It has been no secret to anyone who knows me personally, through family, work, friends and even sometimes complete strangers that I supported Hillary Clinton for President of the United States in 2008. It is also has never been a secret with any of them my complete outrage at the DNC’s for it’s treatment and the media’s sexist and misogynistic treatment of Hillary. Many times, both men and women looked down upon my truth telling. Sometimes, people got the point and understood. Mostly though, it was chalked up as politics. They wondered if I understood that. Which really pissed me off, because of course I understood it was politics. What they failed to recognize is that it wasn’t just politics as usual, it was sexist politics. I did my best to relate all the truth, through facts regarding the disparate treatment of Hillary and Sarah. I was looked at by many as a woman who was emotional and ready to blame all men for the ills of society. That I saw sexism lurking behind every corner and every comment and that I was reaching to make the point. Then I would get even more pissed because that denial by them of cold hard facts was sexist in itself. I haven’t given up on pointing it out where ever I can. I still argue, converse and try to get people to see it. They still think I am an over emotional, paranoid freak. A feminazi.
So it has been just about a month to the day of the election of Barack Obama as President of the United States. Now, most people want to know how I feel about Hillary being selected as Secretary of State. They seem very pleased with it and want to know if I am pleased as well. Like after all my bitching and moaning, Hillary finally got her due, her consolation prize, aren’t I finally happy? Wasn’t it wonderful of Obama to pick her? He put all that nastiness of the primary season behind him. Can’t I just forget what happened from January through August and be happy for Hillary and stop with all the sexist bullshit. This selection of Hillary should make me extremely happy. Well, not quite.
I am pleased that Hillary has an opportunity to do something she wants to do, and I am sure she will do a damn fine job as Secretary of State. I am pleased for the country because I know she can handle the position. That is politics. But that is no consolation for anything that happened during the primaries of 2008. Please make no mistake about it. I will not shut up about what happened this year because Hillary was picked as Secretary of State. I wish people would stop trying to make me accept the consolation prize. I reject it. I cringe when people ask me how I feel about it because they think I should feel great about it. That it makes everything else ok. In just asking the question of me they are pointing out to me that sexism isn’t as bad as I thought. They just don’t get it. It is no consolation. It addresses nothing that happened in the primaries. It is only used to try to help me forget what happened. Sorry to say, I won’t forget! Everyone will just have to listen to me point out sexism where it lurks, where it is in your face and when you can barely see it. I’m still pissed everyone. Sorry family, friends and co-workers and some strangers.
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Me , too! Thanks for the post. This gets right down to it.
Taggles: In just asking the question of me they are pointing out to me that sexism isn’t as bad as I thought. They just don’t get it. It is no consolation. It addresses nothing that happened in the primaries. It is only used to try to help me forget what happened. Sorry to say, I won’t forget! Everyone will just have to listen to me point out sexism where it lurks, where it is in your face and when you can barely see it. I’m still pissed everyone. Sorry family, friends and co-workers and some strangers.
Why apologize? I’m not and I am still furious about what happened, the complicit silence about what happened, the condescension from people who think that I should be happy now that Hillary will be SOS. The whole thing – just thinking about it again give me a flaming headache.
I am so delighted to see one of my all time favorite voices out there become a new front pager! Excellent post, taggles!!!
And so true. It is like buying a car that turns out to be a lemon but you should be happy that the radio works!
Keep speaking up and out, your POV is most welcomed! And try to think of way to run for political office here in MA where that voice may be heard far and wide.
Delphyne,
it wasn’t really an apology, just sorry, I’m not changing, not forgetting no matter how hard you try to make me.
My friends get how I feel. They don’t feel that way and are just “glad” the dems are in. Of course I’m happy that the country is blessed with Hillary as SOS.That begs the question why the person most qualified isn’t running the whole show.We all know why and won’t forget it.
Thanks to the msm and the new democratic party when we could of had a diamond for president we got a zircon.
The fact that the diamond is now offered SOS does not alter the facts.
Did anyone else notice the SOS is also the universal distress signal
Gee do you think the country will need all the help it can get in the next four years.
I am on a personal boycott of all sponsers of msm during the holiday spending.
I am writing 3 books of recipes, one for each of my daughters and writing 4 memory books, one for each of my children.
I will start them and they and their children can add to them.
This is my small way of making a point that sexism is not acceptable and will not be tolerated.
WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM, AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
Taggles, I know. I just get the feeling that many of those who think that the consolation prize should be enough expect us to say we’re sorry for making everyone feel uncomfortable by pointing out the sexism and misogyny. I’m with you – I’m not forgetting, either.
Thanks for this post.
I’ve had my fill of “are you happy NOW??”
Maybe I’ll just print this and hand it out instead of responding.
OT but possibly of interest:
Congressman says Obama’s replacement must be black:
http://tinyurl.com/6o2jf5
His choice of Hilary for the SoS shows Obama’s big heart. He let her play on his team in the position that has been tested for females and found to be okay for our natures. He is such a thoughtful, protective, kind gentleman and, clearly, he was the one best for the presidency. I don’t understand why you are still fussing about what is now water under the bridge.
Yeah, my rage still stands too. Growing in buckets.
I do not wish to have my granddaughters be subject to this type of treatment in the future. If all they have to look forward to as women who wish to serve is a constant bleating against their gender they will become discouraged.
We need a strong referendum against this form of bias and someone with a voice to summon the troops. Who that will be, or what form it will take is the question.
catarina – WHAT? Well, if that is the case, then Gov. Patterson can just appoint a woman to fill Hillary’s place, can’t he? I did sign Madamab’s petition to him to do just that.
Apparently Paterson doesn’t think it’s important to appoint a woman to HRC’s seat.
But a petition will be presented to the governor of IL requesting a black appointee.
Bros before Hos, I guess.
Please circulate and sign madamab’s petition, to be presendted to Governor Paterson:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/clintonwoman/index.html
This is the year of color before country.
