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Friday: It’s a Girl!

Kirsten Gillibrand is expected to be appointed to fill Hillary Clinton’s seat in an announcement this afternoon by Governor Paterson. Gillibrand is a centrist Democrat from a conservative district in upstate New York. She’s a two term congresswoman with a reputation for being bold and forceful. With this appointment, Paterson is hoping to secure the vast wilderness of NY that is not Manhattan.

Hillary campaigns for Gillibrand in August 2006.

Hillary campaigns for Gillibrand in August 2006.

Of course, he may not have secured the seat against primary challenges in 2010. Gillibrand will likely have a contender or two, most notably Carolyn McCarthy, a congresswoman from Long Island (pronounced Lawn Guyland). McCarthy ran for congress on a gun control platform after her husband and son were callously shot by a deranged gunman as they were commuting home on a train. McCarthy is angry over the appointment as Gillibrand is one of the few Democrats who is supported by the National Rifle Association. Given Gillibrand’s district, the rolling foothills south of the Adirondacks, it’s easy to imagine that many of her constituents are avid hunters. But country folk and city folk don’t always see eye to eye on these things. It would be great if the NRA recognized that there *is* a difference and that having a lot of guns floating around a crowded metropolis where they can fall into the hands of the not-so-stable is probably not such a good idea.

Still, Hillary Clinton was an enthusiastic supporter of Gillibrand so I suspect that she’ll be pleased with this announcement. The NYTimes seems to be busily trying to find a way to smear Paterson by blaming him and his office for the botched handling of Caroline Kennedy. Personally, I’d like to thank him for taking his time and allowing the vetting of Kennedy unfold as it did. We learned a lot about the reclusive socialite, who doesn’t seem to have a political bone in her body, and the people at the NYTimes who were behind her. Something seriously weird has been going on with the Times over Kennedy. The articles written about the event have been nothing short of bizarre with a defensive tone and disjointed, out of sequence reporting of what actually happened. The sooner Caroline Kennedy is off the front page, the better.

So, Kudos to Paterson for doing the right thing and congratulations to Kirsten Gillibrand, the second female senator from the state of NY. She has some mighty big shoes to fill but if she was recommended by Hillary herself, then I’m sure the state is in good hands.

Lily Ledbetter, unlikely heroine

Lily Ledbetter, our newest heroine

In other news, the Senate passed the Lily Ledbetter act. The bill passed by 61-36.  We need to get a roll call to see which of our nation’s 36 senators voted against fair pay for women and to find out what their rationale was.  They have a lot of explaining to do to their non-burqa wearing female constituents.   Some of you ladies out there should expect to see a raise as your employers rush to head off any potential lawsuits. But there’s more to paycheck disparities than just discrimination:

The Senate debate on Thursday reflected society’s debate. Civil and womens’ rights advocates hailed the new Ledbetter legislation, but others said it will leave companies vulnerable to potentially crippling lawsuits even though discrimination is only a small factor in the so-called “gender gap” between male and female earners.

A 2007 report by the American Association of University Women found that when experience, training, education and other factors are weighed, discrimination accounts for only 5 percent of the earnings differential between male and female college graduates one year after graduation — and only 12 percent after ten years.

Nevertheless, Catherine Hill, an AAUW senior researcher who co-authored the study, said the Ledbetter law is needed.

“Most companies do the right thing anyway, but some will only do the right thing when they see laws on the books. And some companies have to be taken to court. Without (punitive) damages for discrimination, there really is no way to make them take the issue seriously,” Hill said.

However, Warren Farrell, the San Francisco author of “Why Men Earn More,” said that much of the pay gap can be explained by men choosing higher-paying professions that are in high demand and short supply, such as engineering, computer science, and information technology.

Men are also more likely to take dangerous, grimy jobs, such as collecting garbage and driving cabs, which typically pay more than other non-skilled labor.

Eliminating overt discrimination is only the most obvious thing to do. Now we have to figure out how to make the nation realize that sexism has a cost. When we don’t help girls and women succeed to the best of their abilities, it costs all of us the loss of their ideas to propel business and the nation forward. Ending pay disparities starts in middle school where we must now turn our attention to advocate for our daughters and to make sure they have the same opportunities to succeed as their male counterparts. That’s where we need to fight the next battle against gender discrimination so that girls are as prepared to study higher level math and science as boys.

Sometimes, evolution doesn’t happen gradually but in leaps and bounds. Let’s seize the day and take Lily Ledbetter up to 11.

112 Responses

  1. Congrats to Kirsten Gillibrand and for Gov. Paterson for this choice. Brava! Riverdaughter, for a great post and especially for articulating this:

    Eliminating overt discrimination is only the most obvious thing to do. Now we have to figure out how to make the nation realize that sexism has a cost. When we don’t help girls and women succeed to the best of their abilities, it costs all of us the loss of their ideas to propel business and the nation forward

    I hope that you and the other PUMA leaders will continue to expand on this over the coming weeks and months. It is a point of view I think is very important to get across when trying to win allies to this most important cause of equality and respect.

    In conjuction with what Heidi Li and Darragh Murphy and others are doing to bring attention to women’s contributions to the evolution of society in history, I think that your renewed focus on these issues are the right way to go and I applaud you all for recognising and shining a light on these matters.

  2. Blockquoting in wordpress has unintended consequences! The last two paragraphs of that above should be outside of the quoteblock!! arggh!!

  3. thanks for fixing my post Kim 🙂

  4. I’m wondering how this law will affect one of the greatest causes of discrimination of women in the workplace. That is the barely muted misogyny that eats at women’s self confidence like a cancer.

  5. Far too rarely, the right decision and the right political decision are the same. This time it was. Kirsten Gillibrand is a loyal Hillary protege, politically astute, smart, fearless and tough. In 2010, with Paterson, Schumer and Gillibrand on the ballot, Paterson made the right decision to remember upstate voters with Gillibrand. For once competency tops celebrity. Paterson did the right thing, something we see too rarely these days — kudos to him for it.

