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You’re not even likable enough, Frank Rich

[A slightly different version of the post appears at Heidi Li’s Potpourri]

Frank Rich, an entrenched New York Times columnist, finally decided to publish a wee bit of criticism directed a President Elect Obama just today, December 28. Just a tad of critique because, according to Rich, “for the first time a faint tinge of Bush crept into my Obama reveries this month.” As one  who has not been laboring under Obama reveries and who began trying to figure out whether he reminded me more of Richard Nixon or George W. Bush as far back as the fall of 2007, the this late faint awakening from a journalist of many years’ experience seems peculiar, to say the least. I know that coming out of a pleasant reverie must be difficult, but Rich is barely awake and certainly not likable enough given the narrow basis for his creeping concerns about Mr. Obama. Rich’s main beef is that Mr. Obama has displayed “his own brand of hubris and arrogance” by expending an amount of “political capital” that Rich considers “small change” because, according to Rich, most Americans who know about  Rick Warren like him.

Indeed, Rich himself kind of likes Rick Warren because: “His good deeds are plentiful on issues like human suffering in Africa, poverty and climate change.” Sure, Warren “is opposed to same-sex marriage, but so is almost every top-tier national politician, including Obama.” (Note to Mr Rich: there is some scary circularity in the logic here.  It is no sign of acceptability of any kind that “almost every top-tier national politician” and Rich Warren are on the same side of any given issue.) With regard to Warren’s hatred of gays, Rich cannot even be bothered by anything other than Warren’s “defamation” of gays. So he apparently is not bothered by Warren’s comparison of women who exercise their right to abortion to Nazis or his assertion of the propriety of wifely submission. What is it with these men who comment on Warren? They object to his treatment of group that includes men (gays) but they cannot even note Warren’s misogynistic worldview, one in which all wives are second-class to all husbands and women exercising their constitutional rights to bodily self-determination are put on the same moral plane as Nazis.

Rich confidently writes of Obama “he’s not about to rescind the invitation.” I assume that Rich is confident of that because he does note Obama’s
“cockiness” – which Rich ultimately excuses, writing “By the historical standards of presidential hubris, Obama’s disingenuous defense of his tone-deaf invitation to Warren is nonetheless a relatively tiny infraction. It’s no Bay of Pigs. But it does add an asterisk to the joyous inaugural of our first black president. It’s bizarre that Obama, of all people, would allow himself to be on the wrong side of this history.”

I wholeheartedly agree that the decision to have Rick Warren bless his inauguration is no Bay of Pigs. But Frank Rich just can’t quite pull himself out of his reverie if he calls the Warren invitation and Warren’s role in the event an “asterisk to the joyous inaugural of our first black President.” Having a bigoted, homophophic, misogynistic cleric headline your inaugural is likely to render the event anything but joyous for millions of Americans. What Rich regards as an asterisk, they recognize as the sharp elbow to the ribs.

Why doesn’t Mr. Obama simply rescind the invitation? It was a bad idea to extend it and the incoming President of the United States does not have to stick with bad ideas, just like he does not have to retain staff members who engage in boorish bigoted conduct (vide Jon Favreau). Mr Rich urges “humility and equanimity everywhere in America, starting at the top.” Mr. Obama has a wonderful opportunity to display both qualities immediately. Instead of hiding from the press in Hawaii, he could set up a microphone and say:

“I made a poor decision when I invited Rick Warren to give the inaugural invocation.  It is difficult to withdraw the invitation now without embarrassing Mr. Warren, but I must take full responsibility for my own mistake in extending the invitation in the first place. I apologize wholeheartedly for having created this awkward situation which does, I realize embarrass Mr. Warren. But Mr. Warren’s pride is not most important thing at stake here. My own insensitivity to the concerns of gays and women led me to make a poor decision, one that is ruining the inauguration for many people who voted for me in the first place. I want to be the first to show that I can, calmly and with equanimity, change my mind when I know I have made a poor choice.”

In the alternative, if Mr. Obama cannot bear to embarrass Rick Warren by disinviting him, he can have invite a second cleric or other leader with rather different views than Mr. Warren’s regarding gays and women to stand right beside Mr. Warren and give a co-invocation.

Precisely because this is no Bay of Pigs, Mr. Obama can do something about the situation before he goes through with a bad choice. The inauguration has not happened yet. Nobody’s life depends on Mr. Obama sticking with a plan that once made might be risky to change. But a lot of people’s opinion of Mr. Obama rides on what he does about the current situation; could be that much more than “small change” is at stake. Finally, setting aside political calculus, it might be nice to have the incoming President distinguish himself from the outgoing one by demonstrating that he has the guts to recognize his own mistakes and to ameliorate or correct them for himself when he has the opportunity.

