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Tuesday Evening Open Thread

I never said Obama was a progressive!

I never said Obama was a progressive!

Obama supporters discover that reality sucks.  Chambliss is leading in the Georgia run-off.

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140 Responses

  1. OMG!

    I know an O’Bot that looks just like that puppy! Damn! He even has that snarl when discussing Hillary!

    Hahaha…where did you find his picture?


  2. Obama is channeling Lynn Anderson!

    I beg yer pardon.
    I never promised you a rose garden!

  3. My cat BeBe is taking her insulin shots like a champ — we had to start upping her dose last night & didn’t get a wink of sleep because I kept checking her every 20 minutes to make sure she was still “alive.”

  4. Angienc: That is heroic effort. You should be proud of yourself. A family member had a diabetic cat and just couldn’t take it. It’s a tough row to hoe.

  5. Foo Foo went in for stitch removal today and ended up getting a couple new stitches.

    She is not happy with me right now.

  6. If I had to give one of my cats insulin shots they would get one shot and I would get 10 stitches.

  7. Teresaa — don’t start singing my praises just yet — its only been about eight days since she started treatment and for 4 of those she was at the vet’s while I went home for Thanksgiving. LOL

  8. Kisses to BeBe.

    That pup looks as though he’s yawning just as I do when an Obot tells me that I can’t expect Obama to live up to his campaign promises.

  9. Angienc: Well, whatever you do, know that you have the support of someone who knows just how HARD IT IS to treat an animal with diabetes. It can take over your life and that’s not necessarily a good thing.

    Whatever you decide is the best thing for everyone.

  10. myiq — I’m lucky it is my little 5 pound BeBe — (she is 16, she is just a tiny little thing) — she has always been pretty good (and easy to handle) when it came to giving her meds — although I never had to give her shots before. Now, if it was my 17 pound Monty he would just have to live with the diabetes untreated. Not that I wouldn’t want to treat him, but he plain old would not allow me to do it — he would run & hide & if I was “lucky” enough to catch him, he would scratch, spit & claw.

  11. Thank you Teresaa & JeanLouise!!

    and don’t worry, my BeBe isn’t going anywhere as long as I can help it (i.e., unless & until it is her “time” and/or the vet says she is in pain that can’t be “fixed”).

  12. myiq — what did Foo Foo do to herself that she had to get more stitches? She sounds like a little trouble maker to me — 😉

  13. AngieNC: I wish you all the very, very best!

  14. She tore some of her other stiches loose.

    I’m not allowed to examine her – she has claws and is not afraid to use them

  15. I just saw a camera commercial with a female tennis star (Maria Sharapova?) where people ask her if they can take a picture and when she says yes they take pictures of her dog!

    She has a cute dog but still!

  16. just as I suspected — a little trouble maker. LOL

    Did they give her one of those collars so she couldn’t tear them out again?

    bb — let me in on the joke — what is so funny about Gabrielle the Angel’s avatar? I just see a pink little thing.

  17. I’m playing with Google Earth, visiting places I’ve been before (like Germany)

  18. myiq — did you see the previous commercials? They ran last year — it was all Maria taking pictures of her dog Dolce (while he “narrated”) — I think the idea is that now because of those commercials Dolce is the “bigger” star. ha, ha, not that funny — but that’s the story line.

  19. Sarah Palin was about to lose all my sympathies when Bob Somerby, still the greatest, made me aware of the following:

    Attention must be paid: It’s the sheer arrogance that is so striking. Last night, Keith Olbermann was throwing sweet hay to the herd—sweet hay involving vile Sarah Palin, campaigning in Georgia for Saxby Chambliss. And Margaret Carlson knew just how to play it. We think this is quite amazing:

    CARLSON (12/1/08): I now think Sarah Palin, like Bill Clinton and like Elvis, is never going away. She’s with us for a good long time. I think she’ll be opening supermarkets soon.