Do not need to pick the qualified no matter what color just pick the color.
Generations will curse us for this year.
WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
I too am stil pissed and no mater what he givesas a consolation prize it does not right or justfy or make up for the wrongs committed by The One and his followers.
I will never shut up unless they expose and throw out the illigitimate bum!
CQ
Excellent post. Thanks for helping me feel I am not all alone.
I am really not into Hillary’s career – so I felt really isolated these past few days. My motives lie in things like stolen votes, sexism, deception – and no “prize” to any politician will change what was taken from me as voter and as a woman this year.
I just read my horoscope for today Virgo.
Said sometimes your crazy ideas take fruit.
Today maybe you will get help carrying them out.
Anybody want to join my boycott of sponsers of the msm?
WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM, AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
You are so right, Taggles. The election of Obama only validated the sexism. We have to keep fighting and fighting harder. We have to speak out every time we can against the vile pinpricks of sexism. It has harmed our country and is harming our nation by keeping the best people out of office (and in many more ways at every level of life).
helenk — I’ve been boycotting the MSM so long I don’t even know the names of the sponsors. But I would boycott them. Guess I will have to ask my husband to tell me who they are. He still loves the tube.
No need to apologize here taggles! I am not just pissed, I am white hot angry, and it’s not abating. I cried when I watched HRC at the press conference. It was just another reminder of what has been lost, and the injustice of it all. For me, IT’S ALL ABOUT THE FRAUD. The sexism was/is horrendous, but he is illegitimate because he secured the nomination through voter fraud, intimidation, and suppression. That violates our fundamental democracy. Now he claims to represent the security and evolution of that same democracy? Not in my mind–ever. I know Hillary will do what she always does–she will perform with excellence, courage, grace, and incredible stamina. I will enjoy watching her stride across the world stage. I felt safer walking through an airport on Monday, just knowing she will be watching our backs. That, however does NOTHING to resolve what we know to be true from the primary season. There is no consolation prize that will compensate for what she earned and deserved–what we all deserve. I have had several people tell me, “It’s just politics–it’s just a game.” No–then Nixon and Bush/Cheney were just a game too? The problem is most people do not realize the extent of what they did–the race-baiting, the misogyny, the corruption, the constant lying and hypocrisy. $600,000,000 and a pathetic press buys a lot of cover. I will cheer Hillary in her own right, but I will not be cheering for him. She schooled him through the primaries, and now we are supposed to be pleased because the guy with 200 days in the Senate who insulted her foreign policy experience as “tea parties” wants her to do his work for him again? Fuggedaboutit.
taggles said:
‘They just don’t get it. It is no consolation. It addresses nothing that happened in the primaries. It is only used to try to help me forget what happened. Sorry to say, I won’t forget! Everyone will just have to listen to me point out sexism where it lurks, where it is in your face and when you can barely see it. I’m still pissed everyone. Sorry family, friends and co-workers and some strangers.’
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Oh, gawd, AMEN to ALL THAT, taggles! I reject this stupid ‘consolation prize’ as well – and we’re supposed to forget all that happened in the primaries and GE – the thuggery, the caucus fraud, the sexist attacks – because, y’know, there’s a dark-skinned MAN in the White House now, and all will be well with the US and the world!
About the world – didja see that vid of idjit MSNBC anchor expressing her erstwhile hope (not just those of supporters) that terrorism would have died down in the world (Mumbai, India, e.g.) with the election of BH0? How dumb is THAT?
And the beat goes on….THANK YOU, taggles, FOR EXPRESSING MY FEELINGS AND THOUGHTS so succinctly.
Sorry? Hah! Whatever for? I’m sure you were just a tad sarcastic about that “sorry.” They’ll get their hopes drained away by B0’s actions soon enough.
helenk: I have felt a large-scale boycott would have been the best way to fight back against the MSM since the beginning, but I don’t know how to organize it, and no one else ever did. That’s the only thing they care about–money–so it’s the best weapon to use against them. Let us know if/how you are going to proceed.
This time was NOT just politics. This was a concerted effort on the part of the DNC wingnuts, Barack and the influences behind him which was hatched as early as 2004 and meant to derail any other contender even if it meant subverting our democracy.
The icing was the RBC. It wasn’t just undemocratic, it was at the very least morally, if not legally criminal.
Plus the DNC’s faux roll call made me realize that we have no democracy in the democratic party. None.
I’m with you. I won’t get over it and I am not happy that once again a woman who is 10 times better for the task at hand must play second fiddle to “That One”.
About the world – didja see that vid of idjit MSNBC anchor expressing her erstwhile hope (not just those of supporters) that terrorism would have died down in the world (Mumbai, India, e.g.) with the election of BH0? How dumb is THAT?
libbygurl: what idiot said that? Though I’m not surprised. The magical thinking surrounding BO is so absurd, they thought the entire world would transform just by elevating him to office. He doesn’t actually have to DO anything you see. South Park did a hilarious take-off on it. There was a huge BO party with kegs etc. People were getting drunk, rocking back and forth, chanting “change, change, change!” One guy told off his boss, and said, “It’s ok, because it’s ALL different now, because BO was elected!” He was fired, and woke up with a hangover saying, “I KNEW I should have voted for McCain!”
We must also keep in mind, first and foremost, that is was women who stuck the knife into Hillary’s back from the beginning. When organizations like NOW and NARAL chose to turn their backs on a candidate whose past actions helped to support their causes in favor of one who had yet to show support for women, this was the straw that broke the camel’s back. It paved the way for other women to abandon the feminist movement and give license to the male.
Feminism died this year. Long live feminism.
Great post, taggles. I hope that you become a regular writer here.
I agree with it all, but I have to tone down the politics and focus on what little is positive or I feel that I’m going to die.
Jeez, terrorism was supposed to die down with B0’s selection? How much dumber can ya get. Hasn’t he cured AIDS yet already?
