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“Pay To Play” Is The Chicago Way

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The Kool-aid slurping media and bloggers are in full campaign mode trying to spin yesterday’s arrest of Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich as some sort of exoneration of Teh Precious.  From the NYT:

In a sequence of events that neatly captures the contradictions of Barack Obama’s rise through Illinois politics, a phone call he made three months ago to urge passage of a state ethics bill indirectly contributed to the downfall of a fellow Democrat he twice supported, Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich.

[…]

Beyond the irony of its outcome, Mr. Obama’s unusual decision to inject himself into a statewide issue during the height of his presidential campaign was a reminder that despite his historic ascendancy to the White House, he has never quite escaped the murky and insular world of Illinois politics. It is a world he has long navigated, to the consternation of his critics, by engaging in a kind of realpolitik, Chicago-style, which allowed him to draw strength from his relationships with important players without becoming compromised by their many weaknesses.

You see, even though both Barack and Michelle Obama are well connected to the Daley Machine in Chicago, they have manged to remain pure and innocent.  Some bloggers have already concluded that any attempt to link Obama to this scandal will be an attempt to smear him by association.  From Digby:

The minute I heard about Fitzgerald’s press conference, I knew this would follow shortly: Questions Arise About the Obama/Blagojevich Relationship
That’s Jake Tapper, not making any charges but bringing up all kinds of cross currents in Illinois politics to suggest that there are “questions.” And all over TV they are talking about “corrupt Chicago politics,” which is being splashed onto Obama.

It’s natural that Obama and many of his staff have crossed paths with the players in this scandal. But according to Lynn Sweet of the Tribune, who has followed Obama for some time and is not a sycophant, says the campaign put a mile between itself and Blagojevich, not even allowing him to speak at the Democratic convention. They are not close.

I don’t know if this will go anywhere. At this point, I think there’s just too much news and too many problems for a phony scandal to have any legs. But, as I wrote almost a year ago, these Chicago shennanigans have elements of a perfect right wing smear by association if they have the energy to launch one and the press decides it’s sexy enough.

Nowhere in her post does Digby allow for the idea that any allegations against Obama might be true, or that he might be involved in any of the corruption for which Chicago is infamous.  In Chicago, the definition of an honest politician is one who stays bought.

Michelle Obama was literally born into machine politics – her father was a ward boss.  She worked for a law firm (with Bernadine Dohrn) that has close ties the Mayor Daley, and then went to work for Mayor Daley.  In 2002 she began working for University of Chicago Hospitals and in May 2005, a few months after Barack was elected to the U.S. Senate, she received a promotion that almost tripled her salary.  She also was appointed to serve as a board member for TreeHouse Foods Inc. (a major Walmart supplier) which paid her another $50,000 a year.  I’m sure her promotion and board appointment had nothing to do with her husband being a Senator.

Barack worked his way up from “community organizer” to State Senator to US Senator in Chicago by making friends with the political machine.  He was not an outsider or a reformer, he was the consummate insider.  Rezko, Wright and Ayers were some of his friends, but his godfather was Emil Jones, the President of the Illinois Senate who bragged that he made Obama a U.S. Senator:

So how has Obama repaid Jones? Last June, to prove his commitment to government transparency, Obama released a comprehensive list of his earmark requests for fiscal year 2008. It comprised more than $300 million in pet projects for Illinois, including tens of millions for Jones’s Senate district.

Obama supporters have seized on the alleged recorded statements of Governor Blagojevich contained in the indictment as proof that Obama refused to participate in “pay for play.”  But Blago’s brazen behavior suggests that such corruption is commonplace and there is no indication that the Obama transition team reacted with shock or outrage to his demands.

Obama’s refusal to pay the requested bribe in exchange for selecting his replacement in the Senate may have been based on moral principles.  But it could also have been based on concern over the ongoing investigation by Patrick Fitzgerald.  It’s not exactly a secret, Tony Rezko was convicted earlier this year but has not yet been sentenced and rumors have been circulating that he was cooperating in exchange for leniency.

Or maybe Obama was just too cheap to pay up.

we-told-you-so

138 Responses

  1. What on earth happened to Digby. She used to be really good–and independent. I guess she finally gave in to the trolls who were stalking her because she actually noticed the sexism against Hillary. That’s just sad.

  2. BB:

    “This is your brain. This is your brain on Kool-aid”

  3. Re payoffs to MO: I also read somewhere that Treehouse gave her stock options worth some $72,000 (then, probably, but not now….). Apparently spreading the wealth around the family unit helps keep the tax bite smaller too.

