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Wednesday: Blitzing the media

I’m running a bit behind this morning so I’ll make this brief.

I am astonished at the number of persuasive articles that have appeared in the NYTimes over the past couple of days regarding Caroline Kennedy’s interest in the Senate seat.  It’s amazing that there is anyone else that is interested in the seat.  Remember Carolyn Maloney and Kirsten Gillibrand?  The NYTimes doesn’t.

There is a crossover article about Obama’s $10 billion for early childhood education as well.  Caroline’s recent “work” has been for the City of NY in the education department.

None of these articles has been very convincing- to me anyway.  So what if she has a lot of advisors who will help her.  Anyone who dives into a senate seat mid-term is likely to get a lot of advice.  And it’s not necessarily true that she only plans to serve out the end of Hillary’s term.  Incumbancy is worth a lot.

But the number of articles written about Caroline has the familiar feel of a haka.  It’s not as ugly as an Obama haka but the persistent, intense projection of inevitability is unmistakable.  The Kennedy’s and Obama’s campaign is pulling out all of the stops and spending a lot of money in PR over this appointment.  It’s a reward for having helped Obama snag the nomination.  And it comes with Ted Kennedy himself pulling strings if she makes it. I detect the single minded determination of Uncle Teddy to have his way, just like he almost pulled it off in 1980.  This time it will be different.  He won’t be the president but he will definitely be running the show.  When it comes right down to it, the bribery doesn’t feel that much different than JJJr’s for Obama’s seat.  Senator Kennedy is promising massive fundraising and personal attention for New York’s problems.  Was he sitting on New York’s legislative initiatives before?  Did he threaten to if someone other than his niece got or retained the seat?

The question is, who would Lady Caroline serve?  The voters of New York or her uncle?

157 Responses

  1. The amazing part of all this is that suddenly a dynasty is not such a bad thing. Fresh blood is no longer required. We also already know that experience is not required (will train right person).

  2. They got Hillary to sign-off on it too.

  3. The voters of NY have no voice in starting her new career, so why bother?
    On another front of hubris, B0 is now pretending to be Lincoln
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/12/17/i-am-as-humble-as-lincoln-maybe-humbler/

  4. How can Obama be humble when he declares he is all the change our country needs?

  5. Karen: Well isn’t he the person for whom we have waited?

  6. True, Chatblu. This is quite true. I suppose it is possible to be humble to the point of hubris.

  7. I suppose it’s never to early to vomit in the morning…..

  8. This title from Politico says it all:

    “Nepotism Nation: Dems embrace dynasty politics”

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16664.html

  9. I dont know about Caroline but i think the most important thing is that a woman is replacing Hillary. Be it Caroline or someone else.

  10. Hey all – sign the petition. Don’t let Paterson think we Clinton supporters will be okay with Ms. Dynasty.

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/qualifiedwoman/index.html

  11. Time has just declared Obama as their Man of the Year. Big surprise there. They have showcased him on their cover which led me to cancel my subscription months ago.

    Even this morning Joe Scarborough was proclaiming the wonder of Caroline Kennedy. Has this nation lost its collective mind? Lawrence O’Donnell, in response to Mika’s observation that we have no idea what her policies are, stated that Caroline more or less stated those policies through her support of Obama. Hillary has now asked her “supporters” to lay off Caroline.

    My question: just what is going on here? Does no one see the nepotism aside from us? Apparently we need to learn that no one takes us seriously. Our views are archaic and we just need to get with the program.

    Sorry to say but I find I am getting more and more jaded as this year wears out.

  12. Hi everyone. Just coming out of lurking mode to share this video of Scarborough calling out the MSM for not investigating the corruption in Chicago sooner. I’ve posted a link to the video at my blog as well:
    http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=ydpr8zQukU
    This is the weirdest election year ever. I’m actually agreeing with Scarborough?!

  13. PJ – Hillary signed on? That’s shocking. She was dead-set against CK just a week ago.

    I am beginning to think they have something on her.

  14. madamab: That is the latest report. She has asked her “supporters” to back off the criticism. I am so confused these days over the events that keep unfolding. Those “supporters” she is referring to are us.

    My lack of support is due in a large part to the fact that this appointment smacks of out and out nepotism in favor of a person who has never sought election but is expected to have it handed to her simply because of her name. Hillary is beginning to disappoint me all over again.

    I speak out in favor of country. I don’t see this as a good thing in being part of the democratic process. Color me cynical but I am beginning to become more and more disenchanted with the entire lot.

  15. PJ – where are you seeing this? I can’t find anything from her directly on teh Google. Was it an email?

    And is she standing up for Caroline as a person, or advocating for her as a Senate candidate? Those are two different things.

  16. I’m at the point where I’m running low on outrage.

    If they really want CK that bad let them have her.

    It ain’t right, but then again it’s not my state.

  17. madamab: Fox mentioned it this morning on their 8am broadcast. They indicated that Hillary has asked her “supporters” to back off the criticism of Caroline. They did not get into the full context of the statement so I have no idea other than that. In disgust, I tuned into Scarborough who was going on about Caroline’s ability to fund raise. At this point I turned it off.

    Hearing this stuff so early in the morning sets my blood boiling.

  18. yes, Haka, inevitability, CK is going to happen. bank on it.
    is this country really so beaten down by 8 years of dictatorial rule that we view a continuation of the same as “freedom” and “change”?
    I am also amazed at the way MSM might mention, in passing, CK’s complete lack of experience, but they pooh-pooh it and shove it under the rug as one would a dustball when company is at the door. These were the same people who mocked, tortured, humiliated Sarah Palin for what they said was her lack of experience.
    Fascism does not require consistency, but only complete obedience.
    I always knew that what Andre Gregory said in “My Dinner with Andre” was correct: we will need to form an underground, we artists and we who are aware, much as the church didi in the middle ages, in order to preserve any sort of civilization.
    He is the Ostrygoth we have waited for — and he is pillaging the kingdom.

  19. Hillary Clinton is in support of this? Who says Hillary endorses C. Kennedy, the NYT? New York is my state and we don’t want dynesties. Dynesties are Families that win favor from one generation to the next because the are and have been wealthey for generations. . The Clinton’s are NOT a dynesty, the Kennedy’s are!!!!

  20. Having read that article in Politico just starts my engines all over again. I am this close to declaring a total ban on all news from here on in since the propaganda is becoming more than I can bear.

    The Obama worship is just getting out of hand. Not that it was ever under control to begin with.

  21. It’ in the New York Daily News, front page.

    http://www.newyorkdailynews.com

  22. This is totally OT, but this whole recession thing is starting to scare the bejesus outta me. I now have three family members out of work, indefinitely.