  6. hey wasnt she on our short list?


    PUMAs -01

    Bitter Obots-00

    we are having a good week compared to those purple ticket holders in the “tunnel of love”….

  7. Today is a “Great Day” for:
    *New York State
    *Clinton / her Supporters &
    Although she was not my personal 1st choice of Carolyn Maloney; she meets the criteria we all worked for so :
    “I’M THRILLED”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    “WE DID IT”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Congrats “fif”
    I believe she was/is your 1st choice
    It’s a “double” victory for America since CM will be “Chair” of a “Joint-Economic Group” between the House & the Senate.

  8. Now that we are getting the Lilly Ledbetter Act through Congress will Pampers sign it?

    He could pocket veto it or just veto it!

    Of course bitter republicans could join with Dems and overide a prezzy veto…

    not bloody likely

  9. Everythings comming up PUMA’s!

  10. What a great way to start the weekend!!!!
    Thank you for the information in this uplifting post.
    Sincere gratitude to Governor Paterson!
    Onward and upward!

  11. I am happy – although Maloney was far more progressive – I will celebrate. Another reason for merriment – there’s trouble in paradise – between Teh One and his base: the media

  12. Y’know, the NRA doesn’t need any more representatives in our Congress. So I am sorry it is not Maloney, but I suspect the Precious got his dibs in. And Hillary will support any Democrat, clearly. She stumped for BO. I don’t know what happened to Kennedy, but I suspect she was shoved under the bus. If her excuse, that her uncle became more ill, is true, it makes sense: BO doesn’t need to please a guy with no power. Bye, bye Caroline. I am not sorry she’s out; I just think it’s fishy. And the more powerful woman, Maloney, is not in–too liberal?

  13. Congratulations to Kirsten Gillibrand and to Gov. Paterson.

    I’m also thrilled about the Lily Ledbetter Act. Watching the Senate debate about the Hutchison Ammendment to the Lily Ledbetter Act made me realize that, although it’s important to support women in politics, I’m going to carefully consider which women I support. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) and Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) are no friends to women. The both spoke in favor of the Hutchison Ammendment which would have taken the teeth out of the Lily Ledbetter Act.

  14. I owe Gov Paterson some dineros but can’t remember how much I promised if he appointed one of our gals. Ah heck, I’ll give extra since I don’t know.

  15. chimera
    Obviously the Ted’s health was a poor excuse as she was proposed as “legacy” from the get go. reportedly, Unka Ted is furious she used that one. The most plausible one: Once again, sweet Caroline was “shy” about the family financial records. There must be a doozy there as she gave up $90,000 a year with the city for doing nothing to avoid flashing those.

  16. janicen
    What did the Hutchinson amendment propose? Just curious.

  17. “…Something seriously weird has been going on with the Times over Kennedy. The articles written about the event have been nothing short of bizarre with a defensive tone and disjointed, out of sequence reporting of what actually happened. The sooner Caroline Kennedy is off the front page, the better….”

    Very well put, RD. Every article I have read in the NYT about this is all over the map with quotes from sources, “…who have talked to Gov. Paterson…” The NYT has lost much of its credibility with me over that past 10 years, but this CK reporting is odd even for them.

  18. “Men are also more likely to take dangerous, grimy jobs, such as collecting garbage and driving cabs, which typically pay more than other non-skilled labor.”

    Our society has always seemed to value the traditional masculine jobs higher, either those that would seem to require more upper body strength or additional schooling (which wasn’t readily available to women until the last 50 or so years). Many garbage collectors now just sit in the truck and use an automated arm to dump the contents of the trash can into the truck. Some high paying manufacturing jobs essentially just require that a button or two be pushed while standing next to a machine that does all the work.

    I would say that many nurses and nurses aids have “grimy” jobs (and although pay has gone up in the past decade or so, they used to be underpaid). Daycare workers often have a high burn out rate, and although many don’t get paid much, it seems as though they should (shouldn’t the type of person a child spends most of his or her time with matter).

    I suspect that there is more unrealized sexism built into the wages for various occupations than most people realize.

  19. chimera, on January 23rd, 2009 at 7:04 am

    Kirsten Gillibrand worked on Hillary’s first senate campaign. I don’t think Obama had anything to do with Gov. Paterson picking her

  20. I am glad a woman is getting appointed, don’t get me wrong. I also heard about the financial records, but one other news talking point was something about her nanny. When is the last time a guy got into a fix b/c of a nanny (assuming it was not sexual, and even then…) I just don’t buy it. Obama kicks too many people under the bus.

    BTW, has anybody checked out the whitehouse.gov pages on civil rights and women? There are precious quotations from the Precious, and not one is after 2007. Guess between 2007 and now he has had nothing profound to say about either issue.

  21. edge, the amendment would have added a provision which said that the statute of limitations could begin when the woman first knew or could reasonably be expected to have known that she was being discriminated against. It puts an additional burden of proof on the complainant because you would have to prove why you didn’t know about this sooner.

    Having filed a discrimination complaint myself, I can tell you that nothing about the process is simple. When someone violates the law as in an assault, all you have to do is file a complaint with a magistrate or DA, and they will prosecute if they feel the complaint is valid. In discrimination cases, all of the burden and legwork is on the complainant and, if you don’t have the money to pay an attorney, you’re pretty much out of luck. I did my own legal research and prevailed in a settlement, but the company I complained about did everything it could to intimidate me. I can’t imagine what it would have been like if I would have had to prove when I first knew about the discrimination and why I didn’t know about it sooner.

