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Monday: “Obsessive Deadenders” {{snarf!!}}

Korean Bibimbap for Hillary for lunch

Korean Bibimbap for Hillary for lunch

First, there was Biden’s wife accidentally slipping up on purpose on Oprah. She said that Joe was first pick for Secretary of State. Oddly enough, I think there is a grain of truth to that. Joe probably wanted SOS and Hillary was destined for VP in order to solidify her support for Obama. But my guess is that she made it pretty clear up front that she wasn’t interested in being deep sixxed for four years so don’t even ask. (Of course, we’ll never really know what went on in DiFi’s study. We merely speculate based on what *we* would have done.) So, Joe had to settle for VP instead of jetting around the world flashing his UltraBrite smile.
Then, there was the suggestion that Jim Jones, the national security advisor, was really running things and had rigged the internals so that nothing from State actually counted. But then we remembered that George Mitchell and Richard Holbrooke, who are serving as envoys to Obama, are Clinton loyalists. Holbrooke was her Foreign Policy advisor on her campaign. So, Samantha Powers may not get her way like she hoped. The “Monster” may win this round. But it was a good meme for awhile there and no doubt, there are many people who prematurely celebrated the demise of La Clinton.

Now, the new meme is that those of us who are following Hillary’s career at State are “obsessive deadenders”. This is coming from “friendly” blogs What a crock of horse hockeys. We are very aware that Hillary is not the president. She’s likely never going to be president. The progressive blogosphere 1.0 saw to that. But it would be really stupid to pretend she doesn’t have power. She’s the second most powerful politician in America after Obama. The eyes of the world are on her as she makes her maiden voyage to Asia as our new Secretary of State. She’s got more gravitas in her little pinky than Obama has in his entire jock strap. Whether the Obama adminstration and media like it or not, she’s important.

The world *loves* her. Her employees lover her. We all know now that her plans for the economy were the right ones. We’re not obsessive deadenders. We were right. And we’re going to follow Hillary’s brilliant career at State as if she is the Foreign President.

Bwahahahahahahhhhh!

On another note:

In general, we do not like to accuse people of being spies or trolls. It’s impolite and it doesn’t add to the spirit of the site to be exclusive. We feel it is better to be friendly when we can be. Our policy is to “reward good behavior”, not to perform a version of political ethnic cleansing when we find heterodoxy. Of course, there are times when we have to delete users or comments for being “trollish”. The reasons for doing this is left to the discretion of the administrators but you can probably expect to be thrown into the spam filter if you meet the following criteria:
1.) You have introduced talking points or propaganda that smell like they came straight from David Axlerod’s ass.
2.) You are aggressive and abrasive and cannot engage in a discussion without insulting your audience.
3.) You stalk users or comments.
4.) You intentionally attempt to pit one group of users against another to cause disruption and dissent. (You highjack a thread)

We have a moderation queue. Certain trigger words in a comment will automatically get you thrown in the moderation queue. It happens to everyone eventually so don’t take it personally. One of the trigger words is “racist”. If you type that word in a comment, we don’t know whether you are saying: “You old, ugly PUMAs are racists” or “I’m an old ugly, PUMA but I’m no racist.”. The comment has to be examined in context to see if it is a comment that Anglachel might have written or one that I might have written. Once that ambiguity is cleared up, the comment is released or thrown into the spam filter where no one can hear you scream. So, don’t take it personally if you end up in the queue. There are other trigger words culled from the propaganda comments of the hired Obama commenters but they are more rarely invoked than “racist” and “racism”. Now that Krugman, Atrios and Kos are racists too, maybe this trigger word will lose its mojo and we can take it out of the queue eventually.

We have some long time commenters who are Republican here. Actually, they having identity problems. They’re not really Republicans but they have to figure that out for themselves. (I’m joking. Ok, not really) We are a liberal blog and the Republicans know it. But we like these commenters because they add something to our blog and we want them to continue to comment here. We don’t approve of “purity”. We do not insist that people stick to a prescribed set of doctrines but we do have a credo. You can read it in the tabs at the top of the page. But just because we have our minds wide open doesn’t mean our brains have fallen out. So, there is a lot of room for discussion and debate in a friendly atmosphere where people from many points of view can participate.

