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To Achieve Political Remedy

The Women’s Movement 

I have no degree in Women’s Studies. I have learned mostly through my own life experiences.  So please take what you want and leave the rest.  But recognize what you leave may be what keeps women from fully recognizing the power we hold but never wielded.  The reason for our failure to wield power is the subjugation of women in this country, which takes many forms.  All of them man made.   

But, the main reason for the subjugation of women is the failure that results when women seek a political remedy through the political process.  Women as members in the political process today have attempted to make life better for women in this country, and it has failed miserably.  Not because of the individual woman, but because of the political process.  To be a member in the political process you must take a side or have a viewpoint that is contrary to another woman’s viewpoint.  The power structure, the man made power structure, thrives on this division to suppress the one commonality.  As long as women are busy telling other women how to live their lives, we cannot be free to live our own. 

To achieve a political remedy the political submission of women in our political system must end.  Women must focus on the commonality.  The participation in the political process leads women down a road of division.  Until women fully reject the political process to achieve a political remedy, we will remain divided.  We must build our own political process.  A process, like men, where there is respect for difference of opinion and a respect of one another because of their one commonality, which is they were born male.  Women need a process that does not depend on the men and subjugated women who have defined what our roles should be.  We need to define our own roles. We know what has kept women in their place.  We know the political process seeks to divide and suppress the woman’s voice.   

This is not a call of revolution, or it might be in someone’s opinion, it is more a call for women to see things differently.  We need a political remedy, yes, but traveling down the avenue through the political process leads to a dead end street.  Of course women can hold their own views on a multitude of issues, but one should not lose sight of the one common thread, which is we were born female.

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131 Responses

  1. You are spot on. We are our own worst enemies. In my mailbox is an email from Hillary Clinton extolling the wonders of the way forward. I only wish that I shared her enthusiasm.

  2. thanks chatblu, it is difficult to verbalize what I mean. I am glad you understand.

    The political system is obviously patriarchic and women’s groups who participate within it, even though they think they are doing good, are doing the most harm to the women’s movement.

    Woman cannot be an arm of the washington insiders. We need to be ourselves, demand and not capitulate to the morsels thrown at us to keep us quiet. While the womens groups wine and dine with them to grow their own power. It is sickening.

  3. Taggles,

    Thanks for putting your ideas out there. I always think that is the best way to get feedback. Maybe it’s the way women intuitively do it? I know when I write a post, I always try to make room for discussion by putting it out there without all of my proposed solutions.

    So– I agree with you. We are basically shut out of the political process until we can get enough women into office to make a difference–30% seems to be the tipping point. So how do we do it? And even more important, how do we change things when the subjugated women are in control of all the high profile “women’s” organizations? Do we try to make puma equal in influence to them? Or do you have something else in mind?

  4. Yes, I heard you on the radio with angienc.

    That’s what PUMAs did this summer-loved Hill, but accepted and defended Palin.

    The word “feminist” to me is dead and gone-it smacks too much of women’s reps dining out and selling out to power. But it doesn’t work that way-to get anywhere you need your own base-much like BO did with Acorn.

  5. If you had made it a call for revolution, I’d be right next to you, too, Sister. Now how do we get started and KEEP GOING?

    BTW, will this blog and any others be an Obama-Free Zone tomorrow and Wednesday….I simply will not celebrate in any way, shape or form.

  6. I agree and “get” what you are saying. If my husband is an example of men, he gets confused by women on the MCM calling other women disparaging names.

    I grew up understanding that black people might call eachother the ‘N’ word, but it was still off-limits for anyone not black. The MCM doesn’t put ‘very serious black news people’ on TV saying the ‘N’ word, only black comedians do on cable.

    With women, it is a different thing and disparaging comments are used without awareness and women who are sold into the power structure are some of the worst.

  7. we need to demand a political remedy from outside a political process which always corrupts.

    We need to be unafraid to hold women’s groups feet to the fire and make them do the right thing.

    Most importantly we need to make our own process. Which we have been doing in some ways.

  8. Taggles, you have clearly stated a profound and revolutionary fact. Simple elegance. If any election ever supported your observation, this one certainly has. Working from the inside did not help. Fundamental political control is not in our hands and this fact crosses over into most other realms of our lives.

    We somehow not only need to build our own political structures and fund our own media, but we need to do so in a way that we do not permit the eternal “sniggering” about “those women’s groups.” We have to achieve real power and respect so that society can move forward in a positive way. We have the beginnings with Puma and other similar efforts. How much power can we achieve?

    I went to sleep last night somehow remembering so many little situations over the years where there were roadblocks that I did not even recognize as sexist — yet the rest of the scales have dropped from my eyes and I now see that they were. (Of course, I was keenly aware of many others.) I plodded forward in my work and, to a great extent, overcame the roadblocks. But the real control of the workplace, for example, was out of my hands. I could go only so far toward that infamous glass ceiling — not because of capability (for responsibility was loaded on me along with the usual flattery that “no one else” could really handle whatever assignment it was) — but because there was that hidden line in the sand where the men in charge said, “YOU cannot cross over to this side. You’re not one of us.)

  9. I’m in moderation…

  10. The new agenda isn’t bad and seems self made and not beholding to the political process. Of course, they will get a 20 second comment to kick of a 20 minute interview with a gender traitor.

  11. I just read this, Sheri. You’ve hit the bullseye. And it’s a big one. We thought political process was our friend. We were victimized by our friend. That means we have to say to hell with that friend and start over.

    Chatblu: I got that email. Read it for a change. It was actually very sweet, save for the single reference to BO and Joe Blow. She thanked us for standing by her. Called us her friend and hoped we’d be with her along the rest of her journey. No contribution button.

  12. Shainzona,

    I’m not sure what we are going to be doing tomorrow, but it won’t be celebrating.

  13. OT, but Obama isn’t going to reverse Bush’s limits on stem cell research after all.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17540.html

  14. Regency, I have gotten in the habit of deleting the messages – sorry I missed that one.

  15. BB: I’m shocked, I tell ya, shocked!

  16. So, apparently the HBO telecast of an Obama party that was supposed to feature Gene Robinson…did not feature Gene Robinson. He was cut from the telecast. And, reportedly, there were “audio problems” at the party itself, so most of the people in the auditorium didn’t hear him either.

    Shall we bet on how good Rick Warren’s audio is going to be?

