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Where Zombie Memes Come From


It was clear in November of 2006 that 2008 was the year that the Democrats could nominate an empty suit and beat any Republican.  As a matter of fact, that’s exactly what happened.

So what is the zombie meme that our in-the-tank media is trying to foist upon us?  What false narrative will we hear again and again as long as Sarah Palin is in politics?  This lie:

“It’s all Sarah Palin’s fault that John McCain lost!”

Forget about eight years of GOP mismanagement, crony capitalism and lawbreaking.  Forget about the war in Iraq, the economy, and global warming.  Forget all about the media’s enthusiastic support for Obama and the huge funding mismatch.  This is why John McCain really lost:

  Fox News reports that Palin didn’t know Africa was a continent and did not know the member nations of the North American Free Trade Agreement — the United States, Mexico and Canada — when she was picked for vice president.

  The New York Times reports that McCain aides were outraged when Palin staffers scheduled her to speak with French President Nicholas Sarkozy, a conversation that turned out to be a radio station prank.

  Newsweek reports that Palin spent far more than the previously reported $150,000 on clothes for herself and her family.

  Several publications say she irked the McCain campaign by asking to make her own concession speech on election night.

That’s not all.  From TGW:

Now we hear that the wanton Sarah Palin shocked and offended the puritanical sensibilities of McCain aides by appearing before them wearing nothing but a towel!:

At the GOP convention in St. Paul, Palin was completely unfazed by the boys’ club fraternity she had just joined. One night, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter went to her hotel room to brief her. After a minute, Palin sailed into the room wearing nothing but a towel, with another on her wet hair. She told them to chat with her laconic husband, Todd. “I’ll be just a minute,” she said.

OMG! Gasp. Horrors. We guess this means Sarah Palin really is a slut. But we knew that already because the brazen hussy wears red. Conservatives really do need to come out of the freaking 16th century. Or the sexists on the right could get together with the sexists on the left and harass and smear every single woman who dares to compete for a man’s job. Oh, wait.

Some conservatives appear to be very fearful that Sarah Palin will indeed emerge as a presidential candidate in 2012, and so they are doing their best to destroy the woman before they have to compete with the bitch for a man’s job.

Why else would professional political staffers spread these stories?  This comment is unintentionally revealing:

There is one comment in particular from a McCain aide that guaranteed to heighten friction between the two camps. The angry aide described the Palin family shopping spree to Newsweek as “Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast.”

Who else got called hillbillies?  Bill and Hillary!  Why?  Because they weren’t Washington DC insiders so they were treated with contempt by the Village idiots.

Now of course the media tries to be fair and balanced.  Buried on page three of the story ABC printed Sarah’s response:

Questions followed Palin home to Alaska. She was asked about some of the accusations from anonymous sources when she landed there late Wednesday.

Asked about the Fox report that she did not know the NAFTA members or that Africa was a continent, Palin said, “If they’re an unnamed source, that says it all. I won’t comment on anyone’s gossip based on anonymous sources. That’s kind of a small of a bitter type of person who anonymously would charge that I didn’t know an answer to a question. So, until I know who’s talking about it, I won’t have a comment on a false allegation.”

Damn I wish Sarah was a liberal!  I’d vote for her even though she has boobies and scary lady parts.

BTW – If you want to know who the “anonymous sources” are then see below:


 Well?  Where did you think zombie memes came from?

120 Responses

  1. Great post, myiq.

  2. This whole election cycle has been like palying the gossip game whenever there was someone with lady parts.

  3. Great post. I watched Greta last night and she is visibly angry about these smears against Sarah Palin.

  4. The best part is the description of Todd Palin as her “laconic husband” That right there says it all: just another harpy who castrates men. Cross your legs, boys!

  5. She had former MA gov Jane Swift and Elaine Lafferty on last night to talk about the trashing of Gov Palin.


  6. Im sick of this bashing, and as a teacher, let’s not forget her parents were teachers or her dad was and her mom worked in the school system, I would fire all of Sarah’s teachers if the damned Africa story were true, besides, I dont buy any of it period. She spoke about NAFTA during the campaign. I believe what Sarah said about seeing thru the Katie Couric question about what she read? as being like, “you must think Alaska is part of the third world” was a put down question. Sarah has been an avid reader all of her life, even her family has noted that when you couldnt find her, she would be found reading. i guess that’s quite different than writing a book about yourself when you are only 31 years old like Obama did. Jees,
    the media has disgusted me totally.

    And now for the other big O. Oprah, said, and i quote,
    “i will not use my show for a political agenda” liar
    all week long has been a political agenda and she will never let up. I was reading on fox that the hotel rooms in dc will be very expensive for this inaugaration, and that someone had already bought
    300 rooms, my guess, the big O.

  7. britgirls — I love Greta (one good thing about this election was finding her on FOX). I did a msm boycott this week & plan to continue it, but I’m going to have to make an exception for Greta.

  8. oh and the 300 rooms came to a million dollars, but they are worried about sarah palin’s clothes, aint life grand.

