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Wednesday: We Have Overcome

Celebrating in Grant Park

Celebrating in Grant Park

For those of us who grew up in the 60’s and later, this is a moment we have all been waiting for practically all of our lives.  Yesterday, something truly transformative happened.  This country was built by the hands of slaves, wrenched from their homes, stacked into ships, auctioned at markets, separated from their children, subject to beatings, rape, shackles and decades of apartheid.  Martin Luther King Jr. told us about his dream.  A dream where we would be judged by the content of our characters, not the color of the skin.  Last nght, we overcame the color of the skin barrier.  For this, we should all be very happy.

Take time to celebrate this moment in history.  It is as important as Neil Armstrong’s walk on the moon.  Today, backs will stand a little straighter and the words of Martin Luther King Jr. will ring throughout the land.  “Free at last, Free at last, thank God Almighty, we are free at last!”

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410 Responses

  1. Right again RD – it is an historic moment – it would have been better if the Content of Character had been part of it but you are right it is one step forward.

  2. This is a joke?

  3. Your forgot the tag.

  4. NO it is one step BACKWARDS.

    I do not accept hopey changey BS.

  5. No, this is not a joke. This is a moment of celebration. That doesn’t mean there are serious problems to address or that Obama didn’t cheat his way into the nomination. But don’t let the bitterness of the primary season take away from this moment of history.

  6. “This country was built by the hands of slaves, wrenched from their homes, stacked into ships, auctioned at markets, separated from their children, subject to beatings, rape, shackles and decades of apartheid…”

    But when you start writing like that, you’re forgetting that Obama used the backs of the decendants of these same people to get where he is. He is not slave blood, and in fact his ancestors owned slaves. It disturbs me to read ANYbody writing like you just did, because it reeks of the narrative that Obama was trying to forge (literally -forge-, as in “forgery”) for himself when he put his ass on the block for sale to the Black Americans (like Sugar, among others) who would swallow his lies about Selma.

    While I agree that hey, it’s historic to have a mixed-heritage browner-than-most President, he is half-African and half-white, with a history that shows he -tried- to “feel” what other Black Americans felt but could not because he was raised in privilege in Hawaii. Heck, as a darker-than-most hispanic asian mix, growing up in a white little enclave in Massachusetts I can tell you that *I* felt much more racism than Barry had growing up.

  7. Color me cynical, but considering who were the forces behind this skin deep “accomplishment” I can’t see myself celebrating.
    I don’t see it as a right won as a crumb thrown to the masses as appeasement by the dark forces – a cynical ploy rather than a step to progress.

  8. Northwest: This is completely different from Hopey-Changey BS. This is a sincere, heartfelt feeling of joy. Give yourself a chance to enjoy it. It might be the last one we have for a long time.

  9. …So here’s my celebratory “Yaaaaaaaay…” *unethusiastically waving one finger in the air for Obama*

    …*won’t tell you which finger, though* ;D

  10. Yes, it is an historic moment. It is a moment of celebration. It won’t last, of course, but today et us celebrate that.
    And tomorrow, let us go back to work on that glass ceiling that still exists for women.

  11. RD is perhaps conveniently overlooking the Chicago element. One of the best ways to re-enslave people is to make them dependent on government handouts… while utilizing the power of their vote. That makes for a strong machine, and is possibly the Achilles heel of democracy.

    It was Abraham Lincoln who said you can never help a man permanently by doing for him what he could and should do for himself.

    We can hope for racial healing, but if the months leading up to the election are indicative of what will follow, I haven’t seen it yet.

    Thank you for your hard work, RD, and your optimism.

  12. I have only one thing to say:

    OhBummer!

  13. PUMA John: This is not about OBAMA. He is just a symbol. This is about US as a nation and the people who made it. We were able to prove once and for all that race is not a factor anymore. Be happy about that. I *can’t* feel depressed about it. I think it’s thrilling.

  14. I don’t celebrate a vote for the destruction of unborn life, which destroys blacks and people of color in higher proportion than my own race.

    I thank the brilliant and beautiful blogger for the many kind comments she made about my poetry. Farewell.