  17. New Drudge headline: Kennedy is certain pick.

    I am all for more women representatives, but as a New Yok resident, this is the ultimate insult. Polls indicate that New Yorkers in every region do not think she is qualified or deserves the position. Apparently, like BO, that does not matter anymore. I am beyond disgusted. I do not have faith in this corrupt system anymore–it’s all for sale.

    This morning my poor 82 year old mom felt badly, because “everyone is celebrating history, and she can’t feel anything.” You are not alone Mom, but I do feel somethig: fury.

  18. Taggles,

    OK, but I still don’t understand how and to whom we make our demands then. How do we make our demands for equality if not through government or the media? The only way to make a difference in job situations, for example, is through government regulation or union organizing. An individual woman or even a large group of women in one company fighting for equality won’t create changes for all women. I’m sorry I missed the show last night. I’ve been having to work on my dissertation almost full-time for the past few days.

  19. We had an interesting dinner discussion with friends the other night and all of the women agreed, politics, power, religion – are all contrived by men to keep women under their thumbs.

    I am tired of just being a fingerprint in life.

    The first thing that I am already doing is NEVER supporting any group, person (including HRC at the moment) or faith that has shown itself to be a status quo for women as fingerprints rather than part of the real power structure.

    Right now I’m saving a ton of money, but I’m ready, willing and able to loosen my “purse” strings for some cause that really advances all women’s right. I will be looking to our new SOS to see if she comes up with anything worldwide.

  20. jjmtacoma, the new agenda wants to work within washington to affect change with a twist of bi partisanship.

    I want equality, not parity.

    Equality will never be obtained by asking and working with the people who do everything they can to keep it from you.

  21. Bostonboomer, we still seek a political solution. We demand one, but we do not participate in the process which will continually corrupt and deny equality for women.

  22. “Equality will never be obtained by asking and working with the people who do everything they can to keep it from you.”

    I wholeheartedly agree with you there, Taggles!

  23. We have to be prepared to become “radical”.

    We need to think out of the box. We will need to take to the streets. No doubt about it.

    I am ready for some idea.

    Angie had a great one last night about women who work for the campaigns of men. Imagine if women just stopped working for them.

    Well how do we get women to stop working for them.

    We are going to have to organize.

  24. Taggles,

    OK, that makes sense. I like this idea. I agree with you that The New Agenda seems to be just going the way of NOW and the other “women’s” groups. Even when Amy got on CNN, she didn’t push the case that Obama shouldn’t be on the cover of Ms. because he’s a misogynist. You can already see the signs that they will soften and compromise their arguments.

    So in a sense you see us as comparable to the labor radicals of the 1930’s–like the IWW (Wobblies)? We fight from the outside, making our demands for full equality known, refusing to compromise. Let the politicians make the compromises. We just demonstrate what the problem is by taking whatever actions seem appropriate?

  25. YES!

  26. Taggles,

    I wrote my comments about being radicals at the same time you wrote yours. Yes, I would be comfortable with being in that role. I’m sick and tired of settling for scraps. The second wave of the women’s movement began when I was a young girl. I’ll be dead before I see real change at this rate.

  27. Going outside the political process means revolution. There are basically two ways to do that.

    Doing it King’s way means putting large–massive–numbers of women out there as an undeniable physical presence. Sit-ins, teach-ins, marches, rallies. It also means facing more violence. Are we ready for that?

  28. Shainzona, on January 19th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    so true, participation within the patriarchy will never help until full equality is achieved.

    They try to fool women into thinking they have equality when in reality they use the woman to divide and make a mockery out of equality.

  29. King didn’t start out with massive demonstrations though. He started small, with Rosa Parks refusing to sit in the back of the bus and then with a few black people going in and sitting down at lunch counters until they were dragged out.

    The internet also gives us a louder voice and ways to organize over long distances.

  30. bboomer, the problem with the women’s movement is that the third wave failed to launch. My daughter looks at me as though I have grown a second head when I try to explain the importance of this. Are we noe second wave, part B? Do we pick up third wave? Do we march on to fourth wave? Quo vadis?

  31. Shainzona,

    I agree with you about Hillary. I admire her, and I respect that she wants to work within the system, but she’s on probation with me until I find out if she will actually stand up to Obama in her SOS role.

  32. fif> I told an Oborg friend yesterday (who thinks Caroline is just swell) that if Patterson picks her I’ll a) vote for whoever her Republican opponent is (even if it’s Ann Coulter) and b) vote for whoever Patterson’s Republican opponent is (even if it’s Rush Limbaugh.)

  33. I would be very happy to wake up to a morning when
    a womens’ movement, a black movement, a gay rights’ movement – you fill in the movement – is not necessary. We’re all animals, some more compassionate than others.

    I still delete all the emails from Hillary and Bill, Wes Clark, etc. asking for my support as we “move forward” because I’m pissed. I don’t watch tv anymore except for football/basketball games because I can’t stomach the mainstream media vomit. But maybe I’m missing the point, maybe it’s not about Hillary Clinton, female, losing, maybe it’s Hillary Clinton, politician, losing and that’s just how the nasty, dirty game of politics is played. She lost and we should suck it up and move on. I know that’s the only choice she has to succeed in Washington, sucking it up and playing by the nasty, dirty rules. Well, to borrow Bill Clinton’s words, the next four years are going to be “a fairytale.” And I know that Hillary will do an amazing job as so our “foreign president”, nicely put in a previous post.

    Here’s to you Conflucians. You still rock my world.

  34. If we start out small, we need to make sure that we keep it mock-free. We need some serious work – and we can’t let the Boyz turn us into a screeching, howling pack. That’s not to say that we need a PhD running things (nothing wrong with PhD, I might add!) – but we must be serious and draw other women to us with our humanity.

    Our public face is critical to keeping us legit. (No, I don’t mean pretty and shapely and all that other crap – but I do mean someone who is invited to speak and then speaks really well – better than the others).

    Maybe we start out being a clearing house for publicized crap against women. We find an article and them talk against it…create the talking points that we then take out to the rest of the world.

    Over and over and over and over again – until we get a foothold.

    That’s one thought.

  35. DYB – LOL, but you’re so right.

  36. Chatblu,

    I don’t know. It seems that most people are going to take the easy route through life until they are pushed to the wall. We made some real progress in my lifetime. Abortion was illegal until I was in my 20s. Most women when I was in HS couldn’t dream of becoming lawyers or doctors or even college professors. Equal pay for women? Forget about it.