  23. Kendall: The statement was that Hillary is asking her supporters to back away from the criticism which may or may not be interpreted as her support in some convoluted way.

    They did not quote her as saying she supports Caroline, just that she is instructing her supporters to stop the criticism of this apparent appointment. Parse it anyway you wish as they did not spend much time on the subject.

  24. (out of no where) My New York Sister has been ranting to anyone who dares call her about the CK thing.

  25. Madamab,

    Politico had an article on Hillary supposedly asking her supporters to lay off yesterday although there wasn’t direct contact. You can find it today at Ben’s blog at 11:09 a.m. yesterday.

  26. My tinfoil hat is sending messages that this election has been thoroughly hijacked in favor of the privileged few. Maintaining dynasties and backing special interests is what this has all come down to and the “ends justifies the means” has been busily at work.

  27. This election had no interest in what is good for the country but what is good for them. Business as usual. Life goes on. Move along folks, nothing to see here. Take your independent marbles and just go home.

    And another thing for the dissenters who refuse to adhere to those admonitions: STFU!!!

  28. “madamb”
    The petition is great & we should encourage all Puma’s to endorse it. When they say “Hillary Supporters” they mean the political ones.
    I guess BO is threatening to with draw his SoS offer or something??
    This is the Primary’s all over again.
    Sometimes I wish Hillary would just “Flip-Them-Off”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Ugh…………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I hate politics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    BTW-Joe S. & Mika are on WABC radio in the NY area @ 10am-12n.

  29. Meanwhile, when the experienced women who worked their way over years of dealing with the politics and representing actual constituents get passed over…there’s this…It will blow your mind if you haven’t seen this..

    Of Robots and Women and Our Current Life in the Village of Stepford (Antidote on the Way?)(A Double Post by kenosha Marge and InsightAnalytical-GRL)

    http://tinyurl.com/697ykk

  30. So, I’m sitting around here in America hearing a lot of criticism of how terrible it is in Greece that people are rioting as a result of police opening fire during a protest of the corruption in the government (some people were throwing rocks so the police opened fire) & the police killing an innocent 15 year old bystander.
    Now, I’m not advocating burning down buildings or rioting but you know what? At least the people of Greece are effing having a reaction to the corruption in the government & excessive force by the police. Greece has a long history of protests — it is the birthplace of democracy — but here in this country we just had a man, abetted by the media, steal the primary & we are watching the NY Senate seat being given as a Christmas gift to a woman who has empty nest syndrome and needs a “mission in her life.” I admire Hillary, but who the eff does she think she is to tell me to “lay off Caroline?” This is STILL America (so far) and I’m going to protest. I’m just surprised & disappointed there are not MORE OF US protesting.

  31. Ok — sorry for the rant — off to court. 🙂

  32. I’m 75 yrs, never in my life have I felt so disillusioned
    with the democratic party, with a democratic president elect and members of my party who serve ME and YOU in Congress.

    And in Hillary too. Was a deal made with Ted and Obama that Caroline would fill Hillary’s seat and H. would be SOS, before the convention?

    Did Hillary double-cross supporters to enhance her career while we were STILL working on the ground for her nomination? I’m confused.

    Where is change? O’s new appointments – Sen. Salazar of CO as Sec. Interior apt. is praised by mining and ranching industries. Gov. Vilisek (Iowa) will be Sec. of Agriculture, he approves genetic engineering of crops.

    Here in AZ democratic gov. Napolitano, who was chosen to head Homeland Security, will be replaced with the AZ republican sec. of state.

    AZ republican controlled state legislature is as radical as any in the deep south. Years of rebuilding the AZ democratic party is now down the drain. And it isn’t as though Napolitano has expert qualifications to head Hom. Sec..

    This is a political payoff. Napolitano abandoned and shunned Hillary (who made many trips to AZ so raise money for our Gov.) at the start of the primary season.

    Nothing makes sense other than our party is most concerned with who can raise big bucks and political payoffs. We now have Chicago politics on a national level.

    If Ted wanted a Kennedy to replace him in the senate he should have groomed Patrick his son who represents Rhode Island in the House, to run for the senate in RI. There have been open opportunities and as Ted has said…. they can raise the money to buy elections.

    By the way Hillary I don’t intend to “back-off” from anything I believe in!!

  33. angie: Amen, sister! I too abhor the violence but at least the Greek government is forced to take a look at the policies they have upheld while the citizenry says “no more”.

    We are witnessing the overthrow of democracy with a substitute oligarchy taking its place. It is enough to turn one’s stomach.

    We can phone, fax, petition until we are blue in the face. The deal is done, set in stone, there is no turning back. A waste of our time in an attempt to make ourselves heard.

    No one is listening.

  34. I like this quote from that Politico article on nepotism:

    “There are three issues behind this trend,” said Bob Edgar, the president of Common Cause and a former Pennsylvania congressman. “Money is issue number one, money is issue number two and money is issue number three.”

    It is such a class issue. Paterson has a chance to pick a woman in the trenches, one without the family money and family name, one who wouldn’t have a chance to buy a seat.

  35. Things that make you go, “Humm”. Was uncle Teddy sitting on legislation Hillary wanted for constituents all this time?
    Is this the reason that she decided to take a chance in the Obama administration?
    Teddy whispered in her ear her career was over because he was going to block anything she proposed?
    How long has the Democratic party upper echelon been planning the coup to remove the Clintons?

  36. I feel as though I have let my granddaughters down. I did not come from money, did not marry into money, have no chance of inheriting money, possess little money as we speak.

    Sorry girls. Your political futures do not exist.

  37. Angie, I’m also disappointed in the lack of protests… I think some Americans already believe our country is a repressive regime and joyfully use their freedom of speech to say so, so they probably don’t see anything out of the ordinary or wrong in this election. “Politics as usual like it’s been for centuries; move along.” These people probably don’t understand what a true dictatorship is like. All of the best protests our country held were done in a time in which people did not expect corruption from the government.

    Then, again, you can also toss in apathy and fear of being labelled racist into the mix. Of course, you can blame it on Obama being a demagogue and people hating Bush to such an extreme degree that they willfully blinded themselves to the corruption on the other side. PUMAs are not blind to Democratic corruption.

    I am with you, Angie. I really wish there were more protests. *sigh* They would be beautiful.

  38. um… may I know why my comment is awaiting moderation? Have I said something wrong or is this a slip-up like with the time I posted links?

  39. I think I am now done with Hillary. How she can fail to support the women that supported her for this princess wanna be senator, I just don’t get it. Hillary needs to come back to reality and smell the corrupt chicago wind and what is really taking place. I am so tired of this whatever Obama wants, Obama gets. Same goes for Kennedy. Can’t anyone see what is happening except for us?