  22. Terrific news on Gillibrand. As a very junior Senator, she’ll have just 18 months to prove herself before the 2010 interim election, but given all that’s going on in NY these days, there will be no shortage of opportunities for her to make a difference and build a reputation. She ought to take on Hillary’s seat in the Senate Armed Services committee. Gillibrand has been till now a member of the parallel committee in the House.

    As you point out RD, species evolution is understood by scientists these days as occurring in sudden bursts rather than gradual increments. The dynamics of natural selection as per Darwin is the same. The difference is that in the past, we thought of evolution as a slow process of passive adaptation. The preponderence of current scientific evidence shows, however, that significant change actually occurs as a reaction to the natural resistance to change built into the species state. This pressure builds up, and the evolutionary event bursts forth when it is pushed to the edge by extreme environmental conditions and stresses. An initial “sustaining mutation” if you will then triggers and cascades into a series of adaptation events that ensures the survival of the species. In other words, the stressful environment rocks the species into breaking thru nature’s barricade and manifesting a new adaptive genetic code that had already been written, was in storage, and was waiting for a triggering event. Interesting, no? Because society always imitates biology.

  23. Nothing promotes real hope for change than no-nonsense straight talk by a career public servant (one of their own) who knows what the hell she’s talking about. The entire entrance and speech was a pleasure to watch on the State Department’s new home page. Those were her people.

    My congratulations to Congresswoman Gillibrand and Governor Paterson.

  24. I disagree that Caroline was shoved under the bus. She never “purchased” a ticket in the first place. Caroline was left at the curb where she belonged. She was not prepared to take that ‘trip” to begin with.

    Kristin Gillibrand has paid her dues for the right to proceed. However this story played out, it should never have been Caroline Kennedy.

  25. janicen
    Thanks. You’re right, that would have made the effort harder. On Gillibrand – I am celebrating, but also reading this article from the 100% reliable Wayne Barett

  26. Happy to see a Blue Dawg in the Senate!

    Thank you Governor Paterson!

  27. Maybe she will be our first female president. Hillary is very keen on her. If Dean and Brazile can make a president, so can we. Aren’t you glad that I didn’t say ‘Yes we can.”

  28. Three: Um, You sound like a biologist. RU?

  29. Senate vote results:

    Grouped by Home State
    Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Nay Shelby (R-AL), Nay
    Alaska: Begich (D-AK), Yea Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
    Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Nay McCain (R-AZ), Nay
    Arkansas: Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea
    California: Boxer (D-CA), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
    Colorado: Bennet (D-CO), Yea Udall (D-CO), Yea
    Connecticut: Dodd (D-CT), Yea Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
    Delaware: Carper (D-DE), Yea Kaufman (D-DE), Yea
    Florida: Martinez (R-FL), Nay Nelson (D-FL), Yea
    Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Nay Isakson (R-GA), Nay
    Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Yea
    Idaho: Crapo (R-ID), Nay Risch (R-ID), Nay
    Illinois: Burris (D-IL), Yea Durbin (D-IL), Yea
    Indiana: Bayh (D-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Nay
    Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Nay Harkin (D-IA), Yea
    Kansas: Brownback (R-KS), Nay Roberts (R-KS), Nay
    Kentucky: Bunning (R-KY), Nay McConnell (R-KY), Nay
    Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Nay
    Maine: Collins (R-ME), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea
    Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
    Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting Kerry (D-MA), Yea
    Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
    Minnesota: Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
    Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Nay Wicker (R-MS), Nay
    Missouri: Bond (R-MO), Nay McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
    Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea Tester (D-MT), Yea
    Nebraska: Johanns (R-NE), Nay Nelson (D-NE), Yea
    Nevada: Ensign (R-NV), Nay Reid (D-NV), Yea
    New Hampshire: Gregg (R-NH), Nay Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
    New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
    New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Yea Udall (D-NM), Yea
    New York: Schumer (D-NY), Yea
    North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Nay Hagan (D-NC), Yea
    North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Yea Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
    Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
    Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Nay Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
    Oregon: Merkley (D-OR), Yea Wyden (D-OR), Yea
    Pennsylvania: Casey (D-PA), Yea Specter (R-PA), Yea
    Rhode Island: Reed (D-RI), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
    South Carolina: DeMint (R-SC), Nay Graham (R-SC), Nay
    South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea Thune (R-SD), Nay
    Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Nay Corker (R-TN), Nay
    Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Nay Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
    Utah: Bennett (R-UT), Nay Hatch (R-UT), Nay
    Vermont: Leahy (D-VT), Yea Sanders (I-VT), Yea
    Virginia: Warner (D-VA), Yea Webb (D-VA), Yea
    Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea
    West Virginia: Byrd (D-WV), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
    Wisconsin: Feingold (D-WI), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea
    Wyoming: Barrasso (R-WY), Nay Enzi (R-WY), Nay

  30. Finally, some good news from the homeland.
    Congratulations to Kirsten Gillibrand and to Gov Patterson who showed some balls with this appointment.

    Is it just me or is it just the case that these good news have nothing to do with BO?

  31. good morning

  32. Gillibrand’s appointment may be seen as a minus for the Obama camp. If Obama’s goal was to erode (destroy) Clinton influence in NY State, he just lost.

  33. RD, no but good guess. I began college as a biology major, finished with a philosophy degree, work in a field that as far as I can tell makes little or no use of either. But it’s all good. Happy Friday.

  34. Rumor has it that Caroline Kennedy’s marriage of over 20 years has fallen apart and she is romantically involved with Arthur (“Pinch”) Schulzberger, the Publisher of the NYT who was recently divorced. Remember that Pinch was a very close friend of Judith “WMD” Miller. It seems his emotional relationships are responsible for some really bad reportage!

  35. WTF??:

    Political strategist Donna Brazile noted the contrast between the excitement surrounding Obama’s inauguration this week and the general public attitude toward women in office, one that she said helped drive Kennedy out of the running.

