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Joseph Cannon rocks:

The hidden lesson of the Glass story concerns old media versus new media — for-pay writing versus for-free writing. Today, you’ll find much better writing on the blogs, and you won’t pay a dime for it. Why? Because a blog writer markets his work directly to readers, not to editors. Nobody cares if a blog author has age spots or sagging tits or a funky smell or outdated clothes. Nothing compels a blogger to wow colleagues with youth and charm. The best writers have no colleagues, no youth and no charm. They have fangs. Life has taken big bites out of their hides, and they want only to bite back.

I would NEVER sully myself by accepting money to blog.

(unless the price was right)

112 Responses

  1. Life has taken big bites out of their hides, and they want only to bite back

    Can’t say that i disagree with this point.

  2. Well if you reverse the key words a 180 degrees in that subtitle, you get:

    “Never before have so few people with so much to say said so little to so many”

    That’s sounds like the definition of dictatorship.

    We must be on the right track.

  3. The blogs give people from all over the world to chat, learn from each other, support each other and opens the world with out limits.
    You can get different points of view. That is lost in today”s journalism.
    Today’s msm journalists are nothing more then stenos with a bigger salary. They no longer investigate, they do not report the news they slant the news at the corp bidding
    i think blogs are a great thing.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  4. What’s great about blogs is nobody tells us what to say,and our readers give us instant feedback.

  5. Joseph is right …. to a certain point.

    I’ve been given a great privilege to post here at the Confluence.

    But when I formulate a post, I don’t think about who’s going to read it – I just want to get shit off my chest. It’s like a calling, like an “arrguh! I MUST WRITE AND COMMENT about such & such thing before my head explodes!” Maybe I’m wrong.

    I think most of the posters do too (AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.)

    To me, that is how the writing on the Confluence comes off. Instantaneous, sarcastic, witty, critical, intelligent, passionate, wonky-to-the-nines, intuitive, liberal, common-person-with-a-reason mind dump.

    AND IT ROCKS.

    This is why the current publishing industry is DEAD. Writers aren’t allowed to be old or wrinkled, or experienced, or even over the age of 30. They all have to be these Ivy-League whiz-kids who have older, wrinkled, over 30 experienced writers ghostwrite for them.

  6. >Joseph Cannon rocks:

    Well apart from his wild rants basically calling for the destruction of Israel…(and I say that as someone strongly opposed to Israel’s recent offensive in Gaza). Mr. Cannon is proof that if you see only one side in the Israeli-Palestinian mess as having any validity, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

  7. sm77:

    We don’t have an editor telling us what topics to write about and what position to take on them.

    I can’t imagine writing any other way.

  8. I just ordered my DVD of the PUMA movement by Brad. Exciting!

  9. tdraicer:

    Don’t even bother going there. You’re not gonna hijack this thread.

    Take your Joe-hate somewhere else.

  10. Ree:

    Don’t go there

  11. kay IQ. I didn’t start it.

  12. I/P threads bring out the crazy quicker than anything else. But this isn’t an I/P thread.

  13. Not now, at least. 🙂

  14. myiq,

    I just read that post at Cannonfire. And do you know who it made me think of? Jon Favreau. How can a 27-year-old be entrusted with writing speeches for the President? It’s ludicrous, unless all you want in your speeches are vague, shallow, meaningless platitudes.

    Oh wait….

  15. The NY Times was dead to me the day I stood in Washington DC with over a million people protesting Bush’s plan to attack Irag–and Judith Miller reported there were 10,000 of us.

    Fuck them. Let them die to the rest of the world, too.

  16. BB, shallow loves shallow loves shallow. It’s the “secret” of BO’s success. People respond to shallow. It’s so . . . . untaxing.

  17. Hey, sure you and all the other PUMA bloggers should accept money to blog if you can find a way to get it. That would not be selling out at all. And I am actually not down on selling out as long as you get a high enough price. But I so agree with Joseph. I don’t even read the paper anymore.

  18. who needs the papers when you got conflucians and murphy to get ya through the day?!?!?

  19. Magdalena, on January 25th, 2009 at 10:22 pm Said:

    The NY Times was dead to me the day I stood in Washington DC with over a million people protesting Bush’s plan to attack Irag–and Judith Miller reported there were 10,000 of us.

    Fuck them. Let them die to the rest of the world, too.
    *************
    The NYT is just as responsible for war crimes as are Bush/Cheney. During the “run up”, the NYT would put out some BS story about WMD on the Friday front page and on the Sunday talk shows, some POS from the Bush admin. would wave the NYT and say “See our lies are true because the NYT says so”. I hope they die a painful financial death.