  15. finely: I think you do not understand my political philosophy. I am a Democrat and moderate to liberal, not a Republican. What might be considered a handout to you may look like opportunity to me.
    My issues with Obama had nothing to do with my politics and everything to do with the way he ran his campaign. I still have problems with that and they need to be addressed.
    But I am a child of the Civil Rights Era and I am very glad this day has come. I would have been just as glad if Hillary had won. It would have been just as significant.

  16. We were able to prove once and for all that race is not a factor anymore

    I have to disagree here. Obama won in part because he used his race as a weapon. He made it more of a factor, not less.

  17. I am not proud. For too long we African-Americans have been given the leftovers and been told to be proud and grateful that we have them. The election of Obama is more of the same, and I refuse to be happy or proud of it.

    It is time African-Americans stood up and demanded quality, rather than accepting any old hand-me-down and bowing in reverence to it.

  18. As an AA, I can say with absolute certainty that I feel no wonder.

  19. Sorry, but we are not ALL free. Prop 8 passed, so I think we have a lot of work to do, thank you very much. Sorry, if I don’t celebrate because the fraud that was elected has a darker complexion than I do.

  20. I feel not a shred of joy this morning. None.
    and Obama won because race most definitely IS a factor.
    I will not celebrate.

  21. Maybe if he hadn’t stepped on my back (women) to get there- it would be
    a cause for celebration. Sorry, I just don’t care about -the end does not justify the means.

  22. Right. Just like O.J. being acquitted of double murder was because of “the credibility card” as the degenerate Johnnie Cochran stated and not the race card. There is no blood on my hands, nor any other PUMA’s that I know. For those that have failed to do their homework and have followed blindly…they will not be able to say the same. It won’t be long before a few of the MSM turns on Barky. One final thought. Michelle will actually be the First Lady. I am now slitting my wrist.

  23. Sergei: You are looking from the wrong POV. The people who overcame race were the voters. The emphasis is on us as a nation, not on Obama as a corrupt politician. Yes, it is a shame that it is THIS man but the willingness of the electorate to overlook his skin color is the significant thing here.
    Be glad about that. We’ve grown overnight.

  24. edit: I don’t care about IT-

  25. RD, I live in the nation’s capital. What may look like opportunity to you looks like a handout to me. 🙂 The oil still flows in Texas, and the money still flows in Washington. Much of the spending has zero to do with opportunity, and precious little actually gets to the poor. But it does grease the machine.

    (P.S. I do realize racial healing is necessary, but from talking with AAs, this may not create a conducive environment for it… though a glass ceiling has been shattered when a ninth grader can now say, “I can be president too if I want.”)

  26. […] Over, at the Confluence , Riverdaughter has the graciousness to consider the much vaunted skin deep historical momeny of having a different pigmentation POTUS. […]

  27. John, well said, I agree with your analysis.
    I think that what happened yesterday is that the majority of Americans, having had two presidential elections stolen, reasserted the Democratic majority that elected Bill Clinton. I am extremely sad about this figurehead, but glad to see that the true character of the American people, the humane, hard working, realistic majority, have regained the reins of power. I hope (because there’s no evidence for it) that now the Democrats will take care of the real business of this life (not making money: caring for the planet and the people we love) and get rid of horrible distractions like gitmo. With a son in Times Square last night, I breathe a sigh of relief that our enemies have not acted against us here, now.

  28. a bittersweet moment to be sure… Have we overcome? Maybe. Am I glad? Sort of.

    Yay! A Black president. it is a big deal, but it is hard for me to really celebrate

  29. Obama will continue to use race as a weapon, so I think your celebration is premature.

  30. I actually agree that the “race is not a factor anymore” goes too far. If every word from “arrogant” to “terrorist” hadn’t been labeled “r@cist” (and for the sole purpose of shutting legitimate questions down) then I could agree that race is not a factor anymore. But, sadly, they were, and it is. I’m happy that AAs in this country have what they perceive to be “their moment.” But it isn’t an authentic moment. If Hillary had won in spite of the misogyny, maybe it could have been said that gender is not a factor anymore. But that most certainly did not happen.

