are sincere, but the Hillary forces are uncivil, repugnant and vile. When you come up for air and would like to email a person who cares about America and not just a personality, I will respond.
Thanks for your time and your interest.

This afternoon, in between being uncivil, repungant and vile and also hating America (and also toting a gun and being raycist), I came across this article on FB, which explains why the conventional wisdom about Obama’s current joke of a Presidency is, as usual, wrong:

The conventional wisdom is that Barack Obama’s decline in the polls represents a new, unexpected turn against him. But an examination of the results of the recent elections in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts suggests that what we might really be seeing is a return to the skepticism that significant portions of the electorate have showed about Obama from the beginning of his national career.

For six months during the 2008 primaries, Obama and Hillary Clinton crisscrossed the country wooing voters. Obama consistently failed to win over important parts of the Democratic base, even after it became clear that he was going to be his party’s nominee.

On February 5—Super Tuesday— Obama did poorly in both New Jersey and Massachusetts, losing to Clinton by 10 and 15 points, respectively. The exit polls were in line with Obama’s performance throughout the primary race: He did very well with blacks, wealthy voters, highly educated voters, and very young voters. He did poorly with working-class whites and older voters. In New Jersey, Obama was +20 among voters under the age of 29, but about -26 among voters over 50. In Massachusetts, he ran even with young voters, and -31 among those over 65. As for education, Obama was -41 among voters with only a high school degree, but ran even, or just ahead, among voters possessing postgraduate degrees. And then there was gender and race. In New Jersey, Obama was -19 among white men; in Massachusetts he was +1.


The question, then, is how these various coalition groups—the white ethnic enclaves, the Jacksonians, the suburban and industrial town voters—have reacted to Democrats since Obama took office. And the answer is: Without enthusiasm.

(Note: only cool young people like me and Regency voted for Hillary, but you all ready know that.) There’s usually no point in Nostalgia. But remember when the Democratic party was the party of the “Big Tent?” Remember when it was supposed to represent the interests of those who were “invisible,” as our Shero used to say? Remember the party that could overcome the labels and name calling defined by the Village and the Right Wing Noise Machine in service of things like Health Care for children, job creation, the environment and tax cuts for the Middle Class? I’m having a hard time, because it’s been a long time since the Big Dawg was President, and I was only an (adorable) little tot back then, but I digress.

The point is, the Democratic Party we once loved and belonged to bit the dust on May 31st at the RBC meeting, but we all know that. Its just that its only now, too late, that the rest of the world is realizing we were right all along about our beloved leader and the “New Coalition.” It is extremely enjoyable to relish in Donna and the rest of the DNC’s Karma, and it is at times satisfying to watch President Obama crash and burn, not because we wanted that to happen–Obama’s failure isn’t just dragging down his poll numbers, its also dragging down this country and all of the unemployed people who are struggling to make ends meet while Wall Street Bankers point and laugh at them from on high atop of their giant mounds of bailout money–but because it is only small consolation after having our vaginas compared to grilled cheese sandwiches (well, my vagina wasn’t compared to a grilled cheese sandwich, but I was still mad about the reference in general) and being basically kicked out of the party a lot of us remained loyal to our entire lives, despite it being such a hot mess.

However, vindictiveness gets us nowhere. The PUMA brand appears to have been usurped by disturbed lunatics such as the Hillbuzz boys, who now spend their days photoshopping pictures of Senator Claire McCaskill in pajamas and campaigning for conservatives like Sarah Palin, Scott Brown and Michelle Bachmann, and the Teabaggers Tea party is a front for the Right Wing.

Many have suggested forming a third party, but as Joseph Cannon explained third parties have been shown to be unsuccessful and their candidates are spoilers. Like it or not, we have a two party system and its going to stay that way. So what do we do?

The right wing nutsos — the Friedmanites, the libertarians — did not say: “We’re not getting what we want from the Republicans, so let’s form a new party.”

Actually, I tell a lie. Before the great takeover occurred, and during the days of Nixon, some right-wing ultras did go down the third party route. A Libertarian party was formed, and the American Independent Party did well in the ’68 and ’72 elections, under George Wallace and John Schmitz.

