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Tuesday: Who do you think you are?

Square dancers in New Mexico during The Great Depression

Square dancers in New Mexico during The Great Depression

I can’t quite put my finger on the point when I knew that Ira Glass of This American Life was not an Obama fan.  Maybe it’s because unlike Terry Gross, who is sufferering from Kool-Aid edema, Glass has never seemed like the typical latte sipping, obsequious toady that most public radio personalities have become.  Glass, who broadcasts from Chicago, is the kind of radio personality who isn’t afraid of getting into the weeds of human experience.  If Glass wrote a book, it would be an anthology of stories, some funny, some pretentious, some heartbreaking.  I frequently find myself thinking about one his collection of stories days after it broadcasts. Last Sunday’s broadcast was a good example.

The show was called “Who do you think you are?” and was described as “This week we bring you stories of privilege and the lengths that some people will go to maintain it.”  There is a rather long episode in the middle about Studs Terkel recording people who lived during the Great Depression.  Terkel died last week after his parts gave out.  When I hear Terkel talk, I recognize that trace of soft Irish lilt that sounds like my grandfather’s voice, the sound of the beginning of the 20th century before the talkies rubbed the edges off our heritage.    Terkel is like a hypnotist who takes his subject to a moment of time and then releases them to talk, almost without interruption, about what they see, feel and experience.  The subjects talk almost in stream of conscious mode about soup lines, migrant work and fresh milk, and omnipresent poverty.  What we get from the interview is a sense that in times of stress on such a epic scale, we can find a kind of solidarity that will bind us together and see us through.

In one of his last interviews in October, Terkel spoke about Obama.  He supported Obama with conditions:

Studs Terkel

Studs Terkel

I’d ask Obama, do you plan to follow up on the program of the New Deal of FDR?

I’d tell him, ‘don’t fool around on a few issues, such as health care. We’ve got bigger work to do! Read FDR’s second inaugural address!’

The free market has to be regulated. And the New Deal did that and they provided jobs. The government has to. The WPA provided jobs. We have got to get back to that. We need more reg-u-la-tion.

I was just watching Alan Greenspan, he’s an idiot, and by the way so was Ayn Rand!

Community organizers like Obama know what’s going on. If they remember. The important thing is memory. You know in this country, we all have Alzheimer’s. Obama has got to remember his days as an organizer. It all comes back to the neighborhood. Well I hope the election is a landslide for Obama…

So you know what? Obama can’t be a moderate! He’s got to remember where he comes from! Obama, he has got to be pushed!

“I’m very excited by the idea of a black guy in the White House, that’s very exciting,” Studs said as we said goodbye. “I just wish he was more progressive!”

Yes, indeed, we all wish he were more progressive.

But it was Glass’s first episode that clued me in that he was not necessarily the world’s biggest Obama fan.  The story is about a woman’s crusade in Hoboken, NJ.  Hoboken has some of the most draconian parking ordinances in the country.  If you are half a millimeter out of alignment with your car in Hoboken, you can get a ticket.  That is, the ordinary person can get a ticket or more like a ridiculous number of tickets per year.  But if you are a semi-famous actor or a municipal employee, you can park wherever you want, whenever you want without penalty.  It infuriates this woman that some people are held more accountable than others and that they seem to feel they are above the law and that it is OK to cheat.  She makes it her mission to blow the whistle on the violators.  She confronts one of them in a bar and at the end of the exchange, the violator says, “Get a life”.

Get a life.  Sound familiar?  How about “Get over it”.  Ahhhh, that rang some bells, right?  It sort of reminds me of how the Clintonistas saw violation after violation during the primary season go unchecked.  No one was held accountable and suddenly, we see Hillary cheated out of the nomination.  What did the Obamaphiles say?  Get over it.  Yes, yes, very familiar.

And who among us wouldn’t like to get over it?  It’s hard on the system to keep this up.  I woke up late this morning and I’m going to be late for work again but I know I can’t give up yet.  It would be so easy to let it all go, get with the program, succumb to the Obama induced megasomacoma.  But that way lies apathy.  That is what the Obama crowd would like.  That is what they spent $600,000,000 to produce.  They would like their “movement” to be so overwhelming, inflexible and pervasive in every aspect of American culture that the rest of us just give up and “get a life”.

