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Friday: Krugman harshes Obama’s mellow

The Shrill One offers some advice to Obama in the Jan. 22 edition of Rolling Stone, available to us 6 days in advance through the miracle of technology.  It remains to be seen whether PEBO will actually take him up on any of this.  After all, Krugman had his chance to speak to Obama when he gave marching orders to the other members of the so-called “liberal” press and Krugman chose not to attend.  (But Naomi Wolf was probably there!)

Krugman offers the same liberal, FDR type solutions that were engaged for the last Depression soiree.  You know, nationalizing the banks, demanding that taxpayers get something for their money, using federal money to put people back to work, new social safety net programs, yadayadayada.  The Grover Norquists of the country are popping carotids left and right like they always do when Krugman opens his mouth.  Krugman apparently wants to drag the government out of the bathtub and commence rescue breathing right away.  He says that the legacy of the FDR programs caused something called “The Great Compression” where the income disparities between rich and poor were minimized and this lead to one of the most productive periods of American history in terms of growth and innovation.  Frickin’ liberal.  Doesn’t he know that relentless hardship builds character and that we’re all post partisan now?   All he wants to do is protect labor, improve wages, strengthen the social safety net.   But we always hear this same kind of thing from Krugman.

What I *hadn’t* heard from Krugman and what strikes me as a damn good idea is his proposal for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission:

There is, however, one area where I feel the need to break discipline. I’m an economist, but I’m also an American citizen — and like many citizens, I spent the past eight years watching in horror as the Bush administration betrayed the nation’s ideals. And I don’t believe we can put those terrible years behind us unless we have a full accounting of what really happened. I know that most of the inside-the-Beltway crowd is urging you to let bygones be bygones, just as they urged Bill Clinton to let the truth about scandals from the Reagan-Bush years, in particular the Iran-Contra affair, remain hidden. But we know how that turned out: The same people who abused power in the name of national security 20 years ago returned as part of the team that, under the second George Bush, did it all over again, on a much larger scale. It was an object lesson in the truth of George Santayana’s dictum: Those who refuse to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.

That’s why this time we need a full accounting. Not a witch hunt, maybe not even prosecutions, but something like the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that helped South Africa come to terms with what happened under apartheid. We need to know how America ended up fighting a war to eliminate nonexistent weapons, how torture became a routine instrument of U.S. policy, how the Justice Department became an instrument of political persecution, how brazen corruption flourished not only in Iraq, but throughout Congress and the administration. We know that these evils were not, whatever the apologists say, the result of honest error or a few bad apples: The White House created a climate in which abuse became commonplace, and in many cases probably took the lead in instigating these abuses. But it’s not enough to leave this reality in the realm of things “everybody knows” — because soon enough they’ll be denied or forgotten, and the cycle of abuse will begin again. The whole sordid tale needs to be brought out into the sunlight.

It’s probably best if Congress takes the lead in investigations of the Bush years, but your administration can do its part, both by not using its influence to discourage the investigations and by bringing an end to the Bush administration’s stonewalling. Let Congress have access to records and witnesses, and let the truth be told.

“Full faith and credit of the United States” needs to mean something to the world or it will stop lending to us and trade in our dollars.  When there is no accountability, there can be no trust.  And with no trust, there can be no negotiation in good faith.  What we end up with are nations and people who will be constantly looking over their shoulder worried that they’re about to be stabbed in the back.  I suspect the reasons that the banks aren’t lending to each other or anyone else right now is because it takes a cheating bastard to know one.  In this kind of environment, the worms that lie in the mud have to be forced to hatch out so we can see what we’re dealing with, learn from it and make sure the people responsible never have a chance to operate in positions of power ever again.  Their lawless behavior is going to result in chaos and hardship for many citizens for years to come.  There has to be accountability or a country of laws mean nothing and our money and our word become worthless.

Of course, we’re talking about Obama here so don’t hold your breath.  The guy got the nomination by theft.  (Don’t you stupid Obots go off about how Hillary ran a bad campaign.  Save your breath.  We know who actually ran a bad campaign because he required the RBC hearing to overturn primary results in order to barely eek out a win.  Deal with it, guys.  You elected the weakest link.)  The country was so desperate to get rid of Republicans that they had no alternative but to vote for Obama.  Now, they *expect* Obama to deliver.  There is no use trying to dampen expectations.  Even the least he can do is going to be a monumental challenge for one so unaccustomed to the real business of governing.  But he must do it.  We know it is beyond his capabilities right now but he really doesn’t have any choice and we expect him to burn himself out trying.  He wanted this job, he bought off enough superdelegates to get it, he destroyed a more worthy candidate’s career by waving around his penis and won it.  But you can’t govern using a penis and accusations of racism.  That’s going to get old really fast when an ever increasing number of people are losing their jobs and health insurance.  He needs to implement a Truth and Reconciliation Commission as quickly as possible and ferret out the Easter Eggs left in the executive branch by his predecessor and his Monica Goodling type personnel managers.  Give us the satisfaction of nailing the bastards.