George is the one who made that remark about there not being a dime’s worth of difference between the two major parties. John is the one who said “If you’re out of Schmitz, you’re out of gear. And if someone doesn’t get that kid get to shut up, I’ll do it myself.”

Apologies for that digression. (If you weren’t alive at that time, you may be confused by the references.)

The reactionary element within this country achieved much greater success when it decided to take over the Republican party. They have now commandeered it to such a degree that John Schmitz’ son Joseph has a comfy place in it. (Joseph used to help run Blackwater and he was the DOD IG under W.) The fanatics not only took over the party, they also commandeered the national debate. They set the limits of permissible thought.

It’s time to take the party back from the “New Coalition.” Its time we gave Donna a fork and made her eat her words. Its time real liberals–and by real I don’t mean fauxgressives of the former Neocon variety such as Arianna and Morkos– I mean real liberals, took the party back from so called “Blue Dogs” and Howard Dean and his crappy “Fifty State Strategy.” Its time we got our party back. Because deep down, we know it still always belonged to us. One needs only to take one look at the flailing Obots on the Huffington Post and the Daily Kos to see that. I miss our “Big Tent.” Lets call it up and tell it to please come home.

I remember being a little kid and knowing I was a Democrat, because I thought that no matter what, I would never feel invisible if there was a “D” after my name. That was what I loved about the Democratic Party. Now so many Americans feel more invisible than ever. Even Wanda Sykes.

I miss my Clinton panties too.

Clinton isn’t out there preaching that only certain types of love are acceptable. He isn’t bemoaning what is wrong with our nation, but constantly emphasizing what is right with it. Clinton is not a gloom and doom kind of guy waiting for an imaginary apocalypse to free us from this evil world. Clinton prefers to see the good in people rather than the worst. The President is an almost idealized concept of an optimist who believes that as long as we are here, we might as well try to make it the best world that we can.

Most of us appreciate that. Because in the end, we, too, would like to believe that we are people who-though we are often flawed and all too human- struggle each day to make the world a little better than how we found it.

Clinton just seems more like one of us. He actually has facial expressions. He plays the sax. He eats at fast food restaurants and struggles with weight gain as a result. He gets all red in the face as he jogs around the block. He even makes bad choices when it comes to picking out which tie to wear for the cameras.

I don’t think anyone would call him a saint. And that is the number one reason that the Republicans hate him so very much. He isn’t a saint at all. Neither are we.

As Andy points out in the song, “He made too many enemies… Of the people who would keep us on our knees..”

And all the while that the Christian Coalition driven lemmings in our government have been harping on the fact that only a saint can run this country effectively, Bill Clinton has been proving them wrong.

And the Righteous Republicans really, really hate that.

Do you still believe in a place called hope? I think I do.

109 Responses

  1. Unfortunately, the bankers, PhRMA, and the other big money players are going to determine the candidates–for both parties. If you choose to vote for one of those candidates, know that they are not beholden to you.

  2. and what is this supposed to convey? that you love HIllary and Bill – again?? what you Clinton-worshippers fail to really understand is that those who voted for Obama, while perhaps very disappointed in some of his policies and what he is doing, do NOT long for Hillary to take his place and we never did. she is not in the picture of the presidency at all. she is SOS and leave her there, doing a good job. there is no buyers remorse at all – you are just projecting your wishes onto those who voted for Obama.
    We’re doing just fine without Hillary’s fans and don’t regret our choice one bit. Those of you who actually think a Hillary presidency would be much different are in la la land. she had just as many enemies as Obama – and the republicans who now say they admire her would be attacking her right and left if she was president and you know it. with the exception of healthcare not in a freeze, she would not be getting any more done than Obama, probably less.

    • Please don’t take this the wrong way but fuck off.

