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Secretary of State Clinton reaches out to women in Seoul, Korea

Cross posted from Heidi Li’s Potpourri

Main information crossposted from 51 Percent.

I think that it’s imperative that nations like ours stand up for the rights of women. It is not ancillary to our progress; it is central.” – Hillary Rodham Clinton speakng in Seoul, 2/20/2009

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is doing as many of us expected, using her position to reach out to and therefore empower women around the world. One way women here at home can begin to overcome their differences to work together toward women’s emancipation is to understand what we share in common with women around the world, so that we can all work toward women’s emancipation. Below is the text of Secretary Clinton’s primary remarks, my emphases added.

Hillary Rodham Clinton
Secretary of State
Town Hall Meeting at Ewha Women’s University
Seoul, South Korea
February 20, 2009
SECRETARY CLINTON: Good afternoon. (cheers and applause) Thank you so much, President Lee. I am honored to be here at this great university. I wish to thank also Chairperson (inaudible) and the more than 107,000 alumni at this great school. Standing up with me was our Ambassador Kathy Stephens, who has told me that more than 50 graduates of Ewha Womans University work at U.S. Embassy Seoul. We are extremely proud of the education they have received here.

It is a great privilege to stand here before you on the stage of the largest women’s university in the world. And I came to – (applause) – this university as a matter of destiny, because you see, Ewha and I share a connection. (Cheers and applause.) I am a Methodist, my family on my father’s side comes from Scranton, Pennsylvania – (applause) – and I must say that Wellesley College is a sister college for Ewha University. (Applause.) So being an honorary fellow seems right at home today.

I also note that in this audience are some Korean-American friends from New York and California. There are several Wellesley graduates whom I met backstage as well – (applause) – and an extraordinary number of talented young women, faculty members, and administrators.

Learning about this great university and the role that you have played in advancing the status of women made me think about so many of the women throughout history who are inspirations to me: Madame Scranton, someone who started teaching one young woman, and from her dedication and hard work came this university; Eleanor Roosevelt, a pioneering First Lady of the United States and a voice for democracy around the world, and one of the driving forces behind the United Nations Declaration on Human Rights. Now, that was more than 50 years ago, but just a few weeks ago, one of Korea’s most accomplished leaders, United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, called on all nations worldwide to push for more progress on women’s equality. And I want to thank the Secretary General – (applause) – because he said that women’s empowerment is the key to progress in developing nations.

People who think hard about our future come to the same conclusion, that women and others on society’s margins must be afforded the right to fully participate in society, not only because it is morally right, but because it is necessary to strengthen our security and prosperity.

Before I came out on stage, I met a number of young women who are in political office here in the Republic of  Korea, and I hope I was looking at a future president of this great nation. (Applause.)

As you think about your own futures, keeping in mind security and prosperity and the role that each of us must play, is essential because of the urgent global challenges we face in the 21st century. We need all of our people’s talents to be on the very forefront of setting a course of peace, progress, and prosperity; be it defending our nations from the threat of nuclear proliferation and terror, or resolving the global climate crisis or the current economic crisis, and promoting civil society, especially women’s rights and education, healthcare, clean energy, good governance, the rule of law, and free and fair elections. All of these matters speak to our common desire to make a nation that is safe and strong and secure.

More than half a century ago, this university became the first to prepare women for professions that were formerly reserved for men, including medicine, law, science, and journalism. At about the same time, your government wrote women’s equality into your constitution and guaranteed protections for women in employment. And there have been other rights and protections for women encoded in Korean law in subsequent decades.

These advances coincided with Korea’s transformation from an undeveloped nation to a dynamic democracy, a global economic power, and a hub of technology and innovation. The inclusion of women in the political and economic equation, calling on those talents and contributions from the entire population, not just the male half, was essential to the progress that this country has made.

As I have been on this first trip as Secretary of State, I have visited Japan and Indonesia, and tomorrow I will be in China. I was very impressed by my visit to Indonesia, a young democracy that is demonstrating to the world that democracy, Islam, modernity, and women’s rights can coexist. I met elected women officials. I met high appointed members in the foreign ministry and other cabinet positions in the government. It would be hard to imagine the progress that Indonesia has made in the last ten years, moving from a stagnant autocracy to a burgeoning democracy, without women being part of the reason.

And on Sunday, I’ll meet with women in China to hear about their efforts to improve opportunities for themselves in their own country, another reason why women have to lead the way if there’s going to be higher standards of living, a healthier population, and an actively engaged citizenry.