Yeah, he’ll probably dance with the ones that brung him, the very same people who need to be brought to account.  But you can be damn sure I’ll be out here every day of the next four years stirring up enough noise about it.  My expectations are high.  There’s no handicap for a beginner.  He wanted the job.  He’s got it.

Now deliver.

106 Responses

  1. My respect and admiration for Krugman only grew once I learned he was the only journalist who chose not to attend Obama’s wine and dine to thank the press for helping him win. At least we know there is one journalist who will hold Obama accountable while the others fawn over him on secret dates.

  2. “He destroyed a more worthy candidate’s career by waving around his penis and won it.”

    There are so many things wrong with this, I don’t know where to start. Just to take issue with one bit, is it REALLY The Confluence’s position that Hillary Clinton’s career is “destroyed”? That’s a new development.

  3. Bill Clinton couldn’t have done anything about the Iran Contra scandal. There was a very determined prosecutor working on that case who tried and decided he was completely stymied by the pardons of Weinberger et a. Read his book, Firewall.

    If a prosecutor with subpoena power couldn’t do anything, what could a president do?

  4. Hi RD & Co.

    You know RD — given the o’jammies & the constant j crewism refs plus the show I saw yesterday on the decorator just hired — I really feel this is not about a presidencey—

    It’s about a merchandise tie in?

    Seriously. We keep waiting for something, anything to emerge — but?

    Substance means a lot right now to this country, I suspect.

    The Gov looks toxic. Worse than the last 8.

  5. plural: I think that what Krugman is saying is that a Truth and Reconciliation commission is not a court of law. It is a fact finding thing. Sort of like the 9/11 commission but with real power to investigate. I don’t think you can bring charges or at least I don’t think they did that in South Africa. But the whole ugly truth has to be exposed or people cannot learn from it. It has to be seen for what it is. The reason we got swindled by the kleptocrats is because we’d never seen anything quite like them before but the lawlessness of their actions can be found stretching back to Eisenhower who warned of the military industrial complex. Actually, it goes back farther than that. It’s always been there in every society. The people responsible for this latest round were never held responsible. It remains to be seen whether criminal prosecution can be used against any of them. But we can certainly demand and should demand that everything they did is exposed so that we can see what they were up to. Like the parallel banking system. We need to know what all the machinations are. And when we know that, we can prevent people who were involved from operating and benefitting further. We can write legislation to prevent it happening again.
    But if it’s criminal prosecution or nothing, I fear we will get nothing.
    I’ll take what is behind door number two.

  6. Well, Obama’s at it again. In a private meeting with Washington Post reporters, who label Social Security and Medicare “entitlement” programs in the story’s headline, Obama says we can’t afford Medicare and that Social Security is in trouble. Here are two more issues Krugman succinctly addressed in numerous opinion columns over the last few years, in particular, calling hogwash on the claims of SS insolvency.

    Of course, Obama made it clear that his views on SS and Medicare were conservative Republican views during the primary but, for some reason, the Obots refused to believe that he meant what he said. I still remember NYCEve desperately trying to convince those on the Daily Cheetoh that UHC was still a possibility with Obama. Those people who chose to push a backward-thinking candidate on us ought all to be drawn and quartered.

  7. I’m not much into conspiracies theories, but I sort of wonder what happened in 2006 when Nasty Nancy, with all evidence to support it, announced that “impeachment was off the table”. I began to wonder if a deal had not been hatched between the Dems and the GOP to not interfere with the Obama rise while the GOP remained on the sidelines if this was to be pulled out of consideration.

    Watching the Repub pundits basically “take a walk” during the primaries and the nomination that followed, was in itself a little puzzling. Even O’Reilly found something to praise Obama for.

    There were a few exceptions but overall it was pretty quiet over in that camp and they hardly went to bat for their own candidate which is rather rare, all things considered.

    Krugman’s proposal has merit but I am not holding my breath. This is the age of “transcendency”, a time for “looking forward, not back”. Perhaps it is because of the reluctance of the MSM to do their job from the beginning that leaves me and others scratching their heads. The feeding frenzy that brought them to Alaska at the announcement of Palin for VP far outshadowed their desire to really look at the Chicago Machine.

    Obama was “picked” for a reason. That reason has yet to be played out.

  8. Can someone please get me out of moderation? Thanks.

  9. vbonnaire: I agree with you completely. He is a brand and marketing. He is all spectacle. That’s why it is so necessary for Clinton to be SOS. She’s got to do the real heavy lifting on the International front and wind the wars down for both national security and economic reasons. He’s going to be learning the ropes on the economy when he is completely unprepared to do so.
    It is very scary indeed. But this is what the kool-ade drinkers threw a tantrum over. So now the babies have their way.
    And we get stuck with the dirty diapers.

  10. …a really great post. Brava!