    The arrogance is simply astounding—as is the lack of self-awareness. People like Carlson really seem to believe that they get to decide which pols are supposed to “go away.” Meanwhile, will Carlson herself ever do so? She’s been making “contributions” to the discourse since the days when she kept doing her mocking “impression” of the very lame, very laughable Candidate Gore. She did no such “impressions” of Bush. Are you happy with where that took us?

    Go read the entire post. He doesn’t only take Margaret Carlson to the woodshed, she actually invents the woodshed.

    Btw, we’ve been hearing from the same people for ever that The Clintons must go away. I’m wondering when will the likes of Margaret Carlson, Chris Matthews, Hitchens, Arianna Huffington, Peggy Noonan, Andrew Sullivan will go away and leave us alone.

  20. Do they give animals anything for pain? If it was a person you know they’d be into the Tylenol bottle or calling up the doc for something stronger. The four legged patients can’t talk, except with their claws. Something tells me FooFoo is saying “owie” as loud as s/he can.

  21. MABlue — don’t forget, in June the msm declared that Hillary’s political career was OVER — so OVER she needed a new word for “OVER.”

    Look where she is now. So far from “OVER” she can’t even see “OVER.”

  22. Help me understand how this cartoon is funny….or perhaps maybe how it’s not sexist and jackassy:

    By the award-winning David Horsey

  23. More about Horse: I mean god forbid that a man has to sit at a woman’s table…might as well just cut his balls off and get it over with…and such intelligent conversation these women have too…they don’t even know that he was president.

  24. Nijma — Monty had oral surgery last year (teeth cleaning & had to get an abscessed one pulled) — he had a week of twice a day liquid pain medication afterward — that was hell on earth for me to give him his doses twice daily — but I persisted because I didn’t want him to “suffer” — meanwhile, trust me, I suffered.

    The vet didn’t say BeBe needed any pain meds — the needle is really really tiny & the shot is given in the fatty part of her back (I “lift” the fur on her back up & inject there — rotating different general areas each time). She just gives a little “meow” when the needle goes in, but doesn’t seem to be in “pain.” In fact, she is acting a lot more “perky” since she has started her treatment.

  25. Sorry if this has been posted and I missed it

    from The Wall Street Journal

    Dec. 2, 2008

    Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss has won re-election in a runoff, dashing Democratic hopes of capturing enough Senate seats to thwart Republican filibusters. Chambliss, who fell just short of the majority vote needed to win re-election in November, prevailed in a one-on-one rematch with Democrat Jim Martin.

  26. Teresaa:

    Most other nations are used to woman leaders and have protocols for how to treat spouses.

    Here in this advanced and enlightened nation woman leaders are mostly widows or their spouses avoid affairs of state.

    Remember when someone claimed Todd Palin was the true power behind the throne in Alaska? (Cuz menfolk tell the wimmenfolk what to do)

  27. Teresaa — you don’t “get” the joke in the cartoon because it isn’t funny. Horsey seems like a horse’s patoot to me. What he (and so many others) just can’t seem to understand is that Hillary’s accomplishments in no way diminish Bill’s and vis-a-versa. If they were “real” men — heck, if they were “real” people — they’d know that.

  28. Well — today I became Juror number 4 here in Oakland, CA — lucky fucky me

  29. Simofish:

    Awww, now the Democrats will be unable to pass any of Obama’s socialist agenda!


  30. simofish — well then we can expect to hear that the Dems can’t get anything done in Congress because of the GOP threat of filibusters for the next 2 years (at least).

  31. Simo:

    But you get $15 per day! Spend it wisely.

  32. Angie:

    You owe me a coke!

  33. Angienc: It’s the old women’s success castrates men, meme.

    Horsey is a 2-time Pulitzer Prize winner fer gawd’s sake. Can you believe it?

  34. simofish — vote to accquit! Go for jury nullification!! LOL

  35. Cuda 1
    Luda 0

  36. myiq — I was just thinking you owed me one! LOL

  37. I am still in shock I was picked —

    I am so behind now with work — this sucks. I have to come home at night and do my day job. So I came say — I must lurk at a distance tonight.