Give me a break. Didn’t they see that display of sabre-rattling the Russians did right after the US election? Have a feeling they wouldn’t have been more careful if they’d been dealing with an old military man like McCain instead of a young-ish overconfident inexperienced expensive empty suit.
Hillary will be saving him from his own mistakes much of the time, I think.
Fif
I am not an organizer but if many of us here boycotted the sponsers and told 5 other people about the boycott and once or twice a week, e-mailed the sponsers and explained why we will not buy their products maybe they would get the point.
I do not know what else to do to express my outrage and anger toward what seems to be acceptable to some.
WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
Pat: not just NOW & NARAL either, but the endorsement of so many women. Oprah built her entire brand on “empowering women” and promised HRC if she ever ran, she’d support her. That is, until a black man came along. And Caroline Kennedy–because her KIDS liked him!? And Sebellius, Napolitano, Rice (who Bill elevated in his own administration), McCaskill, et. al. I cannot comprehend how they did not recognize her superiority and feel excited about smashing the glass ceiling? I guess Hillary is just not “groovy” enough.
Thank you, thank you, taggles!
I thought I was the only one that was hearing “Are you stupid women happy now? Stop confusing me with the facts!”
“Just politics” is such a dangerous meme. The way that we change our daily lives in America is through the application of politics. We do not transfer power through war, but through peaceful (although corrupt) elections.
Obama and his enablers in both parties and the media have done enormous damage to the daily lives of Americans – daily lives that are already under siege from the disastrous policies of the Bush Administration. Look at how Obama’s voice was used (without protest) to curtail the rights of the LGBT community in California to get married. And who knows if that HHS rule that Bush is pushing, which prevents women from getting health care and birth control to which they are lawfully entitled, will be overturned by pro-lifer Tom Daschle as HHS Secretary?
This is only the beginning.
“Just politics,” my ass.
If we refuse to admit that politics are
I don’t think Obama picked Hillary for SoS as a consolation prize. Obama could care less about consoling anyone except himself.
I think she demanded it in return for her support. She also happens to be the best person for the job.
Welcome aboard Taggles!
whooops – last line should be deleted…multi-tasking! LOL
myiq – I think Taggles’ point was that WE are supposed to be consoled by his pick of HRC.
Nagahapin.
I agree with myiq. I think Obama got a front seat view of just how fierce, brilliant, and hard-working HRC is. He is going to use her stature and skills, because he sure as hell doesn’t know how to do it. She also recognizes the mess Bush has left behind and feels obligated to repair as much damage as she can. I’m with RD: I’m going to just see her as the Foreign President, and continue to ignore him.
Console us?
Why would Obama care about consoling 6-7 paranoid shrieking holdouts?
Politico’s article yesterday about Obama’s fundraising and fundraisers kept repeating how “fresh” they thought he was.
Apparently Democratic fundraisers crave novelty at the expense of anything else.
fif —
Here’s the vid with the idjit MSNBC anchor who said the world would become so benign with BH0’s selection:
http://reddragon62.blogspot.com/2008/12/cnn-anchor-baffled-obamas-election-did.html
Magical thinking, indeed!
Having no true idea of what transpired, I tend to agree with myiq on how they arrived at this appointment. Whatever the outcome, I believe it was made in Obama’s self interest, not Hillary’s.
She had 18 million votes in her column. She probably knew her time was now, not 4 to 8 years from now. She probably also knew that by demanding a fair and transparent roll call vote which could have easily ended up in her favor, she would have alienated the Obots and the AA community. By playing her hand, she got the most visible role in his administration at least. He took the bait since he needed some of those 18 million votes to carry him over the line. The deal was quid pro quo.
He may resent her but he needed her. And she to a large extent needed him to win. Thus, SoS and an Obama presidency. Politics. A very dirty game.
EXACTLY!!
I love you, Taggles and I am still pissed as well. I will not shut up and I do not accept not see this as a consolation prize. She should have been our nominee and our president. We can never forget what happened and I refuse to celebrate in any kumbaya moment about electing a black president. It was NEVER about the color of his skin. I’m sick of this shit, too and I will never let go.
Myiq – Obama does not give a sh*t about consoling us. It’s all the Bots that think we should be consoled.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
😉
Besides, hearing you talk about the bastids is a source of great joy for me so please don’t shut up.
libbygurl: That is Alex Witt, an MSNBC airhead who is shilling the company line over there.
However, once he replaces those lost icecaps which keep falling into the sea on an hourly basis, I will then be assured that he is indeed the real thing. Oh, and as soon as he cures the common cold as well.
I am not asking for much.
Thank you for laying it out. It’s NOT simply “politics” to falsely slap the label of Racist on substantial voting demographic simply to take advantage of news cycles, narrative, party rules and transitory polls.
The longterm damage done by this cynical and opportunistic tactic from Obama, his campaign, and his supporters can’t simply be brushed aside as just business as usual.
No, I won’t erase it from memory and Yes, this will play into how I direct my own affairs in future. Party affiliations and candidate support will depend on circumstances and performance. Principles shouldn’t have to be sacrificed for fashion. Count me as another feminist — a supporter of global human rights — for life.
Great post taggles! I agree completely.
Why would anyone think for a moment that Hillary is being handed to us as a consolation prize? Has this man ever in his life shown any respect for women? That deal was signed, sealed, and delivered sometime this summer. Had it not been, does anyone seriously think for a moment that after he won the election he would have done so out of the goodness of his heart?
He could not bother to attend Granny’s funeral service and we are to believe he thought enough of us Hillary holdouts that he would consider this on his own? No way!
This appointment more than likely took place at that meeting in Dianne Feinstein’s residence when none of us was looking.
I’m not outraged for Hillary. To these politicians, including Hillary, it’s just all politics. They kick each others asses, they call each other r**csts, then they have coffee later.
It’s just a big game to them.
I am outraged for women, because the primary showed that women haven’t gotten far at all.
