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Wōden’s Day Wake-up

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Wōden the Wanderer

Those of us who practice that “old-time religion” know that today was named for the Anglo-Saxon god Wōden. He is the pagan god of death, battle, wisdom, discoverer of the runes and leader the Wild Hunt.


Health Care Mandate Sparks Constitutional Debate
The requirement that everyone buy health insurance — a central element to President Obama’s health care plan — is flatly unconstitutional, legal experts argue.


It’s Crunch Time

The next couple of months will be crucial in determining the shape of the financial system for decades to come. And so far, the signs are not encouraging.

The Obama administration is trying to refocus our attention on regulation, beginning with the president’s speech in New York two weeks ago. The financial system, after all, brought us a near-catastrophic crisis that turned a mild recession into a painfully severe one. And Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, says that he still plans to pass a regulatory reform bill before the end of the year.

But in a clear indication of trouble ahead, Frank signaled his intention last week to scale back the proposed Consumer Financial Protection Agency, one of the pillars of the administration’s reform proposals.


Crist stands by prediction Obama could face massive defeat

Florida Gov. Charlie Crist is standing by his recent prediction that President Obama may be headed for a massive electoral defeat similar to that which President Carter faced in 1980.

[It] may happen again,” Crist told CNN’s John Roberts on American Morning Tuesday. “What I think has occurred is that in 1976 the people wanted a change…I think the same thing sort of happened last year in America.”


Oil, ideology keep China from joining Iran push
White House frustration grows as Beijing shows reluctance


American Samoa hit by tsunami after earthquake in Pacific

Tsunami sweeps into Pago Pago in American Samoa after an 8.3-magnitude earthquake shook the Pacific – dozens of people killed.



Sarah Palin finishes memoir ahead of schedule

The former Alaska Governor’s “Going Rogue” is due in stores 17 November.


Adolf Hitler suicide story questioned after tests reveal skull is a woman’s

Adolf Hitler’s suicide in his Berlin bunker has been called into question after American researchers claimed that a bullet-punctured skull fragment long believed to belong to the Nazi dictator is, in fact, that of an unknown woman.


FBI: Bloody Silhouette of Child Found in Casey Anthony’s Trunk

The 23-year-old Orlando woman is charged with killing her 2-year-old daughter Caylee, hiding the child’s remains and lying to investigators about a baby sitter kidnapping her.


Red Sox clinch playoff berth

The SF Giants had a good run but the fat lady is about to sing.


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  1. On a personal note, one of my favorite fantail goldfish died yesterday.

    Funeral services will take place later this morning.

  2. Michael Ledeen is beating the drums again:

    We’ve Been Talking to Iran for 30 Years

    All the chickenhawk neocons who got us into Iraq should have wear a scarlet letter “W” to warn people that they are warmongers.

  3. I hope we don’t have any more visitors from NAMBLA today.

    • Actually NAMBLA members are boy-lovers. I don’t know if there is a group for girl rapists–there probably is though.

    • That was bizarre. It took us a while to realize how consistently insane he/she was.

      • On that note, here are two opposing views: one, a friend and apologist for RP, and the other demanding justice:

        Why Arrest Roman Polanski Now?

        So when, just before lunch on Sunday, the news broke that Mr. Polanski had been arrested overnight at the Zurich airport on an outstanding warrant relating to a conviction for sex with a minor back in the 1970s, my first response was to feel almost physically sick. Mr. Polanski has become a good friend. Our families have spent time together. His daughter and mine keep in regular touch. His past did not bother me, any more (presumably) than it did the three French presidents with whom he has had private dinners, or the hundreds of actors and technicians who have worked with him since 1977, or the fans who come up to him in the streets of Paris for his autograph.

        I suspect that this peculiar standoff — of sporadic, bureaucratic twitchings to remind the world that Mr. Polanski was still a fugitive, but no serious attempts at arrest — would have continued had it not been for Marina Zenovich’s 2008 documentary, “Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired.”

        http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/opinion/30harris.html

        Repulsion: Director Roman Polanski must face justice for 1977 rape of 13-year-old

        What’s shocking is that so many notables would rise up to defend a man guilty of such reprehensible behavior. And their attempted excuses for Polanski – His mother died in the Holocaust! His wife was murdered by the Manson family! It wasn’t the girl’s first time anyway! – are stomach-turning.