  20. I love Joseph Cannon’s work.

  21. Who wouldn’t want a copy?
    http://www.pocketobama.com/

  22. oh FFS plainjane are you purposely trying to get me to toss my cookies?

  23. I would LOVE getting paid to blog.

    I would HATE being told what to write.

  24. Yup, SHV, I remember all that too. Horrible.

    But that day millions of people protested all over the world . . .

    It was such an important, personal day for me, as well as a global one, because I had never before participated in protests. And this one was massive. And I was there. I had no expertise on WMD . . . but I had eyes to see what was happening right in front of me. And it was huge.

    If the NYT survives, it will be the same story when BO wants to do something insane.

    Would someone please name one (non-blog) impartial, trustworthy newspaper or site?

    I actually trained as a journalist before switching to other forms of writing. My professors were amazing. They came from a long line of journalists who truly believed in objectivity. The reporting standards they held to were intense.

    What happened to these people? Where are they?

  25. OK, I don’t want to get all tinfoil hat again, but we are living in the midst of a very serious propagana campaign. It’s like the little red book.

  26. Taggles:

    If you want to toss your cookies, check this out:

    http://myiq2xu.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/why-obot-trolls-hate-women/

    NSFW

  27. BY THE WAY:

    I’m over 30 and I have zero wrinkles – except on my soul.

  28. BB:

    The only time we get conflicting news reports and editorials is when the corporatists that are paying the media salaries are in conflict with each other.

    When they are in agreement, they speak with one voice.

  29. I love Joseph Cannon’s work.

    My browser is set to open to three start pages – here, Klownhaus and Cannonfire.

  30. Magdalena, I can’t name one, and I just spend 60 seconds trying. I get my topline from Drudge for God’s sake, and I’m a liberal.

    sm77, thought you were going to bed.

  31. 3W, my problem exactly

  32. Even local papers spin the local news.

  33. Three Wickets:

    I’m going now… just that things got interesting here too.

    OK, EVERYONE…good night & sleep tight & make that bed feel right!

  34. Or to put it another way, re the media: when did everybody get so cowardly? When was the spine, the backbone of good reporting lost? Can you imagine if Watergate were happening right now?

    Oh, excuse me, I said “if.” My bad.

  35. Night SM!! See you tomorrow, I hope.

  36. jesus christ, myiq!

  37. He’s seeing a doctor about the problem, taggles.

  38. Money tends to corrupt, lots of money corrupts a lot.

    If the media depends on advertising, they edit stories about their advertisers. If they depend on their relationships with people in power they can’t afford to piss those people off.

    If they are owned outright by the rich and shameless then they report what they are told or they lose their jobs.

  39. He’s seeing a doctor about the problem, taggles

    Which problem?

  40. Taggles, what’s wrong?

    (Also did you get my email message last night?)

  41. KB:

    myiq2xu, on January 25th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

  42. Have you all heard about the subpoenas that Blago’s office had to release yesterday? A lot of Obama staffers are named.

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/01/feds_supoena_blagojevich_about_1.html

  43. Pretty much Murdoch, Immelt, Iger, Zuckerman, few others. Must stop Schmidt. Must stop Schmidt. My mantra before bed these days.

  44. Magdalena, on January 25th, 2009 at 10:51 pm Said:

    Or to put it another way, re the media: when did everybody get so cowardly? When was the spine, the backbone of good reporting lost? Can you imagine if Watergate were happening right now?

    Oh, excuse me, I said “if.” My bad.
    *************
    The eight Bush years make Nixon and Watergate look quaint and it’s just getting worse.

  45. {{shudder}}

  46. Guys, we are getting offers from advertisers. They *want* to pay us.

  47. SHV said,
    The eight Bush years make Nixon and Watergate look quaint
    and it’s just getting worse.

    Yes, they’ve gotten so much better at fooling us. Taken away
    people’s capacities for critical thought. Outorwellianing
    Orwell.
    Just think, most of those Obots we now disdain
    used to be working and marching alongside us.
    Now they’ve become pod people.
    That’s one big and scary change.
    When I saw “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” as
    a child I found it terrifying. For months after I would
    check my parents necks to make sure their minds hadn’t
    been taken over and that they weren’t “them” anymore.
    That’s what it seems has happened to many of our
    fellow Dems.
    And I’ve come to think that the “liberal” media, like
    Maddow, Olbermann, that they know exactly what the
    truth is, that they’re intentionally making things up.
    That’s far out there, that’s evil. Who are these people?