87 Responses

  1. The shocking thing is the Frank Rich gets paid to produce mindless drivel.

  2. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Frank Rich just plain sucks. Maybe it’s all that CDs and Obama Worship this pathetic excuse for a columnist has inhaled. He and Maureen Dowd should endure a shotgun marriage.

  3. Frank Rich is ridiculous. But seriously, why can’t this invitation be withdrawn? I know, I know, it would be out of character for Obama, he is unlikely to do it, but please for a moment focus on the question: why must we all accept this decision as fait accompli when all Mr. Obama must do is change it?

  4. With all due respect, HeidiLi: when have Obama’s pampered feet ever been held to the fire? When has he ever been held accountable for his actions/lack of actions? When has he ever acted out of conscience and a sense of moral fitness? He has achieved his hollow, pointless ascendance solely because he has never been held accountable. Not all of us accept this seriously lousy decision; some of us are condemning it in the strongest terms. But expecting Obama’s greased path to suddenly develop skids is like expecting spoiled meat to miraculously morph into fresh peaches.

  5. Heidi:

    Do you have a strategy to “hold his feet to the fire?”

    Petitions and protests have produced zero results so far.

  6. Kat5,
    I don’t EXPECT as in anticipate that Mr. Obama will change his mind. But I reserve the right to raise my expectations of him in the hope that if enough people make it clear that they expect better of him he will wake up from his own reverie long enough to think that for reasons of pure self interest, if no better ones, he might want to consider changing his behavior.

    If we don’t ask for obvious, easy changes we’re doomed for 4 to 8 years of no changes in a politician I do not support and do not care for.

    The way to hold Mr. Obama’s feet to the fire is to ask him, as I titled the version of this post at Potpourri: “Mr. Obama, why not change your mind? It is your party, disinvite Rick Warren.”

  7. Honestly, I hope Obama doesn’t back down and keeps doing more stuff like it.

    Maybe then the Sippy-Kup Kidz will finally wake up and realize they ain’t getting a pony.

  8. myiq2xu: Yes, I do have a strategy for holding his feet to the fire. It is a time tested strategy used against arrogant misguided leaders, with the first step being: just keep asking in every way possible – why CAN’T you do the right thing?

    Gandhi used it. Mandela used it. It shifts the burden of proof, as we lawyers say. Instead of presuming that the status quo is acceptable, we ask the simple question that shifts the burden to the person perpetuating the taken-for-granted-but-wrong status quo.

  9. myiq: what I am proposing goes hand in hand with what you thinking. Every time a leader who acts wrongly is asked, “hey, why don’t you change?” and then does not it heightens the odds that those who have accepted him or her as always right will join in the questioning.

  10. The request to do differently reminds people that it could be done differently.

    Why can’t you fire Jon Favreau, Mr. Obama? (If Favreau is such a genius you are not ruining him for life, so why can’t you fire him?)
    Why can’t you disinvite Rick Warren, Mr. Obama (If Rick Warren is so Christian and therefore not prideful, he can handle the embarrassment, especially if Mr. Obama takes responsibility for the decision, so why can’t Mr. Obama take responsibility and disinvite this chap?_

    Why can’t you establish a high profile President’s Empowerment of Women Advisory Board, Mr. Obama?

    Why can’t you stop lawyering up and act according to the theme of change you held out to people? (If the reason is either that you have engaged in wrongdoing or you never meant a dam’ word of what you said, then your failure to give a different answer or to change your conduct will tell us a great deal about you?)

  11. Kat5: I personally find Rich loathsome, and have for some time. I didn’t mean to suggest otherwise. And to him I ask, again more prominently over at Potpourri, why can’t you see the misogyny here as well as the gay bashing?

  12. Pampers threw everyone else under the bus, why not Warren? Perhaps because he knows that after throwing the left under the bus for four years he’s going to need the evangelical vote…who knows what goes on in that head of his?

    I’d suggest Desmond Tutu, but I’d hate to see him legitimizing Pampers that way. Maybe Warren is the perfect choice after all.

  13. I wonder if Obama came up with this himself (Warren) or if it was suggested and he went along.

    Unless this really blows up in his face I doubt he’ll do anything about it.

  14. Fredster, I am sure this is the quid pro quo for Warren making Saddleback available to Obama for the “debate” there with McCain. THAT was clearly a signal to the evangelicals to either stay home and not vote for McCain or to go ahead and vote for Obama. And it is folks like that, evangelicals,who showed up in California, voted for Obama AND for Proposition 8.

  15. Obama is using the math.

    He figures he can win more votes from the fundies than he’ll lose from the lefties and LGBTs.

    He’s not worried about a primary challenge in 2012 and he’s counting on “party unity” in the general.