One other thing: We didn’t endorse any candidate for president. There are some blogs who think we converted to McCain after the convention. This is incorrect. We dissociated ourselves from the Just Say No Deal coalition once we realized that it was their intent to work with the McCain campaign. We endorsed many Democrats for the House and the Senate. However, many of our front posters, including yours truly, voted for McCain as a protest, not out of any fondness for Republican policies. We cried bitter tears afterwards but we didn’t want to reward the DNC for the way they invalidated our votes during the primary season. We believe that narrowed Obama’s margin of victory. Good. The DNC knows we’re out here and they will probably continue to take steps to minimize our impact. Like by calling us Obsessive Deadenders.

Too damn bad. We don’t really care what they call us. We’re here to stay.

95 Responses

  1. I love you, Riverdaughter. Will you be my Valentine?

  2. I’ve been called a lot worse, and did not break down in hysterical tears.

  3. I want nice Republicans to be welcome here. People can’t take things personally (as I have learned), but at the same time I think we shouldn’t demonize people because they aren’t Democrats. We should focus on the issues.

  4. We ARE here to stay. We may have to buck each other up and jolly each other along but we know – because the desert of the Bush years taught us this much – that dissent is important. This doesn’t mean we cannot or do not or will not applaud the current administration when it acts intelligently (and I will applaud them when they act liberally). Indeed, I applauded President Obama for putting Senator Clinton in his cabinet as Secretary of State.

    But to prefer one political figure to another, even within one party, is the very definition of politics. If we Democrats or former-Dems-turned-independents don’t get that then we might as well throw in the towel now and surrender to totalitarianism.

  5. REPEAT

    PUMAS = brains and backbone

    smart enough to see through the facade
    strong enough to withstand the name calling and fools

    One of the likes I like about this website is the different voices and ideas. If one listens, one can learn.
    I do not have to agree with everyone, but I do myself a disservice if I do not listen and learn from everyone.

    I do not see name calling or discourtesy being tolerated here and that is a good thing

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  6. should read one of the things I like about this website.

    too early on a rainy Monday

  7. Civil discourse. That’s the ticket.

  8. I’ve been gone for a few days. Good to see the Confluence is light again.

  9. 2 points:

    1) Thank you RD for making these stmts and welcoming conservative leaning types like me welcome in an explicit way

    2) I love love love bibimbap and Korean food of all kinds, even the icky stuff that most westerners don’t like. Seeing that photo made me hungry

  10. The more people scream that I have to pick a particular choice without a rationale to explain why the more I discount them. One of thereasons I like the Confluence is because you don’t ram choices down people’s throats. You allow arguments(civilly presented) to unfold so people can make a decision.

    I do believe labels are getting in the way. Sadly, I think it has alot to do with the fact that the last decades political discourse has consisted mainly of insults. Sarah Palin self identifies as a conservative. That being said she went back to her state and increased social spending on programs such as Head Start. Is that liberal or conservative? Progressive punch identifies Barack Obama as a liberal yet when push came to shove initially he was against infrastructure spending and spending on programs such as Oil for Seniors. Is that liberal or conservative? The labels get in the way. I’d much rather look at the person as a whole and their actions then just a label. If that makes me a traitor or a deadender or any other name that has been hurled at me for voting my conscience so be it.

  11. With this administration, I have had a difficult time discerning the difference between a democrat and a republican.

  12. I love you Too, Riverdaughter. I am PUMA to the end. Oh, and I quit reading Anglachel right after she announced that ” SHE WAS NO PUMA!”. For myself, I always found her pompous and just too odd and eccentric a person for me. She has shown herself to be no better than Jeralyn – just in it for the traffic.

  13. I am here to stay with you…and thanks again for being here.

  14. I would guess that the posts from your Republican followers are less offensive than posts from the Obots. Probably more rational too.

  15. I would guess that the posts from your Republican followers are less offensive than posts from the Obots. Probably more rational too.

    Posts consisting of random letters and numbers would be more rational than most posts from the Obots.

