Amy Siskind of The New Agenda has an invitation for you:
we’ve been “Chewing the Fat with Ophelia” for three weeks now, and we’re prepared to declare the show a success! Have you been listening in?
Chewing the Fat with Ophelia
Last week, we talked about the misogyny we’d seen during the election, and about the change that we see as necessary if the Feminist movement is to survive. Violet gave a quick tutorial on the Three Feminist Waves and we had some good laughs.
This week we’ve been talking with members and readers on the blog about what The New Agenda will be pursuing during our next phase.
We’ll talk some more about that tomorrow night (Monday), on Chewing the Fat with Ophelia – the show, and we’ll also talk about women’s issues that come to the forefront as a result of the recession.
Please join us on Monday, November 11th, from 10-11 p.m. EST to talk about the issues that need our attention.
If you’re a new member (membership is up 25% since the election), you might be tuning in for the first time. Don’t be shy! We’d be delighted to hear from you.
Hmmmm, membership is up by 25%, eh?? I can’t imagine why…
Tune in tonight at 10PM EST to Chewing the Fat with Ophelia on Blogtalkradio.
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The Confluence 
First!
Second!
Gesundheit!
Farrakhan looks like a buffoon.
slightly OT, but during the campaign I created a playlist for my ipod called HRC (it has both HRC-directed songs and Obama songs, like Britney Spears “Oops I Did It Again”, meaning his constant reversals on everything he just promised. If I was more skilled at creating videos, I’d do a compilation with that as the background song).
Anyway, the very first song I added was Pink’s ‘Stupid Girls’:
I don’t know anything about Pink, I just like the song because it captures the essence of the Third Wave to me. Whether that’s an accurate sense or not, take heart my PUMApals. That will never be us. Outcasts and girls with ambition, that’s what we want to see.
afrocity — what do you mean “looks like” he is a buffoon.
damn # 7 but i bet it is better than # 2
Sins of Omission (15 mins remaining)
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nqr/2008/11/11/Sins-of-Omission
ok I am looking for another bottle of wine
I got another Obama for america schill for a victory t-shirt…WTF didnt these guys collect enough money already!
I was at a bakery tonight and saw young women they were talking politics and were slamming Hillary. We have failed young women or something has gone seriously wrong.
Ironically I’m pretty certain Pink was an early Obama supporter. She’s of the right age.
Pink was an Obama supporter even in the primaries.
my DSL is acting weird — if I “disappear” it is because I’m having to restart my computer.
Pink did a pretty good anti-Bush song
Bush is one person. He had help. Just like Obama will have help to carry out his bs.
yeah, why do I keep getting emails asking me to buy an Obama t-shirt? didn’t he already win? and spend an obscene amount of $$? wth???
sorry
Bush is one person. but before he was president, I used to think the president really couldn’t do that much damage because of the constraints of checks and balances. but Bush did away with those in an unprecedented way – both with the signing statements and executive orders. now Obama has indicated that he would also like to bypass congress and issue lots of executive orders. I wonder if this is constitutional.
what are you sorry about fuzzy?
fuzzy, sorry about what?
Palin on Greta
Afrocity….you are right!
drifting off
wine puts me to sleep!
Kiki — re: executive orders. Yeah, I saw that too, including the part about getting things done before Congress was in session. Not OK when Bush does it; not OK when Obama does it either.
Constitutional? Hey, he’s Prez! I think his Yes on FISA tells us all we need to know about what he thinks a President’s powers are.
Scary.
Then stop yer drinking fuzzy!
Afrocity. I’ll never understand why anyone of the Democratic Party could badmouth Hillary. She fought so damned hard for so many years against the right-wing, for traditional Democratic values, international womens rights, the working and middle class, universal health care, and now slapped by this ignorant foul Obot onslaught that came out of nowhere. Minority Americans have known no greater friend in high office than the Clintons – just ask Charlie Rangle. I don’t understand this disconnect that rabidly disrespects who should be a revered Party Elder. Dr. King taught about supporting ability and character over race and what did they end up doing? Dean’s legacy.