    When I was young, rape wasn’t taken seriously by the legal system (it still isn’t taken seriously enough). There was no recognition of the problems of domestic violence against women and children when I was a kid. No one talked about child sexual abuse or incest. Those problems are at least out in the open now. But I’m afraid we are going to lose ground under Obama.

    I think that young women now have no understanding of what it was like for women just 40-50 years ago. There is no sense of history in this country anyway. And, as Taggles points out, so many women get co-opted in order to work within the system and advance themselves as individuals. Most people aren’t going to want to be radicals. If we want to start a mass movement, we will have to go further than most people are willing to go.

  37. okasha skatsi: “Doing it King’s way means putting large–massive–numbers of women out there as an undeniable physical presence. Sit-ins, teach-ins, marches, rallies. It also means facing more violence. Are we ready for that?”

    We’re already facing violence – not just physical, but emotional, economic, spiritual – and I believe with this incoming administration, it will only get worse. I agree with taggles that working within the system is wasting our time – the master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house.

    The violence against women does need to stop being invisible – or deliberately ignored or denied. We can start small – it’s a start.

  38. Music is a powerful tool for radical actions. Also writing and publishing books, which is a lot easier these days than it used to be.

  39. okasha said
    “putting large–massive–numbers of women out there as an undeniable physical presence. Sit-ins, teach-ins, marches, rallies. “

    We’ve done that-it didn’t work.

    What is needed is massive electoral reform. If one person-one vote had been in place Hillary would have won. I know that women can cheat- but men cheat massively (wankettes).

  40. MargaretJamison at AROOO said this in a recent post. It knocked my socks off because it speaks to the heart of the matter:

    “It has always been my assertion that because of such a hierarchy, the women and girls at the top of the heap enjoy their relative comfort at the expense of the women and girls at the bottom.”

    Personally, if this were the motto of a new women’s group, I’d bet we’d attract a lot of new friends!!!

  41. Given the size of the PUMA base, anything self-published on our market could be a bestseller in no time.

  42. That’s true Shainzona 10.39

    I have a lot of respect for Murphy.

  43. Yes Shainzona, I am not talking about publicity stunts. We need real action. Real pressure. BB is right it will probably have to start out small.

    Your idea is a great one!

  44. BB – the problem with trying to get women today to understand what we did/tried to do for them 40 years ago is that they just re-write history. We “boomers” were divissive and now everyone wants kumbaya – as if kumbaya will bring the entire world to a new, peaceful time.

    The only way that will happen is if all people – men and women – turn to one leader whom they adore, worship and obey.

    I don’t want to live in that kind of world, because we all know what they really means. I mean, really, shades of Germany in the 30’s.

  45. ABC News:

    “The inauguration will mark the climax of a weekend-long celebration — and for African-Americans, a 200-year wait for the country to live up to its promise of equality for everyone, regardless of skin color.”

    Not even a mention of the fact that “equality for everyone regardless of skin color” doesn’t include those of the female or gay persuasions.

  46. bb–Right, King started out small. PUMA is already at that stage, with our presence in Denver, for instance. Starting small means being peristent. More small demonstrations, sit-ins at Congresscritters’ offices, whatever. Ultimately, though, we’ll need numbers and women who can speak for the movement as a whole. And then we will need to connect again to the political process. Hillary was right. It took MLK and LBJ to get the civil rights acts passed. The only man I see who could be LBJ to a women’s rights movement has already had his two terms. Which brings us down, again, to electing a woman.

  47. I think as well that murphy’s place is a good place to organize.

    she can write stuff like to make you want to get off your a$$ and do something. There is already a large core group of like minded women there.

  48. Word of mouth would carry any literature the rest of the way.

    Someone had the idea a while back for us to begin to take advantage of the multitude of talents and commodity offered by various PUMAs. We have lawyers, doctors, growers, etc. If we showed our strength economically by taking our business to each other, wouldn’t that make a statement?

  49. OT…I am watching CNN & Foxnews with tribute for MLK day. I just watch Fred Gray-Civil Rights Attorney about how he became an attorney and went back Alabama to destroy everything that was segregated. This to me is more important than the coronation of BHO before he ever accomplish anything for other people. Becoming POTUS is great but what will you do for Americans is another thing.

  50. Politics is about Power and Power is about struggle. Take another run at the mountain and keep faith. My take on the process is this: It isn’t mysogny nor is it sexism, but simply a reluctance to embrace women in leadership roles. At the goal line, evenly matched ‘teams’ oppose each other. Once a woman crosses that goal line, it will become more commonplace to succeed, but until she’s “called” to that role by destiny, we’ll just continue to scan the horizon for her. Keep on keepin’ on, and SMILE! It’s important to stay pretty.

  51. Laurie, it is cultural for many men. Flops in basketball that get free throws are OK. If you can hold in Football without getting caught, that’s OK too. It is perspective, cheating on your wife is OK if you don’t get caught too.

    It seems like it is only ‘cheating’ to many men if the consequences are realized, otherwise it is just strategy and the “other team” was doing it too… so that makes it A-OK. Principle is for loosers.

  52. Yes, Murphy has done a wonderful job of organizating so far. She makes it so easy to send e-mails by providing prototypes for us to use. I admire her very much. I also think she has done a good job in her public appearances, and she will get better. I’m sure Riverdaughter would also do a good job if she decides to be more public.

  53. Murphy’s Place. Nice ring to that….is there another universal name for our “place”? Any ideas?

    I personally love Puma – and will always be proud to use that word with regard to my political life this past year. But Puma has been made a joke of, so I don’t know if we can make it seriously legit enough. Is Murphy a good spokesperson or is she too linked to Puma? (I want Puma to stay in existence and take care of the political part of our “problem”).

    Just thinking out loud……

  54. Taggles, thank you so much for the comments. Good way to reflect on MLK, Jr. Day. I so much want to say, “I have a dream, too – that one day, we’ll have a Woman President!”

  55. The thing is for women to make it harder for men to cheat in Politics.

    That is something that can unite all women.

  56. Shainzona: I agree with you, we must start small. Someone commented about a clearinghouse idea. I think that’s a good one as well. Pumas live in all parts of this country. We can all take the responsibiity of sharing with each other events that are taking place in our community that impact women; share information about relatively unknown groups that are working to help women and girls and what impact they’re having and what obstacles they face.