        Central to Polanski’s claim to martyrdom is an HBO documentary, “Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired.” The film suggests that the judge and prosecutors engaged in misconduct, in effect, deceiving him into taking a plea. Perhaps that’s the case. If so, he has a clear option: Stand trial and face the full weight of the law.

        http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/09/30/2009-09-30_polanski_must_face_justice.html

  4. Ruh ro! I need to put up one of those pay pallie thingies. Going to Australia and hugging a Koala bear is on my “bucket list” but that quest is in jeopardy! I need to go NOW!

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2009965355_apasaustraliastressedkoalas.html

    • Hugging a koala is a joy, if they are the tame variety. Did that a couple of times. While I was in Sydney, a male koala attacked a woman in her backyard. She wound up hospitalized with the injuries. If they’re sober, they’re not so cute. 😉 Thankfully they are seldom sober.

      Good luck with the bucket list.

  5. I just checked the comments on Jeralyn’s latest Child-Rapist enabling post.

    I suspect she will be deleting a few comments when she goes online this morning. She’s been enforcing a fairly strict pro-pervert comment policy.

    • something tells me if Polanski had drugged and raped a 13 year old boy he wouldn’t be getting so much support.

      • I don’t think it would make any difference. Why would it?

        • well, think about it… the priest scandal finally came to a head because they were abusing boys… part of that is the homophobia… if the priests had been abusing girls, I’d almost guess we wouldn’t know a darn thing about it…

          I just don’t think the rape of women and girls is taken nearly so seriously as the rape of boys and men… when you think of some creepy old man molesting boys, it is easy to understand that this is pedophilia… when it is a girl, she was asking for it… lying about her age, consenting to it, her mother put her up to it, etc…

          just listen to the reasons Polanski is defended… the attitudes are in the excuses made for him.

          • The defense of Polanski has nothing to do with the gender of the victim or even the crimes he committed.

            Polanski is one of the wealthy and privileged. The elite defend their own and don’t think the rules should apply to them.

            Victor Salva is a movie director that was convicted of molesting a 12 year old boy. He’s still making movies.

          • I agree with you that this is a case of wealth and privilege. But (oddly and unfortunately) I think that homophobia associated with child rape produces more appropriate opinions.

            Perhaps both perspectives are true.

          • also, Salva may still be making movies but I don’t think we would be seeing a parade of celebrities endlessly making excuses for him to keep him out of jail…

            did anyone accuse his victim of “asking for it”?

            I’d bet not…

          • You’re speculating and I don’t want the discussion of Polanski getting sidetracked into “what-ifs?’

            What if the victim was a boy?

            What if the victim was black?

            What if Polanski was a woman?

            What if Polanski was black?

            Everybody with an issue and an axe to grind will be over here trying to hijack our threads.

    • Meh, I stick to BTD’s threads for this reason. Although I was disappointed to see that he doesn’t “get” why this is a big deal to some of us.

      To me, this is twofold,it is about the abuse and exploitation of a child and about a system that allows notable people to escape or receive lesser punishments.

  6. If you haven’t yet, I recommend catching Ken Burns’ documentary “The National Parks: America’s Best Idea” on PBS this week. It is breathtaking and moving and very informative about these wonders of nature and how they came to be protected by our government.

    One man, Steven Mather, a millionaire, bought and donated many of the areas that we now know as National Parks. I did not know that. It was through his efforts that the National Park Service was established.

    Here’s a free preview.
    http://www.amazon.com/Ken-Burns-National-Parks-Americas/dp/B002BO2R4K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1254311653&sr=8-1

  7. Adolf Hitler suicide story questioned after tests reveal skull is a woman’s

    I watched this on the History Channel…it was one of the better History channel pieces in awhile, actually based on history instead of apocalyptic hype.