  31. Here’s why “we” didn’t overcame anything – we just fit perfectly into the new white supremacist narrative embraced by Bush – personally
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/why-i-dont-think-we-overcame-anything/

  32. Beautiful words Riverdaughter.
    Sadly, this was not the right benefactor.
    We as a nation just elected the 1st, “POLITICALLY CORRECT”
    President!

  33. For years I’ve said that when mediocre women can reach the same levels of success that have been achieved by mediocre men, then true equality between the sexes will exist.

    With the ascension of a mediocre black man (of questionable character) to the Presidency of the United States, AA’s have overcome. No more excuses. Stand and deliver.

    RD, you’re a better woman than I this morning. I’m still mad as hell and I don’t know what to do with that anger.

    My Significant Other is bi-racial and was never politically active until Obama became the nominee (he didn’t even register to vote until after the primaries). He is of course filled with pride today and I am trying very hard to be happy for him. Let’s just say I’m going to have to fake it.

    He and I have barely been speaking for the past few weeks. We live in different states and didn’t speak last night. He emailed me right after the election was called telling me he was “blubbering like a baby” and I still haven’t replied. I’m not sure we’re going to make it. It’s partly the long-distance thing, but I’d be lying if I didn’t admit the election has played a part in what I believe will be our demise.

    This place has been my refuge for months now. I feel as if I know you all. Can anyone spare a hug?? Many, many thanks .

  34. RD, thank you for this post. I knew I would have two things to celebrate today: 1) the end of Bush and 2) a first. This first is as important as the first woman VP.

    Barack is not of slave heritage, but he is of African heritage. To many people he is what we call “black.” He’s a symbol. He ran as a symbol (among other things). While Bill may still be some people’s choice, to so many he is the first Black President-elect.

    My greatest feeling today, however, is one of relief. It’s over. I need an ibuprofen and a rainbow to fly over.

  35. mawminc: Actually, I think he may not be able to get away with it like he could a few weeks ago. We’ll see.
    Don’t get me wrong. I completely loathe the guy and the way he got to be where he is. I don’t think he has a clue what’s going to happen next. He’s set women back by decades. But the color barrier? That is significant, Mawm. That’s cause for rejoicing.

  36. I think plenty of people voted for him to prove that they weren’t r*cist–just that they were horribly misguided (I refuse to say stupid).

  37. ((hugs))

  38. Thank you RD for digging deep and finding an expression of clarity and generosity. I came to this site because of what I perceived you – you personally – stood for, and what the writers you chose stood for.

    Thank you for reaffirming principles of honesty and decency.

    No, Northwest rain, this is not a joke. And my comment on an earlier post was not a joke either. Myiq expressed things very well for me in his last post, in our need to focus on honest, objectivity, equality, fairness and logic (with an occasional “f*ck you” thrown in to spice things up).

    Myiq and RD’s posts have brightened my mood greatly. THIS is what I believed in. I wanted Hillary, I didn’t get her. I did not want BO and I did get him. But much more important than BO and – yes – even more important than Hillary, is the spirit I see expressed by myiq and Rd on these last two posts. My admiration for the both of you has reached new heights. May your spirits stay high!

  39. Today we celebrate the victory of Barack Obama over the women of America. t has been a hard fight for him, with over half a billion dollars spent, all the media on hsi side not to mention all of the women who decided that their own interests were a lot less important than those of the people who have been keeping them down for millenia.

    Today we celebrate another victory of the patriarchy over women, with the benevolent help of many people whom we once thought of as friends and allies. This momentuous event tells us that everyone can achieve everything they desire as long as they have a penis, and that women have once again been sent to the kitchen where we belong.

    Today we celebrate the loss of not one but two competent women and the maintaining and reinforcing of the glass ceiling. We salute the amazing political discourse in which women have once again been kept down with sexist attacks to their looks, families, clothes and all other stuff, while obviously corrupt and incompetent men were given a free pass by the same media who brought us 8 successful years of GW Bush.
    We celebrate a serious setback of the women’s equality and we salute the victorious mysoginy forces who have managed to yet again keep the bitches down where they belong.

  40. Nell, I can well believe the blubbering like a baby. I was with madamab and ladyboomer in a bar when I saw the image above and it hit me like a ton of bricks. It is no exaggeration to say I was giddy and thrilled. It is one of the dreams of my generation to see this happen. I wish it weren’t this guy but I can’t help but feel very happy for all of us.