  9. Angie, Greta’s all I have left as far as TV news. So many sources have had to be eliminated this year.

    Have you had any Obot friends start to express doubts about our dear leader yet? It’s pretty funny. They’re raising their concerns now … puhleeze, tell someone who cares.

    I was more upset over Kerry’s loss, and what a doofus he is. Really, it’s like you made your bed, lie in it.

  10. the link above says that even Oprah is foaming at the mouth to talk with Sarah. Why? Oprah refused to have her on her show when it would have mattered. Oprah needs to f*** off.

  11. and i still have never heard anyone

    say anything about obamas 57 state gaffe…utterly insulting….they should have had that one going 24/7 but he was too wonderful a man……

  12. and i still have never heard anyone

    say anything about obamas 57 state gaffe…utterly insulting….they should have had that one going 24/7 but he was too wonderful a man……

    Does anyone know if that one even made SNL?

  13. damn straight, great post myiq. Got to work now so I will bbl.

  14. Palin will be back, and she will have reinforcements 😉

  15. Cackicoo –

    Obama did mispeak, but it’s no big deal. Thinking ahead to when he was President perhaps, and would be in charge of 57 states + territories …

    There are 50 US states, and six US territories.
    Puerto Rico
    U.S. Virgin Islands
    American Samoa
    Northern Mariana Islands
    Minor Outlying Islands (Wake Island and Johnston Island)

    And one US-administered region, Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

  16. I loathe the disgusting media, the Big O (oprah) and the Little O (obambi), the Village Idiots, the… God that’s a long list. Is it 2011 yet? (Hmmm. Isn’t that the year we make Contact?)

  17. I’m really in a pickle here. I dislike Sarah Palin, thought she was in way over her head (that’s different from thining she’s stupid; I don’t), would never vote for her because of her positions. The bashing that comes after a failed campaign is always ugly–if she wants to play in this league, she’d better be ready for it. I can’t think of a politician who lost this kind of high-stakes game and didn’t face it.

    But I am rip-roaring mad over sexist treatment of her, too. She’s taking a particularly nasty version of post-loss bashing and sexism just bleeds through it all. She didn’t put a gun to John McCain’s head and say, “Choose me for your running mate or I blow your brains out.” McCain chose her, and now that he couldn’t seal the deal, his people need a scapegoat with legs and a heartbeat, not just “this wasn’t our year.” What they should do is look in their own mirrors, the senator included.

    What a pickle. I’m welcome in neither side. Anybody got any spare change for a political junkie down on her luck? 🙂

  18. I saw Greta last night and I am so happy that at least one media type is saying the right things.

    Bill O’Reilly is “offering” Sarah 30 minutes next week to defend herself against all of these attacks. I doubt she will take him up on it but I would love it if she did.

    I am furious with Mac for not coming to her defense, what is up with that? She invigorated the base and drew big crowds. I think it is when it was clear that she was more popular than he was that the trouble between them began. He is not the man of honor he pretended to be if he lets this continue.

    As far as the towel…it was first reported that it was a terry robe but of course a towel made it sound much more scandalous and trashy.

  19. Well Gidget I think Sarah is wonderful. She is a force of nature and the media and power elite are afraid of her. Many, many people love her – her rallies were amazing. This need to “Britney” her tells me a lot about the system. We really are ruled by one party now – and it ain’t the Dems. I really think the R elite united with the D elite to usher in the O. There is only one party now.

  20. I’m not watching. I think the left can’t just be happy with the win, they have to tear down the loser.

    I don’t remember Kerry getting slammed after his loss. I think there was some crap around Gore’s loss, but I don’t think it centered on Lieberman not being a good VP pick – even though he actually was.

  21. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Obama campaign is behind all this ‘anonymous’ trash talking.

  22. Another thing to consider, McCain may be defending Gov. Palin, but he doesn’t get much traction with the MSM. We’d never know if he was defending her.

    I’m sure there are a ton of Republicans defending her, they just aren’t chosen as “sources” or called for interviews because they don’t fit the media narrative.

  23. Jean: yes, there are repubs that will be looking to gain favor in an obie administration too.

  24. Rush is defending Palin.

  25. McCain needs a rest. Leave him alone. He just lost his last chance at being president to a fraud and a man with known terrorists associates. McCain should have been the GOP nominee in 2000 instead of Bush. I am sure McCain feels robbed. No one talks about Cindy and what the NYT said about her.

  26. The problem with Sarah Palin being over head is, so is Obambi.

    Politics is a nasty business and you have to be thick skinned, but the buy given to Obama is truly unbelievable. It is probably ridiculous to ask that the media play fair.

    How many attorneys and journalists were sent to Alaska to dig up dirt on her? They came back virtually empty handed. All we know about Obama is that he was born, went to school, wrote a couple of books, got married and had two kids. If you ask for grades, friends, accomplishments, you are a f@#king racist.

    If you speak the Washington language (HRC) then you are a bitch. If you speak the language of the people (SP), you are an idiot. If you read well from a teleprompter and have that extra dangly part, you are the President.

  27. The problem with Sarah Palin being over head is, so is Obambi.

    Politics is a nasty business and you have to be thick skinned, but the buy given to Obama is truly unbelievable. It is probably ridiculous to ask that the media play fair.

