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What are you laughing at?

136 Responses

  1. I woulda used Sam Kinison but I couldn’t find one that wasn’t very inappropriate

  2. That’s it, I am going to bed!

  3. I’m watching “Some Like It Hot” right now.

  4. As seen on CNN.com

    Ticker: Big Obama decision to come ‘shortly’

    He’s like the kid who’d always be stalling cuz he didn’t do his homework and doesn’t want to get caught…

  5. This is torture!!!

  6. Bad joke: Barack Obama elected to 2nd term as president

  7. katiebird: That is weird.

  8. Angie, how long is that film?

  9. That’s what I thought too, Pat.

  10. I’ve always said Obama will be in trouble if he won because he’ll have to make decisions on stuff, and no matter what he does he’ll make some (or all) of his supporters unhappy.

  11. He has already done that several times and they still manage to wiggle around to excuse him.

  12. they still manage to wiggle around to excuse him

    There will always be those 28%ers like G-Dub had

  13. Okay, I’m back, even though I’m supposed to be putting my grouchiness under a hot shower and going to bed early for once. That ticker post is indeed weird, k’bird. Wonder why there are no comments following it (it was posted at 8:17 p CST).

    And yah, elderj, Obama is the baddest joke of all. Hard to top that one.

  14. kb — it is ending now — 2 hours & 15 minutes.

    Jack Lemmon: I can’t get married in your mother’s dress. We aren’t built the same.

    Joe E. Brown: We can have it altered.

    JL: I smoke. I smoke all the time
    JEB: I don’t care.

    JL: I have a terrible past. For the last 3 years I’ve been living with a saxophone player.
    JEB: I forgive you.

    JL: I can never have children!
    JEB: We can adopt some.

    JL: Oh Osgood. You don’t understand. I’m a man.
    JEB: Well, nobody’s perfect!

    LMAO!! Ok, I’m going to bed.

  15. Here’s a question – why do so many Kool-aid blogs spend so much time discussing what the GOP is doing while simultaneously claiming the GOP is irrelevant?

    They’re Republicans, not PUMAs.

  16. Ticker: Big Obama decision to come ’shortly’

    LOL I’m waiting with baited breath! I feel just like a member of the press corps–IS IT A LABRADOODLE? DID HE GET HER THE TWO POUND ASSORTMENT?

  17. Tis is off-topic a little, but none-the-less very interesting. I’m sure everyone has heard about the singers Rihanna and Chris Browne and the accusations of physical abuse. As we talk about the problems of violence against women I found something very strange on-line tonight.

    Clicking a link for a news story, I was directed to the site OMG, an entertainment site. They had asked a number of entertainers what their thoughts were on the Rihanna/Chris Browne situation. I think the answers were very interesting. Almost completely, the women were non-committal, and wouldn’t place blame. The furthest they would go was to say that abuse shouldn’t happen to any woman. The men, however, pretty much all placed blame on Browne, some said he is young and can change his ways, others said that no woman should be treated like that, others still, said you should think about it happening to your mother or sister or daughter.

    I just found it very strange that the women were hard pressed to take a stand on the situation, while the men had no such problem. Anyone have a thought on what is going on there? Is this just a matter of men saying what they think is obligatory, or is there an underlying move by men to accept that this may be partly their responsiblity to change?

  18. And a follow up would be why are they so concentrated on us?

  19. He did it during the primary, too. He threw the “netroots” under the bus, they recognized it, they got mad for 3 minutes and then back to our regularlly scheduled talking points.

    And they can say the Repubs are irrelevant, but they don’t believe it. They know they’re a lot better at politics.

  20. Warrior: My bet would be that those women, had they strongly came out in her defense, would have been wiped off the board in record time by the men commentators. Things like, you don’t know the whole story, he apologized didn’t he, she probably made a bigger scene than necessary, she clung to him all the time, etc.

    That site was more than likely made up of young people and some girls see this behavior as “love”.