    • The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

    • Hillary Clinton would not own General Motors
      Hillary Clinton would not take 6 months to decide how to deal with Afghanistan after giving a speech on what she would do with Afghanistan
      Hillary Clinton would have been front and center in the health care reform debate with specifics on what she expects
      Hillary Clinton would not have left the country to try and get the Olympics after she said she wouldn’t
      Hillary Clinton would not have won the Peace Prize because no one would have nominated her after only three days as POTUS
      Hillary Clinton would not have lost New Jersey, Virginia or Mass.
      Hillary Clinton would not have bowed to anyone
      Hillary Clinton would not have had to have a beer summit because she wouldn’t have insulted anyone
      Hillary Clinton wouldn’t waste her time or have her staff waste their time on talking about Fox News or Rush
      Hillary Clinton wouldn’t take months to pick a dog
      Hillary Clinton wouldn’t do a NCAA Tournament bracket and then spend time on ESPN talking about it
      Hillary Clinton would have stopped campaigning when she won in November and would have started GOVERNING.
      Hillary Clinton would get tough and through questions from journalists on her decisions and choices
      Hillary Clinton would work with the GOP because she has a history or doing that
      Hillary Clinton as POTUS would mean the press and left would spend less time on chewing up and spitting out Sarah Palin
      Hillary Clinton’s White House would not have had to apologize to the Special Olympics — TWICE

    • wow! A troll all ready! Looks like this post was a success!

    • Maybe Obamagirl should breakup with Obama by writing a breakup note on her hand:

    • Hey Ellen, can you pull your head out of your *ss long enough to realize that it was your typical KoolAid drinking attitude that gave us this loser? Hillary would get something done, as opposed to Nobama who has gotten NOTHING done.

    • I just love how you idiots keep spewing right wing talking points while professing to be “real” Democrats. Like Arianna Huffington, who was a Republican all throughout the 90’s and a cheerleader for Bob Dole’s run in 96′? How about ol’ Markos and his vote for George H.W. Bush in 92′? How about John-I don’t want to be gay so I will hide the fact that I am gay by being a big A-hole Republican all throughout the 80’s and early 90’s Arovosis?

      Fuck off Ellen!

      Hillary won in 2000 by 10 points in her first Senate run. This after “America’s Mayor” Rudy Gulliano was going to blow her carpetbagger ass out of the water. It never happened. It didn’t happen when she ran and won for reelection and won by even larger margins. This after she won every big state in the 2008 primary’s even without the Kennedy mystique, which by the way no longer exists. It didn’t die with Teddy….it died when a dipshit like Carolyn Kennedy opened her mouth and could only string “well, you know” together for 20 minutes.

      If the Democratic primary system was an actual primary and not filled with little caucuses for young voters, and old dumb ones with Napoleon complexes to fuck with, Hillary would have been the candidate and you Ellen might just now have a public health care option, some tax relief, and control over your own vagina. [maybe that last part in your case is but a small gift to us all-as your genetic makeup should end with you!

  3. I think I’m gonna cry.

    I don’t recall the original Dean movement being this awful. DFA wasn’t the same after it was sold to the Obama machine. And I don’t see a problem with a fifty-state strategy per se. We’ll need one too.

  4. I don’t go to Hillbuzz, I don’t go to many other websites, but I still call myself a Puma, and proudly so. I absolutely will not call myself a Democrat anymore, I am an independent. I won’t be beholden to a party period, I won’t vote for the candidate because he has a D after his name, and I won’t forget the backlash, the threats, the name calling, the sexism, and all the other crap we had to endure because we didn’t support the ONE. I’ll always support Hillary, but I am a Independent Puma, and plan to stay that way.

    • I’m not suggesting you call yourself a Democrat, or that you forget everything that was done in 2008. I also remain loyal to Hillary. In fact, what I’m suggesting is that you use that as a rallying point to fix the party so you can begin to think about calling yourself a Democrat again. As Helenk said, it might take a while, but like a nice guy with money who’s good in bed, its worth fighting for.
      PUMA was initially a good counterpoint to the “New Coalition” but now its been taken over by the right wing, and thats okay because it served its purpose. Now that the “New Coalition” has proven to be a huge dud, we can work on taking our party back from within, which is how things should be done.

      • I don’t think PUMAs have been taken over by the right wing. I consider myself a PUMA and my decision to abstain from voting or for voting Republican in protest doesn’t make me a right winger. (Drastic times call for drastic measures, after all–and it works! Brown’s win in MA is a testament to that!) That said, both Parties are corrupt, so in order to take it back you have to remove the Cancer that’s taken it over — Obama and his ilk. The next election cycle or two should take care of that. In the meantime, I’m enjoying my freedom from the old ideological shackles and my new independent (small “i”) status.

