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Why Did Salon Care About a Freshman Senator’s Visit to Saddleback Mountain in 2005-2006?

Joan Walsh

Joan Walsh

Heidi Li linked to this story at Salon by Joan Walsh:

“I tried to keep an open mind when Obama began courting Warren three years ago; Salon sent a reporter to cover the popular young Democrat’s first visit to Saddleback Community Church, to talk about its laudable AIDS work, in 2006.”

This raises some questions for Ms. Walsh:

In 2006 Obama was a freshman Senator from Illinois who was not yet a Presidential candidate.  Rick Warren’s church is in California.  So why did Salon send a reporter?  Were you asked to send one, or were you told?

Either way, who made the request/gave the order?

Three years ago was 2005.  Obama had less than a year in office.  He had accomplished nothing.  2006 was an election year but Obama wasn’t on any ballot.  So why did you care about “keeping an open mind?”  How many other freshman Senators got the same attention? 

C’mon Joan, tell us more! 

Why did Salon give a fuck what Obama was doing back then??

81 Responses

  1. How did Joan even know he was going to Saddleback? Who told her?

  2. Probably the same reason Slate ran a Donna Brazile opinion piece subtitled, “Tapping Into the Obama Factor” in Nov., 2004.


    This has been going on for a long time. Remember “Dean’s Dozen,” May, 2004? Obama wasn’t even a US Senator, then.

  3. OH-MY-GOD! Shit..the damned fix was in before the game started.

  4. Cinie:

    Who decided that Obama was a “story?”

    Why did John Kerry make him the keynote speaker in 2004?

  5. How much attention have Claire McCaskill, Jim Webb and Jon Tester got since 2006? They all won close, come-from-behind victories.

    Obama cake-walked into the Senate in 2004.

  6. Since Dean’s Dozen came first, I’d start there, with Democracy For America, formerly Dean For America. In ’05, I think, was when Dean became DeaNC chair and installed his brother, Jim as DFA chair.
    I’ve done a few posts on Dean/Obama, this is the first “meeting” I could find between the 2. August, 2003.

  7. There were two Democratic Senate pick-ups in 2004 – Barack Obama and Ken Salazar of Colorado.

    How come Obama got all the attention??

  8. There’s a also a tinfoil hat theory to be made that HRC knows more about all this than meets the eye. She supposedly had a hand in founding Media Matters and curiously funded (Soros?) Center for American Progress, headed by John Podesta, now running Obie’s transition team, with WJC’s White House secretary at the door. Daschle and Melody Barnes are CAP, too.

  9. Is this when the democratic party sold out America?
    What was the price and who got paid?
    Backtrack was put in place by someone and the democratic party was the tool.
    The Clintons should run not walk away from this bunch now.



  10. Somebody contacted Salon to tell them Obama was going to Saddleback.

    Who was it?

    Warren? Obama? Axelrod?

    Hillary was famous for years before she became a Senator. Did she get that kind of attention? More/less?

    What other freshmen Senator has EVER received that kind of positive attention from the media?

    Obama in 2006 was like some Hollywood celebrities. He was famous for being famous.

  11. Helenk, I’d be thinking it’s we who need to be running away from the Democratic Party.

    I have to wonder if Hillary and Bill had any inkling this shit was going on and if HRC’s decision to run was to try to stop it. (conspiracy theory 101- I know)

    If this is what the party has become, count me out.

  12. With all this crap, will it even be worth voting in 2012, or will we be allowed to?

  13. This was in the comments on the Walsh article:

    Why, what and

    I don’t know why this has happened or what’s going to happen, but wouldn’t it be wonderful to think about what could happen.

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if by inviting the Christian Right over we could show them they’re wrong. Make them (you know) Change? The best way to teach a mind to overcome fear is to make them comfortable working with what they fear.

    I’m not going to say that’s GOING to happen … but there is always Hope.

    I’m going to go puke now. BRB.

  14. I’m with fredster. Certainly at the national level the Democratic Party has gotten ridiculous. Let’s invest our energies in candidates for their own sakes – so, I would urge Virginians to make Terry McAuliffe their next governor because I think he’ll be a great governor, not because he’s Democrat; and where there are Republicans or people from smaller parties let’s consider them on the content of the views. This is the vision of democracy that the founders had – that’s why parties are not given status in the Constitution and indeed why the founders resisted them.