But no country has yet achieved full equality for women. We still have work to do, don’t we? And just a few weeks ago, President Obama signed into law a new provision protecting women from salary discrimination, a step that was overdue. So there is a lot ahead of us to ensure that gender equality, as President Lee mentioned, becomes a reality. And we also need to remain vigilant against a backlash that tries to turn the clock back on women and human rights, countries where leaders are threatened by the idea of freedom and democracy and women are made the scapegoats. The abuses of women under the Taliban are horrific reminders that just as women had been central to progress in countries like ours, the reverse can happen as well.

Some of you may have seen the news reports some weeks ago of young girls in Afghanistan who were so eager to go to school, and every day they went off with a real light in their eyes because they were finally able to learn.
And one day, a group of these young girls were assaulted by a group of Taliban men who threw acid on them because they had the desire to learn. We have to remain vigilant on behalf of women’s rights.

We see this kind of suppression in different forms in different places. In Burma, the valor of Aung San Suu Kyi, who won the Nobel Peace Prize for her courageous struggle for freedom of expression and conscience. To the North, 70 percent of those leaving North Korea in search of a better life are women, a sad commentary on the conditions in their own country.

So part of my message during this trip and part of my mission as Secretary of State is that the United States is committed to advancing the rights of women to lead more equitable, prosperous lives in safe societies. I view this not only as a moral issue, but as a security issue. I think that it’s imperative that nations like ours stand up for the rights of women. It is not ancillary to our progress; it is central.

In 1995, when I went to the United Nations Conference on Women in Beijing and said that women’s rights were human rights, and human rights were women’s rights, people were so excited. But that to me was almost a sad commentary that we had to say something so obvious toward the end of the [twentieth] century.

So here we are in the [twenty-first] century, and every day we make progress, but we can’t be complacent. We have to highlight the importance of inclusion for women. We have to make clear that no democracy can exist without women’s full participation; no economy can be truly a free market without women involved.

I want to use robust diplomacy and development to strengthen our partnerships with other governments and create collaborative networks of people and nongovernmental organizations to find innovative solutions to global problems – what we call smart power.

Today, I’ve come to this great women’s university to hear your thoughts about the future. The other night in Tokyo, I had the privilege to listen to students at Tokyo University, and I came away not only impressed by their intelligence and the quality of their questions, but encouraged by their concern about the future that lay ahead and what each of them wanted to do to make it better.

Today, I’ve held bilateral meetings with your president, your prime minister, and your foreign minister. We have discussed issues like the need to continue the Six-Party Talks to bring about the complete and verifiable denuclearization in North Korea, and how we can better coordinate not only between ourselves, but regionally and globally, on the range of issues that confront us. But in each meeting, we took time to reflect about how far this country has come.

Back in the early 1960s, there were a series of studies done where different groups were looking at nations around the world, trying to calculate which ones would be successful at the end of the 20th century. And many commentators and analysts thought that the chances for the Republic of Korea were limited. But that wasn’t the opinion of the people of Korea. And so for 50 years, you have built a nation that is now assuming a place of leadership in the world, respected for the vibrant democracy, for the advances across the board in every walk of life. And it is a tribute to your understanding of what it takes to make progress at a time of peril and uncertainty.

The relationship between the United States and Korea is deep and enduring, and it is indispensible to our shared security. Without security, children can’t even imagine their futures and may not have the potential to actually live up to their talents. Our two countries have joined together as a force for peace, prosperity, and progress. Korean and American soldiers have served shoulder-to-shoulder in so many places around the world.
We know that the most acute challenge to stability and security in Northeast Asia is the regime in North Korea, and particularly its nuclear program. It bears repeating that President Obama and I are committed to working through the Six-Party Talks. We believe we have an opportunity to move those forward and that it is incumbent upon North Korea to avoid provocative actions and unhelpful rhetoric toward the people and the leaders of the Republic of Korea. Remember that the North Korean Government committed to abandoning all nuclear weapons and returning at an early date to the Treaty of Nonproliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

And I make the offer again right here in Seoul: If North Korea is genuinely prepared to completely and verifiably eliminate their nuclear weapons program, the Obama Administration will be willing to normalize bilateral relations, replace the peninsula’s longstanding armistice agreement with a permanent peace treaty, and assist in meeting the energy and other economic and humanitarian needs of the Korean people.

