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This has been a good week for blog posts.  It seems like everyone I know (and some I don’t) has been hit with a serious attack of hypergraphia. And that means loads of fun (and news) for us!

Our dear friend, GaryChapelhill is following the money in the post, Money, Money, Money… at Electric Blues:

So this is why Obama was trying to get away from Richardson so fast.

President-elect Barack Obama took big money from a man at the center of a federal probe that has forced one of Obama’s top Cabinet picks to withdraw.

Financial records show the Obama campaign got more than $30,000 from California financier David Rubin, the target of an investigation into donations and possible “pay-to-play” deals involving New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, Obama’s pick for commerce secretary.

Now I know I’m speculating here, but if a man like Rubin is in the habit of throwing money at politicians in exchange for favors, why is it such a stretch to imagine the same thing going on with Obama?  I hope he at least got a picture with His Holiness for$ 28,500.

In late September, Rubin attended an exclusive Los Angeles fundraiser for Obama, held at the Beverly Hills’ Greystone Mansion.

Rubin’s money went to a joint Obama-DNC fund ($28,500), the DNC itself ($26,200), and to the Obama campaign ($2,300), according to the database of campaign donations at OpenSecrets.Org.

Hmm…. Well maybe Obama didn’t know what kind of man Rubin is, and certainly couldn’t know that people might find taking donations from such a person inappropriate, to say the least.  Uh…wait a sec… (the whole story)


Oh Really? . . . . From Memorandum this link:

Smarter Men Have More Sperm — Women tend to like smart men because they’re usually more successful and better providers. But here’s another reason: Their sperm is better, a new study says. — Researchers at King’s College London, the University of Delaware and the University …


Lambert’s got the links and a way with words. (Sigh- it was so fun to have a secret love)

From When you lose your job, COBRA is no help getting you health care. Quelle surprise:

Miami Herald:

Most laid-off workers can’t afford to keep health insurance, according to a study from a Washington consumer group released Friday morning.

The report, by Families USA, shows that monthly payments of COBRA, the coverage available to those who lose their jobs, eats up far too much of unemployment benefits to be practical.

In Florida, the average monthly family COBRA premium is $1,037, which is more than the average monthly unemployment benefit of $1,013. For an individual policy in Florida, COBRA is $371 monthly — more than a third of the unemployment check.

So, your house, and food — or medical care. Which’d you rather? What is this, the fucking third world? I mean, what next? Foraging in the fields?


And now for the shocker: I watch television. I happen to have cable (not the so-called movie or premium channels) but we’ve got several TVs scattered around the house that aren’t hooked up to it. And those TVs (simple, small and black & white) have been critically important on several occasions.

On one memorable occasion we hooked a tiny TV to a motorcycle battery to see what was going on after our electricity went out.  And found that virtually the entire city was out of power — there was only one station broadcasting that night and they were doing it from a generator set up in their parking lot!

But, I guess this sort of thing isn’t going to happen after the Analog-to-Digital-Conversion is complete.  Right?

Read this (and the comments) and weep (these guys aren’t friends by the way):

President-elect Barack Obama requested Congress extend the analog television cut-off date because inadequate funding and flaws in the converter box program. You know, because a bunch of people are stupid. And dumb. Mad dumb.

John Podesta, co-chair of the Obama-Biden transition team, requested that “the cut-off date (February 17th) for analog signals should be reconsidered and extended”. The letter was sent this Thursday to the chairs and ranking Republicans on the House Energy & Commerce Committee and Senate Commerce Committee.

Apparently there is some concern that the inbreds will freak out and blame the new president when their picture-boxes stop working shortly after his inauguration. So better to postpone the shutdown and educate the yokels before things get out of hand. Uh-oh, and speaking of getting out of hand — where’d my penis go?

(shaking my head)


Finally, from our own Heidi Li we discover the new face of feminism.  Shocking doesn’t begin to describe it.

But then, lo and behold, here, in Washington, DC,  the epicenter of inaugural schlock (T-shirts, onesies, coffee mugs), I received yet another email from another organization trying to make money off the onset of the Obama administration. (I’ve already been tapped by email solicitations to give money to money to fund the inauguration itself!). The latest organization looking for dough: Ms. Magazine. The product they are hawking: a subscription that kicks of with their special inauguration issue. The cover photo they sent, designed, one must assume to make me want to subscribe:

You’ve got to follow the link (or slide down the page a couple of posts) and see this one for yourself!


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226 Responses

  1. Katiebird,

    Good for Gary. This is the first I’ve heard about Richardsons’
    corruption scandal touching Obama. There had to be another reason why Judas had to go under the bus.

    Nice post, Katiebird!

  2. Katiebird,

    Please check your e-mail.

  3. yea but i dought any of Richardsons’ not matter how bad will stck to berry im glad to see judas go . hes been pissing me off the whole elec i hope he ends up in cuffs

  4. Isn’t it funny how PEBO can’t say a word about Gaza because “there is only one president’ but he can’t seem to shut the f*ck up about the economy & (now) the digital analog change over? The msm & the Obots have no problem reconcile these opposing positions, I presume.

    The Rubin scandal isn’t going to touch Obama — sure, all those prior donations by Rubin were of the quid pro quo variety, but he gave to Obama because he was THE ONE — that will be Obama (and Rubin’s) story & we will all have to sit down, shut up & swallow it because the msm will not have it any other way.

    And since you are bringing up that ridiculous Ms. cover again, I’m repeating what I said at the end of Heidi’s thread — I go out to a wonderful dinner to this b.s. Here is the email I sent to letterstotheeditor@msmagazine.com (the George Orwell line I snagged from Seriously):

    Is this a joke? Is this a cover of The Onion? Or is George Orwell now the Editor in Chief of Ms. Magazine?

    If a “feminist” is the man who appoints Larry “women aren’t as smart as men it’s the biology” Summers to his Cabinet, installs Tim “Anti-Choice” Kaine to the Chair of the DNC, and says nary a word while his supporters don “Bros before H*s” and “Sarah Palin is a C*nt” t-shirts, then count me among those who are NOT a feminist.

    Or perhaps the graphic was supposed to read “This is what a misogynist looks like.”

    How you can wake up in the morning, look yourself in the mirror and not vomit on your feet is beyond me.

    With hopes that your magazine soon folds, I am

    Sincerely,
    etc.

  5. Good letter, Angie. I have no idea how two of your comments ended up in the spam filter. {{shudder!}} It’s nasty in there!

  6. I can’t believe the comments on that post about analog and digital TVs. They sound just like Obots and Wankfesters. I guess it’s generational. I just don’t see the humor in ridiculing people for being poor, old, overweight, etc. Doesn’t that eventually make you into a soulless person with deadened emotions?

  7. bb — I wondered that too — I think maybe the word h*s or c*nt — I spelled them both out the first two times (as I did in the original letter to Ms. which I just cut & pasted here). No biggie.

  8. Angie,

    That’s probably it. KB added a few words to the filter to catch trolls with.