  11. JKFriz: Yes, that is my contention. Her career is destroyed. She will never be president. That is the position she wanted. She can never have it now.
    If you can think of a way that there is even the slimmest possibility that she can get it, I’m all ears. It costs a lot of money and she won the primaries (we can do the math for you if you don’t believe us) only to see the victory snatched away by uber agressive Chicago types with more money than God. No one is going to risk it on her behalf again. It’s harsh and unfair but there you have it. There are no do-overs for Hillary. This was her moment and it has been irrevocably lost. If any of you nursed a notion that she would be a good runner up in case Miss America could not serve a second term, banish it now. It ain’t never going to happen.
    Happy now?

  12. I would like to see along with cheney, the middle men like stephen hadley held to account. There was so much damage done to this country.
    The lies about the air quality during the cleanup of 9-11.
    The lies to get us into the war
    The signing statements.
    Gitmo
    The economic crisis
    The undermining of every department example FDA.
    It almost like the government had an undeclared war on the American people and the ideals that America stood for.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  13. Well, I’m certainly not happy. First, we lose eight years to the Bush debacle because idiots (s)elected him. Now, we’re going to lose (hopefully only) four years to Obama. Again, because idiots (s)elected him. How long are we going to continue this pattern of putting ill-equipped people into the presidency?

  14. Fritzee from NQ has graced us with his presence. I love how they just can’t move on already.

  15. gxm: It will continue until we have a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to find out what is driving the pattern in the first place.

  16. I don’t see how Congress can manage a truth and reconciliation commission at the same time it’s saving the global economy.

    These things are for journalists and historians to find out — and presumably Obama will revoke Bush’s executive order that tries to keep everything secret, and go back to Clinton’s order to get things out as fast as possible.

  17. Is Krug sure about that Santayana quote?

    I always thought it was “Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it next semester

  18. Bonita: We can squash all of the people who don’t agree with us. He has to face up to his responsibility in all of this. If he was an Obot for who squashing Hillary was THE most important thing, then he has to face up to the fact that he may have saddled us with someone completely unprepared to be president while the REAL president is now SOS. Them’s the facts.
    If he doesn’t like it, he has no one to blame but himself. God knows, we tried to stop them but would they listen?

  19. plural: We’ve seen where the media’s head is. Now, really, do you expect them to look for the truth when all they’ve given us is lies for 15 years? Remember who owns all of those reporters. That’s right. The bad guys.

  20. but would they listen?

    They wouldn’t shut up long enough.

    Still won’t.

  21. We’ve seen where the media’s head is.

    I haven’t actually seen it but I hear it’s a pretty disgusting sight.

  22. RD, yes, I know, I’m being naive, or something.

    But sometimes people do research, and find out stuff and write about it.

    I’m thinking of Watergate, of which we found out everything at the time, and what did it get us but a bunch of Republicans determined to wreak revenge on a Democratic president.

  23. PJ, I have thought the same thing. I wondered if the deal was struck between Donna and Turdblossom. He’s clearly the most prosecutable of the bunch of them, and we haven’t heard a word about that. Maybe, in return for his help, they promised not to investigate him.

    By the way, I think a T&R Commission is a fantastic idea. You are so right, RD. We know we will never see prosecutions. IMO the crimes have been so treasonous that we would have to have executions after the prosecutions and that would be unpleasant, but a commission which actually discovers the truth, wow, that would be amazing.

  24. The thing is, we have to get the money out of politics. We have to push for campaign finance reform. There is so much money at stake that corruption is rampant. We cannot trust the Congress to investigate anything when we have corporations pulling the strings on their careers and therefore, the investigations.

  25. Wow, one slightly critical article and one turned-down dinner….Paul Krugman has sure won me back. Can’t wait to re-subscribe to the New York Times. It’s okay Paul, I know how honest and unbiased you are and I will be following your column religiously from now on. NOT. ps what a safe thing to suggest, a T & R….I will be holding my breath, as you should have demanded real accountability but you know zero is going for the republican votes for next time.

  26. Hi again and one more thought, who is propping him up?

    The speeches are ghostwritten. Is he a symbolic token or is he real?

    If he was real — his speeches would be his own!

    Frankly? He needs to make a big speech purty soon, and given all that he claimed about Hillary being pro-war, well…

    Funny. He hasn’t said a thing about the GAZA thing has he? Not one thing. It’s insane to not be empathic — we want to END WAR, no?

    Our gen of DEMS did, and do! They only appear to be concerned with “arriving” in style? This is how they look to most of us. Like they could care less. And, they are our gen. OUR GEN.

  27. screw all that crap, im so disgusted with Obama and John McCain this morning I could smash all the LIncoln China on the Lincoln bedroom floor. I cant believe these two ugly ass politicians, what happened to bipartisan dinners that wont allow a governor who not only has been probably one of the most bipartisan governors in our history that she was not even invited to McCain’s bipartisan dinner the eve of the inaugaration…f them both

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Im disgusted and through with John McCain, his campaign was dying a long slow death before he brought Sarah Palin on board, the crowds increased, the republican party showed enthusiam it had been lacking the the Obama camp got the pure doo doo scared out of it, they had alrady outted Hillary Clinton who should be our President Elect as far as im concerned.
    Gov. Sarah Palin has more grace and selfless love for this country than john or barak, period. I hope John McCain will freaking lose his senate seat come 2010… this reminds me of the Cinderalla fairytale story, the 2 ugly stepdaughters and the ugly step mother can go to meet prince charming, but not poor little Cinderally…this is nothing but pure jealousy on Obama and McCain’s part.