Also essential to our shared security and prosperity is a resolution to the global economic crisis. Korea and the United States have both benefited from a strong economic relationship, and your leaders and I today discussed ways we can develop that relationship further. We are going to work on a vision of a much more comprehensive strategic relationship. We want more partnerships to bring not just government leaders together, but business and professional and academic and political and people-to-people. We want to work with Korea so that both of us will be leaders in getting at the root causes of global climate change and vigorously pursuing a clean energy agenda. And I applaud your country for being a global leader in this area, and for calling on the ingenuity and skills of the Korean people to promote green technologies that will create jobs and protect our planet and enhance our security.

Students here at Ewha have a long and proud tradition of engagement with the world. And you have the talent and the training to help shape that world. It may not be always obvious what you can do to make a difference, so do what you love. Do what gives you meaning. Do what makes life purposeful for you. And make a contribution.

I don’t know that Mary Scranton, who founded this university teaching one student in her home, could have ever dreamed of where we would be today. But that’s often the way life is. I never could have dreamed that I could be here as the Secretary of State of the United States either. (Applause.) You have to be willing to prepare yourselves and as you are doing to take advantage of the opportunities that arise, to find cooperative ways to work with others to promote the common good, and then follow your dreams. You may not end up exactly where you started out heading toward, but with your education and with the opportunities now available in your country, there is so much that you can do. And I know that you will be well-equipped to make your contribution that will contribute to the peace and prosperity and progress and security, not only of Korea, but of the region and the world that needs and is waiting for your talents.
Thank you all and God bless you. (Applause.)
And now we’re going to have some questions, I think, right? (Laughter.)

[Secretary Clinton’s meeting continued]

130 Responses

  1. Heidi, you must be always so busy at Georgetown, but have you ever traveled to Asia, to Korea, or to Ehwa by chance..

  2. I have taught at the University of Tokyo; and I have just been invited to address a large academic conference to be held in Beijing, but have not had the opportunity to go to South Korea. I would go in a heartbeat if asked and if I can get funded (just airfare and expenses) – this is how an academic gets to see the world.

    Ehwa sounds great doesn’t it.

    By the way, Three Wickets, you may find it of especial interest that I am giving a talk in Oxford this summer – I am a fellow cricket fan, now outing myself.

    • Wow, Tokyo U. If you’re going to speak in Beijing, you should drop by Seoul. Ehwa as you may know is the Tokyo U or Oxford of S Korea, for women. Let me know if you’d like contacts..seriously..

      Naomi’s an Oxford grad. Maybe you could put her in her place when you speak this summer.

      • I’d love contacts, 3W – my funding to Beijing may depend on where else I can get gigs (smile). Drop me an email at HLFblogger at gmail dot com if you can.

        • Give me a couple of days.. 🙂

          • Heidi Li ,

            Thank YOU so much for posting this ..Hillary is a bright light , as always… and you are a beacon .
            How exciting to think that you will be speaking in Bejing . For a part of my life , I had vivid dreams in Chinese , and sometimes , when I looked in the mirror ; I would be surprised to see an occidental face looking back at me .
            Now, I am always especially excited and gratified to see that my podcast of Goddess Radio has been downloaded from Beijing, and other parts of China and Japan ..

            If you need a nurse to accompany you east……. 😉

  3. Teaching at Tokyo Law School involved some culture shock. Not so much in dealing with people as people, but Tokyo did not, at the time have even one woman full professor on the law faculty and again at the time (1990s) people seemed to find this unthinkable.

    • A lot of Japanese women are trying hard. I had the privilege of hiring women undergrads from Tokyo U. Smart and ambitious as anyone there or here. Law schools in East Asia are extremely elite institutions, for men, as you experienced. There are far fewer lawyers per capita than the US. But the women Millenials in Japan and in the region are coming on. It’s just a matter of time.

  4. Thank you for sharing Hillary’s speech, Heidi Li. It’s great to know that she is talking about women’s rights on her trip.

    • This is what I find so noteworthy. She’s using the office of the Secretary of State to speak about women’s empowerment. Which is more than our President is using his office for. Incredible, in many senses.

      • Will she be talking about women’s empowerment on her potential visit to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, or any other Middle Eastern countries where women are denied of the most basic rights? Or will she be cautious not to offend their dictator governments?
        What really bugs me is the United States officials always talk about human rights, women’s rights in China but they keep their mouths shut when it comes to these Middle Eastern countries.
        Ok, it’s not fair for Japan’s law schools to be dominated by males but what about women in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc whom are not allowed to drive, to vote, or have their independent identities?
        They just cannot select a few countries such as Japan to talk about women’s empowerment where they have far more rights than those in the Middle East and claim they care about women’s rights!

