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Cambridge Police May Release Tapes of 911 Call and Police Transmissions During Prof. Henry Louis Gates’ Arrest

From The Boston Herald:

Mounting pressure to get to the bottom of the controversial arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. is centering on recorded police tapes that may offer a dose of reality amid all the media and political noise.

Cambridge police brass and lawyers are weighing making the tapes public, which could include the 911 call reporting a break-in at Gates’ home and radio transmissions by the cop who busted him July 16 for disorderly conduct.

“It’s powerful evidence because the (people involved) have not had a chance to reflect and you are getting their state of mind captured on tape,” said former prosecutor and New York City police officer Eugene O’Donnell, who is now a lecturer at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in Manhattan.

Cambridge Police Commissioner Robert Haas said last night he has asked City Solicitor Donald Drisdell to review the 911 tape, which has the potential to either bolster or impugn Gates’ stance that he is a blameless victim of racial profiling at his own home.

Further, Sgt. James Crowley noted in his report that he radioed police headquarters to let them know he was with the person who appeared to be the home’s lawful resident, but who was “very uncooperative.”

I’m not sure how I feel about this. I’d love to hear opinions from Myiq2xi and MABlue though. I hate to see this situation continue to escalate, but at the same time I don’t blame the Cambridge police for wanting to defend themselves. It could be helpful to the public discussion if we knew more about what really happened. Would the transmissions have caught the interaction inside Gates’ house though.

I’ll post more information if and when I get it.

UPDATE: From WMCB in comments: quotes from a witness

Witness: Gates ‘Agitated’ When Arrested At Home

Bill Carter, the man who snapped a photograph of Gates being led away in handcuffs, said police officers were calm and that Gates was “slightly out of control” and “agitated” when he was arrested.

“The officers around kind of calmed him down,” Carter said. “I heard him yelling — Mr. Gates yelling. I didn’t hear anything that he was saying so I couldn’t say that he was belligerent.”

UPDATE 2: Statement from President of Harvard University

“I am gratified that the charges against Professor Gates have been dropped and that all parties involved have recognized and reaffirmed his strong reputation and character. I feel privileged to consider Skip not just an esteemed colleague, but a friend. I have been in regular communication with him since Thursday and I was profoundly saddened to hear him describe what he experienced. I continue to be deeply troubled by the incident.

Legacies of racial injustice remain an unfortunate and painful part of the American experience, and inform our views, our actions, and their consequences. As President Obama has remarked, ours is an imperfect union, and while perfect justice may always elude us, we can and must do better.”

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  1. After listening to Crowley’s interview on WEEI (posted in the Morning links), I’ve come around to agreeing with myiq that Crowley was following procedure. While the police have admitted the arrest was unfortunate, it seems to me that Crowley finally decided to arrest Gates because he didn’t see any other way to end the confrontation.

    It would be great if the police investigation helps them come up with better ways to handle situations like this than an arrest–perhaps by having someone available who is a trained negotiater? I’ll defer to those who are more knowledgeable about police procedures than I am.

    • Since when do we need special negotiators for out of control racists, Gates has a huge chip on his shoulder and racist attitude. Obama showed his true colors!

  2. Would the transmissions have caught the interaction inside Gates’ house though.
    From the news stories, the police officer(s) had “open mikes” on their radios and the conversations were recorded.

  3. Just Google “Police Officer Shot”, read some of the entries, then look at Sgt. Crowley’s actions toward a B&E suspect that turned belligerent.

    • If you know any cops ask them about responding to domestic violence calls.

      • I don’t have to ask, I know it is the most dangerous call second only to the victim. In one recent story I read, the man gripped a policeman so hard with his bare hands that he tore of the muscle in his leg. No joke, it is a true story, and the policeman didn’t even have time to react and required surgery and it took several police to get him under control and they never used their guns to shoot him…which shows a lot of control.

        The man must have been rabid with rage, as I can’t think of anyone being able to tear apart a human beings leg with their bare hands.

    • iirc – the ID card Gates gave Crowley – wasn’t a driver’s license but a Harvard ID card.
      Perhaps raising more suspicion from Crowley?

      If Crowley were Black, would we be having this discussion? or would we never hear about an incident where Gates thanked the cops for their diligence – especially considering his home (and others in the neighborhood) had recently been burglarized.

      Also, supposedly the 911 caller wasn’t a neighbor, but a Harvard employee driving through the neighborhood.

      • But “possibly racist neighbor” sells more advertising than passing motorist or pedestrian.
        But then this is what happens when you get “infotainment” as journalism.
        Why do you think all those supermarket check out line tabloids are going belly up?
        They can’t compete with cable news.

  4. Racial profiling is real and wrong – but this wasn’t one of those times except in the minds of Gates and Obama who are eager to bring needed attention to it.

    • I just hope this episode doesn’t hurt efforts to end racial profiling.

      • I’m with ya!

      • But it will. Gates, Obama, Sharpton, Jackson…these “activists” and “scholars” do nothing to help everyday African-Americans and other minorities (as well as poor whites) who face a tremendous amount of discrimination and disadvantages from more than just police officers. They play the race card so much that eventually it was going to blow up in their faces. This only harms the African-American community. They should be more vocal when it really counts, not only when it gets them media attention, book deals, or political office.

    • Police whistle racism?
      Funny, how often the post racial president uses that card.

    • Being eager to bring attention to an issue is not the same thing as seizing upon any opportunity, no matter how inappropriate and potentially harmful, to further an agenda. It’s very possible that the question in the presser the other night re the Gates incident was a plant (from the ever obliging Lynn Sweet), and if so, this needs to be publicized. Obama’s remark was just plain stupid and he needs to be brought to account for his never ending games.

      • His remark was very inappropriate for POTUS. He really diminished himself.

        • He exposed who he is, and that’s the scary part. He never should have opened his mouth on the subject–even if he had all the facts. Injecting himself into a local matter was inappropriate. The irony is that he’s always saying “it’s not about me.” For him EVERYTHING is about him.

      • Disclosure: my views on this matter are almost certainly influenced by having lived so long in a city (New Orleans) where race and racism seemed to be a constant subtext, even in the most egregiously inapplicable situations. Though I greatly miss the place and always will, I’m relieved to be out of the race as perpetual prism dynamic. The whole thing just wore me down like water on stone. It’s almost as if when I walked out the front door, I felt required to mentally don my my Okay, So I’m Not Black Suit. I experienced plenty of hostility over the years because of race. It doesn’t work to give all blacks a perpetual blanket pardon because of past and very real sins against them. There’s such a thing as recognizing the present and working from there.

        • What you say makes a lot of sense to me, Kat5.

        • Miami is very similar, although we have a two-front debate: not black, not hispanic.

        • Kat5 – I have to nod in agreement. I am feeling very much like you.

        • I understand your point Kat5. But think about all the times a black person has to don the Okay, So I’m Not White suit. Imagine how worn out they must feel.