  41. Wow Chicago does look beautiful. Thank you River Daughter. That is very gracious of you.
    I do feel some comfort in the AA’s who are happy. And I hope that the whining stops. Blacks no longer have excuses now, but believe me they will. In fact it already rearing its head as pointed out by Laura Ingram. You are already beginning to see Black academics penning dissertations based on narratives of the fight goes on, BO forgot us etc.

    AA’s would be nothing without their collective identity of suffering and martydom. They are inescapably bound by the trauma of slavery. They will not relinquish their stronghold on this security blanket. Otherwise they would not have excuses for their poor performances economically and educationally. Seemingly, Obama’s win should negate all of this but i bet you a copy of Roots that it does not. expect AA’s to write him off as a disappointment once his presidency is done. AA’s do little to remember successful members, unless they incorporate the narrative of suffering into their persona. Condelleeza Rice, Clarence Thomas, are not just a right wing thing. They are ostracized for their failure to pander to the idea that Blacks are kept down by “the man”. After the Holocaust, Jews centered an identity around triumph and progress. AA’s will never embrace this fully.

    AA’s always have one leader that symbolizes hope. First MLK now this. I hope that MLK’ memory is not diminished by this because he has truly fought for AA’s more than BO ever will.

  42. I’d be more inclined to celebrate if Obama hadn’t “won” the nomination by illegitimate means, pushing aside another historic candidacy of a truly qualified woman. Maybe in 50 years we can have another historical moment with a female candidate. Too bad I’ll be dead by then.

    So no – I’m not breaking out the champagne. It’s nice that the AA’s and latte libs are happy, but it’s their party, not mine (and I mean “party” in both senses of the word).

  43. btw, I didn’t mean by my last post that the fact that America now has a “black” president isn’t a good thing — just that saying “race is not a factor anymore” goes too far, because now I think A LOT of people are going to use that line of reasoning to excuse racial inequality were it does exist. That is not a good road to go down as far as I am concerned.

  44. First thing my 4-year old son said looking at the TV this morning:

    “Mommy, there is the new president! And he’s a boy!”

    Me: “I know, honey, but one day it’ll be a girl.”

    We just keep on going, right? One of the two books that have been almost like reference manuals for me this election season is a biography of Susan B. Anthony “Failure Is Impossible” (1984 is the other book). Black men received the right to vote many years before women. We just have to keep going.

    This is an important and joyous day for many people. Yeah, I wish that first black president was more deserving, but it’s still a milestone.

  45. I’ve just realized that I’m all out of grace here.

    I’m gonna stay away from the Confluence today because I will most certainly spoil a time of jubilation for some and I’d hate to do that.

    Congratulations, you’ve overcome.

  46. We were able to prove once and for all that race is not a factor anymore.

    Flipping channels last night, the ONLY thing the pundits were talking about was race. The most common word was “historic”. No one was pointing to anything Obama actually stands for or has accomplished. They were all pointing to his skin color.

    Race still a factor. It’s the only factor.

  47. Regency: It’s ok. The biggest glass ceiling isn’t broken yet. But I’ll betcha Hillary is happy today. Truly, sincerely happy.

  48. Nijma: I don’t watch the news and haven’t for months now. It’s too full of propaganda. But to me, having this barrier fall was significant and shouldn’t be overlooked.

  49. Sadly, RD, I would feel the same hollowness if Katherine Harris or Elizabeth Dole were to be elected President, Trust me, I’m 60 and grew up in georgia. I’ve seen the Civil Rights Era and the Woman’s Movement from a front row seat. I understand that you are celebrating a concept, I really do, but this concept built his house on labeling dissent as racism and I cannot celebrate that. I grieve for a part of us that has been co-opted.