  38. simofish, be a runaway jury – demand field trips and free meals

  39. I’ve been on 7 juries. I always have fun with it!

  40. kiki — LOL, LOL, LOL — ROLLING — LOL

  41. simofish — frankly, I’m shocked you were picked too — sad to say, but usually people with college educations don’t get picked for juries — there must be a really poor selection in your area (ie. the majority of the people in the pool must be comatose and/or mentally unstable) if attorneys in your jurisdiction are willing to “gamble” by having someone who can think for herself on the jury.

  42. I never make it to the final round. But they make me hang around at least part way through voir dire

  43. kiki — 7 juries? do you mind me asking — are you retired? trial attorneys seem to love retirees (plus, it is difficult for retirees to use a hardship excuse — so love them or not, attorneys often get stuck with them).

  44. Test, please ignore.

  45. Angie, I have a masters degree plus I have that leftover hippie look about me – peace sign jewelry and stuff like that, and I still always get picked! the only time I haven’t been picked was a death penalty case where I said I was absolutely opposed to it.

  46. I’ve made it up into the jury box for questioning once — when they found out I was a law clerk for my state’s Supreme Court (which I was at the time) they immediately dismissed me. Gosh darn it — slip & fall case — I would have given the Plaintiff mucho deniro.

  47. no, unfortunately I’m not retired and this has been going on since I was 23 (I’m 55 so this is over 30 some years and two states, 3 counties and one federal stint).

  48. angie: a close friend has a diabetic cat that has done quite well for a few years. She has to watch the cat closely, there’s evidently not much room for error, and they practically live at the vet’s, but cat & owner are happily in love.

  49. lawyers always get dismissed…..lol, they don’t want anyone who actually knows the law, I guess.

    to be honest, I have always had a blast on juries. I know that sounds weird, but it’s true. you get thrown together with these other people who don’t want to be there either, and everyone bonds very quickly. you all become BFFs.

    then you never see each other again.

  50. Speaking of Sarah Palin, what does everyone think about Tina Fey claiming that criticizing her for making fun of Sarah Palin was sexist because no one criticizes male comedians for making fun of male politicians. And besides, all she did was take things Sarah actually said and run with them.

    FTR, she also said Sarah was a strong woman who didn’t need to be defended.

  51. to the gal with the diabetic cat– keep up the good work. i had a cat with diabetes–bid shots of insulin and…the cat did fine! poor boy died of other causes at 16, after 5 yrs of shots.
    had a remarkable group of friends who helped with shots when i was out of town and the vet was a champ!
    at 1st ur freaked but then things settle down! good luck!

  52. It’s funny how you become sensitized to the news, and notice things you probably would have ignored a year ago. Clarence Page’s column today was all cutesy over Obama can’t take his Blackberry into the White House [please, no puns], and noted that Obama had run the most sophisticated technological campaign in history.

    Sophisticated? They couldn’t put up software that would have prevented fraudulent or foreign fund-raising, and Page never saw a thing.

    Then I saw an ad for Horton Hears a Who on DVD, and all I could think of was that slimy Time mag review of the movie last spring, and how Corliss called the nagging, self-righteous mother character voiced by Carol Burnett as “oddly Hillary-like.” Talk about sexist. As a [retired] librarian, I used to daily scour the news, now it is a source of pain.

  53. They let a divorce atty on a criminal jury here a few years ago. I don’t recall what the verdict was.

    I would be a good juror. I would vote to convict if the evidence was there.

  54. brb y’all

  55. Likely the reason my family member had nightmares with her diabetic cat was she was a single mom with 2 kids that were both attending a private school they couldn’t afford and she was doing the kitty care alone.

  56. I didn’t want to vote for Chambliss but I did because I was afraid of Obama, Pelosi, and Reid having a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. Plus, Hillary wouldn’t be in the Senate to be a voice of reason.

  57. I have been o several juries…I consider it a duty of citizenship….it is a mazing to me that a country that contains only 5% of the worlds population has 90% of the jury trials.