          As an ethnically ambiguous white person I’ve always felt completely outside the ethnic classification box (I wear the Okay So You Don’t Know Where I’m From suit). It’s hit or miss how people will react to me in a racially charged environment. But I know how exhausting it can be to have to wear that damn suit every single day.

          • It can be – and is – just as exhausting to have don the White suit day after day, for years on end. As much I loved the unique cultural richness of New Orleans, the near constant awareness of race and racial tensions became extremely wearing. My desire to just be, with no regard to ethnicity, became stronger and stronger.

          • One of the things I love about where I live, San Antonio TX, is that there is very little racial tension. It exists, in pockets, mostly along hispanic-white lines since the black population is smaller, but it is a very VERY small amount, and does not permeate the way it has in other places I’ve lived.

            The white vs hispanic tension in, say, LA is palpable, as are black/white tensions in other cities.

            San Antonio, for some reason, seems to be a place where people mostly get along, and don’t treat race as any big deal. It was a little surprising to me when I moved here. Some have said its partly because we are such a huge military town, with 4 major bases of various branches. Military people tend to have a higher number of inter-racial marriages and relationships than the general population (a fact a lot of people don’t realize.)

            San Antonio also has one of the highest numbers of same-sex couple adoptions in the country, despite its lack of a big visible political gay community. The gay couples here seem to just go about their business being families, and no one cares.

            It’s been kind of odd, actually, for me, moving to a place where everything racial or minority is not politicized to the hilt. But I like it!

          • I think you’ve just identified one of the main reasons my husband and I have really taken a liking to San Antonio. We frequently head down there on Sundays to wander around, visit older neighborhoods and parks and museums and missions, or just sit in the sunken plaza on the Riverwalk and people watch. The city has a large Hispanic population, and we’ve never encountered the least bit of tension or unfriendliness because of our gringo status. We wouldn’t mind living there at all.

          • Kat, we also have, at various times, either a solid half female city council, or some years even a MAJORITY female city council.

            I like that. 🙂

      • Lynn Sweet declares she hadn’t published anything about the incident and had no advance notice that Obama would call on her.

        • I hope that is true.

        • She did have advance notice that she was going to be called upon. Obama’s people selected her in advance as they are doing ever so often now.

          This is what she says:
          “I got a call from the White House press office about 6:30 p.m. confirming I was indeed going to show up at the 8 p.m. press conference. I was told I “may” get a question from the president. No one asked me — directly or indirectly — about what I may be asking. No one from the White House tried to plant any question.”

          Check it out

    • Bring the attention to the subject from this direction and the result will be a resounding backfire.

      Most people willingly listen to reasonable argument, but this event brought out the worst in people. Gates got to be a victim because he’s got wealth and position. Crowley was painted as a rogue cop hiding behind his role as diversity instructor to teach other cops how to profile without being caught!

      I’ve seen a side of mean in people around the blogs that is really distressing.

  5. Cambridge police live press conference at noon.

  6. If, Indeed, the hootie, tootie, professor from Harvard was conducting himself as a typical, composed resident, comfortably eye-to-eye with his professional counterpart sworn to protect and secure him, the officer would have helped him with the maintenance issue, brought him up to speed on the break-in reported during his absence, and agreed that everything was under control, despite the 911 Call to the contrary. Had the upscale professional conducted himself as such, keeping HIMSELF under control, no action by the officer would have been forced. To bring up the history of race as a catylist for a law suit is disengenuous.

    • Maybe and maybe not. I’m a genteel, soft-spoken white lady and I’ve had encounters with police officers who were horrible to me.

      No officer is entitled to refuse to provide his badge number to a citizen. How else do you know that you’re talking to a real policeman and not an impostor?

      I’ve been sorely tempted on a couple of occasions to tell a policeman to fuck himself. I didn’t do it only because I wasn’t really sure whether I could get arrested for it. But surely we are allowed to be angry and raise our voices to them without getting carted off. Arresting people for disorderly conduct to punish them for being rude or disrespectful is an abuse of authority.

      The only real issue I can see in this whole story is what the question was that the police asked that Gates refused to answer, and whether they had a right to require that he do so.

      • The police officer never refused to provide his name or badge number. He gave him that information 2 or 3 times, but Gates was so busy yelling things about Crowley’s momma that he didn’t hear it.

        THAT is when the police officer turned and left the house, with Gates following out on the porch, screaming the whole time , for audience watching.

        Are cultured, educated Harvard professors allowed to scream things about other people’s mommas?

        Do you think Harvard should reprimand him? They OWN the property he lives in.

        • AFAIK that hasn’t been shown one way or the other. The audio tapes may show that Crowley did or didn’t reply with his info and I assume that’s why we’re waiting to see if they’re released. What has been confirmed by at least another officer is that Gates did at least once refuse to show ID.

  7. Having real actual information made public always seems to me to be the best approach. Transparency and facts are seldom a bad thing and they are always reality. Let the people know; let them decide.

    What I see in the behavior of Gates, Sharpton et al is the carried anger and hurt of the past that in my view sometimes overwhelms their judgement. It is why that race card thing comes out and those of us not twisted by those AA experiences go—WTF–where is that coming from, this guy is over the top and losing it. That carried anger and hurt from the past is just as much a real race issue as the fact that race profiling does still exist.

    • I think it’s understandable that Gates responded emotionally. I don’t like the way he has behaved in his media interviews though. But I wouldn’t go so far as to compare him with Al Sharpton yet.

    • It’s quite possible that Gates’s response was prompted by a sense of status which got transmuted into a racial complaint with no basis.

  8. There are several witnesses surfacing that are saying that Gates was indeed completely angry and yelling from the start.

    One was quoted in the Boston Herald as saying, “when police asked him for ID, Gates started yelling, “I’m a Harvard professor . . . You believe white women over black men.”

    Bill Carter, the man who snapped a photograph of Gates being led away in handcuffs, said police officers were calm and that Gates was “slightly out of control” and “agitated” when he was arrested. “The officers around kind of calmed him down,” Carter said. “I heard him yelling — Mr. Gates yelling. I didn’t hear anything that he was saying so I couldn’t say that he was belligerent.”

    Still, was there a better way to handle it than arresting him? I think so. But the idea that Gates was just as cooperative as can be, and did not throw any racism accusations until after the cops behaved inappropriately is looking less and less likely. It’s looking like Gates decided from the moment they showed up that some “white woman” had profiled him, and so responded with increasing anger filtered through that assumption from the start.

    I wish it could have been handled better, without an arrest. But I wasn’t there, and I’ve read several accounts from neighbors, etc, that say the cops were doing their best to remain calm, and to calm Gates down, and defuse the incident while still doing their job of investigating a potential crime.

    But if you’ve ever been really angry at what you perceive as a personal injustice, you probably know that sometimes someone telling you to “calm down” often just infuriates you further. Ask my husband – LOL!

    Just my personal opinion, that may change and evolve, but I think that the good man Gates, from the very beginning, in a split-second judgement that maybe stemmed from being tired and jet-lagged, and his admittedly vast knowledge of very genuine racial profiling, decided that this was one of those cases. From that point, anything the cop did was only going to make him angrier.