        BTW, McCaskill sucks big time. She played a big roll in throwing out the FDR/Clinton coalition and replacing it with Obama’s Neo Dem coalition (as described above). She must be made accountable for the nightmare that she help usher with BO and his failed economic, Constitutional, perpetual war, and health care policies. Didn’t she campaign for health care reform by speaking out against Medicare — saying it was a failed program (i.e. therefore it must be defunded, etc.) — and by extension “old people”? (!) It was the grassroots Tea Party movement — which also included many centrist and liberal Dems – at town Halls who stopped her and other Obama Dems in their tracks when it came to ramming HCR down our throats. (There is a difference between the grassroots Tea Party movement and the GOP co-opted version.)

    • yeah, what she said 😕

  5. Well done, LI, well done! A clarion call, long overdue.

  6. I can remember a time when I was proud to be a democrat. When I was a little older than you are now, my first vote was for JFK. We really did believe we could make the country and the world a better place. We believed in giving someone a helping hand when needed and give them a way to be able to help themselves. We believed that this was the best country on earth and that we could make it even better.
    Now the new democratic party believes in insulting and belittling the people that worked for democrats for years. They believe I got mine and screw you. The diss this great country every time they can. They made me ashamed to ever have been called a democrat.
    After almost 50 years I am no longer a democrat and now I can proudly call my self and independent.
    I will take years to undo the harm done by the new democratic party. It can be done but many changes will have to be made and people will have to be made to step down. That will not happen without a fight.
    Little Isis I am still saving money to donate to yours and Regency’s campaigns because I think you can make a difference. When you get into office please make the ERA one of your main issues.



    • Yes, the ERA must be paramount.

    • helenk, your post was very moving and beautiful. Saying you still have hope that the next generation can make the world a better place is exactly what we all need to remember.

      • thank you.

        there are some young people who give me hope. They have a brain and are not afraid to use it.
        They have a good beliefs and values and do not fall for the bs.
        I even have a litte hope that some of the young kool-aid drinkers will wake up and say ” what have I done and how can I make it better”. This is my country and I want to make it better.”



  7. Little Isis — I agree with many of your points.

    I really don’t want to form a *separate* party. I always saw myself as a “PUMA democrat” versus the Obamacrats. But what happened is the party leaders forced us into accepting their candidate via public intimidation during the primary and when those efforts weren’t working then by changing the delegate rules and making us accept undemocratic terms like forgoing a televised roll call vote at the convention because they wanted to show the world that Obama was indeed presidential material. As if big columns and mass gatherings were proof of his abilities. The leaders need to admit that this was a colossal mistake.

    I liked being a Democrat for a long time (decades). I liked being part of the Big Tent and the squabbling that occurred at conventions to develop the party platform. I’d even welcome the Obamacrats under that tent, BUT first they must admit publicly and with great humility that they f****d up royally! They must put into the Dem Party charter assurances that the process of following 18 million voters votes and allow their voices to be heard at the convention. They must promise that 2008 will never happen again! Then they must get rid of people like Brazille, strip her of her delegate status, likewise those others who insulted chastized and belittled the voices of blue collar Americans. They must admit that the divisive and destructive tactic of calling anyone and everyone who didn’t support Obama a “racist” a huge blunder. They would have to admit that the usage of labelling people racists was merely a tactic they used to forge its older and wiser members into lockstep. They must admit that they tricked the youth into supporting an empty suit by using a lofty promise of HOPE and portraying Obama as the next coming of Christ (while they lambasted religious peoples for their faith). They must admit that Obama himself set the path for relegating public financing of elections essentially meaningless with his statement that private dollars constitutes public financing of elections. And they must get rid of Soros and eliminate the sway of the Soros-backed orgs (like MoveOn which I was a member of) have over the party. Ickes being placed as ethics commissioner would be a great start.

    But unfortunately, I don’t see any of that happening, even after the major losses in 2010. And I don’t know of anyone who could forge a new Big Tent. That dream is lost.

    • No dream is ever lost if you feel passionately about it. And I know of a lot of people who can take the party back and do the things you mentioned above: there’s you, and me, and Riverdaughter, and Dakinikat, and SOD, and everyone else at TC and more.