…and the reality is, once the primary was over, Hillary didn’t stand up for women either. She should be held to account too, shouldn’t she?
She let Obama rake her through the mud, and what did she do in the end? She went to work for him. What a shitty thing to do. Our outrage for her was for nothing.
YEAH. Are you kidding me? We will never forget. PUMAs should stick together.
I was just thinking, IF Hillary had won the presidency, she would NOT have picked Obama to be anything in her cabinet or administration, since he is qualified for NOTHING. He would likely have gone on to make speeches which he read from teleprompters for a very large sum – I do not think he liked being my senator from Illinois very much.
I had a very bad disagreement with a female relative over Thanksgiving because I dared to defend Sarah Palin and even suggested that she had more qualifications than Obama to be president since she is a governor and has at least balanced a budget. The roof came down on my head for that one!
I agree that it is women who abandoned Hillary and unless and until women like a woman candidate, we will never have a woman pres. As many young women were noted to have said about Obama, “He makes me feel good”. It’s so nice to have a man around the house, I guess some think. Even a deceptive, abusive, unqualified, inexperienced man is better than no man in the White House, some say. Remember the Virginia Slims, We’ve come a long way baby, commercials. Well, Truth is, we haven’t come far enough, not yet, no way, no how.
I was trying to point out how it is perceived by people I know and how they just want me to get over this. It really has nothing to do with Obama and Hillary. Also, how they look at it as an excuse to minimize my thoughts, feelings and facts I present.
It has everything to do with vote stealing, corruption, sexism, misogyny, and the top down pick of a nominee.
The primary season was a mess, a un mitigated disasster.
The primary season was all about getting to know your favorite sewer rats up close and personal and discovering they came in all sizes, shapes, and gender.
If Hillary had been the Dem nominee, she would have picked Obama as her VP without hesitation.
He might have turned it down but I doubt it.
Had she been the nominee it would be hoped that she flicked him off her shoulder as easily as he flicked her off his.
Nobody I know has dared ask me how I feel about Hillary as SOS. Honestly, I’m glad she got it, because I think the plan all along was to completely phase the Clintons out of the party. I think she was facing insurmountable forces, and she emerged with a damned fine prize and plenty of leverage to boot. I’m not saying I have forgiven or forgotten. As far as I am concerned, this election has reminded us, ever so unpleasantly, that misogyny is alive and well, but Hillary made them notice her despite daily beatings by the media and members of her own party. Good for her. She has made me proud. Now I’m back to being pissed off.
myiq – Yes, she would have.
And he would have been serving tea to diplomats in no time.
😉
susan h @ 12:24,
Beautifully said!
Rendell called sexist for ‘no life’ remark
Rendell’s words were picked up by an open microphone at the podium of the National Governors Conference, held yesterday morning at Independence Hall.
“Janet’s perfect for that job,” Rendell is heard to say. “Because for that job, you have to have no life. Janet has no family. Perfect. She can devote, literally, 19, 20 hours a day to it.”
snip
“If a man had been Obama’s choice for the job, would having a family or not having a family ever even have been an issue?” Brown said.
“Is there an assumption that if you’re family-free then you have no life? By some, yes,” she continued.
“Your comments do perpetuate stereotypes that put us in boxes, both mothers and single women.”
The previous two heads of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff and Tom Ridge – were men with families, but did anyone question their devotion? she asks.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20081203_Rendell_called_sexist_for_no_life_remark.html
it’s just totally embedded in our society ..
Apparently China is none to happy that Judas has been named as Secy of Commerce. Apparently our dislike of him goes far beyond our shores!
Taggles, thank you so much – you said exactly what is still to this day making my Italian blood boil.
It’s the dishonesty of it all – the election was stolen, women were trashed and not one of those “GD representatives of the people” said one effing word about it – not one of them stepped up to expose any of it or object to it – even to this day. aaahuuuughghg! 👿
Taggles,
Great to see your post and thank you for being an informed and strong voice for things right and good.
One thing that has stuck in my craw is that the SoS is now seen as the female role of the Cabinet. A few weeks ago I actually heard some chattering head say, “If Gates stays at Defense, then that assures that a woman has to be SoS.” IMO that is wrong on so many levels — it says, now that we have the one with the “junk” in his rightful “hunter” place, we can afford to have a wimmin folk in the SoS role.
To suggest Hillary is the place holder so that the junkmeisters can run the stuff that really counts is, in many ways, more infuriating than the travesty foisted upon us by the RBC on May 31st.
One more thing while I’m at it (see Taggles you hit a nerve with me) like you, when my Obanaut friends say to me, “What will it take to make you happy and forget all this?” My reply has always been, “A way-back machine to right the wrongs of the primary and short of that, fixing the primary system so these wrongs will never again be visited. Once we have been through a few primaries where thugs don’t thrive and prosper, I might be happier, but I will never forget.”
Prolix – Really? Hollleeee crap! SecState is a hugely important job. That is very sexist indeed!
BTW – did you see how HRC dissed Robert Gates at the press conference? She was supposed to introduce him and she didn’t – wouldn’t even look at him.
Something tells me Gates would have been out on his *ss had she been the President. Wes Clark would have been her choice, or perhaps Dunwoody, the first female five-star general!
Interesting that Judas got a press conference all to himself.
We are all seething about how this election was delivered from so many angles one hardly knows where to begin. But are we really expecting others to see it through our lens when we show little if any moral outrage triggered against unnecessary wars, poisoned food supplies, faulty toys, the ability to obtain affordable insurance, unaccountability from Wall Street barons, mortgage foreclosures, jobs being shipped overseas, CIA operatives being outed, a loss of habeas corpus, high cost pharmaceutical drugs, industry bailouts, Halliburton, global warming?
Most sit back on their fat backsides with the remote in hand and let complacency rule. It will take a lot more than just us to make a difference.