  5. Heidi, Thank you for posting Secretary Clinton’s speech. She is so wonderful. I also read the questions and answers section, and my eyes welled up with tears at times. She is a very special person, and is shining in this new position.

    • I’m glad you think it worthwhile just to reprint the speech, with some emphases. I can’t really add to what Secretary Clinton says, but we are all so busy it is easy to miss out on what she says. Folks send me links for 51 Percent or just out of the blue and when I got the link to this, I thought well, let’s just hear Sec. Clinton speak for herself.

      • I’m always amazed at the quality of her speeches. They are consistently comprehensive, but she explains concepts and ideas in a manner that everyone can understand. The ability to do this, is a special skill and gift. Bill Clinton also has this talent. Every video clip or picture that I have seen, Secretary Clinton is positively glowing. This role seems to suit her, and she is happy.

  6. Here’s Obama today with his weekly youtube address. So he can read a camera prompter as well. Nice words, nothing we don’t know already. Doesn’t make me more confident about the future. Where are the specifics.

  7. I was thinking of sending MoDo a “chimp” but it looks as though the Obama blush is beginning to wear thin on her.

    • A chimp? LOL!

    • It’s not fun to kiss up to Barky for the next 4 years. MoDo is at her best when she’s at her most poisonous. So now that she got Barky, she’s going to eviscerate him. She’s basically an amoral opportunist.

      • Yup. A steel cage match between BO & MoDo would be just about perfect. We could make a fortune selling tickets to clueless Obots for the First Annual World Championship Rope-A-Hope.

  8. Maureen is a weasel, no doubt about it. But she was so charmed by The One that I am a little surprised that she is out of love so soon.

    • Maureen is not a weasel.

      She’s a lying crapweasel.

      • Last week, the price per share of NYT stock hit a point lower than the newstand price of the Sunday paper. They’re really doing great 🙂

    • The Times may be going down faster than anyone may have wished. Think Maureen may be looking for a job in the blogosphere soon. Slate, Salon, Daily Beast. But do these places pay. Not what she’s used to probably..

      • MoDo better quite picking on his Oliness if the Times is headed for the dumpster where it belongs.

        If she isn’t nice she won’t get a job in the Obama Administration like so many of her collegues have done. Not only a swinging door between lobbyists and government is there?

  9. I love Hillary. Enough said.

    I have been getting the SoS e-mails and only really open the “Secretary’s Remarks” ones. I read every single one of them to remind myself daily of how America got robbed.

    • What I also loved about the trip scrubs is that in every one of the four countries, it is not protocol for the head of state to necessarily make time for the secretary of state. But all four Presidents made the time, and not reluctantly. They were all extremely eager to spend time with her. Even some of the local press was surprised. They respect her as a leader, not just as someone who might carry the right title.

        • And gratifying. I need to see/hear more of this as counter balance to endless Vogue and Vanity Fair covers of the Obamas.

          • Absolutely. These cover stories are becoming absurd- parodies of themselves.

          • Yeah, jb, I’m sick of the Obama covers, too. Even down here in Oz, he (and MO) is everywhere.

            Agree, too, with 3W – the leaders WANT to meet Hillary. Almost as if they know who the real leader is.

          • That candid photo of SOS Hillary in her bright blue suit with her bright blue eyes was more breathtaking than any airbrushed, photoshopped Vogue set-up could ever manage. The woman positively glows – and so do those around her. She’s what oldtimers might call ‘quality’.

  10. scrubs: Me too. I sometimes get more than one a day.

    • Pat J and scrubs, I get the bulletins too and now that I know others do I won’t reprint too much here. But this speech in particular touched me – that’s why I added my emphases. These were phrases that resonated with me.

      • This speech was particularly good and kind of fitting considering her history of speeches in China but I have to say that even her short little remarks (like in the press conferences) are full of wisdom. This stuff often comes off the top of her head, no teleprompter or script required. I SOOOOOO love that about her (among other things).

  11. What do you think of the threaded comments? I’m worried about the conversational aspects, but can appreciate some of the clarity.

    Hi Scrubs–I have missed you! xxxooPat too!