  16. I came here as an independent who votes many times for republicans and sometimes for democrats depending on what they say they will do on certain issues, just like repubs. The only problem I have really ever had with Obama is not even his eligibility,(which I feel certain in my gut) he is not eligible, by the way, but I dont like knowing our President’s father was born in Africa (that goes for many different countries by the way) because it just brings a conflict of interest with it no matter how you slice the pie. I just dont think he loves this country, excuse me, like McCain, Bush, HIllary, or Sarah Palin, i will even throw old Joe Biden in there. Obama has too many relatives of influence, period, and I never forget the saying “blood is thicker than water.”
    With all of Hilary’s class, charismatic demeanor, no matter what great things she does for this country, Obama will say, “Secretary Clinton took MY message
    to (whatever country) and I would like to thank her for
    taking MY message that I asked her to deliver. He doesnt love this country like many of us do, he loves it because it was in this country he was able to speedily access two senator seats by smoozing and by (an unknown force) we have yet to uncover, and to quite truthful, will unlikely never know who, what, when or where. This bailout makes what Blagavitch did in Illonois as governor look like child’s play. YOu dont do what Blago did, without thinking that’s the way others work it. He aint that smart. It is how they play there.
    Obama played like that. Remember Bill Richardson, well, Obama didnt care if he was ever able to put Bill in place in his administration, he just wanted his endorsement at a crucial time. He knew Bill was under investigation, but the public didnt. Who knows how many others he did the same thing too. He had to get this money so quickly, doesnt it scare anyone?

  17. elderj — we will always love & welcome you here! I honestly think that when some one on here writes “evil Republicans” or some such thing they are writing about the party in general, not individuals like yourself — in the same way I say “corrupt Democrats” now — I’m talking about the upper echelon of the party, not individual voters registered Democrat. So, please keep that in mind if you read anything about the big bad scary GOP! 🙂

    Thanks for this post RD — love it.

  18. LOL, Nadai.

    And that’s my erudite, deeply thought out addition to this thread – my ‘to do’ list is getting waaaay out of hand.

  19. I love RD & the Conf.

    ps: If anyone thinks I’m a Republican? I’ve been a Dem since forever — the 80’s. I didn’t cry when I made my protest vote — but I remember that day — very well.

    The year I chose Nader over Gore — well…

    We saw too much this year — we saw it all.
    I was for Hillary then, and am still — whatever position she ends up in —

    After the events of this year, I no longer feel I am part of ANY political party. I have no loyalty to a party that acted like this one has. I’m here to read what RD and the others write — it’s my main read — just like the paper is — actually before the paper…

    If I see a politician from ANY PARTY I feel I can trust — I’ll support them from now on — based on deeds.

    I guess I have to reregister as INDY like RD did, soon. I remember that day too. Certain events of this past year are EMBEDDED in my brain in ways you cannot imagine.

    It’s nice to be part of a “thinking” blog?

    It is.

    If I say something like a troll does, tell me okay?

    Yesterday sucked — but thank you MIQ2XU — !

    ps: I tend to be worried about larger things in the psychotherapeutic sense — that’s my lens…I expect anyone who has ever written a paper or a thesis knows how to do research?

    If I cite a ref — that is all I am doing. I like to think about what I just read — by RD and the others…

    Deeply.

    This is what I call a DEEP blog. Unlike a “lite” blog.

    It’s also a QUALITY blog, because of the writing…and the POV.
    I expect it will be around for a very long time. A very, very long time…

    It’s that fab.

  20. personally I declare “A pox on both their houses!”

  21. She’s got more gravitas in her little pinky than Obama has in his entire jock strap

    (insert size joke here)

  22. it seems rather curious that puma blogs are pretty much having the same discussion since the O has been failing.

    We have to re iterate over and over again that conservative view points are welcome.

    I can’t help but wonder.

    Also curious that since he is failing on many fronts, the same old arguments of the division from the past are rearing their ugly heads.

    I just can’t help but wonder.

    It is a waste of time and energy imho. falling for it is a distraction, just as it was before.

    PUMA’s don’t need to defend themselves.

  23. I would guess that the posts from your Republican followers are less offensive than posts from the Obots. Probably more rational too.

    They look and smell better too. (the commenters, not the comments)

  24. elderj

    That pretty much sums up my sentiment too. I wonder how many self identifying conservatives AND liberals feel the exact same way? I imagine those of us outside the beltway have more in common then we have been led to believe by political opportunists.

  25. Let me add re moderation:

    Spammy hates long comments and/or ones with multiple links.

  26. CWaltz — I agree with that sentiment — imo, the “average Joe” Republican & the “average Joe” Democrat are probably closer to each other but the problem is with those who are the “loudest” in the respective parties (neo-cons & neo-progs). Unfortunately, the average Joe Republican believes all Democrats = neo-progs & the average Joe Democrat believes all Republicans = neo-cons. Neither is right.