Let’s face it, most people just don’t care.
madamab — actually I don’t even trust B0 to have tea with diplomats — no telling what stupid thing will come out of his mouth. God, please, please, since B0 has basically publicly admitted that Hillary is more qualified to run things, can the electoral college go ahead & elect her instead?
I’m with all those don’t believe Obama offered Hillary SoS. This is what she asked for in return for her support at the meeting at Diane Fienstein’s house. Hillary realized that her chances of winning the Presidency were gone. SoS was the job she probably wanted most after the Presidency itself. And she made Barky pay through the nose. Not only did he have to break his promises to Kerry and Richardson (good times!), but Hillary got the job on her own terms. And the appointment has sent Obama supporters in the media into a tailspin (more fun!) I think Ted Kennedy must have had a heart-attack when he heard the news just a couple of weeks after publicly slapping Hillary by refusing to give her a role in his health-care initiative. (Good times all around!) The shock and awe this announcement created among Obama supporters is one of the few silver linings in this whole thing for me!
Took a break from posting to catch up on some work at my office and also because I feel like we are beating our heads against a wall.
It is going to take all women standing up and saying, Not no, but hell NO! From where I stand, just doesn’t seem like that is going to happen. Yesterday the women in the office downstairs discovered that a man doing the same job they do, is being paid 30% more, even though one of the women has been with the company 8 years longer. I thought all hell would break lose, but the women actually said crap like “he has a family” and “well thank God I have a husband”.
As long as women continue to allow this to happen it is going to happen. IMHO, Hillary accepting the position was wrong. I don’t know that I would have turned it down and God knows I can’t judge her, but she was in a position to take the 18 million behind her and shake some things up and she didn’t, she went with the status quo.
I’m disappointed and still banging my head against the wall.
18 million votes count for basically nothing if you are in the Senate. Kerry got 50 million in 2004, and what did that get him? What matters is seniority.
Madamab, I did see Gates having to meander himself to the mic. One thing that Axelrove might not have programmed correctly is that Gen. Jones is a big Hillary fan and while Obama and Nancy are dealing with the economy, Hillary and Gen. Jones can make the world a safer place.
I know it takes a lot more than 18 million, but I am talking about starting a real movement for women.
She will be a big benefit to women around the world as sos.
Does anyone know what Hillary’s relationship with Jim Jones is like?
Pat Johnson, on December 3rd, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Here is an interesting fact. Obama always needed Hillary more than she needed him. Hillary wasn’t getting the AA votes in the primary. Obama has/did done enough damage there. There was also something else. More of his supporters were always willing to vote for her than hers were willing to vote for him. I think if Hillary had fought him at the convention and won, she would have won the GE as the exit polls revealed. She would have beaten McCain by more points. It was the Democratic superdelegates who were wimps. The lesson I learned from all this is that African Americans are more valued in the Democratic party than any other ethnic group.
:::smiles:::
I believe that consternation in the MSM will become one of the great delights of the rest of my life.
As others have said I will not ever forget but the sad thing is there is no talk of eliminating the super delegates. Without super delegates Obama would not have won , he would not have controlled the media during the primaries by rolling out a super delegate a day while he was losing that latter primaries and it would have had to go to the convention and real delegate votes would have been important. If that doesn’t change this nonsense will continue. Get mad but then start working to eliminate super delegates.
I’m also of the opinion that it wasn’t BO’s idea to offer the position. When a reporter asked him about it on Monday, he started out with the comment “It wasn’t a lightbulb moment.” Then “blah, blah, blah, blah” and ending with “That’s all you’re going to get.” That last statement implied that there is much more to the story.
Anyway, I’m with fif and RD: I’ll just ignore him and focus on our foreign president. One of the best things of all this is that we’ll get to see and hear her on a regular basis.
I’m with all those don’t believe Obama offered Hillary SoS. This is what she asked for in return for her support at the meeting at Diane Fienstein’s house.
I don’t think so because she was set on returning to the senate during and after the GE. Look at her website and she has this video about the things that she would want accomplished in the next year. She already had plans for the next year. The offer was a surprise and I agree that it wasn’t made in her best interest but in Obama’s or “them”(whoever they are that are supporting this fraud).
DYB,
It has been reported that Gen. Jones and Hillary respect and like one another and that had she won, he was in line for SoDef., Nat’l Sec. or even SoS.
I am hoping that this is the one last time ever that women will walk ten steps behind….women have to process what has happened in this election, watch and listen, raise their consciousness level and join those of us who got it way back when.
DYB – I think Hillary made Obama give her S.O.S. because she was shut out of Senate health care efforts by Ted Kennedy. I do believe it was a surprise. She was on no one’s short list and had not been vetted. There were no plans to include her in the Cabinet, and on November 4, she declared herself uninterested in serving under the Obama Administration. Something changed, didn’t it?
I believe she had been promised UHC in return for her endless campaigning, and Ted Kennedy f*cked her over. No one says no to the dying liberal lion of the Senate whose last name is Kennedy.
That’s why she went to Obama and demanded that she be SOS, on her own terms.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!
🙂
This has been a brutal and frustrating year for women, and we didn’t get there, and it seems that nothing has changed.
But is that really true? HRC was beaten (as in whipped) by her own party and the MSM, but she has not gone away. Palin likewise was trashed by the MSM and lots of dems, many of them women of my acquaintance, but likewise, she has not and is not going away.
And neither of these candidates was a ‘pretty girl’ candidate just present to be ‘historic.’ As we well know, there was no kid glove handling of either woman. HRC was a heavyweight and Palin is a -wis it called a middle weight? – but coming strong for the future. They were real contenders, despite the best efforts of operatives and the MSM. And the tea party, iron my shirt thing is never going to work again on HRC. I think she is going to defeat a lot of the misogyny by enduring through it and emerging out of it, literally living it down. And hey, maybe that’s a yin/woman specialty. She’s a mountain.
