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Is it Just Me?

Doesn’t it seem like the lefty blogosphere is way more upset about this friend of Obama:

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than they were about this one?:

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Is misogyny more acceptable than homophobia?

175 Responses

  1. Nah. Misogyny and homobigotry are almost one and the same.

    The difference is Hillary is Clinton, and bashing Clinton is the fashionable thing to do these days. Them youngins don’t know any better than to repeat the talking points laid out by the likes of Arianna, et al.

  2. h/t to Melissa McEwan for “homobigot”

  3. thx for this Myiq2xu: i think this shows how aligned the rights of women and GLBT are … it’s about playing whack-a-mole because you’re powerful and you can do it …

  4. if you’re not secure in yourself, you’ll bully who you can and as long as we allow it, it’s going to happen …

    folks kept thinking a black man would recognize this … but the deal is he wants to be powerful and he knows who the least among us are … why not abuse us?

  5. dakinkat:

    They are aligned, but le affaire Favreau went largely unoticed by the Kool-aid sites.

  6. myiq2xu: there’s degrees of ‘oppression’ … it’s like victims have a pyramid scheme … I’ve seen folks do things to latin american workers that they wouldn’t dream of doing to black americans, just like I’ve seen folks do things to women but express outrage about homophobia if they’re part of the culture set … they don’t see the connections that that kind of treatment is unacceptable for E1 … it’s like you can gang up on the group that isn’t ‘in’ at the moment, and it’s not a hate crime …

  7. the left adopts whatever movement is ‘chic’ at the moment

  8. #1. Yep.
    #2 Nope.

  9. the right just is xenophobic, they hate e1 that’s not them

  10. why can’t the left just admit the suffer the same stupidity but they just transfer based on the kewlness factor?

    bigotry is bigotry

  11. Because many of the white men in mainstream media are gay. Andrew Sullivan is a perfect example of a gay Hillary hater. A closeted gay man in the media is Anderson Cooper and I bet there are many others. Men, regardless of whether they are more oppressed because of their race or sexuality, are always higher on the totem pole than any woman who is straight or lesbian. They still run the country from the Hill to the headquarters of MSNBC and CNN. If they don’t get their way you’ll hear about it.

    And I agree that anything done to Hillary Clinton is pretty much accepted as the norm. People don’t even blink when they see stuff like Favreau because it’s expected and it’s not surprising.

  12. I’m gonna go out on a limb here, and say yeah.
    Misogyny is more acceptable than homophobia to the fun and whacky world of Obama slobs.
    The majority of Obama droolers can not even see misogyny. All they did was revel in hating women first with Clinton and then with Palin. We’ve got one sick little society on our hands here.
    Homophobia is less acceptable because it covers hatred of boys. If only women were gay, what ya think the little obama pampers wearing brats would say?
    Just askin.

  13. When Gropegate hit the news, Shakesville did one post a day later, and it was by a “guest.”

    How many posts has Melissa done on RW since yesterday?

    Both controversies concern a symbolic act, not a policy.

    RW will give one prayer. Favreau will be on staff.

  14. mxiq2xu: Thank you for raising this.
    **********

    angelasmith, on December 18th, 2008 at 7:34 pm Said:
    I’m with you.

  15. While hatred of women and hatred of gays/lesbians often intersect, hatred of women and the conduct it leads to are more socially acceptable.

  16. Folks on this thread may find this of interest:
    http://tdg.typepad.com/heidi_lis_potpourri/2008/12/51-percent-continues-to-receive-its-first-round-of-attention-misogyny-gets-expressed-in-a-range-of-w.html

    Why isn’t domestic violence against women presumed to be a hate crime unless proven otherwise?

  17. Sullivan is a typical conservative who hates all things Clinton. It does not help that he is also misogynistic.

    What I don’t understand is how he was able to obtain the soapbox he stands on.

  18. He wants us all come together as one-presumably with Warren doing the sheep herding. What’s the problem, myiq?
    Just because atheists need not apply doesn’t give YOU the right to question his decision to have an evangelical preside at his inauguration. Surely, SURELY, you saw this coming several years ago when Obama pretty much told us that we all had to have a religion in order to be religious.

  19. Just over at TL reading the post about Warren. I followed a link to Kos (didn’t know) and here’s a quote from article there: (I don’t know how to do the quote thingy)

    “The Bush administration today issued a sweeping new regulation that protects a broad range of health care workers — from doctors to janitors — who refuse to participate in providing services that they believe violates their personal, moral or religious beliefs.

    The controversial rule empowers federal health officials to cut off federal funding for any state or local government, hospital, clinic, health plan, doctors’ office or other entity if they do not accommodate employees who exercise their “right of conscience.” It would apply to more than 584,000 health care facilities.

    “Doctors and other health care providers should not be forced to choose between good professional standing and violating their conscience,” Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt said in a statement.

    The regulation, which was issued just in time to take effect in the 30 days before the change of administrations, was sought by conservative groups, abortion opponents and others as necessary to safeguard workers from being fired, disciplined or penalized in other ways.”

    This is the thing Hillary and Patty Murray were working on.

  20. But as with great griefs, there is not a contest between troubling hatreds: hatred of gays and lesbians and hatred of women and hatred of white people or hatred of black people – all these atavistic, stupid hatreds are wretched. Personally, I care now to devote more time and resources to fighting the hatred of women – partly because the institutions we thought would do it have not and seemingly will not; partly because I have never witnessed so much public hatred toward and about women as I have in the past 2 years – and it was not just hatred of Senator Clinton – it was hatred of her supporters, men and women. It was nightmarish.

