Promises, Promises

Via Lambert:

Here’s the transcript:

I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program.” (applause) “I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.” (emphasis added)

Well gee, we already took back the White House, the Senate and the House. What’s the hold up?

So-Where-s-My-Fucking-Pony

Wait! Obama promised to computerize our medical records, and the big bucks medical insurers are gonna kinda-sorta-maybe-notta hold down cost increases. We’re saved! Avedon Carol:

Obama, as far as I can tell, is just in it for the kabuki – pretend to give Americans a better healthcare option, but don’t actually do it. (Sort of like withdrawing from Iraq without actually doing it, closing Gitmo without actually doing it, forbidding torture without actually doing, etc.)

Arthur Silber:

It’s what I expected, because Obama lies. He lies all the time, on every matter of consequence. It’s what he does.

(Cue the Obots Failbots whinging “McCain would have been worse!)

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For a peek at how those poor Canadians suffer through with Marxist medicine, check out Debunking Canadian Health Care Myths by Rhonda Hackett:

Because if the only way we compared the two systems was with statistics, there is a clear victor. It is becoming increasingly more difficult to dispute the fact that Canada spends less money on health care to get better outcomes.

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In actuality, taxes are nearly equal on both sides of the border. Overall, Canada’s taxes are slightly higher than those in the U.S. However, Canadians are afforded many benefits for their tax dollars, even beyond health care (e.g., tax credits, family allowance, cheaper higher education), so the end result is a wash. At the end of the day, the average after-tax income of Canadian workers is equal to about 82 percent of their gross pay. In the U.S., that average is 81.9 percent.

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Ten percent of Canada’s GDP is spent on health care for 100 percent of the population. The U.S. spends 17 percent of its GDP but 15 percent of its population has no coverage whatsoever and millions of others have inadequate coverage.

Poor commie bastards. Aren’t we the lucky ones?  Better dead than red.

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57 Responses

  1. Last year from Sam Stein at HuffPo:

    Pivoting off of one of the few policy spats in Monday night’s presidential debate in South Carolina, Hillary Clinton hit Barack Obama on Tuesday for wavering on his support for a single-payer health care system. In a video put out on YouTube, the Clinton campaign contrasts portions of the debate – in which Obama says “I never said we should go and try to get single payer” – and a speech Obama gave to the AFL-CIO in 2003 – in which he says, “I happen to be a proponent of single-payer health care coverage.”

    It’s what I expected, because Obama lies. He lies all the time, on every matter of consequence. It’s what he does.

    (h/t lizpolaris)

  2. It is remarkable that only PUMA’s call W2 on his lies and broken promises. The MSM buries these flip-flops and barely covers the fact that he has quietly adopted many Bush policies.

    • Correction, he is OBush lll, Bush ll was ‘W’ and after him the plan on Bush lV (Jeb)…it’s part of the plan to make believe that Change happened.

  3. He has no excuses left, he has the Senate, Congress and he is POTUS and even is said to be ‘a sort of God’. What lies is he going to tell for his re-election?

    Also, how is it we saw through the slick marketing?

    • Because we’re older and wiser, and have already heard all the “chicken in every pot” speeches ever made over the years.

      Besides, we’re not STOOPID like Booman.

      Poor little thang.

  4. Another weak non-stand:

    Will Obama be Truman on Gay Rights?

    Quiet at the center of this storm is Barack Obama.

    Gay rights activists have noticed. Their patience has worn thin. Key leaders have privately expressed their frustration to top White House officials. Publicly, over the weekend, one gay rights activist proposed a march on Washington in October.

    A Gallup Poll last week underscored the change in Americans’ attitude on gay rights. Three of the voting blocs coolest on gay rights are conservatives, Republicans and weekly churchgoers. About six in 10 of all three blocs now back allowing gays and lesbians to openly serve in the military. That marks a more than double-digit shift against the “don’t ask, don’t tell” on the political right in the past five years.

    But this is also not 1993. That year, one summer Gallup survey found that Americans were divided on the issue–48 percent supporting the policy and an equal share against. Today, about seven in 10 Americans are against “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

    Yet Obama clearly is not itching to enter the culture wars. He has, for example, said that fulfilling his campaign promise to eliminate hundreds of standing government restrictions on abortions was “not [his] highest legislative priority.”

    Yet mainstream cultural acceptance for homosexuals remains another matter. Fifty-seven percent of Americans believe “homosexuality should be considered an acceptable alternative lifestyle,” merely a few points higher than when the question was first asked in the early 1980s.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/09/will_obama_be_truman_on_gay_rights_96905.html

    • I’m betting a lot of those Americans object to considering it as a “lifestyle”. To me it’s certainly acceptable but lifestyle makes it sound like a choice.

  5. message to any O-bots that might be lurking out there .. anyone that expects BO to come thru on any of his promises is going to have a long wait. but you wont have to wait to break the ones he made if he not already done so ..