    • I agree with both your observations joanieb.

      • Heidi, I commented on the last post that it is the sometimes silly, spontaneous, and conversational aspects on what was once this unstructured blog that built this site as a family. And family it is.

        • Yes, and I’m missing that in this new format but we’ll have to see what others think.

          • When the new nesting format was, um, hatched today, new commenters seemed to appear with it. I’m thinking that they might have felt more confident about posting in a format which encourages direct responses. Perhaps the new nesting, (which some of us really appreciate) could be balanced with unstructured open threads which are more free form?

    • Ha! I’m getting confused but have been on blogs that used this style before so I will get used to it again.

      I miss you too joaniebone – we are hardly EVER around at the same time these days. Likely because I have been full on busy down here.

      • Scrubs, and I up here–but I have you in mind during my commenting here ( especially the off-colored ones..) and just last night threatened again to visit you. I swear, I will make it happen. Could I bring my boys?

        What has kicked you into such high gear?

        • I said that and then had to go away to prep dinner for the twins. jb, you are more than welcome to visit and there is heaps of room for you and your kids.

          The exchange rate for you is brilliant right now, too.

  12. Heidi: We can never get enough information. Keep passing it along!

    • OK, Pat. I hear that. With so much going on, and then just regular life we need to help each other through the info smog!

      • Just taking this moment to write a fan comment to your Heidi Li. I so enjoy your reasoned, informed posts. I also enjoy your reasonable outrage where it is warrented.

        Please keep up the good work. We need voices like yours.

  13. Maybe somebody can send Modo a 51 Percent lapel pin?! :>)

  14. joaniebone: I am trying to get used to it. RD said it was a trial run.

    How the heck are you?

    • Pat, I realize that I am falling behind here, with so little time to keep up on either the posts or the comments. Without applying my full mind, my own commenting has been so simpleminded and/or silly that I feel like just lurking. (Which I mostly do…) I have to battle a feeling of intellectual inferiority anyway here, compounded by the fact that I can’t type.

      As for life outside the Confluence, I maintain that in this unstable world, I am one of the lucky ones. I have made friends with one of the residnts of my community, and she is such a treasure, I can’t stop smiling.

      • But it is refreshing to know that you have found a niche and can put your talents to work once again. And finding a new friend is exciting in itself. So although I miss your humor and insights, I am happy that you are achieving another run at life!

        • It’s miraculous. Really. I have an incredible great path ahead, both socially and career-wise. My new friend is 84, and has to speak through a cylinder that reads the vibrations of her vocal cords. Yet she is a dazzling wit and the most incredibly elegant woman. She has been leading the fine art community here for decades. I am ga-ga over her—trotted my boys over to see her on my day off. It will be the greatest challenge of my job to deal with attachments and loss.

          • Now if we could just add a nice, upstanding, empathetic male into the equation that would round out the picture for you!

  15. too bad our atty general couldn’t have been as positive and encouraging. we have four years of racism and race baiting. i’d love to see some gender baiting. haha.

    • It really is pathetic. Am I the only one who does not find a single cabinet appointment impressive other than Clinton? Is this really the best the Democratic Party could put together?

      • Yes. Sorry to say, but yes.

      • The appointments have been pathetic. The HHS appointment has me concerned. I don’t like any of the candidates.

      • Heidi, Shaun Donovan at HUD is a great pick. He was really good in that position in NYC. Very creative and proactive, and worked for low and middle income housing as it has been disappearing here.

        • Hey nycblue, thought Adolfo Carrion was HUD, my mistake probably. Not sure how I feel about Sebelius for HHS.

          • An hour later, sorry just got back. Adolfo Carrion is the Director of
            Urban affairs or something like that.

            Let’s hope Sibelius doesn’t make any speeches (snore). Although since
            I’m not sleeping well it might actually help….

        • I’m not so sure about Donovan and “mixed income housing.” They’re having problems with that concept everywhere it’s being tried from what I understand, and he’s a proponent of it.

      • Just a couple of examples of other potential appointments.

        Treasury: It could have been offered to Joe Stiglitz, Krugman, Roubini, or Dean Baker. Though they might have turned it down, all of them represent a marked change from the previous occupant. Geithner, he’s been there all along in the Fed helping create this mess..

        Defense: Kick Gates to the curb. No lack of people for this post. Larry Korb, Anthony Zinni, Wes Clark, and more.

        Are these the best people? Hell no.