  27. I prefer cul – de- sacquer

    thank you very much

    ps my french suques as if you couldn’t tell

  28. TRK

    It superceded the administration for me between Iraq, FISA, reproductive choice, etc,etc. I saw the lines blurring along time ago. The politicians I see that I feel truly speak on behalf of me are few and far between. Pelosi certainly doesn’t give warm fuzzies regarding the Democratic party affiliation.

  29. Madam Secretary makes her maiden voyage to Asia and the ONLY observation to be made by Barbara Walters (via The View) is that Hillary’s coat was “too bulky” it made her appear “heavier”. And then, of course, the discussion devolved into her physical frame. These “ladies” are truly a vapid, vacuous bunch. Mizzzzzz Walters, have you no shame?

    Hillary representing our nation makes me VERY PROUD. Unfortunately, she looks to have her work cut out for her, trying to make the rest of that rat-filled administration appear the least bit decent.

  30. I think it is important every so often to state and restate basic principles that set the broad boundaries of our arena for public dialogue. What I value most about this blog is that it is remarkably free of the scurrilous that is presented as thought and is really intended as belittling and insulting. The basic anonymity of blogs seems to bring out the meanness in a whole lot of folks.

    I also like that I often learn and gain real insight from the posts on this blog. People bring information and resources here to share. I also like the basic perspective and philosophical stance of this blog. I feel I share a broad range of values with the people who post and comment here even tho’ I sometimes disagree with some statements—it is rarely if ever that I have disagreed because the statement was flat out offensive. RD I think you provide strong, principled and effective leadership.

  31. “average Joe” Republican & the “average Joe” Democrat are probably closer to each other

    I think the biggest difference is not in the goals we seek but in the means to acheive them.

  32. I think the biggest difference is not in the goals we seek but in the means to acheive them.

    _____________________________

    If that was the case, and each means met the same end goal, there would be no neeed for political parties.

  33. The thing that has caused me to lean ever more conservative is increasing distrust of the federal bureaucracy and the Washington bound leadership. Again and again Congress flatly ignores their constituencies in order to “decide what’s best for the American people.” Well frankly, that isn’t their job. If “We the People” want a stimulus package or don’t want one, it isn’t up to them to decide for us as if we were all some children who “really don’t understand the grown-up talk,” and need to be sent to our rooms.

    And Senators and Congressmen don’t represent their states and districts as much as they represent various interest groups in the political parties. One of the reasons I advocate for smaller government is because I don’t like the idea of random people in Washington spending my money without being held to account. There is a pervasive powerlessness in our system that is not at all what the founders intended.

  34. Hillary is the ONE consistent bright spot in the news for me … I have written off Barbara Walters and women on the View with the exception of Elizabeth ( and I wonder why she stays ; I fully expect her to have her own show on Fox soon 😉 ) and the Katie Courics and Rachel Maddows et al .. I think they are victims of a globally scaled cultural patriarchal equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome >
    Evidently some women have been prisoners of patriarchy for so long; they as hostages , classically show signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker. It is sad, but until they show signs of de-programming I have written them off ………as text book cases …….

  35. there would be no neeed for political parties

    Do we need political parties?

    Both parties try to convince everyone that the other party is evil and has undesireable goals. The parties seek to divide rather than unite us.

  36. Since only the early risers saw this 🙂 The only label I want is American. When any of the parties is out of line I can see clearly what to do.

    “Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

    This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

    The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

    … the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

    It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

    … in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. ”

    – George Washington
    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp

  37. help I’m in moderation

  38. taggles — I’m beginning to think there is no need for political parties — mainly because they all have one goal — enrich themselves while throwing a few bread crumbs to us peons to “make us happy” and pretend they are “on our side.” Bread & circuses indeed.

  39. myiq

    Liberals aren’t necessarily in sync with how to achieve things like health care. If they were we’d already have single payer.

    I think one of our problems bridging the gulf is there has been a lot of mischarecterizations. Instead of attacking ideas on merit what has seemed to happen in recent years is slandering peoples charecter. It’s one of the reasons I don’t find media pundits like Coulter or Olbermann entertaining. You can’t breach the gulf by namecalling. When you hurt peoples feelings one of two things usually happen A) they come back at you swinging or B) They shut down the conversation. Neither of those two options will solve any of the problems we are facing.

  40. I’m all for jettisoning political affiliation. I’d love to see a third party form myself. I am so sick of my options being bad and worse.