  21. warrior woman — I’ll tell you what — the men who say “you wouldn’t want this to happen to your mother or sister” p!ss me off too — what, the woman has to be your mother or your sister before you can empathize with her? If she is just some unrelated woman it would be ok to hit her? F*ck that noise.

    I’ve seen some a–hole men who’ve said Rihanna “must have done something” to set him off — like this a–hole (you may remember him from Project Runway:

  22. Jeralyn did an in-depth report on tonight’s episode of “The Bachelor”

  23. http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/801-RED-ALERT-FX-Dislocation-In-Process.html
    —————————————-
    Another scary thing to worry about.
    ====
    Who said Obama was about to make a decision? About what?

  24. Angie, thank you!!!! That really pissed me off from Jay-Z, the “pretend she’s your sister” thing. Pretend nothing, how about for a change we recognize she’s a human being? I don’t need to be related to her to empathize with her. And yeah, the “we need to know the full story” people can rot in hell.

  25. did the bachelor kill off one of the bachelorettes and she is his new defense atty?

  26. Rihanna “must have done something” to set him off

    I don’t care if he caught her cheating with his best friend – it’s no excuse.

  27. Are you serious, The Bachelor? No wonder her brain began to wander last year.

  28. Pretend nothing, how about for a change we recognize she’s a human being?

    Playing devil’s advocate, I think that may be what he’s trying to say.

    A better way to say it would be “You would be angry that it happened to your sister, so be angry when it happens to any woman.”

  29. The sad truth is that many of those hip hop and gangsta rap recordings reflect such disdain and hatred toward women that some may not really know what reaction is expected.

  30. Yah, and I noticed Jeralyn’s readers were not exactly all ears, myiq. I’m surprised she didn’t post the menu for the divine Obama V-day dinner, along with a photo of the doggie bag, and a breathless description of whatever MO was upholstered in. (Not to mention the fuel bill to date for AF1.)

  31. More Obama P0rn not for the faint-hearted….

  32. Jeralyn will be busy, people has exerpts from a new bio of Plain. I’m sure she’ll find lots of nuggets to feed her PDS

  33. Since his jaw isn’t broken and there don’t seem to be any other signs of her physically assaulting him, there isn’t any excuse. I’ve seen a man who was beaten by a woman and it’s pretty obvious….

  34. Is the Bachelor still on? Really?

  35. katiebird: After reading that article I can only snarkily say, Oh well. This is who they sought and who they insisted was the symbol of hope and change. Tough toenails. We knew it all along. No substance. No principles. No guts.

  36. Pat, my Obot sister posted the link…. I don’t know what she means by it though.

  37. It MAY be what he’s trying to say, but then again, HE is close with her. It comes off more like, “I actually care about her so you should too.”

  38. kb’s link was gonna make me download, should have I? is it worth it?

  39. On topic: More Wright for the addicted:
    http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Wright.htm

  40. taggles: Yes.

  41. taggles, I wonder why? It goes to the LA Times when I click on it. (the second one, right?)

  42. Men can be pretty protective of women at times. I think its some primitive instinctual response and generally men who think its a heinous thing to beat/attack your wife/girlfriend generally are very unforgiving and very harsh with those guys that do

  43. katiebird: Her way of eating crow perhaps?

  44. the one at 12:27. face book link

  45. No way Pat. I can’t imagine that. At least not yet. I think she probably liked the photo….

  46. breathless description of whatever MO was upholstered in.

    I am laughing out loud with that one!

  47. Who said Obama was about to make a decision? About what?

  48. katiebird: You have to admit though that this is not the most flattering article about him that she could have chosen.

  49. It MAY be what he’s trying to say, but then again, HE is close with her.

    One way to humanize total strangers is to get people to think of them as someone close to them.

    Sting did it with his song about the Soviets – “Do you think they love their children too?”

    I’d much rather hear “Pretend she’s your sister” than “she must have done something.”

    That doesn’t excuse the other things Jay-Z has said.

  50. plainjane: I think it was mean to be facetious since he hardly ever makes a decision.

