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The Great Depression

Senate ALMOST finished passing Obama Stimulus Bill

(Sherrod Brown (D) OH is at his mothers funeral and Obama has dispatched a plane to retrieve him so he can cast the 60th vote needed, result should be achieved by 10:30pm est tonight)

When it passes, has Barack Obama saved us from this?

and this:

h/t to grayslady for this:

Glenn Greenwald has a fantastic article in Salon today about the importance of dissent from the left and the reason why Obama’s supporters are not pushing him to pursue more liberal policies.

Here are a couple of snippets:

Democratic groups — including (perhaps especially) liberal activist groups — now (with some exceptions) lend their allegiance to the party and its leader regardless of how faithful the party leadership is to their beliefs. That disparity means that there is often great popular agitation and political pressure exerted from the Right, but almost none from the Left (I’m using the terms “Left” and “Right” here in their conventional sense: “Right” being the core of the GOP and “Left” being those who most consistently and vigorously opposed Bush’s foreign and domestic policies).

And why the Obama supporting liberals remain silent when Barack sells them down the river:

During the 2008 election, Obama co-opted huge portions of the Left and its infrastructure so that their allegiance became devoted to him and not to any ideas. Many online political and “news” outlets — including some liberal political blogs — discovered that the most reliable way to massively increase traffic was to capitalize on the pro-Obama fervor by turning themselves into pro-Obama cheerleading squads. Grass-roots activist groups watched their dues-paying membership rolls explode the more they tapped into that same sentiment and turned themselves into Obama-supporting appendages. Even labor unions and long-standing Beltway advocacy groups reaped substantial benefits by identifying themselves as loyal foot soldiers in the Obama movement.

And the problem this creates and why we PUMA’s must remain vigilant:

The major problem now is that these entities — the ones that ought to be applying pressure on Obama from the Left and opposing him when he moves too far Right — are now completely boxed in. They’ve lost — or, more accurately, voluntarily relinquished — their independence. They know that criticizing — let alone opposing — Obama will mean that all those new readers they won last year will leave; that all those new dues-paying members will go join some other, more Obama-supportive organization; that they will prompt intense backlash and anger among the very people — their members, supporters and readers — on whom they have come to rely as the source of their support, strength, and numbers.

As a result, there is very little political or media structure to Obama’s Left that can or will criticize him, even when he moves far to what the Beltway calls the “center” or even the Right (i.e., when he adopts large chunks of the GOP position). That situation is extremely bad — both for the Left and for Obama.

PS Nothing we didn’t know. Like the Obots are just a bunch of hem kissing masochists. Or that blogs have been corrupted by money. But it’s nice to see Glenn Greenwald write it.

69 Responses

  1. It’s. All. About. The. Power ($).

    Who needs the fine print?

  2. I posted this in the previous thread — but am posting it again as a warning: definitely go read Greenwald’s article but for the love of all that is good & holy stay away from the comments — full of exactly the kool aid drivel Greenwald writes about:

    grayslady — thanks for the heads up re: Greenwald on salon — you were right — can’t miss. But the comments! {rolls eyes} I didn’t even make it past 5 when I read this one & had to stop:

    If the effectiveness of the remedies is in large part psychological.

    The keys to the economy being confidence. Then belief in Obama as a person is more important than a belief in his policies, whatever they may be.

    Yes, some loon actually wrote that.

  3. A question here: where was Greenwald’s voice during the primary?

  4. Angie, that is precious! ha ha ha ha ha!

    They are masochistic fools.

    How long before they get it. Please tell me it won’t be eight years!

  5. Kat5 — Greenwald was fairer than most, but his head was firmly up Obama’s a$$ nonetheless.

  6. taggles — LOL — that lunatic commenter obviously has read The Secret too many times!!

  7. I believe I have a million dollars under my bed. brb — I’m going to see if that worked.

  8. Nope.

  9. We just have to stay true to ourselves and when someone like Glenn Greenwald writes our position so perfectly, accept it as a gift.

  10. Did you pray for Obama to succeed first? That’s key.

    Then go look again.

  11. taggles — LMAO! I forgot that part.

  12. During the 2008 election, Obama co-opted huge portions of the Left and its infrastructure so that their allegiance became devoted to him and not to any ideas.

    As if we didn’t already know this!

  13. Angie – as a dummy nouveau blog reader and total Hillary supporter (read: racist), I slugged it out on Salon for months before it finally dawned on me that the place was an adolescent cesspool full of male misogynists and female quislings. Talk about wasted time and effort!

  14. Someone please forage through the comments and let me know if he was called a racist in one form or another.

  15. RedDragon — no sh!t — we’ve been screaming that since at least after the February primaries and now Greenwald is realizing it?

  16. taggles, you selected exactly the paragraphs that caught my attention as well. I think Glenn’s position was always to “support the Democrat”, but he was one of the few to come down hard on Obama for his FISA vote. He’s also recently been reaming out Obama for his same-as-Bush position on “state secrets”. I think he’s beginning that the fauxgressive blogosphere is not filled with the kind of people you can count on in a fight for the Constitution.