  9. Ang-

    You forgot Rick “women are meant to be subservient to men and those who decide to exercise reproductive choice are Nazis” Warren.

  10. bb

    Karma is a bitch. You either die young or get old. It’s going to happen to them one day and they are setting the example for the next generation.

  11. Good post by the way KB

    Maybe the Richardson and Rubin thing will get traction. I’m not going to hold my breath but you never know.

  12. CWaltz,

    Yep.

  13. CWaltz — D’oh you are right — I’m going to re-send the email — they can take it.

  14. My new & improved email to Ms.:

    Is this a joke? Is this a cover of The Onion? Or is George Orwell now the Editor in Chief of Ms. Magazine?

    If a “feminist” is the man who appoints Larry “women aren’t as smart as men it’s the biology” Summers to his Cabinet, installs Tim “Anti-Choice” Kaine to the Chair of the DNC, invites Rick “women are meant to be subservient to men and those who decide to exercise reproductive choice are Nazis” Warren to say a prayer at his swearing in and says nary a word while his supporters don “Bros before Hos” and “Sarah Palin is a Cunt” t-shirts, then count me among those who are NOT a feminist.

    Or perhaps the graphic was supposed to read “This is what a misogynist looks like.”

    How you can wake up in the morning, look yourself in the mirror and not vomit on your feet is beyond me.

    With hopes that your magazine soon folds, I am

    Sincerely,
    etc.

  15. I have to go to bed. If any trolls show up, maybe myiq will too. Good night, everyone!

  16. My new & improved email to Ms. ala CWalt’s suggestion:

    Is this a joke? Is this a cover of The Onion? Or is George Orwell now the Editor in Chief of Ms. Magazine?

    If a “feminist” is the man who appoints Larry “women aren’t as smart as men it’s the biology” Summers to his Cabinet, installs Tim “Anti-Choice” Kaine to the Chair of the DNC, invites Rick “women are meant to be subservient to men and those who decide to exercise reproductive choice are Nazis” Warren to say a prayer at his swearing in and says nary a word while his supporters don “Bros before H*s” and “Sarah Palin is a C*nt” t-shirts, then count me among those who are NOT a feminist.

    Or perhaps the graphic was supposed to read “This is what a misogynist looks like.”

    How you can wake up in the morning, look yourself in the mirror and not vomit on your feet is beyond me.

    With hopes that your magazine soon folds, I am

    Sincerely,

  17. night bb!

  18. Hey!! Was there just another post up with all the photoshop pics? Now it’s gone?? Didi have some special mushrooms on the pizza that I didn’t know about?

  19. No fredster — I didn’t realize KB had a new post up…watch for it tommorow.

  20. Nite BB

  21. Fredster — I didn’t see it if there was. Sometimes if the mods put up two posts at the same time by accident, one will take her post down — they like to space the new posts out.

  22. SOD — messing with our minds again, I see! LOL

  23. S.O.D. Got a glimpse of it. Looking gooooddd!!!

  24. Even if Obie fully immersed himself into every situation facing the government there would still only be one president in charge. 1/2 Bush + 1/2 Obama = 1 president.

  25. I understand our buddy at “that site” was upset because we discussed and showed photos of his physical attributes or lack of.

    What isn’t known is that sadly, he previously suffered from a grievous physical impairment. Here’s a pic before he overcame that problem.

    http://tinyurl.com/7q2kru

  26. Fredster — LOLOLOL!

  27. Also this was before he changed his name to Newllyn, or whatever.

    http://tinyurl.com/a2vfvn

  28. Hey! If they’re gonna pic on my best bud Angie, they better look out!!

  29. May need a slap down at 2:05

  30. Cinie’s got a post up that quotes Politico as suggesting that Reid was blindsided that people would object to his blocking the nom of a 71 year old African American innocent bystander because he only ever talks to Shumer and Murray instead of normal people. Call me crazy, but should he have to talk to normal people to figure something like that out? Isn’t it kind of obvious? I think I know now why we have to bring the entire federal government to a standstill to sort out the Tv situation. It’s okay, Harry.

  31. Seriously-is that on her site?

    I think I know now why we have to bring the entire federal government to a standstill

    That’s cool but please leave the rank and file GS’s (only 12’s and below) alone. They’re just trying to earn a buck. 😉

  32. Damn, I got left behind again. But I was probably embarrassing myself kvelling about Carla Bruni and the marvelous Cecilia.

  33. Seriously — Reid is the guy who complained about the “smell of the tourists in DC in the summertime.” Do you think he ever talks to the “normal” people?

    Fredster — was that hypocrite picking on me again or are you talking about the time he posted my comment re: the blogawards?

    btw — there is a really funny “you might be an obot” thread over at NQ — everyone should check it out if they get the chance.

  34. Jadzia, its rough when you’ve been away and then come back to read 2 or 3 posts with a couple hundred comments.

  35. bb has gone to bed but:

    The analog/digital comments aren’t generational just because it was stupid frat spoiled children who said them. It’s a class issue. Those that can’t afford the basic $45.00 a month for cable or satellite will suffer. Since there’s no truth in TV anymore I guess they’ll be just as informed as everyone else.

  36. Seriously — Re Reid: Call me crazy, but I think that ALL pols should have to have a conversation with a normal person every now and then. They DO represent us — theoretically — do they not?

  37. Fredster — It’s pretty much a hazard of living on the West Coast. Of course, I should be working right now, rather than complaining.

  38. And for the record Mr. Reid — I smell like Chanel No. 5.

  39. Angie, I meant the earlier stuff.

    After I saw what he looked like, I almost pissed myself that he could make comments about anyone!

  40. Yep, Fredster.

    Smell of tourists???? *holds head in hands, moans softly*

  41. I smell like Lauder for men-from the throat to wrists to chest to pubes! 😉

  42. Fredster — I know! the hypocrisy is what gets me, not his looks (or serious lack thereof)! Hasn’t he heard that people who live in glass houses shouldn’t cast stones?

  43. Fredster — oh, so you are from the “put the cologne where ever you hope to be kissed” school of thought! LOL

  44. Fredster, there was this famous really offensive article recently with this American guy complaining about the “ugliness” of British women. You wouldn’t believe how this guy looked. Unreal. Better than Jim, but….

    Jadzia, sure he should have to talk to us, but if he doesn’t have enough common sense to figure things like that out on his own, we’re not going to eb able to help him.

  45. Agreed Angie. It’s not nice to begin with, but if you start it baby, you yourself better look like Brad or Angelina.

  46. Also, I can relate to the Cobra crap. The rates are automatically higher (blamed on administrative costs ya’ know) and if you can’t find work right away that’s just that that much more that’s been sucked out of your savings. And heaven forbid you file a claim even for normal dr. visit. They’ll turn it down over and over hoping you’ll wear out from the fight and give up. Not me. I’m a fighter. 😀

  47. Seriously — yep, he actually did say that. Here is the exact quote:

    “My staff tells me not to say this, but I’m going to say it anyway,” said Reid in his remarks. “In the summer because of the heat and high humidity, you could literally smell the tourists coming into the Capitol. It may be descriptive but it’s true.”

