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Old Controversy, the debate and inequity lives on…

Women pay .73cents more on average than men for laundered shirts. Why? The excuse is the press machines are made for mens shirts. This has been a well known problem and been used as an excuse for over 30 years. The dry cleaners say they hand press women’s shirts. Why haven’t they made press machines that can handle women’s shirts?

Janet Floyd, activist, wants to end the practice. Very interesting. She appeared on WNYC and explained the situation and took some interesting calls.

She was also featured in the NYT:

For women across New York City and beyond, it basically amounts to being taken to the cleaners. Women’s shirts often cost much more to launder than men’s, even if they are smaller and made of the same cloth.

Many women grudgingly accept the higher prices, much as they accept the perennial lack of pockets in their pants and the lengthier lines outside their restrooms. But not Janet Floyd, a 44-year-old mother, community volunteer and newly minted missionary for gender equality in the wash place.

Ms. Floyd’s crusade began in November, when, she said, she and her husband brought their nearly identical blue Brooks Brothers oxfords to be laundered at Best Cleaners in Chelsea. The shirts came back clean, but Ms. Floyd discovered that hers cost $8.75, his $7. read more…..

Listen to her interview on WNYC . . . . here

Discuss……..

On a side note, Henrietta Hughes (the homeless woman who told Barack she needs a house and got one) was a touching story, but I have to point out the blond woman in the left corner of the screen after Barack kisses Henrietta:

She is spikin the koolaid INTRAVENOUSLY

103 Responses

  1. What? No throwing of underwear on the stage? I am underwhelmed…

  2. …hate to be the cynic here, but this has the smoooooth beat of the O doing his stump speeches and ladies fainting. I wish someone would check back and see whether this poor soul was set up. If she was Joe the Plumber, we’d know how much she weighed when she was born.
    But who’s counting?

  3. No throwing of underwear on the stage?

    Eeeeeeew!

  4. “We’re gonna do everything we can to help you”

    Sounds a lot like:

    “We’re from the government and we’re here to help you”

  5. Jon Stewart:

    “Hope made it all the way through the campaign and died less than three weeks in.”

  6. not for the blond woman, it’s still pumpin through the veins of many.

  7. F*ck a pony, I want a house, too.

  8. Cinie, I wonder how many more unscripted moments he wants. Everyone will be asking him for a house and help.

    Sure it was good for today, but I bet we see a “change”

  9. Obviously, anyone with a heart feels for the woman who was finally able to get housing, but I truly hope it doesn’t set people up for unreasonable expectations. He isn’t a miracle worker, and he can’t give everyone a house who needs one.

  10. now that I watch it closer it could be an episode of Let’s Make a Deal.

    I hate to see anyone homeless, so I feel bad saying that.

  11. Ahh, but he does have the power to help many stay in the homes they are currently in jeopardy of losing.

  12. the tax cuts to the rich in the stimulus plan could buy a hell of a lot of houses for poor folks

  13. Everyone will be asking him for a house and help.

    He should refer them to Oprah

  14. Woodward and Bernstein inspired a generation of investigative reporters by “getting” the corrupt politician. Now they are nearing retirement and it is prime time for some enterprising young reporter to make his bones and carry the mantle. Who will step up? These contrived “real people” setups are so phony it shouldn’t even be hard.

  15. Woodward and Bernstein inspired a generation of investigative reporters by “getting” the corrupt politician.

    Actually, W&B didn’t “get” Nixon, Congress did.

    W&B grabbed the credit by writing a book and getting Redford and Hoffman to star in the movie

  16. Congress only acted because “Woodstein” exposed the activity and made it so public that it couldn’t be glossed over.

  17. Congress only acted because “Woodstein” exposed the activity

    That’s what W&B would like you to believe.

  18. The front page fact on my hotel copy of USA Today announced that today women are still making 74 cents to the male 1 dollar at the work place. What was it in the 1960’s when Betty Freidan and Gloria Steinhem upset the air waves?