  4. “But Blago’s brazen behavior suggests that such corruption is commonplace and there is no indication that the Obama transition team reacted with shock or outrage to his demands.” — Very good point, myiq.

    I just popped over to Texas Darlin and someone there noted that the Nov. 5 story re: Obama’s meeting that day with Blagojevich was gone. I checked myself, and yep — scrubbed already. This is fucking insane. It’s like living under Stalin.

  5. jules:

    If you read between the lines Blago didn’t get a “hell no!” response. It seems more like he felt they were playing hard to get in negotiations.

  6. Yeah, jules, there will be a lot of revisionism happening over the next few days. None of us are surprised about it as we saw the same thing over and over again during the primaries.

    Nothing sticks to this piece of presidential elect mud!

  7. I just found an old article listing some of BO’s misdeeds-it seems that Valerie Jarrett was the property manager for Grove Park:

    Later, as a state senator, Obama wrote endorsement letters on behalf of Rezko to agencies allocating funds to build other housing complexes. According to an scathing report published June 27th in the Boston Globe, “Rezko’s company used subsidies to rehabilitate more than 1,000 apartments, mostly in and around Obama’s district, then refused to manage the units, leaving the buildings to decay to the point where many no longer were habitable.” In a similar vain, Edward McClelland, writing for Salon last year, explained that “Rezko, after all, built part of his fortune by exploiting the black community that Obama had served in the state senate, and by milking government programs meant to benefit black-owned businesses.”

    The Globe story continues, “Grove Parc [one of the projects] and several other prominent failures were developed and managed by Obama’s close friends and political supporters,” the article stated. “Those people profited from the subsidies even as many of Obama’s constituents suffered. Tenants lost their homes; surrounding neighborhoods were blighted… ‘No one should have to live like this, and no one did anything about it,’ said Cynthia Ashley, who has lived at Grove Parc since 1994.”

    Valerie Jarrett, a senior staffmember for the Obama presidential campaign, is the property manager for Grove Parc. In fact, the Globe discovered that six prominent developers associated with the tenement schemes – including Jarrett, Davis and Rezko – collectively donated more than $175,000 to Obama’s campaigns through the years and raised hundreds of thousands more from other donors

    http://tinyurl.com/2anrtw

  8. Pay to Play is the new DNC way – buy a calendar!
    Check out http://tdg.typepad.com/heidi_lis_potpourri/2008/12/just-when-i-think-the-dnc-cannot-sink-any-lower-they-find-a-way-to-do-so.html
    In haste – Heidi Li –

    about to board a plane home from a business trip

  9. Has the Obama camp answered the question yet as to when the last time was that Obama and Blag spoke, and about what?

    Has Obama yet declared that he will investigate and reveal who among his staff might have spoken to Blag, when, and about what?

    Has Obama said he will fire anyone involved in discussions with Blag who did not report to the authorities improper offers from Blag?

  10. Seems like there’s no incentive anymore for Gov. B or Harris to keep quiet about what they know about Obama since at this point they’re toast. I suspect neither one would mind taking others down with him, including Obama staffers or even Obama and/or MO.

  11. frankly:

    Obama’s reaction reminds me of G-Dub when when his good buddy Ken “Kenny-Boy” Lay got arrested in the Enron meltdown:

    “Ken who?”

  12. A further question:

    Has Obama stated that he will fire any staff member who was involved in discussions with Blag who did not report to Obama improper offers from Blag? Or does Obama believe that reporting instances of clear corruption to him is not something he demands from his staff?

  13. Heidi:

    Have a nice trip!

  14. Jules,

    I have a screen grab of the Nov. 5 meeting story on my hard drive. It was linked by a lot of blogs, and I’m guessing the TV station got nervous about angering Dear Leader.

  15. I think Obama’s attitude to Blago can be best summed up: “I got what I wanted from you, you ain’t got anything more I can use, have a nice life, or not, I don’t care.”

    To think Digby used to be one of my must-reads. Just because the right wing happily spreads lies about Dems doesn’t mean everything negative said about Dems is a lie.

  16. bostonboomer: I figured one of you wise souls would have saved the shot.

    I’m wondering if Jarrett, Emmanuel, and others will speak with Fitzgerald on a voluntary basis or if subpoenas will be required.

  17. http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2146307/posts

    They look pretty friendly in the pic on this page 😉

    I just googled November 5 meeting with Gov ,

    there are lots of pages

  18. myiq: “playing hard to get” — lol, but that sounds about right

  19. Sister:

    The Obotian trolls are so desperate they are bashing us for our sources because they can’t dispute the facts.