  40. Okay, that post went through… so I am going to repost with it a few edits…

    Angie, I’m also disappointed in the lack of protests… I think some Americans already believe our country is a repressive regime and joyfully use their freedom of speech to say so, so they probably don’t see anything out of the ordinary or wrong in this election. Politics as usual like it’s been for centuries; move along, as the saying goes. These people probably don’t understand what a true dictatorship is like. All of the best protests our country held were done in a time in which people did not expect corruption from the government.

    Then, again, you can also toss in apathy and fear of being labelled racist into the mix. Of course, you can blame it on Obama being a demagogue and people hating Bush to such an extreme degree that they willfully blinded themselves to the corruption on the other side. PUMAs are not blind to Democratic corruption.

    I am with you, Angie. I really wish there were more protests. They would be beautiful.

  41. MrMike: At this point what difference does it make. Deals were made, seats were swapped, money more than likely changed hands. It is we who have been duped, those of us who clung so tightly to the approach that fair play would rule out.

    The voters, especially the Dems, have been taken for a ride. We just failed to see that the forces who rode this tornado were far beyond our control.

    It will take an act of God to change things in the future. If it worked once, it will more than likely work again.

  42. Angie, I am also disappointed in the lack of protests I think some Americans already believe our country is a repressive regime and joyfully use their freedom of speech to say so, so they probably don’t see anything out of the ordinary or wrong in this election. Politics as usual like it’s been for centuries as the saying goes. These people probably do not understand what a true dictatorship is like. All of the best protests our country held were done in a time in which people did not expect corruption from the government.

    Then again you can also toss in apathy and fear of being labelled racist into the mix. you can also blame it on Obama being a demagogue and people hating Bush to such an extreme degree that they willfully blinded themselves to the corruption on the other side. PUMAs are not blind to Democratic corruption.

    I am with you, Angie. I really wish there were more protests. They would be beautiful.

  43. Gah, what is up with my big posts awaiting moderation? All I want to say is I agree with Angie, albeit in bigger paragraphs.

  44. Harry Reid wants Caroline too

    Reid said in an interview on Ralston’s Nevada-based television show “Face-to-Face,” “I’ve spoken to her. She was part of a vetting process for vice presidential choices for Obama. She’s lived in government and politics her whole life. I think it would be a tremendous thing. … We have a lot of stars from New York. Bobby Kennedy. Hillary Clinton. I think Caroline Kennedy would be perfect. ”

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/16/senate.replacement/index.html?section=cnn_latest

  45. I have been imagining how I might have reacted to the idea of Caroline being handed Hillary’s seat if Hillary had won the nomination and election or if Caroline had supported Hillary.

    My opinion would be the same as it is now: that Caroline Kennedy is not qualified for the position and that a qualified individual (preferably a female) with significant legislative or governmental experience should get the seat. My feelings really have nothing to do with Obama and Caroline’s support for him.

    I am also reasonably sure that if Clinton had won, we would not even be discussing this.

  46. I am beginning to feel more and more like a fool. How many times over the past 11 months have we put our thoughts and beliefs out there, expressing our concern and outrage while waiting for someone to speak the truth? How many times have our hopes been shuttled aside while we continued to demand accountability and openness? Too many times to count.

    The disappointments have now taken root. We will never think that way again. Our idealism has been replaced by a form of ideology that must of us shrink from. Better to take off the tinfoil hat and resign ourselves that nothing we say, think, or do will have an effect.

    As empty as this sounds, the writing is on the wall. This is a society that will be governed by a small select group whose only aim is power and control. We are slowly drifting into Third World politics when only the rich can succeed.

  47. So tell me really: how is this different from appointing the spouse of the person moving on? Or some other family member. Eventually she has to run for the office. Of course, by then she will have a track record and incumbency. You got it pat when you said, “the deal is done”. I find myself distanced from the outrage over this latest event. No surprise. You win the brass ring. You get to go on a spree. We need term limits on the congress.

  48. Used to be I had no particularly opinion about Ted K.

    I have come to deeply dislike him.

    Is he really ailing, or is that just part of his bulls–t to get everything he wants for christmas?

  49. Term limits is indeed the only hope we have left but it will never happen in my lifetime. The Kennedy’s, among others. treat the congress as one would treat a business: appointing and anointing their own. They reserve the “right” to pick our leaders while we sit here pretending that we have some role to play.

    Not so. As we have seen, we are now faced with a hand picked president elect whose lack of experience did not resonate because he was protected and pushed by a more than compliant press. No matter how loudly we pushed the questions, the firmer the resolve to pushback.

    I am feeling a sense of defeat today. A sense that “we the people” no longer exist.

  50. Sigh, the What Hillary Said game has begun again. What did Hillary say? Not what did Fox Say Hillary Said or What Did The Times Say Hillary Said. What did she say?

    If she wanted her supporters (i.e., us) to back off, she can say that but she doesn’t need other people to tell us that. She’s got a tongue and a spokeman.

  51. Christal Phillips,

    That was really an excellent video of Scarborough calling out the media for not investigating Chicago politics and Obama, and spending more time at Wasilla Alaska pursuing Sarah Palin.

    I think the point he makes at the end is exactly on point. Mike Barnacle says that he didn’t think that Obama had anything important to do with Blago’s campaign in 2002 because of his “instinct”. Scarborough answers that that is exactly the problem: that no one really investigated Obama and any of his connections because of “instinct” — they were already convinced he was a great guy, so what’s to investigate?

    You are not going to find what you don’t look for.

    How often does the press have to be shown to have missed very important stories before they finally acknowledge they let their biases determine their coverage?

  52. And no I’m not saying she didn’t say it. I’m saying that life is a haka. You can choose to watch and listen or you can put your headphones on and watch reruns of House.

  53. Harry Reid is such a winner. The Democratic party is just flat out star struck and celebrity city centered. They have been out of power just long enough to be drunk with it now. The only comfort I have is the reality that just a few moments ago, this was the Bush world and all the same shenanigans wrapped in evangelical saran wrap and oil money. And look how that worked out. So the mighty crash and along the way we get pummeled with the debris. We need a constitutional amendment that will empower us to propose and promote national legislation directly from the people—the same kind of initiative process that drove the progressive reforms in CA, WI, Mn and others. We need congressional term limits. We need some sunshine laws. We need a revolution.

  54. What these headlines should read is, “Meritocracy taken off ventilator.” The tripe of working hard, being smart, staying late, going early, is good advice unless you aspire to whiff the rarefied air.

    The subtitle of all this is, “Let the big dog have it because he/she is going to get it anyway.” What we have been told is to quit the whining because it doesn’t mean squat and unless you like a flat head stop running into immovable objects.