    It speaks volumes that the founding parents had so much trust in the people as to trust them to decide the fate of the accused….

    A person right to bring grievance or a call to justice before a “jury of his peers ” is one of the great equalizers in society.

    We are truely blessed….

  58. Simofish I know it is inconvienent to be selected as a Juror but remember it is the price we pay for civil society like taxes and military service.

  59. ok where did everyone go?

  60. I’m still here

  61. Free endorsement:

    If you own a cat, Friskies “Party Mix” snacks are like crack cocaine and heroin.

  62. myiq .. mine love those ‘teline greenie’ thingies ..

    lol ,,

  63. Feline .. excuse me .

  64. I’m here. I was actually working on my data, but I’m quitting for the night.

  65. I was on a jury once that considered medical malpractice. I thought the MD was guilty, and argued for it, but the amount the jury gave was wayyyyy over the top. I should have fought harder to have them go for a lower award. The thing is, almost everyone else on the jury was simply in a hurry to get out of there. They didn’t seem to care a lot one way or the other. Afterward, I felt really bad for the doc and now I can’t stand to be on a jury anymore.
    They’re always calling me up, and I just sit in the back and pray they don’t call on me. It’s like being in HS, when you didn’t read the homework.

  66. I know this guy who got called up for jury duty, and when he got up there said “Just hang ’em all, that’s my philosophy. If they weren’t guilty, the police wouldn’t have arrested them, it’s the same people doing stuff over & over so if they didn’t do this, they probably did something they didn’t get caught for.”

    Honest, he really said that. They never called him again, of course.

  67. Can I just say that the company that was supposed to hire me in July, with whom I now have a signed contract and a start date, is STILL F*CKING D*CKING ME AROUND!!!!

    I was supposed to have a meeting with the COO tomorrow, but he cancelled and didn’t reschedule.

    I cannot f*cking believe this sh*t.

  68. Ok — I’m back! Was I missed?

    Teresa — don’t get my wrong about my BeBe –she is a very “easy” cat to medicate — like I said, if it was Monty I would not be able to do it.

    I would be a terrible juror — I would ALWAYS rule for the little guy (ie, for the Plaintiff against a big corp. and/or insurance co. or to accquit in a criminal trial especially if the Defendant was represented by legal aid — the system is weighed so heavily in favor against them because of $, I would have no problem nullifying a verdict) Good thing I’m never picked.

    My mom got called for a death penalty case — when she got in the jury box for the voir dire & was asked whether she could vote for the death penalty she said (honestly) “No” the attorney asked her was that for religious reasons and she said “No. For common sense reasons. How can you tell someone that killing is wrong by killing them?” She was dismissed. LOL — I love my mommy!!

  69. I was on a jury and I thought it was a great experience, working like that with a completely diverse group of people. The process of listening to testimony was pretty tedious, but I felt I had to stay awake and pay attention.

    We came to our decision very quickly, but held off because we knew the judge would buy us lunch.

    That was in December. I got called again a month or so later because it was a new year. My boss was not happy. I could not serve that last time I was called because I was in chemotherapy. They never called me again. I think they thought I died!

  70. That sucks, madamab!

  71. madamab — you need reinforcements? 😉

  72. Yes…the “kill them all and let God sort them out” routine will always get you booted during voir dire

  73. Thanks BB. I’m so upset right now.

    We haven’t had any good news in a very long time.


  74. kiki — oh! I meant to tell you — you mus have one of those sweet “honest” faces if you are always getting picked for juries then.

    One time my friend (and fellow law clerk at the time) got picked for a criminal jury in New Orleans — that is how desperate they were as half the jury pool was either illiterate or on drugs (sadly, I’m not kidding) that they picked her. She voted against conviction & talked the other jurors into seeing it her way — the only witness to the alleged robbery was an admitted crackhead who said on the stand that she had just smoked crack 12 hours before testifying. That wasn’t a case of jury nullification, that was the right verdict. BUT, if she hadn’t been there, the other 11 were ready to convict as soon as they walked into the jury room & couldn’t understand why she didn’t want to take the witness at her “word” that the defendant did it.