    We must also be careful not to demonize women who find themselves working for men, organizations or groups we detest. It’s possible their personal situation doesn’t allow the luxury of foregoing that work. We all gotta eat. We must always remember that we are here to support women not dictate to them.

  57. BB…I have noticed the coverage all weekend. Now that we have a “black” POTUS, all our problems with inequality is solved..Not! Women again take the back seat to race. What about all those women that walked so that BHO could run for POTUS. I watched the Emily’s list presentation yesterday on Cspan and the new Senator – Hagen from NC went to use the Senate Club pool and found that it was only for men….WTF

  58. Shainzona, murphy and RD are both great assets. You shouldn’t worry so much about the puma “label”, although I do not totally disagree either

    Read back through the history of the suffragist movement. Many of he same tactics being employed now against PUMA’s were used against women like Alice Paul and Susan B. Anthony.

    Mostly along the lines of religion and race and other womens groups.

  59. BB @ 10:43 – Soooo right! Why do we need to keep track of all the things we need to do to make this OK? I am so tired of hearing how the playing field is becoming level now that we have a black president. Will this make anything substantially different for the woman I ride the train with to work or the kid who’s bagging at the grocery store. Will their world change? Maybe. Maybe President Obama will open some doors that were previously stuck but I believe we need to open doors for all of those that are struggling including blacks.

  60. Regency,

    Exactly. People perceive us as down and outers, but we do have a wide range of talents and professions represented here and at other puma sites. I have suggested to RD in the past that we could put out a book of writings.

    In the early days of the rape and sexual abuse recovery movements, that is what people did. They put their stories out there, and that made more people wake up to what had happened to them. Until women really started to talk about being raped, there was no recognition that women could be raped by someone they knew. Until women started talking about domestic violence, there was no recognition that it was even wrong for men to beat their wives and children.

    We are already doing what we need to do. We have been writing about our anger–about how we feel about being ignored and margininalized in the political process.

  61. Good Morning Conflucians. The Boston Herald is under fire by the American Thinker

    Can Obama land a damaged plane?

    Ethel C. Fenig

    The Obama royal crowning ceremony from a Higher Spirit is reducing normally sane folks to slobbering fools. But what if they’re slobbering fools already?

    Boston Herald columnist Margery Eagan manages to do the nearly impossible–diminish US Airways pilot Chesley B. Sullenberger III’s heroic feat of landing a dead engine plane safely in the Hudson River by comparing it to The Office of President Elect Obama’s feat of well, getting elected.

    America luxuriated Friday in the nerves-of-steel performance of US Airways pilot Chesley B. Sullenberger III because it was reassuring to finally see a high-stakes performer not just do the job, but dazzle us.

    Incompetence is too much with us of late.

    America is either prudently optimistic or downright giddy over Barack Obama for the same reason we swooned for Chesley. Barack may be fooling us, though he did look jubilant riding to Washington yesterday on a train caboose bedecked in red, white and blue. He radiated youth and vigor. He always radiates competence, calm, grace under pressure, preternatural self-confidence.

    I’d quote more but it might make you ‘frow up. Or smash your computer.

  62. Delphyne–Yes, I know we’re already facing violence. Apart from routine institutionalized and socially condoned violence against women, PUMA demonstrators have already experienced it on a small scale with Obots. What I’m talking about is dogs and fire hoses type violence, updated to tasers and rubber bullets.

  63. SofiaNY said: “[he] became an attorney and went back Alabama to destroy everything that was segregated.”

    Very interesting way of putting it.

    We need a really strong legal arm for our new efforts. A whole group of really effective attorneys who focus only on women’s issues. Maybe even a pro-bono arm to help all women in their struggles.

  64. Joanie, I agree. I do not place criticize individual women. I criticize the women’s groups who sell out individual woman for scraps. All for their own power and importance.

  65. Good morning, Riverdaughter and Moderators – Let me know if I can post an Email here that I just sent to the NBC Today Show, and copied over to the Doris Kearns-Goodwin site, about their segment this a.m. (Note: Just cross-posted over at Uppity Woman, who was gracious to include (under her segment on how “Barack Obama Finally Found Everything He Wanted In a Dog” – funny photo).
    ——————————————————————-
    Today Show Producers, Doris Kerns-Goodwin,
    You just stated in one half-hour segment (9 a.m.- 9:30 a.m.) that in other Presidential Inaugurals, the “stars”, or glitterati, were not available to the public. You claimed the Obama Inaugural was the first, or unique to do this by having the concert at the Lincoln Memorial, open to the public. That is simply not true. I’m astonished this claim would be made, and by such a celebrated historian as Mrs. Kearns-Goodwin.

    You showed a photo, presumably with President-elect Bill Clinton and Michael Jackson with a woman celebrity (?) at an indoor event in 1993 (? – you did not ID with a caption), while your voice-over claimed in previous Inaugurations those were indoor events, not open to the public.

    Both the interviewer and Mrs. Kearns-Godwin are old enough to recall sixteen (16) years ago, when then President-elect Bill Clinton and Vice-President-elect Al Gore came to town by bus, up through Virginia, over the bridge to the Lincoln Memorial for an outdoor concert AT the Lincoln Memorial. It was called “America’s Reunion” on the Mall. (I still have the T-shirt, memorabilia, etc.) There were Jumbotron TVs set up down at the Lincoln Memorial for thousands (+100K) to view in 1993, just like planned for this year. The numbers back then would qualify as “throngs”, just like you characterized this year; I know this because it was hard to reach the actual Lincoln Memorial site with all the people packed in. In fact, there may have been more people on the Mall in 1993 compared with yesterday, owing not just to warmer weather, but the following.

    During the “America’s Reunion” event in 1993, in contrast to this year, there were numerous tents and venues set up for entertainment up and down the length of the Mall, with hundreds of thousands of people milling about during those days before the Clinton-Gore inauguration. It was free, and open to the public. In other words, the “stars” WERE accessible to the public. You claimed that had not been the case before, and particularly insinuated as much by posting on-screen the photo of President-Elect Clinton at an indoor event with Michael Jackson & company. Actually, there was much more real entertainment on the Mall throughout the day in 1993 (e.g., live musical performances) – not just “stars” or actors showing up to do readings in 2009 at the Memorial. I recall a great variety and diversity of people and performers, or different colors, musical styles , etc. sixteen years ago as well. In other words, the variety of entertainment was just as representative as has been claimed for this year’s event, perhaps more so. Depends on the commentator, or judge of diversity for America at any given time.