  51. Jay-Z used to date her before he married Beyonce.

  52. taggles, I fixed the link. Here it is again. I didn’t realize that the link carried my sister’s facebook link with it somehow.

  53. guys who beat women, would beat their sisters.

  54. Pat, My sister has MS and the stem cell issue means a lot to her. Maybe it’s having a bigger affect than I expected.

  55. katiebird: That could be it. He essentially promised to override the executive order and has yet to do so. Must be waiting for the Faith Based people to weigh in. Wouldn’t want to upset the cart by overruling them.

  56. Pat Johnson, on February 17th, 2009 at 12:39 am Said:
    plainjane: I think it was mean to be facetious since he
    ———————————
    Thanks Pat, I didn’t want to miss a once in a lifetime event!

  57. guys who beat women, would beat their sisters.

    And guys who don’t, beat the guys who beat their sisters.

  58. That happens too.

  59. myiq2xu, on February 17th, 2009 at 12:39 am Said:
    ———————–
    I remember some arguing on the blog that Stalin was a monster; how could his family not know he was a villain, etc and then someone posting pictures of him with his daughter that were rather poignant.

  60. Rhianna’s only like 19, Jay-Z and Beyonce have been together for like 6 years, gad I hope they did not date before. 🙂

    I’d rather hear, I don’t care if she’s a stranger, I don’t care if you actively dislike her, I don’t care if she’s fat or ugly, I don’t care if she’s someone I’ve had a public problem with, I don’t care if she’s Sarah Palin, this is NEVER acceptable, and not just because we have a personal relationship, I think she’s a sweet girl, or I like her singing or she has some other quality that makes her acceptable.

  61. doesn’t help the woman who just got her ass beat.

    the entire justice system does not take domestic violence seriously and the justice dept is a male dominated system. Even so, some women justices do not take domestic violence as serious as they should. Which indicates it is a systemic problem.

    This country needs a whole new outlook on Domestic Violence.

    Go over to PUMA PAC and read the women lynching forum.

  62. “And guys who don’t, beat the guys who beat their sisters.”

    My sister worls with all guys and once time, a discussion came up when she was all alone with one guy on what he would do if he found out his daughter’s bf had beat her up. He was like, “I’d go over and get the full story from him.” All the other guys would have been like, “I’d go find him after I got a bat.” She was REAL glad when he left that job. 😉

  63. (She’s a sailor so you’re kind of trapped with these people for 10 months at a time)

  64. Seriously:

    You’re making a logical argument, one that is true and correct.

    I’m talking about an emotional argument. There is nothing wrong with using both.

  65. the entire justice system does not take domestic violence seriously and the justice dept is a male dominated system.

    You’re talking about a field I work in.

    Cops take DV seriously. Prosecutors take DV seriously. Judges take DV seriously. Defense attorneys take DV seriously.

  66. good, then you can tell me how BJ Klings criminal son in law got out of jail after bashing in her dying daughters head with a hammer for drugs, with a history of domestic violence, no probation, no parole.

  67. This country needs a whole new outlook on Domestic Violence.

    Our prisons are overflowing. Should we start have cops perform street executions?

  68. Is it too much to expect that humans of either gender would have some standards of behavior that would help them deal with these issues—such as should you beat up your girlfriend/boyfriend, should you cheat on your spouse, does it matter whether the person is good looking or not?

    Slightly off of this topic:
    When my youngest son was in college, I was shocked to see a sign on his dorm fridge that said, No one is ugly after 2AM. Lately, now that he is married, I hear him reacting to his buddy who is cheating on his wife with this: Are you some kind of rockhead?

  69. DV is a serious thing BUT I do think people can change, though it usually takes time and some serious commitment on their part. And in many (though not all) DV situations, there is a bit of dysfunction on both sides.

    For every person in a DV situation, once they exit the situation, there needs to be some critical self evaluation to sort out their own issues.

  70. Our prisons are overflowing with nonviolent drug offenders. Maybe we should let them out and make more room for violent offenders.

  71. they take it as serious as the allow makes them.

    it needs to be more stringent.

