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The Way Forward with Dignity and Democracy

Rise, Hillary, Rise!

Rise, Hillary, Rise!

Part of “The Way Forward Series”

Sorry my posting have been a bit short for my usual style. Life is catching up with me and I needed to tend to real life matters. PS: Thanks for the wonderful B-Day wishes from everyone!

I love this Hillary photo so much, I had to post it twice. From Perez Hilton (yes, I read the Cuban Gossip Gangsta):

Hillary Clinton ditched the blocky pantsuit to glam it up in a conservative floor-length gown in New York City on Monday night.

She was honored at the Glamour Magazine Honors the 2008 Women of the Year event at Carnegie Hall.

[Image via WENN.]

The woman pictured above, the wondrous, brilliant Senator Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton, wanted her voters to support President-Elect Barack Obama after she gracefully conceded her candidacy on August 26th 2008. Although a good percentage did, many of her voters decided to support the Republican candidate, Senator John McCain. I (like many of you reading this) did as well. Why? Why did lifelong Democrats take the plunge into “Red States-ville?”

For me, it was Democracy (as I stated in this Conflucian post). I cannot forgive nor forget how my vote was stolen in 2008 Democratic primaries which became collateral damage due to a DNC chosen symbolic presidency. Identity politics should never EVER trump Democracy, otherwise, any type of right which as Americans we are promised by as per the Constitution, will be erased thanks to the media and the multinational corporations that control everything in this country.

Living in Florida for the past 8 years helped me understand this: votes are stolen, misplaced, misinterpreted to benefit whoever paid off the media and/or global conglomerate who wants a return on their investment in XYZ puppet candidate. This is not the United States of America taught to us in our schoolbooks, nor the United states of America that my parents decided to make their new life as immigrants in, nor the United States of America our Founding Fathers/Mothers and brave soldiers fought for. But it’s the United States of America we are currently living in and I refuse to accept Democracy being thrown under the rug just because the media tells me to.

I like Will Bower’s recent Huffing Post’s proposal of Primary Reform but I’d add the elimination of all caucuses and closed primaries ONLY to registered party members. I’d like to see the elimination of superdelegates (since they can be too easily influenced by $$$ or forced to support a candidate by threatening their careers) and let the primary winner be decided by a count of the popular vote, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE. Even though some of you may disagree, but I really think that a voter registration card with photo identification included in the card (like a driver’s license except it’s a “voting license”) is vital to ensure the sanctity of one person = one vote. Anyone who’s that interested in participating in Democracy would be willing to register with a photo ID voter card – and/or anyone who’s willing to put up their picture on a MySpace or FaceBook account too.

Voter registration rolls on Excel spreadsheets (like I saw in FL at my polling station) is not accurate nor does it ensure a secure checkpoint, as early voters could vote a couple of days before Election Day and no one would be able to prove that they already voted. Human data entry processes would take several weeks just to update last minute early voters. I think scanning a voter ID card under a laser reader should keep count whether you already “early voted” or not. I can go on & on of the many ways Democracy can be ensured. Again, some of you may disagree and that’s ok. If you have a better idea, please leave it in the comments section. Anyone who’s interested in fair elections should be able to agree on some of these points.

Ultimately, I think we as that loud and hellacious group who dared defy the status quo of our Democratic Party should concentrate all of our efforts to ensure that the electoral process is guaranteed. No citizen in this great nation should be denied a voice in the electoral process. We have many battles to wage that falls under the Big Tent of Human Rights, but none of these will be achievable unless we have an indivisible and uncorruptable system for voting.

Cross posted at LiberalCrat

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131 Responses

  1. I’m rather pessimistic. I remember all the cries for electoral reform after 2000 and so little came of them.

  2. I like all your suggestions but truthfully I’m not sold on a popular vote winner for the GE. First, the EC is in the Constitution & it would be difficult to change it (a Constitutional amendment — and I really don’t think we should mess with the Constitution if we don’t have to — its a personal philosophy I know). Second, the EC system does actual help balance out the “city” vote with the “rural” vote. True, it doesn’t perfectly balance the two, but it does prevent a pol from only concentrating on getting huge turn out in the urban areas while being able to ignore the rural areas. I think it has the potential to lead to only those who the “city” voters want getting elected. I think the President should have to appeal to both the city & rural voters.

  3. Angie – I was referring to primary elections- maybe I should make that more clear in the post.

  4. Hey SM: Wow that is an awesome picture of Hillary. I have not read Will’s post yet but will rush over and read it now. We definitely need to get rid of all caucuses and I tagree with you on the primaries as well. I also tend to agree with you on the voter registration card. I am sick to death of this Acorn voter fraud bull shit.