  8. NYC Tabloids- the Polanski story makes me agree with the NY Post – which has a cleverly titled headline
    http://wp.me/p38IU-2pA

    • I think the NY Post is saying that Hollywood is criticizing the arrest as a perversion of justice.

      Yet another occasion where Hollywood deserves to be called Hollyweird.

  9. Spammy got my last comment…guess he hasn’t had breakfast yet.

  10. What is wrong with people??? This monster abused and killed his 5-week old son. I’m just devastated these last few days over the news on the treatment of children:

    http://www.wgal.com/news/21151954/detail.html
    Murray admitted to dropping baby David to the floor and that he shook the baby to make him stop crying, police said. He also said that he struck the boy’s head on a countertop twice. Murray squeezed his son’s hand and broke it so he could get the child into a car seat, police said.

    • I can’t stand to read stories like that. Again, though, it’s the cycle of violence. I have no doubt that father was abused as a child. When will we wake up and realize that children are our future. It’s up to all of us–whether we have kids or not–to work to reduce child abuse.

    • The Susan Smith story occurred shortly after the death of my third child and the story actually made me physically ill. It seems so fundamentally unfair that people who don’t want children or who can’t put up with the pressure of the responsibility have them while you have a whole entire other subset who can’t have them.

      • We live in a country that still fights against the LGBT community adopting. I was lucky to have a functioning uterus or I would not be a parent. And I know so many who would love to adopt but can’t legally or can’t afford the legal fees.

        • It’s so sad. That poor little 5-week-old baby was murdered instead of having a chance with loving adoptive parents.

  11. The requirement that everyone buy health insurance — a central element to President Obama’s health care plan — is flatly unconstitutional, legal experts argue.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    but, but, but, i thought our pres was a constitutional lawyer LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    • Rivkins’ point is valid it would seem to me. If you can be forced to purchase insurance from a private company, that could be followed up with anything.

      • I’m forced to buy auto insurance if I want to drive.

        • We are not forced to own an auto, drive or live somewhere without public transportation. We are however forced to have “health” if we are alive. I guess it could be argued we are not forced to be alive either. The problem of course is that it is forcing us to give money to corporations because we are alive.

        • In PA, no.
          If you can post a financial responsibility bond.
          Prove that you have an extra $100,000 lying around to pay off any liability from an accident and you don’t need insurance.

      • Indeed. I don’t believe the Constitutional argument would apply to a government-run single-payer plan or even a public option. But requiring purchases from a private insurer is suspect.

        djmm

    • It’s single payer but backwards.

  12. I saw Whoopi’s “we have to be careful about using the word rape, In Europe blah blah” comments when they aired. It made me think of how Whoopi blogged about Palin’s speech at the Republican National Convention, calling her a “very dangerous woman” and saying Palin’s speech reminded her of a Nazi rally.

    Whoopi’s social commentary in these two instances appears to be all about toeing the Hollywood line.

  13. From The Telegraph: Backlash as Whoopi Goldberg says director didn’t commit ‘rape-rape’

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/roman-polanski/6245219/Roman-Polanski-backlash-as-Whoopi-Goldberg-says-director-didnt-commit-rape-rape.html

    • The headline says “backlash” but the story doesn’t mention any.

      • I noticed that. It does mention objections from women’s groups, but not to Whoopie’s comments. That’ll teach me to post a link before reading the story….

      • Yet. It’ll come sooner or later at the box office.

      • Could be the backlash was that only 1 in 30 comments were supportive of Polanski. Not much backlash.

    • Gott to see not all film directors are in his corner.

      The French director Luc Besson refused to sign the petition calling for Polanski’s release.

      He said: “I have a lot of affection for him, he is a man that I like very much but nobody should be above the law. I don’t know the details of this case, but I think that when you don’t show up for trial, you are taking a risk.”

  14. It looks like there are fewer places for Obie to hide:

    Public option fate in Obama’s hands

    Now, squabbling Democrats are looking to the president to be the final arbiter of whether they include the public option in the version of the bill that goes to the Senate floor — and later, whether it will emerge in compromise legislation from a House-Senate conference.