    4 women a day are murder victims of domestic violence in this country.

    Most of the perpetrators had a restraining order. And have domestic violence history.

    Yes something is wrong with the system.

  72. tell me how BJ Klings criminal son in law got out of jail after bashing in her dying daughters head with a hammer for drugs, with a history of domestic violence, no probation, no parole

    I can’t imagine any DA I know letting anyone walk in that situation unless they didn’t have a case. Even a weak case would have gone to trial.

    Was he acquitted, were charges dismissed, or did he plead out to a lesser offense?

  73. Most of the perpetrators had a restraining order. And have domestic violence history.

    What do you want? First offense, life in prison without trial?

    What’s your solution?

  74. are the perpetrators of DV evil and beyond redemption in your (plural) view?

  75. You have gone from all authorities involved take it seriously to asking me what can be done to make it better.

    You think up something.

  76. The ones I know do take it seriously. You say they don’t.

    Please explain what they are doing wrong.

  77. I’m not saying you should think up something. I’m just curious as to what people think about the perpetrators of such violence, because that affects how they think they should treated and how the issue should be dealt with

  78. elderj, I believe in rehabilitation, but, in my experience on this DV perps have a lot in common with pedophiles. They often come from abusive situations, as victims or at least witnesses. Plus, they can develop very manipulative personalities, I’m reformed, I’m reformed, whoops, turns out I’m not reformed. It’s hard to break that cycle.

  79. If someone is arrested they are entitled to reasonable bail, due process and a trial by jury.

    Most DV cases involve minor injuries.

    Many women don’t want the guy locked up, they just want him to get treatment. Frequently they are economically dependent and have kids with the guy.

  80. i just explained to you that 4 women a day are murder victims of domestic violence in this country.

    You are the expert, you tell me what they could do differently or is it perfect.

  81. (And by pedophiles, I mean they tend to reoffend again and again)

  82. You are the expert, you tell me what they could do differently or is it perfect.

    How many of those men had prior murder convictions? Serious DV convictions?

    Most of the perpetrators had a restraining order. And have domestic violence history

    How many men violate restraining orders? How many with DV histories go on to commit a DV murder?

  83. I answered your question, please don’t answer me by asking more questions. If you could answer, that would be great.

    Do you think a system is working where 4 women a day are murdered by their partners. and if not, what can be done to make it better or is the system working perfectly.

  84. elderj, I believe in rehabilitation, but, in my experience on this DV perps have a lot in common with pedophiles. They often come from abusive situations, as victims or at least witnesses. Plus, they can develop very manipulative personalities, I’m reformed, I’m reformed, whoops, turns out I’m not reformed. It’s hard to break that cycle.

    I agree, that’s been my perception too, though I would add that the same seems to be true of victims of DV, i.e. coming from abusive situations or developing manipulative personalities usually as a means of coping with abuse themselves. I think it is usually a very sick situation in which partner’s dysfunction feeds off the other in a twisted cycle. Each person somehow feels that one of them is blame for everything wrong in the relationship (i.e. “It’s you fault you made me mad enough to hit you.” “Yes, it’s my fault I made him angry enough to hit me.”) rather than recognizing that each person is responsible for his/her own behavior, and that they can’t control the other person.

    That said, I believe with some early guidance and intervention these circumstances can be turned around, especially if intervention by family or friends can happen before actual violence takes place.

  85. Do you think a system is working where 4 women a day are murdered by their partners. and if not, what can be done to make it better or is the system working perfectly.

    I think the justice system is working about as good as it can.

  86. gotta get some sleep. good night.

  87. Pat Johnson
    Pat it wasn’t just a facetious remark: He is to make a decision about sending more troops to Afghanistan/
    http://www.ktvu.com/politics/18724410/detail.html

  88. Starting in the 1980’s we saw a “lock-em-up and throw away the key” approach to crime in this country. Longer sentences, 3-strikes laws, mandatory minimums.

    Our prison population soared. We lock up more of our citizens than any nation on earth, and we still have high rates of violent crime.