    “Your source is a right-winger!”

    They are bashing spelling mistakes too. I’m sure grammar and punctuation will be next.

  20. I posted this in the earlier thread. It is an interesting snarky take on the whole thing from a conservative POV:

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29848

  21. Over here in Italy, it was the courts of law which brought down the whole rotting pack of cards which was the Christian Democrat Party.

    Corruption was massive, and the whole series of investigations and trials, originating in Milan, lasted at least 2 years and was known as “tangentopoli”. (tangenti was a refined way of referring to bribes)

  22. Myiq2xu-

    I couldnt resist it went to ButtBurger and they have an unhealthy obcession with you yesterday the had a open thread against PUMA’s and it was really a slam Myiq2xu thread….

    I swear these Obats are actually loosing sleep over you and have dedicated their lives to your distruction?

    I mean really they need to get a life…

    I left a comment there it was funny and they took the bait and honed in on the one “set up phrase” ignoring the truth in the rest of the comment its to easy….

    The head guru at buttberger refused to edit my comment I was offended!

  23. Did anyone get a screen grab of the story linked to on Cannonfire regarding BO and Rahm working in a small group to get Blo elected? I have followed all the links and can’t find anything that says this (even in the original New Yorker article) and now Rahm is denying it.

    Maybe today should be tinfoil hat day, huh?

  24. How pervasive does corruption have to be when your predecessor is in prison and your #1 fundraiser is on his way there and you still don’t stop?

  25. well people of Illinois have low expectations for their elected officials…..

    I guess with Obambi and Blah-goyne-oh-vich they are trying to spread the love or infection to the rest of us!

  26. As a proud reciepient of the “Buttberger” Tin Foil hat award I will gladly loan you mine!

  27. I do not understand why the gang that couldn’t shoot straight did not get it
    The backtrack way
    I got what i needed from you now under the bus and shut up.
    His motto is
    they were expendable.

    Why are my comments not showing up?
    Was I banned and why?

    WOMEN, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  28. Fuzzy:

    They are desperate for attention like spoiled kids who misbehave just so mommy and daddy will notice them

  29. scrubs:

    Tin foil hat TUESDAY will be next week.

    I was gonna do it yesterday but it got busy.

    The following Tuesday (12/23) is Festivus.

  30. helen:

    I think Spammy has a crush on you cuz he grabs up a lot of your comments.

  31. Or make your own caption 🙂

  32. I think spammy needs a helen bypass-I love her comments could someone put that down on the technical to do list!

  33. sigh 2 posts in moderation

  34. I only saw one, and nothing from Helen

  35. You are fast you got one already 😉

    but the one with pic is still spammified I bet lots of folks could come up with some great captions for that pic 🙂

  36. when ever I go tr0lling the anti PUMA sights I always ask why they waste their time on us I mean they won…

    never get a “Snickers its so satisfying” answer from them…..

  37. faster than a posting blogger LOL

  38. BTW – MO didn’t just jet $50K a year for sitting on a board of a company she had no experience with, she also got $70K a year in stock options.

  39. I updated my post down below, but probably no one is going to look at it, so I’m posting it here. Gateway Pundit has more information about BO and Blago’s activities on Nov. 5, 2008.

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/12/obama-met-with-blagojevich-in-chicago.html

  40. Fuzzy:

    But we don’t exist even!

    Someone at Kitty’s Litter Box was all jazzed that since the election PUMAPac is only getting a few hundred comments on each of their threads.

    He said this at a blog that gets about 10 comments per day!

  41. Hells bells, even I knew Blagojevich was under investigation and would be arrested by the end of this year; of course Obama knew it.

    I got onto the TV site earlier today that discussed the OBlag meet, but the guv’s site had a press conference & details of at least one meeting between the two, and that is scrubbed to the gills. Nada.

  42. scrubs 6.39-I didn’t find the cannonfire article but I did find this ref. from The New Yorker “Making It” by Ryan Lizza:

    ‘Therefore, if you raise five million dollars, I have a fifty-per-cent chance of winning. If you raise seven million dollars, I have a seventy-per-cent chance of winning. If you raise ten million dollars, I guarantee victory.”
    That year, he gained his first high-level experience in a statewide campaign when he advised the victorious gubernatorial candidate Rod Blagojevich, another politician with a funny name and a message of reform. Rahm Emanuel, a congressman from Chicago and a friend of Obama’s, told me that he, Obama, David Wilhelm, who was Blagojevich’s campaign co-chair, and another Blagojevich aide were the top strategists of Blagojevich’s victory. He and Obama “participated in a small group that met weekly when Rod was running for governor,” Emanuel said. “We basically laid out the general election, Barack and I and these two.” A spokesman for Blagojevich confirmed Emanuel’s account

  43. Oopsie!:

    “From the governor’s press release:

    Governor Blagojevich Congratulates President-elect Obama and Discusses U.S. Senate Seat To fill President-Elect Barack Obama’s Senate seat, Governor will use deliberate process to select suitable replacement.”