It’s not the progress I was expecting, but I’ll take it and I’ll wait for the next hand to be dealt and look at the new cards in hand and figure out how best to play.
I’m not convinced that the future is going to look like the past. I think the changes are brewing but not fully developed where we can see them.
This year changed my mind, my perspective and my attitude so much that I am a different person doing different things with a different focus. I’m far from alone. Who can say what will be the outcome of the energy we put in.
All I can say that come January 20th when one idiot departs and another is sworn in, I will be AWOL from that “event”. They can pan the camera on all those fools standing in the freezing cold with their tears frozen on their adoring faces and know in my heart I did the right thing by rejecting this stolen primary.
Like taggles, as much as we hated the sexism that came out of this campaign, the loss of liberty, our votes, the struggle to maintain fairness, the sell outs and those willing to go along with this charade is what sticks in my craw as well. Watching this “historical triumph” will only bring those facts home to those of us who saw through it for what it is.
A wholesale manufacture of an unqualified and undeserving candidate whose one claim to fame lays in the color of his skin. Those tears in my eyes will be of regret and I have no intention of taking any small part in this shameless display of “history”.
Let history find its own way in time and not be created for us.
How do I get rid of the snapshots? I am using IE and they are too disturbing if one wants to click on the other sites
Downticket:
Dunno, I’m still trying to get rid of flashbacks from the Seventies.
madamab> Why would Obama agree to Hillary’s terms *after* November 4th?
Therealkim@1:07p
Nothing makes me see red more than some idiot saying “well he has a family”. Thank God i have a husband.
For many years I had to hear how I was only working for extras.
I had the medical insurance, and the higher salary that supported 4 children, I worked the crazy hours and put up with the stupidity.
Yes it was worth it in the end but damn I hate stupid women who parrot excuses for sexism.
To not speak up when things are unacceptable is being a coward and keeping the status quo.
WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
“Palin likewise was trashed by the MSM and lots of dems, many of them women of my acquaintance, but likewise, she has not and is not going away.”
Not only has she not gone away, but Chambliss wanted Palin to campaign for him in the crucial final days of the run-off.
Taggles,
I think these O-bots and the ones who voted “for the Democrat” want (unconsciously) for us to act happy so they can be obsolved of their own guilt for not standing up for what is right. I don’t know that many Obama fanatics, but I do know a lot of supposedly intelligent, reasonable people who voted for him and were willing to overlook all the misogyny and fraud. I’m not going to get over it either. Never.
DYB, on December 3rd, 2008 at 1:51 pm Said:
madamab> Why would Obama agree to Hillary’s terms *after* November 4th?
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Oh what a good question that the pro-Hillary SOS people forget. Obama can’t be trusted.
Did Obama camapign for Chambliss?
DYB – Because she made him. What they agreed to did not come to pass, and he owed her big-time. Do you really think he would have passed up John Kerry as SOS, or Bill Richardson, if he didn’t have to?
She is a politician. Never underestimate her.
Pat,
January 20 is my b-day! it has sucked last three election seasons!
😦
Sorry taggles!
NEW POST UP!!
taggles: A good excuse to get online and get virtually drunk together!
Teresaa, on December 3rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm Said:
Thank you; that is exactly how I feel. I even wrote to her, asking her not to abandon her seat in the Senate to become a scapegoat for that one. We need her there more than ever to champion the causes she has worked on for decades. Yet she still went to kiss his patooty, I mean, work in his adminstration. I am disappointed in her decision and am reminded my voice means nothing on the national level.
From Taggles- “…Sorry to say, I won’t forget! Everyone will just have to listen to me point out sexism where it lurks, where it is in your face and when you can barely see it. I’m still pissed everyone. Sorry family, friends and co-workers and some strangers.”
I’m right there with you, Taggles.
no problem madamab, going to read now1 🙂
madamab> How did Hillary make him? She couldn’t make anyone in the Senate take her seriously or even show the least bit of acknowledgment of her campaign and gratitude for all the campaigning she did for so many of them. How could Hillary make the President-elect and David Axelrod do what she wants after he’s already won the election? I’m not sure I understand the sentence: “What they agreed to did not come to pass, and he owed her big-time.”
Downticket> Obama recorded a radio commercial for the guy running against Chambliss, but did not make any personal appearances. Bill Clinton did.
Downticket,
Don’t forget that Hillary and Bill weren’t sure that Obama could win the election. Of course she had to plan for her next run for the Senate, etc.
DYB – How did she make him? Um, because he owed her massively? 79 campaign appearances ring a bell? Don’t you think she could make his life very difficult if he didn’t do what she wanted? Do you forget who her husband is?
As I said, she is a politician, and a very gifted one.
As for the sentence you don’t understand, this is my opinion: They agreed that she would take on health care in the Senate. Ted Kennedy reneged. She then decided she was going to be Secretary of State. Obama acquiesced.
I don’t understand why people paint Hillary as a victim. She most emphatically is not. She is a survivor. She has survived 17 years of the VRWC and the attempts by her own Party to destroy her and her husband. And now, she is one of the most powerful people in the world.
I have a hard time seeing her as a loser in this, apart from the obvious fact that she should have been president. The fix was clearly in from both parties. She has done what she always does: She has bloomed where planted.
As for Obama, he finally did something that was good for the country. Because of that fact, I find it impossible to believe it was his idea.
bostonboomer, on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:21 pm
But Hillary put up that video after Obama had won including the things that needed to be done.
perries, on December 3rd, 2008 at 1:28 pm Said:
This has been a brutal and frustrating year for women, and we didn’t get there, and it seems that nothing has changed.
But is that really true? HRC was beaten (as in whipped) by her own party and the MSM, but she has not gone away. Palin likewise was trashed by the MSM and lots of dems, many of them women of my acquaintance, but likewise, she has not and is not going away.