  16. myiq2xu, on December 28th, 2008 at 3:41 am Said:

    I agree. He’s using the math based on assumptions he can make now. If we can’t change those assumptions, and if we really think that, that I will just drop out of direct political commentary altogether, switch entirely to addressing what i regard as the basic social ills of our time and never comment on or question the assumptions that make the current calculation seem to Obama like the correct one. I’m strongly considering that option. But I hate to go down without a fight. And to me, a fight means more than just complaining about Obama: it means confronting him. I’ll march on the Mall against his misogyny and homophobia; I will record every moment of duplicity. I am certainly boycotting the inauguration. When dealing with a totalitarian personality type, resistance is crucial.

  17. He figures he can win more votes from the fundies than he’ll lose from the lefties and LGBTs.

    He’s not worried about a primary challenge in 2012 and he’s counting on “party unity” in the general.

    That sucks.

  18. For the both of you: I wonder how much our coming depression will change his assumptions?

    It doesn’t look like the economy is going to turn around anytime soon and unless he works some miracles it is going to be worse in 2012 than now.

  19. […] is, black people who are not normally considered part of the “black mainstream,” i.e, Barack Obama and other Republicans, are now fighting over which ones of them get the right to define, celebrate and/or exploit […]

  20. I feel that we must keep challenging Obama on the regressive policies he seems to promote by his actions and words. His support of certain people is particularly bewildering and frightening. For one thing, Warren’s “submissive wife” attitudes that encourage women to go along with their husbands’ “leadership,” even when they know they are wrong, is incalculably stupid. I thought we had shed those hypocritical and harmful practices after the 1950s. Didn’t our mothers raise us with an old phrase that was something like, “If your brother jumps off a cliff or leaps into a fire, are you going to do it, too?” Isn’t a mother’s responsibility also to protect her children? Submitting to wrongheaded leadership could be disastrous.

    Anyway, if we don’t challenge Obama’s support of people like Favreau and Warren, including his Pontius Pilate-like handwashing of various groups of people and issues, we will be heading downward on that terrible slippery slope.

  21. Another title for this post, “Frank Rich Bemoans Tarnished Halo”

    Heidi Li, at 3:59 am Said:
    “But I hate to go down without a fight. And to me, a fight means more than just complaining about Obama: it means confronting him. I’ll march on the Mall against his misogyny and homophobia; I will record every moment of duplicity. I am certainly boycotting the inauguration. When dealing with a totalitarian personality type, resistance is crucial.”

    I like your tactic. So few dare criticize Obama. So many of us (me included) are cynical and hold low expectations. The resistance needs to continue (it started with our not accepting the Democratic Party’s chosen one). Directly challenging Obama to do the right thing is novel, bold and could even be empowering.

  22. If you ever spoke to one of the messiah’s followers ..it is quite nauseating. I once again had that awful priveledge last night…and really the only thing you can do is walk away. They think this man is going to save the world. ..and everything that pertains to the people. They have taken every word…washed it down with the kool aid ..and are as blind as bats. How can this country go from one awful extreme to something that is totally nuts?

  23. I am surprised you didn’t point out that Rich couldn’t manage to write a column criticizing his idol without also insulting Bill Clinton. Rich quotes Timothy McCarthy, who in speaking about Obama’s treatment of the gay community said Obama should not be “…a sweet-talking swindler who would throw us under the bus for the sake of political expediency” the way Bill Clinton did! I seem to recall Clinton paying a huge price for pushing to allow gays to serve openly in the military early in his administration. Yes, he accepted the “Don’t ask, don’t tell” compromise, but to do more would have been political suicide. Obama’s choice of Warren is his reaction to the trouble this issue caused Clinton. Instead of standing up for what is right, he panders to the opposition. Talk about political expediency!

  24. Why, oh, why didn’t they keep Frank Rich writing theater reviews? He was really good at it. Once he got political – remember him attacking Gore in 2000, he was mostly wrong, most of the time – and flamboyantly so. Thanks for this entry – I couldn’t bring myself to read his actual drivel, stomach too sensitive. But the Obama reveries line – it’s a keeper.
    meanwhile, it seems W’s conscience rule will hurt gays too and Dems didn’t move a finger to prevent it when they could have

    W’s “conscience rule” could hurt gays as well

  25. rick warren is a delusional deity worshiping superstitious monkey with car keys. as are all people who still cringe in fear of a fictitious deity and believe he (the deity) hates the same people they do.

  26. Oh, but perhaps The One doesn’t KNOW about the hate and verbal violence that Warren espouses. After all, Pampers sat in Wright’s church for 20 years and didn’t hear a word that was said there.