  5. sm — oops! sorry!! with the primary, I’m fine with that.

  6. sm — forgot to say — Happy Birthday (I know, I’m late — but I’m sincere!)

  7. Hey PUMA-SF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Angie – I made an edit to read “primary winner.” I wouldn’t change the electoral vote process either – at least for now.

  8. Yeah I have to agree with ugsome–nobody wants electoral reform when they can gain more by gaming the system. With tObama crew in charge, it’s DOA.

  9. I think superdelegates could play a role in the event no candidate gets a majority of the popular vote (like in a 3-way race)

    If they keep the pledged delegate system then the delegates need to reflect the popular vote, no “weighting” or unequal apportionment.

  10. Angie: ((((THANK YOU!))) I do a month-long celebration up until my PUMA cub’s birthday in December (she’s fierce Sagi) then it’s partytime until January 6.

  11. SM: Love you!!!! Need to see your face! How’s the alergies?

  12. PUMA-SF: the only thing from keeping me sneezing is cheap but decent Chardonnay – hey, it’s good for the heart too (LOL!)

  13. That picture looks pretty fake to me!

    And I am not holding my breath for election reform. Not with Obama and friends feeling vindicated that everything they did was ok because they won. To them all means justify ends.

    Incidentally, I was thinking about the word change. In Russian the word “change” is “izmeneniya.” The word “betrayal” in Russian is “izmena.” The root is the same. It struck me as curious. Any other languages link the word change with betrayal?

  14. sm77 — a month long! you even top me — I do a “week long” celebration.

    Maybe if I’m ever blessed enough to have a cub of my own s/he will be born in May, then I can to a month long celebration too.

  15. myiq2xu, on November 11th, 2008 at 11:47 pm Said: Edit Comment

    I think superdelegates could play a role in the event no candidate gets a majority of the popular vote (like in a 3-way race)

    If they keep the pledged delegate system then the delegates need to reflect the popular vote, no “weighting” or unequal apportionment.

    That’s a good idea – have the Super Schmelegates be a tie breaker and vote according to the wishes of their constituents.

  16. I agree 100% no stupid “weighing” for the pledged delegates — I wouldn’t mind doing a “winner take all” for each state, though, like in the GE — that way, the primary winner’s map would more closely resemble what needs to be won in the GE.

  17. SM77:

    But ONLY in case of a tie or no majority vote winner.

    The delegates can vote on party business however they please but they should be bound to vote for the candidate they were pledged to on at least the first ballot.

  18. angienc, on November 11th, 2008 at 11:52 pm Said: Edit Comment

    sm77 — a month long! you even top me — I do a “week long” celebration.

    Maybe if I’m ever blessed enough to have a cub of my own s/he will be born in May, then I can to a month long celebration too.

    Angie, I’ve learned that happiness is created, not given. If I don’t celebrate me, who will? NOBODY.

  19. myiq2xu, on November 11th, 2008 at 11:57 pm Said: Edit Comment

    SM77:

    But ONLY in case of a tie or no majority vote winner.

    The delegates can vote on party business however they please but they should be bound to vote for the candidate they were pledged to on at least the first ballot.

    I can certainly agree to that! Or else we can work in a Capt.Spaulding clause: If you like your kidneys, vote like your state’s voters did.

  20. sm77 — so true! Too bad I didn’t know that when I was younger, but I don’t think most women do until they mature. It is true that youth is wasted on the young. lol

  21. Thanks for the picture of Hillary, SM. I agree with you that without voting rights we might as well hang it up. It will be hard to get the DNC to do anything about the primary system, since the guy who cheated won. I hope they don’t try to get more caucuses or more weighting of delegates. But we will fight for what’s right!

  22. Happiness is not a destination, but a way of traveling.

  23. AngieNC: You are as young as you want to be. It’s never too late to celebrate all the wonderful things that make you the vibrant bright person that you are. And so what if people don’t like it? Up theirs!

  24. Captain Spaulding says “Money won’t happiness but poverty can’t buy shit.”

  25. “Money won’t buy happiness but poverty can’t buy shit.”

    I hate when I hit submit just i I see I f/u

  26. bb — I’m convinced the guy who cheated during the primary also cheated during the GE — Ohio & Acorn, word of close to 100% turn out in Philadelphia, the mere fact that he “won” VA & NC — sorry, I don’t believe it. Plus, that orgy of hubris that took place in Chicago on Nov. 4 does not get planned unless you are SURE.
    Of course, the msm isn’t reporting it (and McCain was backed into a corner to not protest it or being deemed a r@cist), but then again, BO $700 million isn’t getting audited either.