Geeze we know more about Sarah Palin than Obama.
Sarah they are afraid of you because you are not status quo. These ivy league bottom feeders hate people like Sarah and would not dare want them to have power because that would threaten them.
Obama is a Whole Foods nation elitist.
Thomas — it is because these Hillary haters are not real Dems. They’re former Republicans pretending to be Dems — see: Markos, Arianan, et al. Hell, I remember when Markos declared, with all seriousness, during the primary that “Hillary wasn’t a real Dem!”
The young kids who are listening to them are too stupid to know the difference.
Soooo glad I’ve kept my current email free of most Obama $$$ demands. Hey, you need money, Barak? Shouldn’t have bought those expensive styrofoam Greek columns and rented those pricey digs in Denver.
Anyone else noticed how Obama devotee groups’ emails never have an “unsubscribe” feature? Unlike every other email I get from (reputable) organizations.
loong day!
PUMA — of course they don’t have unsubscribe feature — they are reputable & “beating you into submission” is their main weapon.
I’ve really grown fond of Greta. without this election season, I may never have known of her. is that sort of a silver lining?
afrocity, on November 10th, 2008 at 9:49 pm Said:
Something has gone wrong. Most women I meet seem to have a much more negative view of other women than, I believe, is deserved. It seems a lot of women started to believe that women were more cruel, manipulative, selfish, etc. than men. That self-perception and perception of other women has been really destructive. I actually think men can be just as cruel, manipulative, cold, etc. in interpersonal relations as women, but they don’t get held accountable for it as much. Sometimes I wonder if some of this is part of a backlash against the overly idealistic feminism of the 70s.
Meanwhile I was signed up with McCain and he said thank you for your support and left me the hell alone.
“Whole Foods nation elitist” You said it!
At a restaurant the other night the waiter was describing the salads and when he said “arugula” I burst out laughing; couldn’t help myself.
Afrocity: That’s because McCain has way more class than Obama even thinks he does.
kiki — I agree with you — discovering Greta is the silver lining of this election.
afrocity said a while back that BO with Columbia & Harvard was “more status quo then Sarah Palin will ever be” and that is still 100% true.
I hate to think that about women. I have always felt a strong feeling of sisterhood towards other women.
my friends and I have always laughed about how whenever we hear of a divorcing couple, we automatically take the woman’s side, like “what did that asshole do?”
I have seen women act in ways this political season that have surprised and dismayed me. actually, Sarah Palin was just discussing one of those things.
Remember the story RD posted when McCain saw Harriet Christian at the PA airport? He had his driver turn around & jumped out the car (the SS had to run to keep up with him) to shake their hands & thank them for all their support.
BO would never do something like that.
And that is how I KNOW that voter fraud is what put PA in BO’s column. No way No how did he “win” it.
Women are their own worst enemy — not all, but obviously at least 60% of them will sell their sisters out for a pat on the ass from a man.
Firelight,
I grew up during the 70’s the feminist movement had a huge impact on me, more so than the whole black power movement which was over by the time I was born. My mother was a welfare recipient and I remember thinking that she was not living up to her full potential as a woman. I thought homemakers were pathetic, women who had more than two kids were pathetic.
the feminist movement never let me know that it is okay to be a homemaker or a working mom. That it is okay to be pro-life. This is the disconnect. We need to embrace all women lesbian, straight, pro-choice, pro-life, Jewish , Christian, etc.
Bummer that whole foods and arugula are getting such a bad rap because of Teh Precious. It’s not like he actually gives a shit about real farmers or sustainable agriculture. One luncheon by Alice Waters does not make a food policy—it just reeks of more classism.
Hey did you guys see this. Obama wants Patty Solis. So that’s what she’s getting for helping derail Hillary’s campaign.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/11/10/report-obama-team-wants-solis-doyle-for-white-house-post/?xid=rss-page
anyone else ever notice barry’s initials were “bs” before he changed to his stage name of “bo”?