  75. SOD – I’ll take it under advisement.

  76. madamab — FUCK THEM!! Don’t let the bastards get you down!

  77. I have a job for Uncle Guido.

  78. SOD – forgot to add the


  79. yep madamab — the old ‘horsehead in the bed’ routine.

  80. Angie — your friend’s experience sounds like a re-inactment of 12 angry men

  81. “No-Neck” is your uncle?

    Small world!

  82. SOD — yep, that is exactly what we said at the time.

  83. angie – But I need a job. I’ve been out of work for 6 months and I can’t take it any longer. They told me I would start on Monday and now I may not start at all. Meanwhile, my husband will have to go back to working 6 days a week, and that doesn’t even pay our bills. And, he thinks HIS promotion isn’t coming through now either because it’s taking too long.

    I expect to hear from my direct boss tomorrow and I hope he will have good news, but if he doesn’t, I have an email ready for him. I turned down job opportunities because I had a contract. What the fuck is wrong with these people? I am telling me he will sit my *ss in that seat by Monday, December 8th or he can go fuck himself.

    Of course, that means I still have no job, but at least I will have my dignity.

  84. madamab:

    To use the words every lawyer loves to hear: “Sue!”

  85. femisex.com — forgot to tell you thanks for the encouraging words about BeBe — she is 16 now, so no matter what happens she’s had a good ride — at least since I found her starving, flea bitten & half bald on the streets all those years ago! LOL

  86. angie – But I need a job. I’ve been out of work for 6 months and I can’t take it any longer. They told me I would start on Monday and now I may not start at all. Meanwhile, my husband will have to go back to working 6 days a week, and that doesn’t even pay our bills. And, he thinks HIS promotion isn’t coming through now either because it’s taking too long.

    I expect to hear from my direct boss tomorrow and I hope he will have good news, but if he doesn’t, I have an email ready for him. I turned down job opportunities because I had a contract. What the fuck is wrong with these people? I am telling me he will sit my *ss in that seat by Monday, December 8th or he can go fuck himself.

    Of course, that means I still have no job, but at least I will have my dignity.

  87. i was on a jury once… some kid caught with marijuana in his car over the July 4th holiday. The police wanted to get him for possession with intent to sell, but we didn’t bite. We got him on possession and gave him a fat fine, no jail time… basically trying to send the message, “hey kid, don’t scr3w up again”

  88. Chihuahuas RULE!

    Talk about macho dogs — that would be a male Chihuahua — a male Chihuahua could teach Ohahaha a thing about being a real macho!

    Cute short hair Chihuahua photo!!

    I’ve returned to art — fiberart — being really obsessive about learning a new art form. I’ve done the basics and now I’m exploring some freeform work.

    The reason I’m bringing this up is that when the political atmosphere gets depressing and scary I find I have to really explore something creative. For me it is combings several art forms — merging and using uncommon material together. Now I can populate my dreams with non-political things. Nightmares slow down a bit.

    Also as Angie and many others remind us — Our furkids really help us keep grounded in the real world. If we happen to run out of cat food (THAT is the worst crime to a cat) — they know how to make our lives miserable — so we get a taste of cat terrorism and don’t have time to think about a$$holes in DC.

    Chihuahuas rule — and cats are entertained by dogs/gods.

  89. madamab:

    If you sue for breach of contract (and win) they are liable for your wages for the term of the contract.

    If you take a lower paying job they are liable for the difference

  90. Chihuahua:

    20 lbs of fury in a 5 lb package

  91. myiq – Food for thought. We will see what happens.

  92. The problem with suing is that you (usually) have to pay a lawyer first. And, when people are out of work, they don’t have extra money. That is one reason employers get away with so much, in my opinion.

  93. Fran – Actually, the contract states that we will go to mediation to settle contractual disputes.

    I’m hoping it won’t go that far, but they have really fucking pissed me off.

  94. The problem with suing is that you (usually) have to pay a lawyer first.

    Is this a great country or what?