  27. Okay, I double klutzed and I’m not even drinking (yet)

  28. I gotta go get alcoholed

  29. We already have a clause like that in some states, but our delegates didn’t adhere to it. And there’s no penalty or no enforcement agency if they don’t, apparently.

  30. sm77 — oh, I agree — the best thing that I gained getting older is my ability to say “f*ck off” to @ssholes & mean it!
    Like my therapist told me: you don’t have to be an @sshole, but you don’t have to be nice to the @ssholes either.
    Best advice I ever got.

  31. A few other things to add the voting reform wish list:

    1. No special hocus pocus special wingie dingie super-dooper delegates such as the DNC chairperson gets to appoint 25 or so. All of these are eliminated.

    2. A federal law to replace state law on the conduct of federal elections — U.S. House, Senatorial and Presidential elections. The law would also limit judicial interpretations of “party rules” being given the weight of law. A uniform standard on petitioning to be on ballots for third parties.

    3. I agree sm — caucuses are relegated to the ash heap of stolen elections.

  32. BB: Doesn’t Hillary look PHENOMENAL????? I LOVE THIS PHOTO. This was taken yesterday at Carnegie Hall.

    I don’t know if the DNC will listen especially now that Obama’s Chicago Thug Machine is running the White House, but we can sure as hell try. Why not? If we can create this level of consciousness in 5 months, who’s to say what we can accomplish?

    I have to go to bed soon – I have to get up in 5.5 hours… good night everyone & see you tomorrow! Thank you for reading & commenting!

  33. myiq — I thought the expression was:

    Money can’t buy happiness, but it can buy a reasonable facsimile.

  34. night sm! Thanks for the thought provoking post!

  35. The recent stories about Kennedy pushing Hillary out on the health care issue make a lot more sense after reading your revelatory! post:

    with the quotes from Newsweek: … on In November 2006, Craig sat next to George Stevens, an old friend of the Robert Kennedy clan, at another Obama speech. Stevens leaned over to Craig and said, “What do you think of this guy for president? I haven’t heard anybody like this since Bobby Kennedy.” Craig instantly replied, “Sign me up.” Stevens and Craig approached Obama coming out of the speech and asked, “What are you doing in 2008?” Obama gave them a big grin and said, “Oh, man, it wasn’t that good.” But before long Craig and Stevens were raising money for Obama’s political-action committee, the Hope Fund. Obama was amused by the devotion of the two old Kennedy hands. After a while, every time he saw the two men he would say, “Here come the Kool-Aid boys.”
    That December of 2006, Obama told Craig and Stevens, “Lay off me for a while. I’ve got to talk to Michelle.” Obama went off to Hawaii with his wife and two girls for the holidays. “I thought, ‘We’re dead’,” recalled Craig. “He’s not going to be able to do it.”
    […]
    Obama was growing accustomed to adulation. Greg Craig was not the only old Kennedy hand to fall in love. At Coretta Scott King’s funeral in early 2006, Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Robert Kennedy, leaned over to him and whispered, “The torch is being passed to you.” “A chill went up my spine,” Obama told an aide.
    […]

    Obama was chosen – not by the people, but by the Kennedy’s and the Chicago machine – they forced Hillary out – and she let them do it.

    This wasn’t change, it was solidification of the old guard.

    She has nothing to lose by standing up against it now.

  36. Angie,

    I agree. There’s not much doubt that he cheated. Not when some of his staff were caught in Ohio for planning to vote there after already voting in their home states. How many of his workers got away with voting twice. When the leader of the “movement” has no values or ethics, his followers probably don’t either.

  37. SM,

    She looks gorgeous. I miss her so much.

  38. bb — exactly — the fish rots from the head.

  39. myiq — are you leaving or are you just giving us a warning?

  40. So now she wears dresses: She would hve given Vogue something to talk about

    This dress is even better than the one posted up there, SM. Tell me she ain’t fierce! I dare ya.

    On the subject of vote registration issues. That card wih picture is actually a great idea. That mitigates the whole needing an id thing. I prefer that. As for the GE, I’ve never been able to reconcile what is a better depiction of the popular will, even though I prefer that. I’m never objective.

  41. Great ideas, SM!

    THANK you!

  42. sm, this article is beautifully written…thank you! We have seen what is wrong with the current voting system…let’s fix it!