    If you look at this from a historical perspective, in all of human history there have been but a handful of leadership theories. The earliest was being “born” to leadership — worked fine for the Tudors and the Stuarts. Looks like we have come full circle and the past was indeed prologue.

  55. Reid and Pelosi are two of the worst congressional leaders ever to hold those positions. There have been other ineffective and corrupt leaders but these two share the prize.

  56. FYI, there is no direct statement from Hillary in that NY Daily News article.

    There is this, though:

    Clinton “is not for or against anyone in this process,” the Democrat said. A source close to Kennedy agreed “the criticism of her is not coming from Hillary.”

    It’s just political CYA. Nowhere does Hillary speak directly, or say anything about SUPPORTING Caroline Kennedy. She is staying out of the process.

    I agree that Ted Kennedy is now in charge of the Party. I am positive that the reason she decided to go with the SOS position is that she realized anything she tried to do in the Senate would be pronounced dead in the water by Kennedy and his sycophants. As for future political officeholders, apparently anyone who is not a member of their Royal Family is SOL.

    We are in Obama’s world now, where only celebrity and fundraising ability matter. Hard work, having been so maligned during the Bush years, is now completely out of fashion.

    Do I know if the petition will work? No. But I can’t just sit back and do nothing.

    After the holidays we will get our movement together and figure out how to make an impact. We simply cannot allow this utter hijacking of democracy by the media to occur any longer.

  57. Pat Johnson, on December 17th, 2008 at 10:18 am Said:

    ———————-

    I’m right where you are, Pat. We’re wasting our breath hoping that the Democrats will listen to us or give a snot what we think. The winners are gloating and doing whatever they want.

    I got a Christmas card from a Democratic legislator I knew growing up. I was more friends with her younger sister. I never kept in touch with the older sister, but this year, she felt compelled to send me a card with note telling me that she was a delegate in Denver and will be going to the inauguration and what a privilege it is to be a part of history. I never could stand this woman. She has always been tasteless and crass. This is the first year she decided to send me a Christmas card. Lucky me.

  58. Re Reid quote: “She’s lived in government and politics her whole life.”

    Oh B.S.

  59. [From the Daily News article]
    “It’s a brilliant pick for Paterson,” one said. “You choose a Kennedy, how can people be angry? She’s in the pantheon.

    “It’s not that it’s owed to her, but there’s no way anyone could say that Caroline Kennedy, that American icon, doesn’t own a piece of all of us.”

    Speak for yourself a*shole. I was outraged when I first heard about this, and then there was blowback, and Paterson was cool to the idea and it seemed to dim. Suddenly, the Princess decided “she wanted it,” and now it seems assured. RD is absolutely right: you can feel/hear the demanding HAKA. It’s grotesque, and I’m with Pat. No one gives a damn what any of us think. “They know what’s best for us,” and are making all the decisions now. No need to vote, express an opinion, protest. They do not give a good Goddamn.

  60. perries – Yes, that is a complete and total rewriting of history. She has done absolutely ZERO in government or politics.

    She does, however, have $$$$$$$$. And a famous name. She’s golden, baby.

    Barf.

  61. janicen: 3 words: Return to Sender.

  62. fif – That was so disgusting I wanted to take a shower.

    NO ONE OWNS A PIECE OF ME, especially not some do-nothing socialite.

    Jesus F*cking Christ, they’re not even trying to hide the plutocracy anymore.

  63. We are in Obama’s world now, where only celebrity and fundraising ability matter. Hard work, having been so maligned during the Bush years, is now completely out of fashion.

    Well said madamab. It’s soon time to start chaining ourselves to fences. Maybe we need to form CODE PUMA!

  64. The underlying problem is that the public could give a damn. How much genuine reaction erupted to the fact that we invaded a country, cost the lives of thousands to be lost, when it was revealed that we went to war based on a lie? How much did the public react when it was revealed that the Judiciary was being targeted with Bush supporters to ensure a 50 year reign of Repub rule? How quickly did the public respond when the Dem primary was stolen on May 31st? They didn’t.

    Angie was correct in pointing out that at least the people of Greece are willing to take to the streets in protest of their government’s policies and tactics. Us? We sit here waiting for the new season of American Idol to begin.

    And the answer to that complacency may just lie in the fact that the public has come to the conclusion that there is not a damned thing they can do about it while they watch their jobs, homes, pensions, disappear into thin air while this new “ruling” crowd waits in breathless anticipation to see what MO will be wearing to the “coronation” ball.

  65. Ok — I’m back — karen — wordpress is weird about what goes into moderation or not & if the moderator of the thread (who I think is RD since she wrote it) isn’t here it will stay in limbo until she can release it.

    Regency — I wasn’t picking on Hillary per se (’cause I know what you mean — she probably didn’t say it just like she didn’t “drop out” in May) but whatever — whether she said it or not doesn’t matter — my sentiments are for all those who are telling us to “get over it” or “lay off” or whatever — this is still America and I am an American — no one — not God Himself much less the Teleprompter Jesus or his minions — gets to tell me to sit down & shut up.

    Pat J — sadly, I agree with you — my mother and I just said yesterday this election showed us that we “little people” don’t matter — there is no more “the people” — it is just the powerful elites running everything — it probably has been that way for a long time, but now they are totally brazen about it — they aren’t even making the smallest attempt to hide it.

    All in all we’re just another brick in the wall.

  66. On a personal side note: I was in JFK Jr’s class in college. We had mutual friends, I had classes with him, and partied with him. Jackie, Caroline & Ted were at my graduation. Guess what?

    I DO NOT CARE!!!

    They are just people. John was a nice guy, but could not escape from who he was. If he wasn’t getting attention, he wore loud Hawaiian shirts, set himself apart, and spoke loudly to make sure he did. Many of his classmates from Andover followed him to Brown, and there was a huge clique of “BP’s” (beautiful people) who surrounded him. It starts early folks. If he had not died, he would have been president–whether he wanted to be or not. He wanted to be an actor, but that was not the family’s wish, so he was forced into the law and would have been ushered into the presidency with the same sycophantic historical crap that got Obama elected. Caroline, the shy one, is being pushed into this by Ted. They are obsessed, as their father Joe was, with this manufactured family legacy. It’s so ironic: they are so proud of their public service and sense of patriotism, and their behavior is the absolute antithesis of democracy.

  67. She has done absolutely ZERO in government or politics.

    But Reid says she grew up in politics so that qualifies her. I think it is time Hillary chose a side instead of being on the sidelines. Someone has to stop the madness.

  68. PJ – I love you, but please don’t say nothing happened when Dubya decided to invade Iraq. There were huge protests in America and all over the world.

    They didn’t matter, and that’s the underlying theme of your post, with which I agree wholeheartedly.