    “Obama inspired us to turn the page, and now women seem stuck in the table of contents,” she said.

    Noting that women still make up less than 20 percent of both houses of Congress, Brazile said: “The elevator to our future growth in the Congress is still stuck in the lobby. It’s time we hurry history.”


  36. Oh! My! God!
    I just went through the entire Ledbetter rollcall
    Do u guys now understand why I HATE Republicans with such passion?

    PS: iPod blogging is painful

  37. That Brazilewax quote was from the WaPo

    “Does a Glass Ceiling Exist in Politics?”


  38. PS: iPod blogging is painful

    It should be

  39. RD, thanks for this post and the wonderful news.

    Gillibrand is a big Hillary supporter, and as a native New Yorker, I am happy to see upstate represented in statewide office.

    Woo hoo!! Thanks, Governor Paterson!

  40. Deborah – I had been hearing the same thing about Caroline and Pinch. I always thought it was too bizarre to be true.

    I think that Caroline expected to be given the Senate seat, as a deserved gift. She expected to be treated the same way Obama is treated with regard to scrutiny. When she realized that she was not going to be given a free pass, she chickened out.

    Patterson got stuck in an awkward position. He made the right choice though. Obama is probably pissed.

  41. Please go over and voice your objections to this article posted in today’s Washington Post:

    “Does a Glass Ceiling Persist in Politics?”


    The article is blaming Kennedy’s failure to rise to the occassion on sexism, similar to what happened to Clinton and Pallin.

    Kennedy came off as an inexperienced idiot when she was on camera, I am sure she is not like that in person but she is obviously incapable of public speaking, at least at this point. There are and were FAR more capable candidates, who have proven track records of WORKING for the people of NY and I am guessingi actually took an interest in politics long before 11/08 and voted!

    This pisses me off to no end, a total red herring that that washpo wouldn’t even write about when it was happening to clinton and pallin, heckk they were complicit in making it happen to clinton and pallin!

  42. I found that Barrett article interesting. All the complaints about her should please Obama and the Bots — not one of her ‘conservative’ votes is one that Obama hasn’t made himself (against gun control, eg), except she voted against the bailout. Which she should have, given that 75% of Americans were against it, it had no controls or accountabilities in it whatsoever, was an enablement of the same practices that got us into trouble in the first place, and wasn’t going to work (and in fact, hasn’t). Good money after bad.

    Gillibrand will have to run in 2010 and 2012, to retain the seat she will have to work in a way that keeps downstaters happy, and NYC is much more liberal than the district she represents now. I think we can cautiously hope (sorry to use that word) that she’ll pull more to the left going forward, if only to keep her job.

  43. Myiq
    show some compassion for ur fellow Conflucian dammit!

  44. The CK drama is the most bizarre I’ve ever seen.

    Sulzberger? That would explain a lot.

  45. myiq, I saw that in the WAPO as well. Pretty funny that Donna B. is whining about how CK was treated as a female in politics when she didn’t feel the need to say a word about how Hillary or Palin were treated.

    Donna B. is the biggest phony in all of politics, and that’s saying a lot!

  46. Yes, Ms. Brazile, the glass ceiling “still” exists and thanks to you it’s holding strong. Just keep shining it up nice and pretty as the boys use your wide a$$ as a stepping stone to climb on over it.

  47. Donna is pisssed off because Kennedy was supposed to destroy the Clintons’ influence in NY State. Supposedly the Kennedy brand would be able to bring in a lot of money for the Dems. In reality, Caroline is not a terrific fund-raiser. Nothing like Hillary.

    A lot of complex Obaman scheming fell apart when Caro whispered “no thanks” into the telephone. The Obaman scheming was based on ignorance of how NY State operates. There’s a great story behind this episode.

    Let’s see if Donna learns anything from it.

  48. Yeah, Gillebrand and Pumas.

    Gillebrand is in a traditional very strong red district.
    As is most of upstate NY.
    I live closer to NYC, with many transplanted city
    people, and it was still culture shock when I moved here.

    It was a big upset when she won. Partly, due to
    her opponent being connected to calls on domestic
    So she has to be pro-gun in her district, careful on
    the core issues. And I do believe she should represent
    her district at times, even when it’s not exactly her view.
    Hasn’t even Hillary been for some NRA views?
    I thought she was great when I heard her on
    NPR a few weeks ago.

  49. I think the fact that Donna B hasn’t been struck down by lightning for her hypocrisy is proof that there is no g*d.

  50. As to the Brazile quote, apparently she thinks Congress is good enough for women. The presidency, not so much.

    I agree: #**%&**##!!!!!

  51. Thank you Gov. Paterson. That’s what I call not blinking. Well played!

  52. LOL, Valhalla. I can’t argue with that!

  53. myiq,

    Do you have a link for that Donna Brazile story? That woman is unbelieveable!

  54. The Obaman scheming was based on ignorance of how NY State operates. There’s a great story behind this episode.

    Ha! I’ll be there is.

  55. Sorry, myiq. I see it now.

  56. CNN says CK was never going to be chosen:

    Gov. David Paterson had no intention of appointing Caroline Kennedy to fill the Senate seat vacated by Hillary Clinton, a source close to the New York governor told CNN Thursday.

    The source told CNN that Paterson did not think Kennedy was “ready for prime time,” citing her efforts, at times awkward, to try to win the appointment.

    “She clearly has no policy experience and couldn’t handle the pressure,” said the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. “Why would he pick her given how badly she handled herself in recent weeks?”

  57. Some brilliant Obamans thougth that Patterson just had to pick Caroline because the only other choice was Cuomo. (Forget those other two women, who ever even heard of them!) In the limited Obaman thinking pattern, Cuomo was poison because of his toxic divorce from Princess Kerry Kennedy. (In fact, this is not true because voters see Cuomo as the good guy, and PS who cares? Unless you’re a Kennedy, which most of us aren’t)

    A co-winner in this nomination is media addict Chuck Schumer. He thinks he can wrestle that skinny blond woman to the ground when there’s a TV camera around. At last, AT LAST! Chuck won’t have to share the spotlight. He’s ready to put on a white dress made of toilet paper and waltz on top of the seal of NY.