  95. myiq — you are off about the chihuahua by 60 lbs — they are 80 lbs of dog in a little dog suit.

    btw — I love reading that kiki, fuzzy & Fran enjoyed their jury duty experiences. Being on the other side of the coin the thought of a jury terrifies me — most attorney’s are control freaks & you never know what a jury is going to do!

  96. Something for a few chuckles and yuks…how to tell if you are a REAL loser!


  97. I actually sued through the Labor Relations Board (state) and won. I had a lawyer, but you don’t have to. My lawyer said employees hardly ever win. (My point is NOT to discourage madamab. Actually I meant to point out a possiblity.)

    A Phila. news station wanted to do an interview with me. My son, young at the time, said he had something to say. We were going to do it, but my lawyer said she could not protect me from backlash. I was a little afraid I would not get work afterward, but subsequently wished I had done it.

  98. madamab:

    If they don’t actually put you to work maybe they will kick down a few dollars to buy you out (without prolonged litigation/mediation)

  99. When I was dating my now husband back in the 70s, his grandma had a chihuahua that looked like a little pig he was so fat. He’d roll over and grunt like a pig when you scratched his belly. His name was “tiny”

  100. myiq2xu — you’ve got that right.

    Our first Chi was a lover — she loved everyone. I couldn’t understand why people made remarks about aggressive — macho small dogs.

    NOW I know — this guy barks at cars that get too close — or anyone he thinks is intruding in his space. We call him the Admiral. (my joke — he’s an admiral with NO qualifications for the job. Now who does that sound like??) He has an attitude — and expects everyone to conform. My friend calls — hears him barking at people walking by and says “how cute”.

  101. The problem with suing is that you (usually) have to pay a lawyer first.

    Is this a great country or what?

    That reminds me of that Chappelle’s Show skit where Tron the drug dealer goes through the “white collar” justice system and the embezzler goes through the “blue collar” justice system. That’s one of the most insightful pieces of satire of the modern era. Well, OK the whole “progressive” “movement” is a great piece of satire as well., but that’s another story.

  102. Mediation is a good thing, I think, because you do not have to hire a lawyer. Hope it does not go to that also. Hope it comes through. I understand your frustration. Things are not so good these days.

  103. Fran:

    Most people don’t have contracts and are considered “at-will” employees.

    They can be fired without notice or cause (as long as they aren’t fired for a prohibited reason)

  104. madamab — see that bullshit in the contract! That is what pisses me off about the “big guys” (and why I would always vote for the little guy if ever on a jury). Is that a binding mediation clause madamab? ie, the decision of the mediator is final? If it is, they made you waive your right to have your day in court just on the lick & a promise of a job. Even if it isn’t, you have the expense (and it is a BIG expense) of mediation. Not to mention the company probably knows all the mediators and is likely to have an “easier” go with the mediator then with a jury.

    I would still see if I could get a labor attorney to take the case on a contigency fee basis. That wouldn’t include the actual fees for the mediation though.

  105. I am so glad I posted about this here. I love my lawyer Conflucians!!! Thanks for all the info!


    I now feel like I’m in a better position with these idiots. They really want me to work for them but somehow can’t seem to manage it. I’m sure my direct boss will have a sh*t fit when he sees the email I got tonight, since he did not think we would run into this snag with the COO.

  106. madamab…..I am SOOOOOOOOOO sorry!!! We’ll chat more tomorrow I am sure.

    Saxby Chambliss won the senate run-off….so no veto/filibuster proof senate for the dems, which to my mind might be a very good thing.

    While I am here, would just like to let people know if they were registered on Traveling Pantsuits, it is no more. We do have a new board up and running….if anyone is interested, drop me a line PssttCmereathotmaildotcom…….not trying to take anything away from The Confluence, just trying to contact our members whose email addresses we do not have….

    Thank you!!

  107. Angie – no, it is not exclusive. They just say we have to go to mediation first. If we can’t settle through mediation, I can sue them.