  21. RD:

    We’re not sheeple

  22. A minor point, but bears some thought. Years ago Sally Gearhart made a good point when she noted that lesbians worked their asses off for gay men and the aids epidemic. Whereas gay men did not reciprocate the loyalty and social awareness by working on women’s (hence doubly lesbian) issues like fair pay for equal work. There is a bad blind spot in our society.

    Women’s issues always pushed down to the bottom of the pot. Always.

  23. p.s.

    Obama, Warren AND Favreau can all get flocked

  24. myiq2zu:
    I just logged on to say exactly this same thing. It’s all over CNN and MSNBC tonight — haven’t checked out FOX yet. of course, the barky apologists are saying that the LGBTQ community should “choose its battles” and that it’s “silly” to get so upset about something like this.

    But yeah. Funny how it’s all front page news. It even inspired The One to another lie: “it’s abundantly clear that I am fiercly supportive of lesbian and gay rights…”

    Oh really?????? To whom is it clear????? Really????

    Yeah, still…nothing at all about the misogynistic nature of his entire campaign. I guess some inequities are more pleasant to address than others.

  25. StauchWoman,
    Wasn’t it Nixon who was always saying “let me make this abundantly clear”. I swear Obama is the love child of Tricky Dick.

  26. angelasmith,
    I love love love sally gearhart. i lived in SF during the whole Harvey Milk episode, and was at city hall the night of the White Riot. Sally Gearhart was very active in public demonstrations. I had the hugest crush on her — although I never met her, really, face to face, in person. Still…thanks for knowing about her, and for bringing her up in this context.

  27. Obama is the worst of Nixon, Carter and Bush all rolled into one.

  28. Stauchwoman,
    Gearhart’s book The Wanderground was a life-changer for me.

  29. Al Franken is within two votes of overtaking Coleman in Minnesota. I watched a little of count today and it was vote to Franken, vote to Franken, vote to Franken – so he is winning quite a bit in his challenges.

  30. angelasmith: yes, what a brilliant woman sally gearhart is.

    barky is the love child of tricky dick and rapper ludacris. no wonder he can’t supply a genuine birth certificate.

  31. StauchWoman,
    yup. he he he.

  32. Ha ha watch Bill O’Reily. The Gay community gave Obama 70% of the vote. Now they are outraged. Obama used them. They should have known better.

  33. Heidi Li, on December 18th, 2008 at 7:42 pm Said:
    Why isn’t domestic violence against women presumed to be a hate crime unless proven otherwise?
    **********
    I was thinking the same thing…the total number of hate crimes directed at every other demographic would only be a small fraction of the hate crimes against women. IIRC, the #1 or #2 cause of death among pregnant women in the US is homicide.

  34. Or as Athena sprung fully armored from Zeus’s head,
    Obama sprung fully annoying from Nixon’s.

  35. Not this lesbian — I am proud that I didn’t vote for him.

    I knew that Pampers was a phony from day one.

  36. The Obama apologists are embarrassing to listen to.

  37. I don’t know why anyone was stupid enough to vote for Obama. Why would women? Why would any LGBT folk? Why would environmentalists after the moron voted for the Cheney bill? Why would anyone with a modicum of common sense vote for Obama the Fake?
    It rivals the riddle of the sphinx. Actually, it beats the riddle of the sphinx out… cause that riddle actually has a reasonable answer.

  38. I can’t believe some of what I have to listen to when I bring up the issue of misogyny. People say: but surely you don’t mean “hatred” of women? As if there isn’t any such cultural phenomenon. It makes me all the more aware of the need for the education in this area.

  39. Heidi Li,
    I’m with you. The emphasis now switches to the women’s issues. There is misogyny laying over us like
    an oil spill on a beach. There is no excuse for this pollution.

  40. Heidi:

    Have you seen this defense yet?:

    “By making this symbolic move, it gives Obama cover with the religious right when he makes pro-LGBT policy moves.”

  41. angelsamith: “like an oil spill on a beach.” canny analogy. nice.

  42. Someone on another blog posted that Salon is saying Obama did not make the pick of Warren:

    From Salon:
    This time, though, the decision to get involved with Saddleback was actually not Obama’s. The Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies, run by the House and Senate, put together the program for the swearing-in ceremony.
    before we as a community hang him out t he dry, at least know he wasn’t responsible for this decision.

    ha! He’s innocent! And the moon is made of cheddar.

  43. CNN is running “feel good” stories about Warren:

    ” Warren himself is working to contain the fallout from his support for California’s Proposition 8. In an interview set to air this week, he denied that his stand against same-sex marriage meant he was homophobic.

    “Of course not. I have always treated them with respect,” he said. “When they come and wanna talk to me, I talk to ’em. When the protesters came, we served them water and doughnuts.”

    Jeebus….What if he had said “I am not a racist, I have always treated “THEM” with respect.

    Reminds me of the days of the Dixiecrat filibusters of civil rights legislation and how those good ‘ol Senators had nothing against THEM.

  44. My gay friend texted me today upset about Rick Warren. He He mentioned a “gay/lesbian time machine”. The machine would allow all gays to go back and not vote for Obama. Too late now fools.

  45. re: making symbolic move — YES I did see that. EXACTLY like the “he’s choosing his team from the center and center right so he can lead from the left without anyone noticing” defense.