  27. […] last words from Obama propagandist Frank Rich – thank you Heidi Li . As one  who has not been laboring under Obama reveries and who began trying to figure out whether […]

  28. Of course Rich insults Bill Clinton. It’s a rule at the NYTimes. You can’t mildly criticize Bush or Obama without saying that Clinton is worse.

  29. Morning all – I agree with Myiq. (Great post, Heidi Li!)

    IMHO, Obama does not see this invitation as a mistake. He has been shown to be able to change his mind in a heartbeat, sometimes saying two exactly opposite things in less than a day (remember Iran being a serious threat, then not a threat in the primaries? what about an undivided Jerusalem?).

    Changing his mind is not the problem. The problem is that Obama’s ONLY PRIORITY is re-election. Literally. He is so extreme in that priority that he has given little or no thought to actually governing. And I doubt that he ever will. Every decision he makes in the next four years will be geared towards winning and keeping the electoral coalition he now has.

    Does that mean we can give up? Hell no.

    As Heidi Li says, we need to offer an alternative to this preening, narcissistic nothing in 2012, and we need to keep pointing out his many, many deficiencies to his zombie followers. Some are already waking up, and we must convince more and more of them to do so in the coming years, so that Obama does not have the opportunity to do further damage to our country.

  30. madamab, I do so agree with you. His only thought is for reelection — as he has spent his life doing nothing but campaigning for the next office.

    But I think he is looking to expand his coalition, and that’s why he invited Warren. He’s looking to get the evangelical vote, so anyone in the way of that better look out.

  31. plural – He already got the moderate and left-leaning evangelical votes. I don’t know if he’ll ever get the rightwing ones, but I agree that he’s going to try.

    Bad news for women and gays in America.

  32. I found this part of the article amusing:

    Since he’s not about to rescind the invitation, what happens next? For perspective, I asked Timothy McCarthy, a historian who teaches at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government and an unabashed Obama enthusiast who served on his campaign’s National Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Leadership Council. He responded via e-mail on Christmas Eve.

    After noting that Warren’s role at the inauguration is, in the end, symbolic, McCarthy concluded that “it’s now time to move from symbol to substance.” This means Warren should “recant his previous statements about gays and lesbians, and start acting like a Christian.”

    McCarthy added that it’s also time “for President-elect Obama to start acting on the promises he made to the LGBT community during his campaign so that he doesn’t go down in history as another Bill Clinton, a sweet-talking swindler who would throw us under the bus for the sake of political expediency.” And “for LGBT folks to choose their battles wisely, to judge Obama on the content of his policy-making, not on the character of his ministers.”

    Obama made promises?

  33. Agree – Obama was already referring to his “second term” right after the primaries were decided. He carries the yoke of an elaborate legacy that he is already building–even before doing one li’l thing that history will find remarkable other than the theft of the democratic process. There is extraordinary pressure to be the Best King–er, President, Ever, and it’s going to take a second term to undo the mistakes he will certainly make in the first term. It’s never been about the real people of America. It’s been about him. Thus, we see the continued gilding of his image no matter what he does.

  34. Mr. McCarthy omits the role of Bob Dole, Sam Nunn, and Colin Powell in blocking Bill Clinton from being able to keep his promises on gays in the military.

  35. Oh I’m sorry, am I not supposed to mention Colin P0-well?

  36. Myiq – OMG!

    After noting that Warren’s role at the inauguration is, in the end, symbolic, McCarthy concluded that “it’s now time to move from symbol to substance.” This means Warren should “recant his previous statements about gays and lesbians, and start acting like a Christian.”

    Uh, Warren’s statements about gays, lesbians AND WOMEN are earning him tens of millions of dollars a year. What in the world would motivate him to change?

    Honestly, how f*ckiing stupid are these people?

    Oh, and yes, Obama said he’d repeal Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Of course, he has already reneged on that promise.

    WTYS!!!!

  37. If we repeal DADT without lifting the ban on gays serving in the military, isn’t that a return to the original policy?

  38. OT, but I haven’t seen a post here about the Israel/Palestinian situation. It’s got me scared. I was wondering if you were going to post on this.

  39. “Finally, setting aside political calculus, it might be nice to have the incoming President distinguish himself from the outgoing one by demonstrating that he has the guts to recognize his own mistakes and to ameliorate or correct them for himself when he has the opportunity.”

    Mistakes? TehOne has made mistakes? Surely you jest.
    Why, just last night, I heard how there has never been a president with as much charisma and brilliance. And that he never once said or did anything that could reflect badly on him or his constituents. He ran the most positive campaign there ever was.

    Tonight is yet one more holiday gathering this time with people who might be more critically thinking. I am hoping to salvage something of this year’s holidays. But if not, then I know we are going to have one helluva fight come 2012.