  44. BO’s “we were not, I was not aware of what was happening.” comment is a very slick parsing of words. Just like his, “You can put lipstick (pause) on a pig (pause, pause for more effect, wait for people to get it) and it’s still a pig.”

    He makes me ill

  45. Kitty litter I love your nicknames for these guys sights!

    I have decided to put in a bid for Obamas Senate seat .99 cents thats all it is worth to me and if Obama comes with it I reserve the right to charge a “sudstantial” handling fee and fumigation charge!

  46. Noone rises to power the way Obama has in a corrupt political environment without playing the game. People don’t care, want to bury their head in the sand or are stupid but, Obama is dirty. His wife’s raises wouldn’t pass anyone’s smell test if they took the time to learn about their candidates. I am certain that everyone knew Blago was dirty not the least of whom was Obama.

    I suspect that there is a lot of hidden corruption in Washington and what they may see in Obama is someone who will let them be even more brazen. Blago is just dumb and got caught.

  47. I asked that question last night fuzzy and afrocity had a great response:

    Gxm17 said: What battle are they still fighting?

    Afrocity said: The yes we can zombies are protecting an obviously flawed and corrupt empty suit, prez elect. The battle they are fighting is the moral one within their own minds.

  48. Fuzzy:

    It’s worth more than that!

    It’s practically new and has hardly been used.

  49. It is snowing in Houston, TX. Whoa. Hell has frozen over.

  50. If Blago rolls over and agrees to testify against Obama this will be the best Christmas EVER!

  51. true so true myiq….it could actually be classified as previously purchased but never taken out of the box….

    ok I up my bid to $ 999,999,999.00 will they take a postdated 4 party check?

  52. Let me get this straight: earlier today, following a link on one of the threads here, I went to a web-site of some news channel that said on Nov. 5 that Obama and Blago were going to be meeting later in the day. And now this site has been scrubbed???!!!

    I think we need to try to send this info with the original url and screen capture, and the newly missing web-page, to people like Lou, Greta, and media critics like Howard Kurtz.

  53. myiq2xu, on December 10th, 2008 at 7:01 pm Said:
    Fuzzy:

    It’s worth more than that!

    It’s practically new and has hardly been used.

    yes but the way it i has been used , it would be like buying a used casting couch ewwww

  54. Holy cr@P! That tv station pulled that article from 11/5 talking about obama meeting with blago to discuss replacement for his senate seat!
    Look what they put up in its place!! Will anyone in the MSM even mention this?

    KHQA Clarification
    News

    Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 4:04 p.m.

    KHQA TV wishes to offer clarification regarding a story that appeared last month on our website ConnectTristates.com. The story, which discussed the appointment of a replacement for President Elect Obama’in the U.S. Senate, became the subject of much discussion on talk radio and on blog sites Wednesday.

    The story housed in our website archive was on the morning of November 5, 2008. It suggested that a meeting was scheduled later that day between President Elect Obama and Illinois Governor Blagojevich. KHQA has no knowledge that any meeting ever took place. Governor Blagojevich did appear at a news conference in Chicago on that date.

    whoa, this is a lot worse than even I could have imagined! Now they have all the dem senators trying to get blago to step down NOW before he spills his guts as a sitting governor.

    http://www.connecttristates.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=233822

  55. DYB, on December 10th, 2008 at 7:06 pm Said:
    Let me get this straight: earlier today, following a link on one of the threads here, I went to a web-site of some news channel that said on Nov. 5 that Obama and Blago were going to be meeting later in the day. And now this site has been scrubbed???!!!

    I think we need to try to send this info with the original url and screen capture, and the newly missing web-page, to people like Lou, Greta, and media critics like Howard Kurtz.
    *****************************88

    I posted the link in the last thread I believe. I also copied and pasted either the entire artircle or most of it. The link to the retraction is above.