  46. afrocity, i have a feeling before too much time has gone by, there will be many people who’d like to get into that time machine.

  47. ““By making this symbolic move, it gives Obama cover with the religious right when he makes pro-LGBT policy moves.”
    ****************
    I thought the SC Gospel tour was supposed to give him cover.

  48. StauchWoman,
    thanks for the compliment.

    What’s your take? Why does our society hate women so much?

  49. “From Salon:
    This time, though, the decision to get involved with Saddleback was actually not Obama’s. The Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies, run by the House and Senate, put together the program for the swearing-in ceremony.
    before we as a community hang him out to dry, at least know he wasn’t responsible for this decision. ”

    (loud scream, banging of head on the wall)
    What the hell IS he responsible for????? God what a lily-livered coward he is!!!!

  50. SHV:

    Apparently he needs lots of cover

  51. myiq2xu, on December 18th, 2008 at 8:14 pm Said:

    I have seen this. It fits with all the other b.s. defenses, e.g. ‘by picking Gates as Sec of Defense, P-E Obama gets cover from right wing hawks when what he’s REALLY going to do is bring about world peace.’

    How about picking progressives and liberals because you want to do progressive and liberal things?

    The inference to the best explanation is Obama chooses reactionaries and conservatives because he is going to do reactionary and conservative things.

  52. StauchWoman, I see that I basically just repeated your point.

  53. The plight of women is bleak in much of the world. It begins and ends with women gaining more power.
    Please read the article in this latest issue.
    The Nation in regard to the Congo. Rape as a weapon of war.
    I could not read the entire article. Parts were too revolting.
    I may go and try again, but we must make real change for the plight of women. We need to reverse history. Can it be done?

  54. Since Obama’s reaching out, maybe he can have a racist give a speech on his big day. He might not agree with him, but we are all one big happy family here in the USA.

  55. myiq2xu, on December 18th, 2008 at 8:14 pm Said:

    HA! Yeah, that’s it. He did it for cover for when he comes ‘out’ in favor of gay marriage. Yeah, right. These fools and their spin…

    He did it for 2012.

    And the sad thing is the gay community will support him then, too. When you’re used to being treated like shat, it comes naturally to accept this crap. Quite like the abused woman syndrome. All oppression sucks.

  56. The Nation Dec 29,2008 issue called Sexual Violence in Congo by Ann Jones.

  57. Come on, myiq2xu, it’s acceptable because it’s Hillary. Oh wait. It was acceptable because Sarah Palin is a Republican and a right wing evangelical. Oh wait.

    Obama is a complete and utter bigot and misogynist who will sell out to the highest bidder and lies about everything.

  58. meileen:

    He isn’t even sworn in and we’re already hearing “wait until his second term”

  59. This is the thanks that those in the gay and Lesbian community get for supporting “Slick Homie?”

    I am so tired of saying…”I told you so!”

    Now all I will say is…” Slick Homie can kiss my nalgas!”…” That is spanish for ass..LOL

  60. Obama is trying to appear as a centrist. McCain is more of a centrist than Obama is. Many voters will experience buyer’s remorse over their feel good vote for Obama.

    I haven’t spoke to one person that has confidence in BO, yet they voted for the guy. The dollar was at an all time low with the Euro, the DOW closed in the hole again. Trouble in India. I guess on January 21st Obama is supposed to walk on water and turn everything around.

  61. well, Warren is a misogynist too … WHERE are the women’s groups expressing outrage? I’ve watched this thing play out on the new tonight and NOT ONE is mentioning his submissive wifie classes!

    Piss me off to the max!

  62. myiq2xu:

    I know. It’s truly frightening. So many excuses, so little time.

    I predict this: Don’t Ask Don’t Tell will be abolished, and the O will get the credit for work that has been on going for YEARS. Heck, even Powell recently came out against it. The gay community will point to that and say, “yes we must” vote obama.

  63. oh, and I know AC he’s not all THAT closeted

  64. when he’s down here he has tons of pretty boys he calls friends in tow, it’s not that mysterious what it’s about

  65. hmmmm. I landed in moderation. Wonder why?

  66. Second try:

    Since Obama’s reaching out, maybe he can have a r@cist give a speech on his big day. He might not agree with him, but we are all one big happy family here in the USA.

  67. angelasmith:
    That’s a tough question. i think it’s not just our country, though, but a pretty universally-held prejudice. I think it’s mostly the boys protecting their own holdings of power and privilege. Remember that even in left movements of the 60s, women were relegated to a subservient, secondary position — i.e., the bearded young men made speeches and made plans and the women made sandwiches; and were required to be available for sex.
    It’s especially maddening in this country, I think, because we “dialogue” ad nauseum these days about the equality of so many other groups, and there is absolutely NO discussion about simultaneously puritanistic/puerile misogyny that is such a deep part of everything. Our very language, the very thoughts we think are all informed by a deep hatred and fear of women’s power.

  68. JoseyJo,
    the international plight of women is nastier than
    can be believed. Women have less rights than toilet paper. Part of the Bosnian hideousity was that in raping women the children would then have the
    ethnicity of the Serbs… the mother was seen as having no input to her own child… even ethnically.
    The ugliest stuff in the human character is spewed out on women and children. And society keeps turning its head over and over and over again. The women are expendable.
    But here, here in the good old US, the same mind set… the same women are expendable occurs. Something makes it okay to destroy women politically.
    To truly attempt to destroy the woman herself to take her out because she’s a threat.
    And what the hell is she such a threat to? I don’t get it.