    I find I cannot begin to speak with any calm with my family about this pretender. And when I mention Rick Warren or FISA, their eyes glaze over as if they cannot bear to listen to anything that might give them pause.

    OMG. Betty is right. Just walk away.

  40. angelasmith – I was writing one, but I got too upset. Just thinking about how Bush has screwed the pooch by invading and occupying Iraq, and having this whole “hands-off” attitude to brokering peace in Israel, well…it makes me scared too.

  41. Heidi Li,

    Don’t you dare stop commenting on political issues! Well, anyway, please don’t. We need your voice, and it’s never hopeless. We have to resist. Myiq is right that the more of this kind of stuff that Obama pulls early on, the better. We need the majority of the country to wake up before 2012.

    It really is shocking that most “high-profile politicans” are anti-gay rights, isn’t it? And the fact that hardly anyone–even women writers–seems concerned about Warren’s attitudes toward women is just another reflection of the damage to publica attitudes about women’s equality that Obama managed to do over the past year.

  42. WHen I heard about the attack against Palestine, yesterday morning, I thought it was one of those “Year In Review” things the news radio station does at this time of year. SO I waited to hear what month (or year, even) the story was referring to. I was shocked when I determined that it was a current story from yesterday.
    It is frightening. Made even more so when I think of the Indian/Pakistan conflict and the yahoos who are both leaving as well as entering the White House and associated offices of government.

  43. Heidi Li, on December 28th, 2008 at 2:26 am Said:

    Frank Rich is ridiculous. But seriously, why can’t this invitation be withdrawn?
    **************
    Because Rick Warren wasn’t an error in judgment, Obama invited him for a reason. Whatever the psychopathology is, this is just another example. He could have more easily dis-invited McClurkin or not had Mr. Prop 8, Doug Kmiec, in charge of his value tour. IMO, Obama despises the people that we label ‘obots and he derives pleasure from pi**ing them off. The best example was during the primary when he was asked about “moving right” and the ‘obots” were talking about “necessary political moves…brilliant..blah..blah” and Obama said “I haven’t moved anywhere, You just haven’t been listening”. That was pure contempt for the zombies.

  44. leslie – my O loving uncle who prides himself on being politically
    aware asked me why I couldn’t join the team now that the election
    was over. I started my list: Mich, Florida, FISA, campaign finance…
    He then asked me “what is FISA”
    I had to leave the room.

  45. Leslie,

    Obama will get us involved in more wars–I’m convinced of it. The violence in the Middle East is gearing up in preparation for his ascension to Emperor. Wait until he reinstates the draft. Then we’ll hear howling form the Orange precints.

  46. SHV ~
    Not only was what obama said (re:moving right) “pure contempt for the zombies”, it was one of the few truths he spoke during the campaigns for the hearts and minds of the faithful and the hopeful. They, however, failed to hear it.

  47. plural, on December 28th, 2008 at 10:16 am Said:

    Mr. McCarthy omits the role of Bob Dole, Sam Nunn, and Colin Powell in blocking Bill Clinton from being able to keep his promises on gays in the military
    ******************
    Bill made the mistake of saying what he believed, without understanding the problem. I think Bill assumed that he could repeat the example of Truman issuing an exec. order to end segregation in the military. The problem was that Homosexuality was illegal under the UMCJ and only Congress could change it. Powell, especially, went out of his way to back-stab Clinton.

  48. Obama had no trouble throwing Rev. Wright and his church of 20 years under the bus, but when it comes to right wingers like McClurkin and Warren, he stands up for them, no matter how much abuse he gets. It’s obvious that he welcomes attacks from the liberal side and doesn’t want to piss off the right.

    We have to face the fact that there is no longer a Democratic Party. No matter which bunch of criminals is in control, we are a one-party state with a unitary executive with unlimited spying and police powers and a legislature that won’t stand up to him. That used to be called a dictatorship before it happened here.

  49. Regarding the Israel/ Palestinian conflict : I am wondering if it is time UN Peacekeepers moved into the area. Have they ever been there before?
    And I’m sorry for going OT… but it seems like this
    conflict is escalating really fast.

  50. BB ~
    I agree with your notion that TehOne will get us involved in even more wars. But he will have Hillary to blame – never himself.
    I say this not because I worship Hillary, but because we have already seen him distancing himself (or working out to build himself a formidably beautiful set of abs) from the real learning that must take place – every day – if one is to be a true leader.

    Maybe I’m letting my disdain for the one show. I can hardly stand to think about where we might be in one year, let alone four.

  51. For good sources of info on the latest Israel/Hamas crisis, this source seems to be covering it 24/7.

    Link

    Israel looks like it might actually invade the Gaza strip to try to wipe out Hamas. Hamas is saying “bring it on.”