    Hey, you elist f*ckstick — next time listen to your “lowly” servants staff.

  48. Oh, Fredster — I agree — you better look like Brad or Angelina if you start it — but fact is, someone who looked like them wouldn’t start it because they wouldn’t be as insecure as a$$hat so obviously is (not that he doesn’t have good reason LOL!!!)

  49. angienc2, on January 10th, 2009 at 2:28 am Said:

    Fredster — oh, so you are from the “put the cologne where ever you hope to be kissed” school of thought! LOL

    Nah, was teasing. Just some around the throat, chest and a tad rubbed together on the wrists.

    Can’t stand someone drowning in the stuff. I mean, have you ever gotten set for some serious pit-kissing/nuzzling and you are overwhelmed with scent or worse yet, powder? Pffffgssttt! Of course good ole b.o. would be worse. 😯

  50. GAgal: COBRA s*cks. I had the misfortune to leave my (second and final) large law firm when I was six months pregnant and so had no other choice. $900 a month! For rotten coverage. Thank God I had the savings to cover it — the baby was premature and if I hadn’t paid the COBRA I would still be paying the $50,000 NICU bill. Unfortunately, after I had the baby and quit the COBRA the only other policy I could find was also $900, and they insisted on declining maternity coverage. I hate insurance companies.

  51. Why do we lose every election? Why to people not want us in charge? Why oh why oh why, I just don’t understand!

  52. Aaaand Fredster reminds me why I am so very glad to be out of the dating pool.

  53. angie at 2:33. That’s absolutely right. Hell I’m no Brad or (name your fave film stud) but I’m not Quasimodo either, but still it’s just not nice.

  54. Jadzia at 2:35 – LOL!!

  55. Seriously — it never ceases to amaze me how critical men who are no prizes can be of women. I was at the Jazz Fest once (an outdoor music concert/fair held in NOLA annually) and I over heard these two men who were at least a good 70 lbs overweight each, and who did not have their shirts on (it is HOT in NOLA, but nobody should have to see that — and there are children there!) talking sh!t about this woman who was in a bikini top & shorts. Now, it is true that this woman would have looked better in that bikini top 10 lbs ago, but she was by no means gross (as the men were — she just kind of had a little pouch). Yet these two guys were criticizing her “gut” and how she “should hide that” blah, blah, blah. The f*ckers — even thinking about it now more then 10 years later p*sses me off!

  56. Seriously, on January 10th, 2009 at 2:34 am Said:

    Why do we lose every election? Why to people not want us in charge? Why oh why oh why, I just don’t understand!

    It’s because we have died and gone to HEELLLLL!!!

  57. My “nastiest cologne” story is actually not about dating, but about my (thankfully, thankfully, thankfully) former MIL, who used to pretty much bathe in it — as an alternative to actually bathing. I claimed to be allergic in order to avoid riding in the car with the woman. Yick.

  58. It is mean, but honesly, what do you think is going to happen to you when you start slagging women who are 14 billion times more attractive than you, you twerp? They’re going to fall into a helpless puddle of inadequacy because you don’t like tham? No–they’re going to mock the hell out of you.

  59. Angie didn’t you want to go ask “And you of course are Patrick Swayze and his twin brother, yes?”

  60. angie, it’s male entitlement syndrome in a nutshell. No matter what they look like, they think women exist to please them.

  61. Jadzia — the insurance companies are evil. Early in my career, I made the mistake of joining a firm that did insurance defense — I got out as soon as my 1 year was up. I’m not shriveled up & dead inside — which is, I believe, a prerequisite to adequately defend them.

  62. Seriously-Amen sister.

    Jadzia- I like to wear scent/cologne, but not overdo it. The bad thing for me is that I’m so used to the Lauder stuff that sometimes I’m afraid I’ve overdone it because I’m so used to the smell. I don’t care if it’s a man or woman but there’s nothing worse than leaving a scent of it wafting behind you after you left 5 minutes ago.

  63. seriously-at 2:43: That’s when you want to point-blank ask them “Have you looked closely in a mirror?” But then of course they’d call you a bitch.

    Oh shit, I see I didn’t close an italic!

  64. the “you might be an Obot” post over at NQ is heeeelarious

  65. Angie: I would think insurance defense would be the lowest level of lawyer h*ll. Particularly because the insurance companies put such downward pressure on the rates that there really isn’t any money in it. : ) My only dealings with that kind of law has been as Cumis counsel (a California thing but I’m sure there’s an analog in your state — it’s when the insurance company is forced to pay for outside/independent counsel for their insured), in one hellacious sexual harassment case, and it was awful. I do have one friend who has made a boatload in insurance litigation — by suing the insurance companies!

    Fredster — Or what about the folks at work whose offices smell like perfume? I don’t get that at all.

  66. Insurance defense? I wouldn’t want to think about it! Angie would you have wanted to do that in Louisiana after Katrina? I’m not a lawyer but I would have felt like a slug crawling on the ground.

  67. Jadzia, that’s when I’d want to bring back smoking in the office!

  68. My “early in the career” horror story involves joining a huge law firm that was best known for its M&A and securities work, thinking that because the work basically involved big companies fighting with each other, it was really just moving money around and was therefore morally neutral.

    Apparently I started on the wrong day because I got staffed on a big product liability case representing the manufacturer of an odious product that (allegedly!) was causing teenagers and young women to have strokes. So screwing stroke victims was my job for 15 months until I finally quit.

    Talk about feeling like a slug. Dis-gus-ting.

    Sorry about the OT. It is way too late to concentrate.

  69. Jadzia-Oh my. That had to give you a warm fuzzy feeling at the end of the day.

  70. Jadzia — lowest level of lawyer h*ll about sums up insurance defense – that is why I got out after only 1 year. Before that I was at a really huge firm in the civil litigation department & represented Big Tobacco (as the low level associate of course). I thought that was hell — after 3 years of that I started interviewing (on the DL, of course) & jumped at the first offer I got not stopping to think that there *might* actually be something worse then defending the tobacco companies (hard to believe there is, I know). Lord, I learned my lesson! At least Big Tobacco paid big without blinking an eye & took us out to nice dinners, etc. 🙂

  71. Oh well, I have to run back to Wally-world. I forgot some stuff and rain is supposed to roll in tomorrow and I’d rather not be out in it if it turns out like the last batch which put almost 5 inches of rain in the B’ham area!

    Later y’all!!

  72. Fredster — I will wait tables before I work in insurance defense again (and I know how hard waiting tables is — it is how I worked my way through undergrad).

  73. night Fredster!

  74. YOU MIGHT BE AN OBOT IF…

    You feel tingles running up or down your legs when That One is orating. (OK, I’m just getting warmed up, and I had to get that one out of my system.

    You’ve never paid any attention to politics until Obama ran for President, and now you’ve become a political expert by reading Huffington Post and/or Daily Kos.