    How many attorneys and journalists were sent to Alaska to dig up dirt on her? They came back virtually empty handed. All we know about Obama is that he was born, went to school, wrote a couple of books, got married and had two kids. If you ask for grades, friends, accomplishments, you are a f@#king r@cist.

    If you speak the Washington language (HRC) then you are a bitch. If you speak the language of the people (SP), you are an idiot. If you read well from a teleprompter and have that extra dangly part, you are the President.

  28. This may seem Ot, but really not. My local library occasionally gives away older books, and the other day I picked up “Significant Sisters The Grassroots of Active Feminism 1839-1939” by Margaret Forster c1984 (a British author) and I’m reading the intro, she says that feminism is not one movement, but many, always inspired by a singular leader — a heroine.
    I think Hillary and Sarah have emerged as heroines of a new movement.

  29. Someone told me the towel story was BS. The story my friend heard was that her daughter kept forgetting the key card. He daughter had left the room and had been gone maybe a minute. Sarah was getting ready and there was a knock at the door, thinking it was her daughter, she opened it without asking who was there and she was in her bathrobe and apologized.

  30. Yes Hillary and Sarah are heroes of this next cycle of feminism. It sure has opened my eyes.

  31. These boys have become so emboldened by their successful public misogyny of the past two years that they will not stop until every strong female political figure is destroyed. All done of course to ensure that this country will never have a female president. This is just disgusting.

  32. I think I hate the bathrobe story more than any of them. What a hateful bunch of gossips. It is not like she said their and entertained them in her robe. She excused herself to finish dressing. I am sure her bathrobe provided more “coverage” than her clothing does.

  33. Thank you, Real Kim. The part that everyone neatly glosses over is the part where Sarah’s experience is equal to or great than that of the President elect.

  34. I need coffee…said their=sat there.

  35. I guarantee that these same stories will keep popping up, 2-4-6-8-10 years down the road..

    Even if Sarah gets out of politics and disappears from public view up in caribou country, the media CW will be that selecting her was what cost mcCain the election.

    How do I know? Because she has a vajayjay, and it’s always the woman’s fault.

    It’s been like that since Adam blamed Eve

  36. Absolutely right, FLVoter. The only women who will survive politically are the Nancy Pelosis who were so happy to be included in the boys club that they sold their collective souls for the chance. The boys need a few women in the club. Someone has to clean the urinals.

  37. I thought this was interesting about Palin..

    The “Rogue-Ness”

    On this video, from the .20 second mark to the 33 mark regarding the early campaign:


    “Did you ever hear that rumor about me going Rogue? It was me trying to sneak some phonecalls to some of you guys. That was the Rogueness.”

  38. I’m a 40-year old virgin

  39. nobo:

    “Bathrobe” has morphed into “bath towel”

    Even if it was a towel, they were at a fancy hotel so it would have been a thick one that covered her from under her arms to mid-thigh, concealing her lady lumps and icky-parts like a cocktail dress.

    Not to mention the Toddster was also present.

  40. gidget commando – what you wrote is pretty much how I feel about Sarah Palin. I think it is time to get over Sarah Palin as a political hope – she is a Republican, fairly hard line, and I for one am not interested in assisting her in any way into political office. I would be happy to assist her out of office. Same goes for McCain. I do not share their Republican agenda. The vile mysoginist crap that has been directed at her, and at Hillary, is another matter. That behavior, and the attitude it exposes toward women is contemptible, and should be resisted on every front, at every opportunity. That dos not mean, however, that I would support Sarah Palin as a politician. To support her political stance just because she is a woman is equivalent, IMO, to supporting BO just because of his skin color. Just suppose it was Elizabeth Dole running for President. Would people here want to support her because she is a woman? If the answer is yes, then – sorry – but I’m on the opposite side of the political fence.

    Several people on this site have commented on action for a way forward. Maybe everyone needs to time to adjust and sort out the pain. Eventually, it’s going to be more productive to think about a way forward. I am assuming, maybe incorrectly, that because this was – hopefully still is – a Hillary supporter website, that we would (a) want to see Hillary run in 2012 if possible (but I can’t – yet – see how) or (b) a like minded woman run for POTUS in 2012.

    If it’s plan (b), how do we avoid that person being a died in the wool Republican? To me that matters.

  41. Wow words of wisdom from Texas. The land of raving rednecks who spawned the stupid President Bush.

    The bad news is America will still see your state as a bunch of illiterate trash who builds bonfires 200 feet tall and watches it topple on students.

    Go back to Brokeback Mountain Buddha.

  42. Apparently no one remembers that when Bush was a year or two into his first term he referred to Africa as a country. I was shocked but it was not a big story at the time.

    Or maybe, just maybe, it was because we all know that a penis can get in the while trying to learn geography.

    Don’t forget gals – we have always been told by men that women just can’t read a map.

  43. I took a walk over to NoQuarter to “Read” what they were saying today about Obama’s win.

    What did I find?

    Hillary bashing!

    I am so F@#$%@# sick of these people that, in one breath praise her and with the other, trash her when things do not go their way!