  56. This “clarification” from the news station is ludicrous. The article clearly stated a meeting was scheduled. Why do they feel the need to erase the story from its archives and “clarify” that they don’t know if it happened? The article did not say it happened, but that it was scheduled. This is such a glaring example of this station covering for Obama! It’s outrageous!

  57. here it is:

    ainnj, on December 10th, 2008 at 2:15 pm Said:

    Now wait a second, didn’t axelbub say he “misspoke” about obama meeting with blago about filling his seat? Someone really should call this local news station and tell them they misspoke/misstyped too.

    http://www.connecttristates.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=217582

    Who will fill Obama’s senate seat?

    Ill. governor meeting with Obama today

    By Carol Sowers
    Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:39 a.m.

    CHICAGO, ILL. — Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.

    That’s one of Obama’s first priorities today.

    He’s meeting with Governor Rod Blagojevich this afternoon in Chicago to discuss it.

  58. DYB, on December 10th, 2008 at 7:12 pm Said:
    This “clarification” from the news station is ludicrous. The article clearly stated a meeting was scheduled. Why do they feel the need to erase the story from its archives and “clarify” that they don’t know if it happened? The article did not say it happened, but that it was scheduled. This is such a glaring example of this station covering for Obama! It’s outrageous!
    ***************************************************

    It certainly is. Wonder who Carol Sowers is?

  59. ainnj – at 7:08.

    SEE! The scrub is beginning. Screen grab quickly, people!

  60. this sucks…..he lies and lies and gets off clean!

  61. They all knew about all this throughout the election cycle. They SAT on it. HARD.
    The view from the NYC tabloids
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/ny-tabloids-on-blagobamarama/

  62. if you go to my link at 7:12 I think there is a way to copy the original page even though it has now been scrubbed. I see it but its really small.

  63. This whole selection process this year makes it more imperative that we start a on line newspaper that checks sources and facts and archives them.
    Someone always seems to have a magic eraser when it comes to backtrack.
    The msm is a lost cause when it comes to reporting the truth and seems to have its own agenda.
    That agenda is not in the best interest of America.
    There are so many good minds and smart people here that I believe it could be done.
    So many facts were brought out here that were never reported in the msm.

    WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  64. Another story about the meeting has been scrubbed.

    http://www.connecttristates.com/news/story.aspx?id=219212

    This was previously a link to a story from Nov 8 which discusses the BO and Blo meeting.

  65. and this from Hot Air :

    However, KHQA stuck with its reporting on November 8th (via Stop the ACLU):
    Duckworth comments on consideration for Senate
    By Alexis Hunt
    Saturday, November 08, 2008 at 9:48 p.m.
    QUINCY, IL — Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.
    Obama met with Governor Rod Blagojevich earlier this week to discuss it. Illinois law states that the governor chooses that replacement. There’s already been speculation about his selection…from Congressman Jesse Jackson, Junior to Illinois Department of Veterans’ Affairs Director Tammy Duckworth.

  66. Another story about the meeting has been scrubbed.

    http://www.connecttristates.com/news/story.aspx?id=219212

    This was previously a link to a story from Nov 8 which discusses the BO and Blo meeting.
    *****************************
    This one isn’t by the same reporter of the previous story.
    Can it get any dirtier?

  67. You won’t want to miss tonights Lions Share. Please join us for an endless feast of

    Fava beans

    and a

    Bag-O-Chips.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/no-we-wont

  68. 8pm est. set your clocks!

  69. How do you do those screen shots anyway?

  70. Isnt tonight the first show if the View from Under the Bus? ???

  71. johninca, on December 10th, 2008 at 7:26 pm Said:
    How do you do those screen shots anyway?
    ****************************

    I am not sure but if you run the mouse over the link the page picture comes up and in the top right is a little thing that says “options”

  72. Oh yes Swanspirit. Same place starts at 9:30pm!!!

    Don’t miss it! I’m sure it’s gonna be fantastic!

  73. John on your keyboard there should be a key that says Print screen for screen captures

    Here’s How:
    Press the Print Screen key on your keyboard. It may be labeled [PrtScn].

    Open an image editing program, such as Microsoft Paint.

    Go to the Edit menu and choose Paste.

    If prompted to enlarge the image, choose Yes.

    Optional: Use your image editor’s crop tool to crop out unnecessary portions of the screen shot.

    Go to the File Menu and choose Save As.

    Navigate to the folder where you want to save the image.

    Type a file name for the image.

    or go here
    http://take-a-screenshot.org/

  74. Hmmmm.

    If nobody from the Obama team spoke to Blago, how did Blago know that they weren’t willing to “pay to play?”