  48. The Confluence is like going to Hyde Park. Only silent.

  49. speaktruth:

    The talking heads have access to everything we do plus lots more. They are highly paid, college educated and spend their adult lives reading and reporting news. They are not-stupid. Let me repeat that:

    THEY ARE NOT STUPID

    It’s intentional.

  50. Leading up to the Iraq War – the Bush administration would leak info to the NYTimes. The Times would print it – and then the Bush administration would go on “Meet The Press,” wave the NYTimes and say, “See, even the NYTimes says it’s true!” The press was an active participant in getting us into the war. The few voices who spoke against it, like Phil Donahue, found themselves without a job.

  51. I have a post in spammy…it’s a brilliant post!

  52. DYB:

    I said at the beginning ot the thread “don’t go there”

    You’re entitled to your opinion but we’re not gonna discuss it here and now.

  53. Hmm…now I have two posts in spammy. The original and the one that complains about being in spammy!

  54. So there’ll be a thread later? I don’t see why we can’t chew gum and walk at the same time.

  55. Multiple posts in spammy. I’m giving up.

  56. riverdaughter, on January 25th, 2009 at 11:23 pm Said:

    Guys, we are getting offers from advertisers. They *want* to pay us.
    *********
    Good for you..go for it.

  57. Pat, I just ordered it too. I bundled it with another book & got free shipping. ♥

  58. katiebird: I did not think to bundle it. Good for you though!

  59. Will the advertising dilute to comment?

  60. Will the advertising dilute to comment?

    Never!

  61. myiq2xu, on January 25th, 2009 at 11:44 pm Said:

    DYB:

    I said at the beginning ot the thread “don’t go there”

    You’re entitled to your opinion but we’re not gonna discuss it here and now.
    **********
    ??????? I though there was I/P not that the NYT was a bunch of war mongering scum bags.

  62. SHV:

    We’re not gonna discuss Israel/Palestine or anybody’s view on the subject.

  63. I just read through the previous threads and Riverdaughter is putting me to shame with her endeavors. I had brunch with my son in law and daughter then came home and finished off another book that had been among the piles awaiting attention since Feb.

    Had a bite to eat and put the dishes into the dishwasher. For God’s sake I can’t get anymore atrophied if I tried!

    Pretty soon the neighbors or going to think they are viewing a still life when they pass by my living room windows.

  64. Has everyone seen the new Chia Obama? Scroll down and you can watch it grow!

    http://www.chiaobama.com/

  65. Pat Johnson, on January 25th, 2009 at 11:40 pm Said:

    The Confluence is like going to Hyde Park. Only silent.

    Nice Pat.

  66. Which Hyde Park?

    Noo Yawk where Gillibrand comes from or Chicago where Obama lived?

  67. London

  68. RD, what advertisers?

    Geez, why would they want to advertise to just 11 bitter gun-slinging yokels? LOL.

    5,123,536 hits.

  69. Ah, Hyde Park in London. MUCH better. (sighs) Would love to go back to London sometime. Hey, would be such fun with a few Conflucians. We could go listen to the House of Commons where the PM actually gets seriously questioned and even heckled. i.e. Blair the poodle of Bush.

  70. PumaInSeattle, on January 26th, 2009 at 12:13 am Said:
    RD, what advertisers?
    Geez, why would they want to advertise to just 11 bitter gun-slinging yokels? LOL.
    5,123,536 hits
    ************
    This is a good demographic for Amazon, B&N, Audible.com and Angienc might need more ammo for Lulu.

  71. [From the HRC foreign policy site]

    On Tuesday, Politico’s Glenn Thrush reported about a little tête-à-tête between Hillary Clinton and John Cornyn in the Capitol. Cornyn, you’ll recall, had just prevented a unanimous consent vote on Hillary’s nomination and Thrush, who saw but did not hear the discussion, characterized the exchange as “heated,” which Cornyn denied.

    Well, one of our eagle-eyed sources spotted the same discussion and was able to get within earshot just in time to hear Clinton warn Cornyn, “The Clintons don’t forget.” One day later, Cornyn’s objections to Clinton’s confirmation magically disappeared and the man who had set the roll call vote in motion voted in favor of confirming Clinton. Now let’s see how she handles Hamid Karzai.

  72. fif, that’s our Hillary!

  73. Hyde Park, London, there is a tradition of standing on “soapboxes” and “holding forth” on all matter of opinion. Pat poetically described this site as the same…only “virtual.”

  74. PumaS: I’m just hoping she “doesn’t forget” everything that happened in 2008, and when the time is right, she and Bill will spill the beans. THAT is a memoir I definitely want to read.