  28. JKFritz — your guy “won.” Get over it.

  29. Didn’t I see the president-elect answer this question a couple of weeks back. Something about putting out the house fire first, then looking for the arsonists. I’m getting used to his trance-inducing platitudes. But as my eyelids get heavy, I do wonder about what if anything he has in his hose.

  30. A Truth Commission for Bush..but we should have it also stay in business for Obama! We’ll need one!!! Because Obama is a continuation of Bush, IMOP.

    I want to throw this little bit your way….about a book written in 1926 that will sort of knock you for a loop…A Brazilian writer who is know largely known for his children’s books (you can read why he turned to writing for children….)

    The plot iss downright scary in some ways!!!

    “The Black President”: A 1926 Novel “Predicts” the Politics of 2008 with Some Eerily Similar Details

    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/the-black-president-a-1926-novel-predicts-the-politics-of-2008-in-eerie-detail/

  31. Wow somerset, approval of one column and a turn-down of an Obama Pander-party doesn’t mean anything to me except that I like and agree with this particular column and of his decision not to attend.

    I don’t always agree with Krugman. I am still insulted and angry at his suggestion that if we weren’t doing the happy dance about Obama getting elected there was something wrong with us.

    I regard Krugman as I regard every member of what passes for a media in this country; with a very jaundiced eye.

    If I agree then I like him that day. If I am honestly informed even when I disagree then I like him that day. That’s the way, IMHO, we ought to regard all members of the corrupt cretins that posture as our media. But that’s just me.

  32. As far as I’m concerned the major issue is, and always was,
    and always will be: THE ECONOMY, THE ECONOMY,
    THE ECONOMY. Which is stupid, stupid, stupid.
    When people, from the poor to the so-called middle-
    class, to the so-called upper class -income of 150 to 250K –
    yes, it’s very expensive to live in or near major cities like
    NY, LA, San Francisco these days. I know a few people,
    my children and their friends, young families, in
    the upper range having trouble paying their mortgage and
    huge real estate taxes – not as bad as the rest of us, but
    still worrying. Also all are concerned about losing their jobs.
    And then there’s all the rest of us – small businesses
    working to stay alive, people losing jobs, losing more than
    half their savings, losing homes, of course, or struggling
    to keep up.
    All other issues pale in comparison to this. And unless
    something extreme is done it will only get worse. Obama’s
    ideas will take too long, he doesn’t want to start a HOLC,
    doesn’t support Baer. That’s the most tragic thing about
    him as president.
    And now this Social Security thing. Outrageous.
    Krugman seems to be the lone voice warning about
    a depression these days. As soon as the stock market goes
    up one day or stays the same everyone seems to forget
    about it.
    I don’t see how we can stop the downward spiral
    without drastic measures. And Obama isn’t doing them.
    Romney on this morning, said he was relieved about
    Obama’s policies. All the Repubs love him.
    Will our side ever wake up?

  33. kenoshaMarge….I think we agree….sometimes what these guys write makes sense. I just mistrust their motives for writing it. I think Krugman went so far beyond journalistic integrity (what ever that is anymore) that he is now pandering, trying to re-establish credibility with some middle-of-the-road statements. I was commenting on process, not content. I think the process is manipulative crap.

  34. Somewhere there is an answer to all this. Why the rush to ensure this inexperienced candidate getting to the front of the line? Why did the caucus gaming and strong arming go unchecked? How and why were the supers rushing to declare support even before the primaries had run their course? How could so many proclaim to back a man with few outward credentials? Why was the Chicago Machine and connections overlooked and uninvestigated? What actual role did the MSM play in promoting this candidate above another who was equipped with the qualifications and experience over one who did not?

    The may be a clue starting from as far back as that 1996 article in the French publication when this couple were virtual unknowns. But somebody had money riding on the outcome in 2008 because there is nothing to suggest that this man, who has literally done nothing more than run for one office after another, had achievements to showcase.

    And the continued selling of this PE has yet to reach a saturation point. The presentations border on the ridiculous while he has yet to take the oath. There is no “there” there as yet but we are witnessing his arrival as something akin to fantasy.

    I admit to being thoroughly confused but it makes no sense to me that the most powerful position in the world is being handed over to a man with little to show for it. I doubt we will ever get to the bottom of this but it certainly bears scrutiny.

  35. Krugman has that effect on me too, a real sleeping pill. And that seems to be the role he’s given himself in the life of our spastic financial markets – dulling it into one giant macroeconomic nap. We’ve seen the bottom, and it’s Paul Krugman, the original Mr. Killjoy, appearing day after day on cable news. Thank heavens.