  43. god– Bill in the background on that 3 picture Regency is too die for!!

  44. My therapist told me not to be an asshole so I stabbed him.

    Then he got all hysterical for no reason. It’s not like I stabbed him in a vital organ or anything.

  45. brb

  46. Angie: Doesn’t he look deadly in that tux? Seriously, if sh’d ressed like that during the administration, people would’ve bitched a lot less. Sexiest couple ever. (Ha, Hillary’s cleavage is back and she’s growing her hair. That’s what I like to see.)

  47. The only thing I don’t like about the voter id card having a picture (I’m totally down with it being “scannable” so that people can only vote once) is the fact they would would have to be renewed every so often so the picture stays current — I think people would find it too much of a hassle to go every 4 years to renew your voter id picture just like your DL. So, I think a scannable voter ID card, plus a DL (or other picture ID like a passport) would be a better solution, only for the convenience of it.

  48. Regency — I agree about the cleavage & the hair! lol

    as for Bill — yes, absolutely gorge in that tux. Now, don’t kill me, but I think he has gotten better looking with age — he was a tad “husky” when he was President & I didn’t find him 1/2 as attractive as I do now.

  49. Ange: I like him the way he is now. He’s softer but he’s still got that footballer edge to him. I like that he can scowl with just enough force to make you take a step back but come across as patently charming as he does it. He’s settled into that body. That’s why I like it.

  50. Reg — agreed — he is at his peak now. And Hillary, imo, just keeps getting better — so elegant — she didn’t quite have the polish she does now in the 90s (which is to be expected — that has a lot to do with life experience).

  51. And since we are on the subject — MO can’t dress for sh!t — the fawning praise for her is simply over the top. These people must not remember nor have they ever had any access to pictures of Jackie — that woman was a fashion icon. MO is a very, very cheap imitation.

  52. With a scannable ID card, though, if someone figured out a way to screw with that, couldn’t they do a lot more damage than having live people vote multiple times? I could be wrong, but I suspect there’s more fraud involved in preventing people from voting then multiple voting, and the scanning system could feed into that.

  53. All this primary overhaul? Are you all serious? Do you think the Obamacrats are going to change one comma in the system they gamed for victory? We either have to figure out how to beat them at their game or we have to take over and reform the only semi-viable vehicle available on the horizon–Republican Party which is now flat on its face—is dead throughout New England and most of the wild, wild west. (Well, there is a carcass there and we might be able to put some meat on the bones) ;or we do PUMA roars at the gates of the Obamanation and trick some Obot into opening the portals at the wrong moment when we sweep in and clean the place with a high powered blower.

  54. Why bother with ID cards? Just do away with voting. If the 4th estate is dead, you can rest assured democracy is already getting dragged below the surface. Really, the only people who ought to “vote” are those “educated” cosmopolitan New Englanders.

    MO is a fucking “aesthetic” nightmare! 4 years of her and Ichabod Crane…….

  55. I feel a little guilta thinking it but I’m completely ready to game the system for our benefit. I agree that they’re not going to stop now that they’ve won with it. Were not going to get these changes in place before 2012 so we have to be prepared to play their game better than they are.

  56. jvsp — lol — Ichabob Crane indeed!! I hadn’t heard that one but it is certainly fitting.

    btw — I decided on a shot gun, not a rifle (don’t need to aim as well to hit something with a shot gun) Plus, having a shot gun is a Southern tradition, not to mention I like the way cocking the shot gun sounds.

    I’m going to a gun store with a firing range this weekend & will get to test different ones out before deciding which one to get — and I will keep going to the firing range to get comfy with it.

    I think I’ll name it Lulu.

  57. Every security precaution can be evaded or negated – but the trick is to keep improving and fixing holes.

    A state issued scannable card could stay in effect if the person moved within the state or reregistered party affiliation. It could easily be linked to a DL or state ID – California has a magnetic swipe stip on ID/DL’s already that could be linked to the registrar of voters.

    Cards could be faked but they won’t show in the registration database.

    If we can make ATM’s and CC’s reasonably secure and accurate we can do the same for voting.

    Diebold ATM’s never lose your withdrawls do they?

  58. Regency:

    NO NO NO NO!

    That’s the thinking of WKJM and kos – look how that worked out for us.

  59. Nobody’s going to run in the primary in 2012, and the thing is, even if we wanted to outplay them at their own game, we can’t. We don’t know how and they can always outsleaze us. And they have the media on their side, defining dirt as roses.

  60. What favor did Emmanuel call in to get the Chief of Staff position? Who’s calling in favors now and what were the favors.