    In the Senate, Obama will work closely with Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who speaks with White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel several times a day. But the final decision rests almost entirely on the president’s shoulders.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27728.html

  15. Opposing view:

    Prospects for Public Option Dim in Senate
    Key Committee Rejects Proposals For Government Health Insurance

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/29/AR2009092902028.html?hpid=topnews

  16. BTW, the Red Sox got in the playoffs because the Rangers lost last night. The Sox have lost five in a row. I don’t think they will go anywhere in the playoffs, unfortunately.

    • It’s easier for underdogs to win in the NFL playoffs

      In football 10 teams make the play-offs and only 1 will go 3-0 or 4-0

      The other 9 will lose their last game. Each game is 60 minutes long and one or two plays can determine the winner.

      In baseball you have to win a series at each level – teams can have bad days or bad luck and come back to win the next day.

  17. Lastly, I am so tired of the whining about Obama. Did Friedman write editorials about the safety of Clinton, or even for that matter, W? It’s so ironic that much of the anger and frustration–ascribed only to the ‘crazies’–is due to the corporate takeover of our society, and their corporate enablers (the media, & the NYTimes being one of the guiltiest parties).

    Where Did ‘We’ Go?
    By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

    Others have already remarked on this analogy, but I want to add my voice because the parallels to Israel then and America today turn my stomach: I have no problem with any of the substantive criticism of President Obama from the right or left. But something very dangerous is happening. Criticism from the far right has begun tipping over into delegitimation and creating the same kind of climate here that existed in Israel on the eve of the Rabin assassination.

    Again, hack away at the man’s policies and even his character all you want. I know politics is a tough business. But if we destroy the legitimacy of another president to lead or to pull the country together for what most Americans want most right now — nation-building at home — we are in serious trouble. We can’t go 24 years without a legitimate president — not without being swamped by the problems that we will end up postponing because we can’t address them rationally.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/opinion/30friedman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

    • Sounds like he’s counting Big Dawg’s eight years as eight years of “Illegitimacy.”

      Idiot.

  18. Tell us something we don’t know:

  19. BTD:

    Why don’t I discuss the Polanski case? Mostly because I do not know enough about it. Second, because even if I did, I doubt I would have much worth saying. Third, it does not strike me as an important public issue. It’s not like however Polanski is treated here is going to affect public policy. He is sui generis. Fourth, I love Polanski’s films and I would rather not think about how I feel about how his art may affect my views on this issue. Lastly, celebrity justice stories have never interested me.

    He forgot: “If I say what I really think Jeralyn will ban my ass too.”

    • meh

    • BTD:

      Third, it does not strike me as an important public issue.

      Two of the Issues involved:

      1. Violence against women and children

      2. Differential treatment of people in the justice system based on wealth and fame.

      I can see why BTD thinks those are unimportant issues–not!

      The guy is a lawyer too. I guess his fight against sexism only goes so far–it didn’t keep him from supporting Obama and it doesn’t convince him to fight against the minimization of child rape.

      • Yep, only two of the worst social problems ingrained in our society. No need for us to fix those. They are completely irrelevant and not worth our time. Just imagine a world without both of those things. Goodness, that would be a sad and sorry place indeed. (sarcasm)

  20. Well, he’s not required to comment on it. And I understand his reticence. Also I doubt Jeralyn would ban him for it.

    I’ve had my issues with Jeralyn, especially after she drank the Obama Kool-Aid, but one thing I give her props for in the Polanski discussion is that she’s not letting people comment unless they’ve read the documents (or part of the documents) that she’s posted — Polanski’s motion to dismiss, based on procedural misconduct (an allegation on which both the defense AND prosecution lawyers have agreed) and the extremely powerful victim’s statement. It’s obvious from the comments who has read them and who hasn’t , and she’s right to enforce a policy that you shouldn’t comment unless they’ve actually read the documents under question. I think that’s perfectly legitimate. (As an example, at an I/P blog I visit, one of the commenters keeps waxing on about the Goldstone report while admitting he hasn’t read it, not even the excerpts that every I/P blog has helpfully posted. He hasn’t been banned but his comments get zero respect or validation.)

