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Thursday: The problem is still the media

Beware innocent looking paperboys

Beware innocent looking paperboys

We don’t know what they’re up to but they got the candidate THEY wanted, not the candidate WE wanted. They did it in 2000 and 2004 and they only way we will ever have a choice going forward is if we neutralize their toxic messages.   The progressive blogosphere was supposed to be the cure to that but they failed utterly, eventually being subsumed by the media itself.  Had Clinton won the primary, the media would have suffered a devastating blow and I think the political power brokers knew that.  So, I think we can assume that they maintained the current system so that they could use it in the future.

Who do we trust?  First hand accounts are always valuable.  There are also indicators that can’t be spun by the networks.  The Dow, for instance, reacts to economic data, not media commands.  We could also keep an eye on the foreign press, which if not necessarily more reliable will certainly present a different point of view.  InsightAnalytical has a page of foreign press resources.

It would be nice to think that now that the media got what it wanted that it will do its job and report on the presidency of Barack Obama with a more critical eye.  Anyone who is thinking that should pass the bong because I don’t think that’s going to happen.  The people who elevated Obama are going to want something in return and if what Biden reported a few weeks ago is true, it’s a good bet that the rest of us peons are going to hate it with such intensity that we’ll be sharpening the pitchforks and lighting the torches by this time next year.

Keep alert.  Keep skeptical.  Find a buddy, hold hands, look both ways before you cross the street.  We’ll still be here.  We’ve got lots of friends and we’re going to work together to fix the misogyny in the media, broken election systems, the scarcity of women in political office and the millions of broken hearts in the GLBT community who were let down by the same people who put their favorite in the White House.  The country needs to be inclusive of all of its citizens.

The media needs to be reminded of that.

224 Responses

  1. PUMAs could have offset the real extra-voters. But it was the Christian right who stayed home – what price we we paying?
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/who-stayed-home-election-day-what-was-the-price/

  2. SOD: Lynn Forester de Rothschild has invited all to cntinue working with her. Check out her website together4us.

  3. Thanks so much for the hat tip!! I compiled that foreign media list while at Buzzflash, doing the World Media Watch….as for the media in general…well, I should repost some of the “Media Watches” is did for Buzzflash…it was a mess in 2000 and OF COURSE MUCH WORSE NOW!!

    We’re going to have a couple of new features but in the meantime…here’s some stuff..

    Mid-Week Musings: NM Elections; PUMA Integrity; LA Times Crapola on Post-Racial Promise; Class; Movie–”The Rope”

    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/mid-week-musings-nm-elections-puma-integrity-la-times-crapola-on-post-racial-promise-class-movie-the-rope/

    Again, thanks for the mention and allowing us to post here….

  4. SOD
    Would it make sense to start groups by state using Meetup.com?

  5. Good morning riverdaughter,

    I don’t know who we can trust–certainly not the media. There is not even a pretense of objectivity or neutrality in the media anymore. Newspapers like the NY Times and Washington Post are now out in the open with their ruling class bias and are every bit as sensational as the cable networks and tabloid newspapers are.

    We must accept that we no longer live in a Constitutional Republic. We don’t need storm troopers in the street to see that. Until we once again have Habeas Corpus rights we are not free. Our voices are not being listened to by those in the power structure. I understand that these people see me as a throw-away person. At this point, I’m not sure how to deal with it. I’m so grateful that I’m not alone with this knowledge and understanding.

    We will find a way to fight for our rights as Americans if we stick together and continue to stay awake and aware of what is really happening around us.

  6. catarina,

    I think we definitely should start real-world groups. There are lots of us here in the Boston area. I think we should find a way to meet each other and get together on some kind of regular basis.

  7. The first problem with the media is disclosure. We all know who was blogging in Blogosphere 1.0, but why were so many blogs singing the same tune? Were they being paid to write those opinions? Did they sign non-disclosure agreements?

    The first disinfectant we need is sunlight.

  8. Chris Matthews just told Joe Scarborough that he wanted to help Obama have a successful presidency. He did get some mild flak for saying it, but you can bet that is what will happen. Remember how little criticism Bush got in the beginning? The popular spin is that the media was really tough on him before 9-11, but they weren’t. Just compare the treatment of him with the hammering they gave Bill Clinton from the beginning of his presidency. When their boy wins, they support him all the way.

    I think one thing we should all do is keep the spotlight on sexism in the media and politics in general. Right now McCain campaign staffers are trying to trash Palin to take the blame off themselves. I was glad to hear the people on Morning Joe hit them hard on this. For example, they pointed out that it was the staffers who set up the fake Sarkozy call, and handed the phone to Palin. Joe said they should have all been fired immediately. The boys club is circling the wagons and throwing the girl to the wolves, even though she is one of the best people they have to bring their party forward. It’s disgusting.

    I urge everyone to keep the pressure on the media. I wish someone would organize a boycott of Matthews’ sponsors, now that the election is over. Just because his most egregious behavior happened in the primaries, that does not minimize the bigotry he spewed against Hillary. We should also push them to cover substance, not fluff.

  9. Yup. We need action. The last thing we want them thinking is that *wink nudge* appeals to sexists and homophobes works.

    I’m especially angry after reading that CA exit polling shows that AA showed up in records numbers and the majority of them (70%) voted for the gay marriage ban!

    Way to stand for your advancement while oppressing others.

  10. Holy cow, RD! You are three steps ahead of me once again. I was just reading through the conservative websites, and they are not whining and licking their wounds, they are organizing and mobilizing to put a stop to the Palin smearing and push forward their agenda.

    That has to be the approach PUMAs take. Enough complaining. We were young and inexperienced, and we failed to keep Obama from being elected. Obama was elected in large part because of the constant drumbeat of misogyny in the media. Putting a stop to misogyny in the news, television shows, and movies must become the mission of PUMAs. We must stay focused with laser-like intensity and call out sexism and misogyny whereever and whenever we see it. That is the only way we will ever accomplish our goal of the 30% solution.

  11. boomer,
    I’m in-lets do it.

    I really liked Lynn De Rothschild’s message (posted by Swanspirit on the
    previous thread)

    She talked about addressing sexism AND partisanship.

  12. BB and RD,

    It does seem like we have to feel hopeless, or at least hopelessly baffled, before the time comes for enough people to join us for real change.

    If someone could help me sort through the numbers that I just don’t understand, that would help. Was it the Christian Right that stayed home? How did this happen-especially in PA?

    I don’t get it, because I think the ratios among my family and aquaintences–all (former) Democrats,at least 30-50% opposed to BO–have to be reflected broadly elswwhere.

  13. joanie: I don’t know about all of the Christian Right but my mom, who is one of them, was convinced that her vote wouldn’t matter. The haka was pretty strong. And they are very suggestible people. If you told them that Obama was the antichrist and convinced them that his election was part of fulfilling some destiny, there might have been some subconscious wish to see that destiny. They might have stayed home in hopes of bringing on armageddon.
    No, I am not kidding.

  14. The link to the international press is interesting, but obviously most Americans are limited to just reading English news providers.

    For Germany there is in the list Der Spiegel which is a rather left leaning magazine, so unless you are able to read German you wont get a good grip on the press in that country.

    Does the US have an official media watch body?

  15. joaniebone, I’m getting the sense that it wasn’t the social conservatives who stayed home. They were excited by Palin. It was the political and economic conservatives who stayed home because they were never excited about JM to start with, and then he really pissed them off when he voted for the 700 billion dollar bailout.

  16. edgeoforever, great post. It breaks my heart that CA Obama voters elevated chickens over people. It is no longer the Democratic Party. SOD, nailed it: They are the Sexisthomophicrat Party. (Can we call them sexho for short?)

  17. Nijma,

    The “A-list” blogs like Kos and TPM got talking points directly from the Obama Campaign throughout the primaries and GE. They were rewarded with tons of ads. The O campaign sent out hundreds of memos every day to the big media–large newspapers and TV and to individual “reporters.” They deliberately set out the follow the Rove strategy, and it worked.

    We no longer have real journalism in the U.S. They published Bush WH press releases and accepted whatever Obama gave them. Without a free press, we can’t be anything resembling a democracy.

  18. Sexism and misogyny are rampant in the MSM and the Obamacrat Party. Women have been demonized routinely for the past two years and it will not stop any time soon. Clinton and Palin have been blamed for everything negative that happened to the men folk. I am sickened by these scared little boys with their grade school tactics. To all those women that join in Wake Up. You do not have a pen!s. No matter what you do, you will never be part of the boyz group. The boyz are using you to legitimize their attacks. Stop destroying yourself, your daughters, your mothers, sisters and girlfriends.