Now the message in Hillary’s speech in Denver takes on a whole new meaning.  She asked us to “keep going” no matter what.  What she was saying is no matter what the odds are against you, do not succumb to apathy.  Do not just “get a life”.  Work hard for the life you want to have.  Push Obama to become the next FDR.  Join in solidarity with your fellow Americans and fight for accountanbility and never give up.

Keep going.

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104 Responses

  1. Message received–loud and clear.

  2. Well, the way I see it, no one has ever held Obama accountable for anything he’s done. He never listened to his own supporters. He’s not listening to them now. He’s certainly not going to listen to anyone here. The best way I see is through the electoral process. Find good candidates and support them.

  3. I read “Hard Times” by Studs when I was in college.

    People have no idea how bad The Great Depression really was and I hope they never find out.

  4. One thing we can do is keep screaming “The clothes have no emperor!”

    We should keep confronting Obamanation with reality and not let them swim in denial

  5. OT: RD, I was wondering if you could update the Peacock & Lilies link on your blogroll so it points to the homepage and not one specific post?
    (It’s not my blog, I hope it’s ok for me to suggest this)

  6. Push Obama to become the next FDR. Join in solidarity with your fellow Americans and fight for accountanbility and never give up

    Call me a pessimist, but I don’t see this happening.

    Obama never cared to be the next FDR. He wants to be the next Reagan.

    PS: Thanks RD for the b-day wishes yesterday!

  7. That is what they spent $600,000,000 to produce. They would like their “movement” to be so overwhelming, inflexible and pervasive in every aspect of American culture that the rest of us just give up and “get a life”.

    RD, you have a breathtaking talent for leadership. What a great call to all of us. These are the darker moments when mild (at least) depression sets in and apathy is lurking.

    I will keep your message with me today. and tomorrow. and the day after that…………

    To work now–love to you all!

  8. SO glad to find you not in the basement hanging drywall RD.

    NOT that hanging drywall isn’t a wonderful thing to do, but hey, I’m selfish that way.

  9. Oh and SM, I agree.

    It is not in his fabric. And the money behind him won’t have it. But we can push and expose. push and expose, and who knows?

    FDR did the unexpected not because he was pushed, but because it came from within. The man had generosity in his heart. BO does not.

  10. Joanie – Obama doesn’t want to help people, he wants to CONTROL them.

    Just look at the South Side of Chicago which he represented for 8 years as a state senator. How much better is the South Side of Chicago after Obama’s tenure there?

    (crickets)…

  11. Hi Murphy!

  12. joaniebone, on November 11th, 2008 at 9:02 am Said:
    Oh and SM, I agree.

    It is not in his fabric. And the money behind him won’t have it. But we can push and expose. push and expose, and who knows?

    FDR did the unexpected not because he was pushed, but because it came from within. The man had generosity in his heart. BO does not.

    PRECISELY.

    FDR used his presidency for the betterment for every American. Obama just wants the power that goes along with it.

  13. The first stage of Obot denial is “He has to say that to win the election”

    The next stage will be “He will do it later”

    Then it will be “He wants to but he can’t.”

  14. Good morning everyone!

    Happy Veteran’s Day!

  15. The first stage of Obot denial is “He has to say that to win the election”

    The next stage will be “He will do it later”

    Then it will be “He wants to but he can’t.”

  16. MyIQ — that’s why I was really rooting for the filibuster-proof Senate. If they had that they’d have no where to hide.

  17. magasomacoma.

    I love it! I have to remember that one.

  18. “It is your job to help Obama be successful”

    “Well he said he can’t do it all in one term”

  19. Afrocity,

    I’m afraid to ask how many terms he think he needs. I’m afraid it might be that he needs to be “president for life.”

  20. IQ & afrocity, the logical extension of that would be, “We must give O the power to do all the good he can by freeing him from those pesky elections. President for life!”