    • Did she post the victim’s grand jury testimony?

      I don’t recall seeing that linked at TL

    • Um…she’s deleting any comment that states the truth of what Polanski did.

      • It’s really interesting to watch how this discussion is bringing out other sides to some commenters.

    • You are obviously ignorant of the serious effects of child sexual abuse–either that or you just don’t care. But what happens to children and how it affects their development should be important to everyone.

      Your comments on this issue reveal a great deal about you, DO.

      • Whoa, that comment is out of line and very unfair.

        • Is that so? Then myiq can edit it. I stated my opinion and I meant it. Since when are you the arbiter of commenting rules anyway?

          • Yes, it’s so. Just because DO disagrees with you regarding how Jeralyn at TL is handling one aspect of the isssue (editing comments) and agrees with BTD’s general reticence in posting about it at all and, previously, thought that the victims current wishes should be given the most weight in the matter (which I disagree with) therefore, he is “….obviously ignorant of the serious effects of child sexual abuse–either that or you just don’t care. “?

            That’s ridiculous. You are getting carried away here and I don’t need to be a arbiter of commenting rules to see that.

          • I was referring back to several comments that DO has made on this issue. He made it very clear that he did not think the rape of a 13-year-old girl was important to justify the perpetrator having to face up to his crime. I posted the same comment in the previous thread. I posted it because I am an administrator here, and DO is getting close to the point where *I* will decide to act in my role as administrator.

          • Do you let other people set the rules on your blog, if you have one?

          • If DO has a problem with the comment then DO can complain.

          • Thank you, myiq. I have to admit that as someone who has actually dealt with the aftereffects of child abuse and who has seen the effects in other real people (male and female) and who has studied child development, I may tend to get a little angry when I see people minimizing what I know from experience is a horrible crime.

    • I do not think you have to have read the details of the RP case to take a clear stand on the sexual abuse of a 13 year old child. The emotional damage of such abuse is profound and the long term consequences are well known. Our mental health providers and our prisons are the keepers of too many damaged “survivors” not to be clear and straightforward about this. What happened in the courts; what happened in RP’s artistic life are really irrelevant to the basic fact and reality of what happened in that bedroom.

      • Look at Mckensie(?) Phillips.

        • Why? She’s not a credible source even for the events in her own life. This is her second round of selling the sorry details of her life. She gets lots of mileage, it seems. I’m wondering what her third story will be when the money from this book runs out.

  21. I bet Obama is calling for these regulatory issues because there’s gonna be a need for more bailouts. He won’t be able to get them without also calling for better regulation and oversight of the banks that was skipped the first time

  22. I watched the Sen. Finance Committee deliberations last night on c-span. Rockefeller and Shumer were so clear and informed on what is really going on with these health care machinations. The New Democrats have really given me pause about where my political heart is. Watching these two men fight for the American people and focus on how desperate we all are to rein in health care costs and insurance company profits was heartening for this old Dem. Listening to the staff reports on the mark of the Sen. Finance committee bill was also encouraging—how these people could possibly hear those carefully worded responses of the staff trying to be clear and objective about the various facets of what is being proposed—w/o screaming something like “this is a complete sell out of the American people to big insurance and big pharma”—-that takes some discipline that I don’t have.

  23. http://www.gallup.com/poll/123332/Many-U.S.-See-Health-Insurance-Personal-Responsibility.aspx

    This was from Hot Air.
    What started out as a good idea, seems to be crashing. I think it is a bait and switch deal. ” see backtrack wanted to help you get healthcare but those nasty people just would not let him. Then his owners continue to price gouge at their hearts content.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  24. Very brief exerpt from Polanski victim’s deposition:

    Samantha Geimer, who was 13 when Roman Polanski sexually assaulted her at the home of Jack Nicholson, provided chilling testimony about what happened in court documents reviewed by The Times’ Steve Lopez.

    In the deposition, Geimer repeatedly said she was afraid of the director. She also said she and the director got drunk and that she asked to go home.