  58. The comment by Brazile is further proof for me
    that these Obots are aware and consciously LYING.
    How many phone calls came in to the DNC about
    the treatment of Hillary vs. Obama. I must have made
    about ninety of them myself. She wasn’t concerned
    about sexism one bit then.

    She knows this. And will say anything that works
    to further “their” agenda.
    Good! Makes me even happier that they chose
    Gillebrand. Kudos to Paterson. He really made a very
    risky move.

  59. gxm17, on January 23rd, 2009 at 8:48 am Said:



  60. From WP story:

    Shrum noted that much of the criticism of Kennedy centered on her demeanor — her soft voice and use of the phrase “you know” — similar to the types of complaints that were so prevalent during the campaigns of Clinton and Palin.

    WTF?! What verbal tics was Hillary criticized for? I don’t deny that Caroline was affected by the sexist attitudes that were unleashed during the campaign, but most of the criticism of her was similar to that of Obama–lack of any relevant experience for the office she sought.

  61. I can remember when the NYT was considered a beacon of truth. The paper of record. A “must read” each day for their accuracy and balancing of the news.

    Their downward slide is painful to watch since there seems to be no other major outlet available these days that deserves trust. The best that can be offered is that it has descended into a “rag” newspaper, infused with the vitriol of the Dowds, Richs, Herberts, and slanted editorials offered daily.

    Last Spring they “rushed out” copies of sexual implications involving John McCain and a female lobbyist while at the same time this alleged hanky panky was taking place between the owner and CK.

    The mighty have fallen and the NYT has slid far below its once vaunted standards. Better to get our newsgathering from sources like perezhilton.com or TMZ since there seems to be little difference in the output.

    The Times has made everything we read suspect. It really is a crying shame.

  62. I am in moderation with Donna B and she is fit to be tied! Help.

  63. It’s a Woman. Gillibrand is a great pick. I lived in NYC when she took office. I agreed with her position on opposing NY drivers licenses to illegal immigrants. So this bitter Republican is happy with the choice.

  64. CNN story is wrong. Paterson was going to pick Caro and was ready to do so up to 24 hours before she officially dropped out. Kennedy’s people created this Bizarro Double Reverse Camelot back story.

    I know less about what was going on with Paterson, but he had to cover his own ass too. I’m sure he was under a lot of pressure from Team Obama to hand-hold the timid Caroline. He asked her to wait another 24 hours before she officially took herself out of the running. That’s why we had that “she’s out, no she’s still in” period.

    Caroline had a lot to hide. Nothing wrong with that. But she is not tough enough to defend herself. That;s a fatal flaw in NY.

  65. plural, on January 23rd, 2009 at 8:58 am Said:
    CNN says CK was never going to be chosen:

    Gov. David Paterson had no intention of appointing Caroline Kennedy to fill the Senate seat vacated by Hillary Clinton, a source close to the New York governor told CNN Thursday.

    Yup, obviously she dropped out to save face. For some reason it brings to mind watching OJ’s range rover driving down the freeway after the murdes; we all knew then and there he killed her.
    She wasn’t getting the nod so instead of having the guts to sit out a loss, as politicians should be able to, she quit.
    But that former newspaper, the NYTimes won’t ever admit that, they had her already set up in her office d.c. It’s got to be someone else’s fault, Paterson, sexism, maybe they can blame it on Bill Clinton, what’s one more thing!

  66. Far be it from me to mention that McCain seems to have voted against the Ledbetter act. Hmmmm.

  67. Arabella Trefoil, on January 23rd, 2009 at 9:08 am Said:
    CNN story is wrong. Paterson was going to pick Caro and was ready to do so up to 24 hours before she officially dropped out. Kennedy’s people created this Bizarro Double Reverse Camelot back story.

    the only paper pushing that he was going to pick CK is the NYTimes and their anonymous sources close to CK. It’s another save face tactic.

  68. Bots have no trouble cloaking themselves in whatever political rhetoric they think will play well, regardless of the rank hypocrisy involved or the lack of connection with reality. And Brazile is the number 1 faker-lying-opportunist obot. Now that Obama doesn’t need her (has she been given a job in the administration?) she’s trying to claw her way back into relevance any way she can.

    She’s misreading the signs, though. Regardless whether Obama really wanted the seat for CK, he obviously wasn’t willing to spend the least bit of political capital on it, and we know he doesn’t give a hoot about sexism.

    So I can basically enjoy watching her drown in her self-generated irrelevance.

  69. Don’t forget that Paterson was one of the really
    Hillary supporters. Remember, he was in the group
    standing behind her when she made that speech on
    that horrible night in Iowa when Obama stole his
    first caucus.

    I always knew he didn’t want Caroline. I figure he’s
    spoken to Hil about this, too. It would have been such a
    dis to Hill, too, if she’d been chosen.

    I hate that they’re (NY Times, Obamas, and, of
    course, Repubs) are trying to slam Paterson now.
    Saying he didn’t handle it well.
    God! He never commented on this at all.
    Didn’t matter at all.
    They say “sources close (?) to Paterson said he
    said – then smear him for this. Hear ONBC saying
    outrageous things right now. Hate hate those people.

    We should all call with support for Paterson now.
    This was a big victory for us, and Obamas won’t let it go
    easily. They’ll probably try to destroy him.
    Very scary!

  70. I heard Paterson was going to pick her, but I was hoping all along he was tougher than they gave him credit for.

  71. We’ve already been over McCain’s opposition to Ledbetter. He’s for equal pay (he practiced what he preached on the campaign trail), but he sees Ledbetter and similar measures as opening the door to frivolous lawsuits.