  41. Instead of attacking ideas on merit what has seemed to happen in recent years is slandering peoples charecter

    Yeah, calling people traitors or racists does tend to inhibit productive conversation

  42. Good ol’ George he was right on both counts. Political parties ands foreign entanglements haven’t been very good for the country.

  43. I don’t give a rat’s about the party system either.

  44. myiq — exactly — what does the average person want? A safe environment to raise their children, an opportunity to have a decent job for a decent wage & freedom to live their lives as they choose as long as it doesn’t harm someone else.

    Is that Republican or Democrat?

  45. Yes, we most definitely need political parties.

    One rule power would be the end of America as we know it.

    The problem we see today is both parties are using our differences to meet the same end goal. They are representing no one. They are only representing themselves.

  46. One rule power would be the end of America as we know it.

    This is America as we know it!!!

  47. CWaltz — average liberals (i.e. us peons) want UHC; D.C. & the Dem. Party do NOT. Lets just accept that — John Kerry said UHC was a non-starter back during the primary. The Dem. controlled Congress voted it down in 1993 when Clinton was president. The Dem. elites get their money from the insurance companies just like the Reps. do.

  48. Eek! Moderation!

  49. Angie, I agree with you, but on some issues, especially gay issues, your average joe republican is no where near where I am, in fact they’re probably closer to the obamacrats than real dems. that’s what is so frustrating. In NC they are having statewide events every tuesday this month to push for a constitutional amendment to prohibit gay marriage (we are one of the few southern states left without one, although there is a law on the books–they just want to make it iron clad in the const.)

    The Catholic Diocese of Raleigh is holding a news conference at the state legislature next Tuesday to push for the amendment. I plan on being as disruptive as possible at that press conference. If anyone is in NC and would like to join me, check out the post about it at my blog. Thanks to anyone who can help!

    http://garychapelhill.wordpress.com/2009/02/15/whats-next-the-inquisition-burning-witches-at-the-stake/

  50. “myiq — exactly — what does the average person want? A safe environment to raise their children, an opportunity to have a decent job for a decent wage & freedom to live their lives as they choose as long as it doesn’t harm someone else.

    Is that Republican or Democrat?”

    It’s American.

    Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness

  51. The country is basically being run by one party right now.

    How’s that working for anyone.

    The process is sick.

    That doesn’t mean we don’t need political parties or democracy.

  52. I should clarify in my comment by “they” I mean Republicans.

  53. I want to be in the Guerilla Cul de Sacque party …

  54. Wouldn’t it be loverly if all the candidates for office had to run as non-partisans?

    I dream of a time when this country has a fair election process. When the only $$$ candidates are allowed is a certain $$ amount of public funding, PACS are illegal, ballots are standardized (NO butterfly ballots), the polls are open from 7am to 10pm, all voters are registered with proof of legal age, citizenship and residency, NO votes are counted until the polls are closed across the country, and TV pundits, exit polls are projected “winners” are verboten.

    Sigh. A woman can dream can’t she?

  55. I don’t know the answer, but I do know that I really despise people using party labels to disparage others. I guess because I’m gay and have dealt with labels my whole life. I also despise party loyalty that would cause someone to vote for a fraud like obama just because he has a “D” beside his name.

  56. I’m in moderation!

  57. gary — true, but I think a lot of “rabble rousing” goes on in both parties to demonize the other side & cause hatred (ie toward gays for one example) that some people would just not have/feel if not for that rabble rousing by the leaders in the parties.

  58. the commenter (yes it’s me), on February 16th, 2009 at 1:53 pm Said:
    One rule power would be the end of America as we know it.

    This is America as we know it!!!

    _____________________________

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but you and I are actually saying two different things, right?. You are talking about the Dems being in control of the WH, Senate and House.

    Where I am talking about both parties, DEM and REP, being corrupt and colluding to bring us to the same ends which are not representative of what the American people have voted them into office for.

  59. Help! I’m being moderated! No! No! Get away! Don’t touch me…..

  60. korean food is great I love it!

    New RD thread UP-Bring your tinfoil hats!

  61. garychapelhill, on February 16th, 2009 at 1:55 pm Said:
    about the ban on gay mariage

    See this really TICKS ME OFF ……. where are the people who are worried about “catholic bashing” when this religious organisation pushes their own religious beleif system and agenda upon people in the guise of government ,which is abhoorent and the antithesis of the meaning of freedom of religion and to rub salt in the wound .. they dont pay a single penny in taxes
    HOW DARE THEY ………..