      • Well, there were some others, but Hillary seems to have stolen them all for the State Dept. 😉

    • From time to time, Joe Scarborough gives Tweety a hard time when he guest visits on Morning Joe. Introduces Tweety as the favorite patron of NOW. Not exactly gender baiting, but as good as NBC gets..

  16. I wonder if Burris is thinking over his decision to stay or leave. They gave him the weekend to decide. I say he stays. What does he have to lose? He already has “senator” inscribed on his personal monument back in Illinois. It would be a waste of money to have it removed.

    That whole Illinois bunch is remarkable to say the least. Right out of ” The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight”.

  17. thursday night i was at the local watering hole with a group of men and woman of several races. talk came around to the atty gen calling us cowards on race and one of my non puma women friends who voted for obama started ranting about how she wished the atty general had be commenting on women and sexism. i was so proud and amazed. we both work in a male dominated work place and have seen and heard most all of it in our 40 some years of working.

  18. Pat, ran out of room on out mini-thread,, but would be okay with simply a standing male.

  19. joanie: You just need to raise your standards. Someone who eats with a fork, has eyes both looking straight ahead, and changes his undershirt every day. Start small and work up!

    • Well, a simple standard could be 1) he has parts 2) doesn’t describe them on the first date 3) wears clothes mostly

      Beyond that, I would like to be with a man that I don’t frighten.

  20. Oh yeah, I forgot that the mini-threads run out after 5. My head is spinning.

  21. The problem with this new format is that I am missing some of myiq’s comments (Cannot believe I am actually saying this out loud!).

  22. I feel like I am reading Arabic!

  23. The way this chat gizmo is set up, it’s sorta like we are all human “return” typewriters. You go down three levels, someone slaps you on the side of the head, you return and start all over again.

    • Well, I’m barely managing with two windows and two tabs open. Guess I could get used to it. Key seems to the the Recent Comments vertical strip.

      But when it is a medium or very busy posting period, this threading format asks that one give up the luxury of reading every comment (at least in real time), something people have probably gotten used to. Hey, is this what gerrymandering feels like..

  24. we also need to remain vigilant against a backlash that tries to turn the clock back on women and human rights, countries where leaders are threatened by the idea of freedom and democracy and women are made the scapegoats.

    Gee I can think of a so called leader of US who resembles the last part of Hillary’s quote can you? Prolly coincidence. 😉 😀

    Good thread. Thanks.
    Anyone who came out to see Hillary on her Maiden Voyage, most certainly went away changed forever. I mean, being in the presence of Hillary is electric and it is difficult to stay quiet. The crowd is always inclined to applaud or shout with glee. Funny how that happens everywhere that ‘Diplomasi’ Hillary goes. Madame Secretary Hillary is not someone you decide to like and then find out about who she is. Madame Secretary Hillary is someone whom “to know her is to love her”.
    I hope she has a great, restful weekend after spinning circles around her crew during her Maiden Voyage.

    Most importantly, Hillary has not let us down. She’s still fighting for us. Now the people in Asia got to experience Hillary. It was a successful and thrilling voyage. I loved watching it unfold. Hillary always makes me feel secure. She prolly affects many people that way.

    I got a real kick out of the girls in Jakarta dancing and singing on the bleachers/stage for Hillary. That was fun and they sounded great.
    Work it Hillary!
    I’m going to borrow the Mohammed Ali saying and use it for Madame Secretary Hillary…
    “Floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee”

  25. Prolix: lol!!! And I would really hate to miss one of your bon mots as well!

    • I think everyone is having withdrawal from yesterday’s pie fight — it was a thing of beauty it was…

      • I understand civil suits are pending. Prolix, you were out there with your lance and your foil I would be afraid. Very afraid.

  26. Pie fight? Which one was that? CL?

    • Yes, it was Crispy Lemon Pie ala boob.

    • Necessity is the mother of invention, and everyone got very inventive. Mob creativity if you will. Got the job done. RD will forgive, I’m sure of it, or maybe not so sure..

  27. and, i forgot to say what a truly lovely speech that was. thanks so much for posting it. i wish i had someone of hillary’s caliber (is there anyone?) when i was in college and graduating. what a kick ass role model.
    i saw her once at one of the most beautiful setting on the coast of california outdoors when bill was running the first time. she wore a yellow suit, looked just stunning, and her speech, with no notes was just wonderul. talk about someone who can give a speech off of the cuff of her yellow suit!