    And Bush is doing nothing but finger-pointing. AAAARRRGGGGHHHH

  52. To think, I used to take Frank Rich’s entertainment reviews seriously!!!

    A “faint tinge of George Bush”???? What, did he get back late from intermission???

    What a complete a-hole!!!!

    Wonder how he likes having antibiotics back in his food? Does he believe Daschle will change it??? “Pressure” got the rule changed back…

    The Past Week(s): December 14-27, Recaps and Random Thoughts (”Heart” Series; Betty Currie Returns; “Money as Debt”; FDA Caves to Pressure, Antibiotics Back IN Food Animals as of 11/30)

    The Past Week(s): December 14-27, Recaps and Random Thoughts (“Heart” Series; Betty Currie Returns; “Money as Debt”; FDA Caves to Pressure, Antibiotics Back IN Food Animals as of 11/30)

  53. madamab,
    Bush’s abyssmal handling of the middle east has set us up for this– as you mentioned. I have the same reaction as you.
    And Obama coming in is not comforting.
    I am hoping the international community can do something before the fissure deepens and loyalties are carved into rock and all hell breaks loose.

  54. madamab, on December 28th, 2008 at 11:15 am Said:

    For good sources of info on the latest Israel/Hamas crisis, this source seems to be covering it 24/7.
    ************
    Getting less exposure but potentially more serious is the Indian troop build up on the Pakistani boarder.

  55. I just found an interesting article from 2006) on what Dean did to change the Dem Party since 2004.
    (If you read down there’s also a nice bit on Rahm Emanuel)

    What Dean seemed to be creating was a multilevel field organization modeled after the political machines of the 20th century rather than a new party that fostered direct communication between local activists and their leaders in Washington.

    “That would be true if we thought we had to be centralized,” Dean replied, raising an index finger. In fact, he went on, the Democratic Party needed to be decentralized, so that grass-roots Democrats built relationships with their state parties but had little to do with Washington at all. “State parties are not the intermediaries,” he said. “If I get them trained right, they’re the principals.”

    In other words, I suggested, he was talking about “devolving” the national Democratic Party, in the same way that Reagan and other conservative ideologues had always talked about devolving the federal government and returning power to the states. “That’s what I want to do,” Dean said firmly.

    This struck me as a radical idea, and one that went to the heart of what Howard Dean is really thinking. Now that Dean has wrested control of the national party, his real agenda, it seems, is to radically reduce its relevance, in the same way that Grover Norquist and his crowd of conservative activists talk about “starving the beast” of the federal government they now control. Once you understand that, it’s easy to understand why Dean isn’t troubled by having less cash in the bank than people think he should, and why he isn’t concerned about quantifying the success of the state parties he’s financing.

    http://tinyurl.com/8yctwe

  56. SHV (re: 10:55 am),
    I’m not one to defend Obama (ever) but I don’t think he was displaying pure contempt for the zombies. I think we call them zombies for a reason. They weren’t listening. We were. We knew. We tried to tell them. We still are.

    People were so disgusted with the Bush years and so wanting something new and different and they fell for it. We saw that it was not new and different–just the same old shit in a different wrapper.

    The corporate media told them what they wanted to hear. They never once stopped to wonder how every important media outlet could have exactly the same story, same slant, and nearly identical words. Of course, most do not listen or watch or read more than one media outlet, so they didn’t see the pattern. The NPR crowd pisses me off the most, because they really think they get the *real* news.

  57. Madamab, just saw your 11:15 post.
    I will go check it out.

  58. angelasmith – It looks like Russia is telling Israel to stop bombing the Gaza Strip, Bush and Abbas are telling Hamas to stop bombing Israel, and the Arab League is going to meet on January 2nd, at which time they will possibly take Hamas’ side.

    It’s all very scary, since the grievances of many terrorist groups have their basis in this decades-old conflict, which Bush has only made much, much worse by invading Iraq and empowering Iran. He is the only U.S. President in years who has made no serious efforts to broker peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

  59. bostonboomer, on December 28th, 2008 at 11:04 am Said:

    We have to face the fact that there is no longer a Democratic Party. No matter which bunch of criminals is in control, we are a one-party state with a unitary executive with unlimited spying and police powers and a legislature that won’t stand up to him. That used to be called a dictatorship before it happened here.
    *******************
    Donna Brazile:
    ” It’s time someone limits some pundits’ ability to bloviate on issues they know nothing about.”
    http://sec.online.wsj.com/article/SB123033735965236411.htm

    If Donna and the rest of the ‘bots have their way, RD and the rest of us will be having a party behind a wire fence.