  19. I remember that one of the burglers sent the judge a shocking letter in Jan or Feb of 1973.

    My memory of it is that there was some competition between the Washington Post and the NY Times for stories through the spring of 1973 and didn’t the Congressional Hearings start that summer? Yes (I’m remembering the house we lived in) — once Congress started the hearings it was a free-for-all.

    Everyone was blind-sided by the (surprise) testimony that Nixon had taped so many conversations.

    So, it wasn’t at all just the reporters. Congress uncovered quite a bit.

  20. I want a house!
    And a pony…
    and a Harley…
    and a GI Joe with the kung fu grip.

  21. well jangles, it’s good to know that we have to work almost 7 more hours to make up the difference it costs to get our comparable shirts dry cleaned.

    🙄

  22. W&B had Mark Felt (Deepthroat) feeding them stuff.

    Felt had an ax to grind and would have found someone else to talk to if W&B wouldn’t do it.

  23. did i do that math right? someone check it. LOL

  24. BTW – Felt is part of the reason William Ayers didn’t go to prison

  25. i want a job. . . . . 😦

  26. Taggles:

    What’s really a crime is paying $6 to clean a tie that only cost $18

  27. dry cleaning is expensive, but obviously more expensive for women. how often do you dry clean your ties?

  28. So, Obama’s people handed the homeless woman the card of the local Housing Authority – like she hasn’t been there, done that.

    Did ‘ya notice the Representative whose wife offered the woman a house to stay in is Republican?

  29. no GA gal! thanks for pointing that out!

  30. “W&B had Mark Felt (Deepthroat) feeding them stuff.

    Felt had an ax to grind and would have found someone else to talk to if W&B wouldn’t do it.”

    So this should be easy for our hypothetical earnest reporters… As many people as have been thrown under the bus there must be plenty of axes to be ground out here in America.

  31. how often do you dry clean your ties?

    twice

  32. Tess, on February 10th, 2009 at 7:56 pm Said:
    …hate to be the cynic here, but this has the smoooooth beat of the O doing his stump speeches and ladies fainting. I wish someone would check back and see whether this poor soul was set up. If she was Joe the Plumber, we’d know how much she weighed when she was born.
    But who’s counting?
    ———————————-
    I checked records for a Henrietta Hughes in Lee Co., FL for 2005-2008 using a name search. No record of home ownership for a Henrietta Hughes.

    Search form:
    http://tinyurl.com/boy5fs

  33. What about the price of hair cuts? My hair is short and they want to charge me twice as much. Bull shit!

  34. i settle for having my student loan forgotten about or forgiven, or whatever you want to call making it go away

  35. that is another thing women pay more for.

    Never mind the clothes themselves that on average cost more.

  36. I buy permanent press shirts and pants, but many blouses and skirts are “dry clean only”

    Suit jackets don’t need to be cleaned very often.

  37. I just read the previous post, and must say the similarities between the great depression and now are striking. The last decade has had such a sense of excess, and increases in productivity have primarily gone to the top percent. The CEO’s were even robbing their shareholders blind (which may have become easier as more unsophisticated investors entered the markets through mutual funds/401(k)’s, etc. and boards became complicit).

    As for the shirts, I seem to recall that one of the arguments was that they cleaned less women’s shirts than men’s shirts, so it was not cost effective to purchase smaller presses. (Personally, I think that in general, many things for women are more expensive … perhaps marketers have just discovered that women will pay more.)

  38. poplicola, on February 10th, 2009 at 8:21 pm Said:
    Woodward and Bernstein inspired a generation of investigative reporters by “getting” the corrupt politician. Now they are nearing retirement and it is prime time for some enterprising young reporter to make his bones and carry the mantle. Who will step up? These contrived “real people” setups are so phony it shouldn’t even be hard.
    ================================
    Why can’t we get a good expose when we need one?