  69. dakinkat:

    I asked that earlier today – where are NOW, NARAL and/or Gloria Steinem?

  70. TAKE 2, hoping this attempt makes it through:

    myiq2xu:

    I know. It’s truly frightening. So many excuses, so little time.
    I predict this: Don’t Ask Don’t Tell will be abolished, and the O will get the credit for work that has been on going for YEARS. Heck, even Powell recently came out against it. The gay community will point to that and say, “yes we must” vote obama.

  71. Obama says: that’s not the decision I knew.

  72. myiqx2xu: I have NO idea, but it is outrageous! This guy is a misogynist … why is the HRC out there running him up the flag pole of intolerance and there are no women’s rights groups there too? Fuggin’ unbelievable! But then, women’s groups fold the minute they get told to stand in line and wait for EVERYONE else’s rights to go first, and dont’ forget those anti-war movements … EVERYONE before women … that’s been the truth since the declaration of independence was signed … just ask A. Adams

  73. SHV:

    Warren is hatred with a smiling face

  74. The smirking one is back; he just loves fucking people over , and telling them why they should like it while he does it . Along with his marked narcissism , is a distinct cruel streak . His address to objectors was condescending and sarcastic. He disgusts me .

  75. Yes StauchWoman, I agree with what you say.
    And some weird shelacking has gone over the misogyny as Heidi li pointed out… you mention hatred of women and people go, “huh”?
    It is so f-ed up.
    But I still don’t get it. What are people so afraid of in women? I know some of the history of oppression of women. I know some theories of how it started… fear of women being able to bleed and live…
    But, WTF? What exactly are people so despising in women?

  76. JMac: over on gary’s site is a cute cartoon showing Obama denying the Obama he knew in the primary; PERFECT cartoon!

  77. Jmac, on December 18th, 2008 at 8:31 pm Said:
    Obama says: that’s not the decision I knew.

    lol

    It really does infuriate me when he says, “But I also stated, blah blah blah.” He claims to abide by BOTH sides of each issue, and those that want to ‘hope for change’ believe him, even though he is full of contradictions. Sorry – I know I’m preaching to the choir.

  78. meileen,

    The GOP says that it needs to go through Colin cleansing and have a Powell movement.

  79. Dakinkat:

    I guess the women’s rights groups are waiting for permission from their husbands.

  80. I know this is a terrible thing to say, but I hope Obama goes all the way and makes abortion and birth control illegal. That is the only thing that will wake up all the young women who fell for this creep. Believe me the Cheeto crowd will defend even that. Let’s see how the women who voted for Obama feel then.

  81. Warren is trying to build an empire … he might as well be a NAZI

  82. Another pearl of wisdom from Rev. Warren’s Church:

    “Think of marriage as a three-legged stool. The legs are a submissive wife, a loving husband, and Christ. All three legs must be in place for marriage to work as God intended. A wife submitting to an unloving husband is as lopsided as a loving husband sacrificing for a domineering wife.’

  83. Boston,

    They are like battered women in denial.

  84. Angela , the threat is to the status quo, where men can treat women like sex objects, pay them less for more work, and other wise use them for their own advantange , while assuaging their own egos. Unfortunately , that is the cultural norm , and it is almost universal . The men that perpetuate this norm ( because not all men do ) do not even realise the disadvantage to themselves .

  85. bostonboomer:
    this is as “terrible” — i am pretty sure that obama is going to reinstate the draft.

    then i want to see how the wealthy priviliged white college students who thought it was “cool” to support him feel when they have to march off to afghanistan.

    but that’s really too awful to even think about. (my face will freeze that way if I keep it up….)

  86. I wonder if the “True Believers” are busy scrubbing Rick Warren’s sermons from the “net”?

  87. swanspirit, yes. Someone once said “no one ever gave people civil rights. They had to fight for them.”

    On that level I understand. Perceived scare resources threatened by the increase of the pool to which they must be allocated.

    But there’s still something else, isn’t there? The hatred is so practically Baccahnalian (sp). There is something else.

  88. SHV, on December 18th, 2008 at 8:37 pm Said:
    Another pearl of wisdom from Rev. Warren’s Church:

    “Think of marriage as a three-legged stool. The legs are a submissive wife, a loving husband, and Christ. All three legs must be in place for marriage to work as God intended. A wife submitting to an unloving husband is as lopsided as a loving husband sacrificing for a domineering wife.’

    Great, even fictional characters have say over women!

  89. To subjugate women is the norm in many parts of the world.
    Women as property to trade and sell.
    The more “civilized” realms have the same instincts but have learned code for the same sort of subjugation. Groping Hillary is a form of the same rape of women in Congo. Woman as a lesser. Boys will be Boys as they say so easily.
    Done. Write it off. Get over it…
    That’s what we all heard. That’s what we hear.

  90. Warren represents everything that people who wanted real change , hated . So from bo we get the symbol of all that hypocrisy and hatred as the main religious figure at his inauguaration hmmm so what exactly is inapproriate ?? Actually Warren is a perfect chiolce for bo , and represents his two faced shallow hypocrisy quite well .
    ahh the sound of the Screamig of the Cheetos , perhaps we should become accustomed to that sound … we are going to hear lots more of it 🙂

  91. Another thought: yesterday there was a media firestorm about Madoff; today it’s about Warren.

    Could these be bright shiny objects to distract us from Blagojevich/Rezko/Princess & his advisors?