    Let’s start a betting pool and include the marker.

  61. myiq is right — passports have a very sophisticated & secure scan system — I’m sure the same can be replicated in voter IDs, or we could just vote via our passports — you have to be a citizen to get one, they are extremely difficult to forge, etc. Make it so that everyone who gets a passport & is over the age of 18 is registered to vote.
    And yes, I know that not everyone has a passport, but everyone who is a citizen can get one.

  62. Obama won the popular vote excluding Michigan where he was not the ballot.

    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_clinton_win_the_popular_vote.html

    And if Michigan’s “uncommited” votes were accorded to Obama, Obama still wins the popular vote.

  63. Owning a shotgun was a Southern tradition when I grew up. I remember when I was about 12 yrs old, my grandfather and an uncle took me out to practice shooting. That was the only time. And I don’t remember them ever hunting, just having the gun.

  64. angie
    Lulu LOL!!! you soooooo rock!!! Let us know what manufacture….write up a review/guide. I’m still looking. …friend of mine in Utah says her friends gun shop is inundated with business… can’t keep up.

    You’re thinking of going out hunting, right?

  65. Puma-SF — I think the illustrious Gov. of ILL Blagovitch is the one who called in the Rahm chit.

  66. No, but Diebold ATMs and Diebold voting machines are different. They have no incentive to screw with our money because they’ll get caught, it’s more easily verifiable, and we’ll get redress and they’ll stop making all that cash, not so much with our votes. I’m not worrying about cards being faked so much as about someone from the Obama campaign identifying their non voters and you show up to vote, your card is scanned and whoops–somebody already voted with your card! No vote for you!

  67. jvsp — I’m getting Lulu for home protection — when I told the guy on the phone at the gun shop he seemed like he heard that all the time & he was 100% behind it.

    I will not be adverse to hunting if it comes to that though.

    I’ve heard about the rise in gun sales too — who can blame them after the travesty we saw with our votes being discounted, thrown out and/or nullified during the primary.

  68. Boston boomer: prove to me that those Ohio campaigners voted in two states! They registered legitimately in Ohio after having lived there for months. They did NOT go to their home state and vote and return to Ohio to vote. that is a lie and it should be beneath all of you to continue your lies about cheating and how this election was a fraud, etc. You Hillary worshippers are the only ones saying this – why is that? Your bitterness, which you continue to deny, is sooooo obvious.

  69. taw46 — most everybody has a shotgun in the South — it is like having a bicycle — even if you don’t use it, you have one.

    My grandfather had a lot of guns — he was a hunter. My dad doesn’t have any (not big on hunting) but he & my grandfather took my brother out & taught him to hunt & shoot (although my brother doesn’t hunt now — never cared for it too much). They did not teach me how to hunt though — I stayed home & learned to needle point! Sexists! LOL

  70. Seriously:

    But if that happened we would know there was fraud

  71. angienc, on November 12th, 2008 at 12:44 am Said:

    jvsp — lol — Ichabob Crane indeed!! I hadn’t heard that one but it is certainly fitting.

    btw — I decided on a shot gun, not a rifle (don’t need to aim as well to hit something with a shot gun) Plus, having a shot gun is a Southern tradition, not to mention I like the way cocking the shot gun sounds.

    I’m going to a gun store with a firing range this weekend & will get to test different ones out before deciding which one to get — and I will keep going to the firing range to get comfy with it.

    I think I’ll name it Lulu.

    Check out a 20 gauge and get #3 buckshot.

    http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot22.htm

  72. Sharon — on Greta I saw people confessing, apologizing & withdrawing their votes, so suck on that. Ever heard of Palentra? The students at that newspaper uncovered thousands of fraudulent votes cast. Furthermore, it seems to me that you don’t have a basic understanding of voter fraud — not only is voting in 2 states “fraud” it is also fraud to vote in a state where you don’t fucking LIVE even if you do not vote in the state where you do. Obot logic is unbelievable.

    Furthermore, the USSC allowed 200,000 non-verified votes to be counted in Ohio — of course, getting your news from the Obot daily talking points memo you probably don’t know that.

  73. Sharon
    When you can demonstrate you can square the circle you can comment. Until then, do your chores and refrain from speaking.

  74. Angie, I think you’ll find that info useful.

    It’s the “pump” noise that gets the intruder’s attention. Shotguns don’t so much “cock” like a pistol. It’s when you snap the barrel closed or when you pump a round into the chamber. Of course you can go for a semi-auto shotgun also.