    This is what I wrote in response to a post left on their thread:

    Comment by RedDragon62 | 2008-11-07 10:21:46

    I stubbed my toe this morning getting out of bed…It was Hillary’s fault!
    My coffee spilled when I lifted the cup off the counter…It was Hillary’s fault!

    Can’t find a job…Hillary’s fault!
    Many of you Hillary bashers do not have a life…Hillary’s fault!
    Your wife left you? Hillary’s fault!
    The dog bit you? Hillary’s fault!
    Kids are dope addicts? Hillary’s fault!
    You’re a freaking loser? Hillary’s fault!

    Get a damn life already! Leave the woman ALONE!

    You would have done the SAME DAMN THING if you were in her position! Get off you’re damn high moral horse and point the finger where it belongs……Point it at ourselves for allowing the media and the sippy kup kidz to run rough shod over all we hold dear!

    We have the power to change the media. We have the power to force this “American Idol” culture out of american politics.
    This was a creation of all that we consume as a people.

    We buy those rags that glorify celebrity bullshit! We eat up all that the media feed us and yet we place the blame on a woman who fought her ass off—Against some POWERFUL enemies!

    Shame on all of you that feel the need to place this loss on Hillary! What did YOU DO to make a difference besides type on a key board and bitch and moan?

    Hasn’t this woman been through enough already?

    Hillary will always be “My Girl!”

    Shame on all of these “Turncoat” Mofo’s! This is why a woman will never win in this country! We are too quick to place the blame on HER shoulders, when the blame belongs with those that deemed it necessary to destroy her!

    F@#$ them all!

  44. Amen RedDragon62

  45. That may well be our current challenge – that of redefinition. What is the way forward? What are our ultimate goals? We may not agree on evrything, but I believe in the principle of co-belligerents. We can work together on a cause without absolute sharing of all ideals.

  46. What happened to my Democratic Party? You know the one that used to believe in equality? The one that did not support sexism, misogyny, and/or discrimination of any group? I hold the Obamacrats directly responsible for the promotion of discrimination of LGBTs and the outright misogyny that has been so rampant. I suppose the only Hope Obama brought was the hope of destroying women and LGBTs and the Change he brought was to the Democratic Party Platform and Ideals.

  47. UTC:

    It’s all but certain that 2012 will be BO vs. a Republican, with the Republican having a decent to excellent chance of winning.

    I’d like that Republican to be Sarah, rather than Mitt or Rudy..

    if somehow it was Hillary vs. Sarah, I would vote for Hillary, but I would still treat Sarah with respect.

  48. What happened to my Democratic Party?
    Bought by big money, just like the GOP.

  49. Red Dragon:


  50. FLVoter: I am inclined to think it wasn’t true, just a narrative to pick up the women’s vote. They still got it, even this year. They don’t have to do a thing, just sometimes “say” they are for women’s rights even while they DO quite the opposite.

  51. myiq,

    I would like to see Palin or Jindal. I also like Jane Swift.

  52. if somehow it was Hillary vs. Sarah, I would vote for Hillary, but I would still treat Sarah with respect.

    From your lips to God’s ears Myiq2xu!

  53. myiq: I’m with you. If they put Sarah on the ticket – particularly on top, I will vote R against obama easily. I don’t think I could vote for another Reagan or Bush against obama, but I suppose if obama is as bad as I fear… I might just to get rid of him.

  54. myiq, that’s a good point. I still would like, however, for people here to explore other options. I do not feel ready yet to give into Sarah Palin, or any other Republican, as an inevitability. If it’s support Sarah Palin over BO then I’m afraid I would lose all interest and all heart. Political struggle is just that – struggle and (I can’t believe I’m using this word in this context ) – audacity.

  55. People misspeak all of the time. Just like Obama’s 57 states and the dozens of misspeaks and out right lies by Biden. McCain must defend his Vice President candidate and if he does not, I will lose all respect for him and he should name names. If you want loyalty, you must also give it and the only exception to that rule is something illegal. Sarah Palin’s fate is in the hand of the Republicans and if she survives she will be a powerhouse within the party. Just remember, just has one very serious problem. She has no penis!

  56. what reddragon said.

  57. Don’t worry, the years will pass, the memories will fade, and soon they won’t be able to blame Clinton, Bush, or Palin anymore. They’ll just go right back to their default scapegoat: the Jews. Bad economy, turbulent Middle East, cold war redux, civil unrest, global warming… just wait for it.

  58. Jessie, i agree with you, McCain should come out
    and make a bold statement in Sarah Palin’s defense, but you know what, i never have and never will underestimate the intelligence of Sarah Palin, she aint no dumby and she will be vindicated. Dont you still find it strange, that election day itself, she was totally vindicated of all trooper gate charges, Amazing isnt it? And i will tell you something else, because i dont doubt after this election just how powerful and big the machine is behind Obama…i believe this timing of this economic meltdown was caused on purpose by the big machine behind obama, right when the polls had turned to McCain.

  59. I have always been a democrat and probably always will be, but this time around, I didn’t push the button for Straight dem ticket. I voted McPalin and anywhere else I saw a woman’s name, I am tired of it.