  60. SHV: But isn’t Donna Brazile a bloviating pundit herself?

  61. SHV:
    I can’t link to the article…

  62. One of my friends described a classmate who had graduated from an ivy league school, won numerous writing awards, and was published in national magazines. My friend thought she was a complete idiot who seemed like someone who had spent a year reading a dictionary cover to cover so she was able to use big words to make her writing appear sophisticated and intellectual at first glance but lacked common sense or intelligence to have a significant contribution to the literary world or society. I’ve met her and I can say that my friend’s assessment was correct.

    I think I could also say the same about the NYT columnists minus Paul Krugman. Rich, Herbert, and Dowd might have received A’s in grammar and English classes but they lack the morals, integrity, common sense, or real world knowledge to write anything more than elitist drivel that lacks truth or sincerity. It makes me mad that they receive so much money and prestige for their writing.

  63. bostonboomer wrote: “We have to face the fact that there is no longer a Democratic Party. No matter which bunch of criminals is in control, we are a one-party state with a unitary executive with unlimited spying and police powers and a legislature that won’t stand up to him. That used to be called a dictatorship before it happened here.”

    This made me think: The Democratic party is screwed. The new members Obama converted to replace all those loyal Democrats who are now under the bus – they’re not interested if it’s not about Obama. So truly that leaves Republicans in control. Didn’t Karl Rove have a dream of a Republican majority? Perhaps that’s why he was shelling for Obama. He saw the Democratic party being split right down the middle. And all he could see – was an actual Republican majority looking through!

  64. Hey everyone – two new posts up – Taggles and I posted at the same time!

    Enjoy!!!

  65. A few items, friends:

    1. Agreed, a post on what is going on in between Palestine and Israel is needed. Not sure I’m the best person to write it. I said a bit about the matter on a thread yesterday when the news first broke.

    2. Nobody likes to admit they were wrong – which is why your friends and family who are unthinkingly still in their complete Obama reveries are the way they were. It would be interesting to see what they were they Obama himself to squarely say he has made a mistake, pure and simple – that is, has done something wrong and try to do something about it.

    Would they just fall all over themselves saying he’s wonderful for simply doing the decent thing? Would they say he’s a victim, being forced to change his mind? Both I’m sure. But the man has the people in the grips of a cult of personality – maybe they would, at some level, learn about self-correction.

  66. bo would risk and lose much more by disinviting Rick Warren now than he would by just keeping and making his ineffective apology , but he would never bring someone else up and let them BOTH share it ….because he is too scared to risk even that .
    I know this mjght sound silly in comparison , but when I graduated from LPN School in Baltimore , we had two people who were candidates for Valedictorian , myself and a AA woman who had come thru shcool with great grades AND she had five kids . We were friends ; she didnt want me not to have it because my grades were a bit better, So I suggested we SPLIT And SHARE the VALEDICTORIAN SPEECH and give it together with both of us standing at the podium . The class, which was almost exactly half AA and half caucasian , voted on it and that is what we did .
    We had a beautiful and solemn ceremony with caps, red roses, and carrying lamps ( ala Florence) .
    We had never spoken in front of hundreds of people before but I have to say we did great !!!
    If Licensed Practical Nurses can figure this out in 1977, this asshat cannot figure it out now??

  67. UHOH am in moderation and as usual have no clew

  68. OK, now there’s just one more new post…it’s a new play!

  69. SHV,

    That WSJ link doesn’t work. Do you have another one?

  70. Why would Obama rescind the invitation? It’s having exactly the effect he wants – that of keeping the right-wing evangelical side quieted down.

    I found this quote interesting:

    “It’s bizarre that Obama, of all people, would allow himself to be on the wrong side of this history.”

    Obama constantly played the deceptive side in his campaign against Hillary – the man is simply unfazed by his complete lack of ethics. It’s not bizarre at all; it’s very fitting.

  71. China was weighed in now. It calls for an end to the
    hostilities.

  72. If Pakistan and India are on opposite sides of the
    Israel/Palestinian conflict, it could get really harrowing.

  73. Okay, India has called for a stop of Israel’s use of force.
    Pakistan will no doubt have a similar position.

    So.. at least no more fuel to the fire between India and Pakistan. whew.

  74. swanspirit, on December 28th, 2008 at 11:48 am Said:

    Your example is spot on. At recent graduation ceremonies at Georgetown Law, a joint invocation has been given, co-written by an Imam and a Rabbi. These have been among the most powerful invocations I have heard (and I am especially in mind of them because of the Pakistan/India; Palestinian/Israel conflicts).