    The problem in America is threefold:

    1) The media actively disinforms the people;
    2) The country is too big – we hear about New Orleans and the Gulf Coast, but unless we are close to it we don’t see it. Thus, we are easily polarized and divided from each other, when we should be uniting.

    The old ways of making our voice heard seem to be going by the wayside. Public protest, calling, writing, etc. The PUMA movement will have to be more creative in the future. With all the fine minds here and throughout the blogosphere, I am sure we can figure something out!

    PUMA HAKA 👿

  69. Hey, these guys aren’t all powerful even if they actually believe that they are. First of all, they are mortal and right there is the ultimate limiting factor. Secondly, they are used to having money and power but past performance is no guarantee of future results. The Bushies planned for a long reign with a republican supermajority. How’d that work out? What about that New American Century? Where’s that?

    Fatalism is a mistake. The only constant is change. The Wheel of Fortune is ever on the move. Right now a certain bunch is riding high and they think they are at the top of the wheel to stay. Everyone before them has thought that, and everyone before them was wrong.

  70. Oh and my other strong statement for the day is:

    Kennedys suck.

  71. Shoot – I meant “twofold!”

    perries – I agree. Fatalism gets you nowhere. In fact, the plutocracy want us to feel powerless, but there are a lot more of us than there are of them.

    Just sayin’.

  72. Reading the Daily News article, HRC did not tell her supporters (ie: us) to stop bashing Caroline. She obviously spoke to politicos who were talking the media. I can understand that. She will be completely ineffective if she does not support the administration now, and that includes the Kennedys. Do I wish she would stand up and spit in their face? Absa-friggin-lutely! Is that going to happen? No. If a radical like that emerged today, I’d follow him/her off cliff, I’m so desperate for real leadership and truth.

  73. Angie was correct in pointing out that at least the people of Greece are willing to take to the streets in protest of their government’s policies and tactics. Us? We sit here waiting for the new season of American Idol to begin.

    Pat J — thanks — you hit what I was trying to say exactly. We are so complacent in this country we are letting the government get away with, literally, murder, theft, extortion, bribery, etc. Ever see that movie The Matrix — obviously I don’t think it is that far gone (tinfoil hat Tuesday was yesterday) but something similar is going on in that the msm & corpAmerica IS pacifying us with entertainment, consumption etc. to the point that we don’t care what they do as long as we can get the new wii.

    And, just in defense of the Greek people — their was a lot of corruption going on for a long time before those few guys started throwing rocks at the police — and so what? the police should not have opened fire — they have tear gas — and it was only after that incident when that young boy was killed did the bad rioting start.

  74. Interesting fif! Thanks for sharing your personal insight as a former classmate. I love learning this kind of anecdote.

    Kennedys still suck though.

  75. fif, I was just thinking that Caroline is rather like BO — a name, a celebrity, an idea — an anti-Palin idea — no resume.

    I was going to say I don’t really care at this point — the Dems have already lost me.Then I had a HORRIBLE thought — Ted is pushing Caroline to take Hillary’s spot and be the first woman President. Take over her seat, take over her supporters — eventually get Hillary to pass the torch to her. What a coup for the Kennedys!

    I will register as a Republican before I accept that. No Way. No How. No Queen Caroline.

  76. Have you read Naomi Wolf? She wrote an entire book about how we basically are precluded from protesting b/c of regulations like permits. Lynette Long has it right. This is from “Give Me Liberty” by N. Wolf:

    “First, the successful marchers of the past often believed in the power of their own reality and the justice of their mission; coverage was secondary to that conviction. When citizens march in this state of mind, it carries an energy field, a moral force that is inexplicable and that impresses onlookers and frightens despots.

    Second, they were willing to stand up and be counted personally — to use their names and offer their identification. And they were willing to cause a major, if nonviolent, disturbance of business as usual. They put themselves on the line.”

    Even though I think she was an Obot and no Palin fan, she had it right: We don’t do anything today because no one can be bothered to put themselves on the line.

  77. Ever see that movie The Matrix — obviously I don’t think it is that far gone (tinfoil hat Tuesday was yesterday) but something similar is going on in that the msm & corpAmerica IS pacifying us with entertainment, consumption etc. to the point that we don’t care what they do as long as we can get the new wii.

    angie: I do think the propaganda has reached unprecedented heights. You can see and hear it in friends and family, who repeat–verbatim–the same media talking points back to you to “make their case” for Obama & Co. They think they are being informed and engaged, and it’s horrifying to listen to their impassioned programming. My brother yelled at me that “Obama voted against the war!” Another friend screamed at me: “SHE’S A LIAR!” (about HRC after the Bosnia incident), and a third said, “He wasn’t IN church THAT day,” about BO & Wright.

    I do think an aware, resistant underground needs to be powerfully organized and take action. Even if we are spitting in the wind, I cannot sit back and do nothing. Our democracy is gone–it has been hijacked. The Kennedy “appointment” is just the latest obvious example.

  78. votermom: several other people have expressed that theory. If that is their intent–to make Caroline the first woman president–I will do everything I can to stop it. That would be the ultimate insult.

  79. madamab: There may have been protests but they did not receive the publicity which means that most people were unaware. At the same time, the “patriotic” meme was being pushed as reason enough. After all, we were being faced with the possibility of a “mushroom cloud” invading overhead at any moment. It was after the revelations came about that there was little outrage displayed by the public as a whole. We were lied to, repeatedly.

    There is more interest shown by the public in the Caylee Anthony case than there is in the fact that our rights are being chiseled away. Our beloved Constitution is being circumvented out of the belief that the need to spy on its own citizens is paramount to a rule of law.

    As long as the public at large sees no real sense of accountability, when the likes of Rove and P*well are feted with fawning interviews and status, then the ability to right wrongs will never happen.

    We are no longer under the bus but are floating in a vacuum of dismissal.

  80. I’m all for that, fif! I’ve been waiting to be a part of something that’ll take action.

  81. I too am asking the question of when or whether a collective voice from the American people can or will make a difference in our governance. Whatever the answer I am with you in giving it a shot til I hit that nursing home (or not).

  82. Micki – Um, no offense, but I was in a 250,000 protest march in NYC just before Bush invaded Iraq. Trust me, we were in that frame of mind. And we did cause a disturbance of business as usual. And what about Code Pink, UFPJ, etc. etc. etc.?

    I’m not buying it. The problem is that in the past, politicians would listen to the people when they protested. Now they don’t.

    One of the things I liked about HRC always, was that if she received calls and letters protesting one of her decisions, she would very often change her mind and do what her constituents told her. She understands the concept of public service.

    The Bushies have shown thousands of times that they do not care about the public. Unfortunately, Obama seems to fit that same mold.