  28. Alright. A medium long joke.

    There was a Japanese, Italian and American stranded on a desert island. They decided to delegate roles in order to survive. The Italian said, well I used to farm, so I guess I could grow some FOOD. The American said, I used to be an architect, so I guess I could build us SHELTER. They looked at the Japanese guy. He said, well I was just an salaryman in an office, so I don’t know if I can help. Maybe I could take care of the SUPPLIES. The other two said, alright, whatever.

    So ten years go by, and a cruise ship happens on the island and saves the stranded men. As they walk on shore, they are impressed by the crops, by the thatched huts, and the Italian and American take due credit. Then the rescue party asks, hey wasn’t there a third guy, a Japanese man, with you also. The Italian and American say, yes absolutely, but you know he walked off into the woods ten years ago and we haven’t seen him since.

    The whole group goes marching into the wood, looking for the Japanese man. They search until dusk, and they’re about to give up until they think they hear a slight rustling coming out of a cave. So the whole group make a semi circle infront of the cave, and they yell into the cave, hellooo therrre, we are hear to rescue you, are you in there?? Silence for the few moments..

    Then all of a sudden, the Japanese guy leaps out the cave infront of the whole rescue party, and shouts with glee,


    (If you don’t get this joke the first time, you are a better human being than me. And to shield myself, I have to say this joke was told to me by a Japanese American friend.)

    • That was wonderfully terrible , I will now go to bed chuckling … especially because I once used to ask a friend from Shanghai to help me with Chinese pronunciation , and it was hilarious for them 🙂 …probably still is

      • Well, I spent three years in Japan trying to learn Japanese, and I was a constant source of amusement for them. It’s a complicated society, but I know of no country where the people are so genuinely polite, gracious, and generous.

  29. Thank you Heidi for this. God, I wish the best person for the job wouldn’t have been destroyed by her own party so that we could have had her as our President. Everything she said in this speech is dead on. I know I’ve told y’all about this organization before, but if you would like to do a little something to help empower women in war-torn countries, please consider sponsoring one through Women for Women International.

  30. Hillary in Beijing on the global economy:

  31. Hi 3W- nice quiet afghan song for you, this morning!!!!

  32. And for helenk-working on the railroad!!!!

  33. Yet another for helenk ((((coming home from work)))-Johnny Mathis -Chances Are:

  34. Jeesus, I mean Jeebus, Laurie. I’ve been to Karachi, and I’ve had some excuse for Afghan food in the States, but that’s serious down home music. I enjoyed much. Nothing quite so ethnic back at you, but again Thievery keeps pushing East.

  35. Love the Notting Hillbillies. Hope helenk likes the railroad song. Sunday morning, hope she’s not working.

    Also loved that classic Mathis. Here’s a couple from Julie London. Version of Fly Me To The Moon which is nice, and no one does Sway like her. For helenk also.

  36. Don’t think I’d have made it through college without Patsy Cline.

  37. Electronica Flamenco Blues..

  38. Thanks for the thievery wickets -here’s one of my favorite albums-“Ragas and Sagas”, Jan Gabarek (Norway) and Ustad Fateh Ali Khan (Pakistan):

    (now I’ll go off and listen to Patsy C.)

  39. Electronica Gregorian Chant..

  40. Wickets-Boards of Canada-Music is Maths!!!!

    Was listening to this with my son the other day at lunch-he’s really into electronic music(passes hours composing his own) but Boards of Canada are one of the few I can really listen to a whole album of…

  41. Bye Wickets- am off to get lunch ready….

  42. Thanks for Boards of Canada. Will take time with that, sounds good. Here’s one down memory lane. Ciao.

  43. For Fat Tuesday. Good morning.

    • It is instructive to compare Sect’y Clinton’s brilliant contribution to society to US News’s trivial stupidity.

  44. Good morning. Hillary gives me confidence. She knows how to credit progress, note current failings and inspire to greater progress.

    In the midst of recession and fears of a long painful haul, I am looking for resilience in myself and others to get through this with compassion and determination.

  45. Thank you Prof. Li – Sect’y Clinton is showing her brilliance on many levels.

    Constructive criticism for commenters: I think this discussion would be much more interesting if it stayed on topic.

  46. i hate to say this but..if we give hillary to much credit for..well..anything…then obama will resent it and try to get rid of her. he wants to be the ONLY ONE who is admired.

  47. Voting is open on the Nested Comments issue!!!

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