    Gee, that sounds like a Republican, no? Shocking.

  72. Let me see if I can find a source for you about Paterson’s willingness to select Caroline. We was going to pick her until she withdrew her name. And it sounds as if Paterson encouraged her not to withdraw her name.

    Some people speculate (I’m not one of them) that Paterson owed Obama a solid on this one. Obama wanted Caroline.

  73. The thing about the CK story is that the media seems to be personally involved, which makes it even more byzantine.

    It means you can’t believe a word you read. lol

  74. Dumb me, but why is it considered “sexist” to question or criticize a possible candidate for a Senate seat who is unable to communicate without a “you know” inserted into every sentence, who has not voted for Dem candidates, who has no grasp of the issues, who has never sought public office, who had shown no desire to meet the public, who dismissed the press, who preferred to answer questions through surrogates, and who was unable to explain why she should be appointed without having to go through the paces?

    I do not consider that treatment “sexist” at all. Her feet should have been held to the fire like any other politician who wishes to achieve office. It misses the point to portray Caroline as a victim of the press when she chose to lay claim to a Senate seat without benefit of scrutiny.

    The games that were being played by both Paterson and the Caroline camp should not be forgotten. Lost in this world of “who owes who” were the voters of NY state. A pox on both houses.

  75. I have no idea of what I have done wrong but I am in moderation once again.

  76. plural, on January 23rd, 2009 at 9:15 am Said:
    The thing about the CK story is that the media seems to be personally involved, which makes it even more byzantine.

    It means you can’t believe a word you read. lol

    Also proves once again what a rag the late great NYTimes has become.

  77. MABlue: I hear ya. I have an iPhone too and if it weren’t for the fact that i absolutely adore the iPod feature of it, I would trade it in for a google phone instead. I can’t stand the touch keyboard. I’ve tried all of the tricks of the trade but much prefer the kind of keyboard that I had on my old sidekick.
    I just hope Steve Jobs gets inspired to include a slide out keyboard in the next version before he fades away.

  78. I don’t buy that Paterson was going to pick Caroline. If so he could have announced his intentions a while ago. Instead, he let her expose her inadequacy for the job more and more every day. That only helped a non-CK choice. He could have ‘saved’ her at any moment by leaking a clear preference for her, if not made an announcement, instead of letting her profoundly embarass herself.

    That he’d agree to that as a cover story so CK could save face, that I do believe. It’s a much more likely story than Caroline jumping into the fray and only then suddenly realizing she had personal concerns. I mean, wasn’t one of the big selling points for CK that she’d “been around politics” her whole life? Who better than a Kennedy would understand the vagaries of public office and how it can affect one’s personal life?

  79. So what is Donna Brazile doing these days? I lost track of her story arc.

  80. We’ll do something on Ledbetter when we get the chance to pick ourselves up off the floor about Patterson doing the right thing!

    I still think there was bad polling on this and that’s why CKS dropped out….however, we also have the nuggets about her problems….So, CKS, Richardson, and the Treasury nominee apparently PASSED the much-heralded VETTING process of Team Obama—leaving the Clintons out there to absorb the initial barrage of humiliation over THEIR vetting….to the point where the donor names to the Clinton Foundation (including mine long ago) were made public!!

    Yes, let’s see what Obama does with the Ledbetter act!!!!!

    And what will he do with THIS? A lawsuit against the current denial of Social Security benefits if people don’t want to sign on to Medicare Part A…..How will his SS-Medicare “reform” deal with THAT?????

    Obama’s Entitlement “Reform”– the Social Security-Medicare Nexus and Health Freedom


  81. PS–to the above comment caught in MODERATION….

    The Kennedy-Obama little “payback” scheme flopped on this one, didn’t it???

    Some of the little schemes don’t seem to be going perfectly, it seems…

  82. What helped Princess at the start ( besides being a Kennedy of course ) was being under Bloomsburg’s wing, his creature….but that also harmed CK too …. MB tries to gain a power base via others and it back fires with the BO crowd. But I expect the kicker was , as RD says, CK hasn’t a political bone in her body. Also she was raised to distrust the public ….and who can blame her? But all that hampers one from functioning politically even with the fawning press.

  83. This piece in Politico seems to cover a lot of the angles on the CK story, and enjoy doing so:


  84. Arabella Trefoil, on January 23rd, 2009 at 9:25 am Said:
    So what is Donna Brazile doing these days? I lost track of her story arc.

    she’s continuing to work hard and do her part in bolstering misogyny and sexism wherever she roams. Currently I believe she is planning more ms. covers akin to the superobama one.

  85. Great news! Although I personally preferred Carolyn Maloney, I am very happy with this pick!

  86. But where is Donna Brazille’s beautiful house? Where is her large automobile? Where is her ambassadorship?

    What did she get from Obama?

  87. Besides being happy it’s Gillibrand (and not the Princess or Cuomo), I am savoring some schadenfreude about Ted who earned his comeuppance in so many ways this year

  88. speaktruth, on January 23rd, 2009 at 9:12 am

    damaging Paterson was part of the CK deal….he has advoided thier trap, now he must pay.

  89. Donna was on CNN pontificating over inaugural weekend.

    I expect we’ll see more of her in the media.

  90. Anne, on January 23rd, 2009 at 9:31 am Said:
    Great news! Although I personally preferred Carolyn Maloney, I am very happy with this pick!

    I preferred Maloney as well, I don’t like Gillibrand’s stance on gun issues, but I think she is a good pick for the 2010 seat. We are going to be in even deeper muck come 2010 and people upstate will be sufferring even more than they are now (along with, of course, the rest of the nation). Gun issues will play little to no part in choosing candidates, not when the economy is in the gutter.