    You get called a Cheetoh a lot but you don’t know why.

    h/t ElderJ

  75. How about the doctors who work for insurance companies deciding what procedure is necessary -uh- I mean covered? That’s where the life or death decisions are made. I’ll bet that job has a high burn out rate.

  76. One good thing about hitting Wally-world at this time of morning is very few customers and you just have to work around the folks stocking shelves. It’s almost a breeze to get in and out.

    Bye!

  77. Jadzia — this is an open thread you cannot be OT!

    Your “early in the career” horror story sound as bad as mine! LOL

  78. Ah, I am glad I left law school. I would have made a terrible lawyer and I hated civ pro

  79. GAgal — Is it actually doctors who decide?

    Angie: Big Tobacco? Yeesh. I knew I had to get out of my second big firm when they started chasing that business. (Of course, the managing partner of that firm would have run over his own mother for a buck, but I digress.)

  80. myiq — why are you h/t elderj — I brought up the “you might be an obot” thread at NQ earlier in this thread — in fact, I would bet my comment about it is what caused elderj to go there — why are you giving the man the credit? Umhm, I see how it is! 😉

  81. Angie: Well, unless your early career involved partners who threw things at you, I think I probably win! You know, in the sense that I am actually a big loser.

    Afrocity: I hated civ pro too. Of course, that’s the only thing you do the first few years out of school!

  82. Everybody hates civ pro

    Especially the people who teach it.

    Ahhhh! I’m having flashbacks now. International Shoe! Erie/reverse Erie

    Remand/removal

    (headdesk)

  83. afrocity — I love civ pro. (seriously, still my favorite class). LOL!!

    I’m a good lawyer now that I found a practice area I really love — I really get to help people — something that was definitely not the case when I was defending Big Tobacco & insurance companies.

    I’ll tell you what, though — I made an obscene amount of money when I was defending Big Tobacco — but I also worked an obscene amount of hours. Now, I make much less, work 9-5 and get the satisfaction of helping to make a positive change in people’s lives — that is worth a lot more than money.

  84. I wonder if Obots are actually going to start naming their kids Barack and Baracka. We’ll never be able to forget this period if so.

  85. Sorry Angie

    😦

    I didn’t read the whole thread, just the last part.

  86. Holy International Shoe! What is up with all the civ. pro hate?

  87. myiq — I was joking! (obviously lamely!)

  88. If people start naming their kids for Obama then in 10 years are we gonna have a bunch of brats named “Shit-for-brains?”

  89. Seriously the name game has been covered. Yep there has been a surge (excuse the pun) in babies being named Obama or Barack.

  90. Frequent and continuing contacts with the forum state so as not to offend tradtional notions of fair play and substantial justice.

  91. Jad,
    Oh yeah. I know one who thought it would be easier than dealing with a practice and those whiny patients all day (guess he wasn’t a people person) but somewhere, somehow he found a conscience. Well, I guess he did. Now he travels to “consult” whatever the heck that means.

  92. Obots: if you have twins, do NOT name them Barack and Baracka, it sounds too much like dumb and dumber. Pick one name and use it.

  93. “Pick one name and use it.”

    “This is my brother Darryl, and this is my other brother Darryl”

  94. Jadzia — I’ve never worked for a partner who didn’t throw things at people. “Being nice” isn’t the way to become partner at those big firms — btw, my time at those big firms explains my penchant for cursing — it was all I heard from the partners. The firm I am at now is like heaven — small, the partners treat me like their own daughter & they are true southern gentlemen — never raise their voices or curse outside of the occasional “gosh darnit” (for realz!). I’m leaving this place feet first.

  95. I think the civ pro hate is because (a) as a first year law student the material is REALLY confusing to many people; and (b) many first year law students come into law school wanting to change the world or do something substantive (be a criminal lawyer, be an environmental lawyer, be a business lawyer, whatever), and civ pro’s tangled thicket of “gotchas” can seem like, well, the opposite of that. I think they should just incorporate the subject into a year-long litigation/lawyering practicum so that students can understand how the rules actually work in context — I think it would be more meaningful and easier to understand that way. Which is why I am not in charge of the law school curriculum, obviously.

  96. Okay, I am off to bed. The snow is making me sleepy. Angie Santa should be there early next week.

  97. This creates a dilemma, what if you meet the love of your life and his name is Barack or Obama? A constant reminder of how much this year sucked?

  98. night afrocity! Don’t go and do something crazy like leave TC, ‘kay?

  99. okay just keep myiq from calling me evil 😉

  100. Angie — Well, hearing that gives me hope. I am kind of stepped off of the treadmill for a while (I work at a law school but also have kept a solo practice going part-time) mostly because I have despaired of finding a law firm that didn’t make me want to slit my wrists. That sounds like hyperbole, but it actually is not. I don’t know where our profession got the idea that success = being an a**hole to everybody around you and most particularly the people who are ON YOUR OWN TEAM.

    Maybe that’s where the 0bots came up with their “under the bus” strategy.

    See? Topic! Kind of.

  101. That’s pretty cool that KB powered her TV during a power outage by hooking to a motorcycle battery. I don’t have a motorcycle battery laying around but I’m curious how a person goes about that.

  102. You’re too nice to be evil

  103. Jadzia — see, I think it is better to weed out the people who can’t hang right off the bat — can’t follow civ pro? just get out now. Think you are going to change the world? just get out now. LOL I’m joking a little, but I’m serious too. I also think you should have to pass the bar the first time — really — you just spent the last 3 years of your life doing nothing but going to law school — it should be cake. I would, however, be willing to give a max. of 2 chances. You know you have met some morons & thought “how the h*ll did s/he pass the bar?” There are too many of those and they are ruining the reputation of all attorneys.
    Hmm, I guess I have it in me to be a partner at a big firm after all. LOL!

  104. I know a guy who passed the bar on his 12th try

  105. No, it wasn’t me – I was a first-timer

  106. Seriously, on January 10th, 2009 at 3:17 am Said:

    Seriously I gah-run-tee that anyone whose parents named him/her Barrack or Obama will be unable to raise “love of your life” material.

  107. You know you have met some morons & thought “how the h*ll did s/he pass the bar?”

    That’s why I went to law school. I figured “If he/she could do it, so can I”

  108. Archivist of Evil would be a cool name for a blog, though. Fear me, I am the Archivist of Evil

  109. I was a first timer twice (two different states — 10 years apart! I admit, I did sweat the one I took 10 years after the first one — what the heck did I remember about property? Still my most hated class & the common law version is 100x worse than the civil law version).

  110. “We named him for President Obama – his name is Kool-aid”

  111. Jadzia — this is an open thread — you can’t be OT! LMAO!

    When did I become Jan Brady? Am I invisible? LOL

  112. myiq –LMAO!