  39. So dakinkat, let’s make it in 1969 to keep the math simple—we women were making 68 cents to the male 1.00. An now it is 2009—that would be 40 years later, we are making 74 cents to the male 1.00? Our shirts still cost us more to clean. So we have to work more hours to make what it takes to clean the male shirt PLUS because our shirt costs more to clean than the male shirt we have to put in even more time. That starts adding up and looking like real money and more work hours to get the same thing. I think Michelle ought to have a sit down, family night with the One and Only and point out two more ways that he is not perfect.

  40. TFHT in one hour

  41. Jangles, on February 10th, 2009 at 8:32 pm Said:
    The front page fact on my hotel copy of USA Today announced that today women are still making 74 cents to the male 1 dollar at the work place. What was it in the 1960’s when Betty Freidan and Gloria Steinhem upset the air waves?
    ========================

    I think it was 63 cents at that time. We had pins to wear with that number on them.

  42. Did Henrietta get the house to live in or did she get the title to it? If it was given to her by a Republican then that is really FUNNY.

    Are we feeding all this ammunition to Hannity and Beck. Those are the only guys who seem to be out there taking some shots. I suggest that we all take a vow to email Hannity and Beck and maybe even O’Reilly anything and everything that is rip your face awful about Dear Leader. If we can’t have our Hillary, at least we could set up target practice for the rough riders.

  43. conservatively say women pay $20 dollars more per month for dry cleaning. Over 40 years that is $9,600.

  44. I’ve been feeding them for months now,and I also post everything on Greta’s blog.
    Fox seems to respond and maybe Rush, altho I once heard him on his radio program say that he has a really good spam filter. Not sure what that means in terms of our sending him e-mail.

  45. Is this a Presidential “town hall” or an episode of Oprah’s “Big Give.” Really, I’m sorry for the woman & happy she got a home but this is no way to run a country — with the “king” handing out rewards to favorites who are lucky enough to get in front of him while the cameras are rolling. Hear that sound? The angles in heaven are weeping for this country.

    myiq — you really should dry clean suit jackets as often as you dry clean the pants to ensure that *if* they fade they fade at the same rate. Otherwise you will be walking around in pants a different color from your jacket.

  46. Rachel Maddow said it looked like the price is right.

  47. taggles — I may have to start watching Maddow again. 🙂

  48. Otherwise you will be walking around in pants a different color from your jacket.

    I have three suits where the pants match the suit.

    Mostly I wear black, navy or charcoal Dockers with dark jackets.

    F*ck spending $300+ for one suit

  49. well she still sips the kool aid, but she is much better than most.

    i already took my lashes for posting a rachel video. I won’t do it again.

  50. ps: The good suits are for special occasions (trials)

  51. funny thing is you can get away with a two week trial with only three suits.

  52. Back in my private practice days, I would turn in my shirts to the cleaners and tell them they were men’s shirts (I’m tall). Sometimes I got the cheaper price but they usually got suspicious when my pink shirts went in.

  53. funny thing is you can get away with a two week trial with only three suits.

    I have mostly white shirts and about 50 ties.

  54. did you guys see this bill o’reilly clip? Dissin Helen Thomas?

  55. yeah but you can interchange them with three suits.

  56. scrubs57, on February 10th, 2009 at 9:31 pm Said:
    Back in my private practice days, I would turn in my shirts to the cleaners and tell them they were men’s shirts (I’m tall). Sometimes I got the cheaper price but they usually got suspicious when my pink shirts went in.
    ——————————
    Maybe they noticed the buttons on the “wrong side”.

  57. yeah but you can interchange them with three suits.

    I can wear the same black suit every day with a different colored tie.

    I had one trial that lasted 3 weeks, the others were all 3 days or less.

    99% of cases settle w/o trial

  58. I saw it last night Taggles. Someone needs to slap the taste out of O’Reilly’s mouth for his disrespect!

  59. Helen pisses everyone off. That’s what a good journalist is supposed to do. You go Helen!

    I’ll never forget that sketch she did with Stephen Colbert, where she was stalking him verrrry slowwwwwly.

  60. he called her the wicked witch of the east, old and ugly pretty much too.