  92. dakinikat, on December 18th, 2008 at 8:42 pm Said:
    ***********
    The sad things is, that crap was written by a women.

    Copyright ©2008 Pastors.com, a ministry of Saddleback Church
    http://legacy.pastors.com/RWMT/article.asp?ID=122&ArtID=3908

  93. The WaPo today did an article on the pig speechwriter – lauding how awesome he is.

    These folks see what they want to see and nothing real or concrete will get in their way.

  94. Obama says “I’m not a liberal” and his supporters think that means he IS a liberal.

    Obama says he’s against gay marriage and his supporters think that means he is an advocate for LGBT rights.

    Obama praises Reagan (who tried to undo the New Deal) and his supporters think he is FDR.

  95. Dakinkat:

    Jeebus is “Lucky Pierre” in a threesome?

  96. But Swanspirit in Obama’s twisted mind inviting Warren IS change. What other Democrat would have invited the guy?

  97. Hasn’t any one yet made a video with someone throwing a shoe at bo ?? I think there should be one before he starts his first and last term 😉

    OK I am being selfish , I just want to see it myself teehhee

  98. StauchWoman said,

    “It’s especially maddening in this country, I think, because we “dialogue” ad nauseum these days about the equality of so many other groups, and there is absolutely NO discussion about simultaneously puritanistic/puerile misogyny that is such a deep part of everything. Our very language, the very thoughts we think are all informed by a deep hatred and fear of women’s power.”

    Yes. There is a deep hatred and fear of women’s power. That’s why I loved the Wanderground so much.
    Women’s language. Where are the feminist writers now?

  99. myiq2xu: nope, he just does one thing in NYC and loves the one your with … elsewhere

  100. Obama will be the most openly Machiavellian leader this country has have ever had. He is already taking the abuses of the office practiced by Bush as a floor, not as a ceiling. it’s only going to get worse. Obama has said, and will continue to say whatever he thinks will be most supportive of his amibtions. He is a man without a conscience and without a soul.

  101. that WHO song always runs in my mind when i think of Obama being the next president

    today the quote is: don’t you know that the hypnotized never lie?

  102. Jmac, on December 18th, 2008 at 8:49 pm Said:
    But Swanspirit in Obama’s twisted mind inviting Warren IS change. What other Democrat would have invited the guy?

    I do not think for one single moment Warren represents change to bo , I think he likes to “stir up shit ” without regard to the consequences, or he has another agenda entirely . My first thought was he wants to the world to conpletely forget Rev Wright , and or ; he wants to distract everyone from Gov Blago , or he is setting up a front to funnel money to churches , and he doesnt mind using right wing evangelical to avoid scrutiny and criticicsm . I do not for one minute ever think anything he does is without a hidden agenda .

  103. Question for Obama from reporter:

    “I’m wondering what went into your decision to choose Rick Warren for this prominent role as you embark on your own presidency at a time when you’re dotting every I and crossing every T to send some important signals?”

    OBAMA: It is no secret (pause) thaaaat I am a fierce advocate for (pause) equality for (pause) gay and lesbian Americans.

    A couple of years ago I was invited to Rick Warren’s church to speak, despite his awareness that I held views that were entirely contrary to his when it came to gay and lesbian rights, when it came to issues like abortion. Nevertheless, I had an opportunity to speak — and that dialogue, I think, is part of what my campaign’s been all about, that we’re not gonna agree on every single issue. But what we have to do is to be able to create an atmosphere where we can disagree without being disagreeable, and then focus on those things that we hold in common as Americans.

  104. Where are the feminist writers now? Probably unpublished, or publishing in small literary magazines. Or being published by academic presses. (but, believe me the Academy is an exact mirror of the misogyny practiced outside of the Academy).

    The money machine isn’t really interested in women’s voices these days.

  105. Is Glenn Beck still employed at CNN after calling Hillary Clinton a “bitch” on the air? Um, yeah, last I heard.

    As for the One, he’s of course just trying to inoculate himself against a right-wing thorn in the side — I think that falls under the heading of “hoodwinking”; although, it’s surely a touch of bamboozle as well.

  106. afrocity: thanks for the full quote. and did you notice the assinine smirk on his face when he said it? reminded me of the look on his face when he brushed hillary off his shoulder.

  107. I interned at a DC public interest org. The AA people were all in one room doing accounting. All the people who worked in anything remotely political were white.
    And just to throw in more bizarre BS, the two Asians who worked there were in a separate room handling computer tech issues. Now this place’s motto was
    “holding power accountable.” So forget about the irony, the thing was in cordoning off everyone who wasn’t 2% grade A white, the people in power were diminishing their own lives by not having the interactions with their co-workers.
    So then I was at International Human Rights Program
    at Oxford and I was talking to a leading attorney in this area–actually one of the founders of the program. And I told him about this non-profit I’d interned at and told him that my experience was made so much richer for spending time with the people they’d cordoned off.
    And that by not treating their co-workers with respect the white folk were diminishing their own lives.
    And this guy, this famous guy, didn’t get it. He was, of course, all about human rights and people being treated with dignity and respect, but he didn’t get the
    point that by not treating others with respect, one diminishes oneself by losing the opportunity to know the other people.
    Well, long story short, it just seems that it is the same with the misogyny. Our society is losing out on the enrichment it could have by women being equals in
    it. People are losing out by not loving women.
    And again, I just don’t think they get it.