  17. Are you supplying the gas mask, swamp boots, and anti-venom, taggles?

  18. Gads, this sounds eerily like 1937. We need a plan – a really good one – because he “boxed” those supporters in to him through fear and intimidation and they have no clue how to get out.

  19. “I think he’s beginning that the fauxgressive blogosphere” should read “I think he’s beginning to understand that the fauxgressive blogosphere…”

  20. don’t worry kat, i got ur back!

  21. taggles — OK! I’m doing it — but only for you. I haven’t found anyone calling Greenwald a r@cist yet (but I’m only on the second page). I have found one asking for “links & back up” and this by the same loon who posted the other one:

    I was thinking of the use of the word ‘Stalinist’

    But [Stalin’s]leadership or ‘Cult of Personality’ if you will, not his specific policies, were just what was needed to beat the Germans. Our task is simpler but perhaps a *believed* leader is what is needed. (I hope I’m not sounding too scary – I am one of his fervid followers that were called Obamabots in the campaign)

    Um, yep, calling for a “Stalin” is about as scary as you can get YOU LUNATIC!!!!

  22. Sorry, I have no sympathy for Greenwald–any more than I do for Bill Moyers or any of the other sellouts. Just look at the bloggers he quoted in that piece–all sellouts like BTD and Yglesias.

  23. grayslady,

    I doubt Glenn Greenwald will be one of the bitter 28 percenter holdouts.

    You know the one who still think bush is wonderful.

    Except, for Obama this time.

    He might have written something he can fall back upon in a few years.

  24. Angienc! Holy Shiite, is she being facetious!?!?!?

  25. Wow. I’m speechless.

  26. Just how many of these diehard fanatics are there? I suspect not all that many. And getting fewer. All these liberals are boxed in by their own egos more than anything else.

  27. Angie:

    Kinda like screaming fire after the house has burned down! I seems that some of these “Bots are trying to get their Credibility back. Too late Spanky! Once a Bot…always a Bot!

  28. hey all just called SM we are on for tomorrow in her town…..in Florida. Woo Hoo! I am so excited I could pee!

    Pampers the Democratic Herbert Hoover!

  29. I’m on page 10 — 40 more to go — no calling of Glenn r@cist yet but plenty blaming the bill (if it is bad — always with that provisio) ALL ON BUSH. LOL
    My head hurts!

  30. That poster was being serious, as far as I could tell, btw. Back to the comments.

  31. OT..

    Can someone tell me how to block quote on a thread using a Mac? I feel so stupid…LOL. help! 🙂

  32. The founder and CEO of the Islamist channel Bridges TV, arrested today for beheading his wife after she filed for divorce, was given an award in 2007 by the Hamas-linked Council on American Islamic Relations:

    This made my heart sink.

  33. text

  34. In all fairness, and at the risk of being yelled at, I saw the same behavior by some Hillary supporters. We still see some who cannot bear any criticism of her, or anything she does, no matter what.

  35. just an off topic chuckle – but if this works, there may be hope for the Obots……….


  36. Fuzzy, ” for the love of all that is good & holy” (LMAO), please don’t pee!

    BB, is that you? Charming!

  37. I am still not enough in control of my rage to comb through such poisonous comments. Honestly, I don’t know how you all do it!

  38. This one comes close, but no cigar:

    What a muddle mess you wrote

    I don’t really care whether “liberals” (whatever that means) should support or fight against the White House, but your writing today is totally in the la-la land. . .

    Perhaps you are sincere in your cause but I’m getting tired of the disingenuous arguments based on distorted or selectively picked factoids.

    You know he wanted to call Greenwald a r@cist.

  39. Obamavilles will be set up down wind of the folks who still have a job…grow your own Obama poverty garden!

    Go to the goodwill and salvation army stores sow and “O” on your purchases and wear an Obama poverty “suit”!

    Come on BOTs get with the program….austerity is in!

    $ 5.00 lattes and arugula salads are out!

  40. The ‘blaming it all on Bush’ bit has become the standard obot fall back, angie, as if junior’s hiding under Barry’s desk (during those few moments when would-be 44 is actually sitting there), threatening to bite one of those scrawny legs.

  41. good enough angie, take a break! 😉

  42. Perhaps you are sincere in your cause but I’m getting tired of the disingenuous arguments based on distorted or selectively picked factoids.

    Now this is the typical faux intelligentsia Salon reader I love and remember so well. Challenge: define ‘selectively picked factoids’. I dare you.

  43. Well I wish someone would do a post on how could a woman be beheaded in America by her husband.arrested in Buffalo, New York, for beheading his wife.

    Orchard Park police are investigating a particularly gruesome killing, the beheading of a woman, after her husband — an influential member of the local Muslim community — reported her death to police Thursday.