  62. KJMontanta — I share your dream.

    taggles — no, you & elderj are cross-talking — he is saying that both “parties” are really the same cr@p different names.

  63. I’m in moderation again! Dayum!

  64. Gary,

    I hate to say this but I wouldn’t be so quick to pin it on the GOP. It isn’t helpful when you have all the poiliticians regardless of political stripe out there saying marriage is between a man and a woman. I blame the push on people fearing things they don’t understand moreso than a particular political party. Sadly, there is a lot of work to do to make people understand that just because a choice isn’t the one you’d make doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be allowed. Diversity is a good thing, not a bad one.

  65. MYIQ: Yeah, calling people traitors or racists does tend to inhibit productive conversation

    Somehow VL at the “C” blog doesn’t get that. He’s still trying to figure out why RD thinks we’ve been mischaracterized.

  66. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you and I are actually saying two different things, right?. You are talking about the Dems being in control of the WH, Senate and House.

    Where I am talking about both parties, DEM and REP, being corrupt and colluding to bring us to the same ends which are not representative of what the American people have voted them into office for.

    You are wrong; we are in agreement. Whether the so-called Democratic Party (which has shown itself to be not so democratic after all) or the Republican Party (which seems to have no respect for our republic) is in power, neither of them seem concerned about anything other than the preservation of their own power, listening to other power brokers within the confines of the DC echo chamber, and running for re-election until they are defeated at which they parlay their political success into personal financial wealth. Hope that clears up my meaning.

  67. RD has a new tinfoil hat post up! Very WTF inducing.

  68. gary — I agree with CWaltz on that — my mom has some friends she works with who are gay (2 couples — one couple has been together longer than my parents have been married — and my parents have been married 41 years). These men were fixtures in my house growing up — dinner parties, Easter, Thanksgiving, etc. My father is a Republican but he doesn’t think these men shouldn’t be allowed to marry, leave property to each other, file joint taxes, etc. True, this is just an ancedotal story BUT I think that it shows that when people only know gay people as some “scary other weird thing” they are more easily manipulated into fearing them and using them as “the enemy” (much like the Jews were used as the “enemy” in Germany before WW2) — a convenient scapegoat.

  69. Shout out to SWANSPIRIT: if you see this, please drop me an email at hlfblogger at gmail dot com

  70. excellent post as usual RD — I most definitely jumped on early to McCain as a protest vote – but also I think because between the 2 I felt I could trust him more. It has taken me a bit to realize I am NOT a republican and after May 31st, 2008 I will NEVER be a democrat. Independent I will go.

    I have always found this blog to be welcoming – even though I think this past year I have grown more conservative or perhaps have a harder heart and Robin Hood is not the answer.

    The Dems and GOP don’t give a shit about us. We as society should stop blaming people for spending too much, buying the big house or living beyond their means. The banks and GOV’t have a much larger role. The GOV’T should really stop their madness and throwing away our money.

    OK, off the box and back to work and lurking.

  71. hey my comment was eaten? where’d it go?

  72. interesting study that shows the political make up of Catholics in 2008

    Click to access pr061808.pdf

    Surprise! They identified more with the Democrats than the GOP this cycle.

  73. gary: you know, we’d love it if you posted again. Your account is still open.

  74. We need more parties, of all kinds. Ha!

    Really we need a large viable third party.

  75. taggles — I agree but I would say we need a large, viable SECOND party. I can’t tell the difference between the RNC & the DNC anymore.

  76. I was just reading “router interference” and it simply disappeared!

  77. Ok, so the tinfoil post was taken down right? Or do I really need to go grab the tinfoil?

  78. I am gonna run for the hills, grab the kids! where the hell did it go?

  79. angienc2, on February 16th, 2009 at 2:02 pm Said:

    gary — true, but I think a lot of “rabble rousing” goes on in both parties to demonize the other side & cause hatred (ie toward gays for one example) that some people would just not have/feel if not for that rabble rousing by the leaders in the parties.

    I think a lot of rabble rousing is done by Parties to hide the fact that there really are fewer differences than they like to make it seem.
    The Dems have never, ever, given people UHC, or decent schooling, or stuff like that. The Repubs have never, ever, reduced the size of government, nor the deficit, despite calling themselves the Party of “small” govt.
    Both Parties are fodder for the lobbyists.