  108. StauchWoman, how could anyone miss that smirk , it is his I am talking out of both sides of my mouth and selling you snake oil and getting away with it; and enjoying how stupid you are while I am diong it , smirk . What a scumbucket .

  109. I think Obama’s agenda is to change the Democratic party. That’s why I didn’t vote for him. We had been the party of separation of church and state – no longer. We had been the party who fought for minorities (gays included) – no longer. I think he will push for vouchers. I think he will be as conservative as Alito/Roberts on business.

    I loved the Bill Clinton party – responsible on fiscal issues, liberal on social issues.

    I don’t think that is where the party will be under Obama. That is his “change”.

  110. ANN CURRY: Are you homophobic?

    WARREN: Of course not. I’ve always treated them with respect. When they come and want to talk to me, I talk to them. When the protesters came, we served them water and doughnuts.

  111. Jmac: I agree with you, and I also say — if Obama’s agenda is to change the Democratic party, he can start posing for photo-ops in front of a banner that says “Mission Accomplished”.
    The party has been violently and obscenely changed.
    We have become what we once fought against.

  112. afrocity, is that a real quote or are you having fun?
    But, I think it’s traditional to give political prisoners bread and water. Donuts is breaking with tradition, ain’t it?

  113. Hillary Is 44 hits the nail on the head once again. Damn, I really want to know who the writers are! They’re good and have a good memory of everything that has happened this year. They have a new post up on Obama betraying gays and the hypocrisy of the Democratic Left and gay leaders:
    http://www.hillaryis44.org

  114. Angela,

    That is real quote.

  115. Perhaps for those in the LGBT community who were stupid enough to vote for Obama we can put out an
    “Idiot’s Guide to Homophobia”
    and for those whacky gals who thought he wouldn’t be the sexist twit he so obviously is, the
    “Idiot’s Guide to Misogyny.”

  116. that’s a real quote: isn’t that pathetic?

  117. coffee and doughnuts is the new gruel and water

  118. afrocity,
    unbelievable and sadly believable.

  119. swanspirit, on December 18th, 2008 at 8:55 pm Said:
    I do not think for one single moment Warren represents change to bo , I think he likes to “stir up shit ” without regard to the consequences…
    ****************
    He is like a teenage boy with ODD…It’s no fun sticking “it” to people who don’t like you…..sticking it to your “friends” is the most “fun”. This has been a repeated pattern for Obama.

  120. dakinikat, on December 18th, 2008 at 9:13 pm Said:
    that’s a real quote: isn’t that pathetic?
    *********
    I just love the “Them”…. as in “some of my best friends are “Thems”.”

  121. This from New Republic:

    .. It is in Obama’s interest to peel as many moderate evangelicals away from the GOP as he can. Giving Warren such a prominent (but purely symbolic) place in the inauguration is a political move . .
    ———————–
    Who can possible consider Warren a “moderate evangelical”? And why do we need to “peel evangelicals” from the GOP. The GOP can have them.

  122. SHV: yes, I love the “they” and “them” too. When one eliminates the individualtiy of each human being in the oppressed group, one opens the door wide to fascism.

  123. SHV: as long as they stay in san francisco designing clothes and doing arty farty things … they know their place, right?

    just don’t let them marry or try to hang around OUR neighborhoods …

  124. OT, Sorry
    From Savage Politics
    2. The pro-amnesty racist group La Raza has managed to slip one of it’s own into the Obama staff at the White House. Cecilia Muñoz, Senior Vice President of La Raza has been appointed to the intergovernmental affairs position in the Obama White House. This is on top of the recent appointment of pro-amnesty for illegal aliens Bill Richardson as the Commerce Secretary. Anyone who didn’t see all these pro-amnesty people being appointed into the Obama administration simply haven’t been paying attention.

  125. bo is running for re-election already , it is all he knows how to do ……..

  126. If God wanted me to be subservient he shouldn’t have given me my own mind. I adore my husband but there is no way in God’s creation that he has dominion over me. We have an equal partnership and are free to disagree with each other(and do so often enough). As a matter of fact because I am type A and I am the one who has to deal with the day to day household I generally get my way in regards to how the household is run.

  127. yes, and speaking of “Them” and “They”:

    remember the “they” who bitterly cling to “their” guns and religion?

  128. Ah, yes. Them.

  129. that went out too fast — I was going to add — apparently that “they” is who Warren is supposed to bring into the fold.

  130. Is there some good news to report?

  131. They are watching me!

    Oh, wait – this isn’t Tin foil Hat Tuesday

    Nevermind

  132. bo has issues, he is the adult abandoned child of an alcoholic father , and who knows what other issues his mother had. I bet part of Warrens message appeals to him on a certain level , because it represents a rigid, proscribed, rule dominated life that requires little actual thinking . From his youngest age, until he was at least prepubertal; bos male role models came from cultures in which women were absolutely subservient without question . One does not simply shed that type of inner enculturation by expressing different ideas verbally.

  133. Some right-winger has written that Obama is continuing to do what he’s been doing all along:

    Rhetorically moderate, politically Left.

    He must have missed his recent appointments. Obama’s cabinet doesn’t look too left to me.

  134. Water and doughnuts? LOL! I guess they couldn’t spare any coffee.

    Speaking of HIllary. I had CNN on for a few minutes, and they were making a case why Hillary shouldn’t be SOS–because of donors to Bill’s foundation. Good. Then Hillary can keep her Senate seat and Caroline can go back to being a “Great Lady.” I wonder if CNN knows that Hillary hasn’t resigned her seat?