  75. I don’t know if this of interest to you guys, but I just got an email stating that the JohnMcCain08 Store is introducing a new line of products:

    Palin ’12: Conservatism Lives!

    They’ve put their eggs in a basket early.

  76. TDS is starting to make fun of Teleprompter Jesus

    They have no choice – it’s make fun of him or go off the air

  77. Fredster — thanks it was helpful– it is the pump noise that is so ‘frightening” with the shot gun. That is why I don’t want a semi-automatic one, even though I know they have less recoil, because I want that shot gun noise.

    And don’t worry — I will try a lot of different ones out at the firing range before I buy one.

  78. myiq — but I thought it was agreed that there just isn’t anything funny about Teleprompter Jesus? Didn’t Maher say so?

  79. Regency – nice link to Hillary pictures.

    sm – picture of Hill in black dress = definitely HAWT!

    Okay, back to serious discussion.

  80. Yeah, but who would care? If enough people get their money stolen by a Diebold ATM, the government will have to step in and do something about it to avoid chaos. If enough people get their votes stolen, then they’ll hold a hearing and be on the phone asking who they have to bribe to get the results rigged their way. See Ohio, 2004, and Ohio, 2008. You can’t prove fraud if they have ‘data’ saying your card was already used and there are instiutional reasons to ignore it.

  81. jvsp– LMAO!

    Sharon
    When you can demonstrate you can square the circle you can comment. Until then, do your chores and refrain from speaking.

  82. Racking the pump will give a burglar bowel quakes.

    Fire a round and he’ll be running with squishy pants, even if the shot wasn’t aimed anywhere near him.

    You should get one with modified choke – at close range you want the widest pattern to account for bad aim.

  83. The Gov. can’t even secure what it has now let alone a new system. Hell, some MIT kids hacked the Mass. transit authority system a while back. NY state still uses it’s mechanical machines designed in my home town I might add and they work juuuuuuuust fine.

    angie, regarding all the talk about rifles, a year ago if I had heard someone “talking” like we are about this election year, I would have thought them a kook. Now it all seems perfectly reasonable, which, I don’t know about others, scares me to no end.

  84. okay, I can watch my favorite show again! (TDS)

  85. Lessons for Republicans:

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/

  86. myiq — have you so little expectations of me — already expecting I’ll have bad aim? LOL

    I’ll take that advice though!

  87. myiq — of course TDS should be safe — no more Hillary or Palin to demolish.

  88. TDS isn’t going to be able to keep this up for long before the audience stars booing for want of good material. It’s not just that he gaffes, he does so i a spectacularly common fashion everyday. That will not stay funny for 4 years.

  89. Worst weapon for home defense is a rifle (other than .22)

    Shoot through a burglar, a wall, another wall, your neighbor, your neigbor’s wife, bullet finally stopped by third wall.

  90. I’m not getting a rifle — I’m not that confident in my aim.

  91. Angie:

    Shooting in high stress situations is different from plinking bottles and cans out in the countryside somewhere.

    I used to carry a gun as part of my job.

  92. I have actually always wanted a .9 mil, FBI-issue.

  93. new thread in 10 minutes

  94. myiq — I know mon amour — I was teasing. I know my aim will not be good, that is why I”m opting for the shotgun & why I am going to practice a lot at the firing range so I can get comfortable with, so that in a high stress situation I’m not fumbling around with it like a doofus. I’ve got a big learning curve ahead of me, having never handled a gun before.

    BTW — where you a police officer?

  95. Bank robber

  96. myiq!! LOL I should have known better then to ask! LOL

  97. Exactly, jvsp–hacking one database can do more damage than getting thousands of actual people involved on the ground.

  98. btw — I like how you give us the count down — new thread up in 10 minutes — so we can all get ready.

  99. I would recommend a good quality .22 caliber semi-auto pistol for home defense to anyone who isn’t used to guns, especially women.

    The recoil is light, the sound will scare away most intruders and the gun can be hidden in a nightstand.

    Pop 8-9 caps in a bad guy and he’ll lose interest in bothering you really fast.

  100. myiq: that’s what I liked about that remington.

    Did you see the “test” with the jugs of water? The 20 gauge w/buckshot went thru 4 gallon bottles of water!!

  101. jvsp — btw I got the name Lulu from that Jerry Garcia song “Been All Around this World” that starts:

    Up on the Blue Ridge mountain, there I’ll take my stand
    Up on the Blue Ridge mountain, there I’ll take my stand
    A rifle on my shoulder, six-shooter in my hand
    Lord, Lord, I’ve been all around this world

    Lulu, my Lulu, come and open the door
    Lulu, my Lulu, come and open the door
    Before I have to walk on in with my old forty-four
    Lord, I’ve been all around this world

  102. myiq — but you need good aim with a handgun, don’t you? I want maximum scariness — I think the shotgun is the best one for that.