  108. Does the employer get to pick the mediator/arbitrator?

    They tend to pick pro-employer types.

  109. simofish
    just tell the lawyers when they question you
    “my hero is Judge Roy Bean”
    that should get you definitely not picked.



  110. Thanks PssttCmere…we will definitely chat when I have an update.

  111. no clue, myiq! getting sleepy now…

  112. g’nite madamab — tommorow is another day. (I’ll keep you in my thoughts).

  113. thanks everyone! I really appreciate your support so, so much!!!

  114. recently uncovered picture of myiq2xu moonlighting as “scary clown at kids parties”

  115. “Most people don’t have contracts and are considered “at-will” employees.

    They can be fired without notice or cause (as long as they aren’t fired for a prohibited reason)”

    myiq – You are correct. It is very difficult for employees to do anything. Aren’t you in CA? Isn’t it a little better there? I am in PA which is very old fashioned. My lawyer, who only took it on contingency because she knew me said it was unusual for the employee to ‘win’. (They gave me my job back – not exactly what you want!) The people at the Labor Relations Board told me horrific stories.

  116. The last time I was called for jury duty they did not pick me for the case I wanted to be called for. I guess I was laughing to hard.
    This man about 85 years old was arrested for soliciting a prostitute.
    At his age all he could do was talk.
    If he could do more he should bottle whatever he was taking and sell it. He could have made a fortune.
    This was before viagra.



  117. Fran –myiq explained it well.

  118. Madamab
    Never give up and Never give in.
    We will all be here to give moral support whenever you need it.



  119. I was out prowling and found this tonight. Ah yes, another promise that quickly bites the dust…looking more corporate every day Mr. Obama.

    CHICAGO/WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President-elect Barack Obama is not planning to implement a windfall profit tax on oil companies because prices have dropped below $80 a barrel, an aide said on Tuesday.

    “President-elect Obama announced the policy during the campaign because oil prices were above $80 per barrel,” an aide on Obama’s transition team said. “They are currently below that now and expected to stay below that.”
    Oil companies steadfastly opposed a tax, saying it would stifle exploration and innovation.

    The switch drew applause from industry.
    But environmentalists support a tax and want oil companies to invest more in renewable fuels.

    Obama has made revamping U.S. energy policy a key priority of his upcoming presidency, promising to increase production of renewable energy sources and start a carbon trading system to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.


  120. Northwest Rain — my chihuahua is a female & she thinks she is a rotty! Here is my favorite cat joke:

    Adam & Eve said, ‘Lord, when I was in the garden, You walked with me every day. Now we do not see You any more. We are lonesome here and it is difficult for us
    to remember how much You love us.’

    And God said ‘No problem. I will create a companion for you that will be with you forever and who will be a reflection of My love for you so that you will love Me even when you cannot see Me. Regardless of how selfish
    or childish or unlovable you may be, this new companion will accept you as you are and will love you as I do, in spite of yourself.’

    And God created a new animal to be a companion for Adam & Eve. And it was a good animal. And God was pleased. And the new animal was pleased to be
    with Adam & Eve and it wagged its tail.

    And Adam & Eve said, ‘Lord, we have already named all the animals in the Kingdom and we cannot think of a name for this new animal.’

    And God said, ‘No problem. Because I have created this new animal to be a reflection of my love for you his name will be a reflection of my own name,
    and you will call him Dog.’

    And Dog lived with Adam Eve and was a companion to them and loved them.
    And Adam & Eve were comforted. And God was pleased. And Dog was content and wagged his tail.

    After a while, it came to pass that Adam & Eve’s guardian angel came to the Lord
    and said, ‘Lord, Adam & Eve have become filled with pride. They strut and preen like peacocks and believe they are worthy of adoration. Dog has indeed
    taught them that they are loved, but perhaps too well.’

    And the Lord said, ‘No problem. I will create for them a companion who will be with them forever and who will see them as they are. The companion will remind
    hem of their limitations, so they will know that they are not always worthy of adoration.’