  89. Texas executes more people than any other state, yet it still has a high murder rate.

  90. Seriously — I agree with you re: the imagine it’s your sister thing. myiq calls it an emotional argument — true enough — but one that always needs to be made when a woman is the victim of violence because our society sees women de facto as not “human.” For example, when you hear a story about a young man who is hurt or killed by some violent act no one ever says “Imagine if that was your brother or father.” Furthermore, if there was any justice in this world, after Jay-Z said that someone should have asked him “Imagine if “99 problems but a b!tch ain’t one” was about your mother or sister.” He’s part of the whole damn problem with society seeing women as less than human (i.e., b!tches) and HE has the gall to talk? Make no mistake — he only cares about Rihanna because he happens to know her — if he didn’t, she would be just another “b!tch.”

  91. Coming from a very dysfunctional situation myself, I would guess that we’d be in much better shape overall if we had really early intervention, like if local communities had more resources available to try and identify at-risk kids and get them into treatment. But I don’t see that happening any time soon, and for individuals mental health treatment is mostly a pipe dream.

  92. angie – I thought you’d gone to bed?

  93. elderj — couldn’t sleep. But I’m going now! Good night all!!

  94. Myiq, “the system is working as well as it can” doesn’t do a lot for the dead chicks. Not your fault, I know, but, there are no simple answers for deceptively simple sounding complex questions like this.
    It’s next to impossible to extricate oneself from an abusive, manipulative, lunatic alive, and, often, by the time you realize how dangerous your situation is, you’ve been effectively culled from the herd of family and friends who could protect you. It takes a while for the undying love of an obsessive whack job to turn into oppressive, dangerous, single minded obsession, or at least to recognize it as such.
    By then, it can be too late.
    When you’re trapped in that kind of nightmare of a horror movie existence, an official looking piece of paper provides really inadequate protection.

  95. Seriously – I don’t think such intervention is most effective on a governmental level for the fact that governments tend to be heavy handed, arbitrary and impersonal, but I get your point, and unfortunately our society doesn’t seem to have very many other points of intervention. Besides sometimes what is needed is just swift kick in the pants or a good talking too from an older brother or sister who can set things straight.

  96. but one that always needs to be made when a woman is the victim of violence because our society sees women de facto as not “human.”

    I love you, angie. 🙂 That is exactly it. Nobody says imagine your brother or your father because nobody has to, we can all empathize with that. But with women, it’s like gosh, how do we relate to these strange creatures? We must personalize it! Doing that with the Russians, well, yeah, because people in the US thought of Russians as weird and alien creatures and couldn’t quite wrap their heads around the fact that they’re people just like us with the same hopes and fears. Same deal.

  97. there are no simple answers for deceptively simple sounding complex questions like this.

    It’s not just DV – this is a violent country.

    The problem is weeding out the “anger control issues” cases from the abusive potential killers.

    Scott Peterson had no history of violence, domestic or otherwise.

  98. Scott Peterson may not have had an official history, but I bet Lacey had some stories to tell. Gee, Myiq, do I have to tell you how many absolutely terrified women never report their abuse to anybody?

  99. For one of my trainings for counseling DV victims, we had a man in who ran one of those court-ordered programs that abusers get sent to instead of jail time. One observation he made stuck with me: he said, these guys are able to control themselves at work; they don’t hit their boss or their secretaries; they don’t hit their friends, a lot of them don’t or would never hit their kids. Just their wives and girlfriends. They don’t do those things because there would be repercussions. But hitting their wives they get away with.

    That is a very strong argument for a strong response to yes, even first time offenses. Perhaps not life in prison, but certainly more than a ‘talking to’ by the police that show up. Because if there are actual repercussions, there will be less of it.

    I’ve worked with DV victims, including on cases where the woman was killed or very seriously wounded, and no, not all police take DV seriously, nor prosecutors, nor judges, not even areas with mandatory arrest rules. Betty Jean’s situation is not uncommon, it’s not some freakish anomaly that can be written off.