    And I think that a good cop, who actually taught racial profiling for the dept, and by all accounts did his utmost professionally to combat it, and had been unfairly slammed as “racist” in the past for trying and failing to save the life of a black man – got very very frustrated indeed with some guy yelling in his face and accusing and “profiling” him as a racist.

    The encounter polarized from there, to the benefit of pretty much no one but the media circus. Just my opinion, take it for what it’s worth.

    • WMCB,

      Do you have links to the stories? I’d love to add them to the post.

      • And BTW, I have a problem with every racial (and other) encounters in this country having to boil down to and polarize along the lines of right or wrong, good guy or bad guy.

        From what I’m seeing, you have two basically decent human beings here, who both reacted very humanly to what they FELT was a deep and unfair personal and professional insult leveled by the other

        But the media is never going to say that. It will remain dueling caricatures, and PICK A SIDE, dammit.

        • I agree totally, and thanks for the links!

        • Bingo. You’ve got that right. If the media got that and talked about it, we would all be the better for it. I’m not holding my breath because that would not get the same ratings as a race war would get. Same goes for the president: solving these problems will not get him any points in his mind, distracting, excusing, blaming, etc. is what he’s all about. And so it goes.

          • Not to toot my own horn, but wouldn’t it be nice if our “post-racial” president who wants to heal these wounds would have said something along the lines of what I said above?

          • Well, Obama and Obots certainly used the media to rachet up ratings based on “race wars” during the primary.
            Karma! – and I hope Hillary and Bill are laughing today.

          • Toot away WMCB. And yes, it would have been nice. Making things like this better when you have the stage as a president does is sort of the least I expect.

            Love is all you need. I think it’s time to have a big massive orgy to get together and get over ourselves. 🙂

    • “You believe white women over black men.”

      Oh, geez. “Bros before hos.”


      Racism *and* misogyny. I am rapidly losing my initial impression that there was enough blame to go around for everyone to have an equal share. Gates is sounding more and more like he deserves a double helping.

      • That is one of the things that has turned me off in Gates statements. He talks about what happens to “black men” but never mentions “black women” or women in general.

        • Spammy got me, trying again:

          Gates has now backed himself into a corner in the press, and I do not like how he’s handling it NOW, egged on by the Sharptons of the world, but I do understand his initial gut reaction, even if it was wholly mistaken.

          I understand it in the same way that I understand a woman who rips the head off of her current boyfriend, when he makes an innocuous comment that painfully reminds her of some very bad emotional history that really has nothing to do with him. I’m not saying it’s RIGHT, I’m just saying I understand WHY.

          • Exactly!
            and “woman and boyfriend” is a good example of Gates’ and Obama’s misdirected anger.
            Hopefully, Obama can redirect the discussion to REAL egregious racial profiling.

          • Yes, me too. I seem to be saying that to you a lot lately, WMCB.

    • I agree with many parts of what you described could have been what motivated Gates to act as he appears to have, (if the current reports are true) though I have to disagree that this boils down to just a “split second” judgment he made since he has been riding the media circuit recently and was the one that came out to the media after a resolution had already been agreed to. I don’t see him as a good man where only the media circus benefited, if he’s been trying to cash in on this incident. From what I’ve seen of the interviews of him talking about his new documentary I think this could be an additional motivation for him, to which he should be judged accordingly.

      • I elaborated upthread that I have a serious problem with his behavior NOW, as opposed to the initial incident.

        • Yes, but IMO you appear to be painting him as a victim of others and I think he’s too intelligent of a man to let that explain his current actions.

          • No, I said he has backed HIMSELF into a corner, but is being egged on in that stupidity by the usual cast of others.

          • Intelligence does not often have a lot to do with purely emotional reactions and stubbornness. I know some pretty high IQ’s who can be amazingly blind and fact-averse.

          • Ok, well perhaps we do see this the same. At this point I’m more concerned with what could appear to be an attempt by Gates to manipulate this situation for his own financial gain, which no one but himself would be responsible for if true, than what happened on the 16th of July.

    • WMCB: yours is the best assessment so far.

  9. Here is something I wonder about. I think I heard that Gates was accompanied by another person; they both had back packs on and were returning from an overseas trip. If Gates was returning from overseas, he would have had both his driver’s license and his passport on his person somewhere. That would surely have resolved the identity issue and his right to be where he was. Plus, he would surely know his neighbors—looks like a very nice house and a quiet, peaceful upscale neighborhood.

    • The person with Gates was a driver who brought him home from the airport. From what I can tell, Gates did provide his ID ASAP. But it appears he may also have been yelling at Crowley from the very start, which would make everything more difficult and confusing for all concerned.

    • I lived on Ware Street in the late ’60s. I wouldn’t call it an upscale neighborhood, although all housing is very expensive in Cambridge. Ware Street is lined by large apartment houses and it is about 1-2 blocks from Harvard yard. I’d call it middle-class, not upscale. It’s not by any means the best neighborhood in Cambridge.

    • From what I can tell, by the time Crowley had gotten to the scene Gates had already been inside through the back and had put his wallet and other things if I remember correctly in the kitchen, so he had to retrieve them when Crowley asked him for them. It depends on who you believe as to how many times Gates was requested to provide ID and what form he provided.

      The driver had already left since Gates was in him home.

      • “Depends on who you believe.”

        Yes, except that the Hispanic officer and the Black officer who were with Crowley , back up his version of what happened and what was said.
        So do several of the neighbors.

        Gates has had no one….not even anyone who could hear the conversations, back up his version.

  10. Fox News is covering the Cambridge press conference.

    • CNN too!

      • Thanks. They didn’t have it on when I checked.

        • Stick with Fox, bb.

          Black news anchor on CNN is hollering about how both sides need to take a step back.
          Headache waiting to happen.

          Barack Obama, the post-racial candidate, incites a race war.

  11. People seem to be talking about the cop and his training in racial profiling so he had the “expertise” to handle the situation properly—supposedly and maybe did not. But what about Gates. He is supposed to be some Harvard respected scholar in racial history and issues—shouldn’t he as an elite Harvard professor and learned man have some responsibility for acting in a responsible way? I think it would even be fair to say that Gates ought to have acted more appropriately than the cop.

    • Gates wasn’t on the job. He was in his home. He was not required to act professionally or even cordially. Crowley was on the job. And, ironically given his “expertise,” showed that he could not defuse a racial situation. Worse, he escalated it by arresting Gates.

      • Does Gates live in this country? Does he benefit from the protection of civilization provided by people who are willing to die to protect him from violent criminals?

        There is an unwritten contract in this country that does provide that Gates is required to act in a civil manner unless he has a legitimate reason to do otherwise. Police officers are citizens, too.

        Btw, some situations cannot be defused because the parties don’t respond to calming techniques. The fact that Gates is making unsupported claims of racial profiling seems to indicate that he might have been just that type of person.