      If you have a minute, you should read Toni Morrison’s lecture after she won the Nobel Peace prize for literature in 1993. I had to read it for school today and it really got me to thinking about all this. here’s the link:


      Read the whole lecture, especially this part:

      Finally she speaks and her voice is soft but stern. “I don’t know”, she says. “I don’t know whether the bird you are holding is dead or alive, but what I do know is that it is in your hands. It is in your hands.”

      “Is there no speech,” they ask her, “no words you can give us that helps us break through your dossier of failures? Through the education you have just given us that is no education at all because we are paying close attention to what you have done as well as to what you have said? To the barrier you have erected between generosity and wisdom?

      “We have no bird in our hands, living or dead. We have only you and our important question. Is the nothing in our hands something you could not bear to contemplate, to even guess? Don’t you remember being young when language was magic without meaning? When what you could say, could not mean? When the invisible was what imagination strove to see? When questions and demands for answers burned so brightly you trembled with fury at not knowing?

      I don’t think anyone here realizes that while we lost 2008, we’re winning the war (figuratively speaking of course). We were right. And we have the power to take our country back, no matter what anyone says. Giving up is unacceptable.

      • And furthermore, you shouldn’t think of failures as defeats. Rather, think of them as oppurtunities. *gets off of soapbox*

        • guess I should have clarified what I meant by “the dream is lost” — as long as we are forced to join the New Dem Party without some of the concessions I mentioned, than it’s lost for me.

          You can’t move ahead without acknowledgment of where you were. They have to apologize and admit their strategy FAILED first and foremost. I don’t think of failure as defeat, but I see how you could see that from my comment. I’m working with other Dems in my area for that phoenix to rise again. But first the concessions need to be made.

          Sen. Feingold is a great example of this.

      • I’ve been in a Franny and Zooey mood since Salinger’s passing. The ending:

        Seymour told me to shine my shoes…I was furious. The studio audience were all morons, the announcer was a moron, the sponsors were morons, and I just damn well wasn’t going to shine my shoes for them, I told Seymour. I said they couldn’t see them anyway, where we sat. He said to shine them anyway. He said to shine them for the Fat Lady. I didn’t know what the hell he was talking about, but he had a very Seymour look on his face, and so I did it. He never did tell me who the Fat Lady was, but I shined my shoes for the Fat Lady every time I ever went on the air again — all the years you and I were on the program together, if you remember. I don’t think I missed more than just a couple of times. This terribly clear, clear picture of the Fat Lady formed in my mind. I had her sitting on this porch all day, swatting flies, with her radio going full-blast from morning till night. I figured the heat was terrible, and she probably had cancer, and — I don’t know. Anyway, it seemed goddamn clear why Seymour wanted me to shine my shoes when I went on the air. It made sense.

      • I agree. And one of the reasons I agree is that I really do believe in the American People. They’re good people. Liberal, conservative, whatever, the vast majority are are heart good, sensible, caring people.

        I don’t buy that they are all stupid. I don’t buy that they are all a bunch of clueless doofuses just blowing whatever way the political manipulators choose. I think they are very aware of the manipulation, and even use the manipulators to their purpose, as much as they are used.

        I just do not believe that in the end, they are going to let either party ruin this country. They will slowly dig in their heels against crooks and crazies form either side. They might jump on or off this or that bandwagon in sheer frustration, but I believe they will come through for us all in the end. The People will save the day, given half a chance – not some new grand leader.

        I just do not believe that the majority are blind ideologues or party automatons, either right or left. I think we are, primarily, a very sensible people. And stubborn.

        • I have been talking more with conservative friends about politics. We don’t speak the same political language at all (Obama a socialist? What dictionary do you use?) but we share the same frustrations.

        • Well I’ve never seen an administration from either party in my life that’s shown such little regard for working class Americans…in the midst of a massive recession no less. Guess it’s only been a year.

        • They already have let both parties ruin the country.

          They just don’t know it yet.

          And how could they? Some watch the news every day and politicians and pundits are busy spinning them a nice big web. Some could care less and watch, what instead? Sitcoms? Sport? Gossip shows?
          They are totally clueless.

          Most Americans are too scared to do anything. And I don’t blame them. When the laws of the constitution are being slowly but surely dismantled and freedom of speech lost – that is a terrifying reality.

          But lets face it, for the majority of citizen, ignorance is still bliss.