    And let’s face it: if we have learned nothing else this year, Party identification and loyalty from the rank and file means nothing to the Democratic Party. P.E. Obama would rather consort with right-wing pastors and Republicans than actual Dems.

    So find a cause that transcends Party politics but can influence politics and put your energy into it. We are going to need that.

  15. Fredster
    I already left the democratic party after 50 years.
    I am now registered declined to state.
    It was not an easy decision but I can look at myself in the mirror and know I did not put this bunch in office.
    Now the question is how do we get our country back?
    This the biggest threat to out country in my lifetime.
    It is like democracy was taken down without a shot being fired.



  16. Tin foil Thursday (Friday for me).

    Very strange stuff. Why in the heck was the fix in so long ago?

    And who exactly is involved in the fix, beyond the obvious ones we have already figured out. Why would Hillary be involved in the fix?

    Can we just run Heidi for Pres next time?

  17. Heidi Li: This presidential campaign really opened my eyes, having been a life-long Democrat (how many of us have said that during this mess?)

    The Kennedy thing is one of the last straws. She is awarded the New York satrapy because, after all, she’s a Kennedy and has decided she wants it? One of her “qualifications” is she’s a lawyer and a mother? I’ve known some female lawyers who are moms but don’t believe that entitles them to a Senate seat.

    From now on, party label won’t mean squat to me. Although, before this year, in Louisiana we had open primaries so you could vote for whoever you wanted to. But as I say, the label “Democrat” won’t mean squat at this point.

  18. Scrubs, part of me thinks Hillary was aware but wanted to fight the “powers that be”. But, she was ahead at the beginning of the race.

    Possibly, the decision on Barry was to be about 2012 or 16 and then the Clintons pissed some people off and hence all the powers-that-be threw their support to Barry. I dunno. It’s just so weird that he came out of nowhere and got the Presidency.

  19. Say you’ve read all the internal polls and external polls that say you’re too “divisive.” Say you enjoy wielding the power behind the throne, being the strategist, drawing the blueprints. Say you know that even if you were elected you might face the same sort of divisive, volatile political landscape your last “puppet president” faced, the kind that handcuffed you and derailed your plans for effective, large-scale change. What would you do?
    As a story teller, I can see a scenario where you would be comfortable with the “behind the scenes” role. But then, I have stock in Reynold’s Wrap Chapeaus.

  20. Well, gang, I’m not sure we will ever find out if Bill and Hill had a role in getting Obama in as President but I still believe they have our best interests at heart. As a consequence, if they appear to be supporting something, I am absolutely certain that there is an ulterior motive behind it.

    Our country did so well with Bill as Pres. Hillary represents New York splendidly and has continued to fight for women and children over and over and over and over again. Hillary doesn’t just march in gay pride marches, she supports any legislation that progresses our rights.

    Add it all up and I cannot believe that Hill and Bill are doing anything wrong.

    Just sayin’.

  21. Oh scrubs, I don’t think the Clintons did anything “wrong”. I think something changed in all the behind the scenes finagling and she lost the backing of the Party (if she ever had much). I still trust them more than anyone else in power.

    I think after she’s in as S.O.S. something will happen and she’ll leave or be fired. Then the DNC and powers will have removed them from the national scene in politics, but they won’t go away entirely.

  22. Oh well… nite all.

  23. Fredster, BO’s big line was his speech against the Iraq war. This proved that he had foresight, superior intelligence and moral judgement-even without experience.

    Another argument which would have been lost by 2012, was his apparent youth. The silicon valley idea, being that experience is unnecessary, intuition and intelligence and knowing how to grab the right moment being all. Fine for 20 year old whizzes, but he was 47, over 50 if he waited.

    Besides which he would have lost his good looks, and the weight of the move-on and other anti-war organisations.

    I feel that when Hillary cried before New Hampshire, she was crying for a reason-I think she had been led on by the powers-that-be, and now knew what was happening.
    Her body language when accepting SOS was not happy.

  24. Nite, Fredster.

    In case you missed it in the earlier thread:


    Very poignant piece about Betty, done by Brad – I felt her pain and her anger about Hillary quitting when she did.

  25. Laurie – I think Hillary is beyond the need to feel happy about her country anymore (like us). I think she saw SoS as an absolute necessity – that someone with the right credentials needed to be in that position and that she was one of those someones.