  100. Jane Hamsher has lost it:

    I have to say, I really love Michelle Obama’s personal style. Don’t like it, love it. She’s got a great eye for fashion, she knows what looks good on her, she gracefully mixes high and low pieces to come up with a unique look that suits her personality and makes her look spectacular without being overdone, and she’s made comfort a priority. She’s bringing bright, optimistic colors onto the palate and she knows who she is so she doesn’t need the “big name” label in order to impress. I’m now adding brightly colored pieces to everything I wear in her honor. Purple handbags, chartreuse shoes — I’m so there.

    http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/16/michelle-obama-causing-high-anxiety-in-high-fashion/

  101. Gee, Myiq, do I have to tell you how many absolutely terrified women never report their abuse to anybody?

    Maybe we should just lock up all the men just to be safe.

  102. Scott Petersen isn’t dispositive; that’s a very weak argument. The fact that one man had no history of abuse before he killed his wife doesn’t prove that no man ever has.

  103. myiq — are you sure that was Jane? It sounds like Jeralyn.

  104. elderj, I get what you’re saying, but it’s not that the counselors would be government employees, just an easier way to hook people up with the services they need. Nobody in a messed up family situation is going to take their kids to get help usually and even if they wanted to, you don’t have money, you don’t have insurance, you don’t know where to go, you don’t have transportation, it’s that access is not there. The thing with the siblings is that even within the same situation, people experience things differently. I have one relative who’s especially traumatized by some things to the point of not being able to function almost at times, and other relatives who got off pretty lightly, and so b and c are always trying to give a that swift kick, but they don’t really connect because they have totally different frames of reference. I think having someone who’s trained in dealing with these kinds of things could be helpful there.

  105. Myiq, please don’t take it personally, that hurts everybody. And, it’s not gender specific, my abuser was female.

  106. Yes, myiq those are our choices, if we want DV to be taken seriously then we’re for imprisoning and summarily executing all men.

  107. But hitting their wives they get away with.

    If they are in a diversion program then they didn’t “get away with” anything.

    If they violate the terms of the diversion program they have a felony conviction and may face prison time. If the violation is a new offense they will almost certainly be doing time.

    Here in California if either party has a visible injury someone is going to jail when the cops arrive. We have grants that pay for one or more dedicated DV prosecutors in every county.

    Practically every year we get new DV offenses in our penal code and increased penalties for the old ones.

    Meanwhile many of the wives/girlfriends are pleading with the court for the guy to get released.

  108. Scott Petersen isn’t dispositive; that’s a very weak argument. The fact that one man had no history of abuse before he killed his wife doesn’t prove that no man ever has.

    That’s the problem, no case is dispositive. But we see anecdotal evidence of a case that fell through the cracks held up as typical.

  109. my abuser was female

    So was mine

  110. Seriously, on February 17th, 2009 at 2:04 am Said:

    Yes, myiq those are our choices, if we want DV to be taken seriously then we’re for imprisoning and summarily executing all men.

    Can we do the same to women who physically abuse men?

  111. That was sarcasm, Fredster.

  112. If more men and women could come forward and be assured they’d be protected without pre-judgment of them and their situation, maybe we’d be able to make some real progress.

  113. Noooooooooooooo!!! Seriously?

  114. Most diversion programs are nothing. Abusers are required to show up for a few hours a couple of Saturdays. Big deal. It’s rare that abusers serve jail time unless there are other ‘serious’ crimes involved.

    The image of the begging girlfriend (now who’s playing the emotion game) is largely the convenient excuse for those who do not want the system to be responsive to the needs of victims. And it’s not particularly relevant. Aside from the fact that the ‘begging woman’ may very well be begging because she has no other way to help support her or her kids, or knows d*mn well if he is arrested the future could be worse, once someone commits a crime (and battery is a crime, no matter your relationship), your actions move into the realm of public concern.