I think the media still secretly worship (male) Ivy League types and treat them better. But the whole philosophy behind Western European education was originally to be able to think things through for yourself, and make evidence-based judgments. The irony of it all.
And tho I said “class” in a previous comment, I think “quality” is really what I meant.
kiki,
but we live in a society in which unfortunately there is no solidarity between women. They are usually too busy bringing each other down, than helping each other.
Women don’t succeed because they don’t want to.
Right now we have Palin getting trashed by the media, and where or where are those pro-women group.
That’s also why we should have women’s Universities. To strengthen women. To teach them about the struggle women all over the world have had to endure. I went to a woman’s college, one of the last of its kind, it closed not too long ago, and I wouldn’t trade that for anything.
Sophie — agree about the arugula etc. I actually had to look up how to spell it, and discovered it’s what I always used to call and grow as “rocket.”
There needs to be some kind of protest of the media for the way they are treating Palin.
That would be a way to get attention.
Maybe if all the people who are pissed with what the media is doing stopped buying certain products. I think I am going to work on this.
We should have the female hall of shame.
Afrocity, you’ve hit the nail on the head – pro-choice ought to encompass many choices, not just one. feminism has defined itself, or allowed itself to be defined, by such narrow parameters. in what sense is that empowering for women?
ana- I have sent several railing e-mails to NOW and people I knew in NOW (from when I used to be a member) who got on the Unity Pony for their attacks on Palin during the election. I told them that Palin’s generation (the Title IX recipients) were free to do with their freedoms as they wished–that’s what choice was about. I said that while I didn’t agree with Palin on the issues, I like HOW she lived her life and was proud of the legacy WE left her and what she had made of it. I told them to stop using the lying media’s talking points and I gave them Madelein Albright’s “blessing.”
Some women value men’s friendship more than women’s — due to the power difference? Short-sighted.
Wasn’t it Sarah Palin who used that phrase about a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women. And she called Gerraro and thanked her. I sure do admire Gov Palin!
Argh — Geraldine Ferrarro, not Gerraro — thinking too fast my fingers didn’t keep up.
I too railed against NOW, but I have since left them alone. They are dead to me, and we really need to start over regarding women’s groups, because the ones out there aren’t cutting it.
I don’t agree with Palin on the abortion issue either, but I find it funny that women’s groups are going after her for that, when the founders of many women’s group were pro-life not pro-choice.
Ana — I no longer watch any of the major networks, nor MSNBC or CNN & now I ‘m only watching Greta on FOX. I wrote to each of them back during the primary & told them I wouldn’t watch them anymore (I even wrote to GE which owns NBC & told them I wasn’t buying their products anymore), but I got the same response that I got from Dean when I sent him my torn up Dem. registration card after 5/31 — crickets.
I’m watching Sarah Palin right now – I may disagree with her on certain issues, maybe many issues, but she is a very cool person and, in my opinion, a feminist as I originally understood the definition of a feminist.
PUMA in Seattle: I like it sauteed with garlic, olive oil and tossed with cannelini beans over pasta. I only ate it three times during the entire election season, however. Today, I reclaim it. I’m Italian and he’s not. It’s my fricken’ vegetable, damnit!
angienc,
that’s why we need to organize, do something of a bigger proportion. I am going to work on this with my best friend. She would love to do something like this. I will get back to you guys with what we decide to do.
Angienc. The young kids, right. They came in late and have no context, no clue of who took the heat and fought last 8 years of Bush,12 years of Gingrich and the non-stop corruption. Older kids who should know better blurt out slogans in the office and think something great is going to happen out of thin air, like “change” and “spread the wealth”. Ability, experience, and character, and rulz are for losers. The Messiah has led us to the vat of kool-aid. We’ll end up picking up the pieces.
kiki, i don’t have fox, so I can’t see it. But what is Greta asking her, and how is she coming across.
See, this is the reason why the media is trying to destroy her now. She is the face now of the Republican Party and a threat to Obama. If she got the nomination from her party in a couple of years, and puts someone like Jindhal on her ticket (two governors with 6 years each of experience or so) Obama is history.