    SOD,

    I think you have a good idea. Palin may very well attend, but unfortunately Clinton will probably skip it if it makes Obama and the Obamacrats look bad. From now on women will be feeling their second class status more acutely and Obama and the Obamacrats don’t give a rat’s a$$ about it since they encouraged it.

  19. catarina,

    Thanks. I’ll go read swanspirit’s comment.

  20. Here is my non-mathematical take on what happened on Tuesday.
    I made hundreds of calls for McCain/Palin, to several states.
    Also talked with lots of friends, family, business associates.

    De Rothschild has it nailed.
    Party loyalty was the reason many, many women told me they could not vote for anyone other than Obama.
    It did not matter that they had no idea if Obama would represent their interests.
    They told me they had to “vote for the dem”
    My own mother and sister (FL!!!) stubbornly refused to vote for McCain “because he’s a Republican”

    People who know me and saw my McCain buttons and bumper stickers were horrified.
    Many said “you’re going to vote for a REPUBLICAN??”

  21. The media has been a joke since, almost forever. Time passes but nothing changes. I watched in horror while the media sold Bu$hit eons ago. First hand knowledge – that anyone should have, told me America was going to be screwed by this moral midget abetted by corporate. The media is an incestual mass of parasites. They are all related, definitely “creative” and answer to the same “God” – corporate. There is not one journalist – NOT ONE remaining. They have been put on notice since Fox lead the way. Fox has not changed, they are just milder this year. There is no unbiased honest media now. That’s why blogging is so important.

    Misogyny is just one form of hate. Hate is the driving force in 2008. Those “labels” used so freely and with abandonment this election “season” have always been part of society – it is how people really feel, at least those who practice classism. You can’t stamp out misogyny without elevating all human rights. Just my two cents.

  22. “The last thing we want them thinking is that *wink nudge* appeals to sexists and homophobes works.”

    But it DID work.

    Of all, this is the source of my pain: That this tactic (all the ugly ones) will be seen as winning stategy. In “our own” party.) Sigh. Democrat no more.

  23. I read someplace that Palin has a 59% approval rating one month ago and just before the election it had fallen to 44%.

    Now who, do you suppose, is responsible for that?

  24. my suggestion re the media…just turn the tables: do a Palin and JTP on them….lets start with that stupid CNN cow Campbell….ridicule her, go thru her CV, trash, divorce papers, tax filings, etc….publish her address, where does she worship….not very elegant, but lets see with how much grace they take such unacceptable behaviour!

  25. BernieO, yes, boycotts are a great idea.

  26. They might have stayed home in hopes of bringing on armageddon.
    No, I am not kidding.

    Wow! But I do believe you, RD. That is my ex’s family.

  27. I am in SC and only one hour from Angie. Murphy has a list of all the people in the area with contact emails.

  28. Here some inspiration…Guide to women in leadership

    http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/

  29. I wanted to say the DNC did this as well, but if the media had done their job, they wouldn’t have been able to take over the Democratic Party.

  30. The media is exactly the problem, RD. We are never going to make any progress as long as the media is creating the narrative for every issue. I think we have to take them on first before we can even attempt any other reform. Americans need to see how they are manipulated into accepting the unacceptable. Until they do, equality and fairness are never going to be attained. This whole country needs to have a “Network” moment!

  31. Once again—misogyny is only a tool to use to keep the masses confused. The real deal is about money, and the real tool to use to keep the global mental governing minority powerless is to change the economic structure to one where there is no global self-serving wealthy minority.

  32. There is synchronicity this morning. Just minutes before I read this Tweety on “Morning Joe” palavered and spattered a couple of statements that surely will make the annals of the comedie de absurd.

    When Tweety was asked about the misstep of Rahm Emmanuel in musing in front of cameras about whether or not to become the Chief Energizer Bunny for the Lightbringer, Tweety said, “As journalists, we can’t speculate about motivations because we can never be sure. I never engage in speculation.” Forget about all the times he mused tingling afoot to leg about Hillary’s motivations, but I digress.

    After this amazing lie, he immediately followed up by saying in answer to whether or not he would hold the Lightbringer’s feet to the fire, “My job is to make this Obama administration a success. It should be the job of all journalists to make this administration look good because we are due for a successful Presidency.”

    Case in point — the MSM is invested, the Lightbringer is their huckleberry and they are going to make it their job that we all go toward the light.

  33. I’ve been dogging Bush since 2003 on my blog, I’m not going anywhere. I’ll be dogging Obama until the cows come home. Or if he’s worse than Bush (which he might be) until he puts me in jail for exercising my right to fee speech.

  34. free speech…

    For some reason, Obama scares me more than Bush when it comes to individual liberty…

  35. Considering that 50% of my immediate family members are blindly following the DNC’s lead, I will use their examples since I know them so well personally:

    There is a point, and it won’t be long, when they DO see that he is actually a hate-filled DINO. Yes, they were ignorant and hostile enough to allow themselves to believe that he said and did all for the sake of getting elected. They actually believe he will magically turn into a right and just liberal leader that represents all of their personla cherished causes.

    But they will see, and it won’t be long. They will see media contorting to protect his corruption and ugliness. By mid-term–at the latest.

    We have work to do to scoop them up, along with all the others.

  36. Not to belabor the partisanship issue, but the media helps to perpetuate that too, when it benefits their narrative.

    You all have a lot of guts to turn on the TV and watch these fools-I can’t do it.

  37. Prolix, can you just log on an hour earlier so that I don’t have to leave just has you get here?

    I have only 3minutes left to stay before work 😦

  38. The media – David Brock, after rennouncing the Right, founded Media Matters – which was, for a part of the primaries still a good thing. Later, I supposed whomever injected a lot of cash in it, stirred it to “defend Obama only”
    Just as we have The New Agenda, raising on the ashes of NOW, PP, NARAL et al, we need to start our own brand new media watch organization. It’s been functioning in emergency mode during the election – PUMApac and JNSD – but we need now to make it permanent and organized.

  39. We’ve got lots of friends and we’re going to work together to fix the misogyny in the media, broken election systems, the scarcity of women in political office and the millions of broken hearts in the GLBT community who were let down by the same people who put their favorite in the White House.

    I keep telling everyone that the media is the biggest problem. Regardless of what Obama and his surrogates did/do, if we had a responsible press, he would be exposed and held accountable. Instead, we have this dangerous farce of democracy. I have personally boycotted, but I wonder what can we do that is effective in the face of their billion $ budgets and relative monopoly? I heard Schumer on the radio with Glenn Beck this week, calling right wing radio “pornography” as a reason to revive the Fairness Doctrine. I’m no fan of right wing radio, but are we seeing the beginning of more Barbara West/Joe the Plumber freedom of speech suppression? Pelosi wants to regulate the internet. As Drinking Bob says: “What’s next? What’s next? What’s next?”

  40. I disagree Karolina NYC. Misogyny has been used as a political weapon during this election. But it does more than misdirect the populace’s attention. In addition to keeping the power structure intact, it damages real people, real lives and it is the cause of tremendous violence and suffering.

  41. “My job is to make this Obama administration a success. It should be the job of all journalists to make this administration look good because we are due for a successful Presidency.”

    Holy shit!!!!

  42. edge: I just saw your idea above, and second that enthusiastically.

  43. Joaniebone, I must get here earlier.

  44. I’m all for meetups. I live in CT (a northeast midpoint) and would be willing to host an event here (3 hrs from Toms River, NJ and about that far from Boston). I would also be willing to travel that far in both directions.

    I think it’s time to hit the media hard. We’ve lost the free press completely now and with that goes Democracy. I know it sounds small, but if each one of us posted one comment a day on a media site about some gaffe a newsman made…

  45. msindy
    love your site, just added to my bookmarks

  46. “Pelosi wants to regulate the internet. ”

    How? details? If this is so, then factual word of this must be circulated. It would catch.

  47. Watch for the quick push to make Larry Summers Treasury Sec. – completely overlooking his remarks on whether women were qualified to do science – remarks made when he was President of Harvard.

    It’s not enough to have women in government – we need to have women in leadership. Of course Pelosi signed on to the Hillary-bashing, so that’s a real caution.

    Of course the markets crashed again yesterday – having no faith in vague promises of “change.” Why would Obama change anything? Reliance on pure unadulterated sexism got him the Presidency. Sounds like total status quo to me.

  48. “My job is to make this Obama administration a success. It should be the job of all journalists to make this administration look good because we are due for a successful Presidency.”

    This needs to go viral. Email it and post it everywhere. This man is not just a pathetic clown (no offense myiq), but it is the antithesis of their “job.” Get a f*cking clue Tweety!