  50. afrocity, on November 5th, 2008 at 8:00 am Said:

    “AA’s would be nothing without their collective identity of suffering and martydom. They are inescapably bound by the trauma of slavery. They will not relinquish their stronghold on this security blanket. Otherwise they would not have excuses for their poor performances economically and educationally.”
    _______________________________________________________

    Dear afro – dearest afro – I presently teach differential equations to a bunch of engineers, physicists, and math majors. most of whom are from heavily urbanized areas. In this class there are many young AA students. Most of them, including one young woman (who wants to be a car designer) are talented, funny, upbeat, hardworking and – IMO – our future. They are all thrilled for BO to win, as RD wrote. I am seeing a generation of young AA students who are confident of themselves, secure in their heritage, proud of their color, who are as smart, funny and creative as any students I have ever seen. I’m glad for them, and I’m proud to be helping them to a brighter future. As much as I did not want BO, for the many reasons laid out on this site, I am very pleased for these talented kids.

    My experience might not be typical , but … I’m guessing it is, and that throughout the colleges and schools of this country, this story is being repeated daily.

  51. I know this an historic moment. But by being a corrupt empty suit That One robbed me of the pride I should be feeling as a Black woman.

    For me the issue was always one of Obama’s lack of qualifications for the job. I have had that argument repeatedly over the past several months with other Blacks. They always counter with something to the effect that George W. Bush wasn’t qualified either. Which makes my point: we’ve seen what eight years of an unqualified president can do, so we think that another unqualified replacement can fix what the first one has wrought. That makes no sense to me.

    Anyway life goes on. As a PUMA, I feel banished to the wilderness. I regret that so many of the people I argued with over the months will now feel vindicated. I think God fell asleep yesterday. By the way, RD, I don’t feel any freer today than I did yesterday. Truth is I never felt not free; maybe that’s just me

  52. Nell, on November 5th, 2008 at 7:54 am Said:

    Can anyone spare a hug??

    {{{{{Neil}}}}

  53. Sorry RD, I see your point and I’m glad you can find something to celebrate but I don’t and I won’t!

  54. soopermouse: You said it better than I could.

  55. afrocity, you maybe right about “AA’s would be nothing without their collective identity of suffering and martydom. They are inescapably bound by the trauma of slavery. They will not relinquish their stronghold on this security blanket.” but do you think that this mantra may slip a little? Fewer people of any race may buy into the “America just isn’t ready for a Black ________ (fill in the blank).

    I’m glad to see you this A.M. (and others). You definitely seem to be taking this in stride!

  56. chatblu: I think you are misunderstanding what I am trying to say. I don’t approve of anything Obama did this primary season. He shouldn’t be president. But this moment *is* important. Do not let your anger towards the man diminish this momentous occasion.

  57. I’m with the people who find it hard to be happy given the outrageous, blatant sexism that helped Obama get to the top.
    Months ago my twenty-something daughter told me she was convinced that this country would elect a black man long before we elect a woman. She was basing this on how she has seen women treated in her worlplace. Sadly she was right.
    The fact that the media was so sexist and that so many people – including the Democratic Party – just shrugged it off, really shocked me. Still does. While I am glad that we are willing to elect a black man, the fact that over half our population is treated like a joke is so disturbling that I cannot celebrate. And let’s not forget the prejudice against Americans who don’t live in cool places. The comments about Alaskans were disgusting.

    Bigotry is alive and well in America.

  58. urge to compute — with all due respect, I think it is a tad condescending to tell a black woman that you know more about black people then she does.

  59. riverdaughter, on November 5th, 2008 at 8:05 am Said:

    Regency: It’s ok. The biggest glass ceiling isn’t broken yet. But I’ll betcha Hillary is happy today. Truly, sincerely happy.

    *****************

    And relieved because now she can hold Obama’s feet to the fire along with John McCain!

  60. joanie: You are not the only one of us AA women to feel that way. We are in the same boat.

  61. While I agree with you that this is a historic moment that I do celebrate, how it came about it nothing to be celebrated. And while blacks may feel as though they have been finally freed, the rest of us may not be so fortunate.

    As always I appreciate your optimism and tireless hard work. But lots of things have happened on this long and tortuous road that don’t deserve any celebration at all.

    Though we may disagree on many things, please know that I have tremendous respect for you and appreciate everything that you do here. This blog has always been among my favorites. I may not comment a lot but I read it nearly every day.

    It was an honor meeting you. Thanks for your dedication, leadership and tenacity. A big cyber hug to you.