  75. I thought that was St. James park?

  76. It is Hyde Park in London that is famous for allowing anyone a platform to speak out for whatever cause. I have no idea if the same applies to St James Park but Hyde Park is famous for the soapbox speakers.

  77. “The Clintons don’t forget.”
    **********
    No truer words have ever been spoken. Bill’s whole political career is marked by being underestimated by his opponents..until they see the knife stuck in the bellies.

  78. SHV:

    Bill and Hillary have both been pronounced dead several times, but they’re still kicking and their enemies (Gingrich, Richardson) aren’t.

    (The twitching of a corpse don’t count)

  79. SHV — LOL! Thanks for remembering my LuLu — but I’m covered.

    Just popping in to say “hi” all — I’ve been MIA all weekend — not all work, but a lot of it. You know, Dec. Jan. & Feb. are traditionally really slow for debtor bks — but we have been swamped. I can’t wait to see what March looks like.

  80. Angie:

    You missed the fun last night.

    It was the naughtiest TC thread ever.

  81. And btw — don’t forget to listen to The View from Under the Bus on PUR this Wednesday at 9:30 EST.

    Ok, good night all! (I really was just popping in!) I’m beat.

    xoxo

  82. myiq2xu, on January 26th, 2009 at 12:37 am Said:

    SHV:

    Bill and Hillary have both been pronounced dead several times, but they’re still kicking and their enemies (Gingrich, Richardson) aren’t.

    (The twitching of a corpse don’t count)
    ***********
    Bill is the only politician who could get impeached for getting a BJ in the oval office and have his approval rating go up.

  83. myiq — ooh, don’t tell me that!

    But I was pretty naughty myself last night! 😉

  84. Alright, good night for real!

    bon soir mon amour.

  85. I read somewhere that the corruption of the media began long ago, at the point where newspapers began to make more money from advertising revenue than from newspaper sales, and so their advertisers became more important to the newspaper owners than their readers. In the electronic media, that problem is compounded by the staggering expense of the equipment involved and the electricity needed to operate it.

  86. G’night Angie!

    (bad girl)

  87. myiq2xu, on January 26th, 2009 at 1:05 am Said:

    G’night Angie!

    (bad girl)
    ***********
    What did Angie do??? Something to do with mud flaps???

  88. Thing is, Hyde Park is huuuuuuuge. Anybody know exactly where the soapboxes set up? (I may be heading over this year w/spouse sometime, regardless of the shitty exchange rate.)

  89. If TC starts getting adverts, will we have to do away with topics such as tea-bagging? Ya know…the topics we do late at night when RD isn’t around? 😉

  90. I just learned something from a blog that the msm would never print.
    On the deadenders website there is a post about the inaugural ball that backtrack DID NOT go to.
    The Heros ball. backtrack is the first president in 56years not to go to the ball that honors Medal Of Honor Heros.
    backtrack and meechele could make a rappers ball but not a Heros ball.
    Does that tell anyone what backtrack thinks of this country.
    scumbag bastard

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  91. Eleanor-ask anyone for Hyde Park corner and you’ll get there.

  92. Pampers has a little blue book yes like Mao’s….

    Quote on page 36:

    “to know and be one with Obama is to have peace and contentment”

    vomit bucket please

    Angie and Myiq2xu better stay out of the park would want you folks having to check yourselves for ticks latter!

  93. NYT is dead to me since they made up Whitewater (Jeff Gerth invented it), and followed that with sabotaging Gore, praising W – Judith Miller famous WMDs, sabotaging Wes Clark, then Kerry, then Hillary. Oh, yeah, and undercounting our numbers at ALL protests – if they mentioned them at all.

  94. I agree with you all and get my news from right here (my homepage) and The Drudge Report. The only problem is that this is more of an analysis of the news, if papers fail (and they will) who will gather the primary news for the blogs to discus. Seems to me that we will always need an AP or such. My hope is that we get one that is objective and does not spin the news as much as AP does now.

  95. Of course we need more than one news syndicate. They will need to be able to produce enough income to survive and do a good job.

    I think more fact checking is in order.

  96. Just saw this on the Drudge Report and wanted to share:

    http://www.drudgereport.com/flashpbc.htm

    It struck me as odd when I heard Pelosi claim that birth control would save the states money, and apparently I wasn’t the only one that questioned her claim. I couldn’t help but think of China’s one child policy … (this whole time I thought Democrats supported a woman’s right to choose and birth control so women could lead better lives, and now it appears that they’ve really been motivated by cold hearted cost savings)

    Seriously, I don’t oppose the type of spending in the stimulus package, I’m just not sure all of it is really intended to stimulate the economy.