  83. The Bushies planned for a long reign with a republican supermajority. How’d that work out? What about that New American Century? Where’s that?

    Fatalism is a mistake. The only constant is change. The Wheel of Fortune is ever on the move. Right now a certain bunch is riding high and they think they are at the top of the wheel to stay. Everyone before them has thought that, and everyone before them was wrong.

    Excellent insight perries–and motivating. It’s true. Evil happens with good men do nothing. As madamab said, we need to be creative. Lynette Long is tired of tame protests that are being ignored. She is “willing to get arrested.” That is what changed the silence against AIDS. “We’re here, we’re PUMA, get used to it!”

  84. when good men…

  85. Of course she is being groomed as the first female president! And a Kennedy at that.

    We could not have RFK or Teddy and John, Jr. is deceased. So they went to their Rolodex and tapped the next one in line who comes with little baggage for all intents and purposes.

    I am all for a female or a minority candidate for president but not one who has been shoved down my throat as we had with Obama. Palin may have been villified because of her earthy roots but I am not about to be made to “fall in love” with someone whose only claim to fame is a name.

  86. madamab: “The Bushies have shown thousands of times that they do not care about the public. Unfortunately, Obama seems to fit that same mold.”

    Agreed. It’s the brazen knowledge that we aren’t choosing them, therefore they are not beholden to us. Couple that with they don’t care anyway.

    But we care.

  87. PJ – IMHO, the coverage is not the issue. The media never covers protests accurately.

    The issue is the politicians. They know exactly how the people are reacting to their decisions, but they don’t care any more.

    Even Ronald Reagan reacted when we marched on Washington in the late 80’s. He was getting ready to overturn Roe V. Wade. There were hundreds of thousands of us screaming NO!

    He didn’t do it. And now the world is upside down, because I have actually found something nice to say about Ronnie.

    😉

  88. Isn’t it amazing that, as with BO, the inexperience argument doesn’t mean ANYTHING when discussing Caroline, but for Palin it was appalling to them (and she actually HAD relevant experience)!

    It was clearly a issue of elitism. Caroline is “one of the Villagers.”

  89. That we do care is our albatross. We would all be more than likely better off if we did not.

    My antacid tablets are beginning to lose effect. Perhaps it is time to just get on the bandwagon, however reluctantly, and let the chips fall where they may. Raging against the system is doing nothing but multiplying my gray hairs.

  90. I respectfully disagree madamab.

    Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    “Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it no longer can be ignored.”

    If people are doing it right, they cannot be ignored.

  91. Hmmm….very interesting re: Lynette Long. Alice Paul and the National Womens’ Party members got nowhere until they were willing to be arrested too.

    Of course, that was before Gitmo and the destruction of Habeas Corpus. Those who are arrested these days can be held indefinitely and tortured if the Preznit terms us “enemy combatants.” I don’t have any doubt as to whether Obama would use those powers. He is all about stifling dissent.

    We need to be creative, but if our leaders disappear into judicial limbo forever, I’m not sure if that would be effective either.

  92. madamab: The fact that you were able to say something “nice” about Reagan now impels me to find something “nice” to say about Bush. I still have about 34 more days so take heart. There has to be one thing I can find if I keep sifting through the last 8 years.

    But so far: zero.

  93. The issue is the politicians. They know exactly how the people are reacting to their decisions, but they don’t care any more.

    Now it’s all about the money, as that quote from Politico stated above. Corporations–who own the media–and own the politicians make or break careers, not voters. Obama was the ultimate example of this. Even with almost a billion dollars, the majority of it from large donors–not the small donors people were told about–barely bought the election for him. After the worst presidency in history, a failing economy, 2 wars, and relentless media promotion, he still struggled to win. People are sheep, ask Orwell.

  94. Micki — I haven’t read Naomi Wolf — thanks for the heads up.

    fif — sign me up! I do think an aware, resistant underground needs to be powerfully organized and take action. Even if we are spitting in the wind, I cannot sit back and do nothing.

    Not to get too biblical here, but when it comes time to separate the goats from the sheep, I know what I want on my conscience.

    madamab — yeah, one protest march –it isn’t nothing but it wasn’t nearly enough — there should have been day after day of protests that did not stop until the war did. I know, I know easier said then done, but that is what it takes to have an impact. What if MLK had organized only one march — how much of an effect do you think it would have had? We have to MAKE them listen.

  95. oh…angiec: I’d fight alongside your bad ass any day!

  96. Moreover, the fact that our First Amendment right to protest has been eroded like crazy puts a damper on our ability to not be ignored. Politicians have set it up so that protests can be ineffective. They aren’t ignoring the problem; they have manufactured it.

  97. Pat J — you are being too hard on W — he has a good dog that bites reporters.

  98. angienc–she has two books that are fantastic–Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot and Give Me Liberty. You will read them in an afternoon.

  99. Term limits and election reform would go a long way to restore credibility in our government. Won’t see it happen in my lifetime. The powers that be are much too entrenched.

  100. I also saw her at the National Constitution Center. She gave a lecture. I stayed until the wackadoodles started asking random questions.

  101. Micki – We didn’t “do it right?” Tens of millions of people were in the streets. We held signs, chanted, did everything the protesters did in the past. And yes, some of us were arrested and beaten.

    Are you saying our mindset was somehow not “pure” enough?

    This idea seems like an excuse to blame activists for the failures of the politicians to me. I don’t think it leads anywhere positive to use judgmental words like “not doing it right.”

    It is never wrong to take non-violent action. If it is not effective, then we can try different methods. But that doesn’t mean we did something “wrong.”

  102. Micki — thanks, I will read them.

  103. angie: But that is the dog. I have yet to find one positive thing about this man as he leaves office. Incidentally, I found not one positive thing about him before he was “selected” so I have been at a stalemate for years.

  104. Micki: wasn’t Woolf awful to HRC during the primaries?

  105. angienc, I marched in Washington before Bush’s war. I know that there were concurrent marches in San Fransisco and several state capitals. My favorite poster was a picture of Bush on an open bomb with the caption “There’s an empty war head in the White House.” No it didn’t help, and Bush didn’t care. But we can never be assured of success in any of our endeavors. It doesn’t make them meaningless.

  106. madamab–I’m not trying to downplay your activism. I’m saying it is uncommon, and it lost momentum, due in large part to serious restrictions by the state to prevent it from being commonplace.

    For example: compare the protests in other countries regarding the Beijing Olympics and OUR protests here.

  107. Pat: one positive thing about Bush as he leaves office.

    He is leaving office.

    The bad news?

    He’s being replaced by Obama.

  108. And also – angie, please, darlin’! There were many, many marches. Sorry you didn’t know about them, but that is a failure of the media, not of the protesters.