  6. Ya know, if the Dems are serious about making any changes then they better get off their asses because at the rate things are going they won’t be in power after the midterm elections.

  7. That AFL-CIO video, and Obama’s WORMing about his position on single-payer, is what finally and forcefully drove me into Hillary’s camp last year. And I’m glad you chose Promises, Promises” for the title of your post–last year it got to where every time I saw Obama on the campaign trail, my mental soundtrack always brought up Dionne Warwick’s version of the Bacharach-David song.

    What’s really starting to annoy me is that I prophetically explained to all my Obot friends exactly what an Obama presidency would be like, from the kowtowing to Wall Street fraudsters, to the expansion of the Af-Pak conflict, to the continuous of Bush policies on Iraq, FISA, etc., to the backtracking on all his promises to the gay community, to labor, to environmentalists, etc. Not to toot my own horn, but I was sooo right on the money. But does a single one of my old Obot friends ever write me to say: “Gee–you were right and I was wrong–I apologize for not listening to you.” No, I’m still waiting on that one.

    • continuous = continuation

      Me no type so good.

    • I actually had a good friend say that to me recently: You were right about Obama. He didn’t believe any of the corporate associations. Now, pretty obvious for anyone who reads.

  8. E J Dionne’s inane comment:
    “So by all means, let’s welcome the drug and insurance companies to the health care bargaining table”
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2009315205_dionne09.html

    WTF? They should be welcomed by whipping the chairs out from under them.

    • Or by whipping them with chairs.

    • To be fair on this point,

      Hillary said they belonged at the table as well.

      It was one of those points I disagreed with her on.

    • I can see keeping the drug companies involved, since they do actually provide care in some ways, and are involved in R and D. But the insurance companies should take what they’re given and shut up.

  9. Another “How The Fuck Did I Miss This’:

    Love or lust, Obama and the fawning press need to get a room

    I see why I don’t deserve any raise.

    • Hey–don’t be so hard on yourself! We appreciate the great effort you offer each day :)

  10. The EMR hogwash myth (i.e., lie) still hasn’t been debunked.

    From an American Academy of Family Physicians blog post discussing a Wall Street Journal (yes, really) article:

    ” … the Obama administration proposed the national adoption of EMRs on the grounds that it would save $80 billion a year and improve the quality of health care.
    But not everyone is drinking the Kool-Aid.”
    [....]
    “The basis for the president’s proposal is a theoretical study published in 2005 by the RAND Corporation, funded by companies including Hewlett-Packard and Xerox that stand to financially benefit from such an electronic system. And, as the RAND policy analysts readily admit in their report, there was no compelling evidence at the time to support their theoretical claims. Moreover, in the four years since the report, considerable data have been obtained that undermine their claims. The RAND study and the Obama proposal it spawned appear to be an elegant exercise in wishful thinking.”

    http://blogs.aafp.org/fpm/noteworthy/entry/the_unsubstantiated_benefits_of_emrs

  11. It is indeed tiresome saying I told you so. I was fairly certain he was lying through his teeth. That’s why I became a Republican r@tf*cker. I’d rather be a principled r@tf*cker than a whining, mewling person that says “It’s not fair, you lied to me and I ignored all the evidence.” I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, If I wasn’t going to get liberal principles, then I figured I might as well vote for the real Republican.

  12. Washington State has a low premium health insurance plan available to the unemployed and poor that was costing around $30 a month. They are doubling the rates, and anyone who can’t afford the new $60+ premium will be dropped.

    Just once I’d like to hear that the over-paid state legislators who work just a couple months a year would have their income dropped and no benefits. These people have P/T jobs…they aren’t entitled to free health insurance.

  13. Things add up slowly, but they do add up for most people. Rasmussen’s latest poll numbers.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues/trust_on_issues

    “Voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats on six out of 10 key issues, including the top issue of the economy.
    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 45% now trust the GOP more to handle economic issues, while 39% trust Democrats more.

    This is the first time in over two years of polling that the GOP has held the advantage on this issue. The parties were close in May, with the Democrats holding a modest 44% to 43% edge. The latest survey was taken just after General Motors announced it was going into bankruptcy as part of a deal brokered by the Obama administration that gives the government majority ownership of the failing automaker.

    Voters not affiliated with either party now trust the GOP more to handle economic issues by a two-to-one margin.”

    • Translation in 2010 and 2012 the GOP will have the edge. We will probably have nothing to show for our stellar victory in 2008. Not surprising when you elect a DINO as the POTUS. 6 years of Republican rule equals dramatic shift right. 4 years of Democratic rule equals stay the course. Followed by 8 more years of a dramatic right shift. Oh goody I can hardly wait.

    • Yes, it all boils down to trust-something Dem leaders didn’t seem to count in, when they were busy running after fresh, charisma.