        • If the man wants to accuse someone, even a cop, in his own home of racial profiling that’s his business. I have plenty of unpopular opinions and police don’t have a right to haul my a$$ in because they think I’m uppity and need to STFU. Gates was not a physical threat to Crowley who seems to have escaped his confrontation with a middle-aged, handicapped professor with only a bruised ego. Crowley needs to own up to his lapse in judgment. And talk about the lady doth protest too much, maybe he should also take a long deep look at his own heart.

          • Crowley had no lapse in judgement.

            Gates lost control, and behaved chidlishly. He was loud and uncooperative from the get-go.

            Had he cooperated calmly, like a grownup, none of it would have happened.

            Maybe Gates should take long deep look at HIS heart.

          • If behaving childishly is a crime, I wish someone would come arrest my neighbor’s kid. I can’t quite find that in the criminal code, though.

        • Advisable though it may be, I know of no law, written or otherwise, that requires one to be polite to the police or face arrest.

      • exactly!

      • That to me is just malarky GXM. I am a professional. I do not become an emotional vesuvius just because I am in my home—if anything, I try to call upon my professional training when if I find myself in a highly charged situation. And his story does not add up anyway. Supposedly he was returning from an overseas trip and trying to get the front door open which was stuck. He would have had his passport and driver’s license on him. Even if Crowley and company got there after he had undone the lock and set is things in—ID should have been there.

        To me the very fact that Gates is spinning this with the media and his presidential connection tell me the man is about making a scene, not about solving a problem.

        • Well said. Thank you.

        • Well, I guess we differ. I try to maintain my professionalism at work and at home I let my hair down. We aren’t all cut from the same cloth. I don’t get to tell you how to comport yourself at home and you don’t get to tell me. BUT we damn well have a say in how police officers conduct themselves when they are on the job.

          As I understand it, Gates’ explained that he had entered the house through the back door (which was not jammed). That’s why his stuff was still in the kitchen.

        • According to the stories I’ve read, as well as the police report, Gates went around to the back of the house, let himself in, and set his things down. Then he went to the front door and tried to open it. It was still jammed, and so he asked the driver to force it open. When Crowley arrived, the driver had left, and Gates was still standing just inside the front door. His IDs were on the kitchen table, so he walked back to get them and Crowley followed.

  12. The Cambridge PD will present their side in a professional manner releasing as much information as allowed given ongoing investigations and it won’t make a bit of difference.
    The media will do their usual kabuki to gin up ratings and ad dollars.

    • Do you live in Cambridge or the surrounding area? If so, you should know that the Cambridge PD does NOT always act in a professional manner.

      I do live here and have for more than 40 years.

  13. Why did Gates assume that the person placing the 911 call was white and a woman?

    • Maybe he knew that his closest neighbor was a white woman, and erroneously assumed it was she who called? It wasn’t, it was a passerby.

      • Sheez, they just interviewed the other officer and he was very disappointed about Gates carrying on about ” A white woman calls…” …good grief, this is going to get worse before it gets better. Also, Gates is still threatening to sue?!? So, are they going to throw beer at each other at the white house?

    • The woman was present at the scene. I don’t know when Gates made this remark though.

  14. Obama sure pissed off the cops-bravo!

    The hope and change just keeps on coming.

    This won’t bode well for Deval Patrick either. How sad 🙂

  15. thanks, BB – I posted this comment below but as usual I was late to the party –
    He undoubedly wouldn’t have been arrested if he hadn’t followed Crowley out onto the porch and continued to berate him.

    It is my understanding that the police were all satisfied that it was indeed his home and were leaving – but Gates continued to be abusive and finally the police just arrested him to stop the harangue. (Agitated folks are often very dangerous folks)

    When our alarm went off when I was too slow in turning it off – we went through a process of having to prove we were who we said we were – we’re not AA. But once satisfied of our identity the police left.

    I think that’s what the police had assumed would happen – but Gates followed them – BTW, I believe there was an AA and a Hispanic police officer with Crowley

  16. It appears to me that every time Obama has trouble with the popularity polls some racial case comes up. I find this all interesting considering the friendship Obama has with Prof. Gates. I also find it interesting that if you listen to CNN they always say a “Cambridge police officer” and a “PROMINENT Harvard professor. It’s like one is supposed to automatically believe the prominent guy over the police. The thing that throws everything off is the history of Police Officer Crowley. With his background it is difficult to believe that he approached Gates on a racial basis. We can’t assume that all whites are racist any more than we can assume that all blacks are racist. Obama has done nothing but further divide this nation by race. As far as Gates goes I haven’t heard one comment from him that Officer Crowley made that sounded racial at all. If it was racial did Crowley refer to him as black, the n-word, or some other horrible thing? From my point of view it appears that Prof. Gates has done everything he can to destroy the character of the police officer. I just don’t buy what he’s selling. He has said nothing specific. The truth be told is if his house does actually get broken into now, as it has in the past, if I was the police on duty I don’t know how quickly I would make it to his place. It’s obvious the police aren’t welcome at his home to check out a possible breaking and entering, so why bother?

  17. From Salon:

    Skip Gates, please sit down: You are suffering from what I call the “Ivy League Effect”


  18. Obama regrets ‘distraction’ of comment ‘obsession’

    President Obama regrets the distraction that his comments about a police incident in Cambridge, Mass., caused, according to a White House spokesman.

    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Friday that if the president knew “just how much of an overall distraction and obsession it would be, I think he would regret distracting [the media] with obsessions.”

    Um…you’re the President of the United States. Exactly what did you think would happen when you commented on a case that hasn’t been completely resolved yet?

    • “Regrets the distraction” my ass. He is very glad indeed for this distraction from his failures, which was the whole point of Sweet’s question.

    • Funny, he didn’t regret the distraction yesterday…..

    • Oh, this is very familiar. I would not be surprised if there’s a “This is not the Skip Gates I knew” talk down the line.

      • Eventually we’ll hear it’s what he’s been saying all along.

        • Same as it never was. Change™ for Generation Attention Deficit.

          • At least he is finally considering the idea that Gates probably over-reacted too. I wonder if it’s shown that Gates should have been arrested, how long that will take him to consider.

  19. Still, was there a better way to handle it than arresting him?

    My first reaction to this story was that Crowley arrested Gates for what Joseph Wambaugh “contempt of cop,” which is a retaliatory arrest of someone who mouths off to a cop.

    While I still believe that Gates should not have been arrested, I don’t think Crowley was acting like a bully or abusing his powers.

    In many jurisdictions when a person is arrested for a misdemeanor like drunk in public or disturbing the peace they are taken to the jail and booked, but after a few hours they are cited out or released on a small bail that equals the standard fine.

    The idea is to give the person a few hours to cool-off or sober up and then let them go.

    • The idea is to give the person a few hours to cool-off or sober up and then let them go.

      My anti-authoritarian heart doesn’t like the idea of arresting people for “mouthing off”, because that practice is so very easily abused. But on the other hand, I do understand the reasoning behind why its done some of the time – as a way to deflate the situation.