  113. Angie — I understand the weed-out impulse. For once my opinion on this comes from a place of kindness — given what law school costs nowadays (I had a junior associate at my last firm who was $175K in debt!), if you’ve got somebody who doesn’t have the firepower to pass the bar exam it’s probably better to cut them loose before they get too far in the hole. And civ pro is important, but the way that it is important in practice is SO different than the way it is taught in law school that it’s ridiculous. And that’s more what I was getting at — civ pro to me is one of the classic examples of the “it’s law school, not lawyer school” attitude that I don’t think is very helpful either to students or to the profession (or, for that matter, to clients who are paying the big bucks to train junior associates who don’t know what the heck they are doing).

    There was a guy in California who took the exam, I kid you not, a couple of DOZEN times. He eventually passed. Ugh.

    Ok, I love Wikipedia. Famous flunkers of the California bar exam: KATHLEEN SULLIVAN (a Stanford law professor who took it after being in academia a long time, and flunked! but passed on her second try), LA Mayor Villaraigosa (flunked 4 times, never passed), Jerry Brown (passed on his 3rd try), former Governor Pete Wilson (passed on his 4th try). Here in Oregon, Senator Ron Wyden flunked at least once.

    I am beginning to think I might have had a more brilliant career if I had flunked it once or twice!

  114. Seriously:

    The Archivist of Evil is Oroku Saki. He works for Dick Cheney.

    (if you don’t get it, google it)

  115. Jadzia — my experiences have shown me that it is the nature of the practice — the big firms make the $$ from litigation — very stressful, which causes all the a–hole behavior. The practice that I am in now is bk — there is no trials — at the most hearing or “little trials” in front of the judge only — very low stress levels — so the people who practice it don’t act like a–holes.

  116. Jadzia:

    JFK Jr. had trouble too

  117. Or they could name for his accomplishments, “Our daughter, Illegal Wiretap, and our son, Has Penis.”

  118. I was a (successful) first-timer in two states as well. Both times were absolutely awful, and probably made worse because I didn’t take Bar/Bri. Mind you, I registered for Bar/Bri both times, but when I took Oregon I ended up having to work full-time all summer thanks to a financially irresponsible now-ex husband, and when I took California my evil behemoth firm paid for Bar/Bri but then refused to let me attend. I am never moving anywhere other than one of these two states, or alternatively to a state that has reciprocity. Never. Again.

  119. Seriously — LMAO!! “our son, Has Penis” is the funniest thing ever!

  120. myiq — How could I forget? “The Hunk Flunks!” I have to admit I actually felt bad for the guy. Way to compound the humiliation.

  121. Or they could name for his accomplishments

    “This is my son _______________”

  122. I’m going to turn in.

    G’night all!

  123. Jadzia — being successful & being smart is two different things — a lot of success has to do with luck/connections — I excuse Sullivan from that — she was in a position where she had not just gotten out of law school — if you aren’t “practicing” a certain area of law (or teaching it) then you forget the details you need to pass the bar that you would/should have known fresh out of law school. That is why I say people should be given 2 x — besides, it will help decrease the # of lawyers (and there really are too many of us, and it is cutting into my fees! dangit! 🙂 )

  124. Night myiq!

    How about this is my son “uh uh.” Wouldn’t want to leave obama’s great oratory skilz out.

  125. LOL “I am dot dot dot”

  126. Wow, action on The C at my time. Hi gang.

    Another good thread.

  127. Caroline Kennedy and Obama will produce a child and it shall be called “Uh, you know”

  128. Hillary flunked the bar and I read somewhere that so did Michelle Obama. Hillary, though, took the D.C. bar (correct me if I’m wrong) where the passage rate is less than 50%. The IL bar has like a 90% passage rate. Each state is different. NY, DC and CA are one of the hardest to pass so someone flunking in those states should have more leeway than someone from MI or IL.

  129. Hey scrubs!

  130. Ooh, did Bill pass on the first try? That’s an uncomfortable few months of marriage between tries!

  131. Jadzia — I agree with you about taking the bar again — NEVER. Really, when I came out of law school I was confident (I did take Bar/Bri & had just had 3 years of non-stop studying). But after 10 years I moved — keep in mind, I was originally in LA, the only civil law state — and now, besides having to bone up on stuff like con law & criminal law (which I hadn’t been practicing) I had to LEARN common law property, trusts (we don’t have trusts in civil law! — and btw, trusts are so stupid — when you die you shouldn’t be able to reach from beyond the grave to “control” your property — it isn’t your property) etc. I was so nervous about the thing — I took Bar/Bri again — but this time at home on cds. I passed, but as you say — never again. If I have to move it will be to LA or to a state with reciprocity or I will find a new career.

  132. I’m pretty sure Bill passed the bar. If he hadn’t I’m sure we would’ve heard about it a million times from the media whores. I don’t know where he took the bar but I’m assuming Arkansas. Academics just comes easily to some people and Bill is definitely one of them. I heard somewhere that Bill was one of those people who didn’t have to go to class and just showed up for the exam at the end of the semester and got an A.

  133. Did you go to law school in LA, Angie?

  134. Count me in for “finding a new career,” once my oldest son is 18 and his father (and I use the term loosely) can no longer beat me with the imputed income stick! Just call me Chef Jadzia.

  135. DV — she passed her 2nd time though, right? I said 2 tries — I can account for nerves which can mess up anyone — heck, both times I took it I hear some poor souls throwing up in the bathrooms prior to the exam starting — but you should be able to pass the 2nd time regardless of the state. Seriously — it is ‘hard” because of the sheer quantity of the material, but it is not as “difficult” as people make it out to be — because of the length, the questions are broad and flat out you should know them after having just spent 3 years in law school or you shouldn’t be an attorney.

  136. Oh if anyone is wondering about myiq’s Dick Cheney thing, it’s Shredder from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Funny. lol

  137. DV — LA is the state, not the city. But yes, I did.

  138. Do these politicians just admit to failing the bar? How do you find out if someone fails? I guess it’s better for them to tell the truth than to have someone find out later and have it be even more embarrassing. I think Hillary has been open about flunking the bar. It doesn’t seem like a big deal to her and I guess it shouldn’t since she’s proven that she’s more than capable to be a great lawyer and public servant.

  139. DV — the pass list is public record for the bar.

  140. ooh, that was kind of an ugly URL.

  141. And goodnight. I shudder to think about how few hours I have between now and the time my babies wake up.

  142. Jadzia — 48 times! Jesus, Mary & Joseph — do you really think that guy should be allowed to represent clients! There is no other profession that gives so many chances is there? Are doctors allowed to take their boards 48 times or engineers the PE? I don’t think so.

    Best line:

    “I believed I passed the bar each time. They just didn’t pass me.”

    Yeah, you passed, it was the examiners who conspired against you. LOL!
    (btw, for those who don’t know, you don’t take the bar under your own name so the graders don’t know whose paper they are grading).

  143. The CA bar is a nightmare from what I’ve heard from friends. I don’t know why that guy just didn’t try to take the bar in another state. Was it necessary for him to practice law in CA? Just move to Vegas or Tucson.