  49. joaniebone, on November 6th, 2008 at 8:57 am Said:

    “My job is to make this Obama administration a success. It should be the job of all journalists to make this administration look good because we are due for a successful Presidency.”

    Holy shit!!!!
    ___________________________________________
    wtf
    the job of all journalists is now “to make this administration look good”??
    sharpen pitchforks NOW

  50. i just replied to a letter from gladd ….. i asked them to take me off their mailing list. i told them by supporting a president that openly discriminates gay marriage is crazy. he pandered to the right and the aa community. my next step is cancel my advocate subscribtion. i also told gladd i felt it was their fault as much as the right for supporting bo.

  51. Isn’t it Obama’s responsibility to make a successful presidency?

    Tweety’s words are not surprising, but no less frightening!

  52. fif, I’m very concerned about the censorship issue too. It was stunning to see it in action during this election. Unbelievably scary.

  53. Joanie I have read that a few times, but do not know the details. I think they want to put a tax on online activity in some way. I’ll have to research it.

  54. If the Republican party were to veer further to the right to satisfy the barefoot and pregnant extremists on the right, that would be a big mistake. I heard again and again people who didn’t like Obama but couldn’t vote for McCain because they felt he was a religious extremist. The direction the country is going in (and has been for some time but party officials got away with being lazy up until now) is tolerance for social issues (which have no business being legislated)… A big chunk of voters lost to McCain were social moderates (that’s where the heaviest losses to the Republicans were)…

  55. Fif, I hope it does go viral. Tweety needs to be taken to a Tyson’s chicken farm for a good plucking.

  56. edge: me too! I have got to go now.

    Prolix, I said last night that I will be here occasionally in the PM, but less so. I have to get my personal and professional life back on track. So it’s ams and weekends for me!

    RD and CO will be with my morning coffee. I am going to let the rest of you face the toxic media. I prefer mine pe-digested. This will be it for me.

  57. Nothing has changed.To the media, Barry = Bush
    and they will lick their master’s hand . I have friends who think because Barry is AA, that a change did take place.This is exactly what those behind Obama set out to achieve. The ruse is simple , brutal and effective.

  58. Thank you catarina 🙂

  59. http://www.meetup.com/create/

    PUMAs
    I’ll gladly volunteer to do the admin setup.
    The meetup tool is used to send reminders and directions and can be used by members to RSVP and communicate with each other.

    what is the “topic”?

    This will place the group in a searchable category.

  60. gxm: What’s really scary about it is it’s effectiveness. For months, I have had friends and family–smart, caring people–repeating, verbatim, the same talking points that were circulating in the media.

    “Hillary is a liar.”
    “Obama voted against the war.”
    “Palin is stupid” ha ha ha, isn’t it funny??
    “It’s not the same McCain now, he’s old and crazy.”

    It’s like a horror movie, and I feel helpless to stop it. What’s worse is that they don’t even want new information when you try to give it to him.

  61. gxm17, we are not in disagreement here, only I am looking further in at who is using misogyny to misdirect the attention. They are mean, self-serving, inhuman and ruthless. Damaged real people, real lives and tremendous violence and suffering has been used to keep people weak throughout history. It is the easiest way to maintain power and create lower classes.

  62. The 4th estate is all but dead. The MSM has put democracy in a precarious spot, and they do NOT care. It’s is f*cking treasonous what they have done and what they are doing, and they do it with impunity. Something MUST be done about the press.

    “The media needs to be reminded of that.”

    Yes, but how shall we “remind” them? What are we going to do? cancel subscriptions? Write letters/emails to the editor that end up in the junk bin? Call to register our complaints by leaving a message with the answering service?

  63. fif
    What’s worse is that they don’t even want new information when you try to give it to him.
    _____________________________________________________

    no shit! information-BAD!

  64. […] Riverdaughter writes of it this morning […]

  65. One of the biggest advantages for Obots about Barry is you don’t have to think. So it’s not welcomed when one calls them to do so.

  66. lazy thinkers–all. I hate having to carryy anything willfully lazy and ignorant on my back, but that is what we will be doing. Forging the trail to make all of this obvious–to the laziest of thinkers.

  67. I have friends who think because Barry is AA, that a change did take place.

    paper doll: There was a funny South Park last night that satirized the Obama “movement.” (It also made fun of the McCain camp, but the Obama stuff was much better.) Tons of Bots were in the street, with the “O” rainbow brand everywhere and music playing. It was like a huge frat party, and they were chanting his name and “Yes we can” and “Change, Change, Change,” drinking from kegs. It became more deranged and chaotic, they overturned a cop car, and one of the kids’ fathers was really drunk. He met up with his boss, who was also wearing an Obama shirt, and started swearing at and insulting him. The kid said, “Dad, stop it, what are you doing?!”

    “I’m telling him what I really think of him! Obama is president–EVERYTHING is different now.”

    At the end of the show, he woke up with a smashing hangover, his house was ransacked, and he was fired. He was furious and kicked something saying, “I KNEW I SHOULD HAVE VOTED FOR MCCAIN!”

  68. It’s is f*cking treasonous what they have done and what they are doing, and they do it with impunity. Something MUST be done about the press.

    I agree completely, and also with your frustration about where/how to oppose it’s force. I do know that a majority of Americans are disgusted with the press. If it was structured correctly and word got out, there would be a lot of support. People were turning on the press at McCain rallies–we are FED UP!

  69. msindy-McCain may be a lot of things but religious extremist isn’t one of them. Why would people think that? He barely even attends church. Is it his anti-choice position? Picking Palin? I can see the rap against her but not him. He surely doesn’t mention his faith as much as Obama does and he didn’t propose a faith council and more faith-based spending like Obama did.

  70. This is a great thread. It’s wonderful that there is a newly awakened populist feminist grassroots movement sweeping the country.
    Thanks for the link to Lady Lynn’s site togerther4us.com She’s one of my new heroes. I just signed up there for email announcements etc. (The interface for comments seems strange to me — is it bec. I’m on Firefox?)
    I agree that the Corporate Pravda is the problem. Like with any opposition movement, we need our own news service. Blogs 1.0 are already corrupted by money and access.
    One trap the Blogs 1.0 fell into is that hey did they’re won slanting, and started believing their own slants. Maybe what we need is to be strict about separating news from opinion. Let us always be true and honest in reporting news.

  71. I’m so angry this morning over the attempt to throw Sarah under the bus. Freakin’ Romney supporters I bet.

    Have ya’ll seen the video of Sarah returning home? One lady is holding her daughter and says “This is my daughter, another future strong woman”

    http://community.adn.com/mini_apps/vmix/player.php?ID=2364873&GID=

  72. Who do we trust? First hand accounts are always valuable.

    There is a problem with that, though. When I have told people of the first-hand accounts of caucus fraud and what happened at the convention, those who bothered to reply said, “I have not heard any of that from a reliable source.” It’s frustrating that the people who most need to know the truth refuse to believe the first-hand accounts, just because they are not stamped with an AP seal.

  73. I am all for researching bias media personnel and posting their information online. We have to fight to stop this BS!

  74. anyone interested in brainstorming in person in the Boston area
    please email:

    Bosmeetup@aol.com

  75. fif, on November 6th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    lol!

  76. Where does everyone else get their news online? I want to find sources that are as neutral as possible. I refuse to go to any MSM sites, but I do want to know what’s going on in the world. TV? Forget it. I stopped watching that garbage in March. A bit of FOX, but that’s it.

  77. I’m going to repost this:

    PUMA needs to have a “civil rights” conference focusing on Women and Gays. The Lightbringer has addressed the AA community now we need to find a counter-strategy to the Sexisthomophobacrat Party.

    We need a planning committee…STAT. And Gdamnit…Hillary and Sarah need to be in attendance. This is a non-partisan crisis.

    We have an opportunity to build a coalition between women and the lgbt community and capitalize on the fresh anger before it dissipates. The Lightbringer will throw a bone or two to the majority of women and gays early on to pacify them. We need to get to them first and bring clarity to their views.

    EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Now that Democrats are neither the defender of Women’s rights, Voter Rights, nor GLBT Rights, WHAT THE F_CK is going to be our safe harbor?

    We need to build our own!

  78. wlotus-So sad that people believe the corrupt and discount their fellow citizens. Complete brainwashing is near.

    msindy-I like your blog, too!

  79. Here’s one of Sarah commenting on the media.

    http://community.adn.com/mini_apps/vmix/player.php?ID=2364876&GID=

    I don’t care about the trash talk about her, I just like this lady.