      • Especially since Gates’s screaming when he came out on the porch after Crowley was agitating the crowd on the sidewalk.

        I think Gates knew that, and was working that crowd.

      • I don’t see how that is applicable in this case. The man was in his own home, not creating a public problem.

        • No, he wasn’t. The man FOLLOWED the officer out of the house and continued to berate him loudly. He was no longer IN his own home.

    • After reading and listening to everything I could find, I think Crowley arrested Gates because he didn’t think there was any other way to defuse the situation. I don’t think he “lured” Gates outside. It seems as if he was trying to leave and turn things over to the Harvard Police.

      I don’t want this incident to detract from the fact that racial profiling, which is a serious problem. I don’t like the way Gates is handling it at all, and that makes me suspicious of his original actions.

      • He may also have wanted him outside where witnesses were, to avoid the potential of Gates accusing him of things he didn’t say or do. If Gates initial remarks to him were as stated, then I don’t blame him for not wanting to be alone in the house with him.

  20. Gates has now backed himself into a corner in the press, and I do not like how he’s handling it NOW, egged on by the Sharptons of the world, but I do understand his initial gut reaction, even if it was wholly mistaken.

    I have yet to see Gates acknowledge that he was out of line or take any responsibility. Nor has he admitted that Crowley had good cause to come to his house that day.

    His demand for an apology from Crowley and his “If I think he is sincere I will forgive him” comment come across the wrong way.

    • In interviews on TV, Gates has said that he was grateful to the woman who called the police and that he was glad they showed up. But he also called Gates a “rogue” policeman, which I think was inaccurate and inappropriate. I think I posted that interview on the open thread last night, but I’m not positive.

      • ask me about rogue policemen …

        • I look forward to the time when you can write about what happened to you, Dak.

        • Dak: I hope time is healing your psychic and physical wounds. I don’t think this was “rogue” cop and Gates knows that too. Gates was being incendiary by using that term knowing full well all it connotes.

          This officer had a big ego and works in a small jurisdiction. NYC police officers get berated on a regular, but our system is too overburdened to haul in folks who are yellin and cussin at an officer unless there is a threat of physical harm to the officer or someone else. It’s obvious the Cambridge system is not similarly overburdened.

        • You would know all about that Dak!

          I , through out my life in Chicago, have encountered many “Rogue” Police officers. Is Crowley one of them? Doubt it.

          I wasn’t there, so I don’t know what happened but I have witnessed many instances where a person was either stopped in their car or on the street and the nastiness flew. It never comes out peaceful when either party is belligerent.
          It always ends up with the steel bracelets. Better to try to stay calm than to end up eating a cold Bologna sandwich in jail.

          And believe you me, I have heard that “Racist” nonsense tossed around freely at Police Officers.

      • I saw Gates on CNN saying that about the woman who called in, saying he was grateful to her because he had expensive artwork in his house.

      • It’s the first I’ve heard of it and would appreciate anyone that could lead me to a link where I could see/hear the interview.

    • You should check out the YouTube video by user WCVBtv where Gates takes 15 minutes to explain his version of the story in great detail. He thanks the woman who called the cops, talks about his positive experiences with the Cambridge cops, and says if anyone sees someone on his porch again he would be grateful if they call the cops. whether you believe him or not, he lays out the reasons he’s upset in the interview from his perspective.

      • BTW, according to his version, the reason he began to get irritated was he didn’t want o go outside when the cop first approached him because he didn’t want to go through the hassle of being arrested on suspicion of B&E, which he felt would occur if he went outside, but the cop entered his house without permission and without a warrant. That, according to him, is what he objected to, not the cop being there per se. After he showed ID, he asked the cop for his name because he wanted to file a complaint about the unauthorized entry, and according to him, the cop wouldn’t give it to him.

        • At the point at which Gates went inside, (by his own admission, since his ID was inside) the officer did not yet know who he was.

          I think it that circumstance, while responding to a B&E report, accompanying Gates inside was quite within the realm of reasonable suspicion, and quite legal. You don’t let a suspect walk away out of your sight while he is still a suspect, and at that point Gates still was.

          • Especially since the report was about two or three men, which means the officer had to assume there was someone else inside, and this is the important part, whether Gates knew it or not. In other words, the officer had to consider the possibility that there was a B&E even if Gates was supposed to be there.

          • Didn’t the cop in the police report pretty much acknowledge that he didn’t think Gates was a robber and pretty much knew he was the homeowner? If Gates was irritated about his home being entered without authorization and wanted to make a complaint, he’s entitled, imo. Maybe his complaint wouldn’t have had merit and would have been dismissed, maybe he’s wrong on the substance, but if he wnats to make it, hey go right ahead. My point is that it’s been implied that Gtaes was pissed off at the cop entering his house and never acknowledged he had a valid reason to be there, according to his version that’s not why he was upset, whether his reasons are valid or not he had another issue with the situation starting out and then, according to him continuing when the guy wouldn’t give his badge number.

          • According to witnesses, the officer gave him his name more than once, but Gates in his aggravated, upset state never heard him.

          • If the audio tapes are released, it’s possible they will show Crowley did provide his name and badge number as well as him trying to explain to Gates he had provided it, but Gates wasn’t listening (as the officer described), though if that part isn’t on the tapes it still doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Besides, I do believe Crowley probably at least gave his name at the front door when he first encountered Gates.

          • I’m talking about Gates’ version of events. Nobody has to believe him, but his version deserves to be represented accurately like anyone else’s. (Although, I don’t see how witnesses could have heard this since it happened in the house with only gates and cops around, but whatever.)

          • It apparently happened outside the house from witnesses. But who knows. Maybe we’ll know more when tapes are released.

        • This is Gates’s cleaned-up version.

          The cops who were there say he was belligerant and uncooperative from the very beginning, and when Crowley asked him to step outside, he screamed “No, I will NOT!!,” yanking up the phone to call Crowley’s police chief yelling “Do you know who I AM?”

          He resisted showing ID, but when he finally did, Crowley called in to advise the Harvard Police to come, since it would no longer be his jurisdiction.

          Gates yelling about Crowley’s momma the whole time, screaming about lotta things. The officer GAVE him his name several times, but Gates didn’t hear it cuz he was too busy screaming. All backed up by the AA cop and the Hispanic cop.

          The Skip Gates you saw preening in the Soledad O’Brien interview wasn’t telling the whole truth, cuz he was on the teevee with a complete sympathizer.

      • Thanks found it. I thought I’d listened to the interview before but apparently I only listened to a shorter version of it.

      • Maybe that’s the one I heard then.

    • his “If I think he is sincere I will forgive him” comment come across the wrong way I think it came across exactly how he meant it to come across. Gates is sure the policeman is an evil racist and nothing will change that in his mind, and he is sure he acted as anyone should in the face of a policeman making a call for B&E at their house.