        • I agree, 100%. I am so over the insults to the American people. Yes, sometimes we aren’t as involved as we should be, but ordinary Americans have jobs, children, lives, obligations, responsibilities. They depend on the media and the press and their leaders to tell them whats up with what little time they have and they get fed wrong information. And the sad thing is that the banking and oil industries know that, so they take full advantage.

      • No, no, we didn’t loose in 2008 – it was stolen from us through sheer thugery

    • An apology would help, but I guess I would prefer they leave the party. Can they be trusted with Democracy?


  8. I will never be a Democrat again, as far as I can tell. I appreciate you saying it’s the only place we can go to effect change. I certainly won’t be a Republican either.
    BUT – I have nothing in common with the “new coalition” -and I don’t want to either.
    Why join up with the blogger boyz, the misogynists, the young know-nothing fauxgressives?
    I have much more power as an Independent. Each issue will be examined on it’s own, each candidate on her or his own.
    Besidesd, I supported the Democrats for years, only to have them turn on me when I needed them.
    Now the weasels want to use abortion as a negotiating tool to get their HRC passed – and we lose again.
    Screw ’em

    • Again, I’m not suggesting we team up with “the New Coalition.” I’m saying we take the party back from them. That’s doable and that’s how we can affect change. That doesn’t mean that you are a Democrat. Right now, I’m an independent too.

    • I completely and wholeheartedly agree!! After a lifetime of being a democrat, I will never join that party, nor probably any party (but most especially never that party), again. It is not now, nor apparently has it been, a party of the people for many decades now, I just didn’t want to see it. I refuse to sit in the back of the bus, I refuse to put my needs and my daughters’ needs and my sisters’ needs second to anyones, anywhere, anytime, anymore. The days of compromise and belief in future promises are definitely over.

      • {raucous applause} damn straight!

      • Its got nothing to with the back of the bus, compromises, or future promises. As voters, we do not need to comprimise or wait for things to happen. If you care about your daughter’s future, you don’t scream from the outside and expect people to hear you. You have to be involved in the process and come up with real solutions to affect change.
        If you care about something, you fight for it, even if you haven’t got much fight left in you. I’ll quote Hillary on this:

        “Harriet Tubman had one piece of advice. If you hear the dogs, keep going. If you see the torches in the woods, keep going. If they’re shouting after you, keep going. Don’t ever stop. Keep going. If you want a taste of freedom, keep going. Even in the darkest of moments, that is what Americans have done. We have found the faith to keep going.”

        So we don’t vote for candidates that aren’t liberal enough or are beholden to the bank and oil industries. We withhold our votes, because our votes are all we have. but we never with hold our voices.

        It’s like having a boyfriend who really likes anal. If he has betrayed your trust in some way, withhold anal or something else he likes, he’ll realize he’s not getting that candy, and he’ll eventually have to earn your trust again in order to get what he needs from you. Now, you could just dump each other, but in the end you might each have something the other needs, so you do what it takes to change.

        A raunchy analogy, I know, but its the best I can come up with. The point is, the only way to change whats going on here is to do something about it. Otherwise, you shouldn’t complain.

  9. Very inspiring littleisis. But I’m still bitter. I’d like to take down Donna along with her network CNN. I’m cogitating. 🙂

  10. I remember.

    I expect it is going to take some more bad losses after what has been done to the Democratic brand before we can really rebuild the party and take much of anything back. Grayslady is right, they are all beholden to Wall Street once they get to DC. I’m preparing for the worst and hoping for it not to come to pass.

    Not really feeling a place called Hope at the moment. More like a place called independence, lower-case i.

    But, I do remember. Thanks for the post and the encouragement to dig deep.

    • So we withhold our votes completely until they lose enough and decide to get back on the side of the American people. It shouldn’t matter how long its going to take. No giving up, and I will not stop badgering everyone until they come around to my viewpoint on this.

      As for hope, you do have it, even if its not of the hope TM Obot variety.

    • We won’t be able to take the party back until those in power determine they can no longer lie and buy their way back into power each cycle. The chance to take it back now was destroyed when so many Hillary voters let themselves be talked into voting for Obama because of the “D”. That was a fundamental error.