  135. Jmac:

    The moderate Cabinet is cover for his liberal policies!

    (sips Kool-aid)

  136. One doesn’t sit in a church for twenty years and not absorb what is being said either.

  137. “One doesn’t sit in a church for twenty years and not absorb what is being said either.”

    “The One” does. Or did.

  138. there’s a picture in Time magazine of Obama smoking a joint? oy!

  139. bb, the Gov of New York said he would not assign the Senate Seat unitl Hillary had been confirmed as SOS , so at least someone is acting with some decorum and restraint . Caroline is not my favorite Kennedy by a long shot .

  140. and they freaked over Sarah dressing a moose?

  141. ‘Bots continue to “Freep polls” From CNN

    President-elect Barack Obama’s decision to have evangelical pastor Rick Warren deliver the inauguration invocation is:
    Shrewd politics 57% 109054
    Disappointing 43% 81348
    Total Votes: 190402

  142. Where do these myths of Obama-Left and Obama-Progressive come from?

    He’s never been either! In the beginning (remember the early debates?) he said exactly nothing to indicate any policy or belief at all. Since he’s been talking, he’s been nothing but centrist.

    Hillary was/is far more progresive than Obama (and she had facts, figures and a plan to back it up).

    Mostly I think Obama is nothing but nothing. He says anything he needs to say to manipulate the situation toward the way he wants it to go. And he’s not interested in any policy or committments. He’s interested only in his own aggrandizement.

  143. Awww….i miss sarah.

  144. Obama’s nominee for Transportation Sec, Ray La Hood, has no expertise in the transportation field…maybe Obama nominated him because of the voting record on “Gay Rights”.

    http://www.progressivepunch.org/record.jsp?member=IL18&district=18&issue=R8

  145. has their been any more on Louisa?

  146. Obama seems to have sat in church but not inhaled.

  147. SW:

    Obama has some weird super-power control over his followers.

    When he lies, they believe him. When he tells the truth, they don’t.

  148. myiq2xu, on December 18th, 2008 at 9:32 pm Said:
    Jmac:
    The moderate Cabinet is cover for his liberal policies!
    (sips Kool-aid)
    *************
    Another rational is that the cabinet isn’t important..Obama is appointing Liberals where it counts. The “it” is not specified.

  149. Fuzzy:

    I haven’t heard anything since the last post.

    For the short-term, no news is probably good news.

  150. Duh. Homophobia happens to men, and that’s why it’s considered outrageous. Homosexuality is a term that applies to men. Lesbians are not feared, or hated very much, except for a few fundamentalists who just have issues with anyone who isn’t them, a member of their family, or Jesus come to save us all. Lesbians are desired as a tool in male fantasy by and large, whereas homosexual sex is a threat to male fantasy, resulting in homophobia. Of course homophobia is less offensive than misogyny because it happens to men, and men, as we all know very well, are a protected class, even when it is at odds with itself, as is the case with homophobia.

    Th eonly reason homophobia has survived as long as it has is because some male heterosexuals successfully cast homosexual males as women.

  151. Look BOTS Obama IS GEORGE BUSH! dot period THE END!

    As soon as you accept that you can move on from the Anger Denial phase and join the republican party!

  152. Yes.
    And Yes. After all, many non-heteros are men, so we can’t be as mean to them /snark.

    I’ve always thought violence against women WAS a hate crime.

    My loony right-wing BIL was saying his mother, who never married again after getting divorced, must hate men. But somehow his father who never married again was not accused of hating women. What a f-ing screwy double standard.

  153. John Aravosis on Warren:

    That leads to the larger reason I’m so upset with Obama over this decision. I actually trusted the guy. I know, stupid me.
    ———————
    I so wish I had saved the emails this guy sent me. They were so juvenile and so incredibly hateful of Hillary. He came across like a third grader. If I’d saved them, I’d email them back to him every day for 30 days. I should have had them bronzed, then I could mail them to him.

  154. 1.Four 4th graders poison smart girl in murder attempt in Hamburg Germany. They didn’t like that she was smarter than they.
    http://www.thelocal.de/society/20081218-16221.html

  155. donna saying civil rights are only for blacks.
    wall st we got ours screw you.
    bushco the war profiteers got theirs now we can start to end the war and move to Paraquay.
    banks and morgage companies screw the home buyer we will get ours.
    congress as long as we can keep our seats we really don’t have to do anything.
    we can put anybody in a senate seat , they are just there to take up space.
    pick color over country for president , it doesn’t matter
    If anybody really wants to rock the boat and make things better trash them.
    Woman have a brain and can use it along with giving birth to the next generation and that scares the shit out of some men.
    anyone who does not conform is a threat be it gay or female.
    Ithe prejudice t is just more open now and more and more are seeing it
    now that is in the open maybe we can start to end it by not tolerating it

    WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM, AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  156. Women are always at the bottom of every group!! As long as men are gay too, Even gay men will come before women of any sexual orientation. We are the bottom rung of every ladder.