    I can perfectly understand that the very name Democrat gives Afrocity the creeps. She’s had to live with Chicago Dems all her life.

    It’s not Obama who’s the empty suit-it’s the Dems-and with them, the total dismal failure of the Repubs and neo-cons.

    What broke my heart this election was the failure of Electoral Finance Reform.

  80. Laurie,
    Your post is right on the money imo.

  81. “deadenders?” who cares. their names will change because they won’t stick. i too love this place. i find it so important to document what is going on in this country and to have a historical record. for, as we all know, the media has been bought (in the case of couric and walters, prostituted, since they know what they are doing is anti-women and it’s all about the money they are earning) and the american public has such a short memory, these reminders are crucial.

    i am so disappointed in the dems this weekend. “rush, rush, let’s get the package together. ok, since many of you out there want to know what we are spending the future on, we’ll let you read it for 48 hours. nah, i just changed my mind. vote vote vote i must be off to visit the pope in italy and we need to get this to teh prez so he can sign it into action immediately. oh, wait he needs to take his wife out to dinner in chicago for valentine’s day….signing can wait until tuesday.” what a crock.

  82. There is no question that Jim Jones is trying at a power grab. I don’t think he will succeed because he has some really bad ideas, but there is no question that he is trying to, or that Power was put in to check Hillary. Again, she is smarter than them, but this is politics 101. There’s always a power grab.

  83. this is for all the posters and commenter here and Riverdaughter for providing this place.
    Hope it works because sometimes me and my computer ADAM( a damn aggravating machine) do not get along with addresses.

    Who-Packs-Your-Parachute.pps

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  84. Told you ADAM and me do not get along with computer addresses.
    try this one
    http://www.cs.fsu.edu/-lacher/personal/Parachute.pps

    During this trying year this place and the people have made it easier to handle distress.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  85. I QUIT.
    the thought was there but the skills were not.

  86. I love our resident Republican Conflucians and think they add lots to our discussions.

  87. It seems to me that the party divisions created by the media, including web sites, that set one party against another are simply divide-and-conquer techniques. The real business of the country is to support the wealthiest, and our government is simply “the best that money can buy” (as Gore Vidal said). What would this country be like if both parties worked for the good of all of the people?

  88. good post as always R.D. i come by every day…
    how,s that new basement working out???

  89. Oh, and after being a lifelong Dem, I was shocked by how Nancy Pelosi pushed her “gift from God” on the Democratic Convention. I was hoping against hope that at least the Convention could play out fairly. Had the process appeared honest, I would have voted for whatever Democrat was the nominee. Considering how much I knew about one of them, however, I wouldn’t have donated a cent or volunteered a second.

    I have been registered as the equivalent of independent since the election. I like being non-partisan. It is the only good thing about having another empty suit sold by the media as president.

  90. So we’re having this business meeting for two hours, yadda this, yadda that, boring each other to death. Then somehow the discussion slowly but surely turns to politics, and after another half hour of poking here, poking there, we discover we are both PUMAs!! She stands up to lower the blinds in the conference room, and we proceed to talk for another hour, pretty much covering every major topic that’s been discussed on TC today, even a delightful little chat about political blogs. We end the meeting with a high five, blinds go back up, and we march back out into the office sphere with goofy smiles on our faces. What fun. Now I’m ready for dinner. Yummy for the tummy.

  91. Just don’t call me late for dinner.

  92. She’s got more gravitas in her little pinky than Obama has in his entire jock strap.

    Too damn bad. We don’t really care what they call us. We’re here to stay.

    Hear! Hear! Oh, how I love this blog…:)

  93. Ms. Riverdaughter,,,,, ahem God Bless You!!! a kiss and a hug.! Thank You Thank You and Happy Valentine’s Day also! Susan

  94. RD speaks for me!! Just sayin’.

    Thanks again for hosting this place and providing a rational place for dialogue, all.

  95. cwaltz,

    There already are several third parties — take your pick. If you read the Green platform you will find very little to disagree with as a Democrat or a believer in fairness, equality, justice, and all that good stuff. Don’t let the bad Nader memories spoil your picture of the Green Party, the current head of the party (their presidential candidate) is the marvelous Cynthia McKinney.

    The Green, Libertarian, Socialist, and Constitution parties run candidates every year. They are all represented in local political positions at all levels across the country–I’m not certain about the Constitution party, but I know that’s true of the others. No need to form a new party, join and strengthen an existing one that fits your values.

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