  115. Well, I have a secret plan, but don’t tell anyone about it. yet.

  116. I don’t know much about the topic other than having a cousin who was married to an abuser. However, I’ve seen episodes of Cops where there’s a DV call and the cops show up, and the guy is arrested and hauled off. In some instances you see the woman asking that he not be brought to jail, and in some you see them taking the card from the cop for the abused women program (I guess??) in that county and them urging the woman to contact the group.

    I had not thought about the women being concerned because of no support. That’s truly sad.

  117. IIRC, myiq2xu said on a previous thread that he did not believe DV should be handled by the legal system. That should inform you about where he’s coming from.

    elderj
    You imply both people are equally responsible in a DV situation, however, some innocent people can get involved with a violent person and as Cinie described, it can take time to leave. Such a person might go on in life and never be involved in a DV situation again.

  118. Seriously, on February 17th, 2009 at 2:22 am Said:

    Well, I have a secret plan, but don’t tell anyone about it. yet.

    You’re gonna castrate the men before puberty?

  119. IIRC, myiq2xu said on a previous thread that he did not believe DV should be handled by the legal system.

    You don’t recall correctly

  120. On a happy note: The Krewe of Barkus rolled through the French Quarter:

    http://www.wdsu.com/video/18721137/?taf=no

  121. “I had not thought about the women being concerned because of no support.”

    Look at the message boards about Chris Brown and Rhianna, people are supporting him because they like his music or they think he’s hot so she must be a liar/a manipulator/brought it on herself, the exact same thing with paul McCartney when it was suggested he abused his wife. That’s exactly the kind of thing that happens in real life. Everybody knows how much of their own private family stuff they hide from everybody, but all of a sudden you have total insight into what the nice man who brings the donut holes to the church picnic is capable of behind closed doors.

  122. Most diversion programs are nothing. Abusers are required to show up for a few hours a couple of Saturdays.

    Try once a week for a year, then another year minimum of staying out of trouble (all trouble) before the case is closed.

    If they violate the program before it is closed they are sentenced on the original charge.

    The program is available to first offenders only.

  123. myiq2xu

    I believe you said something quite similar to that. I recall being rather shocked at the time and have since then, frankly, regarded you with distrust.

    Anyway, I don’t want to engage in any conflict…obviously this is not my blog and I am a guest here, however, I believe I do recall correctly….now, maybe you have changed, I don’t know.

    Good night all.

  124. I’m going to bed – G’night everyone!

  125. Look at the message boards about Chris Brown and Rhianna, people are supporting him because they like his music or they think he’s hot so…

    I was talking about financial support as in the comment Valhalla made.

  126. Heading off also.

  127. I believe I do recall correctly

    No, you don’t, and I haven’t changed.

  128. Okay then, sorry, I thought you were talking about support in general, as in the comment Cinie made right before yours.

  129. Firlight – if you make those kind of assertions, don’t you think that you should actually look up the thread and the comment in question? There is a ctrl-F command that makes finding individual comments easier.

    I have had no experience of domestic violence myself-thank God. The teeniest sign of obsession and I would always run like the wind.

    However the daughter of one of my BFs did get involved with a Cuban dancer, who when trying to lash out at her, hit her 2 year old across the face. A foto was taken of the kid’s black eye, a lawyer consulted (he would have been automatically expelled from Italy), but when push came to shove, the daughter refused to press charges. He had been so repentant-boo hoo.
    Anyway a year later she finally left him.

    just my2cents

  130. What time is it there?

  131. Ha! Just reading over at NoQuarter about how they are going to install a mini television in PBO’s podium to give him even more cues and clues about what to do and say in press conferences. Absolutely pitiful.

  132. Scrubs:

    TelePrompter Jeebus

  133. What time is it there?

    Dark

  134. scrubs57, on February 17th, 2009 at 5:52 am Said:

    Ha! Just reading over at NoQuarter about how they are going to install a mini television in PBO’s podium to give him even more cues and clues about what to do and say in press conferences. Absolutely pitiful.

    ****************

    We will have to call him Dear Reader instead of Leader.

  135. hello all gotta run but cannot start the day without a morning report on Pampers….
    Here it is….

    Another day begins in america and this tool is still in the white house

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