  60. UTC:

    Think of it this way then –

    November 2012 is gonna be a choice between a Democrat and a Republican.

    What’s wrong with wanting the best possible choice in each party?

    Imagine 2012 being a choice between good and better instead of bad and worse.

    And no, I’m not drunk

  61. jjmtacoma,

    You are correct.. The Dems have not truly been for women’s rights in a very long time. What has the Democratic Party done for women in the last 5 years or even the last 20 years? Why is it that Geraldine Ferraro has been the only Female VP candidate for the Dems? We still do not have the ERA, women still get paid less than men and we are always reminded that women’s reproductive rights are in jeopardy. Why should they be if the Dems are fighting for us? I am just tired of listening to the same lies over and over again, year after year with no change in sight. I know that as far as the Dems are concerned I am not buying their load of BS any more.

  62. Battlecat, I sincerely hope you are wrong, Yet I’m scared you could be right. If BO is the narcissist that many people think he is then, when his shine inevitably fades, he will need someone to blame, because, in his eyes, it could not possibly be him (he is perfect in his eyes). So there will be scapegoats. And they will not be his present supporters.

  63. It’s pretty amusing to see the left bloggers, like even the supposedly “objective” and “independent” Kevin Drum trash Palin over these anonymously sourced stories.

    Of course, these are the same people who were outraged — and rightly so — that people were led to believe that the Clinton WH had removed the W keys and trashed portions of the WH before Bush came in, and that the media acted as though Gore had claimed he had invented the Internet.

    Now, it all must be true about Sarah Palin, because, I guess, we all know she’s just a right wing C*nt, and what else would you expect?

    Every day I lose more respect for these bloggers. And here I had thought that that was impossible.

  64. John McCain did speak out many times against what was happening to Sarah. In his concession speech he said blame me.

    I think Megan and Cindy are having a lard time and he said that. Leave them alone. Palin can take care of herself.
    I don’t need a man defending me against anything. Just like I don’t need someone white telling me how black people behave.

  65. When have both major parties NOT been owned by the fat cats? Gore Vidal said years ago that there was really only one political party in this country, the “Property Party”, which comes in two wings, the Dems and the GOP. I see no reason to disagree with him. 😦

  66. myiq2xu, on November 7th, 2008 at 10:50 am Said:


    Think of it this way then –

    November 2012 is gonna be a choice between a Democrat and a Republican.

    That ‘s the assumption i would like us to question. Fanciful? Unlikely? Audacious? Yes.

    I think time and circumstance is urging us to think completely out of the box.

  67. I once thought that the DP was at least the sane wing of the PP, while the GOP was the crazy wing, but after seeing the madness that overtook the DP this year, I can no longer draw that distinction.

  68. “Anonymous campaign staffers” is a euphemism for “I’m making this shit up as I type because I hate the thought of a strong woman in a position of power because I have Norman Bates issues. Now excuse me while I beat my wife for the cold cup of coffee she brought me.”

  69. I know how this country can change……

    What if ALL the women in this Country withheld the coochie for a year? I do not mean to be rude or sound crass…My wife suggested it last night. It works with me…..LMAO!

  70. Ivory Bill Woodpecker, on November 7th, 2008 at 10:52 am Said:

    When have both major parties NOT been owned by the fat cats? Gore Vidal said years ago that there was really only one political party in this country, the “Property Party”, which comes in two wings, the Dems and the GOP. I see no reason to disagree with him.
    Ivory Bill, in some other Western countries the Democratic Party is referred to as “The other Republican Party”.

  71. It’s endemic…see Paul Krugman’s blog today. Here’s what I wrote to my favorite blogger re: his admission that he had made a silly and petty remark regarding Sarah Palin (actually, it’s good snark, but it still qualifies as sexist in my view):

    “Yes, it is petty and silly. So when are you and your buddies in the corporate media going to stop doing it? We all know the answer to that rhetorical question: Not anytime soon, since misogyny always pays well and is never acknowledged, much less opposed, by those who find it comfortable to talk the talk but duck and weave when it’s time to walk the walk.”

    After this election, NOBODY gets a pass from me. I am at whatever stage is beyone pissed.

  72. UTC:

    Show me an acceptable third party candidate with a snowflake’s chance of winning, I’m in!

  73. RedDragon – I love it! The Coochie or No-Coochie? Party (aka It’s Your Choice Party).

  74. Maybe if BO actually does turn into a super liberal president doing all the right things — if he rises to the challenge, — I could vote for him in 2012. LOL. Yeah, like that’s going to happen.
    I hope the GOP picks a good candidate. I can vote for an honest, house-cleaning, fiscally-conservative Republican. If it’s a woman, I will actively support and campaign for her.
    30% solution!

  75. IQ – I know. sounds bloody impossible, no? But then BO shouldn’t have got up either.

  76. Word, RedDragon62!

    UTC – I’m with you up to a certain point. I DEFINITELY want our first female President to be Hillary, or someone as liberal as she is. However, I would feel obligated to vote for any woman who was capable of breaking that glass ceiling. That’s why I guess I’m a “radical” feminist…

  77. I have to tell you, four years is a long time, but at this point I would vote for Palin now, and maybe in four years, see nothing standing in the way.