  21. BB — get out of my mind, you mind-reader!

  22. Hi SM!

    I was just over commenting at LiberalCrat. Your latest post if very creepy.

    http://liberalcrat.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/these-type-of-headlines-are-what-really-scare-me-under-an-obama-presidency/#comment-116

  23. The new JFK:

    “Ask not what Obama can do for you, ask what you can do for Obama!”

  24. votemom,

    Great minds think alike!

  25. LOL!

    That’s it exactly, myiq.

  26. votermom:

    Screw that! I say we do an intervention on Obamanation

  27. We were chatting the other day about Warm Springs, FDR’s elegant, no-frills, handicap-accessible home. FDR giggered up a car so he could drive through the Georgia countryside and talk to local farmers. MO ordered caviar at the Waldorf.
    I’m waiting to see the new uniforms for the White House guards, a la Nixon.
    Egad, someone else thought of this too!
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/11/barack_obama_richard_nixon_sou.html

  28. I’m glad to see the call to action here. Many PUMA sites are disappearing or fading (few posts, fewer comments). We must keep the fire alive, and support each other at all costs. We cannot afford to let our guard down now.

    America’s future rests on us – we are the only truthtellers left.

  29. Oh, expect Obama to lift term limits and get rid of natural born citizen requirement from POTUS.

    Meanwhile Berg, has court date Dec 1 deadline , with Supreme Court

  30. Oh, this weekend my daughter asked me to rent the new American Girl movie (Kit Kittredge) which is set in the depression.
    Good family movie, and the depression part hit me rather hard.

  31. Afrocity, We aren’t discussing the BC issue here. Not even that court case.

  32. Psssst! Afrocity … go to Sugar N Spice for BC info. I won’t post the link seeing as we’re not having this conversation ;-D

  33. Really?

    “Push Obama to become the next FDR”

    We both know the man is incapable. I agree with what myiq said at 9:21AM.

  34. happy veterans’ day

    to bad one’s service for his country is not regarded as important or as honorable as one’s service to oneself.

  35. I say we do an intervention on Obamanation
    But how? Threaten to withhold his cigarette supply?

  36. myiq2xu, on November 11th, 2008 at 9:12 am Said:

    The first stage of Obot denial is “He has to say that to win the election”

    The next stage will be “He will do it later”

    Then it will be “He wants to but he can’t.”

    ————

    Bingo. Exactly that. It will more and more irrational fantasies, even as he surrounds himself with old school boys intent on driving the car over the cliff, as long as they get theirs.

  37. afrocity, on November 11th, 2008 at 9:18 am Said:

    “It is your job to help Obama be successful”

    ***********
    We need another song for O

    Help Help Obama
    (tune of Help Me, Rhonda)

    OR

    Help! (Beatles)
    Won’t you please, please help O

    Lyrics anyone?

  38. I think I want to be in Alaska with Sarah Palin after what I saw last night…

    Did You See Sarah Palin Live with Greta? WOW!! In the Kitchen, Meal Prep and Policy…(UPDATE 1X–Video Up)

    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/did-you-see-sarah-palin-live-with-greta-wow-in-the-kitchen-meal-prep-and-policy/

    We’re not disappearing…we’re mad as hell….”PUMA Lying In Wait” is our new slogan…We’re on the trail and also rising up as women again…us dames are ticked!

  39. What we get from the interview is a sense that in times of stress on such a epic scale, we can find a kind of solidarity that will bind us together and see us through.

    I’ve spoken to my older family members about their WWII experiences and they seem to look at it as the best and worst of times. Everyone pulled together. We’re so spoiled these days that it’s hard to remember rationing (food/fuel/clothing) was in place in the UK from 1940 to the mid ’50s. Makes me think about planting a Victory Garden.

  40. Did you see that wide-angle photo of his economic brain trust in the WSJ last weekend? I’d love to be in the room when they try to put in a pizza order.

  41. Hiya SM77 and Conflucian Nation!

  42. back atcha murphy! I still have my pumaprowl address.