      It may take years to get over that one act of party loyalty on the part of so many. I love her as a candidate and would vote for her over anybody, but Hillary has some responsibility for selling that mistake. That shouldn’t be forgotten either.

      • Just my two: Hillary would never have been able to retain her power base if she didn’t keep her promise to campaign for Obama. She survived to fight another day. I never felt upset with Hillary doing what she had to do after she conceded. I didn’t agree with her, and my support for her was not transferable to Obama. But, I understood that she was fighting from within the party as a politician to bring the party back on track, and I was fighting from outside the party as an independent voter trying to keep the party from falling off the cliff. Same basic goal, but different paths to get there.

        • Don’t get me wrong. I’m not angry about it and understood it at the time and now. I don’t agree with it and think it’s worthy of remembrance as a future reference. Especially if it stops people from making the same “party loyalty” mistake again.

        • Good call, Wonk. Hillary has always said that she believes in changing the system from within. Unlike most politicians, she is fairly consistent.

      • We take our power back by electing democrats who share our ideals and the true party principles.

        • The primaries are the most effective place to make a change.

          If we had the luxury of 20 years, we could start with school boards and other such elections. I don’t think we have that long to make a change for the better.


  11. OT, but a sincere tribute from HRC:

    Statement on Congressman Jack Murtha
    Hillary Rodham Clinton

    I was deeply saddened to hear of the passing of Congressman Jack Murtha. From the battlefields of Vietnam to the hills of Western Pennsylvania to the halls of Congress, Jack Murtha lived by the Marine Corps credo “Semper Fidelis,” never wavering in his faithful commitment to the country he loved and the men and women who bravely defend her. In war and in peace, he fought for what he knew was right, even when it was unpopular. He was a fierce advocate for working families struggling with a changing economy and for better health care and equipment for service members. And over the course of more than three decades in Congress, he became one of our nation’s most respected voices on national security and foreign policy. Presidents of both parties sought his advice and generations of colleagues looked to him for leadership and wisdom. As Senator from New York serving on the Armed Services Committee, I was fortunate to call Jack a friend and mentor. And as Secretary of State, I continued to rely on his expertise and judgment. I knew that Jack would always shoot straight, like the Marine he was, and never shy away from a difficult question or a tough fight. Today our country has lost a decorated war hero and a distinguished public servant. The men and women of our armed forces have lost a tireless champion. And the people of Pennsylvania’s 12th district have lost a neighbor, an advocate, and a true friend. My thoughts and prayers are with them and with Jack’s beloved wife Joyce and their family. He will be sorely missed.


    • That was beautiful. HRC said it perfectly.

    • That’s a heck of a letter, fif. I get a little teary-eyed when I think of what we lost in 2008. But I read something like this [even though I’ve criticized Murtha in the past] and it makes me proud that HRC is on our side, the American side, someone who has the grace and generosity that she repeatedly demonstrates, in addition to all her other talents being tapped in the State Department.

      Heck of a letter! Heck of a woman! Hillary Clinton is the example to follow. She is what the Democratic Party is all about, the party I refuse to give up on [although it’s hard, really hard right now].

  12. Hope is not a good thing. Hope is what keeps people in dysfunctional relationships. If you abandon hope, you can look at things with clarity. What woman would want to identify herself with the Democratic Party? Make them work for your vote.

    • Wasn’t it Nietzsche who said hope is the “most evil of evils” because it prolongs man’s torment?

      Hope=the last evil left in Pandora’s box.

    • ITA

      besides Obama copied the “Place called Hope” thing from Bill Clinton.

      It is unbelievable, but O got away with it.

      Here is Bill Clinton’s “I still believe in A Place Called Hope”
      July 16, 1992


      Considering today’s atmosphere it may be hard to believe but BC did bring change to Washington. And they never forgave him for it.

      Obama and the Democrats ratified everything Bush and his party ruined. They are all one party.

      Anyone who believes the Dem Party can be changed from within is dreaming.

      Change can only come from the outside.

      Walk away!

  13. My hope arises from
    the Fair Elections Now Act http://www.fairelectionsnow.org/
    Mad as Hell Doctors http://madashelldoctors.com/
    those who fight corporations as persons

    Joe Sestak running against Arlen Specter

    People like you, LI, and the rest of the TCers who believe in democracy and the rule of law.