  97. Has anyone seen anything on TV about all the subpoenas that Fitzgerald issued to Blago for information on contacts with multiple Obama aides?

  98. I put out a free local music magazine for as many years as I could afford it. Nobody got paid. Not the writers, photographers or editors, no one. On one hand I would have loved to pay them all because they were so talented and they put a helluva lot of heart into a volunteer job. On the other hand, the nice thing about no monetary compensation is that it attracts only those folks with a lot of heart, the passionate ones. We had advertisers but no one was told what to write. Perhaps for that reason we never were able to sustain the ad revenue. Who knows. But the problem isn’t taking money from advertisers. The problem is letting advertisers make editorial decisions. Once you cross that line, it’s hard to come back.

  99. >Take your Joe-hate somewhere else.

    Odd, I don’t recall using the term “hate” anywhere; despite what myiq2x appears to believe there is actually a lot of ground between “hate” and “Joe Rocks!”

  100. Advertisers want to actually advertise to the 50 paranoid holdouts sino-pervuian lesbians?

    I’m shocked!

    I say go for it, BUT PLEASE, no Obama Porn. We get enough through Obama’s propaganda squad, aka, MSM.

  101. Good Morning BB! Nope, haven’t see TV yet, I just got back from taking the PUMA cub to school & sitting down to read RD’s morning post.

  102. I saw ten minutes of Morning Joe this morning. It was way
    more than enough, between first slamming Paterson,
    yet again, and Gillebrand, yet again, showing them
    eating breakfast (?) together with Hillary, who looked
    very happy about the whole thing. (not the slamming).
    Then Rendell, who explained that if we had elections,
    the governor would still choose Dem and Rep candidate
    (one each). So it would just give us a chance to lose
    Dem seat altogether. Don’t people think? No, of course
    not.
    Sent me back here for some sanity with coffee.
    Only I can’t do morning yoga while blogging.
    Myiq said pundits are consciously and intentionally
    lying. I think that question needs to be explored more.
    If they are aware that lies are coming out of their mouth
    as they speak, that brings it to another level. I’m not
    quite ready to accept that as a given, but maybe…

    BB, I find it difficult to believe that any of O’s people
    will be outed at this late date. I think they took care of
    that, made some deal. Although it would be great if
    they were outed, it’s too much to hope for.

  103. RD – if we give up no editorial control, at least a % of that money could go to PUMA pac or 51% or, or, or.
    Just think about it. 🙂

  104. Can I know the reason I’m in moderation?

  105. speaktruth,

    We don’t always know the reason. I released your comment. But please don’t take it personally. I have even had to release my own comments and RD’s comments.

  106. speaktruth,

    I was asking about whether the news was being reported. I don’t expect Obama’s aides to be brought down. The ruling class has their man in the White House now. The only thing that will save the Republic at this point is revolution. I expect to be in a reeducation camp by 2012.

  107. i suppose one can still enjoy Joe Conason’s writing, but my stomach is just not strong enough to wade through stuff like:
    Defining ‘Bipartisan’ in a New Era
    By Joe Conason — When Obama delivered his stunningly eloquent and inspiring address at midday on Jan. 20, he provided a powerful hint of what bipartisan, a term hollowed out by habitual and insincere misuse, means to him now.
    (A bucket for monsieur)

  108. speaktruth, on January 26th, 2009 at 8:45 am Said:

    “showing them
    eating breakfast (?) together with Hillary”

    They were eating breakfast with Hillary?

  109. bb,

    Thanks. I wasn’t taking it personally (well, maybe a teensy
    weensy bit from my inner child), but was curious about
    standards I should know about. But it’s just random,
    I guess.
    One day I’d be interested in hearing how you guys do
    the moderation thing. I’m very grateful that you spam
    tr*lls, unlike No Quarter, where they can take over. Yik.
    And, yes, glad to see you are as cynical as I am about
    justice prospects.

    plural,
    They showed a quick screen shot of Hil, Gill, Paterson,
    and some fourth person, sitting at a table, all smiling.
    It was quickly taken off screen, but it looked like they
    were having some meal (lunch?dinner?). It looked recent,
    since they were together, but could have been any time.
    I’m glad if it is recent – hope Hillary mentors Gill.
    Hope Paterson allowed Hil to have a say in selection. I
    think he did.
    One small victory for our side.

  110. Not breakfast, Hillbuzz says it is lunch.

    Lunch with Hillary at Waldorf Astoria – photo here.

    http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/in-your-face-caroline-kennedy-part-two/

  111. Thanks, speaktruth and ecoast.

    What a great pic of four great New Yorkers.

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