Thomas4Clinton – you are so right.
PUMA-SF — Palin did use that quote of Madeline Albright’s & Albright released a statement that Palin was “mis-using” the quote. So, looks like there is a special place in hell for Madeline too.
drill baby drill. I am all for it.
But Obama come from a violent corrupt city where they say:
Kill baby Kill.
I have less than zero respect for Obama. Even his being black does NOTHING for me.
angie – LOL!
Obviously Madeline was only talking about Democratic women.
That’s what’s wrong with these groups and these women, they only mean women that agree with them. I’ve heard the Republicans say this for a while now, I just didn’t think it was true.
that makes me sad about women. I’ve been lucky to have very close relationships with women-supporting women. some of us appreciate and love men as well but sisterhood is major!
If you aren’t watching the Palin interview, you should catch the repeat later tonight. The second half will be tomorrow night.
Yeah angie, and other so-called feminists were all over her for “misquoting and twisting it to her own selfish purposes.” It couldn’t have been a simple mistake, it had to be eeevvvvillll. Cuz those wimmins are manipulative, jus like scary Hillary and RFk. Pathetic.
Greta has asked her about a lot of the crap that was thrown at her – the clothes, Africa, relationship with staff members. Basically, “are you as stupid as the media says you are” types of questions.
Ana — that has been the most shocking thing this election has revealed — that what I used to think was Republican “lies” or “distortions” (ie Republican women saying the Dem women only mean women who agree with them) are TRUE!!!
Sarah is so real. Michelle Obama has a stick up her ass. I know so much more about Sarah than the Obamas. God I wish McCain had won. I bet the DOW would be back up.
good night all been lurking but love each and every one of you!
Creator Father Mother God/des bless all of you and see you tommorrow
I’m back!
Wuzzup?
Bye my fuzzy wuzzy!!!
night fuzzy!
I wish McCain had won too — but why should we have an honest, worthy man as President?
myiq — thank god! I’m dying here without you.
Angie,
They wanted President Token instead
wow, Sarah Palin is kind of amazing me. Ana, I’m not good at live blogging. I’m thinking this will be posted at Greta’s website?
I am so stunned by the hatred that was and continues to be directed toward Palin, including by many people I know personally who I thought were open-minded.
am I crazy? I’m admiring the shit out of her! this is so weird
afrocity — believe me, I know all I ever wanted to know about the Obamas — and I don’t like anything I’ve seen.
kiki — you’re not crazy — the rest of them are.
Sarah, is like fresh air.
afrocity — I think after 8 years of Bush, they’ve gotten so used to incompetence they didn’t want to risk McCain actually wanting & doing the job he was elected to do.
kiki, I am also impressed by Sarah.
I really like Sarah as well. She talked about the importance of finding ‘common ground’ on issues. Very reasonable, hopeful.
Angie:
Dying without me? I’ll make you think you died and went to Heaven.
promises, promises!
We’re all a little crazy around here.
I think Sarah is great, I just wish she was a liberal
I just got a “now that it’s over, let’s put this behind us, too bad your candidate lost but teehee, ain’t it great that Bush is gone” e-mail from an Obot I’m still friends with. I wrote this in response, then deleted it since she’s beyond persuasion – for now. But I had to show it to someone, so here goes –
******
Everyone’s been so giddy about Bush and the neo-cons get their comeuppance that they didn’t pay attention to the really scary Daley hack they were electing. It’ll be interesting to sit back and watch who Dear Leader pays the $700m back to first. I’m betting on Soros and the hedge fund boyz – no taxes evah. Next, complete the job started by Reagan and abolish the FCC entirely (that pesky Fourth Estate and the Fairness Doctrine is so last century – we wouldn’t want any budding Woodward-and-Bernsteins trying to follow the $$ now, would we?). Then, completely emasculate Federal campaign financing reform (oops – sorry, Axelrove’s done that already).