      • He’s claiming the cops fabricated the police report. I know, I know, Gates may be lying or mistaken, but according to his version of events that’s what he believes or claims to believe. I don’t think it’s unreasonable To ask for an apology from someone who I’m alleging committed wrongdoing. I can’t imagine being in a position where I’d be saying, “I’d like an apology, but it doesn’t have to be sincere. Whether it is or not, even if it’s very insincere, I’m obligated to forgive him and shower him with roses.” again, you don’t have to believe him, but from his perspective it makes perfect sense.

        • I heard he was claiming the police report was fabricated.

          He stopped claiming that when he found out the HIspanic and AA cops who were there with Crowley backed him up completely in their own reports.

          Funny how Gates’s story keeps changing, huh?

  21. this is a very unfortunate incident.the media and potus are over reacting.imo.

  22. So a CNN anchor just called the press conference by the police dept “incendiary”.

    Seems every Tom Dick and Harry including the POTUS is allowed to go on teevee and get incensed over their version of events, but God forbid the cops actually involved in the incident do it. No, THEY are fanning the race flames if they do.

    • I stopped watching CNN and the like back in 2008 for crap just like this. They are still as responsible as ever for the race baiting tactics of our POTUS

  23. OT, but this is cracking me up!

    Obama spoke to the Apollo 11 crew, and waxed eloquent over watching the splashdown from Hawaii.

    Only thing is, he was living in Indonesia at the time….

    ROTFLMAO! Gawd, can the man make up any more “personal history”?


    • Like the Selma mrach ” got him born” …4 years after he was born! lol!

    • The gift that just keeps on giving. What a blowhard.

    • Oh wow, that IS funny!!
      Obama: Let me now wax poetic about glorious events that happened at some point to someone, which I will of course claim happened to me, well because EVERYTHING is about me!!

      You now he does this so often and with such ease, I’m beginning to suspect, “obot” may be truer than we thought. Problem for him is, he was programmed by so many different people imputing info to provide a back-story to sell us, that none of it ended up meshing. Like bits of 47 different stories all hitting at the same time!

  24. Here’s the transcript of Gates remarks:



    O’BRIEN: A neighbor called 911. I mean, it was a neighbor of yours who said that description, two black men breaking into your house. Are you angry with your neighbor?

    GATES: No. In fact I hope right now that if someone is breaking into my house this nice lady is calling the police. I have a lot of valuable art and books in that house. And in fact, I think I’m going to send this person some flowers. I hope she is watching. I know that she must be intimidated and she must think that I’m very angry.

    It wasn’t her fault. It was the fault of the policeman who couldn’t understand a black man standing up for his rights right in his space. And that’s what I did. And I would do the same thing exactly again.

    O’BRIEN: You have offered to fill in some of the blanks for that police officer who helped himself into your house and arrested you. And you’ve said you want an apology. Have you had an apology yet?

    GATES: I haven’t heard from Sergeant Crowley. I would be prepared to listen to him. If I were convinced that — if he would tell the truth about what he did, about the distortions that he fabricated in the police report, I would be prepared as a human being to forgive him.

    That would not deter me from using this as an educational opportunity for America. Because if this can happen to me in Harvard Square, this can happen to anybody in the United States. And I’m determined that it never happen to anybody again.

  25. So the president of harvard is basically saying that it was racial profiling. Lovely. The cop may have been overzealous in wrapping up the situation but this is ridiculous. I want the pre. Of hsrvard to let us know how this event falls under racial injustice.

    • Harvard is not one to talk….why was one of its professors left in jail for hours? Were was Harvard during that time??

      If President of Harvard says it was racial profiling, that means the Upper Crust wants this hot mess to continue and are calling all hands on deck to help.

      • Can we talk about health care now,please, please, please? or anyone seen any good vampire movies lately?

  26. This is an unfortunate incident. I am white and my experience with police officres is you love them until you have to deal with them. We’ve all been cited for simple traffic violations at some time or other. Has anyone of us ever challenged their opinions during those violations ? Tell me how did they respond after that challenge. Sometimes not to professioanlly. I read the police report and on page three the written statement says ” loud and tumultous behavior in a public place”. I would say that Professor Gates was in his owned domain, which is far from being in public. He also has a right to expression and opinion….as long as that expression does not inflect violence. The issue here is officer Crowley is the trained professional and possibly could have acted differently.

    • My experience has been that most police officers in the Boston/Cambridge area are very rude no matter how nicely you treat them or how calm you remain. I have had good experiences with the police, but less often than the unfriendly ones.

    • Give me a break. Who is the professional????? Gates is supposed to be a Harvard professor. Doesn’t that make him a professional? (Well based upon the behavior of a lot of elitist eggheads in this political time I am probably wrong in giving him the rank of being a “professional, educated, respectable and responsible citizen.”

  27. We have three observations about the Harvard professor incident:

    1. We find it interesting that the fact that this was the professor’s home was evidently not established early on way before the dispute escalated;

    2. We find it fascinating that the versions of two members of society, who most would ordinarily view as responsible and honest citizens (this obviously does not include politicians), would vary so dramatically from a factual point of view.

    3. Finally, considering that the reading and viewing public were not present at the scene (and thus have no first hand knowledge), and that there is no video tape to our knowledge of the sequence of events and what was said, how so many have formed conclusions, and made assumptions, about who did what and who was wrong.

    There are some things which Professor Gates might have considered upon the arrival of the police, no matter how incensed he may have been.

  28. Obama walks back criticism of Cambridge police.


    • of course he did.
      His assessment of the cop went from “stupidly” to “outstanding” in just 2 days, now THAT’S progress.

      Too bad we can’t say the same for the Pres.!

    • Yep, in typical Obama fashion, he walked back to the middle of being on both sides. Priceless. Actually I’m glad he did it. And I hope it helps. But I couldn’t help but snicker.

    • He’s made the entire situation worse. He’s done no favors for his friend Gates. Good job, post-racial President Obama.

    • Of course, he did.

      I just turned on my comp and that piece of Obama news was on the top of the page. What else is new?

      Has he ever stuck to an original opinion? Ever? Or has he ever stuck to only ONE opinion without adding another in the same speech? No matter if criticism follows or not? Hah!!!

      Cause Obama ist not going to stick his neck out for a-ny-th-i=ng or anybody ….

      Besides – Anyone who wants to know about the Obama character should remember the way he dealt (or not dealt) with the Katrina disaster. I’ll never forget that.
      Told me all I ever wanted to know about this new Democratic darling at the time.

  29. I just wnat to mention that besides being a friend and admirer of Obama, Gates is also a strong supporter and admirer of Hillary and a friend of teh Clinton family. He encouraged her to run for President, had nothing but glowing things to say about her abilities and campaign from everything i’ve seen, wanted her on the ticket even after it was clear they weren’t going to give her the nom, etc. In reference to speculation about Gates being a misogynist, I don’t know the man, I can’t say anything conclusively, but I haven’t come across anything that suggests he leans that way, either, the guy isn’t Obama.

    • Good point and thanks for the info.

      It may very well be the case that we have two normally quite exceptional people that got entangled and emotion got the better of one or both of them.