  80. wiotus: Lynette Long collected a lot of documented information on caucus fraud–it’s probably linked at her site. Of course, it doesn’t have the “brand” name, like AP (which is crap now). That’s the problem too–people see the NY Times and still think that is the most reliable source in the world. My father for one. He doesn’t realize it has descended to the level of the Fleet Street tabloids.

  81. RD, thank you for this:

    We’ve got lots of friends and we’re going to work together to fix the misogyny in the media, broken election systems, the scarcity of women in political office and the millions of broken hearts in the GLBT community who were let down by the same people who put their favorite in the White House. The country needs to be inclusive of all of its citizens.

    PUMA was successful because we were able to reunite the Big Tent together. We need to continue in that spirit of equal rights are for ALL, not some.

    The Brand New Shiny Democrats are not all-inclusive defenders of equal rights anymore.

  82. There is just no stopping the Obamacrats from lording it over anyone who didn’t support them, or insisting that their candidate is not as homophobic as the Republican candidates. Well, gee, that’s great. How exactly does one measure the level of homophobia one has?

    All I know is that the gay marriage amendment to the fed const had NO chance of getting anywhere before Obama, but now seems to have a good chance…

  83. I just got back from picking my daughter up at the train station and flipping through the channels EVERY SINGLE MSM SOURCE IS EVISCERATING SARAH PALIN. WTF???

    WTF?! Do they realize she is not IN the race anymore? I know people are saying they have to discredit her because she is a potential Republican leader in the future, but is there ANYONE from the right out there defending this poor woman? It MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL!

  84. last night thousands of angry gay people took the streets in Los Angeles after the county suspended issuing marriage licenses.

    I found myself thinking, “I hope they shut every street and freeway down”….

    separate but equal is wrong.

    equal protection under the law is not a zero sum game.

  85. fif
    “If it was structured correctly and word got out, there would be a lot of support.”

    Well, there could be coordinated protests. Take it to their (MSM) doors. Make their lives miserable. Put their details up on the web and harass them. They need to develop a healthy respect for the average American to whom they so overtly condescend. I like democracy. I want my nation back, and to get it back they press needs some healthy instruction.

    What catarina is proposing is a good start! !!!!! Someone say “pitchforks”? It’s a good idea… Just kidding (sort of)

  86. SOD
    I’m thinking if we are able to organize by area and then hook up with De Rothschild’s together4us group we wouldn’t be re-inventing the wheel.
    Lynn already has the media’s attention.
    WTYT?
    Anyone?

    The Palin bashing is infuriating. They want to keep all focus off Obama!

  87. Well, this is just one small step, but I just wrote Planned Parenthood to make them take me off their their mail and email lists, and was very clear that while I support choice, their involvement in the presidential race nauseated me and they’d get no more money from me. Had they stuck to just advocating on issues instead of joining in the cult I would still have supported them.

    They probably won’t care now, as caught up in the Obama brain fever as they are, but they will care when it sinks in that their money is drying up because they’ve ticked off their key constituencies for support (esp. PPFA and NARAL — you think the chattering class boyz and college kids are going to be free with a buck with the economy tanking? when they never cared about women’s equality in the first place and Obama’s been siphoning money away from them for a year?)

  88. If anyone see/hears of smears against Palin in the media, please email them to The New Agenda. They seem to be responding fairly to slights against ALL women in the media, not just liberals. This has GOT to be addressed.

  89. Prolix,

    Thank you for posting that quote from Chris Mathews. He just put it all right out there, didn’t he?

    “My job is to make this Obama administration a success. It should be the job of all journalists to make this administration look good because we are due for a successful Presidency.”

    Breathtaking!

  90. I guess Palin continues to be Hillarized.
    But just like, Hillary, as Amya Angelou said: “like dust, she’ll rise.”
    Can’t keep a strong woman down!

  91. At the site that I have been getting part of my political news every day since February, yesterday was reported that the London Financial Times gave BO a headline welcome and then instructions to make sure that the Paulson bailout is seen through, nothing else, and to maintain his popularity, but not get too involved in the economic restructuring.

  92. BB, it was an amazing admission. He was challenged by Joe and I thought for a moment that it might go Chernobyl. After some tense moments, they went to the editor in chief of Time magazine and quickly ended the segment. I imagine Tweety is going to hear about his little faux pas.

  93. Is there a video link to Chris Matthews saying this?

  94. Afrocity,

    I saw it on the air, it happened only about an hour or so ago. It might be up by now.

  95. Shawn
    You got one thing right
    the part about them “voting for themselves”
    you are one clueless asshole, now get lost.

  96. I just went to Lynn de R’s site, and she is asking people to contact her and/or the site with ideas about how to combat partisanship and gender bias. Please go when you get a chance and leave comments. She has the money and the profile to organize and get the message out. Rather than creating 20 small groups, it would be more effective to collaborate with larger organizations that are already formed like The New Agenda, Women Count Pac and Lynn.

    Pass the word on about Lynn’s site and leaving comments too. She asked “if” people are interested in doing this, and she needs to know there are many people who DO want to make a difference on these issues.

  97. Old Coastie, I agree one-hundred percent.

    Here’s an interesting thing: Several large “progressive” clubs in Central OH are saving their Obama yard signs for the next election, purportedly to save money.

    Already planning a win, I’m sure.

  98. Why do these bots feel it necessary to post here? Why are they so damn needy?

    “Your attacks on his character failed because they became attacks on all our character , on every one of the millions of us who donated and worked and strove to put him into office.”

    Yes, and as Hoffer stated, “Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for the lost faith in ourselves.” I’ll amend that and say, “…lost faith in yourself.” I don’t need a mass movement to redeem my life.

  99. In case you missed it, FBI questioned Rezko re possible bribe money to BHO on the land deal:

    http://www.gop.com/News/NewsRead.aspx?Guid=315dc609-77a0-4d7b-8d83-da090698278e

  100. Funny how stupid Obamabot have won yet they still feel the need to suppress freedom of speech and ideas that go against “THE ONE”.

    I have never seen such a strange case of anti-utopian idiots, as I have in Obama supporters. They are utterly devoid of reasoning.

  101. This race was never about Obama.

    LOL!! Yea riiiiiight! Go watch last night’s South Park, and you’ll see how your “historic movement” is viewed by the rest of the country.

    LOL. I guess the “movement” proudly endorses caucus fraud, race-baiting, sexism, voter suppression and manipulation, and homophobia. Good for you. Take your movement and shove it.

  102. Matthews could never win against Specter. The problem is that Specter is 80 and might retire, then it will be Matthews against some GOP guy.
    The first thing to do is probably try to convince Gov Rendell that Matthews is a no-go — and have him run someone, preferably a woman, with strong Clinton ties as the dem candidate.
    If that fails the alternative is convince the GOP to run a moderate woman. But I have a feeling Santorum will run and he has dibs, being an ex-Senator.
    Imagine the horror of having to choose between Matthews and Santorum as your senator.

  103. Shawn:
    “Obama was not a celebrity candidate. He was a movement candidate. The movement was there and it was coming one way or another. Obama just happened to be at the right place at the right time with the right talents and skills to take advantage of it.”

    Sounds like a bowel movement to me.

  104. SOD, Lady Lynn’s site is http://www.together4us.com

  105. “My job is to make this Obama administration a success. It should be the job of all journalists to make this administration look good because we are due for a successful Presidency.”

    This is frightening as hell. Keith Oblermann should take Matthews into a dark room — and with any luck neither of them will come back.

  106. p.s. to Shawn: we did not “fail.” We are a grassroots effort who in a short time, has had a lot of influence. We did not happen to have $700 million (half of which is unaccounted for) and a slobbering media shilling for us 24/7, brainwashing millions, and viciously attacking any and all opponents. We also respect and follow democratic principles.

    God, you are clueless.

  107. SOD — Thanks. :~>

  108. I wish I could call Sarah right now and say “do NOT watch any news programs for the next few weeks. do NOT read any newspapers. keep your sanity, keep your strength.”

    A single man is a threat, but a gang of men is downright dangerous.

  109. “I have never seen such a strange case of anti-utopian idiots, as I have in Obama supporters.”

    There is something seriously wrong with America when at least half this country believes Obama is a viable candidate, something just stunningly wrong. And it’s amongst the 30 and younger crowd where he enjoys the most support!?!?!

  110. fif, I agree that joining up with Lyn is great idea.

    But I have yet to meet anyone face to face and as bostonboomer said earlier, there are lots of us within close proximity.

    Anyone interested in meeting over coffee in the boston area can let me know at
    bosmeetup@aol.com

    After a rough count maybe the next logical step is to email Lyn.

    Like SOD said, if not now, when??