Two years from now, when the war – or wars – are still waging and we have higher taxes. higher unemployment, higher national debt, higher energy dependence, higher outsourcing of jobs overseas, elimination of tax benefits for pensions and 401(k)’s (already being discussed), higher bankruptcy rates, inaction regarding the uninsured, immigration and the minimum wage, and slashed funding for scientific research, college loans, headstart, social security, medicare and medicaid, there will be a backlash. Till then, we have 2 years of one-party rule and cronyism beyond the neo-cons’ wildest dreams, with zero oversight and zero checks and balances – again.
Hubby hopes I’m proved wrong. I doubt it. But we have a resilient country.
This election has brought out my inner guerilla. And my latent feminism. My “candidate” was – and is – FDR and what the Dem party used to represent. Hillary and Bill were the closest the Dems came to that tradition in recent times. Both were labeled racists and thrown under the bus. I will never forgive or forget Donna Brazile, Axelrove and the Clinton-hating media for that. McCain couldn’t send them packing in 2008. But someone – an anti-corruption Dem, a centrist GOP-er or a 3rd party with grass-roots support – will. Maybe in 2010. Maybe in 2012. Maybe later. But it will happen.
Anticipation
myiq — Sarah turned out to be a lot more liberal then these alleged liberals if you ask me — she signed laws allowing same-sex partner benefits in AL — more then I can say for BO with his touring SC with Donnie McLurkin & tacit approval to vote FOR Prop. 8 in CA.
Sorry about the “R” word. Hope this gets through.
Just got a “now that it’s over, let’s put this behind us, too bad your candidate lost but teehee, ain’t it great that Bush is gone” e-mail from an Obot I’m still friends with. I wrote this in response, then deleted it since she’s beyond persuasion – for now. But I had to show it to someone, so here goes –
******
Everyone’s been so giddy about Bush and the neo-cons get their comeuppance that they didn’t pay attention to the really scary Daley hack they were electing. It’ll be interesting to sit back and watch who Dear Leader pays the $700m back to first. I’m betting on Soros and the hedge fund boyz – no taxes evah. Next, complete the job started by Reagan and abolish the FCC entirely (that pesky Fourth Estate and the Fairness Doctrine is so last century – we wouldn’t want any budding Woodward-and-Bernsteins trying to follow the $$ now, would we?). Then, completely emasculate Federal campaign financing reform (oops – sorry, Axelrove’s done that already).
Two years from now, when the war – or wars – are still waging and we have higher taxes. higher unemployment, higher national debt, higher energy dependence, higher outsourcing of jobs overseas, elimination of tax benefits for pensions and 401(k)’s (already being discussed), higher bankruptcy rates, inaction regarding the uninsured, immigration and the minimum wage, and slashed funding for scientific research, college loans, headstart, social security, medicare and medicaid, there will be a backlash. Till then, we have 2 years of one-party rule and cronyism beyond the neo-cons’ wildest dreams, with zero oversight and zero checks and balances – again.
Hubby hopes I’m proved wrong. I doubt it. But we have a resilient country.
This election has brought out my inner guerilla. And my latent feminism. My “candidate” was – and is – FDR and what the Dem party used to represent. Hillary and Bill were the closest the Dems came to that tradition in recent times. Both were labeled r@cists and thrown under the bus. I will never forgive or forget Donna Brazile, Axelrove and the Clinton-hating media for that. McCain couldn’t send them packing in 2008. But someone – an anti-corruption Dem, a centrist GOP-er or a 3rd party with grass-roots support – will. Maybe in 2010. Maybe in 2012. Maybe later. But it will happen.
There are a lot of women who do not like to see other women in power, or are a lot meaner to other women than to men. But that is also largely how we have been socialized. The most patriarchal systems throughout history have always pitted women against each other, usually in competition for male attention (doled out carefully in the form of crumbs from the banquet table). Think about how jacked up men get when they see women fighting.
It’s happening this year too — the divide and conquer of the Obama campaign — hey girls, join us and be mean b*tches to all those other women and we’ll let you stand in the room while we rule the world!
There are of course people of both sexes who are just rotten, not because of socialization or anything, but a great deal of female to female hostility is because it is encouraged. Because after all, as we’ve been saying,if all the women in the country really, really joined forces, men would have to suck it up and at least share, if not give up, power.