    E.g., Depending on how you want to judge “diversity” and “representative” or America – if you hate the Blue Grass Music they had back 16 years ago, and deem it irrelevant, or not “Hip” for this “scene”, then I guess it’s one category that you would scoff and guffaw at, or discount entirely. I also saw Folk Music at “America’s Reunion”, as I was thrilled to squeeze into the packed tent to see Peter, Paul and Mary. You may likewise dismiss Peter, Paul and Mary as a bunch of old, fuddy-duddy Folkies! But if you didn’t know, or appreciate the fact that P, P & M played at the Lincoln Memorial for the March on Washington in August 1963, before Dr. Martin Luther King’s “I Have A Dream” Speech, then I submit your history education, and appreciation or their musical contribution through their participation in numerous Civil Rights movement events and marches, is sorely lacking. FYI – Other Folk Musicians did time in jail, arrested right along with other Civil Rights marchers, for protesting – many marching right alongside Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., or in other places, with other less famous leaders of the movement. (E.g., Ask Judy Collins about singing with Fannie Lou Hammer in Alabama in a 1964 after a march for voting rights, in jail.)

    Your NBC Today Show segment this a.m. left the impression that the only Inaugural events for Clinton-Gore in ’93 were indoor, for the paying elite, and the only acts were Michael Jackson with Fleetwood Mac (if the photo you flashed included Stevie Nicks). That was simply not true, in terms of events, or performers

    Re: Events Outdoor Pre-Inaugural Events Open to the Public in 1993 – Again, I will attest this was the case because I was there 16 years ago, and participated, as a citizen. Check with the National Park Service if you want real facts, and real data on both events (1993 “America’s Reunion” and yesterday’s event at the Lincoln Memorial). Otherwise, it seems I have a much better memory of the previous Inaugurations than the NBC Today Show interviewer, producers (who put up the photo or Clinton), and guest historian, Mrs. Kearns-Goodwin. Just curious: was your interviewer and Mrs. Kearns-Goodwin also in Washington, D. C. sixteen years ago for that Inaugural? I’d be willing to bet at least your historian was there, providing commentary.

    Please correct this error in your presentation today, or ASAP, and don’t keep repeating the falsehood.
    Regards,
    (Removed here to protect ID)

    P.S. – I’m exceedingly disappointed that you would seek to discredit former President Clinton, and perhaps others, to promote our current President-Elect. To do it with a falsehood compounds the disappointment. It’s totally unnecessary for your interviewer and guest historian to re-write and omit history the way you did this morning, and dissuades people from wanting to view your network for Inaugural coverage. Ratings matter, right?

  66. The women’s movement must exclusively remain the women’s movement. When Alice Paul secured the right for women to vote she secured it for women of all races and she was called a racist every step of the way.

    We cannot be side tracked. That is the road of division.

  67. I am 42 years old black woman professional. I cannot remember being discriminated against because I was black. It was always an issue because I am a woman. When I bought my home in Long Island, the seller could not understand that I had a pre-approved loan with just my name. Where was the man, where was the husband…as if? I worked in the #1 accounting firm in the world where only men were partners & managers….Let’s try to educate our young women because they take so much for granted!

  68. “The Obama royal crowning ceremony from a Higher Spirit is reducing normally sane folks to slobbering fools. But what if they’re slobbering fools already?”

    Game. Set. Match.

  69. I do think that the third wave of feminism has launched. WE ARE THE THIRD WAVE.

    If you had ask me a year ago if I were a feminist, I would have said flat NO. Now this define me in a big way. I think that our numbers will grow and we should be ready to receive all those women and men who have nowhere to go (ala brazile). IMO the fight as to be first a protection of acquired rights. We do not want to loose ground, and there is resonance in that fight, because it is change women, young and not so young, do not want.

    The third wave does not have to be radical in its rethoric. On the contrary it has to be conservative in the pure sense of the way. Protect and conserve the rights we have now.

    The fight itself can use radical but non-violent ways. Obama is organizing online immediat intevention group who can be mobilize to spot intervene on selected issues. We can do the same.

    We need a closed-door convention to draft a Agenda and structure ourselves.

  70. Someone tried to start a pumapedia-but I always had trouble posting anything there. Software needs to be easy.

  71. Shainzona,

    That blog you mentioned, AROOO, looks really interesting. I’d love for you to make some other recommendations. I’m down to just a few blogs at this point.

  72. But Puma has been made a joke of, so I don’t know if we can make it seriously legit enough.

    Now, Now. When did PUMA ever let public opinion effect our cause?

    Throughout history there have been attempts to make a joke out of many movements and champions. Leaders do the impossible and the unpopular.

  73. Will Obama be the first President to wear a crown?

  74. Liberty Belle,

    Great letter. If the media can’t even remember 16 years ago, imagine how hard it will be to get them to remember the days when I was a kid in the early ’60s! Maybe that’s why they don’t notice the scary parallels between Obama’s propagandizing and Mussolini’s and Hitler’s? No, I don’t think that’s over the top.

  75. They’ll make a joke out of us anyway.

  76. […] Read the rest or Taggles’ wonderful post. […]

  77. Taggles, your thoughts hit home with me. Thank you for sharing them.

  78. Afrocity,

    Margery Eagan is a dolt. She is one of those righties who suddently turned into an Obot. She is on talk radio too. She is supposed to be the right-leaning side of the duo, but she fell down on the job this year. She’s more ga-ga over Obama than the left-leaning guy on the show.

  79. I am watching a biography of MLK on the History Channel.

    There are so many inaccuracies in it.

    Interesting how they dump the whole King wiretapping on Hoover without mentioning that, Hoover could not have done so without the approval of Democrat President John F. Kennedy, Democrat Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy – ho authorized– the wiretapping of Dr. King’s telephone by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Wiretaps were placed by the FBI on the telephones in Dr. King’s home and office. The FBI also bugged Dr. King’s hotel rooms when he traveled around the country.

  80. They’ll make a joke out of us anyway.

    “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.” — Mahatma Gandhi”

    We’re at stage two right now

  81. good letter-Liberty Belle!!!

  82. I was a little disheartened two days ago, when I posted an invitation for people here to check out Sarah Palin tonight on Fox at five o’oclock

    A few people said they would, a lot said they would never consider it, because Glen Beck is a sexist pig. If Hillary were starting another run at the white house and appearing on Hardball, would you watch?