  36. I am in moderation and it is below zero down here!

  37. I have to say I am a little leary of anything called a “Truth Commission”. I would love to know exactly what really happened along the way, and hold people accountable, but I don’t think a “Truth and Reconciliation” Commission is the way to go.

    My truth is that Obama is a fraud and will be harmful to America. Truth for the majority of Americans is Obama is virtually divine and will be the best President evah.

    Truth is relative depending on one’s perspective until some time later when objectivity takes hold. It is the job of the fourth estate to ensure “truth”. We have seen where that leads.

    We are now the real fourth estate.

  38. Nothing about Obama bodes well for us. He has sold his soul to the worst in both parties and played the media corporations. He has not been transparent about anything so it would be a shock if he instituted a commission to bring truth to light. In addition, his followers during the campaign bought his misinformation on Social Security and other matters.

    If Obama does succeed in destroying or hurting the SS and Medicare programs, it won’t just be old people who will suffer. Some of his younger supporters will also be hurt. Before Social Security came into being, “old” people often were passed around from family to family in their senior years. Others rotted in miserably inadequate nursing homes. Before Medicare, really poor people had to go to free clinics. Although there was a “good” aspect” to that because more physicians in those days routinely provided services to the poor, there were many gaps. People who considered themselves middle class would have been embarrassed to go to a “free” clinic even if they needed to do so. A pioneer black physician told me not long ago that his mostly poor black patients were thrilled when Medicare came into being because they now had pride that they could, in effect, pay for their services on an equal footing with others. Many also received health care they had not received before. (That is not to say that it is adequate today, for there are many service gaps and other problems with both Medicare and Medicaid, including the lack of doctors who accept patients under those services.)

    When some younger people find that life doesn’t always go perfectly well for them and their parents economically, they might discover that they could have the burden of looking after their parents. They might change their minds about the merits of today’s Social Security — but it might be too late.

  39. Michelle’s job is gone though…Seems once she was gone, no one missed her
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/michelles-job-gone-who-will-keep-out-the-poor/

  40. Pat
    It was very clear that the “off the table” was a part of a bigger deal. Nancy almost blurted it out when she said once in 2006 that “we need to focus our energies on taking the Wite House instead”

  41. is it REALLY The Confluence’s position that Hillary Clinton’s career is “destroyed”? That’s a new development.

    Before commenting on your erudite, as always, post RD, I have to swat this arrogant and inane bug. After a year of these tr0lls, I am convinced most Obots are reading comprehension-challenged. They cannot see what is in front of their faces or assimilate actual facts. It interferes with the whole Hopey Changey Rainbow Unity Pony high. WHERE in the post does it say RD thinks Hillary’s career is “destroyed?”

  42. A Truth Commission would be a good idea if we were able to staff it. Where are we going to find someone who has molted himself/herself from the taint of this election? Diogenes, if he worked in HR, would have a few words of advice worth taking, “Return to your barrels, save the light of the lantern, if the truth telling box is checked, don’t believe it. I’ve looked, that type of creature doesn’t exist because political evolution is perniciously efficient.”

  43. RD: But if it’s criminal prosecution or nothing, I fear we will get nothing.

    That’s exactly why Krugman is proposing the Truth & Reconciliation option. He knows there will be no political will to prosecute, so he is attempting to ferret out the truth in another way. Obama will never do this. He just had dinner with conservative mouthpieces to seduce them–do we really think he is going to ruffle any confrontational elements by demanding accountability? He’s too vain and weak to invite the opposition. He wants everyone to hold hands and sing–in praise of himself of course.

  44. Re attacks on Krugman above:
    While Hillary was still in the running he supported her,
    and was surprisingly critical of Obama.
    Once it was Obama against the Repubs. No matter how
    you slice it, McCain is a Repub, and economically in line
    with the rest of his party. Even where he was
    innovative, such as touting Hillary’s housing plan (HOLC),
    I didn’t trust that he would follow through, since he can’t
    totally disregard his own party. He presented that in a
    half-hearted way, though that to me was the most
    important issue, since the whole economy seems to revolve
    around it.
    So I can see Krugman wanting Obama over McCain.
    Sorry, I didn’t vote for Obama, couldn’t, I can’t stand him,
    but neither could I vote for McCain. And at least this way,
    we have Hillary as SOS, not that I trust him on this, either.
    But as soon as Obama got in Krugman began
    criticizing him again. I can’t think of any other media person –
    not one, really, who has done this so consistently.
    For this reason he needs our support. Keeping one’s
    job and criticizing Obama hardly seems compatible these
    days.

  45. Powerful post, RD. Piling on reasonable expectations for Obama (that he will never attempt) is just desserts.

    In addition to Santayana, I found these quotes:

    George Santayana:

    Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    George Bernard Shaw:

    We learn from history that we learn nothing from history.

    Adrienne Rich:

    False history gets made all day, any day,
    the truth of the new is never on the news.