  14. Hate to say this, but if he gives the country single payer UHC this time round when he has House and Senate majorities-just what is he going to promise voters in 2012???

    • Well it isn’t like there wouldn’t be a myriad of problems to fix and he couldn’t then use his success with UHC to build on.

      Not that I believe the Dems will fix health care. Actual solutions might harm the kabuki theater production they have going on. No. Instead they’ll continue to try to play pin the blame on the conservatives IMO. Here’s to hoping I’m wrong.

  15. Meanwhile at the Left Coaster they are looking to revise history. It’s going to be all the mean ol’ powerless conservatives fault if we don’t get healthcare. They sound as weak and lame as the Senate Democrats who insist 60 isn’t enough to enact Democratic policy. Geez

  16. Another kabuki is the mortgage ‘bailout’. I was told that 93% of people facing foreclosure have been turned down for re-negotiations, etc. by the banks. And yet, one large bank said they would use the money they got to help mortgage holders. Yeah, right. It’s all just words.

    Obama sent me an email to go our and lobby for his health plan. Ha. Ha. One of the things I said in reply was that he contradicted himself in saying (in that very email) that 1) single payer is the best plan, and 2) the people have never been more ready for real change – and then saying that we cannot do it! (Can’t even try, apparently, since the people who have worked out the single payer idea for many years are not even allowed to speak.)

  17. Canadian after tax income significantly outpaces American after tax income during the last 4 years.

    http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2009/06/09/per-capita-canada-us.html

  18. On this thread over on Hullabaloo, an Oborg named Noni tries desperately not to fawn over her object of reverence:

    http://www.haloscan.com/comments/digby/8153519308973216879/?a=18140

  19. i am very grateful that I have you people to learn from.

    Most of the society seems to be blind or delude or both.

    I prefer some form of single payer, and if individual want ot supplement that with private insurance go for it. I would prefer that private insurance NOT get a slice a public money though. They don’t deserve it. If they want to compete with single payer by providing more coverage for less money, well why the hell not?

    One thing that I do not undrestand regarding EMRs…doctors, hospitals, pharmacists, Big PHARMA and the insurance companies are all in business to make money right? So if there are hundreds of millions to be had by converting to converting to EMR’s why is it that the federal government has to be the one that has to make it happen? If it is an economic no brainer then why haven’t they already done it and why, even if W2 mandates it, do we have to pay. Seems like they would be lining up to switch.

    • Good point about EMRs. It stands to be the biggest and most expensive boondoggle evah. And the FBI spent close to $100 million to interface all their systems and failed. Total waste of money in that case.

      EMRs could be a black hole for tax money.

    • There are not tons of $$$ to be made converting to EMRs for any except software & computer companies. Everyone else loses money. See my comment at 12:29 above for some sources for data on this.

  20. In my world private health inusrance would be like private school. You pay taxes that fund public school. You don’t have to go. You can buy private schooling. You don’t get to opt out of school taxes though. Private inusrances would be something on top of single payer. Wouldn’t that keep private insurance on their toes? they would have to offer a helluva good deal!

  21. Correct me if I’m wrong, but when it comes to behavioral science, mice require periodic reenforcement in order to continue, don’t they? A mouse who never receives a crumb or who gets smacked upside the head will stop pressing the lever. They don’t just keep on pressing forever without getting anything in return.

    Obots: Not as smart as mice, but they try harder.

    • That’s why Obots are Failbots

      • The Left Coaster now has a post up now about how e-vil the conservative anti choicers are. The irony actually hurts. We have a president who has not overturned the conscience clause and just extended the authority of faith based programs and its all about those awful terrible conservatives. It’s positively delusional to not address the fact that the candidate you placed into office is almost as bad as the people you are arguing against.

        So far on the Left Coaster health care post I got Twinky P calling me a moron and some person who says that yeah they(progressives) don’t have anymore power than they had prior to this cycle but somehow or another that’s still on going to fall on the heads of conservatives. The ability of these folks to contort themselves into pretzels is amazing.

      • I think I’m giving up on O-bots.

        This is one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever seen:

        Rachel Maddow takes Obama to task on DADT and a very thoughtful and calm manner.
        Just check the first 5 comments. I doubt you have the stomach for more.

        (banging my head against the desk)

        • It certainly doesn’t give me much hope for our country. The leader of the country apparently has absolutely no need to lead, he’s a figurehead. Who knew?

        • Amazing. Truly.

          They did seem to find all the old talking points…

          As for me, there is a part of me that enjoys knowing Maddow is upset. I remember her during the Dem convention freaking out about HRC supporters, literally freaking out, it was quite a sight.

          I am sorry to see DADT being yet another flip on obama’s part.

    • It’s called learned helplessness. I think they still keep pressing the lever, because BO gives them “crumbs” in the form of his constant preaching speeches.

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