      I think the bigger story is how people have reacted, especially without knowing anything. We’re learning more from both side and from independent witnesses, and the policeman’s story seems to be more believable at this point. But the tapes will probably clarify it all.

      • That’s what it seems like to me too. Two individuals who got caught up in the moment who seem to just have hit their breaking points at the same time.

        It’s sad that the media is feeding fuel to a fire that should have already died down.

    • Have to say when Obama called Gates a good friend, it made me cringe. I got one of those “well that’s all I need to know” feelings. But if he’s friends with the Clintons maybe I’m wrong, or at least not totally right about him.

      I wonder though how long that “friendship” will last if and when the 911 tapes are released and they paint Gates’ as being in the wrong, more than Crowley. If they end up ticking off a significant block of voters….cops and their supporters around the country, who don’t appreciate the Pres. siding with him over our police force, I can see Obama back peddling on that too. I mean it wouldn’t be the first time, his closest confidants advisors and even Grand Mother became people he hardly knows!

      Face it, the concept of loyalty does not exist in his world.

    • I doubt if he and Obama are really friends in the sense that normal people think of friendship. They have probably met socially once or twice.

    • One good outcome of this episode for me is that I found this great blog.


  30. OMG I just turned on CNN for a moment, and again realize why I don’t watch them. They were saying that Gates attorney when asked if Gates had made this a racial issue, by claiming racial profiling, that instead the whole reason this has been turned into an issue of race is because the woman that called in the 911 call said there were two “black men” trying to break into a house. I have to admit I turned it off at that point because it seemed to me they were trying to sell the idea.

    • Oh barf. Gates’ attorney is trying to push the whole “racial profiling” meme off on the lady who tried to help Gates, so Gates can claim he never thought the issue was racism.

      I think I’m going to be sick.

  31. Wow. A lot of people are certain that Gates is a liar, “racist,” misogynist, elitist, and the list goes on. On what basis? There is very little real evidence about this incident on the table for us to see or hear. Take a breath and put presumptions aside for the moment.

    • On the basis of witnesses who were there, and whose version of events are completely different than Gates’s version.

  32. I’m beginning to think there’s some pretty stiff anti-white racism in this country too…starting at the presidential level and including his friends….and including some bloggers (not here).

    • Of course there is anti-white prejudice. That isn’t the point. Whites are in the vast majority in this country and thus inherently have more power than minority groups. They simply aren’t subject to the same types of discrimination as minorities. I’m sorry, but I’m not going to get all bent out of shape feeling sorry for white policemen–who have far more power than the average whilte person.

      And we are talking about the Cambridge police here. They have a history. They deserve to have their word taken with a grain of salt.

      • [quote] I’m sorry, but I’m not going to get all bent out of shape feeling sorry for white policemen–who have far more power than the average whilte person. [/quote]
        I’m sorry but I want to make sure what you’re saying. Am I wrong in thinking you are saying it’s ok to fasely accuse him?

        • I didn’t say any such thing. You know I’ve been pretty lax with your comments, because I think it’s important for this issue to be openly discussed.

          But I’ll be honest: I think you learn a little more about the history of African Americans and the police in the US and then try to put yourself into the shoes of a middle-aged black person, who has experienced being racially profiled throughout his/her lifetime and try to understand how that person might respond emotionally to having a policeman walk into his/her home and demand that the person prove his/her identity.

          • [quote]You know I’ve been pretty lax with your comments, because I think it’s important for this issue to be openly discussed.[/quote]

            I appreciate you tolerating my comments. I wish you could be more exact in ones you’ve though you needed to be lax on.

            [quote]But I’ll be honest: I think you learn a little more about the history of African Americans and the police in the US and then try to put yourself into the shoes of a middle-aged black person, who has experienced being racially profiled throughout his/her lifetime and try to understand how that person might respond emotionally to having a policeman walk into his/her home and demand that the person prove his/her identity.[/quote]

            I really don’t appreciate being told who I am and my history from someone that knows nothing about me. I have dealt with discrimination in past and present, and am aware of the problems of race in our country. Being a gay male in a relationship with a person that is also a minority I think I do have a grasp of what you’re talking about. I also know it cuts both ways with race bias and think those that condone one group bias of another, no matter which race they are is wrong. I’m not saying that’s what you were doing, but your comments about the officer seemed insensitive to me.

          • I can only judge by your comments. Now that I know more about you, I’m surprised that you don’t have a little more empathy for a black person in a position where he feels threatened by police power.

            Personally, I don’t think that this episode is an example of racial profiling. I see it as a clash of a working-class policeman with an elite academic who thinks he should be protected from these kinds of distasteful interactions. But I can still understand why Gates felt threatened and may have reacted defensively. I’m not defending him for accusing Crowley of anything. But Crowley is paid to deal with things like that. Someone who doesn’t want to deal with a lot of guff shouldn’t become a policeman.

            I just read this piece and found it very interesting–maybe you would like it too.

            Skip Gates, please sit down


          • [quote]I’m surprised that you don’t have a little more empathy for a black person in a position where he feels threatened by police power[/quote]

            Having empathy for a black person or any other person where they feel threatened by police power, I didn’t think was a part of my question so I have to assume you are getting this from other things I’ve said. Could you show me where?

            I do have empathy for, (in this case) Gates feelings on this. But I also don’t thnk that gives him the right to treat people any other way then they’d want to be treated themselves, and their rights, protections and the truth are just as important. no matter the race or group.

            I will read what you’ve suggested now.

      • Falsely accuse him of what? He did arrest the man. Behaving childishly is not a crime. Being a racist (and I’m not saying he is) is not a crime, either. The issue is really whether there were any grounds to arrest Gates. I have an issue with people being wrongly arrested more than people saying mean things to each other.

        • Racial profiling.

          • Um, yes you are wrong in thinking she’s saying that. That’s absolutely ridiculous.

          • Sorry bb, I didn’t mean to answer for you, I just know you have never said anything remotely like that and have said the exact opposite.

          • Really I’d prefer to hear from BB on this and also BB am I wrong or have commens of mine been deleted. If so what in them that needed to be deleted.

          • No offense, but I don’t care what you’d prefer. I don’t want to speak for bb so I apologize to her for doing so, but I stand by my statement that that is absolutely ridiculous.

          • No offense, but I wasn’t asking you, it was directed at BB. Are you going to asnwer all the questions I might ask BB?

          • Lol This is a discussion board. It inspires, um, discussion. Yeah, probably about 30 people might weigh in on any question asked. Deal.

          • yes it is, and while you’re busy apologizing to BB for giving answers for BB, maybe you might let BB answer.
            The question was obviously directed at BB so though I took in your response and appreciate your thoughts, I don’t think it out of line to ask a question and hope for an answer.

          • Baddawg00,

            There is no need for Seriously to apologize to me for anything, lol. This is a blog with lots of commenters. If you don’t want someone to jump in and respond to your questions, don’t post them. We don’t have some rule that only the person addressed can respond to a question or comment. That would be silly and impossible to moderate.