    Here is a narrative of one part of the deposition:

    He insisted, she testified, and so she moved closer and he put his hands around her waist. She told him she had asthma and wanted to get out, and she did. She said he followed her into the bathroom, where she told him, “I have to go home now.”

    Q: What did Mr. Polanski say?

    A: He told me to go in the other room and lie down.

    She testified that she was afraid and sat on the couch in the bedroom.

    Q: What were you afraid of?

    A: Him.

    She testified that Polanski sat down next to her and said she’d feel better. She repeated that she had to go home.

    Q: What happened then?

    A: He reached over and he kissed me. And I was telling him, “No,” you know, “Keep away.” But I was kind of afraid of him because there was no one else there.

    She testified that he put his mouth on her vagina.

    “I was ready to cry,” she said. “I was kind of — I was going, ‘No. Come on. Stop it.’ But I was afraid.”

    She said he then pulled off her panties.

  25. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8281544.stm

    For all who like gadgets and understand tech stuff.
    and that is not me.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  26. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-ap-oly-2016-bids,0,2159168.story

    Will the Chicago way work internationally? What is the over/under on who gets the games?

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  27. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8282035.stm

    A very serious problem in Australia. What will happen now?

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  28. Here’s a very enlightening story from the LA Times today on the Polanski case:

    After the rape, Polanski told the victim,

    “Oh, don’t tell your mother about this. It’s our little secret.”

    Could there be anything more typical of pedophile behavior?

    • More from author Steve Lopez, who read the entire grand jury testimony and other court papers:

      I’m reading this in the district attorney’s office at the Los Angeles County Criminal Courts Building, digging through the Polanski file to refresh my memory of the infamous case, and my blood pressure is rising.

      Is it because I’m the parent of a girl?

      Maybe that’s part of it.

      But I wish the renowned legal scholars Harvey Weinstein and Debra Winger, to name just two of Polanski’s defenders, were here with me now. I’d like to invite Martin Scorsese, as well, along with David Lynch, who have put their names on a petition calling for Polanski to be freed immediately.

      What, because he won an Oscar? Would they speak up for a sex offender who hadn’t?

      To hear these people tell it, you’d think Polanski was the victim rather than the teenager.

      And then there’s Woody Allen, who has signed the petition too.

      Woody Allen?

      You’d think that after marrying his longtime girlfriend’s adopted daughter, he’d have the good sense to remain silent. But at least Soon-Yi Previn was a consenting adult.

    • good article!

  29. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/by-2040-you-will-be-able-to-upload-your-brain-1792555.html

    Captain Spalding’s brain will be able to go on forever!!!!!!
    Is the world ready for this?

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  30. Nice piece on “Inside the ‘Bubble'” by the new BBC correspondent to the WH.

    I’ve been inside the “Bubble”, the bubble that bobs behind the “Beast”, floats after Potus. Potus is, of course, President of the United States, the “Beast” his armoured car, and the “Bubble” contains the journalists who are following him.

    Many live much of their lives within the bubble but for me this is a first. I suppose I’ve been bubbled with Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, but we don’t use that term at home, and it’s not quite the same enclosed experience.

    The bubble takes many guises.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/09/inside_the_bubble.html

  31. “I was referring back to several comments that DO has made on this issue. He made it very clear that he did not think the rape of a 13-year-old girl was important to justify the perpetrator having to face up to his crime. I posted the same comment in the previous thread. I posted it because I am an administrator here, and DO is getting close to the point where *I* will decide to act in my role as administrator.”

    Really? Imo, what you claim he supposedly made clear is simply the reptition of your previous misinterpretation of his limited comments I’ve read so far. Btw, I don’t think he has made “several” comments and the threat to act against him in your administrator capacity (for what?) is very suspect bullying.

    “bostonboomer, on September 30th, 2009 at 11:55 am Said:
    Do you let other people set the rules on your blog, if you have one?”

    What? I’m not attempting to set any the rules here or elsewhere and whether I have a blog or not (not) is irrelevant.

    “myiq2xu, on September 30th, 2009 at 11:56 am Said:
    If DO has a problem with the comment then DO can complain.”