  61. he called her the wicked witch of the east, old and ugly pretty much too

    When you’re old and ugly you don’t give a fuck what anyone thinks or says.

  62. One of my pet peeves has always been that men’s trousers come in inseam lengths ; women get tall, regular or short/petite. (Same with sleeve lengths). Years ago, too, when every dept. store had alterations on site, many times it was for men’s clothes only.

  63. very true plainjane31. men get nice fitted clothes, women get to try on a bunch of pairs to TRY on and settle for the best fit.

  64. Bill Orally is a pustule on the butt of humanity. He is not fit to breathe the same air as Helen.

    I’m sure his pettiness amused her.

  65. One of my pet peeves has always been that men’s trousers come in inseam lengths

    I can buy pants based on the label size (34×32) without trying them on.

    Women’s clothes aren’t like that (I was married, I know)

    Depending on the manufacturer every woman is 2-3 different sizes.

  66. myiq2xu, on February 10th, 2009 at 9:44 pm Said:
    he called her the wicked witch of the east, old and ugly pretty much too
    When you’re old and ugly you don’t give a fuck what anyone thinks or says.
    ======================
    No one likes to be described as old and ugly, but some of us have to stay up late (re: no one is ugly after 2AM)(college maxim)

  67. God he is like Juan Peron building little Evitavilles for show and the rest of argentina goes down the tubes!

    home!

  68. No one likes to be described as old and ugly

    When you make your peace with the reflection in the mirror you don’t care anymore

  69. The Manhattan Madam is on Hannity. I hope she names names.

  70. i am sure it amused her, but i will never forget this youtube of his indignance on how Hillary was being treated:

  71. Hannity is slavering all over her. Yucko!

  72. myiq — The best thing about bk practice? No trials, only the occasional hearing OR even more occasionally a 1/2 trial (Court is the fact-finder). To the office, most days I basically only have to wear a pair of pants & a blouse (or sweater) (and jeans on Friday!) I love it. I have a whole closet full of beautiful suits (with skirts) and I never wear them anymore because the one time a month I have to go to Court for 10 minutes I wear one of my two favorite black pantsuits — the Court most think that’s all I own! LOL
    But, I’m saving a fortune on dry cleaning — what are now my “work clothes” are woolite-able.

  73. Hannity is slavering all over her

    Is it true that’s “she” is a tranny?

    That would explain Hannity’s excitement

  74. Women get ripped off I wish I had the money I would open an ethical womens clothing company…the lable would be called “Real Women”.

    our slogan: “Clothes for real Women that love to take a bite out of life-and we dont mean celery!”

    or “we heard you more pockets!”

    or “Go on have the the cheese cake, you wear real women, save the water cress and melba toast for Naomi!”

  75. The best thing about bk practice?

    The best thing about crim practice?

    Getting hooked up as an “alternate public defender”

    Conflict cases the regular PD can’t take, mostly prelims and pre-trial hearings until you work out plea bargains. Expenses paid by the county.

    Make as much as a regular PD with 10% as many cases.

  76. ahem — myiq — not that I’m watching the clock, but TH thread is overdue by 4 minutes.

  77. If I were a str8 man I would have the same taste for women I want curvey with meat on their bones.

    I think those supermodels behave badly because the are hungry…hunger makes you crazy I am told…I avoid hunger at all costs!

  78. waiting for the view under the bus tommorrow-foot tapping!

  79. Oops!

    TFHT is up

  80. Getting hooked up as an “alternate public defender”
    **********
    Maybe that is what I was seeing when I was on jury duty. The PDs that I saw seemed as or more competent than the DAs.

  81. myiq2xu, on February 10th, 2009 at 9:53 pm Said:
    No one likes to be described as old and ugly
    When you make your peace with the reflection in the mirror you don’t care any
    —————————————–
    That’s from a man’s perspective of never having spent a life being rated for beauty. Many women do not have to get by on their attributes, but to this day, how they look does make a difference. It starts at a very early age, usually at home. That’s how we end up with Beautiful Baby Contests and Miss America Shows on the extreme end and then small variations on the same theme on a daily basis.