  26. God I watched that video and started crying-I think we’re all crying.

  27. Laurie – I haven’t cried about Hillary in nearly 2 weeks but that video brought it back for me.

    Go over to Gary’s blog for the Fuck You Obama, part 2, post – he expresses my anger over gays being dorked by BO so well. Check out some of the comments, too.

    It is still so raw for me. I wonder sometimes if other PUMAs have moved ahead more than I have.

  28. I think some PUMAs have moved ahead (a little), but the whole thing seeming to be one great conspiracy theory makes it extremely difficult.

    Anyway I shall go catch up on the threads now.

  29. Yet another conspiracy theory:


  30. This whole thing has been a fix from the get go. If you read between the lines in Donna Brazile’s 2006 essay, it was obvious.

    The goal was to transform the Democratic party into, yet another, evangelical party. Only one that leans left on CERTAIN social issues.

    Not all social issues matter to the new Dems. Women’s equality is under the bus. So are gay rights.

    Simple as that.

  31. Ooops… that is supposed to say Donna’s 2004 essay. The one she published right after Kerry’s loss.


  32. I saw that the cheating was in after it was reported in the caucuses. I was stunned to find out that the Democratic Party gamed our votes in some states by awarding more delegates per vote if you lived in a large city, e.g. the Philadelphia area. That was decided in 2005 I believe. Yes, the fix was in and well calculated.

    I am concerned about when or whether a collective voice from the American people will make a difference in our governance.

  33. Wow! 3 years ago! And I thought myself smart for thinking something was in place this summer when he arranged the debate there.
    here’s how the sausage is made in installing an even more inexperienced, more reluctant brat

  34. Ok so wwe now have proof that everyone who supported Obama since the Primary is an A$$hat!

    I am so glad that is no established!

  35. Purplefinn
    Actually, counting more delegates pr vote was a rule put in place after Jesse Jackson’s run. Some more Obama specific protection rules were added this year to be sure, but “blacks’ votes are worth more than whites'” came in after Jesse’s run.

  36. edgeoforever, thanks for the information. Where should I look to find out more about this?

  37. edgeoforever, “protection” rules? Or “advantage” rules?

  38. Laurie
    The SOS gambit was part of the Kennedy plan to take back the family throne – NY senate. First ted kicks her of the healthcare panel, then she gets the offer, now the Princess gets installed on the seat that’s not even vacated yet

  39. I read it somewhere during the campaign. I’ll try googling it.

  40. Found something

    Michael Dukakis four years later, when he led negotiations with representatives of the Rev. Jesse Jackson over a new apportionment formula.

  41. Not only that but one of Salon’s “reporters” Rebecca Traister, called me while I was in Denver to get interviews with the PUMAs. I told her we were heading out the door to a protest near the NBC kiosk near the train station and that she should meet us there. So, I went down to the kiosk for the protest and looked for her. Never saw her. Didn’t seen any Rebecca Traisterish woman talking to anyone or taking notes like all of the rest of the reporters were doing. NEVER. SAW. HER. TALK. TO. A. SINGLE. PUMA.
    The next thing I know, Traister writes some nasty little piece about bitter old women who are PUMAs.
    I’m sorry, did she talk to me? To Jesse? To Anna Belle? To Murphy? We are hardly bitter old women. Pissed me off majorly. I couldn’t stand Salon after that. They chugged the Kool-Ade.

  42. fuzzybeargville, on December 19th, 2008 at 7:04 am Said:

    Ok so wwe now have proof that everyone who supported Obama since the Primary is an A$$hat!

    I am so glad that is no established!

    I say everyone who supported Obama since the Primary are sexist pigs. But A$$hat works as well!

  43. And clearly since Uncle Teddy found out about his illness he started scrambling to insure that a Kennedy would still be in the Senate – someone asked yesterday if it’s there intention that CK run for Pres. Good grief! 😯

  44. edgeoforever, thanks for the links. I looked as well. I’m still not finding exactly what I’m looking for. I will be watching the “changes the DNC makes for future elections. Not that I will necessarily be voting in the Democratic primary.

  45. Stray Yellar Dawg, on December 19th, 2008 at 6:33 am Said:

    I agree wholeheartedly with what you wrote.