  111. Lynn de Rothschild: Together 4 Us site

    http://www.together4us.com/

  112. atrocity said:
    “Funny how stupid Obamabot have won yet they still feel the need to suppress freedom of speech and ideas that go against “THE ONE”. ”

    Sadly, I’m afraid this is only the beginning. Suppression of speech, and all expression of dissent, attempts at mind-control…these are the tools of the new “movement”.

  113. tin foil hat lady, you have mail!

  114. “Sadly, I’m afraid this is only the beginning. Suppression of speech, and all expression of dissent, attempts at mind-control…these are the tools of the new “movement”.”

    Loneliness and isolation are two factors upon which totalitarianism thrives. That is why I for one am so happy to have stumbled upon this site.

  115. I’m glad Palin is in Alaska! The further away from the media the better! They just can’t quit the women bashing…they want to do a Britney Spears/Lindsay Lohan on Palin .

  116. jvsp

    we’ll organize quickly and communicate by carrier pidgeon if need be
    RD says find a buddy and hold hands.
    great advice.

    im going kicking and screaming, all the way to the camps!

  117. IMO the only reason that misogyny is at the forefront at this time is that both women going for the top power positions were strong and apparently not so easily manipulated by the powers that be.

    Of course, in the end, Hillary showed that she could be convinced to strongly, um, compromise her position. Sarah, no so much, and so must be destroyed immediately.

    And we are all affected by what we see on that big picture—that’s how styles and trends get started. So how to end this trend and heal the infected wound?

  118. OT — Does anyone know what’s up with the No Quarter blog site? I’ve been trying to visit the site but keep getting a “not authorized to view this page” error message.

    Thanks,
    Cocoa

  119. Lynn de Rothschild:

    ….is one brave lady. Moving in the Upper Crust circles, she knew more than most how mucch the fix was in ….yet she went ahead anyway. God Bless her!

  120. My Obamabot “friends” all called and email to enlist my support of THE ONE.

    One such email:

    “He has won. It is over for you, will you now please aid us in making him successful? We are still friends you know. Please call me”

    My response:

    You’ve just been blocked from my email and my life. A friendship should be based upon mutual respect. I no longer respect you. Have a blessed and prosperous life. So long.

  121. Did you watch that link of Palin returning to AK? A media rep asks why she didn’t give more interviews in the beginning, and she says:

    “You know that rumor about me ‘going rogue’? That’s because I was trying to sneak phone calls to some of you in the media…that’s what that was about.”

    LOL! She’s hilarious. She just puts it right out there, and I love that she trusts her own instincts, which are obviously better than the Bush operatives that were smothering her. She didn’t take on the Republican establishment in AK and win without a keen natural ability.

  122. “im going kicking and screaming, all the way to the camps!”

    Oh good! Company! 🙂

  123. afrocity: you kick it girl!

    And you’re absolutely right. If they were truly your friends, they would have respected your position and not tried to continuously bully you. You’ll find new, better friends.

  124. Cocoa: I was able to get on. Try clearing your cache.

  125. I don’t understand this” he won , so drink your kool aid now ‘ crapola ..huh? It’s freaking still kool -aid….and no.

  126. fif, on November 6th, 2008 at 9:25 am Said:

    Lynette Long collected a lot of documented information on caucus fraud–it’s probably linked at her site.

    Thanks, fif. I’ll look for her site. Like you said, it won’t convince people who insist an “official” news agency is, by default, full of truth, but there are others who may be willing to hear the truth, even if it is not branded.

  127. StauchWoman, on November 6th, 2008 at 9:45 am Said:
    I wish I could call Sarah right now and say “do NOT watch any news programs for the next few weeks. do NOT read any newspapers. keep your sanity, keep your strength.”

    Alaska State Capitol Building
    Third Floor

    P.O. Box 110001
    Juneau, AK 99811-0001

    Phone (907) 465-3500
    Fax (907) 465-3532

    State Info (907) 465-2111

  128. afro

    I’ve lost some good friends too. And it was ugly.

    Two friends AA friends that are near and dear to my heart haven’t spoken to me since the spring. I’m hoping things will be mended at some point, but I’m not even sure where to start.
    One is in Hawaii and the other in PA
    I so miss them!

  129. “My job is to make this Obama administration a success. It should be the job of all journalists to make this administration look good because we are due for a successful Presidency.”

    I just read that again, and it’s appalling. He DOESN’T EVEN KNOW WHAT HIS JOB IS. His job is not to ASSIST the president. He even says, “all journalists.” The journalist’s job is to investigate the truth and report it factually to the American public–to make public officials accountable.

  130. Of course, in the end, Hillary showed that she could be convinced to strongly, um, compromise her position. Sarah, no so much, and so must be destroyed immediately.

    Hillary and Palin were in different positions. Palin was a running mate to McCain. what didn’t she compromise? Palin is now facing the Hillary treatment. She is the new Hillary. republicans treated Hillary like shit for years and it was all viewed as only Clinton hatred because they deserved it and had nothing to do with the fact that she was also a woman. Now the same is happening to Palin. I don’t condone it but it is an interesting situation.

  131. I keep thinking..

    To coalesce or to *not* coalesce [with other groups]?

    And then I think.. “No.”

    There are no bi-partisan groups representing ALL women to conjoin WITH…not really. We know this. NOW, PP, etc are embittered and emboldened to sit on their asses and play “sweetie” for the media.

    [ pauses to watch the DOW fall ]

    What about structuring PUMA… can we? Egad, my head is still in a fog.

  132. Guys i am leaving on a jet plane in a few hours and you start a revolution now!!! Don’t think that I have drunk the koolaid, but I will be missing til Sunday, don’t solve all the problems before I get back. Love ya all. QUESTION THE QUESTIONS.

  133. wiotus: some of the caucus info, like the videos of people who have been Democratic party activists for a long time, are very powerful. You can see with your own eyes that these sincere, humble people are telling the truth.

  134. travel safely honora!

  135. “You’ve just been blocked from my email and my life. A friendship should be based upon mutual respect. I no longer respect you. Have a blessed and prosperous life. So long.”

    My mother once put the question to me, “can you be friends with someone you don’t respect?” I find it nearly impossible, but this year if the answer to the question is no, I would have no friends. Obama the divider!

  136. Did you all see my boyfriend Joe Scar this morning? He was DEVASTATING to Andrea Mitchell and to Chris Matthews, both of whom were left speechless–if you can imagine such a thing. He took them to task for letting Team Obama off lightly on the Rahm Emannuel screwup. He said it was a major gaffe and embarassment and they ought to be reporting it as such, not covering up for Team O.

    Andrea, thrown off script, could only bluster and blabber and “um” and “uh, well,” with literally nothing to say. (For the record, I don’t think she’s in the tank for Obama; I just think she’s the laziest “journalist” on earth who’s lost without pre-programmed talking points.) Matthews became indignant and accused Joe Scar of wanting Obama to fail and saying the press should do its job to see America succeed. At which point Joe Scar reminded Mr. Tinglylegs that the press’s JOB was to report what was happening and hold the president’s feet to the fire and that the press’s JOB was to be as critical of Obama as it was of any other preznit including Clinton or Reagan, and he actually said, it wasn’t the press’s job to make Obama succeed “just like it wasn’t the press’s job to make the Iraq war succeed.”

    OUCH!! OMG it was worth missing my morning walk to stay glued to this!! It was a thing of beauty. Matthews was left literally speechless, he had no reply but a sulk.

    I’m going to try to find it on YouTube. It was great.

  137. Have a good trip Honora.

  138. OK fine SOD put my lazy ass on a train
    boomer and Pat live down the street

    🙂

    No, serious.

    I’m hoping interested peoples will email me and then we can collectively figure out a central location that works for everyone.

    bosmeetup@aol.com

    I’ve seen comments here from active and motivated people in Southern NH-hope to hear from them too.
    Does anyone know Portia?

  139. Quinn: that’s not true. Real Dems & Lynn were very bi-partisan, and she has resources. These kinds of things cost money (example: the Obama grassroots army). We can be independent, but still collaborate with others to be more effective.

  140. I’m actually most interested in the press proble, but had an OT question — is it possibl to file suit against the DNC or whomever for caucus fraud? We have the right to petition for redress of grievances.

  141. honora we need you, we’ll be here!
    Safe trip

  142. The journalist’s job is to investigate the truth and report it factually to the American public–to make public officials accountable.

    So true but sadly in the new world order journalists don’t believe in those ideals. They expect to be pampered and in return offer great reviews for the people they are supposed to objectively investigate. Obama gave them that.