  144. Let me explain a little further about the anonymity of taking the bar — in the bar office there is a master list that matches up the “fake name” or random # under which a person takes the bars, the results come back under the pseudonyms & are then matched up to the person’s real identity. So the pass list has the real names on it.

  145. Night Jadzia!

    Why am I in moderation?

  146. Angie, just because the pass list is public doesn’t mean you need to tell people that you took the bar that year. Hillary apparently hid the fact that she failed the bar for 30 years. She failed the D.C. bar then passed the Arkansas bar:

    On November 3, the District of Columbia Bar Association notified Hillary that she had failed the bar exam. For the first time in her life she had flamed out — spectacularly, given the expectations of others for her and even more so her own. Of 817 applicants, 551 of her peers had passed, most from law schools less prestigious than Yale. She kept this news hidden for the next thirty years. She never took the exam again, despite many opportunities. Her closest friends and associates — Webb Hubbell, Jim Blair (Diane’s husband), Nancy Bekavac, Betsey Write, Sara Ehrman — were flabbergasted when she made the revelation in a single throwaway line in Living History. “When I learned that I passed in Arkansas but failed in D.C., I thought maybe my test scores were telling me something.”

    Those who knew her best speculated that she must have felt deep shame at her failure, and that her self-confidence — always so visible a part of her exterior — was shattered by the experience (though many first-rate lawyers, even Yale Law graduates, had flunked the bar on their first try). There can only be conjecture about what turn her life — and the nation’s — might have taken had she not failed the exam.

  147. Why would she take it in two different places? Overachiever. 🙂 I wonder why they were flabbergasted, most people wouldn’t bother to tell people they failed when they also passed, esp. since they were all obviously too into her business and would ahve made a big deal out of it.

  148. DV — well, you are right, but it is not very difficult for people to find out when you took a bar — who sits for the bar is also public record as well as the pass list — IMO, Hillary not mentioning it isn’t exactly “hiding” it — why should she? And I question that article about her feeling “deep shame” and “those who knew her best” speculation. The woman sat for 2 different bars in one year (you are misreading her quote — she passed the AK bar & failed the DC bar — that means she took them both the same year — her results came one after the other). Taking the bar drains you because it is a long, long exam — 3 days in LA, 2 in most others. I would never take 2 in one year — I would have been surprised to pass 2 the first time.
    And, fact is, she probably mentioned the fact that she failed in her book to dispel some of her “super wonk” image so people could relate to her more — I’m not surprised at all that she would do it in a throw away line like that instead of making a mountain out of a mole hill (which is what it is) — which further causes me to question the slant of that article.

  149. Seriously, each state has a different bar exam with different passage rates. IL has something like an 80 or 90% passage rate while CA has a very low passage rate compared to the rest of the nation. I think passing the bar is all about discipline and devoting an entire two months studying like it’s your job. If you don’t do that, you can be a genius and not pass the bar.

  150. I know you guys are speaking of law but medicine is often the same way – it can take several tries for subspecialists to pass their exams and it is actually expected.

    Hell, if those who fail once end up like Hillary…….we should all be so lucky.

  151. I’ve seen posts online about Michelle Obama failing the IL bar but I don’t know if this is true or not. I don’t think Michelle has ever given an official answer on the matter.

  152. DV — you are right to a point — as I said, the bar exam is not that difficult as far as the questions go but it is long & draining because of the mountain of material covered. That is why taking 2 in one year is NOT a good idea — it takes a lot of stamina & you do get “burn out” when it is over. However, if you don’t study for the bar like it is your job I would question your “genius” status. The bar isn’t something you can “wing it” on.

  153. and btw — by stamina I mean: have you ever taken a written exam that was 3 days long, 6 hours a day (not including timed breaks). That is the LA bar — I had to ice my hands each night after finishing for the day & then get up & do it again 2 more times.

  154. Damn. The bar sounds more gruelling than our written PLUS oral exams in Obstetrics and Gynecology.

    Sometimes I think it’s all just a rite of passage.

  155. scrubs — my main point here, which I don’t think is getting through — the bar exam is not so difficult that a person should need more then 2 tries to pass it. Honestly — it is draining, it requires stamina — but I don’t care what anyone wants to say about it — it is not that difficult that someone should be able to have 5, 10, 48!! tries at it & then get to call themselves an attorney. See how you say it is expected to fail your supspecialty exam in medicine — trust me on this — the bar isn’t that hard.

  156. Okay, I didn’t get that point, angie. The opposite is true in our field – it is friggin’ HARD!

  157. So, angie, are you saying that Hillary did an amazing thing by taking 2 different exams in the same year?

  158. I agree that if you really want to pass, you will pass without having to go into double digit attempts. That means buckling down. If you fail once (or even twice), then you make sure that you lock yourself in a room after class and study non-stop. If someone needs to take the bar exam 10,20,30,40 times, it just shows that the person won’t have the discipline to succeed as a lawyer and take their cases seriously.

  159. and if anyone thinks I’m coming off harsh about this I don’t apologize — I have dealt with too many people who are just plain not qualified to be entrusted with the care & duty of representing people. I take professional responsibility very seriously & it is on a deep decline in the field of law. It needs to be stopped because those attorneys taint the entire profession. Think of the lawyer jokes everyone knows — these are the result of people practicing law who never should have been attorneys in the first place & it hurts the entire profession. The legal profession did not use to be this way.

  160. scrubs — I’m saying Hillary did a CRAZY thing by taking two bar exams in the same year — I would be shocked if anyone could pass both in one year.

  161. In fact, I’ve never heard of anyone taking 2 bars in one year.

  162. Strange, ’cause Hillary seems anything BUT crazy. I guess we go back to the why question.

  163. Oh yeah, I missed one of your posts angie – in our field you are only allowed 3 tries. You fail those 3 and it’s time to find another field in medicine.

  164. I’m not going to make excuses for Hillary. I don’t know the entire story or what she did the summer before taking the D.C. bar. Maybe she totally slacked off, didn’t take any prep courses, and hung out with Bill. Who knows! We all know the woman she is now: a hard-working and successful senator who will soon be SOS.

    I’m also not going to blame the fact that Michelle Obama didn’t pass the IL on affirmative action, which is what I’ve seen on some right wing blogs. Regardless of what I think of her as a person, I don’t think she’s an idiot.

    There are students from top law schools and politicians who have graduated from top law schools who fail the bar. I think it might have to do with the fact that some people are too smart (or cocky) for their own good. Many probably think they are smart enough to wing it or slack off and still manage to pass. It doesn’t work that way.

  165. DV — exactly!

    it just shows that the person won’t have the discipline to succeed as a lawyer and take their cases seriously.

    Exactly — and I think their “wake up call” should be one fail — one more chance after that, and no more. People deride attorneys so much that they don’t think of the very serious responsibilities an attorney has toward his/her client. If a person cannot get him/herself “together” enough to take the bar seriously then I don’t think s/he should be entrusted with representing clients.

  166. scrubs — see! 3 tries or you have to find another field! Exactly right thinking in the medical field that is missing in the legal field.