  43. I have my “The Way Forward” post scheduled for 11am est

  44. myiq2xu, on November 11th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    Yep sounds about par for the course.

  45. I’ve finally been able to look at the enws and talk about politics again. I didn’t go in to work on Wednesday after staying up till 3:30AM because I was so annoyed.

  46. BB!!! ((((hugs))))

    I’m very busy this AM but had to post that early. I plan to expand a bit more later on.

  47. Exactly. Personally, if someone says that they like me because I’m Asian, it automatically sets off warning bells in my head that they could also hate me simply for being Asian.

    Same way I feel about people who are excited about seeing a black man in the White House. They could just as easily be ticked off about having a black man in the White House.

    You know what they say about a thin line between love and hate.

  48. RD, what I would like going forward is to take all that happened to Hillary (and Palin) and start to plan seriously for a woman candidate on the national ticket in the next two or three election cycles. If they can groom and prop up an American Idol like Obama, we can do better. I don’t want to write letters, petitions, or phone calls; that is not enough. We instead identify talent and then aggressively pursue to put them on the ticket and make them successful. If either party does not see the hunger in women for breaking that glass ceiling, they are fools. I think the time is ripe for us to act to get one of our own to succeed. No more of the 60s gender neutral, I want us to be gender-centric and push a talented woman to succeed into the highest office.

  49. same here pm317.

    any names?

    Jean Shaheen?
    Kay Hagan?

  50. pm, I agree about identifying woman talent.

  51. Is The Congressman Who Warned of Obama Dictatorship Really Crazy?

    http://patriotroom.com/is-the-congressman-who-warned-of-obama-dictatorship-really-crazy/

  52. These pompous asses act as if they are somehow redeemed by this act. BS! This man STOLE the primary and gamed the election with God knows how much voter fraud. He has lied, reneged on promises, and provided ambigous jibber jabber regarding his positions on issues. WTF are we supposed to celebrate????

    I just love ya SOD…I am lost in all of this, because it really doesn’t matter to me what the hell he does. It’s exactly how I felt about Bush–he is ILLEGITIMATE. That bell cannot be unrung. I don’t wish ill on the country of course, but he doesn’t exist for me in a way. I do not acknowledge him as president.

    I heard a clip of Farrakhan on the radio yesterday preaching: he was saying that IF Congress and “the white people” do not allow this “young man to realize his vision for our children and our grandchildren” then…

    Before it was the threat of riots if he didn’t win, now there will be riots/war if he is not allowed to do whatever the hell he wants.

    Too bad–we will be watching. I think our role is to hold them all accountable, speak and disseminate the truth, and fight for election reform, gender issues, gay rights–all the pesky democratic ideals he doesn’t want to stand in his way of being World Emperor.

  53. SOD: admit it, if Obama was a good Democrat. And dedicated public servant like Hillary and if he had won the nomination fair and square, we would have been screaming and dancing like everyone else. Studs Terkel started out as like many of us, intrigued by the idea of Obama breaking the color barrier. He also thought Clinton was too centrist when the primaries started. We don’t know what his last thoughts were about Clinton but the interview above was done just before he died last week. And here we have Studs backing off significantly from his early enthusiasm. He’s expressing true concern that Obama does not remember what it is like to be one of the grassroots organizers. He is worried that the times are calling for an FDR and Obama is NOT going to take bold steps like a true progressive should.
    I think Studs was pulling back and saying exactly what you’re saying: the idea of a black president is not enough.

  54. Re: potential women leaders: Kirsten Gillibrand, Rep. 41st District NY.

    She is like a Hillary mini-me. She is very independent, voting AGAINST the bail out TWICE, because she felt it did not do enough re: the housing issue and did not have enough accountability in it. I have met her–she was a fierce HRC supporter–and have a friend who is close to her. She told me Kirsten has always been that way–she has very strong, independent instincts and stands on principle.

    Dartmouth grad, lawyer, mom…she has great national potential.