  143. Afrocity – don’t they know he’s supposed to make it a successful administration, not you?

    RD I’m in northern NJ – 30mins from NYC – there seeme to be a good many of us here in NJ and metro NY – perhaps some of us can meet as we structure our forward movement. jcd85at verizon.com.

  144. Dancing: I am SO GLAD to hear that! Please post the YouTube if it’s available. God…at least there are some people out there telling the damn truth.

  145. Plus, whoever we get together with, at least initially, needs to be verified as authentic PUMAs using the blog email records.

    ————————————————————————

    I agree.

    Everyone, what is going on with Larry Johnson’s site? Is it down, or is it just me?

  146. Quinn

    I hear you loud and clear on the issue of bipartisanship.

    My own personal feelings, here, don’t mean to offend anyone.

    I don’t have the time or energy to fight the DNC and would be just fine with watching them go up in flames while a new party forms.
    I’m not interested in “taking the party back”
    fuck the “party”
    that divisive bullshit just helped keep a capable woman out of the white house-twice!!!

  147. I think we need a coalition, And within the coalition we should not let the reproductive choice/abortion issue divide us. Women will always disagree about it. But maybe we can all agree, whether we are conservative or liberal, that it should be up to women to decide this. Dems and GOP don’t get to use this as a leash on us.
    Let’s elect women leaders in the Executive, in the Legislative, and advance them in the Judiciary so that women can battle out the abortion issue without men interfering.

  148. FIF — Thanks. I still couldnt access it through AOL, but when I closed AOL and went directly to IE, it worked….Interesting!

  149. NoQuarter is up, must be just you (or your browser)

  150. Greta is addressing right now the treatment of Sarah Palin, by the way.

    http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

  151. I’m thinking we need to make Sunday’s sermon at the large and local Mormon church a little less attended here in Orange County, CA.

    I would love to see a thousand pissed off gays occupying the sidewalks with signs that make our feelings known.

    off to work now.

  152. -fif

    Quinn: that’s not true. Real Dems & Lynn were very bi-partisan, and she has resources.

    I agree FIF. I didn’t mean individuals, though. I meant national groups. I meant organizations like NOW and Planned Parenthood. Those groups are doing nothing to defray the damage inflicted upon women by the media, lately.

    Lady de Rothschild is fabulous, as is Lynn, and ALL real Dems. I was just speaking to *national* groups.

  153. The media’s relentless attack on Palin led to the driving up of her negatives. Lady Lynn has it right. If you are going to built any organization that starts to exclude people you will be doomed to failure. I know that many of you are angry at the men, but they too have daughters and granddaughters that they dearly love and want to see treated treated fairly. Lady Lynn not only spoke to sexism, but to partisanship as well. Someone who has organizing skills needs to start pulling all these groups together, by first starting chapters in the states. Revenue will be needed, so some kind of support would be necessary by the parties. There are some really brainy people on these blogs and they need to come up with some thoughts on how to proceed.

  154. votermom

    how about “politicians out of our pants” as a motto?
    how about dumping the word “choice” and replacing it with “privacy!”

  155. NOW and PP are dead to me. DEAD.

  156. Obama Win: Good For Rush and Conservative Blogs

    I think you guys will be fighting will the Kostards for primacy within the party.

    http://patriotroom.com/?p=3953

  157. politicians out of our pants

    I LOVE it!

  158. Foxnews is about to become MSNBC and clearly, MSNBC will be what Fox was for obama.

  159. DancingOpossum, on November 6th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    ———–
    Saw that too, would have loved to have seen more of that a few months ago, mitchell shoud be ashamed of herself.
    Tried to find video on msnbo, not there.

    Oh, and mathews is a freaking azzhole. Like daddy used to say… “no filter between his brain and his mouth”

  160. Chris Matthews on Morning Show: goose stepping for Barry and issuing strict orders to the rest of Pravda. They don’t even hide it anymore. If he wanted a successful Presidency he should not have spat on Hillary at every chance. He doesn’t want a successful Presidency. Because the stealing is far easier during a disaster.

  161. -votermom

    how about “politicians out of our pants” as a motto?

    Ahhaaahaaa. POOP?

    I love it.

  162. look mccain was doing very well till the so called “finanical mess” took place. and wasn’t it just so CONVENIENT. sure there are issues there for sure but don’t take out the element of manipulation. and the media loves another thing to hype 24 hours a day.

    i think the corporations want a lackey. obama fits the bill. the aa’s and lefties are under the bus, but they don’t know it yet. bush was a corporate slave and so is obama. he is in a vice and can’t do as much as the campaign or lefties implied. that is a given. the old dnc is moving into the power positions. emanuel is pelosi’s little buddy. and so it goes.

  163. lmao
    “poop”
    back to drawing board.

  164. ooh found it

    mathews on morning joe:

  165. poplicola: I just put a note of support in the mail for Governor Palin. Thank you for providing the address; the idea might not have crossed my mind, otherwise.

  166. Oh wait, correction on the Meeting Minutes:

    Politicians Out Of Our Pants = POOOP.

    🙂

  167. I just called the SPLC b/c of an email they sent me yesterday hailing the Obama win. While I understand that for a significant number of Americans who never imagined anyone with black/brown/non-white skin could become president, this seems amazing, I was ready to cry to see the SPLC, which had never been “political” in the party sense before, praise Obama. He stands for things they claim they don’t: the death penalty, hatred of GLBT, hatred of women. The woman on the phone wanted my name to verify I had been a contributor, which is fair, but then she was visibly upset that I was unhappy about the election of Obama and had the nerve to call him out for “his character.” I said, we haven’t won anything. His character was not the reason he was elected; hardly any one paid any attention to his character. I am going to watch their publications for the next couple of months and if I see Obotulism infecting the SPLC, I am stopping my support.

  168. I hope someone puts up a pitchfork post today.

  169. The elements in the financial melt down have been there for over a year….why now? At the same time there where no bin Laden tapes popping up every 3 weeks and pimped by the press. If Bush was running, these facts would have been reversed . The fix was in
    and there has been no change.

  170. I am in Chicago. Can’t we start this with a phone call? Isn’t this a good place to come because we could go to BO’s house and get some media attention.

    NOW, is outdated. Feminism is no longer about birth control, and Roe V. Wade. This party bullshit is polarizing. Now we have people for BO making socialism acceptable. I have seen more “I’m a socialist” buttons during the last month. This is disturbing.

  171. leave it to afrocity, she’s not even messing around.

    We’ll start off with a bang in front of the O mansion..

    We have yet to define our cause and we’re on the Secret Service radar.

    😉

  172. Riverdaughter paid a call on me so I’m just returning the favor. Hi!!!! (waving madly at Riverdaughter)

  173. DancingOpossum: if you find that clip of Joe Scar–I have never heard of him–reminding the media of their job, please post the link! I would love to see it.

  174. votermom, on November 6th, 2008 at 10:21 am Said:
    NOW and PP are dead to me. DEAD.

    Indeed. You know what? I think they have been dead for sometime….we just didn’t notice…much like the Dem party

  175. catarina: I completely agree with the “privacy” option. It is stupid to use “choice”. If you consider the arguments attacking homosexuality also revolve around “choice” – there is a reason for that.

    When anything comes down to a “choice” that can be publicly vetted, it opens the “choice” to attack.

  176. I am also in Chicago.

  177. To RD and PUMA Warriors:

    Last night at a very late hour, I read your “Commentary” entitled “Wednesday: We have Overcome,” (posted November 5, 2008). I thought about the post and the many thoughtful comments all night and I must respond this morning because I find the “Cognitive Dissonance” really unbearable.

    First, my response to this post by RD is to share with you an email that I received from POCPUMA (People of Color PUMA) also yesterday, November 5th. POCPUMA does not include the “We Have Overcome” concept and the Chicago Celebration for President-Elect Barack Obama (PEBO) on their list (as you will see).

    Also, I believe that the Democrat Party and the campaign tactics of President Elect, Barack Obama (PEBO) have set the state of women and fight for progress on women’s issues back decades in this Country and in the World.

    At this point I doubt that my one year old grand daughter, Isabella Medina will celebrate the victory of a woman POTUS in the misogynistic atmosphere fomented and encouraged by PEBO and the still corrupt Democrat Party Leadership.

    So RD for me there is NO “WE” in the celebration of PEBO’s election for POTUS (invoking the memory of Rev. Martin Luther King and his great sacrifice and accomplishments of the Civil Rights Movement does not change that one bit).

    Also, amazingly to guarantee that there is NO opposition in 2012 to PEBO; the elected Party and DNC Leadership is STILL orchestrating the MSM bashing of Gov. Sarah Palin; just to make sure that POTUS TO BE, Obama has NO ONE such as this “outrageous woman” to challenge him.