And neither of these candidates was a ‘pretty girl’ candidate just present to be ‘historic.’ As we well know, there was no kid glove handling of either woman. HRC was a heavyweight and Palin is a -wis it called a middle weight? – but coming strong for the future. They were real contenders, despite the best efforts of operatives and the MSM. And the tea party, iron my shirt thing is never going to work again on HRC. I think she is going to defeat a lot of the misogyny by enduring through it and emerging out of it, literally living it down. And hey, maybe that’s a yin/woman specialty. She’s a mountain.
It’s not the progress I was expecting, but I’ll take it and I’ll wait for the next hand to be dealt and look at the new cards in hand and figure out how best to play.
I’m not convinced that the future is going to look like the past. I think the changes are brewing but not fully developed where we can see them.
This year changed my mind, my perspective and my attitude so much that I am a different person doing different things with a different focus. I’m far from alone. Who can say what will be the outcome of the energy we put in.
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This was brilliant. I thought it bore repeating.
madamab, on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:28 pm
How exactly can BC or Hillary make Obama’s life difficult? As long as Obama has the media he is untouchable.
Someone had Obama offer her SOS. If Hillary really had the kind of power you suggest, she could have made Obama make Reid offer her anything she wanted in the senate.
The Senate doesn’t work that way. Reid would have to screw someone else to give Hillary what she wanted. He would not do that. He was planning to “create” a new position for her.
I’m not painting Hillary as a victim. I’m saying she demanded SoS in June, not after the election. I’m not sure I believe that Obama would do anything for Hillary because he owes her. I’ve seen nothing in his character that shows that kind of integrity. A lot of people in the Senate owe the Clintons – it didn’t stop any of them from stabbing them in the back. Including *after* the 2008 election! How many people Hillary campaigned for this fall stood up for her as Ted Kennedy slammed the door in her face and Harry Reid rambled on about creating some special new position for Hillary? Not a peep from anyone! I think the SoS deal was worked out between Hillary and Obama long before the election.
I’m going to put on a tinfoil hat and take the deal between Hillary and Obama a step further: I think Obama tried to back out! The news of Hillary being offered the position leaked early and I saw many news reports that Obama’s people were furious and blamed Clinton’s camp for the leaks. I’m suggesting that Obama tried to break the deal Hillary made with him back in June and her camp started the drumroll for the SoS appointment as a way to force him to honor it.
What does everyone think? Too much Oliver Stone?
Regency, on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I know so then he would have created something. Since Obama and “them”(his backers) managed to threaten and get SDs to support him, I am certain they would have somehow found away to give Hillary the position or something she wanted. These are the same people that made sure Obama got delegates he didn’t earn and some of Hillary because of exit polls. There is nothing this gang can’t do if they really want it.
They didn’t want it, DT, that’s the point. No position has power unless it’s acknowledged by others. A new position would likely hold no weight because they’d know it was just given to her as appeasement. “You got what you wanted, now shut it” seems like a fair assessment of their behavior in that instance.
DYB – with my tinfoil hat on, I think she initially turned him down. Then someone who was behind the idea of her as SOS leaked the news. Hillary is needed out of the senate. After some of the positive reviews from abroad, Hillary might have began to like the idea of being SOS. Kennedy denying her the sub-committee must have played an important role in her decision.
Great post!
I’ve had more than one person ask me what I think of Hillary’s appointment to SOS. And when they see the look on my face they ask “Don’t you think she’s qualified?” Yes. Of course she’s qualified. I just don’t want to see Obama use her as a doormat for the next four years.
And, no. It doesn’t in any way, shape or form undo the disgusting orgy of sexism and misogyny we were just subjected to. Remember when McCain’s selection of Palin was supposed to be insulting? Well, IMO, this move by Obama is insulting on so many levels. Where to begin!
I posted and then went off to get lunch. I had one thought I wanted to reprise from my post above.
The MSM, candidates and operatives tried very hard to paint both Clinton and Palin in traditionally misogynistic ways – as little women who had no business being there – but the fact is that it did not stick and they can’t make it stick.
Yes it sticks with some of the people some of the time. The CDS and the PDS, but look at the facts. Poll numbers indicated more would have voted for Clinton than did vote for Obama. And Palin is now The Closer for the republicans and given them a hope and a direction for the future.
I guess I’m trying to say, they are legitimate players and I think both are harbingers of the future and their legitimacy is already saying something about the present.
My feelings exactly!
Even down here in Australia I’m getting the same thing, “well, aren’t you HAPPY that Hillary is SoS?” It has taken a few days for me to be able to learn to keep from going into a rage with that question.
We all love Hillary but I think what we fail to realize that above all else she is a politician. I think maybe Regency pointed this out some weeks ago.
She does not lead a cult like Obama because the admiration we feel is based on her own achievements and she has earned her place in that realm. Some of us have been disappointed recently and I admit to being one. But that being said, we need to look pragmatically at her decision and stop trying to invent reasons to the whys and wherefores.
She remains what she has always been: a good person. The best she can offer is what is best for us as a nation. I have come to terms with it.
For Sarah fans.
Chambliss Credits ‘Cuda: “When She Walks in a Room, Folks Just Explode”
http://patriotroom.com/chambliss-credits-cuda-when-she-walks-in-a-room-folks-just-explode/
I don’t like the idea of Hillary Clinton serving in an Obama Administration since I consider that an Obamanation is an abominiation. I loathe and detest him and cannot for the life of me see how she can go to work for him. We can parse words all we want to but that is the fact. She will be working for him. He sets the agenda. He will be the president.
That all said, and I too am disappointed in her for joining his administration she is a politician. A breed for which I have very little respect. I may feel differently about what she has chosen to do later on. I hope so. Right now I am just profoundly disappointed in her. Not for being a politician, I always knew that; but for being just another politician. And that I find sad.
Rock on! I agree with the final paragraph.
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kenoshaMarge, on December 3rd, 2008 at 4:14 pm Said:
‘I don’t like the idea of Hillary Clinton serving in an Obama Administration since I consider that an Obamanation is an abominiation. I loathe and detest him and cannot for the life of me see how she can go to work for him. We can parse words all we want to but that is the fact. She will be working for him. He sets the agenda. He will be the president.