    And to tell the truth, I’m more scared of a handgun then a shotgun.

  103. With a quality .22 semi-auto pistol you can pop off 9 rounds in 2-3 seconds.

    Indoors in the middle of the night it will sound like machine gun fire.

    BAM-BAM-BAM-BAM-BAM-BAM-BAM-BAM-BAM

  104. Angie, I’m also getting a 9mm pistol. Had one before the storm, but I used hollow-point ammo. Even with bad aim if you hit the torso you can damage them quite enough.

    And this is just replacing firearms for me, lost from K. However there are some real funky folks who have moved into St. Bernard. Read an article about two guys getting into an argument and one guy comes out with a sword to try to decapitate the other guy! 😯

  105. I’m sure you are right, but I’m sticking with the shotgun. If the Apocalypse goes down, I will not be able to hunt with a .22.and I’m not ready for 2 guns! 🙂

  106. If you woke up in the middle of the night and heard an intruder, you could grab a pistol without getting out of bed, point it at the door or window with one hand while dialing 9-1-1 with the other.

    A shotgun is a two-handed weapon.

  107. Regency, on November 12th, 2008 at 1:17 am Said:
    I have actually always wanted a .9 mil, FBI-issue.

    My sis likes the idea of a 9mm. The idea of her with a weapon is terrifying. A former girl friend of mine carried one at her father’s encouragement after she had been assaulted. It turned out that while she was filling up at a petrol station the aforementioned perpetrator (never convicted) pulled up (mind you at her university and not home town). It took a good number of hours and law enforcement to get her to disengage. Her father was a Marine recon and she knew how to shoot. The perp was in tears to say the least. She still carries to this day.

    my home protection is a 100+ lbs rotty.

  108. Fredster — that sounds just like something you’d hear from The Parish! LOL

  109. ID: The only thing that makes sense in the 21st century is bio-identity scan. An iris scan I think has the highest security rating.

  110. My home protection is Captain Spaulding

  111. myiq — maybe you can teach me about handling guns (along with a few other things I have in mind) 😉

  112. Oh no! They were ex-pats from nola!!

    (no white boots were involved!)

  113. well, right now my home protection is a chihuahua and a broom, so I need to move up.

  114. Fredster — white boots!! LOVE IT!! LOL

  115. “…home protection is a chihuahua and a broom…”

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  116. angie, one year one of the carnival clubs in da parish (when there was more than one!) threw little, tiny white shrimp boots for a throw!! 😆

  117. yo, on November 12th, 2008 at 12:49 am Said:

    If you take only the vote that were actually cast, including MI, Clinton wins by 287K.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

    If you want to start talking estimates, OK, throw in IA, NV, ME and WA. Of course, since we’re trying to get an accurate count here of the popular vote, you would certainly want to count the WA vote based on the primary where so many more people participated than in the caucus. Clinton leads by +226K.

    Now, uncommitted votes in MI were 238K, HOWEVER, these would constitue votes for Obama, Edwards, Richardson and Biden. Froom the MI priamry polls I saw (http://www.pollster.com/polls/mi/08-mi-dem-pres-primary.php) we could generously give Obama 25% and Edwards 15% of the total votes or about 62% and 38%, respectively, of the uncommitted. So, give Obama 148K Uncommitted (0.62 x 238K = 148K). Clinton now leads by 78K.

    Now, caucus votes were used for NE in the total votes we started with from Real Clear Politics. But, NE also had a primary, so, since we’re estimating, we should really use NE’s primary votes, not the caucus since so many more people participated in the primary. You want to count all the votes, don’t you? We would have to take away 10K of Obama’s +14K vote lead from the caucus, net Clinton 10K (see link below). Clinton leads by 88K.

    http://www.sos.state.ne.us/elec/2008/pdf/2008%20primary%20official%20results.pdf

    Of course we could go even further with estimating and note that Clinton could have gotten many more votes if states that held caucuses, actually had held priamries.

  118. I am sorry if this gets double posted, but the first time I posted it has gone into moderation and I would like this post to be here in case yo is around:
    ___________________________________

    yo, on November 12th, 2008 at 12:49 am Said:

    If you take only the vote that were actually cast, including MI, Clinton wins by 287K.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

    If you want to start talking estimates, OK, throw in IA, NV, ME and WA. Of course, since we’re trying to get an accurate count here of the popular vote, you would certainly want to count the WA vote based on the primary where so many more people participated than in the caucus. Clinton leads by +226K.