  78. Hey….Ask any man and if he is the least bit honest, he will tell you what I suspect many of you already know. This works everyday in everyday American…hell…it has worked for our entire human existence.

    Just trying to make some light humor out of a sad world…

  79. Mr Mike–one of these days he won’t beat his wife any more because she’ll have poisoned one of those cups of coffee. 😉

  80. RedDragon62,

    You mean you want us to take the “Lysistrata” approach? Old concept but was an entertaining play.


  81. We’ll never go forwad unless we decide to eliminate mysogyny first regardless of party affiliation and political philosophy. Why?

    Because the first weapon used against women one does not agree with is mysogyny-by both men and women. We allow ourselves to be divided by the male powers that be and their female sycophants who don’t realize how much they are losing.

    We will keep circling back to this point again and again and again and we’ll never get out.

    No – I will go for the 30% solution even if it includes a republican, if after I review their record of deeds I can live with it. I’m not voting based on party lines any more. I want them to show me with deeds that they have accomplished something before I vote and it will be for a person, not a party.

  82. My state remained red, kind of thought it would. Unfortunately the ability of G&L’s to adopt or fosterparent was voted down. I hope Sarah stays in politics; I don’t agree with her on everything, but I like her anyway.

  83. Reddraggon,

    LOL. I thought about women doing a 40 days, 40 nights thing.

  84. In other news, the Democrats appear ready to give Holy Joe the boot.

    If they do they better hope they don’t need him again after the 2010 mid-term election.

    And I would like to point out that he kept his promise to caucus with the Democrats, which is what gave them the Senate majority the last 2 years.

  85. Afrocity said:

    I don’t need a man defending me against anything.

    I second that one. One thing I have always told my children is to consider the source and you don’t have to defend a lie.

    McCain doesn’t need to defend Sarah and why should she dignify these remarks with a statement. Both she and Hillary know who they are, and seem to be quite confident of their abilities. Don’t send a man to take care of her, she can take care of herself.

  86. RD62 probably knows this already, but Aristophanes beat him to the idea–look up “Lysistrata” for details. 🙂

  87. I see FL Voter got there first. 😛

  88. madamab, thanks for that. I respect your views very much, and I can see how you feel about this. I would support you 100%. I just am wishing and hoping for a better alternative than a died in the wool Republican. I feel that myiq is right (I know he is) but I cannot help thinking that the impossible might be audaciously possible if enough of us believed (damn, I cannot believe how New Age that sounded).

  89. Oh, if only the Obama-worshiping females were clued-in enough to practice the Lysistrata option! But they think wearing “Sarah Palin is a c*nt” t-shirts is the height of fashion.

  90. new thread up!

  91. UTC – well, ya never know. Voting doesn’t seem to have done us any good. Maybe New Age solutions would be more effective!


  92. Maybe if BO actually does turn into a super liberal president doing all the right things — if he rises to the challenge, — I could vote for him in 2012. LOL. Yeah, like that’s going to happen.
    This reminds me of a discussion I would often have with various people who knew of my dislike of Obama.

    They’d ask, Well, if he in fact turned out to be a really good, liberal President, you’d support him, right?

    To which my answer was: Yes, and if John McCain turned out to be a good, liberal President, I’d support him wholeheartedly too. I think they are equally likely.

  93. I have no problem voting for a Republican woman. I did it this time. I do agree that the only change we will have is when women unite and vote for the female politicians. There is a greater good that needs to be addressed that transcends political ideologies.

  94. I think it is time to introduce the idea that someone who is “offended by the idea of a woman in a towel or a woman in a bathrobe” probably won’t be content until women are in burkhas. They want our lady parts covered.

  95. I think I’ve learned that not all Republicans are bad (and many Dems are). Republicans are also divided into the money elite and the grassroot populists, just like the Dems (remember Anglachel’s post about it a while ago?)
    Palin is a populist, an outsider like the Clintons were. That makes her more than acceptable to me.
    I am thinking of registering GOP in 2012 to vote in their primary — we’ll see.

  96. Oh for crying out loud, why can’t the Republicans face facts. Bush is the reason McCain lost. To claim Sarah Palin is the reason is just ridiculous, it is their #1 Nimrod in charge that cost them the election.

  97. jjmtacoma, on November 7th, 2008 at 10:43 am:

    “If they put Sarah on the ticket – particularly on top, I will vote R against obama easily.”

    We have no way of knowing what the hell will be by 2012.

    One of the things I keep hearing here in this NWIndiana area where I am, is the reference back to the 60’s when Gary Indiana got the first (?) black mayor in America and the quality of life in the city went immediately straight to hell. I actually remember seeing that too, vaguely, as a curious child. That Democratic town never improved, and, thank-you Mr. Reagan and Mr. Bush, closed-down steel mills completely destroyed it.

    When I got to NYC in the 80’s, during Mayor Dinkins’ time, there were homeless people camping out in the East Village park 2 blocks from my apartment, and, to get to work in the AM, I often had to step over a few people asleep at my building’s front door. Of, course that was due to Reagan’s policies, but not until the Republican mayoral candidate, Giulianni, became mayor were those problems addressed and the city was cleaned-up overall.