    Let me make something clear, I am not a Republican, I am not conservative about most things. I beleive that, in the end, women should control their own bodies, however… I know that we will get nowhere if we reserve our help and companionship for Hillary lookalikes. The truth is, in a 51% solution, there will have to be Republicans, and moderates, and even some conservatives. If we can find women who want to protect the rights of women, care about everyone, and are set against the kinds of things that decimated the true political process this past year, then we had better start taking names, and being supportive.

    I don’t know if I will still think Palin is a decent person in another four years, or even six months. I know I won’t think Obama is, because of what he did to get where he is. I am not interested in moving people to the Republican side, but maybe in moving people closer to each other, without sides.

    So, before you dismiss other posters ideas so cavalierly, please remember that some of us may have been through a whole lot of this before, and would, finally, like to see some real change happen.

    We have that possibility right now, but it requires opening your minds, and seeing just how well you can play with others. I sincerely hope more of you will watch Palin tonight, and when and if you become aware of other possible leaders doing media shots, let us know, so we can all become a little better educated as to where our support will do the most good.

  83. Liberty Belle..good letter. From all the coverage I’ve managed to stomach over the last couple days, Clinton’s presidency/inaug. references have been negligble. it’s almost as if they are trying to erase it completely.

  84. (NOT Sheri Tag; I’m the other Sheri that hangs around here lurking. LOL)

    Thanks, Taggles, for a wonderful post! It is so true and we must fight and keep fighting.

    To LibertyBelle: Wow! Great letter! Thank you for this piece of history. This is what has happened, though – the media can rewrite history and say whatever they want – as long as it fits into The One’s Agenda. He is in fact, once again, a product and they will spin the story the way he wants it. He will continue to compaign as long as he can – from Day One. It makes money dontcha know. He’s already setting everyone up saying over and over that our problems can’t be fixed in a month, a year, even four years. And the polls they ran yesterday show that people are more than happy to put their blind faith into him before he has even sat down in his chair in the Oval Office. This is scary stuff.

    “Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see . . .” John Lennon, Strawberry Fields Forever

  85. Arthur Silber is back again:

    “So Jon Favreau, Obama’s chief speechwriter, has done a lot of work on Obama’s inaugural address.

    Does this mean Obama will talk about Hillary Clinton’s tits?

    http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2009/01/imperial-pageantry-for-moronically.html

  86. myiq2xu….then we’d better be getting ready for the fight.

    I am – I am THAT pissed. (Pardon my language.)

  87. My thoughts echo yours, and the great suffragist, Susan B. Anthony’s.

    It is time for women to unite:

    http://syd4.blogspot.com/2009/01/preparing-your-comebacks-for-51.html

  88. myiq, I would be surprised if Obama wrote any of it himself.

    This MLK documentary showed that MLK had his speeches in his head. He quoted Plato and Aristole all from memory. There was no teleprompter.

    Obama’s speeches were starting to sound canned during the campaign. Now they really sound canned. They are so repetitive and really have no soul behind them.

  89. Arthur deserves his own post – coming right up!

  90. I am a huge fan of Arthur Silber.

  91. Taggles: absolutely right on. The political process did not create the Civil Rights Act; it was the protests, demonstrations, and hard work ( and lives)of volunteers who went into the south to bring attention to the problems there. It was Rosa Parks deciding she’d had enough of sitting in the back of the bus and Martin Luther King leading the US as Gandhi did India. But here’s the problem as I see it. Gandhi and King understood how history had brought them to the point of disenfranchisement. Women do not. That is why I have begun to write my series of explorations on anthropology, archeology,,evolution and even animal live styles. We need to understand our history in order to find our way out. If anyone wants to join me send me an email: meinthecatsden@gmail.com

    p.s. sorry for the long comment

  92. afrocity, on January 19th, 2009 at 11:15 am Said:

    I am watching a biography of MLK on the History Channel.

    There are so many inaccuracies in it.

    Interesting how they dump the whole King wiretapping on Hoover without mentioning that, Hoover could not have done so without the approval of Democrat President John F. Kennedy, Democrat Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy…
    ************
    That is “history” as written by Teddy White and Jackie. If you want to get a look at the “real” JFK as a politician, listen to the White House tapes of JFK talking to Gov Ross Barnett during the James Meredith “crisis”.

  93. Catsden,

    Which is what I said during our “HERSTORY” segment on the our blog radio program The View From Under the Bus
    There is an absence of women’s history in our collective memory. This is something that is easily remedied but it will take a concentrated effort on the part of women, especially those who are policy makers in the academic arena.

  94. Shainzona, on January 19th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    There is Vital voices
    http://www.vitalvoices.org/desktopdefault.aspx?page_id=734

  95. afrocity, on January 19th, 2009 at 11:24 am Said:

    Obama’s speeches were starting to sound canned during the campaign. Now they really sound canned. They are so repetitive and really have no soul behind them.
    **************

    I too have found Obama’s speeches particularly lackluster. He displays almost no affect. Add a lack of substance and he’s in the minus numbers. It does puzzle me that we see this so differently from so many other people.

  96. OT…but has the “Obotesphere” taking any notice of Gene Robinson being kicked to the curb yesterday?

  97. taking=taken

  98. New thread

  99. Purple,

    Obama’s heart is not in it. Al Sharpton was on Bill O’Reilly last night and said that people Should Not Expect Obama to Be a Civil Rights Leader. Obama is for himself. MLK was for everyone.

  100. Thanks to all of you, especially: bostonboomer, Sheri, laurie and soupcity for reading my letter sent via Email this a.m. to the NBC Today Show/Doris Kearns Goodwin. Makes me feel taking the time out to write during our MLK, Jr. Holiday might have been worthwhile (and that MLK, Jr. would agree).

  101. afrocity, yes. MLK’s speeches resonated with a broad base.

    BTW regarding your push for women’s history – Women’s History Month is in March and International Women’s Day is March 8.

    http://www.internationalwomensday.com/

  102. Warrier princess,

    Good points. I will try to watch Palin tonight.

  103. SHV,

    I’m going to try to post about Robinson, if someone else doesn’t beat me to it.

  104. Great article and you did not use the f-word to force all women into the man’s mold.

    On the huge agenda items such as elimination of sexism and misogyny there is no coming together with the strength needed. Our culture that is determined to keep women “in their place” has used divide and conquer as usual to separate and dissipate our movement.