  46. Good catch, myiq2xu.

  47. SOD: Well, if by equality you mean something other than the right to marry and have your family and assets protected and no discrimination due to your sexual preference, then yah! He’s like the fricking Mahatma Gandhi of the untouchable GLBT community. Didn’t you grasp that during the campaign when he brought that Donnie McClurkin guy with him to events? All gay people deserve to be rehabilitated. That way they will be equal. Voile!
    What’s really unbelievable is that so many in the GLBT community saw the proof of his betrayal staring them right in the face and they didn’t fucking care as long as they got Change!
    Hillary would have had their back because she was willing to take on the media and win. Obama made a pact with the media so he could get their support. But there were strings and the gay community is just collateral damage. The last thing Obama needed was for the media to start churning up culture wars. So, he sacrificed them, as we told them he would.

  48. Report From Crook County:

    It has hit the fan. The Sun-Times has outed Rahm and things are getting worse. Obama is a master at not answering questions but the ,Sun Times, is not letting up.

  49. Oh, boo-hoo that Joan Walsh is “disappointed” in Obama.

    Where was Salon when it was clearly visible to all who cared to note it that Obama was the incredible mirror candidate. Look at him and see what “you” want to see. Project your wants and needs and “hope” that he will bring them like fricking Santy Claus.

    The signs were there for anyone that wanted to see. The Progressive Ostrich crowd was too busy being overjoyed with the color if his skin and his “historic” candidacy they weren’t open to seeing anything else.

    They can spare us their whining now. It only underscores what fools they were then.

  50. “The Sun-Times has outed Rahm”

    He’s gay?

  51. myiq,

    That would be an added bonus. The media keeps hitting the snooze button but this won’t go away.

  52. I love the reference to the “Progressive Ostrich” crowd! Big fan of kenoshaMarge who also has a way with words.

  53. Should also add afrocity to that list: “Crook County” indeed!

  54. it’s all kabuki…I think Barry has been in waiting since the 80’s in Colombia. & no MSM journalist writes what they write because they personally believe a word of the contents .They write what they are told to.

    Barry, all his life, is all about sticking it to those who care and then getting a high from the forgiveness he expects. We have seen that over and over since FISA. He does the unforgivable, his followers blink and swallow …and on to the next “disappointment”. Perhaps Rick Warren is a bridge too far? And some might actully hold Barry accountable in the long term? But I’m not holding my breathe

  55. OT, but not really — please do not forget the misogyny that is RAMPANT withing the LGBT community. Gay men — especially the young ones who helped to blow Obama right into the presidency — have no use for women unless we are smartly dressed, well coiffed. and even then gay men expect women to act as accessories, to follow along, laugh at their jokes,, in dulge in superficial “girl talk” — dishing and gossip. Gay men want women only as pretty little dolls.
    Women are the niggers of the world in the gay “community” too. We lesbians are not really part of the “community” — we’re ghettoized doubly as women and as women who love women.

    A gay male “friend” was incensed that I could be excited about Palin after he knew that I’d supported Hillary. He once asked me if all I cared about was getting “something with tits and a twat” into the white house.

    That’s how gay men feel about women. And that’s why it’s OK and acceptable for the media to cover the furor about Rick Warren and ignore our voices speaking out about Jon Favreau.

  56. You just “wait” until after he has been sworn in for those “changes” to take hold. This is their theme.

    Obama reminds me of the perfect date who wines, dines, and dazzles but never calls you again. In my day this was known as being a “heel”.

  57. lots of typos there, sorry. hope you can read between them.

  58. Pat: Also, you forgot to mention that when you get up to go to the bathroom, your date is out in the restaurant macking on other women, collecting phone numbers — oh, and calling the waitperson “sweetie.”

  59. SOD and StauchWoman: LOLOLOL!!!! I needed that laugh today! So true.

  60. I am in moderation, I think because i didn’t properly use asterisks. here it is, abridged:
    OT, but not really — please do not forget the misogyny that is RAMPANT withing the LGBT community. Gay men — especially the young ones who helped to blow Obama right into the presidency — have no use for women unless we are smartly dressed, well coiffed. and even then gay men expect women to act as accessories, to follow along, laugh at their jokes,, in dulge in superficial “girl talk” — dishing and gossip. Gay men want women only as pretty little dolls.
    Women are the ni**ers of the world in the gay “community” too. We lesbians are not really part of the “community” — we’re ghettoized doubly as women and as women who love women.