    At this horrible time of crisis, I really do hope that the first AA president has the economic and diplomatic cleverness, the focus and the unforeseen skill to actually guide this COUNTRY through and back to prosperity and order. For al of us I really hope, and wish that I had the faith.

    But I might possibly be looking at a Palin Republican POTUS ticket in 2012 with weariness but reawakened, new great hope and a LOT more faith.

  98. Speaking of 2010, who are the Nevada PUMAs. Reid is up for re election. I want a strategy to remove him and Pelosi.

  99. You better hope and pray this country is still standing come 2010. i truly believe Obama has an agenda alright, and it aint gonna be pretty

  100. It’s been like that since Adam blamed Eve


    Ain’t it the truth! I heard Brit Hume mention some of those rightwing generated urban myth/lies that were floated about Hillary years ago when he introduced this piece of trash story on Palin. He uttered them as if they were true.
    Fox’s semi-fair treatment of Hillary clearly lasted only until she was no longer their last hope of defeating the scary black man.

    Since we’ve been joined by another Jean, I’ve become JeanLouise.

  101. Yeah…I know WoodPecker! lol

    My wife reminded me of it last night. I have always been one to acknowledge TRUE POWER where I find it…

    I “Know” who holds the keys to Nirvana in my home…LOL

  102. Nicetameetcha Miss Jean Louise

  103. MrMike, on November 7th, 2008 at 10:55 am Said:.“Anonymous campaign staffers” is a euphemism for “I’m making this shit up as I type because I hate the thought of a strong woman in a position of power because I have Norman Bates issues.

    So true. Name names. Tell me who said these things. Enough with this anonymous BS

  104. RD62:

    Your wife controls the remote?

  105. Yuppers. And I am NOT ashamed to admit it! LOL

  106. “Bush is the reason McCain lost.”

    RealKim, you are right. He was an abject failure.

    “the first (?) black mayor in America and the quality of life in the city went immediately straight to hell.”

    Philadelphia (Street), New Orleans (Nagin), Detroit (Kilpatrick), etc. This is what happens when people vote based on skin color.

  107. red dragon62 at 10:34am — I took the liberty of copying and pasting your comment over at my place (with attribution of course) because it is very helpful to remind people not to fall immediately into “blame the woman” mode.


  108. Hiya, again, miyq!

    I’ve been thinking about this for several days. I don’t know if it’s politically good or bad but I think that we have to establish a federation. If we have a series of groups each working toward a particular goal, we can come to together when our issues overlap but we won’t feel as though we’re wasting out time when or battling the against the tide when they don’t.

    There are several reasons that I’ve come to that conclusion. One was the response of gary and mawm to this election. They’re fierce foes of misogyny and I share their allegiance to the glbt rights but issues like Prop 8 just aren’t the stab in the gut to me that I sense they are to gays and lesbians. I would prefer to direct my energies toward misogyny in the media but I would be happy to support gary and mawm publicly when they face issues like Prop 8.

    Another reason is urgetocompute’s comment on Palin. I support her totally as a woman and would vote for her as part of the 30% solution but I would prefer to have strong women Democratic, Independent or Green candidates. I went to Palin’s website yesterday and was rather horrified to see a quote that says that a woman can be a “feminist and feminine” featured on the first page. I heartily believe that but it’s not as inclusive as I am in my feminist ideals. I include feminist men, and any woman who sees herself as a feminist in those ideals.

    Perhaps, as a series of smaller groups, committing ourselves to discrete goals, we can maintain an umbrella organization that is capable of coming together to support one another on particular issues while not forcing people to expend time, energy and money on goals which they don’t share.

    Does this sound like a concept we can work with or something that would dilute our PUMA power?

  109. Campbell Brown of CNN had a very good commentary on the Palin-bashing the other day:

    Tonight the scape-goating of Sarah Palin. Whatever you may have thought about John McCain’s running mate… about whether she was qualified, prepared or experienced enough for the job… try if you can to put all of that aside for just a moment. Because Sarah Palin is who she is. She did not become measurably more intelligent or measurably less intelligent during this campaign. Remember, she was only part of the campaign for a matter of nine weeks. Sarah Palin is who she is.

    Which is why I find it so stunning that the very people who introduced us to Sarah Palin… who told us she would make a great Vice President… have now turned on her with a vengeance. They are the top advisors to John McCain’s failed campaign and they are desperate right now to find someone to blame for their long long list of mistakes. They have been launching grenades at Palin and her supporters… some of their allegations we at CNN have found to be patently false. You will hear people say “this is what always happens with a losing campaign”… and hopefully, this is the last time we will be talking about these people. But what they have done just in the last few days to save their own skins is worth a final comment.

    To those top McCain advisors who leaked the little story about seeing Sarah Palin in a towel. To those who called her and her family “Wasilla Hillbillies” while using her to stoke class warfare with redmeat speeches and an anti-elitist message. To those who claim she didn’t know Africa was a continent. To those McCain aides who say she is the reason they lost this election… can I please remind you of one thing: you picked her.