    I have never liked being called a feminist – I’m a woman. I’ve never seen or heard the term masculinist – NO! Men remain men and are mostly allowed to have differences from each other; women are not.

    Feminine describes what our society tries to forced all women into being. Trouble is, we do not all fit in that frilly, polite, empty headed box. We, like men, have differences from each other. We are each unique and many of us reject a lable that characterizes our actions or values.

    Back in the day when we were meeting in watch parties, we used the words woman’s groups to describe ourselves and we became aware of the wonderful variety of womanness.

    “I am woman, hear me roar!” Can you sing “I’m a feminist, hear me roar” without laughing?

  105. After I became a PUMA, I returned to quoting what has always been my favorite line from my favorite movie, “Casablanca”:

    “Welcome back to the fight. This time I know our side will win.”

    — Spoken by Resistance leader Victor Laszlo to club owner Rick Blaine.

    PUMAs are The Resistance. This time, we have to win. The fight has already started.

    I can see the battle lines being drawn right now — Like many other Hillary supporters, I continue to take heat for supporting her over Obama in the primaries. The fact that “the black candidate” actually won (sort of) does not seem to be making these Obots any happier than they were when Hillary was challenging him for the nomination. Why is that? I voted against The One, but obviously my vote had no effect. So why continue to trash me for supporting “the woman” over “the black guy”? The only way this makes any sense is if you see the ongoing misogyny in their ridicule. It makes no sense, except for their perception that Hillary is more threatening to them *STILL* because she is a powerful, capable WOMAN who rightfully deserves to be the Leader of the Free World. They would rather have a half-assed MAN of any color whatsoever than a brilliant, charismatic WOMAN, no matter how much more qualified she may be than the dude. They wanted her GONE — but guess what? She’s baaaa-aaack. And she’s going to LEAD THE BLESS-ED FREE WORLD, whether the Obots like it or not. Hillary will be OUR HEAD OF STATE, literally and figuratively.

    So, we are now teetering on the edge of a very sharp cliff, looking down at the angry ocean. We cannot be afraid of going off the cliff. Let’s just be sure we have all of our survival gear in place before they come up behind us and push us.

    Women need to stick together.

    HEADS UP — Sarah Palin will be the guest of talk show host Glenn Beck on FOX News tonight at 5:00pm EST. I am not a Palin supporter, but I would like to know what she has to say. A couple of weeks ago, she actually made headlines by blasting the MSM for their sexist coverage of her campaign. She also accused them of “classism” against her! When was the last time you heard THAT charge?? And this was coming from a conservative Republican, no less!

    As the Jefferson Airplane song says,

    “When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead,
    and the white knight is talking backwards,
    and the red queen’s off with her head …”

    Strange days lie ahead. Keep the faith.

    NYCgirl

  106. Tags, I hear what you’re saying. But I don’t agree with this:

    “A process, like men, where there is respect for difference of opinion and a respect of one another because of their one commonality, which is they were born male.”

    because I’m not convinced that men respect one another. I think they’re actually pretty mean to each other!

    Also, although your disclaimer at the beginning of your post fits to RD’s disdain for certain women with women’s studies backgrounds, I’d like to point out:

    Women’s Studies is still in its infancy. Women have had to fight long and stupid battles with university reptiles in order to create Women Studies programs. I myself took one of the very first Women in Art History classes offered in the US and my instructor had to face ridicule and work like hell to convince her university to allow her to teach that one, breakthrough course. I still remember how a male illustration instructor remarked at my pro-GLBT advert that I was spending too much time in her class; one of the most important classes I ever took.

    Stick together, right on. We need to bring about change within and outside of politics.

  107. Taggles,

    You are spot on at 11:00.

  108. Addendum, possible correction Re: Civil Rights (and Women’s history) – Judy Collins may have been arrested in Mississippi with Fannie Lou Hammer, not Alabama. SNCC had the Mississippi Freedom Riders Singers at that time.

    Also, Judy Collins rallied for the ERA in the late ’70’s, early ’80’s, before it was killed. Believe she met her husband, Louis, through one of those events.

  109. Will we be required to begin wearing burkas next?

  110. […] is its own reward Posted on January 19, 2009 by bettycrackerfl Shorter Taggles: Women’s rights will never be advanced via the political system because men control it and […]

  111. The word feminism has been mocked through the years. We are reclaiming it. We are the PUMA Party and the Fourth Wave.

  112. We also reclaimed the words liberal and progressive.

  113. Meanwhile, OpenLeft has moved into full PUMA mode:

    There is no value in being positive toward Obama for the sake of being positive toward Obama. What is more important, honesty or a certain tone? When it comes to progressives grassroots activists discussing the most powerful man in the world, the answer must be “honesty.” That, I believe, is something we can all agree upon.

  114. I agree that women need to work outside the political system that has failed us again. The struggle I have with this premise is how do we support the women that are currently in the political system and have risen through the public service ranks? Didn’t Madeline Albright say that women need to help other women? How do I then rationalize not wanting to endorse the Caroline Kennedy appointment? I guess for me it’s that she is not the typical woman moving up the ranks, but rather an entitled elitist being rewarded for her support of BO. But that’s how it works in the male dominated political system – you reward those that suported you. How do we differentiate who we should support? What are the criteria?

  115. okasha katsi: What I’m talking about is dogs and fire hoses type violence, updated to tasers and rubber bullets.

    Sorry I’m late in responding to this – yes, the those threats of physical violence will be made to keep us in our places. They’ve been used for centuries to keep us fearful about doing anything to live freely as women – in our own authentic way, undefined by men. Keeping that violence in mind is necessary, but it musn’t paralyze us. The ongoing discussions and delving into our herstory is a beginning, a first step – then we’ll deal with the next step.

    Moderator – a clean up is needed at 12:53.

  116. Revolution, taking to the streets does not happen unless life and limbs are at stake, i.e. the draft/Vietnam War/anti-war/60s movement.

  117. As a 70 year old feminist “of the 2nd wave,” I too marched for the ERA and took many women studies classes. The place(s) I started were in reading Mary Wollenstonecraft’s “Vindication of the Rights of Women” and Betty Friedan’s “Feminist Mystique”. They are very difficult to read. They represent women’s reality(ies) from periods that are almost 200 years apart. Of course, Wollenstonecraft was a citizen of Great Britain.