  55. Part of identifying woman talent — can we reach out to Republican feminists (we know they exist)?
    If we are serious about electing women, it’s got to be women with bipartisan appeal and that probably means also looking at rising GOP women leaders.
    Support moderate (and honest, populist) GOP women in red states in exchange for getting Republican women to pledge support for honest, populist Dem women in blue states.
    Remember the ideal Presidential election woul dbe a GOP woman vs a Dem woman at the top of both tickets.

  56. if Obama was a good Democrat. And dedicated public servant like Hillary and if he had won the nomination fair and square, we would have been screaming and dancing like everyone else.

    I felt sad about that in Obamaland NYC last weekend. Everyone is so excited about the end of the Bush era and the potential for a new progressive direction–but they do not know the back story. It IS very difficult keeping this up, because we have also suffered through the Bush nightmare, and were passionate about a Dem in the White House, but I cannot celebrate someone who committed fraud and used such anti-progressive methods to get what he wanted. I have no choice–this experience is embedded in me, in all of us, and we will have to find our own way forward. We are an intelligent, perceptive, informed, and creative collective, and if we can tolerate the dissonance, a new and valuable voice will come out of this.

    PUMA UP!

  57. Obama was NEVER a grassroots organizer.

    He was an ASTROTURF organizer.

    He was paid to organize people in support of a specific agenda.

  58. The black community got what it wanted: a “symbolic” president and an equal opportunity to display their own bigotry by disallowing same sex marriages in voting down Prop 8. All things being equal, we are forced to live with it.

    In a period of our history when nothing short of competence was demanded owing to 8 years of poor governance, we were forced to consider a hand picked rookie simply based on the color of his skin.

    Commonsense would dictate that the person with 35 years of proven experience pitted against another with a scant background of less than 200 days in the Senate, along with slim resume to back that up, would have been the intelligent choice. Not so. In a misbegotten quest to show the world how liberal we have become, we instead once again chose an unknown to lead.

    Only time will tell if this error in judgment can be vindicated. Meanwhile, keep holding your breath.

  59. Obama was installed expressly to push the country further in the Bush / Cheney direction, not to turn us around . If Obama had a notion of doing anything but being worshipped, as the top 1% continues to rape the nation, he would not be there. IMO.

  60. After reading and listening to the Obama supporters talk about how their support of the One makes them feel good without actually doing anything good for anyone except Obama, I think we elected a feel good mega church minister who congratulates his congregation for coming to church on Sunday and acting like a$$holes the rest of the week.

  61. Oh, Paper doll – you are so right – this is a big chess game – and the players are just moving the pieces around the board – with the same outcomes that they are seeking.

    We need to somehow break the cycle.

  62. We didn’t “elect” anyone – it was a fait de complet – long before the election, the primaries – Myiq’s post is so on.

  63. Obama is a media creation. And like Bush before him who felt entitled because of his dynastic roots, he too feels that sense of entitlement that has been crafted onto him because of his r@ce.

    Leadership demands more than an overblown sense of what is due. So far, they each have fallen victim to their own lack of what the word leader implies.

  64. Isolde, on November 11th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    You pointed out a big reason for Barry’s appeal. Those who follow them feel like they can skate though stuff as well. Endless self congratulation, while being an a$$hole is a heady drug . Anyone offering it will gain followers

  65. I think we elected a feel good mega church minister who congratulates his congregation for coming to church on Sunday and acting like a$$holes the rest of the week.

    LOL! That’s great!

    Pat: well said, except it wasn’t really a “choice” that can be vindicated. They rigged it, stole it, manipulated it, cheated it. If it had been a fair playing field SHE was the choice–of the American people that is, not the Kennedys. Why don’t we just suspend elections for the Dem party and ask the Kennedys to choose every four years? It would save a lot of money and effort.

  66. Olympia Snowe (R-ME)
    Carolyn Maloney (D-NY)

    Wanna bet, though, that the GOP will look to the military next time?

  67. and President BackTrack begins to show his true colors.

    While I like the decision to not hire Code Pink as Defense advisors, I’m still not digging the eavesdropping thing.