  14. I think this take on the value of third parties is interesting:


  15. We don’t need a new party, we need to take back our old one.

    To paraphrase Lesley Gore, “It’s my party and I’ll fight for it if I want to.”

  16. Bush “Miss me yet?” billboard mystery solved.

    The Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting that the billboard was paid for by a group of small business owners:

    “It was put up by a group of small business owners — who want to stay anonymous –because they felt Washington wasn’t listening,” said Mary McNamara, a spokeswoman for the company that owns the billboard. “They felt like it was a good way to get their message out.”

  17. Oh goody! Look what the “grown-ups” in charge of our country are doing:

    • Obama Rulz, Palin Droolz!!!

    • WOW. Howe beyond infantile can you be? And these people are running our government?

    • Oh yeah – h/t to Blue Lyon, via vastleft.

    • I can think of a particular hand gesture I’d like to give Gibbs.

    • This brings to mind a quote from my eldest son, now 26. He was flipping through TV channels one day, and happened to stop on some snot-nosed 16 year old on Jerry Springer or some such. The kid was being an insulting ass, while preening and obviously delighted with his snarky little juvenile self.

      My son looked on, aghast, and mused, “i wonder what would have happened to me if I had ever in my life talked to people that way?” He thought for a second, then looked over at me, and firmly concluded, ” Mom, you would have put me through a damn wall.”

      Call me an old grumpy Mama, but I often watch the current Democratic leadership and wonder, “Who the hell RAISED these assholes??”

      • Just like in the business world, attitude and culture are set at the top. This is an example of why the lack of civility and respect is on the rise.

        That man is the voice of the administration.

      • Women, that’s who. They don’t want Mom, er, Hillary telling them what to do. They want to play edgy hipster with their cool new friends. They’re like the teenage punk rockers who make their folks drop them off two blocks away from the show so their friends don’t laugh at the minivan.

      • I think the same thing, WMCB. I have two, early 30’s sons and though one is a recovering Obamatron, I cannot imagine either of my guys speaking to anyone in the uncivil manner that we’re constantly subjected to in these “reality” TV shows.

        But then, I go back to the 2009 inauguration, watching Rahm Emmanuel give a nose wave to George Bush. I hated the Bush years, thought George Bush was one of the worst presidents of my living memory, but I found that display completely inappropriate. It was an insult not simply to George Bush but to the Presidency of the United States.


        Rude, crass behavior works from the top, down. Not the other way. The whole society seems to have been infected. But if one of my sons or daughters behaved in that way? They know they’d have me on the warpath, in their face. Don’t care how old they are.

        I’m just sensitive that way :0).

  18. There are trolls on this thread. This is wonderful! I’ve pissed off Obots! See? This is a sign that I’m right!

  19. littleisis, I look forward to following your brilliant career for years to come.

  20. New Thread up top!

  21. I am a fan of Wanda Syke and her talk shows. She simply has class and style. And unlike other talk shows, she focuses on modern day topics and issues. Ohh!! And referring Obama as underwear and the reason behind was absolutely brilliant but true.

  22. I doubt many Obama voters have more buyer’s remorse than I do. But you PUMAs still crack me up. If it’s not the eternal flame of your sulking that Hillary didn’t get away with the “now they don’t count, now they do” shenanigans re FL/MI, it’s your juvenile fantasies about the Camelot II: Electric Boogaloo that the her administration would have ushered in. Which part would have pleased you the most? “Obliterating” Iran? Or wise economic policies like the gas tax holiday? That you can seriously believe that she wouldn’t have been as bought-and-paid-for a corporate tool as Obama makes it impossible to take you seriously.

    • You sound bitter. Take your remorse and choke on it somewhere else. That you voted for Obama in the first place is all we need to know about your judgement skills.

    • Yeah … it’s impossible to take US seriously when you all bought the Hope & Change we all get unity ponies from a man who had NO policy suggestions, no record of legislative achievement, didn’t hold meetings for the one committeship he held and can’t govern now ’cause he’s still caught up in perpetual campaign mode unable to convey a thought with a teleprompter! BTW, he’s caved to every republican demand. What a leader! Hillary, was still trying to get homeowners the ability to have judges reassess their mortgages when going through bankruptcy during TARP negotiations … Obama was MIA parading around the world.


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