  91. I hate to see Paterson slammed for this.

    He did a courageous thing, knowing he’d take a lot of heat.
    And not only did he go against Obama, he didn’t pick the
    other popular choice, Cuomo. He gave us a woman
    instead, and I think, honored Hillary and Pumas with that
    I have yet to read the Barrett article (I do like him, though,
    but he didn’t step to expose Obama as I hoped he would),
    but I think voting against the bailout, with her fellow very
    liberal Congresspeople, gives her important liberal creds,
    where it matters.

    And, BTW, the NYT always had issues.
    I remember anti-Vietnam marches in the Sixties, the
    leaders would be shouting “We have fifty thousand people
    here, but the NYT will say there were ten thousand.”
    And they did just that.

  92. Patterson was smart to choose a conservative blue dog Dem for the seat. Harry is steaming mad I bet.

  93. I’m very glad Hill’s upstate gains will be helped with this pick. You can’t throw that away lightly. CK would have become even more upstate kryptonite as time went on. It’s a sad day for the likes of Giuliani since the sitting 2010 duck, Priness , is off the table . I wonder if we’ll ever learn the real story . What’s amazing is only Hill and Biden got anything from Barry so far . All his other and early big wig supporters got zip.

  94. If Caroline does not have a political bone in her body (which I believe because she has no instincts and clearly does not like being around the actual voters), was she just a little pawn pulled out when needed. If the Schultzberg allegations have any credence, the press has been full on conspirators to get Obama to the top of the heap. The stories in the NYT were ridiculous and should have royally pissed off Gov Paterson. The NYT tried to manipulate the Gov of NY and the people of that state. They deserve to go bankrupt because they are corrupt. I think the sh%t is starting to fly back at the press.

  95. JKFritz,

    What is your point? Are you a John McCain supporter or something? Or are you just trolling, as usual? Most of us here are Democrats from the Democratic branch of the Democratic Party–you know, the ones that Barack Obama doesn’t represent? The people who admired FDR, JFK, and LBJ, rather than Ronald Reagan. Oh, wait a minute! Obama’s idol, Ronald Reagan, was a conservative Republicans, wasn’t he? Hmmm…. Is that what you are also?

  96. Violet Socks at “The New Agenda”, a non-partisan group for women’s rights, stated that the Senate should be 50% women. So far only 75 of the 435 members of the house are women. Now 17 senators are women. The statistics do not lie

    As women, we have got to do better than this. Gillibrand is mod dem and forwarding thinking. I believe she will appeal to up and downstate New Yorkers,she is against gun control, pork belly spending. I would vote for her as a conservative. She should be home free in 2010.

  97. I haven’t trusted the MSM ever since Whitewater and Monica. They were so plainly tools. And after 8 years of them kissing Bush butt…… The National Enquirer is a far better source of news at this point.

  98. I was glad to see the news about the Lily Ledbetter Act and a picture of the hero herself. This is what a feminist looks like!

    That very pro-discrimination section of the McClatchy article was full of bias, however. Warren Farrel is a men’s rights advocate from way back and simply not to be trusted on anything concerning women. It’s like quoting Schlafly as a neutral source.

    And it was weird to see IT join manual labor in the list of occupations women don’t want because they’re too “dirty and dangerous”.

    Huh? I work in IT and discrimination there is open and unchecked, but that’s the only “dirty and dangerous” part of the job. It’s a white collar office job, for Pete’s sake!

    Women do want those jobs; they also want the pay the men get, the training the men get, the up to date computer equipment the men get and not to have their finished products and the credit for them handed over to men. Most women do not get these things. And a good number of the handful of women who stick it out know they’d better smile sweetly and say there’s no problem at all or they’ll be out the door.

    I also know that manual labor jobs are all male because of discrimination. That’s even more open – the companies will flat tell women the men don’t want women working there and what’re ya gonna do? One Catholic university cited the “traditional conservative culture” of their Latino work crews as a reason to exclude women. That’s quite illegal according to the non-enforced EEO laws. The few women that are hired as tokens, usually because of a rare consent decree, are either comfortably loafing mouthpieces for the company’s legal department or harassed unbelievably, including physical threats in what really can be a dangerous environment.

    “Too dirty and dangerous” has become the new unfounded excuse the media puts out there to justify overt discrimination. It’s total BS.

  99. Vtrucs, on January 23rd, 2009 at 10:02 am

    Excellent post!

  100. Seems to me that Patterson is much more politically savvy than the press would have its readers believe. Of course he supported Hillary–she was respected, admired and supported throughout the state, even in traditionally red districts, because of her genuine concern and efforts on behalf of all New Yorkers.

    Obama has no influence on NY State, outside of the money contributors on Wall Street. Patterson wants to be elected Governor, not just someone who moved up the ranks due to his position in the food chain. By appointing Gillibrand, he shows that he’s listening to Upstate and that he’s also listening to women. If he humored Caroline Kennedy, and treated her interest in the Senate seat with respect, that also shows he’s politically savvy.

    I also don’t think he was in a position to officially name a replacement until Hillary was confirmed as SOS. The press would have it that Patterson deliberately dragged out the decision for two months, but, in fact, if Hillary had not been confirmed as SOS, or personal circumstances made her decide to forgo the opportunity, Patterson would have looked very foolish. Hillary made it quite clear that she was not giving up her Senate seat until she was sworn in.

    Good for Patterson.

  101. Amazing, Vtucs. That’s a lot of interesting and important

  102. Another giant step for womankind!


    Funny too is the comment on gun vs anti RD. We are anti out here in SoCal pretty much — we just are.

    But, your point was interesting about the divide just in one state like NY — on that Cheeveresque commuter train.