    I am a particular fan of Susan B. Anthony who gave her entire life for ‘the cause’ and was ridiculed every step of the way. The 3 volume set of books, “Life & Work of Susan B. Anthony” by Ayer (which was re-printed in the 1980s) is a classic on the American women’s movement. It too is very difficult to read but well worth the effort.

    Because of reading the women’s history books, I went to law school to try to make a difference and have seen some real progress in my lifetime. We need to fight to keep the rights we have fought so hard to gain, and continue the fight to gain more rights on our path to becoming full and equal citizens.

    With all the hearthaches, set-backs and disappointments, I remain convinced that the women of the United States can still make great strides to break the last greatest hardest glass ceiling within the next few years. If you don’t know about “The White House Project” go to their website and read all that Marie Wilson and her strong women are doing to elect women to office. At least we have a Democracy and have a chance at getting women recognized..unlike Afghanistan and many countries where there is really no hope.
    Sorry this is to long, but this is a topic very close to my heart.

  118. I don’t know this work thing is getting in the way of keeping up with the Confluence.
    As long as we have a MSM that “reports” their own opinions, that make it up, that lies and is lead by $ we will have a mighty struggle to bring women together – and if we aren’t together we will find it incredibly hard to move forward – not that we can’t move forward but it will be incredibly hard because communication is the vehicle that takes all where they want to go.
    Delphyne The gains we saw when I was a young woman were made at great sacrifice, physical, mental, monetarily, etc. Then along came Raygun (as Myiq calls him) and young women believed the pap that we had it made and didn’t need to keep pressing for rights.
    We too will (again) have to make those sacrifices if we want to move forward.

    AfrocityI heard this AM that O is “personally writing his own inaugural speech” 😆

  119. I have to say, I was a little unnerved with yesterdays discussion of sexy, where our own group seemed to be implying that sexy is about looks or showing some skin. As far as I’m concerned sexy is a state of mind and it doesn’t require that you show skin. It’s about self confidence and self worth. It’s about walking that line between confidence in your own worth and vanity.

  120. sheri: We have to be prepared to become “radical”. We need to think out of the box. We will need to take to the streets. No doubt about it. I am ready for some idea. Angie had a great one last night about women who work for the campaigns of men. Imagine if women just stopped working for them. Well how do we get women to stop working for them. We are going to have to organize.

    bb: So in a sense you see us as comparable to the labor radicals of the 1930’s–like the IWW (Wobblies)? We fight from the outside, making our demands for full equality known, refusing to compromise. Let the politicians make the compromises. We just demonstrate what the problem is by taking whatever actions seem appropriate?

    We can use Lynette’s Code Pink idea of twenty-five guerilla fighters who are willing to stand up to affronts against women and get arrested.

    Lynette Long: I NEED TWENTY-FIVE COURAGEOUS WOMEN

  121. Very Alice Paul.

  122. laurie: I know that women can cheat- but men cheat massively (wankettes).

    jjmtacoma: it is cultural for many men. cheating on your wife is OK if you don’t get caught too. It seems like it is only ‘cheating’ to many men if the consequences are realized, otherwise it is just strategy and the “other team” was doing it too.

    sheri: Read back through the history of the suffragist movement. Many of he same tactics being employed now against PUMA’s were used against women like Alice Paul and Susan B. Anthony. The women’s movement must exclusively remain the women’s movement. When Alice Paul secured the right for women to vote she secured it for women of all races and she was called a racist every step of the way. We cannot be side tracked. That is the road of division.

    bb: People perceive us as down and outers, but we do have a wide range of talents and professions represented here and at other puma sites. We are already doing what we need to do. We have been writing about our anger–about how we feel about being ignored and margininalized in the political process.

    Men used misogyny, race-baiting and cheating in the primary and blog awards to maintain their class position above women. They used misogyny and race-baiting against Susan B. Anthony and Alice Paul too to keep women in their place. Alice Paul and her crew were also ridiculed as loud, unfeminine and scrappy by men and other women. But Susan B Anthony and Alice Paul made history. What will our legacy be?

  123. Donnadarko:

    Who are all these men cheating with?

    Unless they are all closeted gays they are cheating with women.

    Neither sex has a monopoly on virtue.

  124. “Men” as in patriarchy and its enablers.

    madamab described what happened this year in the election and blog awards best:

    I ask you, if you were a member of the privileged class, would you ever, ever give up one iota of that power without a fight?

  125. Her statement sums it all up.

  126. myiq-I was referring to political cheating-you know the kind that goes on in back rooms, and the Senate old boys club. Or the fratboyz cheating at the poll stations, or like the wankettes at the weblogawards, where cheating was considered normal strategy.

    Not that Donna Brazile and Nancy Pelosi didn’t play their part (It’s just less widespread among women)

  127. Like jjmta said-it’s a cultural not a physical difference.
    And elite schools play their part too.

  128. Sit down strikes are effective.
    Do not work for a male candidate that is not in the best interest of women.
    Do not contribute to a political party that is not in the best interest of women.
    Do not buy products that sponsor tv programs that are not in the best interest of women.
    Work together on the issues you can agree on.
    ERA , health care, child care, economic parity and other issues.
    Abortion seems to be used as a weapon to divide women but there are so many other issues on which we can agree and work together.
    We have women of all professions that can contribute their expertise to many issues.

    Make a statement Point out issues Work together
    Refuse to be treated without respect.

    I taught my daughters people will only do to you what you allow. It is time to stop allowing bad behavior towards women.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  129. Years ago people were afraid of Jimmy Hoffa because he could shut down the commerce in this country by telling the trucker to stop for one day.
    Yes he was a crook but he had power and used it when necessary.
    I can not remember the name of the transit union official in New York that could shut down the city if necessary.
    I know these are extreme examples but it has become an extreme time in the treatment of women and something has to be done to stop it.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  130. Great thread to read!

    I am constantly amazed at all the brain power here.

    Maybe all women should just stay home from work one day, across the nation. Do you think that would get any attention?

    Maybe we need a women’s union: Murphy’s Place does, indeed, sound like a good name for it.

  131. When they stay home from work that also means
    no cooking
    no cleaning,
    only enough child care for the safety of the children.
    No shopping.
    No taxi service for family.
    Make it a complete strike.

    This would be a good time to stock ahead of time on the bonbons we are always accused of eating.

    Make a statement. Make a point. Make the people pay attention. Make a difference.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

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