    Oh c’mon, since when can’t people comment on others comments? Well, if that’s the way you folks want to play it by closing and pulling rank, knock yourselves out. The funny thing is that I agree with you all concerning Polanski. I just think saying that someone who disgrees on the margins is “….obviously ignorant of the serious effects of child sexual abuse–either that or you just don’t care. “ is a somewhat absurd attack. But hey, it’s your house, do what you will.

    • I’m not attempting to set any the rules here

      Actually you are – you’re trying to tell us how we should behave on our own blog.

      But hey, it’s your house, do what you will

      We intend to. If you want to stick around then you should direct your comments at the issues being discussed and mind your own business as far as how we choose to conduct ourselves.

      You’ve managed to piss off two administrators already. Dakinikat is around if you want to go for the trifecta.

      Have you ever heard of a game called “This way to the egress?”

      • What!? That’s just petulant nonsense. I’m amazed at your stance is in this instance. Especailly considering that I agree with you all about the Polanski thing but I guess “defense mode” is overriding that factor.

        “Actually you are – you’re trying to tell us how we should behave on our own blog.”

        So, an admin bascially calls a poster an aplogist for child rape and I point out that, in this particluar instance, I think that’s out of line and unfair (how horrible of me) so that means “I’m trying to tell you how you all should behave on your own blog”? Preposterous.

        “We intend to. If you want to stick around then you should direct your comments at the issues being discussed and mind your own business as far as how we choose to conduct ourselves.”

        Right. Unfairly attacking a poster is okay but commenting about that unfair attack is off limits. Got it. Mind my own business? Too funny. This may be your house but it’s not literally your house. If you want a conversation and no comments (negative I guess) about your comments or how you choose to conduct yourselves here, running a publically available blog and posting dubious comments about some of the posters, is probably not the best way to go about it.

        “You’ve managed to piss off two administrators already. Dakinikat is around if you want to go for the trifecta.”

        I guess that’s suppose to mean something to me but, it doesn’t.

        “Have you ever heard of a game called “This way to the egress?”

        No, but okay, here’s your …. Happy? You can stop baiting me now. I have nothing more to say about it. You win. Enjoy!

    • He has ranted a few times now about the “hysteria” over child sexual abuse and the mistreatment of pedophiles–including back when we were discussing the Garrido case. I’m offended by that. If you don’t like it, I guess you’ll just have to deal with it.

  32. “He made it very clear that he did not think the rape of a 13-year-old girl was important to justify the perpetrator having to face up to his crime. ”

    Show me where I made this “very clear.” Show me where I stated that the rape of a 13-year-old girl was unimportant.

    My comments only have to do with the way Jeralyn has conducted her discussion of this affair, and with the actual legal process involved in Polanski’s case. Show me where that makes me an apologist for child rape, or retract your own comment.

    • DO:

      I interpreted this comment to indicate that you do not think it’s important to protect children from sexual abuse, which you consider “hysteria.” I happen to have actual experience with child sexual abuse and its consequences. It’s an epidemic in this country and it’s not hysterical to be concerned about it. Yes, a 76 year old pedophile is still a danger to children. As I said you are showing your ignorance of the issue.

      I agree with the Reclusive on this one: The victim should have the final say in this matter. Treating her like a child who doesn’t know her own mind or have her own agency just piles insult onto injury.

      More generally, I have a deep, deep problem with most of our “anti-pedophile” laws, which seem to arise out of–and answer to–a hysterical sense of vengeance. I lived through the daycare-abuse witch hunts of the 80s and I fear we are going back there.

      And more specifically, how on earth is Roman Polanski a threat to anyone on the planet? I smell vengeance here, not justice.

      You repeated your comment about sex abuse hysteria again this morning, and that is what set me off.

  33. I’m not going to comment any further on this subject, btw, because it is one that brings out a lot of ugly rhetoric. No wonder BTD decided to avoid it. My last comment stands. Prove your ugly accusation or drop it.

  34. Sarah Palin’s book–#1 on B & N and Amazon .

  35. “Sure – a shot of Patron would hit the spot.”

    Gold or silver? Ah what the hey, have one of each. I’m a Herradura man nyself.

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