Ok, end of Feminist Lecture! lol
ok, here’s something I haven’t discussed here before. I’m a quaker – quakers are very accepting of all points of view. we don’t really have dogmas and certainly not commandments, we do believe in the equality of all people and in non-violence.
I’ve been shocked at my fellow quakers being bots because certainly Obama is NOT anti-war (he was briefly anti one particular war) and he is not anti death penalty. I can see choosing him as a lesser of evils but I’m talking about BOTS – major supporters . I felt like it was horribly innappropriate. it’s been a big problem for me.
there is one woman in my quaker meeting who has understood where I’m coming from all along. she has a lot more seniority than I do and has on many occasions urged the meeting to be cognizant of the fact that we have different opinions and all should be respected. I’ve appreciated that.
but then last week she sent me an email saying she knows this has all been difficult for me but at least we can all be happy that the “anti-feminist” didn’t win.
oy…………….
myiq,
Does Captain Spaulding have sharp teeth?
kinda limits a woman’s options sexually 😉
myiq — anticipation — you sure know what I like. 😉
Oops – a quick addenda to my previous comment, when I was growing up there were virtually NO adult female friendships on tv, but tons of male ones. Mary Tyler Moore and Rhoda were groundbreakers.
And yet in RL I find it’s usually the opposite — men have ‘buddies’ but women tend to have lots of friends they are very close to.
kiki — Obama didn’t win? hooray!!!
betuscha, you go. you too Valhalla.
betushca — I would have sent it. But, save a copy — she’ll come to the realization soon enough & you can show her the draft to prove she should have listened to you in the first place.
afrocity:
Does Captain Spaulding have sharp teeth?
kinda limits a woman’s options sexually
Depends on the women! 😉
afrocity:
The teeth are sharp but they sit between soft lips and a gentle tongue.
I woulda guessed Capn Spaulding has dentures
Angie,
Better that than “gums” !!!
oops, that wasn’t a comment about myiq at all, I jjusr think the capn isn’t really into hygiene?????
god, I wasn’t trying to start a fight
hey, what girl doesn’t like a little nibbling now & then!!!
myiq,
LOL … I might have to borrow you from Angie sometime.
I will introduce you to the wonders of chocolate 😀
kiki — I have a feeling there is nothing you could say that could insult the Captain.
Kiki, you are funny
you folks are awesome, I enjoy dropping in and see what yall are talking about . I saw that Sarah is going to be in the news some more. She will be at a Rep governors conference in Maimi later this week
” Palin will hold a press conference Thursday at the convention and then will appear on a panel titled “Looking Toward the Future.” The panel’s conservative luminaries (and Palin is the only woman on the panel, and as far as I can tell, the only female speaker at the event) will include retired U.S. Army Gen. Tommy Franks, Rep. Mike Pence, R- Indiana, New York Times columnist William Kristol, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford.
While on the road, she’ll continue to do television interviews. Palin spokesman Bill McAllister said the governor has turned down requests this week for television interviews with Oprah Winfrey, Barbara Walters and George Stephanopoulos of ABC, and PBS’ Charlie Rose. She’s also turned down requests to appear on Leno and Letterman. But she does plan to do interviews with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer and Larry King”
looks like she gets to pick who she gives interviews to now. I hope she also speaks at the IO&GCC meeting in Santa Fe on the 19th
Believe me, I’m more then enough woman for myiq to handle.
Kiki,
That’s awful. Does your friend know about how Hillary and women in general were treated for the past year? It’s so frustrating to see people knuckle under.
Today I got really angry (and had to hide it) because the prof. I work for made jokes in class today about both Sarah P. and Hillary. When she said Sarah Palin’s name the whole class laughed before she even made her point. I never bring up politics when I’m teaching. I think its inappropriate.
sophie, I’ll try your recipe — it sounds great.
whew! I am relieved. I guess all of us started some shit yesterday. I know I was in a bad mood and a little drunk to boot.
kiki — you didn’t start anything — trust me, forget it. It isn’t worth a second thought.