That all said, and I too am disappointed in her for joining his administration she is a politician. A breed for which I have very little respect. I may feel differently about what she has chosen to do later on. I hope so. Right now I am just profoundly disappointed in her. Not for being a politician, I always knew that; but for being just another politician. And that I find sad.’
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Exactly. A pol is a pol is a pol, to rephrase the old Woolf assertion.
I still don’t get it about the supposed ‘power’ of the Clintons in the Dem party today. How can one who was cheated out of the prez. nomination by thuggish means, then calmly decides to campaign for her primary opponent 79 time, have this ‘power’? Wherein does that power lie? In getting the SoS position? HRC and WJC couldn’t fight back the false accusations of ‘racism’ and ‘evil intent to assassinate Teh Fraud’, were beaten down by their own party, BH0 refusing to do a damned thing to help HRC pay off her campaign debts to vendors? and this is what possessing ‘power’ is supposed to look like? As someone else asked upthread – how exactly are the Clintons going to make life difficult for Teh Fraudulent One in exchange for the SoS appointment?
Golly gee, how could the Clintons have power?
The entire media, the DNC and the RNC tried to destroy them this year. The right-wingers and the media have been trying to do so for 16 years unassisted.
Are their political careers dead? Why, no. Do you all seriously think that just anyone can be Secretary of State? Do you think Obama wanted that to happen? Hell no. He did what they told him to.
LOL.
Are you all seriously blaming Bill and Hillary for surviving? What should they have done – thrown themselves on their swords? May I ask how that would have helped the American people?
Bill is a two-term President. Obama is the guy who almost broke the Democratic Party in two and is already pissing off his core constituencies before he’s even inaugurated. You honestly think he couldn’t do something to Obama? Like, undermine him in the press, or with his large donors?
I’m amazed.
I’ve yet to see anything done to BH0 that puts the advantage on the Clintons’ side. Power is getting what you want – the presidency was put outside the grasp of the Clintons, and Hillary had to play along to get along, and now she’s officially working for the BH0 administration. Where is HRC’s pet issues now – e.g., universal health care? Women’s and children’s issues?
Life for BH0 doesn’t seem to be too bad from the looks of it. He coasted through the primaries and GE, helped along by the Clintons.
The Clintons can actually ‘undermine BH0 in the press’??? You mean, that same press that has been, and continues to be Nazi-Goebbels-like in its propagandistic adoration and defence of Teh Fraud?
As it is, we’re all merely on the outside trying to get a look inside, and all we say here remains mere speculation on our part. I make no claim to knowing what is REALLY going on behind the headlines. Oftentimes, I even wonder if the Clintons give a freaking damn about how the American people think about anything that goes on in Washington – they’re deep in DC, fighting for their political survival against the odds – they’re good political animals, thus they’ll get through this whole mess relatively unscathed. Like pols, they keep their cards close to their vest.
This isn’t to say Hill and Bill haven’t done good, or accomplished a whole lot – just that they’re boxed in by the rules of their political world, and that’s just the reality of it. To ascribe to them more power, or more altruistic intent, might be wishful thinking on our part. My two cents – or less, with inflation.
You guys just aren`t pissed enough is the problem. These pigs keep pushing us around and we just keep taking it. They think they can always count on us because of the abortion issue. I have worked in corporate finance for years and the only way I have got any respect from guys is pushing back when they pushed me. That is the only way you get their respect. You have to earn it. Women just rather sit around and play the victim game. Ask yourself, how bad do you want it? I want it this bad. I am going to tell everyone I know to vote to change the face of congress to republican in the next election because Nancy Pelosi is such a traitor to women. She is an envious catty b!+ch who just couldn`t handle Hillary being top dog. I am not worried about any Roe v Wade issues because that is never going to change. There have been too many republican administrations. If it was going to change, it would have been changed by now. You have to teach people a lesson otherwise don`t complain when you keep getting treated the same. We all know what the definition of insanity is. So, decide, how bad do you want respect from the dems? There is a blatant fact here: THE DEMS HAVE NO RESPECT FOR WOMEN BECAUSE WE HAVE TAKEN THEIR BULL FOR YEARS. They just keep dangling a carrot in front of our nose. Then, once we get their respect, we can go back into the party and have a true voice. I know what I am talking about. I have been in corporate finance for 35 years and been successfully married for 35 years. People have to earn my respect. I don`t give it freely anymore. Wise up, take your power back. The ball is in our court. 52% of the population are women and we are not represented in that manner. Quit allowing slimeballs like Obama jerk you around. Take a lesson out of the Sal Alinsky book Rules for Radicals. Otherwise just keep bitching. GROW UP!
We can do this. Hold your nose and pull down the republican lever. Do it for your daughters, granddaughters and, for sisterhood. The next election is the time to do it. People will be pissed about Obama`s promises that he can`t deliver on. And what a time to screw him that he doesn`t have a democratic congress. He is an egomaniac. He won`t be able to stand it. The rage he will experience will be much worse than ours. How bad to you want it ladies? Just think about it, if 52% of the population votes republican we can win and screw Pelosi. We have sacrificed all of our lives. We`ve sacrificed for our families and for our children. We never sacrifice for our own rights. We can make history. Don`t just dismiss this idea. Spend some time and think about it. We have the power. IT`S OUR TURN. I want to give my granddaughters a better world to live in. Hillary was very loyal to the democratic party. She stood by Bill when he used and abused her. She deserved this job. She was qualified. She deserved better. Maybe in 4 years because of us she will get their respect and be the first women POTUS. She`s a great lady and America deserves her not Nancy Pelosi and Obama. How bad do you want it? They think we will all forget. Never forget. They made America look like a banana republic. CAN WE DO THIS? YES, WE CAN!