    You are the ones who supposedly vetted her, and then told the American people she was qualified for the job. You are the ones who after meeting her a couple of times, told us she was ready to be just one heartbeat away from the Presidency. If even half of what you say NOW is true, then boy, did you try to sell the American people a bill of goods. If Sarah Palin is the reason some voters chose Barack Obama, that is no one’s fault but your own. John McCain, as he so graciously said himself the other night, lost this election. He lost it with your help, your advice, your guidance, and yes, your running mate recommendations. And that is crystal clear to everyone, no matter how hard you try to blame Sarah Palin or anyone else.

  110. No problem Murphy

  111. Darth Cheney coming out to “endorse” at the last minute was the kiss of death. They’d finally almost escaped the Bush-Cheney legacy then that happened.

  112. That Campbell Brown commentary is a farce. What she’s really saying is, yes all those horrible gossip about Palin is true, and it was a mistake for McCain to pick her. Where was she before the elections?

  113. I watched Greta’s show last night too. Perhaps we should recruit more lawyers into becoming journalists based on how expertly Greta drilled through the Palin rumors in a ‘cross examination’ of a guest on her show who giddily recounted all the Palin gossip.

    Greta challenged the guest on the Palin shopping rumor by asking a simple question: have you ever seen Palin shopping for clothes or seen a picture of her shopping?

    Her point was so right on: if it were true, there would be evidence of it. The press corp would have swarmed around her snapping pictures all the way into the dressing room.

  114. I don’t read or watch anything from Campbell’s Poop.


    Fuck Campbell Brown, now that the election is over she wants to come out and defend Palin.

    Campbell Brown is in the 2008 election hall of shame

    My personal list of Inductees for this Year

    Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)
    Chris Matthews
    Keith Olberman
    Donna Brazille
    Katie Couric
    Tina Fey
    Sandra Bernheart
    Gloria Steinem
    John Lewis
    Anderson Cooper
    Oprah Winfrey
    P Diddy

    any others?

  115. Bush, Rove, Fox news and the republicans had to reflect on seeing themselves in the mirror of reflection. “Could we really have been this bad?” they finally wonder. Yes. Unattractive and off-putting as it is: the up close and personal look at the Obama-supporting Universe forces those who would never have realised their ineffectiveness, weakness and failure to be good Americans. If Obama’s election brought one good thing, it was the chance to restore balance where there has been only extremse. Recognize progress where you might find it. Each “run at the mountain” will bring more awareness of the reality of sexism and misogyny as it impacts our prospects for success. It may take yet another generation, or the next female’s serious candidacy can start with the “Women’s” Caucus being willing to consort with forces to spin every remark, gesture, policy into a sexist offense. This game taught us something.

  116. yes, it’s gone from bathrobe to bath towel and next it will be terry-cloth thong.
    I hate this one the most. It is so clearly NOT TRUE and it so clearly speaks to the real reason they hate her — simply because she’s a woman. And so they make sure she’s naked in this made-up story so that the men who hear it can be titillated at the same time that they’re laughing at her — because of course if a beautiful woman appears before male staffers in a bathrobe/bath towel then she must be asking for it, right? And the men who supposedly saw her dressed this way are not at fault for anything they might do or think, right?
    If i weren’t already a lesbian, this campaign would have turned me into one.

  117. Ane another thing: I don’t believe for one minute that those clothes were taken up to Alaska. They were left with the RNC, just as she said they would be.
    I also want to know how this story morphed. The day it broke the newswaves, the story was that Sarah stayed in the hotel room while RNC staffers went out shopping for her. Now, suddenly, the story has Sarah’s whole family blowing through Nieman Marcus like locusts.
    LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES!!!!!! I don’t believe a single word of any of them.
    These are coming from Obamabots. Here’s a hint: calling Sarah’s family “hillbillies” — doesn’t that sound familiar? Isn’t that the same voice as the trolls who’ve crashed this list?

  118. Mmmokay, I don’t see how it’s going to be Hillary vs. Palin in 2012 unless Obama gets martyr-fied. Does anyone here REALLY think that Obama and his cronies LET Hillary challenge him for the Democratic nomination? I don’t think so.

    As much as I’d LIKE to see it happen, I don’t think it is. 😦 And if it came down to Obama vs. Palin, I’d still choose Palin.

  119. And I dunno why these people are complaining about Palin in a towel or bathrobe anyway. Yes, I’m a pig, but I have a huge crush on Sarah and would die happy if she greeted me in a freaking towel. :O

  120. I would have happily voted for any Dem this yr just to get the WH back. What I don’t get with you Pumas calling Obama supporters zombies is your doing the same for HRC. Thank God HRC campaigned her heart out because she knew better than anyone the consequence of Palin being a heart beat away. Any HRC supporter who voted for McPalin to me is a zombie who is so blinded by their hate for Obama they were willing to risk a person so unbelievably unqualified and who showed the same governing style as Bush and Cheney put together. Thank you HRC from the bottom of my heart for puting your country first. After what this country experienced with Bush you Pumas should be ashamed of yourselves for voting for the female version.

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