  46. riverdaughter, on January 16th, 2009 at 8:50 am Said:

    JKFriz: Yes, that is my contention. Her career is destroyed. She will never be president. That is the position she wanted. She can never have it now.

    oops, just saw this post by RD after I swatted the gnat. I agree that she will never run again, but I do not see her in any way “destroyed.” That’s why they hate her. You cannot destroy Hillary Clinton. That is what makes her so impressive and admirable. She walks through fire, and keeps serving the public–critics be damned. The loss of her potential presidency is immeasurable however. I agree with that.

  47. Also, we’re not hearing much about FDR these days.
    Lincoln, Reagan, maybe Bush 41 or Carter, but never
    about Clinton, and less about FDR.
    Actually Clinton seems purged out of our history, kind
    of like Soviets did with Stalin. They never mention Bill any
    more, can’t dispute the success of so much of his admin-
    istration so they just skip over him.

  48. “He destroyed a more worthy candidate’s career by waving around his penis and won it.”

    Absolutely brilliant, RD. And so disgustingly true.

  49. Wow, speaktruth, you really do.
    Your last two comments are right on the money, imho.

  50. Alwaysthinking, you make excellent points. Before social insurance, each generation took care of the one preceeding. Young people were expected to be out on their own at 18 to 20 years old. These younger people do not understand that if their parents have to take care of their parents financially, there will be no funds for college and even loans may dry up as people will be further stretched. Their childhoods will end much sooner and they will be expected to pull their own weight as they physically can and their grandparents cannot. There would be a huge social shift in this country.

  51. An Obot can make it on here-but a true green lib cannot, RD?

  52. speaktruth: I agree with you on Krugman. He was the only reason I read the NY Times until I couldn’t stomach even passing by Rich & Dowd anymore. He consistently criticized Obama and supported HC. He did get on the Unity bandwagon I suspect for the reasons you site, but he is one of the ONLY voices that dares to criticize him. I’ll take dissension wherever I can find it right now–it’s so rare.

  53. PRAY FOR OUR BELOVED COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  54. Why would Romney be complimenting Obama’s financial decisions? As someone who wants to run as a strict conservative in 2012, how could he publicly support massive bail outs with virtually no accountability? That’s one of the reasons McCain lost the election from the conservative point of view–because he didn’t take a hard line. Obama won because the conservatives stayed home, not because of overwhelming moderate support. I understand the Social Security argument appealing to Romney, and the ambivalent social positions, but not the bail outs.

  55. OT A friend just invited me to an art exhibit in York, PA on Monday the 19th.

    This is an exhibit that was put together to celebrate 15 years of Common Roads, the organization for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender youth in Central PA

    It’s evidently going to be protested. I will ask my friend for an Obama button to wear. I’m sure he supports LGBT rights?????

  56. speaktruth: I expected news writers to seek and uncover the truth. Paul Krugman did not do that. Ok, he likes Democrats better than Republicans. Obama was never vetted by the media, including Paul Krugman. We don’t see his (deleted), his grades, his donations, how he got into college, grad school, his cocaine use, his voting record, his flip-flops, his economic record, his criminal associates. Paul Krugman’s job is not to push for a democrat, it is to reveal the truth. Now he wants a truth commission. I find that ironic.

    (Tin Foli Hat Tuesday is next week – site monitor)

  57. I forgot to bring this up on RD’s post last night but “Naomi” spelled backwards is “I moan”

  58. Leave it to you!

  59. Leave it to you!

    I’m just thinking outside the box

  60. I just realized that RD DID actually use the word “destroyed” in the post. I guess I have some reading comprehension issues myself…I’ll use my lack of coffee intake as an excuse 🙂

  61. Aye, yi, yi, yi, yi!

  62. somerset: Paul Krugman is not an investigative reporter for the NY Times. He is an editorial writer, and is specifically hired to write about economics.

  63. Thank God we have myiq! We’d all be beating our heads against the wall without our incomparable court jester.

  64. This shows me that Hopey is basically the same as Bush, but worse.

  65. Obama has yet to do anything that I can rejoice about. Why the hero worship from Obot and the MSM? If Krugman is right, Bush owns the recession but Obama will own the resulting depression. Very sad state of affairs. It is like watching a train crash in slow motion. A modern day Cassandra Complex.

  66. Krugman is a liberal economist. McCain was promising more Bush economics. He had no choice but to support Obama, even though it was half-hearted.

    Like most of us, Krug was stuck with a very difficult decision. He gambled that he had a better chance to get a New New Deal with Obama, and he was right…but unfortunately, Obama’s not on our side either.

    I still can’t believe this is happening to our country. The plutocrats are fully in control and they refuse to loosen their grip.

    We’ll just have to make them!

  67. fif…..it is economics to tell how a candidate flips on public campaign financing, spends, as reported , as much as 1 1/2 billion dollars to buy a presidency, won’t reveal his donors, and forever ends campaign finance reform. No candidate will ever again make John McCain’s mistake about trying to have a financially fair election. I think this subject is well within Paul Krugman’s purview.

  68. He gambled that he had a better chance to get a New New Deal with Obama, and he was right

    Obama – 2% less evil than the Republicans!