    Whatever the case, screw you hippies. Here’s your hope and change right here 😀

    ===================================
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122636726473415991.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama is unlikely to radically overhaul controversial Bush administration intelligence policies, advisers say, an approach that is almost certain to create tension within the Democratic Party.

  68. Joanelle, on November 11th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    The way the 1 % is going, it is insisting on the people going, at some point, the route of pitch fork reform. They are closing off any other avenue of reform. Now the people with less dough have no representation at all . Dem and GOP are totally for the rich….and proud of it !

  69. Leadership demands more than an overblown sense of what is due. So far, they each have fallen victim to their own lack of what the word leader implies.

    He has skated by every step of the way, with people clearing the path before him. Now, for the first time, he is going to be in the center of that relentless pressure cooker. Not only is he already facing profound challenges, but there will be unforseen events as well. I do not see strength of character, principle, or humility in this man. I heard someone say, “The office makes the leader.” We will see. What I expect is that everyone will be running around in circles to protect, support and hide him. They can’t–not with the whole world watching 24/7 for 4 years. Good luck with that Barky.

  70. Can we also look at coming senate races to increase the number of women senators in 2010?
    In PA, frex, Sen Specter(R) is widely expected to retire because of his age and health, but I don’t know if there are any women who can be tapped to run for his seat. (And there’s an ongoing rumor that Chris Matthews wants to run for it as a Dem. Ack!)

  71. Isolde, at 10:44 am Said: “their support of the One makes them feel good without actually doing anything good for anyone except Obama”

    *********

    Yes! Did your read the first quote from the previous thread?

    “Barack Obama had a gift, and he knew it. He had a way of making very smart, very accomplished people feel virtuous just by wanting to help Barack Obama.”

  72. and President BackTrack begins to show his true colors.

    While I like the decision to not hire Code Pink as Defense advisors, I’m still not digging the eavesdropping thing.

    Whatever the case, screw you hippies. Here’s your hope and change right here 😀

    ===================================
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122636726473415991.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama is unlikely to radically overhaul controversial Bush administration intelligence policies, advisers say, an approach that is almost certain to create tension within the Democratic Party.

  73. off to work. Have a good day everyone.

  74. betuscha, on November 11th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    You are speaking of Petraeus? I think he was put in charge of the “Surge ” just for that purpose.

  75. The “goop” that defined Obama, along with the hatefulness that attached itself to his supporters, was amazing to watch. By depicting those of us who refused to join the Church of All Things Obama we were labeled, demeaned, intimidated, and dismissed. Loudly.

    But like battered women and those who fell for the super salesman’s pitch into buying a lousy product, those who beat the drum and the rest into submission will excuse and apologize for a long time to come. Not wanting to admit that maybe the wrong decision had been made they will continue the theme that this “historic” win had to have come with a few flaws and should be overlooked owing to the majesty of the intent.

    It will be a long while before the truth becomes evident and receives the overdue scrutiny that was lacking from the beginning.

  76. votermom, on November 11th, 2008 at 10:54 am
    Chris Matthews maybe expecting to benifit from the Barry vote fraud machine they now have in place in PA. I hope he doesn’t expect Barry to campaign for him? Then again, Barry might. ..if Chris keeps having leg tiggles.

  77. I’m off to work too – back to you all later – be good and “think hard”

  78. New post up

  79. I personally am unable to see the women voters in PA voting in favor of Chris Matthews. And even beyond that, the man is crazy!

    There are not enough towels in the world to wipe up his spit.

  80. Pat Johnson, on November 11th, 2008 at 11:01 am :

    lol! Pat, I agree…but it doesn’t matter . If the same voting fraud is still in place, they will” elect ” whoever they want . The PA voters didn’t vote for Barry in those numbers either . IMO

  81. Or Tommy Franks. Someone marketed as the next coming of Ike, to save us from a dangerous world and an intractable war run by a tyro.

  82. Tommy Franks was a close toady of Rumsfeld and acted on behalf of that lying administration in response. As a lifelong member of the military, he agreed to put our troops in harms way by bowing and scraping to Rumsfeld from the beginning.