    And God created Cat to be a companion to Adam & Eve. And Cat would not obey Adam & Eve.
    And when Adam & Eve gazed into Cat’s eyes, they were reminded that they were not the
    Supreme Being. And Adam & Eve learned humility.

    And God was pleased. And Adam & Eve were greatly improved. And Dog was happy.

    And Cat didn’t give two shits.

  121. SOD – There are anti-discrimination laws. You can go through the EEOC, or the state agency. But, it is usually hard to prove.
    Of course, madamab is a contract situation, so it’s different than a regular employee. It’s a contract violation, I imagine.

  122. That is pretty funny, Helen!

  123. good luck.

  124. Fran:

    If you are “at-will” and they fire you because of the way you part your hair, you are SOL.

    But if they fire you for a prohibited reason (age, gender, religion, sexual orientation) and you can prove it, you win.

  125. Helen — I love that jury duty story! and I completely agree — if that oldster could “do more then talk” then I say don’t arrest him — give him a medal!

  126. SOD:

    Employers NEVER admit they discriminate.

  127. myiq2xu — what percentage of discrimination cases FILED actually result in a favorable decision for the individual — do you know?

  128. myiq2xu — exactly

  129. SOD — I think that would be a hard figure to determine — many cases settle & that settlement may well be in favor of the individual but is recorded on the docket as a “dismissal.”

  130. alright gang — I’m off to bed. Thanks for all the well wishes for BeBe (who is still alive — I just checked! lol — poor thing — I don’t think either of us is going to be able to sleep through the night for a while). LOL!

    Good night myiq, Fran, SOD, Northwest Rain, helen, bb & everyone else!!

  131. Sweet Sue — copy away — I had to look it up on the intertubz myself just now (I always forget *exactly* how jokes go if they are longer then 2 lines). Just change the last line from “And Cat didn’t give two shits” to “And Cat didn’t care one way or the other” and it should pass the MIL test.

    Night Sue!

    Night again everyone else!

  132. Hey, where did Sweet Sue’s post go? I know I just answered it or am I that tired?

  133. ‘kay — the mystery of Sweet Sue’s disappearing post will have to stay just that.

    Good night for realz this time all.

  134. I don’t know where I went but thanks, angienc and good night.

  135. Sumbuddy’s comment was accidentally deleted.

    Lo siento mucho

  136. I missed madamab, but for 29.95 a month, she can get a Prepaid lawyer to at least make a phone call or write a letter on her behalf. they over the phone advice too, and last I heard you can still quit anytime. I keep them because you can keep their card in your pocket and call them for a local laywer in most states. You know, like if you get tagged at a protest.

  137. Popping in to say goodnite angie and all– very long days right now. I am totally exhausted.

    back to lurking, then bed……..


  138. They don’t do DUI stuff, however.

  139. Re: Margaret Carlson> I remember when she and Tucker Carlson were the regular bloviators on CNN, sitting there side by side, arguing. So cute! This was a long time ago. And like Elvis, Bill Clinton, and Sarah Palin neither Carlson has gone away. Shucks!

    Re: Tina Fey> The guy who impersonated Obama was criticized for being a white man impersonating Obama. And it’s not really true that Fey just took what Palin said and ran with it. For example, Palin never said “I can see Russia from my house.” That was Fey. But ask any Obot and they’ll tell you it’s a Palin quote.

    Re: Chambliss> I’m glad he won. Not because he’s a pillar of wisdom and integrity, but because a) we already have quite enough Dems in Congress and b) it shows that Obama voters don’t give a rat’s ass about getting Democrats elected. They only cared about Barky. This does not bode well for the Democratic party in the long run. Plus, as reprehensible as Chambliss’ campaign was back in 2002 (was it 2002?), we shouldn’t hold it against him. After all, this year the Democratic party showed us that you must do anything to win because winning is all that matters in the end. And Chambliss won – twice! Congratulations!

  140. I cannot understand being glad that Saxby Chambliss won in Georgia. This is a man who called a one limbed Vietnam veteran soft on terrorism.
    Some deeds have no statue of limitation.

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