    Please also TOTALLY forget OUR Hillary in 2012 she would be “burned at the stake” if she dared to challenge PEBO again.

    Here is the e-mail from the folks at POCPUMA:

    “[From :
    Sent : Wednesday, November 5, 2008 3:15 PM
    Subject : Don’t Give Up, The Job Is Not Done…

    [All,

    It was great working with you to fight the good fight of NObama! The cause was just, honorable, and worthwhile.

    As for me, the fight is NOT over, because I want to help others expose what Obama has been able to keep hidden. I am motivated by the parable of the lamp in the Bible: “For nothing is hidden that shall not become evident, nor anything secret that shall not be known and come to light.” (Mark 8:17)

    We cannot allow what happened to stand unchecked, otherwise, others will seek to use the same gameplan. My main reasons for not supporting Barack Obama still stand.

    1. He was nominated in an UNDEMOCRATIC process by the Democratic Party
    2. He is too INEXPERIENCED to lead our great country (no time for “training wheels” in the White House)
    3. He is UNTRUSTWORTHY (a lot to be uncovered about Obama…he has to earn my trust)

    SUGGESTIONS…
    1. Just don’t go away and be quiet, and hope for the best.
    2. Get active in political parties (I have decided to join the Republican Party).
    3. Financially support those who continue to dig into Obama’s secret past and will keep him in check during
    his presidency.
    4. Keep the blogs active, and don’t let the left wing blogs go unchecked.
    5. Consider joining forces with a more organized group that can raise funds and act nationally.
    6. Do NOT become that which you are fighting!

    POCPUMA.com … JustSayNoDeal.com]”

    Also, here is a link for a relatively new group in NJ for those interested in one of the most dynamic groups in the Garden State effort to end corruption in NJ:

    http://blog.savejersey.com/

    Just so you know, these are primarily Republican oriented folks; but as others have said here and I agree; I will put PRINCIPLE first (over Party)!!

    I am inspired to work with all those who want honesty and integrity in government, who love this great Nation (faults and all), who want to see economic freedom and democracy continue for ALL and who want to see a qualified WOMAN elected POTUS (before 2020). WE have much work to do!!!

    Thank you PUMA’s everywhere and BLESS YOU on the JOURNEY!!!

  178. Here’s Tweety chirping about his job of making the Lightbringer’s administration be a success:

  179. A downloaded copy of the caucus fraud documentary is my Christmas present to any and all obots in my family and/or among my friends, whose judgment I will now forever question.

    http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm

  180. Why are PUMAs still watching MSNBO? Boycott! I know everyone likes Joe but they still have disgusting individuals as guests. Boycott all biased media. Write their advertisers and tell them why you won’t buy their products. Hit them in their wallet. It’s all we have right now.

  181. The media is the method of controlling the masses, and this is how they turn them into zombies, by controlling the message. Boycott the MSM, seriously!!!

  182. Both the NY and the WP published interviews with Ayres. It seems that Ayres and his wife are and have been close advisors of the Obamas and will continue in this role.

  183. Doctorate,

    Hello fellow Chicagoan.

    I watch Fox and only Fox now.

  184. jjmtacoma, on November 6th, 2008 at 10:40 am Said:

    catarina: I completely agree with the “privacy” option. It is stupid to use “choice”. If you consider the arguments attacking homosexuality also revolve around “choice” – there is a reason for that.

    When anything comes down to a “choice” that can be publicly vetted, it opens the “choice” to attack.
    _________________________________________________________
    absolutely! I’m more of the “it’s nobody’s goddamned business” mind.
    and since it’s nobody’s goddamned business and it’s PRIVATE, then why are we still, in this century, even discussing it?!
    Same with gay rights. It’s a matter of MYOB!

  185. not sure why my comment is in moderation?

  186. SOD,

    11

  187. “Obama was not a celebrity candidate.”

    Yes, he was. He was a celebrity, air-brushed, empty, teleprompter, TMZ candidate. He was a cipher, nothing, empty, shallow, narcissistic candidate. He was the Access Hollywood candidate. He was the TMZ candidate. He was the iCandidate, the me-me-me candidate, the feel-good-about-my-lifestyle, the buying-organic-cotton-tshirt-online-will-save-the-world candidate. He was the consumer candidate, the Pepsi candidate, the American Idol candidate, the brand name candidate. He was the in-the-pocket of big corporate media candidate. He was the sinking direction of public discourse candidate, the spiral downwards, the need half a billion bucks, airbrushing and a super-expensive tailored suit candidate of the future. He’s the boot stamping on the face of equality, public financing, fair press and dissent with a shriek in a stadium and a fluff by Chris Matthews.

    Yeah, you might say he was the celebrity candidate.

  188. SOD

    I just emailed you with respect to action to be taken.

    Afrocity, doctorate – I am also in Chicago.

  189. They need to eviscerate Sarah Palin, STILL, because they do not have, nor have they ever had, any positive vision.

    All they have is slogans and cracking heads. They’ll keep cracking Sarah’s until they get someone new.

  190. The change in Washington is that the President is a Harvard man instead of a Yalie.

  191. puma alliance is no more. I offered other people to take over the blog but no one seemed to want to. I just don’t have time to keep it up without help.

  192. New post up!!

  193. Looking,

    Great, there is another PUMA , Sergio is about 90 miles from Chicago

  194. poplicola:
    yes, thanks for the sara contact info.. had it already, already sent her an email yesterday, but also just snail-mailed her a note of support.

    don’t expect she’ll see any of it directly, not at first anyway, because i’m sure there are lots of crazed frothing-at-the-mouth obamabot gang-rapers who will be sending her hate mail. mostly because they have nothing else to do with their miserable lives.

    but i hope her mesages willa be carefully screened and she’ll at least receive the supportive ones.

  195. poplicola, on November 6th, 2008 at 11:05 am Said:
    The change in Washington is that the President is a Harvard man instead of a Yalie.

    LMAO

  196. Afrocity,

    Great. I’m actually in the Naperville Aurora area and work downtown ( I am currently living at work – trying to finish up a major launch by Friday so I can have my life back to do the important things like this).

  197. Chris Mathews on Morning Joe this morning: “our job (as journalists) is to support this new president”
    So there you go. The presses job is to support the president.

  198. arp

    Maybe some of the blogs need to be consolidated?

    Insightanalytical

    In addition to all the new media – maybe adding a diverse blog roll might be valuable? Please don’t shoot me, but back when I was trying to get a good picture of the truth about the process towards the Iraq war I wnet to a diverse group of blogs from right to left and inbetween. The truth was often a combination of details. This is just a thought.

  199. How does one download you tube videos? I’d like to download the “we will not be silenced” series but don’t know how?

  200. Listen all—–have put in my two cents here and other places before to no avail. But, a year ago, my daughter who knows the media (worked for CNN and now does PR for another Co.) told me about the 6 min. rule. They all care about ratings. If you stay on a channel for up to 6 min. that channel gets the ratings, period. The lower the ratings, the less $ they get from advertisers. It would be good to target their advertisers, but it is slower–. We need to get out the 6 min. rule info to right wing sites and the almost half of America who is disturbed that, once again, the media is picking our president (again).

  201. yes I do agree with consolidating the larger blogs. Ironically the last few days were some of the heaviest traffic, but there are far better blogs out there. Like this one! 🙂

  202. Well, this is simple. We no longer have to oconcern ourselves with sending my granddaughter to college in order to learn journalism. What a relief.

  203. re youtube:

    zamzar.com will conver them for free and send you a download link.

    you can a firefox extention I think it is called unplug and there is another called video downloader

    Not sure which is best, I use firefox extensions.

  204. arp

    THANKS 🙂

  205. btw, a massive boycott would send a message big time. I love boycotts-have been boycotting Proctor and Gamble, Exxon and others for years. OK so I haven’t hurt their bottom line-but I feel righteous. Also-boycott veal for nearly my entire life. Boycotts work if enough people participate, but everybody needs to do it—-everybody needs to send info to everyone they know and the sites that get alot of traffic–maybe sign a pledge of something. You are all right though, the media is the heart of the problem.

  206. I noticed during the campaign that many more African-Americans called in to C-Span. It got so heavy that I began to wonder if it was somehow organized. I suggest that everyone start calling in to C-Span regularly to urge Pres-elect Obama to appoint women to major positions and to make other comments regarding media bias, DNC bias, more women needed in power, and the threat of Islamic Sharia law creeping into Western societies.