    If you are suggesting “leadership” in the same sentence as Tommy Franks I am afraid I would have to respectfully disagree. He allowed his place as a leader to be thoroughly usurped by the insane logic of Rumsfeld who felt he could win this war on the cheap. As a result, over 4,000 men and women have been sacrificed to appease that policy.

  83. betuscha, on November 11th, 2008 at 11:06 am Said:
    Or Tommy Franks. Someone marketed as the next coming of Ike, to save us from a dangerous world and an intractable war run by a tyro

    Exactly . However Petraeus has more “success” and really, sometimes I think Moveon attacked him exactly to raise his profile even more.

  84. Yup, I dislike Franks too. Just sayin’ that things could be so chaotic after 4 years of Bambi that a GOP military man may prevail.

  85. murphy1234, on November 11th, 2008 at 10:22 am Said:

    same here pm317.

    any names?

    Jean Shaheen?
    Kay Hagan?
    ————————
    murphy, I am not going to advocate for one party. So it can be from either party but of majority centrist views. My position is that the initial shock of having a woman in that position has to be broken. So we’ll take talent from either side but middle of the road policies. Palin seems to have that Chutzpah and that hunger right now and I don’t see it in Shaheen or Hagan . One more thing, I am not willing to support any woman who backstabbed Clinton in this election.

  86. Jean Shaheen was an avid supporter of Hillary Clinton. Her husband was thrown off the Clinton support team for raising questions about BO’s drug use way back in the early primaries if I am not mistaken.

  87. What we are discussing ( I thought) is who they will try to installed next . Not who will actually lead us anywhere . … that’s a different story

  88. Pat Johnson, on November 11th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    Well Jean and her husband sound very interesting!!

  89. Right, paper doll. Do you get the feeling that the Skull & Bones crowd have always – and are still – calling the shots?

  90. On the GOP side, if they are part of republican for Environmental Protection or the Republican Main Street Partnership, they’re probably moderate. Olympia Snow is member of both, I think.

  91. I forgot about the shadowy Skull and Bones. Good point!

  92. RD: I love your mind, and your prose. Don’t get me wrong — I am grateful to read your blog — but I hope you are also taking the time to do some fiction and/or essay writing. You are always inspiring and moving. This post sets my head straight — it’s difficult to be surrounded by Ozombies who still live in the state of euphoria. It’s difficult when I, too, feel the “it’s so good to have a black guy in the white house” liberal warm fuzzies, to remember the emptiness that is the president elect. As I said, you help me to keep aware, avoid the liberal fuzzies, run like hell from the koolaid.

    On another topic, I did see Greta and Sarah. It was civil, respectful, substantive, amazing. I am so glad that Sarah has the chance to be heard.

  93. Well said RD! I recall over the summer that Studs signed an open letter to Obama in the wake of his decision to vote for the FISA bill, after he declared he would lead the filibuster. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080818/open_letter

    On my own blog I mocked the signators for the portion of the text that said, “We urge you, then, to listen to the voices of the people who can lift you to the presidency and beyond.”

    I’m still wondering what that line means; king of earth, master of the universe?

    But the point is that by the end of June, some prominent people, including Terkel, were beginning to understand, and fear, that Obama was presenting rhetoric, not a personal belief. I am disappointed that these voices were not raised louder. Perhaps then we could have avoided this crisis. Whatever their reservations, I suppose there was still enough kool-aid to go around, or they just weren’t paying enough attention.

    There was not, and there still isn’t a societal awareness as to how Obama got nominated and won this election. It was nauseating watching 60 Minutes as Plouffe and Axelgoebels waxed poetic on their candidate, and their campaign. Steve Croft is now complicit in covering up the greatest acts of fraud and illegality in the history of modern presidential politics. He perpetuated the lie about the small online donations, never even bothering to investigate caucus fraud, or the actions of the DNC. It was just a magical campaign la la la la la.

    Moving forward we need to take the issue of the fraud of 2008 and pound it into the consciousness of this country.