  69. Okay – 1.501% less evil

  70. Open Secrets has a pie-chart breakdown of contributors to next week’s Obamapalooza. Highest contributing sector is Finance, which includes Securities and Investments:
    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/inaug.php#donors

  71. With Franken’s victory in Minnie-soda the Democrats have a filibuster-proof majority in Congress.

    The only check on the Democrats until 2010 will be SCOTUS – they can steamroller the GOP on any legislation they want.

  72. Myiq – LOL!

    Gawd help us all.

  73. Myiq – They do? I thought they had 59.

  74. Isolde, I think you are absolutely right that there would be a great social shift with the loss of social insurance. I suppose there could be some good if young people had to get out on their own sooner (albeit without college educations). That might be most of the people who supported Obama, so they would be too busy working (or trying to get work) instead of spreading across the internet as trolls.

  75. I thought it was 60 – but I’ve been trying to follow all the Obamadrama and I haven’t been keeping close track.

    ZOMG – Imagine the entire Obama hopey-changey shtick falling one vote short!

  76. jules…interesting names on that list, thanks for the link.
    How many food banks would benefit from all this cash?
    Can’t help wondering.

  77. Myiq – that’s exactly what’s going to happen, and they’ll blame all the “compromising” of the liberal agenda on the fact that “Oh, if we only had just one more vote! Those mean Republicans just won’t stop filibustering! Waaaaahhhhhhh!!!”

  78. MadamaB:

    When Biden’s seat is filled and counting Franken, Burris, Bernie Sanders and Lieberman the Democratic caucus will have 60 votes – and Biden will break ties as VP starting next week.

  79. madamab, let’s not call it the “liberal agenda” until we see what the agenda actually looks like. If it’s Obama’s agenda, I doubt that it will be “liberal” as we understand it.

  80. The nutroots wanted the Dems to tell Lieberman to go to hell – but they’ll need him to break filibusters.

  81. fif, so true! Now, at least, I’m laughing as I bang my head against the wall. Thank you myiq.

  82. The Coleman-Franken fight will likely be tied up in the courts until spring, says the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Latest news here:
    http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/

  83. Myiq – wow! That’s pretty amazing. No wonder Coleman is trying to delay Franken’s seating for a while.

    Grayslady – whatever we liberals want, the Dems won’t give it to us. What excuse will they give now? Maybe Lieberman?

  84. What excuse will they give now?

    Top Democratic strategists are working on it as we speak.

  85. I think myiq has it right.

  86. Well, it should be entertaining to watch, in a horrifying way – like watching Captain Spaulding at dinner.

  87. RD- Thank you for this essay. The other day, I was listening to NPR (out of default and curiosity, hadn’t listened since around early February), and heard them discuss the possibility of trying certin people for war crimes. Jonathan Turley, the law prof, was featured. I quit listening to him also, even though he never approached the stupidity of the other law correspondent on CNN (I have blocked his name). Turley was arguing that we have to look into all of this for the same reasons Krugman relates, but in addition, to maintain “the rule of law”. His most significant point to me was that politics is becoming what is practical and efficacious, not what is principled. Many were saying we don’t have time to look back, there is too much to work on (just as we don’t have time to choose a different Treasury Sec in this climate, a tax evader will do just fine, thanks). Many obots called is with the same meme- just give Sir Barks-a-lot a chance, don’t saddle him with all this principle and leagl mumbo jumbo, he has hard work to do. It became increasingly sickening. I felt sorry for Turley, who appears to be having a crisis of confidence (or maybe he’s just planning a new book).

  88. Please be patient:

    Spammy seems to be feeling kinda cranky today – he’s grabbing comments for no apparent reason.

  89. certain

  90. soupcity, on January 16th, 2009 at 12:02 pm Said:

    How many food banks would benefit from all this cash?
    ———
    You are so right. Our local food bank is experiencing a severe shortage. The amount of money that Obama continues to throw around is disgusting.

  91. If anyone has a question about what level of integrity any Truth and Reconciliation an Obama administration would back might rise to, consider who well he handled the truth and reconciliation needed after the primaries.

    Obama isn’t interested in the truth. His job, as others have stated here, is to keep the left in a constant state of blind cult-worship while he woos the right to join in and re-elect him.

    Shame on those journalists who don’t record this, and who attended his little party. They are now members of his Party, indeed, and strike me as a lot who would be entirely comfortable working in China. Perhaps, with a little more effort, they can transform us into China? We already have the posters up of our new Chairman, don’t we?

  92. Just one person’s view, but does Krugman want a Depression, so we can try out all the bag of tricks FDR drew up in the 30s. Because on money, the govt is not too different from the individual. If you spend (bailouts, subsidies, stimulus) far beyond your income (revenues) and you don’t care about what you owe (monumental deficits), eventually your creditors (China, Japan, Saudis) will care (sell Treasuries) and you will go bankrupt (Depression). And the thing about a Depression is it does not have an upcycle built in like a Recession. It is like a coma, and the last time we (and the world) came out of that coma was with a World War. Between pain and coma, I’ll take pain.