  167. I’m not going to make excuses for Hillary. I don’t know the entire story or what she did the summer before taking the D.C. bar. Maybe she totally slacked off, didn’t take any prep courses, and hung out with Bill. Who knows! We all know the woman she is now: a hard-working and successful senator who will soon be SOS.

    I’m also not going to blame the fact that Michelle Obama didn’t pass the IL on affirmative action, which is what I’ve seen on some blogs. Regardless of what I think of her as a person, I don’t think she’s an idiot.

    Students and politicians from top law schools who fail the bar might have to do with the fact that some are too smart (or cocky) for their own good. Many probably think they are smart enough to wing it or slack off and still manage to pass. It doesn’t work that way.

  168. I don’t know why my posts aren’t showing up 😛

  169. scrubs — I think she was naive & didn’t know how much of a drain the first one would be on her — of course her performance on the 2nd one wouldn’t be good. Really, no one knows exactly what to expect until you actually take it. So, when I say “crazy” I mean it kind of jokingly.

  170. I don’t know the entire story or what Hillary did the summer before taking the D.C. bar. Maybe she totally slacked off, didn’t take any prep courses, and hung out with Bill. We all know the woman she is now: a hard-working and successful senator who will soon be SOS.

    I’m also not going to blame the fact that Michelle Obama didn’t pass the IL on affirmative action, which is what I’ve seen on some right wing blogs. Regardless of what I think of her as a person, I don’t think she’s an idiot.

    There are students from top law schools and politicians who have graduated from top law schools who fail the bar. I think it might have to do with the fact that some people are too smart (or cocky) for their own good. Many probably think they are smart enough to wing it or slack off and still manage to pass. It doesn’t work that way.

  171. I’m not going to make excuses for Hillary. I don’t know the entire story or what she did the summer before taking the D.C. bar. Maybe she totally slacked off, didn’t take any prep courses, and hung out with Bill. Who knows! We all know the woman she is now: a hard-working and successful senator who will soon be SOS.

    There are students from top law schools and politicians who have graduated from top law schools who fail the bar. I think it might have to do with the fact that some people are too smart (or cocky) for their own good. Many probably think they are smart enough to wing it or slack off and still manage to pass. It doesn’t work that way.

  172. I’m not going to make excuses for Hillary. I don’t know the entire story or what she did the summer before taking the D.C. bar. Maybe she totally slacked off, didn’t take any prep courses, and hung out with Bill. Who knows! We all know the woman she is now: a hard-working and successful senator who will soon be SOS.

  173. DV — a lot of words were added to the “spam” list to try to catch more tr0lls automatically.

  174. There are students from top law schools and politicians who have graduated from top law schools who fail the bar. I think it might have to do with the fact that some people are too smart (or cocky) for their own good. Many probably think they are smart enough to wing it or slack off and still manage to pass. It doesn’t work that way.

  175. There are students and politicians from top law schools who fail the bar and I think it might have to do with the fact that some are too smart or cocky for their own good. Many probably think they are smart enough to wing it or slack off and still manage to pass. It doesn’t work that way.

  176. There are students and politicians from top law schools who fail the bar and I think it might have to do with the fact that some are too smart for their own good. Many probably think they are smart enough to wing it or slack off and still manage to pass. It doesn’t work that way.

  177. scrubs — as to the why question I think the quote from her book explains it — she was trying to decide between AK & DC — she took both bars & when she passed AK & failed DC she thought “her grades were telling her something” i.e., you are meant to go to AK. Heck, AK could have been God’s plan for her & that is why she didn’t pass the DC bar (if you believe in those kinds of signs).

  178. DV —

    Many probably think they are smart enough to wing it or slack off and still manage to pass. It doesn’t work that way.

    And that is why they go into politics — again, I’m not saying you can’t be successful because you failed the bar — I’m saying you shouldn’t be entrusted with representing clients.

  179. I know I am coming off harshly here but my office has been dealing with one of those attorneys who should not have been entrusted with representing clients. I’m hoping the court will discipline him because it is serious what is going on.

  180. It is almost 5:00 a.m.! I’m going to bed!

    Night scrubs & DV — night everyone else who *may* be here!

  181. Well I posted something, hit submit and it went poof!

  182. Nite all.

  183. Sorry – my computer was taken over by visitors. Goodnight all. Will catch up more in a few days.

  184. Why do we call Obots Cheetohs? I guess I missed that post. Can someone explain? thanks.

  185. staunchwoman, the Daily Kos, a large blog which ran most of us out of their communtiy due to our inability to bow from the waist, has a garish color scheme of orange and something. The old description of internet blog users was young men sitting in their underwear in their mom’s basement eating Cheetos. Thus the orange Daily Kos became the big cheeto when they ran off all non Obama sanctioned posters such as myself.

  186. Also I think Heidi Li should have her own online magazine. She makes Salon, Slate, and yes that ridiculous class baiting “Ms” look like Pravda. I would happily pay what I used to pay Salon.

  187. Democrats are scrambling to point fingers for the Burris mess – and some even point to Obama
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/pointing-fingers-in-burris-mess-atobama-too/

  188. BTW, that MS cover is a keeper. It should be saved in the irony museum next to “W” stands for women, or W’s “I am a peacemaker”

  189. Isolde:

    You can spot an Obot on the street by their orange cheeto-stained fingers.

  190. Good Morning everyone

  191. GAgal @ 2:22AM,

    I wasn’t clear in my comment about the problem being generational. I meant that the need to ridicule dismiss other people must be generational. I know high school kids can be like that, but when I was in my generation we we pretty idealistic in our 20s. The young people I’m seeing at these sites like the Wanker place strike as so nehilistic and they seem to enjoy appearing heartless and cruel in their judgements of other people.

  192. BB,

    You have got to buy the new Vogue. I am flipping through it now and at first I thought the only Obot teaser was a spread on Obama and Michelle. This morning I took a closer look and it has an article on “Newsshapers” = women in the media. Surprise they only showcased Katie Couric, Campbell Brown and Rachel Maddow. What no Greta? No Megyn Kelley?

    So biased.

  193. good morning all

    afro there is no way i could buy that mag-i’d deface the BO/MO pics and wind up imprisoned.

    Isolde-what a great idea about paying Heidi Li for a subscription. I’d subscribe.

    Looks like holy hell broke loose last night. Damn, I missed it.

  194. BB:

    I want to do a post discussing why we see so much viciousness in the blogosphere.

  195. Oh yeah, check yer mail

  196. Catarina, I only bought it for the beautiful pics of upcoming African American model– Chanel Iman. I love to see women of color in high fashion.

    The pic of Michelle looks like she is in drag, I must say.

  197. I get up this morning to see another “huzzah” for Obama and the few days left until his “historic” swearing in takes place. They are drooling all over themselves in anticipation.

    So I have decided to buy myself an isolation tank to live in for the next 4 years. I think it may be my only chance to hang onto any semblance of sanity I may still have and avoid the ever present “isn’t he wonderful?” theme they keep promoting.