    A gay male “friend” was incensed that I could be excited about Palin after he knew that I’d supported Hillary. He once asked me if all I cared about was getting “something with t*ts and a tw*t” into the white house.

    That’s how gay men feel about women. And that’s why it’s OK and acceptable for the media to cover the furor about Rick Warren and ignore our voices speaking out about Jon Favreau.

  61. SOD and Stauch,

    And then some months later you realize that you are 4 months pregnant with ignorance. Good luck collecting child support from BO.

  62. afrocity, I gave the Sun-Times a few Google hits to help emphasize the story. Thanks for the tip. This is why Axelrod was stuttering when trying to dodge questions about this.

  63. I do agree that the fix has been in for a while – certainly
    since that 2004 convention speech.

    I still remember the moment Obie was introduced. i had a
    chilling feeling – because I was already looking forward to
    Hillary as our first female president.(I never liked her Iraq war
    vote – But I still wanted a female Clinton back in the
    White House.)

    There was something that suggested to me at that moment
    that Hil might be pushed out of the way for this unknown guy
    clearly being pushed and whose speech I found pretentious
    and superficial. I didn’t want to hear bipartisan pandering
    after four years of right wing fascism. I wanted to hear
    some spine from Dems. Now four years later O is elected
    and we’re getting nothing but weak bipartisan pandering to
    Repubs. Or, to be more exact, another Repub in black

    I’ve thought a lot about possible reasons for the craziness
    that’s occurred since then. I think it’s a combination of a lot of
    1- Clinton hatred – due to jealousy, perceived “polarizing”
    myth popularized by Repubs and media, buying into right-
    wing talking points and mostly false scandals plus one real
    scandal, ie. Monica; hatred of WOMAN POWER.

    2- Democrats fear of losing again. So they came up with
    this strategy based on African-American solidarity as a voting
    block that had many Evangelicals who could defect to Repubs.
    They probably believe Dems would disappear without black
    contingent. Is this true? I don’t know statistics.
    And what better to combat “first woman pres” than with
    first black pres. It worked, too.

    3-Something even more sinister? Such as control of
    both parties by lobbies and moneyed interests who won’t
    ever allow again a president who stands up to them – even
    mildly. Like Hillary did pushing for Universal Health Care.
    And it worked perfectly when you include stealing the
    Which still leaves many more questions about why this
    fix. But my head is hurting.
    But I don’t think the Clintons were part of it or even were
    aware of it at the beginning. It was directed at them – both.
    And it was too big for them to stop.

  64. Clinton hated is based on the fact they give a damn about the lower financial orders. They want them to have health care and a way to make a living. For the Upper Crust, which own the media, this puts them WAY beyond the pale .

  65. If Hill had any part of a let’s get Barry elected scheme, she would have dropped out in Feb. and not fought so hard. But she didn’t drop out . IMO, Hillary was the first PUMA, it just wasn’t called that then .

  66. speaktruth, all of the above!

  67. I heard that Blago will give a press conference at 3PM EST.

    Let’s see what “Transparency Boy” Obama has to say after that.

  68. I think that Hillary might have found out about the fix in Feb but still believed she could win. The moment she realized just how far they(Pelosi, Dean and gang) were willing to get Obama the nomination was on 31st May. Her campaign was very quiet after that. BC didn’t say anything. That was also the same day I realized just how much they hated her. Stealing four delegates and giving them to someone else says it all.

  69. I wonder if Hillary knew what they were up to all along.
    I really do.

    I read where Brazile used the Rove strategy, once. She got cozy with him — to learn. I just tried to find the link and it’s gone — but…

    He is very divisive with the Warren move. Very. That Salon piece was just the start. But just imagine how many audacious books can be sold over at Warren’s place. It’s just so all about the sales aspect of things.

  70. I have been doing a little research on articles saved on my hard disk.

    In 1988, Obama enrolled in Harvard Law School. There he served as the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review and was a member of the Executive Board of the Black Law Students Association. He graduated Magna Cum Laude. (However it seems that he never wrote an article for the Review, and that his thesis was 25 pages long.)
    . We know from Obama’s 1988 “Why Organize?” essay that a long-term goal of his was to politically organize “liberationist” black churches:

    Nowhere is the promise of organizing more apparent than in the traditional black churches. Possessing tremendous financial resources, membership, and-most important-values and biblical traditions that call for empowerment and liberation, the black church is clearly a slumbering giant in the political and economic landscape of cities like Chicago.