  75. angelasmith: at the risk of annoying everyone, the usual worldwide pattern is shaping up. With the exception of the U.S., every other country will condemn Israel’s self defense. There was a sort of ceasefire between Hamas (an organization still dedicated to the eradication of Israel – eradication! – Israel, which Hamas deviated from immediately upon the scheduled end date. For weeks Hamas has been firing rockets into Israel and Israel has delivered warning after warning that if Hamas did not cease and desist, Israel would respond. It has. But we live in an anti-Israel, anti-Semitic international world, so instead of Israel being seen as doing what any sovereign state would do if a group dedicated to its eradication consistently bombed it, China, Russia, Pakistan, India, etc. etc. will blame the victim, and complain about Israel’s behavior. Ok. Enough from me on this topic.

  76. myiq2xu, on December 28th, 2008 at 10:30 am Said:

    Would certainly seem so.

  77. Something that shouldn’t be lost upon us is that we have waited for 20 months or so for the Lightbringer to finally make a decision that wasn’t a reaction to an issue framed by circumstances or others. Rev. Rick praying over the nation was that first decision. The stark reality for Obanauts is that the swill of campaign rhetoric and reality is going to leave a bitter after taste.

  78. Heidi Li, a JOINT invocation to bo would probably mean they smoked pot

    .. sorry that was SO BAD , I am often guitly of unbearable corn … but

    Seriously, what is so difficult about that?? To me a joint invocation would be truly progressive , as it is he is just pandering with prayer …

    Personally I find all of the prayer for profit people repugnant , I think bo missed his calling and that should have been his chosen field , which tells you what I really think of him LOL

  79. He’s going to have a diversity of musical contributions — why not have a diverse invocation? That’s a really good idea.

  80. and btw … Bo spent 20 years in a church that published the HAMAS manifesto in their church bulletin a fact that the media mongrels did not disseminate widely ………..
    now there is some good judgement …….

  81. plural – That’s why his claim of “all sides of the faith conversation” is bullshit. There’s a rightwing evangelical and a left-wing evangelical. C’est tout.

    What, you mean some people aren’t Christian? OMG! Who knew?!

  82. To end the year, I think The Confluence and Heidi Li should go rummaging in their archives because a lot of what we all said back in January and February about Obama, while half of the party including Rich drunk the kool-aid, turned out to be true. I went over to No Quarter and Susanunpc posted something from their archives from December 2007 back when Heidi Li and all of us already saw Obama as an empty suit http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/28/reprised-obamas-blunders-tell-me-hes-a-naive-neophyte/

  83. Israelis and Palestinians seem incapable of handling
    their disputes by themselves. I think it is time the international community took an active role in this
    conflict. And not just by condemning the actions of the parties. I think it is time for intervention. This conflict threatens the security of all of us.

    Even if Israel could somehow eradicate Hammas, those who ally themselves ideologically with the Palestinians are going to become increasing violent.

    I fear for Israel’s safety as well as the civilians on the West Bank. This is playing with fire.

  84. Naganahapin.

    Obama has NEVER exhibited humility and moral leadership, especially if it risks his own political capital. He does not perceive the opportunity.

    You give an excellent analysis of the editorial Heidi. I was actually pleased by it, because I have loathed Rich’s pieces since last January. His CDS and blind Obama devotion was intolerable. He, Dowd & Herbert were my reasons for discontinuing any relationship to the NY Times. To see him admit even a smidgen of doubt about Obama–as a prominent and relentless Obama promoter–reveals to me that there is a crack in the dam.–and there’s Kool Aid behind that wall, not water.

  85. Heidi’s post at NQ elicited a question of how many PUMAs there are. PUMAs are TEN MILLION STRONG.

    In case anyone asks you:

    Who Were Those Clinton-McCain Crossover Voters?

    16 percent of McCain voters said they would have voted for Clinton, the Democrat, if she had been her party’s nominee.

    9.5 million PUMAs voted McCain against Obama.

    130 million voters turned out. 45.7% voted for McCain. 16% of McCain voters wanted to vote for Hillary.

    Some of these may be Republican women who wanted to vote for a woman but this does not include PUMAs such as myself and Heidi who voted for neither, who voted for McKinney, or wrote in Hillary’s name.

    So there are more than 9.5 million PUMAS.

  86. I think we need to differentiate between Hamas and Palestinians in general. Hamas wants to eradicate Israel, not Palestinians; Hamas has located their supply of weapons in residential areas in houses where regular people live. Who would do this to their own people? This is to victimize Palestinians, when Israel retaliates, to stir the anger against Israel, they use their own people as targets. Of course people , countries are outraged by the dimension of Israels retaliation – this is exactly what Hamas wanted. That is why they provoked all of it in the first place. Alas, I don’t have the solution, I wish I did.

  87. “Alas, I don’t have a solution” I wish someone did.

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