    Again – do not blame the activists, blame the politicians. They knew about every single march, trust me. They just didn’t care.

  109. madamab — I don’t think the critique is of the motives of the protesters (at least not from me) my critique (and I’m guilty of it as well) is having one protest & not doing anything else except mouth off to anyone who would listen to me about it. There needs to be more consistent protests to have an impact, imo.

  110. fif– I think she was an Obot, but I never heard her make a derogatory statement about HRC. I’m not saying it didn’t happen–I just didn’t hear it.

    She certainly doesn’t wax poetic about Obama in her writing. Its more a commentary on what she calls a “closing society.”

  111. But we can never be assured of success in any of our endeavors. It doesn’t make them meaningless.

    purple: exactly. Where would we be throughout history if resisters did not try? Many of them started with absolutely nothing, and no assurance of results. If there isn’t any protest, they will be completely unchecked, and it could be even worse.

  112. Micki – aha! I understand now.

    PJ – LOL! Don’t strain yourself. There is nothing good whatsoever about Bu$h.

    I was reading an article in Harper’s yesterday. Estimated cost of Bush’s squat in the Oval Office:

    $10,000,000,000,000 (yes, that’s TRILLION).

    We are so screwed for the foreseeable future.

  113. madamab–I’m not trying to make a personal attack against you or your commitment. Please know that. I’m just making an observation based on my experience. I’m sure that media coverage has something to do with it, but not everything to do with it.

  114. I remember the NY protests–they corralled everyone like cattle to reduce the impact for “security” reasons. Obama did the same thing at his rallies.

    People are inert until desperate for the most part. When people become hungry and physically endangered, then there will be a revolution. Unfortunately, that’s been true throughout history. Look at global warming. No one wants to be inconvenienced until their skin is melting or their house is under water.

  115. purplefin — I’m not saying they were meaningless — I’m saying they didn’t have much of an impact — and they didn’t. And madamab — sorry for making it sound like I thought there was only “one” march — I am aware there were several across the country– I meant a march as opposed to a movement. Ghandi, MLK protested for years before they were able to achieve the results they wanted. Being able to point to a few days in time and saying “we protested” and “we had many marches” just simply isn’t enough — there is not instant gratification here.

  116. The protests were barely covered by the media. In Washington the police with shields and on horseback were present in great numbers. We couldn’t march any where near the White House. When my friends and I decided to leave, we were accosted by the police. It seemed that we needed permission to stop marching. Me and my two friends and their three year old daughter – such a threat to D.C.

  117. Yes, angie. I agree. Movement vs. protests. And fif–that is exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about (well, Wolf points out, I can’t take credit). But I saw in Philadelphia that protesters against Prop 8 had to be a specific distance away from City Hall. They were shouting from across the STREET–not even in the concourse where people would see them and they could be disruptive (non-violently, i.e., as a mass of people). That is all due to permit restrictions. Its set up to make it fail.

  118. Caroline “around politics all of her life”.???

    Has Sen. Reid lost his memory as well as his integrity?? Jackie Kennedy moved Caroline and John to Greece to avoid media and political attention.

    When Jackie returned to New York to live she and her family stayed away from the media and POLITICS. Jackie came out of her self imposed islolation to make a few campaign appearances for Bobby Kennedy.

    After Bobby was murdered Jackie must have lived in terror that the same fate could befall her and her children. They lived very private non-political lives as did Caroline after her marriage.

    If Caroline’s political expertise is choosing the VP for Obama, she failed the test with the choice of Biden.

  119. Micki, angienc –

    There is a difference between being an activist who tries many different strategies to try to make change happen, and being a person who judges each effort and finds it wanting just because it may not have achieved the desired results. There are many reasons for failure. As Micki said, some are built into the system itself.

    You can be the best singer in the world, but if your audience is deaf, you are not to blame for the fact that they do not appreciate your performance. You may, however, decide to use sign language instead.

    MADAMAB HAKA 👿

  120. Additionally, people are reluctant to organize “legal” protests (think about that –a *legal* protest) because they have to fill out a permit ap and next thing you know they are on “the list.” And, if you are identified (i.e., arrested) you also get on “the list.” I’m not even having a tinfoil moment. You can’t make this shit up.

  121. BTW – There’s a new thread up!

  122. angienc, yes, you weren’t saying they were meaningless. Why not more? We were hoping for more, of course. Bush fooled a lot of the people with his WMD and the rush to war. And, yes, the American people haven’t taken a definitive stand against preemptive or even torture.

    A lot of people still think that “they hate us for our freedom.” Will we have to become a secondary power for the American people to give up some of our arrogance?

  123. Yes, madamab. But once you find a new way, they regulate you out of it. That’s the problem. People aren’t protesting against the system; they are protesting an issue. They have to break the system to get the results they need. They have to take down the system that keeps them from being effective.

  124. Basically, we have to take back the First Amendment.

  125. “preemptive war”

  126. I have to run out. Catch ya’ll later.

  127. ok where’s the protest im coming

  128. Hi Catarina–Guess what (O/T). We are getting a new kitty tonight. Buddy is NOT going to be happy.

  129. catarina, here! 🙂

  130. well well well. Hope the to-mah-to farming is going well and electricity back on and heat and everything… have to run too bad we couldn’t continue that colloquy from yesterday *wink*

  131. put me on the list, Purple-I’m there.

  132. Micki, that’s cool-a kitten?
    Buddy will need mega-attention. They get so jealous.
    I remember my cat’s “hurt” face when we got a second one. Had no idea it would be so complicated!

  133. johninca
    do you need your ass kicked so early in the day?

  134. new thread up – Tammany Hall/Chicago Machine/Barack Obama connections!

  135. yeah, I am not looking forward to Buddy’s rxn. He had a sister in his youth before we got him, but its been all buddy all the time since then. I’m worried, but I’m going to be positive.

    its a himalayan. My husband wanted him b/c he looked like a disaster.

  136. Micki
    will you email me a pic of the kitty when the dust settles?
    i love himalayans! good luck and have fun-give buddy a hug from me

  137. Princess Caroline is doing an upstate NY tour right now…I thought my gag response was thoroughly used up during the primary etc……but no! I find I can still get nauseated, I just can’t keep up with the collapse of the former United States. It’s over folks

  138. Hillary is right to stay out of this!

    The media immediately wanted this story to be Princess Caroline VS Hag Hillary.

    I know, I know, it’s all right for Obama to express his wishes for his replacement, even with the whole Blago thing…

    The reality is that Hillary wouldn’t be doing anyone a favor by getting sucked into the soap opera narrative favored by cable.

    As it is, the media seizes on anti-Caroline comments from Hillary Clinton supporters and ascribes the most over-the-top to her.