    Police identified the victim as Aasiya Z. Hassan, 37. Detectives have charged her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, with second-degree murder.

    “He came to the police station at 6:20 p.m. [Thursday] and told us that she was dead,” Orchard Park Police Chief Andrew Benz said late this morning.

    Muzzammil Hassan told police that his wife was at his business, Bridges TV, on Thorn Avenue in the village. Officers went to that location and discovered her body.

    Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.

  44. Here’s a good one too:

    Your relentless negativity betrays your true intentions.

    I refuse to be tricked into opposing President Obama by your specious and hasty arguments that make the leap to define what a proper liberal perspective is. I suspect that our President is also wise to this trap and he will not be manipulated the way Clinton was. The best quality of liberals is to reject all kinds of dogmatisms.

    BWAHAHAHA — the kool aid is powerful.

  45. Ok, I’m stopping now (page 17) — I’m going to have a stroke after reading this from a self-described liberal:

    People fight on their keyboards now, but I wear scars for voicing my opinion in the streets, warrior against warriors. We had a sane, mild mannered man (J. Carter) who tried to tell us to grow up, but no one wanted the truth . . . Clinton’s are weak, globalist whores and stand for nothing. Not only did he deregulate banks, telco’s and gave us NAFTA, he cut the legs out from under a lot of programs that helped the less fortunate. Bill’s a democrat and I’m a goddamned brain surgeon.

  46. Eek — I’m in moderation!

  47. like george bush says, fool me once, shame shame shame, can’t get fooled again!

  48. The best quality of liberals is to reject all kinds of dogmatisms.

    And the race is on, with pragmatisms leading dogmatisms by a hair!

  49. Hey guys…
    I’m sorry, I know this is off topic, but has anyone seen Taylor Marsh’s website recently? It has been remodeled. I went there because I wanted to read some of her foreign policy posts (say what you want about her, but she does know what she’s talking about as far as that goes…) and I noticed her website is much fancier than it was before. Like, maybe she cut a deal or something…

  50. Lord of all worlds, Angie, someone seriously posted that at Glen Greenwald’s?

  51. littleisis,

    Long time, no see! I missed you.

  52. Ok, I lied — I went back for more — the conversation has gone left Greenwald’s actual article and there is some fighting among the posters calling one other poster a r@cist. I’m done –for realz this time.

  53. But then, I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.
    Oh, and another thing…
    does anyone know what day Hillary is leaving for Asia? I have been out of the loop lately. I haven’t been on here or paying attention for the past few weeks. I have been distracted.

  54. D’oh that was supposed to be “the conversation has done left Greenwald’s actual article”

  55. I missed you too BostonBoomer! I have been distracted from politics by personal things the past few weeks. I just couldn’t focus on much, particularly all the debates around here. I have missed everyone, though.

  56. good work angie! pumastar for you!

    was the person who was being called a racist supporting greenwalds position?

  57. Angie-
    Did you expect anything less from Zombie, mouth foaming Obots?
    You know…. I get the sad feeling they are too far gone for reason. It’s like he has made them undead. Inferi from Harry Potter or something.
    Like they would follow him to the pits of H*ll, if he asked.
    It is kind of scary.

  58. RedDragon62:

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  59. taggles — thank you — I was looking for the validation! LOL Yep, sure was.

    Little Isis — I visited TM just for you — yes, suspiciously fancy — love the new “Declaration of Independence” background since she is gaga for the guy whose election makes a mockery of everything the men who bravely signed that document stood for.

  60. taggles — “Yep, sure was” meant — yes, the guy being called a r@cist supported Greenwald.

  61. Afrocity, if someone doesn’t get to a post about it tonight. i will do one tomorrow. i am going to go to sleepy bye pretty soon.

    That is really atrocious.

  62. Okay, so are obots Obogmatists or Odogmatists?

  63. New thread up

    (involving Glennzilla’s post)

  64. I read Greenwald’s post earlier today and made it through about 2 pages of the comments.

    How about it Conflucians–should we all chip in toward combat pay for Angie?

  65. Nell — that’s ok — no combat pay needed — I got my pumastar! 🙂

  66. I know, right Angie? I thought it was weird. Also, after the primaries, her traffic practically vanished. Now that her website has been remodeled, it seems she has a little more traffic than before… though not much.
    It’s not ao much that I think she is a sellout. Even after her horrifying PDS, Palin bashing… I still had respect for her. She has been through a lot on her life.
    It wasn’t as though she said she wouldn’t support Bam. I remember she was trying to ease everyone into supporting him, but then you saw that article about her and it was like a completely different person than the one who was posting was in that article. Same with when she went on MSNBC.
    I’m just saying, she is corporate and she should have been honest.

  67. Well, of course, Angie, we know you’re a pumastar! Cela va sans dire, ma chere! 🙂

  68. Afrocity, I hadn’t heard about that – how awful, that poor woman.

    Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.

    Public Relations – ur doin it rong.

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