When the subject comes up I flat out tell people that Sarah is pro-contraception. Usual response is “She is?” since they’ve been stuffed full of ‘bot lies.
Valhalla,
It really bugs me that comedy shows always seem to have one women character and several men. Like Seinfeld. One reason I like “I Love Lucy” is the friendship between Lucy and Ethel. I guess there’s a rule now that you need three men for every woman on a show.
I can’t believe Oprah. That’s some chutzpah to even ask.
hi BB – yeah, she sees it all when it comes to Hillary, but not Sarah. she was a Hillary supporter, and furious about her treatment.
Sarah, not so much. does that make sense?
Kiki,
You did nothing wrong yesterday. Don’t give it another thought.
Kiki,
Most of the women I know are the same way–no sympathy for any Republican. I’ll never take that attitude again.
” I guess there’s a rule now that you need three men for every woman on a show.”
I’ve been noticing that for the last few years. Even on the few shows that ostensibly have a female lead, like say Cold Case, there’ll be one woman and like 14 guys.
brb
I was raised a feminist, I think, but my mom was totally pro-life and my older sister is actually a republican and very pro-life (aacckk – they’re catholic! whatever….)
I got my feminist viewpoints from my mom and older sister – I went a different way regarding choice but got my basics from them.
if we, as women, are going to narrow our requirements, then we’re going to fail. what else is new?
thanks BB, and thanks Angie. I feel slightly better 🙂
What i did not like was that they portrayed Palin as an idiot when she had so many accomplishments.
Does any show or movie these days pass the Bechdel Test?
A move passes the Bechdel Test if it satisfies the following requirements:
1. It has to have at least two women in it,
2. Who talk to each other,
3. About something besides a man.
Well, I guess on SVU they have the cop talk to the lawyer about the case once in a while. But even there, everyone thinks arisha hargitay is the star, yet she doesn’t get top billing and the guy gets most of the meaty material. And it IS SVU, so the subject matter is not necessarily nonexploitative, AND on L&O it usually turns out to be some grand scheme masterminded by a woman.
afrocity, only men have accomplishments. silly girl
Women have to be twice as smart, work twice as hard, accomplish twice as much to be even considered equal to men.
Ugsome,
Volver
Julia
afrocity — when Obots told me how “dumb” Sarah was I always said: “Yep, to be able to get elected Governor of a state without going to the ‘right” schools and without the ‘right’ political connections shows how ‘dumb’ she must be.” That usually shut them up.
kiki — my mom was pro-choice — she never had an abortion, but she chose to have us — that is what she taught us — I was shocked this year to find out that for a lot of women on the left (where I always thought I was) choosing to have children is NOT a valid choice in their opinion.
ugsome: The L Word, Miss Marple
Vera Drake
The Magdalene Sisters
Barry O does not care about pro-choice or pro-life either. He would have slaughtered a maternity ward just to get into office.
90% of Obama supporters I have met did not give a damn about his political issues. You should read my post from yesterday about them confrontation I had in Neiman’s with his campaign person. That bitch couldn’t care less about issues. She told me it was my job to make Obama successful.
nite….very sweetest dreams, y’all……………
To the younger women about feminism: the real reason we need the right to abortions is that men have always refused to manage their own sperm. I was in medical school when Gloria Steinum was in the Playboy mansion in a bunny suit. Sarah Palin is a feminist because she refuses to allow anyone to define her role regarding family and work. Gloria and Oprah are by choice, barren women who criticize Sarah for accepting pregnancies even if the baby has a chromosomal defect. Sarah said abortions should be made unnecessary, not illegal. There would be no unwanted babies if society cared for them. Barry comes from Kenya, a country with one of the highest rates of female genital mutilation….no one has looked into the state of his step-mothers bodies (father was a polygamist) or grandmother or aunt.
This was a great discussion! There are so many great thoughts and experiences shared here. Good reading even a day later. I’m glad to hang out here with *real* feminists.