  75. Okay, did anyone save screen grabs of the original story? And particularly the story from Nov. 8th, which mentions the meeting in retrospect? We need to put together an e-mail with the screen grabs and the cover-ups and spread it around to people like Kurtz, Dobbs, Greta, and Media Matters (I haven’t checked Media Matters lately – are they on Kool-Aid?)

  76. Michelle and Barack Obama are pay to play Chicago politicians.

  77. Thank you, ainnj and swannie. Good instructions except when you get to this:

    Use your image editor’s crop tool to crop out unnecessary portions of the screen shot…

    crop tool– too complicated for me.

    It’s like telling a guy who doesn’t play chess, “just open with the Queen’s Gambit and you’ll be fine.”

  78. Oh, B0 was willing to “pay to play” — he was only trying to work out a deal (ie board appointments, Change the Way or some such sh!t) that “wouldn’t have his fingerprints on it.” Blago, the greedy pig, wanted up front cash money.

  79. DYB, on December 10th, 2008 at 7:38 pm Said:
    Okay, did anyone save screen grabs of the original story?
    *********************************8888
    i didn’t but how come I can still see them when I roll over the links in the posts above? I saved those but they are really tiny.

  80. Listen guys, there are some things we know. One is that Obama is hip-deep in the Chicago swamp. Another is that he is massively corrupt (we know that from the primaries). A third is that Obama is all about money, power and self-affirmation.

    Even if the reports of the meetings didn’t exist, it would beggar belief to assume he wouldn’t talk to Blago about who would get his Senate seat. Absolute idiocy.

  81. Even drudge scrubbed it off his site.

  82. madamab, on December 10th, 2008 at 7:46 pm Said:
    Listen guys, there are some things we know. One is that Obama is hip-deep in the Chicago swamp. Another is that he is massively corrupt (we know that from the primaries). A third is that Obama is all about money, power and self-affirmation.

    Even if the reports of the meetings didn’t exist, it would beggar belief to assume he wouldn’t talk to Blago about who would get his Senate seat. Absolute idiocy.
    ***************************************

    true, but isn’t it the LIE that got clinton impeached and not the actual bj, according to the right wing (and now left wing) nutjobs? Of course obama didn’t deny this under oath…yet..

  83. Winston Smith couldn’t have done it better

  84. I was beginning to get a complex. Yes I knew the joke was corny, but i expected some one to at least acknowledge it. LOL

    call in ok, I might be on my lonesome for part of it.

  85. btw — I never go to the kool aid sites — y’all must know I have a problem keeping my mouth shut in the face of stupidity — but I waded on over to huffpo today via a link on another site — big mistake — I can’t say these people who actually believe that the indictment of Blago “fully clears B0 from any wrong doing” and to even think that B0 should be questioned about Blago is nothing more than “a r@cist, right-wing smear” have lost their minds, as that would be an insult to the mentally ill. These people simply have NO MINDS.

  86. angienc

    i was just on huffpit myself also after clicking on a link. disgusting!

    they have closed ranks around Obama and are proclaiming his innocence.
    one columnist is gushing about what a great senator caroline kennedy would make.

    we are truly living in an alternate universe.

  87. ainnj> I don’t know why you can still see the thumbnail; I don’t know how that part of the web engine works. Perhaps it saved the original thumbnail and that’s it – it doesn’t update it.

    madamb is right and I’ve said also: the idea that the President Elect and the leader of the Democratic party would not try to have some say about who replaces him in the Senate is preposterous. A man in his position would be able to hand-pick his successor. The difference here is Blagojevich who had his own plans. But the idea that Obama would not flex his muscle and just let Blago do whatever he wanted is ludicrous.

    I’m really astounded by this news channel’s scrubbing of the story of the meeting. Forget the story ahead of the meeting; the story 3 days after the meeting is the real deal. And they’ve taken it off their web-site? This is mind-boggling!

  88. myiq2xu,

    An Obama advisor is mentioned in the criminal complaint, and it most likely refers to Rahm Emanuel. Obama thinks he can get away with anything, but eventually the smell of corruption around him is going to get really bad, and people are going to start to notice.

  89. ainnj — Nixon didn’t lie under oath either — and he actually got impeached. So there is hope for B0 — he isn’t even President elect until the EC votes on 12/15 — please, please for the love of all that is good & holy — let my Fitzy indict B0 before then, let people open their eyes & let that man never ever actually become the President elect.

  90. DYB,

    The report of the meeting was still posted on Blago’s site last time I checked. If it isn’t there, Gateway Pundit has it. I save a lot of stories. I guess I’d better start doing it even more often.