    I don’t think it’s any big surprise to her that CK’s support of Obama was her “coming out” party and this was the intention all along.

    I just want Hillary Clinton to be using all her considerable talents for our country! She just can’t win this media contest.

    Al Gore was treated shamefully by the media and he didn’t escape this narrative on the American political scene. Once he was on the international stage, Maureen Dowd, Tim Russert, etc. etc. didn’t matter. Thank Goodness.

    Hillary is comfortable on the international stage and she is well-thought of. She gets more respect from the world than from the provincial American media.

  139. c, on December 17th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    I don’t think it’s any big surprise to her that CK’s support of Obama was her “coming out” party and this was the intention all along.

    yup

    And this big Princess Caroline push now might also be about trying to make Hill give up her seat BEFORE being confirmed SOS. There is no bottom to Obama and the Kennedy’s chicanery . None

  140. Who would she serve?

    Herself.

  141. Wasn’t Adolph Hitler Time’s Man of the year in the 1930’s. I guess Obama is in good company…

  142. I hope Patterson appoints Caroline Kennedy to replace Hillary in the NY senate…and then she loses reelection in 2010. That way it will be much harder for Kennedys or other dynastys to run and be taken seriously in the future.

  143. It would be a slap in Teddy’s face if she is an inefficient senator.

  144. Apparently Caroline has a new “friend” at the times. How can we expect them to report objectively about her. John you were right. It looks like she is really “whoring” for her appointment. Sorry Catarina.

    http://gawker.com/tag/rumormonger/?i=5013239&t=sulzbergers-kennedy-friend-to-help-choose-obamas-veep#csulzbergers-kennedy-friend-to-help-choose-obamas-veep

  145. jesus christ ari not you too

  146. As a former Soviet communist (okay, I was 11 when I left) I’ve followed Russian politics with some interest. And I’ve wondered how the public could embrace a thug like Putin and give up so many of their freedoms, most notably freedom of the press? Putin has destroyed the press and spent his entire “Presidency” hunting down his opponents, sending them to jail or chasing them into exile.

    And then I think about the US and what we have been doing since 2001. American has surrendered so many of its rights to Bush and now Obama, and the press didn’t so much get killed as it committed hara-kiri. What we’re seeing now is division of the spoils. One administration is moving out and being replaced by another and everybody is taking a piece of the pie. And is the public taking any notice? Nope.

    I keep bouncing back and forth on Hillary’s role in all this. She campaigned for Barky, she accepted a post in his position, she refused to address the misogyny that pervaded the primaries and then the general election, and now she has no preference for who takes over her seat. I actually find that as hard to believe as the idea that Obama took no interest in who took over his seat. But as Hillary, who returned Caroline Kennedy’s donation to her campaign in August, now says she doesn’t care who replaces her…I’m afraid I’m seeing a paper tiger again. I know, I know, Hillary isn’t stupid, she knows what she’s doing, etc. etc. etc. But none of that makes me feel any better about where we find ourselves today and where we are headed tomorrow. If Hillary’s got a plan – by the time the plan plays out she might herself the first in line, with no supporters following her.

  147. Catarina If she is dating the owner of the NYT, I would call that “whoring” shes putting herself out there ya’know.

    At first, I was Caroline would face sexism from other politicians and the media but if shes “dating” the owner of the NYT for an endorsement Im sorry but thats no different than prostituting herself.

  148. Americans have had good lives for a lot of years and are too complacent . No everone was hungry or jobless or homeless. We were acting like those who were in these circumstances had to be lazy or addicts.
    It was their own fault, everyone could succeed in America if they tried.
    Now with a depression coming maybe Americans will wake up and stand up and look around and really see what has been lost and start to fight to get it back.

    As far as backtrack being humble isn”t there an old c&w song called ” Its so hard to be humble”? sounds like him.
    Madamab
    I finnally found a clip of backtrack’s theme song
    “How could you belive me when I said I loved you when you know I’ve been a liar all my life.”
    GAAgirl posted the link downstairs on Its official now.

    WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  149. Oranized protests do not work in todays enviroment.
    Work stoppages do. Make them sudden and random and nationwide. Other countries have done this for years. I know it means sacrifice but is our country worth taking back?. I think it is.
    Boycotts are effective if big enough and long enough.
    Many people have fought for this country since it started, can we do any less?

    WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  150. Caroline Kennedy is no Hillary Clinton, and as a New Yorker I DO NOT want her anywhere near Hillary’s seat.!! There are plenty of other candidates who have actually HELD POLITICAL OFFICE and demonstrated their committment to public service in New York…..women and men for that matter. Note to Caroline: being a Senator is not fun and games!!!!

    If ole man Kennedy wants to see her in the Senate so badly, why doesn’t he step aside and push for her to take over his seat in Massachussetts? This whole spectacle makes me sick to my stomach and wreaks of Obama-politics!

  151. Hillary is working 16-hour days preparing to take over as SoS. I’m guessing she doesn’t have time to worry about who gets her old seat, and doesn’t want to be seen as meddling. We supporters can do whatever we want, however. Just to be clear, though, telling her supporters not to diss CK in public is not in any way, shape or form an endorsement of CK.

    I sure wouldn’t want to be Gov. Paterson right now.

  152. I smell Obama trolls. This isn’t about Hillary vs Caroline. It is about caroline bs Carolyn. Or Caroline vs kirsten or Nita. It is about Ted Kennedy having his way. Hillary isn’t involved except that it was formerly her seat and presumably she has a recommendation of her own that Paterson should consider.
    But as for Caroline vs Hillary, there *is* no comparison. And we aren’t going to back off.
    So, go away before we drop a house on you.

  153. I would assume Ms. Kennedy would not be working for me as a New Yorker, until her actions proved otherwise…and I would not be holding my breath waiting for that proof. Furthermore, I would take great pleasure in casting my vote for whomever ran against her in the next election, no matter who it was, just as a vote of no confidence.

  154. Disney princess culture at work. Why the hell should I bother with merit and hard work when the most important thing is what I look like and who I’m related to?

  155. The Kennedy’s like the Bush’s believe that they are entitled to have power. God forbid Caroline gets Hillary’s seat, we will have 99 Senators as Caroline will do as Uncle Ted says, including expanding the HB-1 Visa program which will deny even more jobs to qualified American workers in the IT/Tech fields.

  156. I was standing in a coffee shop at yet another liberal university that had NPR unavoidably on and couldn’t help but listen to that so called liberal station shilling for Carolyn.

    I stuck my fingers in my ears right about the third false comparison to Sen. Clinton “And just like Hillary Clinton, she has to make herself beloved by upstate New York”

    Uh, NPR? Not if she’s APPOINTED.

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