  207. Remember-econ. boycotting ended S. African apartheid.

  208. Afrocity, I am near Chicago right now, in NW Indiana. I sometimes take the South Shore into the Loop.

  209. Have to leave for a bit to work 🙂 will be back.

    Go PUMA’s

  210. What are the odds thatr PUMA PAC could use its resources to try and affect the perception of media and “journalism.”

  211. […] reading from the Confluence: Thursday: The problem is still the media Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Tasmania’s Pulp Mill Crescendo – media round […]

  212. Hi RD & Co.

    This morning, your post on the media and I think it was Miq2xu? If not, somebody here? Was writing about Dowd of NYT and the slanted edits. Plus the “total” ownership of radios/tv/papers and so forth.

    This happened under deregulation? What began to happen in the late 80’s is that moguls went around buying up papers. In the old days a town might have two papers? The papers balanced out the opinions — one more conservative and the other more liberal. Along came personal computers post 1984. And the rise of the Indy/arty press…

    People began to do their own publications, and advertising themselves. Also, the web was a happening thing. Papers like the one I worked for were very nervous about the web pulling all the readers away — so papers had web sites “sprout” up.

    What happened is that people were laid off — dozens and dozens of newsrooms, writers, staffers and so forth. The old wire services that all the reporters used to craft stories are in here now.

    But what is lacking are the authentic “voices” — what you have going on is exactly like a column? So, in a way you are a “human interest story” — columns were what people used to buy the paper for. Like I follow Steve Lopez in the LAT. (he is still in print there)–

    But — the “local” flavor of the “media” isn’t. Because the stories are canned and recycled by these mega owners. Throughout the chain? Many people that own the papers weren’t newspaper people with the exception of the NYT… Papers became a business venture, rather than what they used to be?

    What a paper was — was the “conscience” of a town. Here is the key slogan. “Comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable”—
    so, citizen journos have TREMENDOUS power.

    Look at your readership? In the millions.
    Instead of a newspaper’s old role — which was like a book being dropped off every day on your doorstep — or something carried and left for others out in public — on a train, say—- The Confluence is a destination. You could say that Goldberry once upon a time was a destination? Now RD is. The “voice” of yours probably hasn’t changed?

    The “columnists” you run also have very unique voices.

    Take a look at this place when you get a chance:
    http://www.laobserved.com

    He used to work for the LAT and you can see what that looks like.
    What I like about the Confluence is the depth of the writing.
    So, see — you are like a female Steve Lopez to me? As a columnist.
    Believe me, the snarky column days are coming to a close RD.

    A witty column is another thing entirely.
    And a heartfelt column, something really great.

    Newspapers are happy if the bloggers drive traffic their way, by citing them. In a sense it ads to their circulation?

    Over at NQ — that is investigative journalism. That main guy Larry has influenced reporters just as you have with PUMA.
    They are in fear and awe, my dear……

    Ps: I’m so sorry about CA and prop 8 — for the community it affects. My state (so I thought) was one of the most tolerant states in the world. When massive ad buys run on TV 24/7 — they become subliminals? Or they are using subliminals ala Marshall McLuhan— that is what guess who did. And what the anti prop 8 crew did as well.

    The proles don’t really think? This is why language is now dumbed down to a symbol or a twittery nothingness.

    I have about 375 or more come by each day. Right now they are looking for “propaganda” and “glittering generalities” like you cannot believe. So, I feel like I’ve taught them something?
    It was fun for me to write that way.

    I’m going to tell you what is so incredible in those searches — people literally thought the Dems had their own flag. I got searches for “what is a clinton puma” or “what does the democrat flag look like” or… ‘what is betsy ross’——– or “is betsy ross puma” —— !

    Sometimes it was really sad — because you could tell the person asking the question really didn’t know?

    So, The Confluence is part “hang out” — part news, part op-ed, part funny, part people meeting –?
    Part HUB — as in Democrats (the real thing) HUB.

    But, the greatest thing is its heart?
    It totally has one, and it has its own presence….

    Ah well.

    ps: last night a VERY bad episode where I heard some men shred Palin — I dealt with it, And they shut up. But, I love the male voices here and things they have said — it’s been great to see first the support of Hillary and then Palin in this place. It’s like that at NQ too.

    hugs — you know, the glow is going to wear off very soon on this whole deal — imagine Le Dowd then, or your old stomping grounds….

    truthfully, I could care less if that happens — after that finger action and all the rest?

    Ugh.

    Actually, I’m really glad I know people like the Confluence types in a time like this one — HAVEN is the word?

    Haven.

    xxoo!

  213. Were it not for the media, would Obama not have won?
    Can we become citizen activists and journalists to change the mainstream media? Hold them accountable by getting them on camera talking about their biases?!?! Become part of the ODM wiki and see for yourself: http://www.opendoormedia.org/wiki

  214. wlotus,

    soupcity just posted it above!! Thanks soupcity!!

  215. DancingOpossum you’re welcome..

    I had to find it cause I thought I couldn’t have possibly heard it right…..unbelievable…

  216. I don’t agree that the problem is the media. With all the media help, Obama had to outspend McCain to get his message out. Even with the media in the tank, Obama had to outspend Hillary.

  217. The problem is the endless money.

  218. Here is the Chris Matthews link, making abundantly clear that his JOB is to make Obama’s presidency successful, not cover the presidency as a journalist, but to HELP the administration.

    http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=e46Ueu6USU

    And…here is Mr. Dean, yesterday, the day after the election at the National Press Club, trying to squirm out of admitting what all those snickering in the audience know all to well: the media’s complicity in giving Obama an advantage in the election. More telling than his denial, are perhaps the laughs of those present.

    http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=e46UQuQuSU

    And here: the RNC chairman’s further take on the media’s role when comparing the coverage between the candidates:

    http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=e46UQuQuQu

  219. Riverdaughter, in her post, said:
    “It would be nice to think that now that the media got what it wanted that it will do its job and report on the presidency of Barack Obama with a more critical eye. Anyone who is thinking that should pass the bong because I don’t think that’s going to happen.

    I don’t think that, and for that reason, please: Pass the bong.

  220. Rush Limbaugh just announced (this is my second time ever hearing his show, first was this past weekend on a road trip to from DC to SC) that 70% of single female voters going with Obambi made the difference in this election.

    I haven’t been able to verify this stat independently yet, however…

  221. Sorry I’m late to this thread, computer problems, it won’t let me type a long comment.

    Media reform — everybody blog. Blog about cooking and animals and skydiving. Every minute someone reads your blog, they are NOT reading Big Media.

    Maybe a portal to whichever credible traditional media stories do show a spark of honest reporting. Anyone in the right timezone to scout some?

    By blogging about animals or whatever, one builds up personal credibility. A link in one’s sig to the portal makes the portal known and available. Occasionally one mentions some current event being covered there.

    Stuff that’s too far out loses credibility, even if true.

  222. Interesting point R2D2. For me, in the past, I’ve trusted the judgment of editorial writers, but this year it’s seemed obvious to me they are not doing their jobs. No more will I trust them. People who didn’t notice, I’m sure that carried more weight than glossy commercials. OTOH, there a lot of dopey people out there who don’t read opinion columns just believe their peers who to vote for.

    Here’s the sequence I see. Hillary’s health care plan threatened insurance companies: big business. McCain has fought corporations in the past, so the corporations wanted to punish both of them and keep them out of power. The mainstream media is run by big business. Obama was friendly to big business (look at FISA — he’d opposed it, then somehow got convinced to completely reverse his position in favor of the telecom corporations). The press created a fawning environment for one candidate, to a degree I haven’t seen since the first time Reagan got elected. (There was even a study done, mentioned in The Tipping Point, by Gladwell, where merely positive attitudes of news anchors toward Reagan raised positive ratings of him by viewers.) The corporations helped fund Obama (where’d he get so much money?) and their presses brainwashed the public. I voted for Nader because his issues page includes reforming the press and fighting corporate influence. He also has more experience than Obama.

    Downticket wrote: Hillary and Palin were in different positions. Palin was a running mate to McCain. what didn’t she compromise? Palin is now facing the Hillary treatment. She is the new Hillary. Republicans treated Hillary like shit for years and it was all viewed as only Clinton hatred … and had nothing to do with the fact that she was also a woman. Now the same is happening to Palin. I don’t condone it but it is an interesting situation.

    Great point. They zeroed in on those whom people are used to dissing: women. I disagree with Palin’s world view but I will send her a thank you card for running. I appreciate her.

  223. opendoor media said:
    “Were it not for the media, would Obama not have won?”

    My answer to that is a resounding YES! He would not have won. Clinton would have won the primaries, and handily won the presidency. We’d have seen a more civil and substantive campaign. We’d have had specific plans from day one, not 2 weeks before the election.

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