    I can’t stand much more!

  198. Good morning. I’m not over the Ms. cover yet. BB, was it your idea of preserving a copy? I don’t want to buy one though and make them think it was a good idea.

  199. myiq,

    I was watching Greta last night and she had several clips from that new Sarah Palin interview. Sarah talks about what the blogosphere did to her reputation.

  200. Pat, I know. I feel like I did the day after election. I stayed away from TV for two weeks. Thank God for the holidays interrupting the news cycle. Now I have knots in my stomach because of January 20th. Chicago will be shut down. I am forcing myself to watch it. It is a historic moment and my mom would have wanted me to. I have watched every inauguration since Carter’s so I should shouldn’t stop now.

  201. myiq,

    Please check your e-mail.

  202. myiq2xu, when people are anonymous and hide behind an alias the worst of themselves, which they usually hide in real life to avoid a potential lawsuit, comes out on the blogosphere. There are no repercussions for showing your true colors and being a misogynist. When the majority of the bloggers and writers are young white men, it only encourages this type of behavior. If Kos and Josh Marshall and KO can get away with writing disgusting sh*t, what is stopping their followers who probably have built up anger and resentment just waiting to be released. If the guy on that cupid dating site had to use his real name, he’d probably think twice before bragging about taking advantage of overweight girls in order to get laid once in a blue moon.

  203. afrocity, that’s very courageous of you. Perhaps there are some antidotes you can use to protect yourself. How long is the inauguration? It may be the hoopla surrounding it that is more offensive than the actual event.

    As much attention as he is getting already, the inauguration may be the beginning of the end of his term. He gets so ahead of himself.

  204. purplefinn, I will never get over the Ms. cover. I won’t be satisfied until that magazine goes under or issues a statement to their readers who are offended by the cover, whichever comes first.

  205. DisenfranchisedVoter, good point. My early impression of the internet still holds – the locker room exposed.

  206. Good morning, Afrocity!

    If I ever get out of my house this week, I’ll look at Vogue. Maybe I’ll do it at the library so I don’t have give them any money.

    It’s really important to protect yourself from the biased media. RD has always told us to just shut off the TV and get our news from the internet. I haven’t watched much TV news since last Feb. I listen to Fox News sometimes on XM radio, and I watched the debates, but none of the commentary. And I can’t remember the last time I turned on MSNBC.

  207. Afrocity,

    I’ve got 2 inches of ice out in front of my house, because I made the mistake of not shoveling during the recent ice storm. It’s rock solid. Yesterday I chipped if off my front porch and steps, today I have to try to get it off the sidewalk, because we are getting 8-10 inches of snow overnight.

  208. DisenfranchisedVoter, re Ms. – I do want to see “the morning after” explanations and regrets. The cover represents all of the “over the top” reactions (in hard copy) by formerly sane people on our side. I do feel like I am in the twilight zone.

  209. purplefin,

    That is a good idea. I bet there will be a lot of garbage on before the actual ceremony.

    BB,

    It is the January 2009 issue. I have to check out the MS. magazine. I have not seen the issue. I did not know MS was still in circulation.

  210. BB,

    We got hit hard in Chicago too. I miss Boston esp. Newberry Street.

  211. purplefin,

    Are you saying that you don’t want to subscribe to the new Ms., so you can get a free poster-size version of the cover? I can’t understand why. It’s only $35.00!

    https://store.msmagazine.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=179

    Special Offer: Join now to receive a limited-edition poster of the historic “This is What a Feminist Looks Like” Obama cover, along with a full year of Ms.-starting with the special inaugural issue-delivered to your mailbox.

  212. I have nothing personal against Obama. In fact, I really thought he had much potential to mine in the future but he really needed more seasoning before he became a presidential candidate since his tenure in the senate was quite limited.

    It was the MSM that turned me off to him followed by his willingness to play along with those outlandish adjectives attributed to him every time he opened his mouth. So much over the top enthusiasm based on nothing that I could see, The One, the Messiah complex, the answer to all our woes. It was more than overwhelming, especially when Hillary had displayed the 35 years of actual experience. And he did little to dissuade that foolishness.

    But after May 31st I just could not get onboard. The whole thing became suspect. Too many were eagerly jumping onto the train and to dismiss this suspicion that things just did not add up became sharpened. It was impossible to shrug off a sense of despair that the voters had no real say in how this ending would be written.

    As a result, I was unable to reach beyond the hoopla and it became less about Hillary and more about where we were going as a nation. If things could be rigged that easily in favor of one candidate what did future campaigns have in store? I saw democracy eviscerated and the will of the people put to shame.

    I wish I could see it differently but I cannot. My reason for opposing this president elect is that it is a reminder of 2000 all over again where the president was selected for us, and delivered by our own party who I had always felt dealt with fairness.

    I wish him well because his success is ours as well. But to become a cheerleader for me would be selling out my principles and I cling too strongly to that sense of fairplay that has been part of my psyche forever.

  213. BB, I’m getting sick now. bbl

  214. I am sitting in moderation with the snow piling up!

  215. Or take a look at the Vanity Fair with Tina Fey on the cover. For someone who ridiculed Palin for her being a former beauty queen, Tina sure embraces her role as a cover girl.

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  217. Did anyone happen to see the photoshop of the Ms. Magazine cover at The Real Barack Obama? I must say the pig nose and lipstick were definite improvements.

  218. A true face of feminism? Where was he when women candidates were being personally ridiculed? Where was he when gays were being defined by “religious” factions? Where was he when handicapped babes were being used as political punching bags? Where was he when ACORN was playing dirty tricks on his behalf? Nowhere.

    The voice of leadership demands that one speak out even in the face of critics who lean in another direction. Had he done so in at least one of those instances he may have placed that mantle more squarely on his own shoulders. Instead, as usual, he took the easy road by his silence in the face of these insults.

    Who is this man? I think we have seen the picture develop. He is weak and without a script, voiceless.

  219. afro lol!
    barack is definitely more feminine than michelle

  220. catarina: Got your shovel handy once again? We are in for it once more. 8-10 inches predicted here in Western MA starting this afternoon. I may go nuts from cabin fever if this continues and it is only January 10th!

  221. Pat, well said. I am less generous. I do hold it against Obama that he has encouraged some of the worst behavior, has been lax to take responsibility, and does not seem to put our country and the people first. No real courage of his convictions – an oxymoron because he is reputed not to have conviction?

    I think that perhaps, (with Ms magazine as the latest indicator) he has created a monster even he cannot control.

  222. pat i have so had enough. fell on my ass yesterday on the ice good thing i have a little winter padding there.
    but jeez enough already.

  223. About the digital TV issue: Converter boxes won’t work in many areas, such as valleys. How many people will be without warnings for tornadoes and other disasters because they can’t get the digital signals? We can’t get them at our home at all, but we got the analog ones fairly well on at least two channels. Fortunately we have a satellite dish, but if we ever fall on hard times and couldn’t pay for the service we will be SOL.

    This could be very bad.

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