    Now, uncommitted votes in MI were 238K, however, these would constitute votes for Obama, Edwards, Richardson and Biden. From the MI primary polls I saw we could generously give Obama 25% and Edwards 15% of the total votes or about 62% and 38%, respectively, of the uncommitted. So, give Obama 148K Uncommitted (0.62 x 238K = 148K). Clinton now leads by 78K.

    http://www.pollster.com/polls/mi/08-mi-dem-pres-primary.php

    Now, caucus votes were used for NE in the total votes we started with from Real Clear Politics. But, NE also had a primary, so, since we’re estimating, we should really use NE’s primary votes, not the caucus since so many more people participated in the primary. You want to count all the votes, don’t you? We would have to take away 10K of Obama’s +14K vote lead from the caucus, net Clinton 10K (see link below). Clinton leads by 88K.

    http://www.sos.state.ne.us/elec/2008/pdf/2008%20primary%20official%20results.pdf

    Of course we could go even further with estimating and note that Clinton could have gotten many more votes if states that held caucuses, actually had held primaries

  119. The only truly fair way for the primary is to go to a national primary day. The first and second place winners for each party are the Prez and VP nom choices, respectively.

  120. And, get rid of caucuses.

  121. PS – Hillary looks gorgeous!!! 🙂

  122. Happy belated birthday SM!

    I second your recommendations, and I like the options suggested in the other post as well. I cannot fathom why this is such a f*cking problem. We can put a man on the moon, and spend billions of dollars on war, but do not seem to have the political will or energy to secure the most sacred element of our democracy. The weighting of delegates is ridiculous, and (thank you Donna B) yet another manipulation of the voting process to favor certain groups. That alone would have prevented an Obama “win.” The caucuses have either got to go, or as suggested by Anglanchel, make the delegates proportional. Again, that would have prevented his “win.” Lastly, there is absolutely no excuse for the lack of identification. I can’t believe you have to present your license to conduct any other kind of significant business, but not to vote for the president. I don’t know the particulars of a voter card, but why can’t our licenses be used now?

    And what is the likelihood that they will even listen to us? They didn’t give a hoot what we thought this year, or since 2000–what will cause them to suddenly realize these are OUR elections?

  123. I made the mistake of watching cnn for awhile last night. Not only did I have to endure their shameless self-congratulation for their election coverage, a collection of photos of Obama worship, but the first story after that was Hillary in this beautiful gown, only they just proceeded to make fun of the dress. In all fairness, I don’t know what they might have said after that. I turned it off and I’m never turning it back on.

  124. I like that picture. Hillary is so cool; hot & brainy.

  125. Thanks for schooling the Obots, firelight. This is the particular zombie meme that gets my blood boiling every time.

  126. Even with videotaped evidence of caucus fraud, obots ALWAYS regurgitate the same copied and pasted stoooopid b.s. arguments. YES Obama’s campaign CHEATED even if you don’t count what happened with Michigan at ALL. No cheating in all those caucus states and NO Bambi “selection”

    That’s a FACT, and it’s the main reason PUMA got it’s legs..that and the hate speech in the media, and well…YOU and your ridiculous Obama camp “fight the truth” talking points.

  127. I just love that woman so much!!! Nice dress! Thanks for visiting Dissenting Justice!

  128. I find it telling that after Bill won twice, there was no reform in the primary process.

    She did not concede gracefully, she had to get over herself and concede later. Hillary isn’t as bad as I thought she was during the election but she sure isn’t as good as you think she is now.

    She’s a mere mortal with talents and some very big character flaws.

  129. Your point is stue? You have assumed we think she is more than “mortal” And every human has some “big character flaws” As a first woman potus might have been she’s about as good as it could get for the next fifty years or so from what I see others doing with their life’s work so far. I find it interesting when people assume that because someone is admired that they are worshiped. Not necessarily so….and why would you assume Hillary was “as bad as you thought she was” anyway.

    There was a lot of media b.s. surrounding her that hadn’t a thing to do with her real life’s work. As politicians go? I’ll take Hillary over anyone else who happened on the political stage in recent history.

    Thanks.

  130. Thank you for posting the beautiful photo of Hillary.
    I printed it out and i intend to keep it as an inspiration We are not old, used up, hags, we do not need to be stick thin to look beautiful, and we will not be invisible.

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