  157. I got this e-mail today from an Obot friend. He and I decided early on not to talk about politics and largely stuck to that pledge through the primaries and the election. He did not vote for Obama only because he didn’t want to leave the house on November 4th (!) and in NYC it didn’t really matter anyway. This is what he wrote today:

    “You were right about Obama. I do not think Hillary was a great choice (for prez) either, but in hindsight we’d probably be better off if she had won the whole thing. Although I didn’t vote for him, I was hopeful that he might actually bring some fresh air to the country. I don’t so much feel duped as just disappointed and kind of pissed off. It’s not just the Warren thing but his appointments haven’t been inspiring…too much status quo. Hillary will be fine as Secy of State – she can’t be any worse than Condi (but…can she play the piano?)…

    Anyway, I wanted to tell you: you’ve been right all along.”

  158. that guy in the top pic w/mr pampers looks like some one familiar I am sure I ran into him at NOLA LGBT Pride in the Phoenix Bar “Play Room”!

  159. Pumainseattle,

    Women are often accused of hating men because men know that they give us plenty of reason to hate them, so they project it.

  160. I am so appalled that violence against women even exsists in America!

  161. I think misogyny is more acceptable in “polite society” than homophobia. (Which is not to say that homophobia is less acceptable across the board.) Remember when Coulter called Edwards a “faggot?” She was torn to shreds by the “polite society” media. But all the things that were said about Hillary and Palin were ok…

  162. or does he look like rosannes husband from the show?

  163. Is there no conlfusians say tonight?

  164. This entire affair gets more bizarre with each passing day. Just as we learned that misogyny is acceptable, but racism is not, we now have this crap. I say it’s time for a poetry bomb.

    NEW THREAD!

  165. I am just sick that someone like Warren, who preaches the submissive wife, is being elevated. We had all of that fakery in the 1950s and we learned that it was wrong and did not work! Look what we have seen in Texas this year — the horrors of forced slavery in a religious camp. Young women forced to marry disgusting old men. Sick. Sick. Sick. It’s all the same cr*p and it is NOT Christianity. It is simply egotistical men trying to have their way with women and it is horrifying tyranny. Out of the frying pan into the fire — from Bush to Obama — how much lower can we go?

    Abigail Adams by family legend is supposed to be one of my ancestors. It could be true since the women in my family have for generations been outspoken. I am sure she is sadly turning over in her grave.

  166. SHV, at 9:41, LaHood also led the impeachment charge against Bill Clinton in the House.

  167. As for the premise of myiq’s post, misogyny and women are laughed at in public by the bigots; gayness is laughed at in private. Sad, but true.

  168. I loved your pict by the way, myiq2xu. It’s a nice shot of Bambi with the imminent dominant backslap, while he is looking straight at the camera. You suppose he actually made contact, or just stuck his hand up there?

    LOL Anna Belle on this:

    “The only reason homophobia has survived as long as it has is because some male heterosexuals successfully cast homosexual males as women.”

  169. And then there’s the case of “Brokeback Mountain.” If you thought Hollywood was so accepting of homosexuality – there’s a reason why “Brokeback” lost to “Crash.”

  170. dakinikat, on December 18th, 2008 at 7:17 pm Said:

    “thx for this Myiq2xu: i think this shows how aligned the rights of women and GLBT are … it’s about playing whack-a-mole because you’re powerful and you can do it …”

    You’d think the rights of women and GLBT were VERY closely aligned aligned, just like you’d think that centuries of women abolitionists and women supporting civil rights would have meant something to the people who called the Clintons racists for speaking truth to the ignorant or those Obamites that crudely told Hillary’s supporters being told “Bros before Hos”

    I’m not amazed at the volume of comments from the LGBT community, but I am sadly disappointed in how few even mention that Warren’s position on abortion and the subservient role he preaches for women in marriage are totally wrong and unacceptable to anyone in favor of human rights.

    I didn’t hear much from the GLBT community about Obama’s speechwriter’s antics. I guess they agreed that was just a silly prank and women were just being overly sensitive. I wonder if they see the parallels in their situation? How long will it take?.

    It is very sad when your “allies” in a movement turn on you. After all, who were women going to vote for? They never saw the same logic applied to them also. If you don’t stand up for human rights for everyone you shouldn’t be surprised when your rights are denied!

    Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) said it very well in another time. The truth rings out still:

    “In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

    And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

    And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

    And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up.”

  171. And for years the Republican party has been casting Democratic men as girly — and that was meant to belittle them. Womanly traits, girly traits, silly traits — that is what they did to us and now the Democratic party has publicly joined in the game.

  172. I disagree, DYB. I saw both flicks, and Crash deserved to win hands down. It was a really unique script, and very well cast. Now, so was Brokeback Mountain, but it’s not very novel in the literary world. Plus there where things about the book that didn’t translate. Crash was almost a perfect script. Just my opinion.

    I know Prioux said she thought it was homophobia, but I think she was misguided, though I completely identify with her frustration with not being recognized. She’s a fantastic author and deserves a much wider audience.

  173. “Now, so was Brokeback Mountain, but it’s not very novel in the literary world. Plus there where things about the book that didn’t translate. ”

    Brokeback Mountain wasn’t a book.

    It was a short story by Annie Proulx in the New Yorker.

    Setting the record straight.

  174. Boys Don’t Cry , with Hillary Swank, was better than both of these flicks!!!!! These days, the left male establishment can only denounce racism. They still sanction sexism and homophobia. But when you put misogyny together with homophobia, as in Boys Don’t Cry, there are powerful message that intersect. But streight men are so threatened by them that they would never credit a piece of work like this!

  175. Is misogyny more acceptable than homophobia?

    Um, yeah.

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