    It seems that by 2005 he was definitely extending outreach to other evangelical churches in California.

  71. The paragraphs after BUT are from an article written in the 90s.

  72. vbonnaire-one of the conspiracy links I posted upthread is on Rove-Obama-the city edition one.

  73. From the New Statesman:

    The Clinton camp argues that the life story of Obama for the electorate has been shaped almost entirely by Obama himself and his Machiavellian strategist David Axelrod (political “consultants” like him are an amoral lot: his past clients include none other than Hillary Clinton herself). They point out that Obama has been Axelrod’s protégé since his Harvard Law School days, well before he published his self-defining memoir Dreams From My Father at the age of just 33. It would be dangerously unprecedented, they are telling the uncommitted super-delegates, for a 46-year-old man who was an unknown, part-time state politician less than four years ago to be catapulted to the Democratic presidential nomination when the electorate still knows so little about him.


  74. This should really have been posted on myiq’s Washington Plunkitt post.
    How to ensure yourself a voter base:

    In 1992, Obama served as Illinois Executive Director of Project Vote!, an effort that added over 100,000 newly registered voters.

    Let’s take a look at a quote from a 2004 article – Case Study: Chicago- The Barack Obama Campaign – written by Toni Foulkes, a Chicago ACORN Leader, which was published in the journal Social Policy. Did we mention that Social Policy recently pulled this particular article from their website, while leaving links to all other articles up?

    “Obama took the case, known as ACORN vs. Edgar (the name of the Republican governor at the time) and we won. Obama then went on to run a voter registration project with Project VOTE in 1992 that made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win the Senate that year. Project VOTE delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5,000 of them).

    Since then, we have invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year, and, as a result, many of our newly developing leaders got to know him before he ever ran for office. Thus it was natural for many of us to be active volunteers in his first campaign for STate Senate and then his failed bid for U.S. Congress in 1996. By the time he ran for U.S. Senate, we were old friends.”

  75. More on his early voter base-from an article found on the Google 2000 stuff.

    1996 article:
    “In 1993, Obama was named by Crain’s Chicago Business as one of “40 under 40” outstanding young leaders in the city of Chicago. He is the recipient of the 1995 Legal Eagle Award from IVI-IPO for his work in bringing Illinois into compliance with the National Voter Registration Act (Motor Vote). His commentaries have been heard on National Public Radio and his memoir, “Dreams of My Father,” was published by Random House in August, 1995.”

    another later article:
    “Using his position at ACORN in 1995, Obama set up the playing field for his election the following year. The Boston Globe reports, “Obama was part of a team of attorneys who represented the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) in a lawsuit against the state of Illinois in 1995 for failing to implement a federal law designed to make it easier for the poor and others to register as voters. A federal court ordered the state to implement the law.” The Globe also notes, “Obama was part of a team of lawyers representing black voters and aldermen that forced Chicago to redraw ward boundaries that the City Council drew up after the 1990 census. They said the boundaries were discriminatory. After an appeals court ruled the map violated the federal Voting Rights Act, attorneys for both sides drew up a new set of ward boundaries.””

    (1996 article)
    Obama works as a civil rights attorney with the firm Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Galland. He specializes in employment discrimination, fair housing and voting rights litigation. He also lectures at the University of Chicago Law School, where he teaches civil rights law and related subjects.

    In addition, Obama serves on the boards of several organizations: including the Chicago Annenberg Center Challenge (Chairman), the Joyce Foundation, the Woods Fund of Chicago, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, the Chicago Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under the Law and Public Allies. He is a member of the Cook County Bar Association”

  76. I wish I could find it but I can’t. I read it somewhere on the web-someone paid for Obama to go to Harvard (paid his fees). It was someone with a strange name-not Soros, but very rich.

  77. Laurie, do you have any recollection of where you saw that O’fees had been paid by another person? That is extra interesting!

  78. Laurie:

    My next post is going to discuss Project Vote and what Obama was doing in the 90’s

  79. SOD:

    I checked it out, and that al-Mansour story is winger bullshit.

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