  91. those sites like huff and marko-cheetoville get ad revenue based on traffic, don’t they? I quit going after someone pointed that out

  92. angie,

    If he were a Republican, he might get away with it, because the Dems are so spineless. But the Republicans are not going to hesitate once they smell blood in the water.

  93. uh, here’s a press release sort of from Blago’s office talking about obie’s meeting with him, didn’t see if anyone else posted it:

    http://www.illinois.gov/PressReleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=72&RecNum=7260

  94. WOW Rightish V.!

  95. Nixon wasn’t impeached.

    The House Impeachment committee voted to recommend articles of impeachment and Tricky Dick resigned.

    Andrew Johnson and the Big Dawg were both impeached in the House and acquitted in the Senate.

  96. rightish

    I can’t view the press release-keep getting a server error.
    did it get removed?

  97. myiq — got me! You are right — he resigned before he was actually impeached — difficult for me to remember as I was but a twinkle in my daddy’s eye at the time.

    BUT, my main point was that it wasn’t lying under oath that took Nixon down — it was covering up the break in.

  98. angie — you’ve got mail!

  99. bostonboomer, I think there’s a tr0ll called Peter Flaherty at the end of your last post.

  100. I was in reform school at the time.

    I was an honor student.

    “Yes your honor. No, your honor.”

  101. I wonder if Jane Hamsher still thinks Fitzgerald is a hero? What about emptywheel? I guess I should go look, except I don’t want my stomach to turn.

  102. catarina> I got an error message at first also, but after refreshing a couple of times got the press release. The important tid-bit is in the headline.

  103. SOD — just answered — sorry! I forgot to confirm!

  104. I’m sure the self-described “progressive” blogosphere will turn on Fitzgerald very soon (if they haven’t already.) I already see someone posting in a Canonfire comment that Fitzgerald is worse than Ken Starr.

  105. Don’t forget to check it out.

  106. SOD,

    You should put up a post abouat your show so we can live blog it–like RD does.

  107. Duh! Sorry, I missed the last line of your comment…

  108. I have a funny “your honor” story. English is my mother’s second language & when she first moved to the states my dad always watched the lawyer show “Iron Sides” Because the attorney’s on the show always addressed the court as “your honor” my mom thought that the word for judge was “your honor” and she would say things like “And then the your honor said that the jury had to disregard the witnesses testimony.” LOL I’m not sure how it “reads” but it is funny if you could “hear” it.

  109. DYB — I’ve seen that poster on cannonfire — that is the depth of their stupidity. The prosecutor who put away the REPUBLICAN IL gov. Ryan & successfully convicted Scooter Libby is now “worse then Ken Starr” because he dares to go after a DEMOCRAT closely connected to Teleprompter Jesus.

  110. This is an AP news headline: “Obama avoids stain of Chicago’s political scandals.”

    Also, I think once someone has opened a web page on your browser it should be in your cache for some time (depending on how often your cache is purged.) So it might still be possible to open that page from your computer’s memory.

  111. Johninca, don’t worry about the crop tool you dont really need that anyway 🙂

    and the Queens Gambit , isn’t that a Celtic music group ?? 😉

  112. It’s actually right

  113. Thank you swan, you’re really kind. I figured out how to do it but a doofus like me has to be shown every detail. The site that explains how to do those was good.

  114. The show– I’m curious how angie’s voice sounds; we’ll finally get to hear her.

  115. Obama supporters have seized on the alleged recorded statements of Governor Blagojevich contained in the indictment as proof that Obama refused to participate in “pay for play.”

    Obama’s refusal to pay the requested bribe in exchange for selecting his replacement in the Senate may have been based on moral principles.

    Yahhhh right. Blago was just plain stupid. He knew he was being investigated, and was probably being wire tapped, and he still spoke flagrantly. Obama is too cunning for that—he knows how to use someone until he doesn’t need them anymore, and then he pitches them overboard. What does he need from Blago now? He would send “associates” to speak for him, but knowing Blago was being watched, he would not step in it. Leave no fingerprints behind…that doesn’t equate to innocence.

  116. I already see someone posting in a Canonfire comment that Fitzgerald is worse than Ken Starr.

    Seeking truth and justice without political motive–DAMN HIM!

  117. johninca — don’t get your hopes up — I speak New Orleans — its like New Jersey with a southern twang.

  118. they have closed ranks around Obama and are proclaiming his innocence.
    one columnist is gushing about what a great senator caroline kennedy would make.