    On the subject of a woman on the national ticket; I fully support elevating more women to national office, in all three branches of government. But the fact of the matter is that we are a nation in crisis. Our government is operating without constitutional legitimacy. It is running amok, unchecked. We cannot simply throw out names of people. We need integrity. We need dedication to process. We need devotion to our nation’s founding principles. In other words, we need to look to the people, we need to look to ourselves to produce the next generation of leadership.

    Look at Sarah Palin. She was a mom who started out wanting a better school system for her kids. She’s the governor of Alaska. We need to assert ourselves, we need to take the political stage, and stop waiting around for these landed politicians to grow a conscience. We’ll be without the Constitution before that happens.

    We need to elevate candidates like Ed O’Reilly. Surely there are other men and women in our communities that believe as we do. Some of us in this movement should be considering running for public office. We should also be taking the grassroots network we have built and start using it to shame our government and push for real reform, and constitutional legitimacy.

    We cannot rely on those already on the stage. They have betrayed us again and again, and have no vested interest in making “change.” If they did they would not have condoned the actions of the DNC and Obama.

    I come back again and again to River Daughter’s speech at The Rise. It is the future with which I am most concerned, the generation that we are raising in our homes and our schools. Unless we act, unless we inject ourselves into the process and become the leaders, 2008 will happen again and again.

  94. murphy, how can I reach you?

  95. betuscha, on November 11th, 2008 at 11:23 am Said:
    Right, paper doll. Do you get the feeling that the Skull & Bones crowd have always – and are still – calling the shots?

    There are countless of reasons to believe this. John Kerry being SOS is but one …and far from the most telling

  96. shtuey, on November 11th, 2008 at 11:55 am Said:
    Well said RD! I recall over the summer that Studs signed an open letter to Obama in the wake of his decision to vote for the FISA bill, after he declared he would lead the filibuster. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080818/open_letter

    On my own blog I mocked the signators for the portion of the text that said, “We urge you, then, to listen to the voices of the people who can lift you to the presidency and beyond.”

    I’m still wondering what that line means; king of earth, master of the universe?

    LOL! Don’t give them ideas!

    Great post as always shtuey! I’m tired of people saying they will hold Barry’s feet to the fire and the next thing you know, they are massaging Barry’s feet in front of a fire on a bear skin rug!

  97. RD: You are truly the best. I, for one, will never give up not as long as we have the sisterhood of the traveling pant suit.

    Power to the Pumas

  98. paper doll, on November 11th, 2008 at 12:30 pm Said: I’m tired of people saying they will hold Barry’s feet to the fire and the next thing you know, they are massaging Barry’s feet in front of a fire on a bear skin rug!

    So true, hilarious, and sad…all at the same time. I bet Matthews gets more than a tingle up his leg while rubbing Barry’s feet.

  99. WOW, RD, I needed this post!

    It is easy for me to just want to withdraw because I feel like I have no control over the travesty of this election. The sense of rage and betrayal are hard to live with if they do not lead to productive action.

  100. Nicely turned phrase:
    … “the sound of the beginning of the 20th century before the talkies rubbed the edges off our heritage. ” …

  101. RD – I haven’t listened to This American Life for 8 months, I figured they were based out of Chicago and judged their presidential backing on their location. I just couldn’t stand having to give up one more area of my life…I may just give them a listen soon, thanks for bringing me back.

  102. You PUMAs are pathetic. You are the same bunch that called the GWB presidency invalid, and now you are calling the Obama presidency invalid. In both instances all because your choice candidate didn’t win. How much more low, cowardly, and pathetic can you get. I feel sick to my stomach.

  103. Look. Obama kicked Hillary’s ass. She kept going dirty and negative, the American people shut her down. Same thing with McCain. Obama stayed on message, McCain went dirty, and got his ass handed to him by Obama. To say Obama stole the election is absurd.

    If an unknown junior senator from Illinois was able to rise from obscurity and “steal” the election from the two major parties in America, and from some of the most well known and well connected politicians in America, than the man is a genius of superhero proportions.

    But we all know that didn’t happen. America spoke on Nov. 4th. Time to quite being spinless whiners.

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