    I loved this:

    “Eliminating overt discrimination is only the most obvious thing to do. Now we have to figure out how to make the nation realize that sexism has a cost. When we don’t help girls and women succeed to the best of their abilities, it costs all of us the loss of their ideas to propel business and the nation forward. Ending pay disparities starts in middle school where we must now turn our attention to advocate for our daughters and to make sure they have the same opportunities to succeed as their male counterparts. That’s where we need to fight the next battle against gender discrimination so that girls are as prepared to study higher level math and science as boys.”

    Let’s hope the new admin gets that loud and clear…

    Those battles were fought in the 70’s as I recall —

    What happened?

    ps: re the economy in the piece below—
    How toxic can it get?

    The way I see it, people out here are robbing banks ala 1930 — it’s on the news all the time of late.

    The whole deal is so corrupt — who can believe it?
    No checks and balances in those banks — and the executives taking the bonuses?

    Where is the Justice in that?


    I anticipate the end of the “mega-store” pretty soon. When Circuit City closed, that was really something. There are all kinds of businesses closing where I live.

    Lots and lots of empty stores.

    The whole middle seems to have dropped out — by that I mean the middle class. Very sad. Very corrupt.

    My town depends on tourism?

    It’s VERY quiet right now. Very.

    Locals like it, but overall I wonder what will happen.

    What a mess. And if there had been more women running things perhaps all of this wouldn’t be happening. Our values are different.

  103. “What id she get from Obama?”

    She got (took) his blanket from his chair at the Inauguration. Koolaid drunken, she showed it on CNN and said, she would give it back, but only if he wanted it.

  104. OT- Italian tv today was calling Hillary, “the person responsible for European Diplomacy”…
    (as opposed to calling her the SOS)

    (Condee was called SOS by them)

  105. speaktruth, on January 23rd, 2009 at 9:39 am Said:

    “And, BTW, the NYT always had issues.”

    Got that right. The NYT was very much opposed to women suffrage and incessantly and gleefully ridiculed Alice Paul and all those working for the cause that eventually enfranchised 20 million.

  106. Brazile has been given the task of winning over women who might otherwise be attracted by the anti-sexism of the Pumas, or Palin.

    She has already defined the PUMAs and the New Agenda as Right Wing Nuts.

  107. I’m just saying – McCain gets elected, this ain’t geting passed. Republicans are generally big on giving lip service to equal pay, diversity, etc., but it’s been almost 50 years since they did anything but get in the way.

    Seems worth noting, anyway.

  108. Congrats “fif”
    I believe she was/is your 1st choice

    Thanks tpt! Indeed she was. Being my District Rep, I have met her and we have friends in common who swear by her independence, principles, strength, and intelligence. I have read a couple of things in the past 24 hours that I have to investigate, such as her conservative support for gay rights, and other blue dog tendencies, but I imagine that has a lot to do with the very conservative/Republican district she represents. She would not have won twice without listening to those constituents. It will be very interesting to see if/how those policy positions change as she represents the entire state.

    Needless to say: I am thrilled, and I think she has the potential to be a great Senator and national women’s leader.

  109. Paper doll and speaks truth, thank you! The problem is not the law or women’s “choices”, the problem is and has been for over two decades now a judicial rollback in all discrimination law enforcement, and most effectively in the discrimination laws that were supposed to protect women. The media has been for all that time so opposed to women’s equality that this never made the news, but anyone involved with the law or who has ever looked at filing suit knows that the reality that apparent a millimeter beneath the media whitewash.

    Just as a for instance: the EEOC under Clarence Thomas just stopped enforcing its mandate, particularly concerning women. It was serious enough that it was part of a congressional hearing –before- the judiciary confirmation hearings. That’s documented in Faludi’s Backlash. It’s quietly been going downhill since then, most of the time just not investigating cases and issuing the equivalent of “we just didn’t have the time, so here’s your ticket to court letter” that employers invariably falsely cite as an “unfounded” letter. Again, Congress held hearings, in the mid-eighties to mid-nineties that went nowhere. The EEOC matters because they were set up to be the primary enforcement tool and worked remarkably well as this in the early 80’s.

    The alternative spelled out in the law, for employees to be “their own attorney general” does not work because lawyers will not take most cases involving discrimination against women; shamefully, women lawyers are no different that men in this. The few EEO cases one hears about involving women are usually race-based discrimination within gender-segregated job categories – in other words, making sure that women have equal access to women’s jobs. Very important, that – just ask Michelle.

    Money and the uncertainty of winning are two of the biggest reasons for lawyers not taking the cases: Congress in 1991, to correct the backward trend of Supreme Court rulings, passed legislation adding damages to attract more lawyers to take cases, but specifically limited women’s damages to $300,000. Race, religion and national origin damages were unlimited. Other things that went unnoticed were a much more lenient legal standard in the reason employers had to offer for sex, as opposed to race, discrimination. And there is the fact that courts simply began ignoring precedent and the actual language of the law throughout the 1990’s: for example, the unnecessary tests for physical ability that are never actually imposed on the male workforce but do keep women out of manual labor jobs have always been illegal, but the courts just keep on letting them pass.

    And Jon “Groper” Favreau’s would have had no problem in the Ninth Circuit if he had sexually assaulted an actual woman; Kosinski, who was just promoted to Chief Justice there, ruled in the late 90’s that a single sexual assault is no big deal and not something a woman can successfully prosecute a company for.

    And this is just scratching the surface. The unwillingness of the legal system to enforce the law is the primary reason women today are actually worse off than they were twenty years ago.

  110. None of the folks who voted against Ledbetter were women. Hutchison offered an amendment. It was defeated. All of the females voted for equal pay I’m happy to report. I’m happy Gillibrand got the seat. It’s a small success but I’ll take it. On an irrelevant note, I’m from Lawn Guyland myself.

  111. How dare that uppity Bluedog! “Nobody even likes her!”


    Well, wah, wah, effin wah.

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