    There is NO WAY Paterson is going to choose Kennedy now. After what happened today in IL, the appearance of quid pro quo would be impossible to ignore. He’s not suicidal.

  119. Angie – stop putting yourself down – you sound sassy! Your voice goes perfectly with your personality.

    🙂

  120. Angie- the story about your mother and ‘your honor’ reminds me of one about my daughter. When she was little, I would always warn her to stay away from knives by saying that they were ‘dangerous’. I realized the message was only half getting through when she started referring to knives as ‘dangerouses’,i.e., “Oh no my dangerous has peanut butter on it. “

  121. I think I’ll call in, angie– if the gals will deign to take my call, anyway.

  122. madamab — I can’t help it! I’m nervous!!!

  123. honora — LMAO! Yep, you got it!

  124. johninca — this is our first time so we are planning to take calls but at the same time we are kind of jammed packed — we are not sure how the timing is going to work.

  125. That’s cute, honora. Kids are so amazing. I’m so glad I decided to study children’s language development.

  126. It is amazing. We have Obie saying he did not talk to Blago when we know he did; we have Jackson Jr. saying he did not talk to Blago except to lay out his qualifications and bonafides. We are supposed to believe that a Flippin freakgin US Sen. seat available in Chi town was only recognized by Blago as a valuable commodity that could be sold for big returns. Blago is the only pol left in Chitown these days who can recognize an asset? Give me a break. Can Fitzgerald save this country without being assassinated?

  127. I’m on a Mac. Command shift 4 brings up crosshairs that you can drag over the portion of the screen you want to capture. The picture is saved to your desktop.

  128. I know you all really hope this is Obamageddon, but …

    Replace “Chicago” with “Arkansas” –this is Whitewater all over again. Smears but no real scandal.

    If people who profess to love Hillary fall for this phony scandal they should be ashamed of themselves. Find something that Obama is really guilty of and then post.

    Now, scrub my comment.

  129. The funny thing is that Obamabots talked about Whitewater during the primary as if it was a real scandal. Now suddenly they remembered that there was nothing to it… Weird, heh?

    Obamabots will never accept that there’s something to Obama that isn’t right. After all, he’s a miracle of nature who rose to the very top of Chicago politics, but did it in a way that left him untouched by the corruption of that system. From Reszko to Blago to Wright to Ayres – Obama was a mere acquaintance of all these people! Don’t you understand?! Obama is perfection itself!

  130. Michael57,

    What phony scandal are you talking about? Are you saying Blagojevich is innocent and Patrick Fitzgerald and the FBI are making things up? I really don’t get your point.

  131. michael57, huh? Are you serious? No real scandal? Then why is a sitting Governor from the state of Illinois sitting in jail? Did you not read the transcripts of his telephone calls talking about selling Obama’s Senate seat? Of course you did. As my late, great, dad would say, you’re as full of crap as a Christmas turkey.

  132. bb> I’m sure the point is that Obama has nothing to do with Blago. He never even met the man!

  133. Gee, Michael made a remark about “scrubbing” his comment. I *assumed* he would stay around to discuss his points. I guess it was just a hit and run.

  134. Speaking of children, you Obots are funny as you repeat different versions of the “Obama himself….” diversion.

    Of course you all purposely ignoring that the Feds complaint strongly indicates that someone(s) on Obama’s team was in fact negotiating with Blago and his team over the Senate seat and that Blago mentions the pay for play that “Obama himself” was involved in regarding Michelle Obama’s sudden career improvement as justification for his demands.

  135. Tom65, on December 11th, 2008 at 10:07 am Said:
    Again, what is it about the fact that Fitzgerald said that Obama is in no way connected to this scandal that confuses you? Is this the old “lack of evidence = evidence” argument?
    ———————————————————-

    I guess the same angle of the “fact that Fitzgerald didn’t indict Dick Cheney in relation to Valerie Plame’s name being leaked”, only Scooter Libby.

    nawww, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, even teh Shrub had noooo clue about this.

    HAH! uhbama’s complete diehard support for (get this) 3 criminally investigated losers is a big DING DING DING ring the bell moment, for people with BRAINS, TOMmy boy.

    Alexi Giannoulias? Check. Tony Rezko? Check. Blogejevich? Check.

    Each one of these people had clear ties and/or current criminal investigations during uhbama’s declaration of full support.

    Tom = FAIL

  136. rut roh admins; sorry, I copied tom’s comment for my response.

    Don’t hate the player, hate the game!

    🙂

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