  82. What is bk practice?

  83. SHV– the “competence”of the DAs is vastly overrated. Jack McCoy of Law & Order they aint. Notice how anyone with a lot of money almost always gets off? That’s no accident — it is the poor that keep the conviction rates high. The minute someone has the $ to make them “prove” their case (which they are supposed to be doing every time) they lose.

  84. Amazonia — bankruptcy.

  85. Could it be that Rachel Maddow may be coming off a Kool Aid high? She devoted a segment to an ACLU lawyer who has sued the DOJ for unlawful rendition but when he got to court an Obot attorney argued against it using Bush talking points.

    Rachel is “disturbed” since Dear Leader promised an end to this stuff when campaigning. Oh well.

  86. The PDs that I saw seemed as or more competent than the DAs.

    Most PD’s are equal or better to private criminal lawyers.

    Most people that “go private” pay $$$ to get the same thing they would have gotten anyway.

  87. I have enjoyed Jon Stewart’s “Clusterf**k to the Poor House”

  88. The minute someone has the $ to make them “prove” their case (which they are supposed to be doing every time) they lose.

    It’s usually the “experts” and not the attorney that win those cases.

  89. myiq — I count money for experts as part of what is needed for a criminal trial. I’m not besmirching the attorneys involved –its just a fact — poor defendants cannot afford the same defense as rich ones & that is fundamentally unfair.

  90. Angie:

    I used to tell people “We have the best justice system that money can buy. How much justice can you afford?”

  91. That clip sounded like a game show – and that lady won a house.

  92. Don’t you think that how Hillary would do the address women’ issues, stimulus package and just about everything else is exactly why Pelosi and Reid and company did not want her around? Hillary would have brought all the power brokers to the table to write the bill. She would not have turned it over to either Nancy or Reid. It would have been her package with shared power around a very big table. They knew and know that and that is why there is no way they were going to let her get to the WH.

  93. Okay, I just watched that video. Why does it look more like a conversion experience and Barack is the preacher? You know those shows you see on late night on one of those channels devoted to people who are touched by a religious leader and they can suddenly walk again?

  94. My rebel daughter led an Aids awareness / woman’s advocacy club at her high school last year.

    They raised both money and consciousness at their bake sale by charging the following prices for cupcakes:

    Boys: $1
    White girls: $.75
    Latina and black girls: $.65

    HEY!!! NO FAIR!!!

  95. I still fail to see what the big fuss is over this sometimes black…sometimes white when he speaks person. He honestly appears as a goober to me.

  96. Tess said: “If she was Joe the Plumber….”

    That’s funny — call my cynical but I had the same thought when I watched it on the news last night: now we’ve got Henrietta the Homeless instead of Joe the Plumber.

    I believe it was a set up. It was too pat, too perfect, too coincidental.

  97. Yeah, I also saw the blonde lady with rapture on her face mouthing “I love you Barack”.

    Oh. My. God.

    If I believed in the apocalypse foretold by Revelations, just what parallels couldn’t I draw between BO and the anti-christ.

  98. Disenfranchised voter: YES! It was totally a tent revival show. And there was our Obamessiah healing the sick. It gets worse and worse.

  99. I believe it was a set up. It was too pat, too perfect, too coincidental

    I think the woman and her problems are real, I think the event was staged.

  100. if you dont think that was a setup, you are living in under a rock, shame on you barak obama, now i know why you are out stumping again, to make you look like the messiah that you will never be in fact you sir, are a fake, phony criminal

  101. Dry cleaning is ruinous the environment and also not good for your clothes. Buy stuff you can wash.

    When I’m trying to just hang onto my job and washing my clothes in the bathtub because I literally cannot afford to go the laundromat until payday, I can’t really worry about how much people pay to have their stuff dry cleaned.

    Sorry but I think this woman’s energy could be spent in far more useful directions. But I guess I just don’t get it.

    /Spitting rant off.

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