            If you keep being so rude and bossy to our long-time regular commenters, I’ll have to moderate your comments.

        • Thank you for speaking up for me, Seriously. You can speak for me pretty much anytime, because we tend to agree on most things.

          • Thanks, bb. 🙂 I know in these situations, I always think if it were me I’d like someone to have my back, but then I don’t want to overstep.

        • See comment above. Also I’d like to know how I was rude. All I said was a prefered an answer from you BB. At that point I think Seriously was rude to me, but if you feel you must moderate me, then fine.

          • M I allowed to answer this one? Your question was pretty inflammatory in wording, IMO. Personally, I found it rude. You should know that if you as an unknown quantity suggest something like that about soneone like bb who is universally known and respected, it is likely to cause a bad reaction. I also found it rude to say that you’d “prefer bb to answer.” IMO, that’s presumptuous. You can ask, but you’re not entitled to demand an answer, especially to a ridiculous question.

          • I”m sorry you found my response rude, that was not my intent. I found yours rude and I’m guessing that wasn’t your intent. I would hope next time I’d be asked what I meant rather than assuming what I mean. I never demanded an answer. I used words like prefer and hope. I’m sorry this confused you.

          • I think I responded fully to your question.

          • Yes you did, and I appreciate you taking the time. I was though in the last comment above trying to repond to what Seriously had written.

          • Words like prefer and hope may be too much for me, but the import of your remarks was to say that you wanted bb to answer and no one else. You’re not a frontpager, so unlike bb and the others, You don’t get to dictate who is allowed to weigh in on what. That was your intention, correct?

          • No, it would be silly of me to demand anything, (especially when they’re the author of the thread) but since I have discussed other things with BB I didn’t think it an out of line to request to hear what BB thought. If anyone doesn’t answer me I don’t take it personally, It appears to me now you think I was blowing you off, but all I was doing was re-asking BB for clarification and combining it with noticing some of my messages appeared to be missing. Prefer doesn’t indicate a demand to me, nor does hope, anymore than request.

            I will admit after you indicated you didn’t care what I thought, I found no reason not to return the favor. I’m not trying to cause problems but just like I’m sure you do in real life, I stand up for myself.

          • I said I didn’t care after I felt you told me basically to get off the thread. I interpreted tge prefer thing as please Stfu seriously. I don’t mind being ignored or disagree with, but I found that rude. If I misinterpreted, sorry. In movies, must shut off phone

          • No, I don’t tell anyone to stfu. I was interested in what BB had to say, and have had my say on it. I appreciate being heard, and only wish BB at this point could direct me to where lax effort on my post was needed so at the next site I try and discuss things I won’t need to handicap them too.

          • Yeah, well, all I would suggest is “would you mind clarifying your feelings, bb” is a different statement than “am I wrong in thinking you’re saying it’s okay to falsely accuse him?” The chances of causing offense increase exponentially with #2 vs. #1. And as far as re-asking, if you ask once probably the best policy is to wait until you get a response or don’t, reasking can seem demanding and presumptuous. Plus, if other people are weighing in and it’s annoying you, it will probably cause less irritation to both parties to just ignore them rather than act like they’re not allowed to speak. And you didn’t ask for my advice, but, I gave it anyway! And now, you can ignore it or not even read it! You can give me advice right back if you like! I can ignore it too if I choose! And the message board world rolls on.

          • [quote]Yeah, well, all I would suggest is “would you mind clarifying your feelings, bb” is a different statement than “am I wrong in thinking you’re saying it’s okay to falsely accuse him?” [/quote]

            If the answer is no, I don’t see the problem with the question. How am I going to get him to clarify on what I’m asking if I don’t ask it. I’ve posted several post on here, none of them IMO have been offensive or ridiculous. I still believe the comment by BB insensitive, but I accept thru Bb’s history is the reason for these feelings.

            [quote]Plus, if other people are weighing in and it’s annoying you, it will probably cause less irritation to both parties to just ignore them rather than act like they’re not allowed to speak[/quote]

            I think you might have applied your own advice to yourself as well in this regard., but I appreciate and respect the advice

            [quote]The chances of causing offense increase exponentially with #2 vs. #1. And as far as re-asking, if you ask once probably the best policy is to wait until you get a response or don’t, reasking can seem demanding and presumptuous[/quote]

            I only re-asked because when you answered for BB I was concerned that would be the final word on it, and as I said I wanted BB’s thought’s on it if it was possible. If BB chose not to answer I wouldn’t have asked again, and I wouldn’t have asked a second time if you hadn’t answered for BB as you said you were dong in the 2nd message on this subject to me.

            [quote]And you didn’t ask for my advice, but, I gave it anyway! And now, you can ignore it or not even read it![/quote]
            I don’t ignore, delete or censure other people. I welcome their opinions and thoughts on anything they want to talk about.

  33. Holy $)&@. Honestly, Gates is the perfect spokesperson for Obama. What a dumba$$. I wonder if JM will weigh in now.

  34. The fact that Gates is clearly pushing this with the media tells me a whole bunch. He is doing nothing now after the fact and after things should have cooled off to defuse this and everything to make it a case celibre. Crowley on the other hand is no longer talking to the media. Gates is the one making himself into an asshat and there is just as much evidence on the table of “AA police profiling/stereotyping” as there is of “police AA profiling/sterotyping”.

    About all this whole incident proves to me it that this president is in no way “post racial” and is every bit the racist I thought he was in his ill gotten, racist election.

  35. Do we not all remember how a “racist” incident always seemed to emerge as HRC was scoring points, moving ahead. These guys use race to win, to hurt, to destroy. They are a cancer on our body politic that is devouring the flesh that feeds them.

    • Yup. And Lynn Sweet and David Axelrod are old friends from their early newspaper days in Chicago.

      Of COURSE that question was planted, to change the subject from The One’s healthcare failures.

      This time, it blew up in their faces.

  36. I have no idea what happened and only knew about Gates not a random “white cop.” Obama got ahead of himself too. “This is what happens when you race bait.” The other thread closed so I couldn’t tell AfroCity it doesn’t look like racial profiling. Back to single payer…

    • Meaning she and many of you were right. Y’all know more about the police than me!

  37. Here’s an issue: even if it’s your house, without running your license and talking to you outside cops don’t know (a) if you’re being held hostage or someone in your family is (b) if you’re subject to a restraining order or have warrants and (c) whether you’re up to no good in your own home, by, for example, having hurt a family member. SOP dictates ID, running for warrants, and taking things to the safety of the neutral ground outside to figure out what really happened.

    Gates lost his mind in this episode, made casual accusations of racism, kept disrespecting officers and screaming, and deserved to be arrested and deserves to be ridiculed until he apologizes. Obama made a big moral and political mistake in weighing in on this local issue when he’s biased (by his own admission) and wrong and confirming the stereotypes of black politicians: They stand up for blacks and are negative to law enforcement even when blacks misbehave.

  38. Here’s the thing: Gates is working on a documentary series the timing of this controversy seems convenient with all the media attention.

    Info about the documentary

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