    Krugman adores subsidies and says whatever to deficits. We need to do whatever it takes to get the banks (as criminal as they have been) pumping money and providing credit again. If we don’t have a functioning secondary market for capital, we may all find ourselves living on rations and fixed subsistence wages. Yes, looking very much like Cuba. The specter of a Paul Krugman endgame should have the effect of jolting the financial markets into action, namely declaring once and for all the entirety of their bad assets to the Treasury, and starting over again as best they can with help from the Fed. I believe Krugman understands that effect he is having.

    On the election, Krugman supported Hill in the primaries because he was loyal to the Clintons and Bozo had no clear economic plan. In the general, Bozo moved to the center because that was politically expedient, and Paul has not liked that since he is a strict demand side interventionist.

  93. Excellent post.

    Truth and Reconciliation? Krugman was principled to write this article, though I’m sure nothing will be done.

    Obama’s on record saying he thought impeachment was reserved for “grave” acts. 2007 Harkin dinner in the Midwest; it was one of those links I’d show Obots pre-election (they never pay attention to the facts so it was a waste of my time.)

  94. Blog Stats

    4,981,845 hits

    When we hit 5,00,000 perhaps we can celebrate by donating an amount with a 5 in it to our favorite Kool-Aid free feminist action.

  95. Anyone else notice the several “unemployed” persons on the OpenSecrets info, who each donated $50,000 to the Inaugural Crowning?

    Helluva lot more than I had to donate when I was unemployed.

  96. RD: I’ll be out there making noise with you. It’s time to put up or shut up.

  97. ….That’s why this time we need a full accounting. Not a witch hunt, maybe not even prosecutions, but something like the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that helped South Africa come to terms with what happened under apartheid….

    I love the Krugger, but what is he smoking? I guess he knows this will never happen under BO ….and since it will never happen, well at least it was said

  98. “janicen, on January 16th, 2009 at 9:15 am Said:
    The thing is, we have to get the money out of politics. We have to push for campaign finance reform. There is so much money at stake that corruption is rampant. We cannot trust the Congress to investigate anything when we have corporations pulling the strings on their careers and therefore, the investigations.”

    So true. Let me add, most of the members of Congress have been complicit, so don’t expect them to be eager to investigate anything.

  99. new post up!!

  100. Whether we think we’ll get results or not, it’s important
    to keep up the pressure.
    Actually, one surprised me in a good way this election,
    is that I think “we the people” really can make some
    difference, with a concerted effort. Of course, the
    results will be spun (as with horrible Ms. magazine lies),
    but they still hear us. And then it’s important not to let up.
    We need to get people out there on media shows.
    Everything is PR today. Obama is totally the PR Pres.
    We have to learn to play that same game. We have all
    the brilliance and energy on our side. Let’s get it out there
    more and better.

  101. When I think what it took to form a 9-11 commission that was not headed by Henry Kissinger, …..PK has to know what he’s saying is DOA….almost an inside joke…well at least it provided many a chuckle over Belt way breakfasts

  102. speaktruth, on January 16th, 2009 at 1:12 pm Said:
    Whether we think we’ll get results or not, it’s important
    to keep up the pressure…..

    This very true

  103. grayslady, on January 16th, 2009 at 8:43 am Said:

    Well, Obama’s at it again. In a private meeting with Washington Post reporters, who label Social Security and Medicare “entitlement” programs in the story’s headline, Obama says we can’t afford Medicare and that Social Security is in trouble. Here are two more issues Krugman succinctly addressed in numerous opinion columns over the last few years,

    Here’s something that was posted over on Corrente:

    Obama Pledges Entitlement Reform

    Of course, you have to understand what the Village means by “entitlement.” You see, Big Money is “entitled” to two trillion dollars of the people’s money, and their children’s money NOW NOW NOW, without even saying what they’re doing with it. That goes without saying. However, the people are not “entitled” to dignity in their old age, the sick are not entitled to care, and the poor are not entitled to help. That’s because, as is well known, government is of Big Money, for Big Money, by Big Money.

    And during the primaries, didn’t Obie mention raising the ceiling on social security income cap? Why not explore that?

  104. Paul Krugman did not choose to not attend. He wasn’t in DC and could not attend. You are making it sound like Krugman intentionally dissed the President-elect. He didn’t. Read his columns, he’s actually engaged with Obama and his team of economic advisors.

  105. I would be very careful about agreeing to any ‘Truth and Reconciliation Commission’. These people have not shown themselves to be champions of truth. Just because Bush did some horrible things, do not let that temp you into allowing the Obama administration to gain further control over our lives. Historians will judge Bush.

  106. ho sento said:
    Paul Krugman did not choose to not attend. He wasn’t
    in DC and could not attend.
    Hey, ho, ever hear of an airplane? Princeton to DC,
    what five minutes?
    And it wasn’t a matter of dissing. I think Krugman thought
    he couldn’t attend and maintain his journalistic integrity.
    You know, like not be bought off.
    Unlike the other journalist hos.

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