  62. No one has overcome. Obama is the worst of the worst r*cist there is. He won nothing but the crown of shame and deceit. To praise his “win” as an accomplishment is ridiculous. He is nothing but the sharpest of the dirtiest politician surrounded by thugs and creeps.

    If you are looking for a direct link from DK, congratulations you just earned it.

    CAROL HAKA 👿

  63. Yes, I see that students all around the country know now that they too can accomplish nothing and become President of the United States. Why aim high, when you can aim race?

    This is the kind of day I’m having. I’m perfectly glad for those that are happy. I am not happy. I wanted a qualified black person for President. This is what I got.

    Don’t serve me spoiled chocolate milk and when I complain, say, “But it’s chocolatey!” It’s milk all right and it’s sweet but I’m still gonna puke in half an hour.

  64. Carol: I don’t care about DK. Not interested if anyone links to me. I just refuse to be upset *today*.

  65. angienc, it’s my nature. I’m a teacher. I think, reflect, and tell people what I know, and encourage them to think too. I’m a pain in the ass, I know. As long as it’s only a “tad” I can live with it.

  66. I can’t say I’m happy, but starting next January Obama will be the only President we have.

    I can’t wish for him to fail without wishing for bad things to happen to our nation.

    I think he will fail, but I hope I’m wrong.

    I’m gonna go and try to sleep off the rest of my hangover

  67. RD: Sorry, I really am sorry. There’s no joy in this for me. You’re clearly a better woman than I at this point.

  68. Regency, my first out loud laugh of the day! Needed that. Thanks.

  69. I was always willing to vote for a person regardless of the color of their skin. But this doesn’t mean that race is no longer a factor. That is what the ruling class wants us to believe. But as the Black Agenda Report has been saying for two years, what this means is that African Americans are going to be told to stop demanding equality because they supposedly already have it now. The right will say that affirmative action is no longer needed. The rich will continue to get richer and the poor to get poorer, and the poor will be told it’s their own fault.

    I couldn’t have celebrated a McCain victory either. I don’t feel the pain I felt in 2004 when Kerry gave up without a fight. It took me weeks to get over that. I’m already over this. My pain and anger came last summer when Hillary and all who voted for her were stabbed in the back and the party threw us overboard.

    I don’t know what will happen next. I’m an eternal optimist, and I’m forever curious and interested in the world around me. I’m going to continue to follow politics, as I have since I was a little girl. I hope that Obama will find it possible to toss a few crumbs to those of us who aren’t Wall Street bankers. I’ll be intersted to see how the Republicans deal with him.

    The most fascinating thing for me about my reaction is that it’s all about waiting to see what happens and watching with interest. I am no longer part of it. I will never be able to consider myself a Democrat again. The Democratic Party has done very little for me in my 60+ years. They have disappointed me again and again. I’m certainly not going to be a Republican. So I guess what I’ll be is an interested observer.

    Even if Obama does what I expect–crack down on dissent, refuse to restore Habeas Corpus, encourage domestic spying and discourage free speech and press, I can’t do much about it without being able to join with others of like mind. I’ll hope I’ll still find people of like mind here at The Confluence. I hope I’ll still have a somewhat free internet where I can get real information that the media won’t talk about. That’s as far as I can go for now. I’ll just go forward one day at a time.

  70. myiq2xu, on November 5th, 2008 at 8:16 am Said:

    I think he will fail, but I hope I’m wrong.

    ********

    With you. Sleep well.

  71. urge — I was being nice when I said “tad”

  72. Regency: I think we all acknowledge that this man is not the greatest representative. I don’t like him. He’s set us back and we’ll have to work really hard to make up ground women have lost. But I do feel glad that the barrier is down.

  73. Now being up officially for 24 hours, I’m going to sleep. So keep the noise from the party down, please!

  74. I know spirits are down and people are still angry, but I have to agree with riverdaughter. She’s not asking you to celebrate with and for Obama. She’s asking you to acknowledge how people in the electorate feel, especially black folks. I posted something similar last night.

    If McCain/Palin had won, if it had been Hillary instead, I would have been happy for the millions of little girls who could look and see the glass ceiling shattered. It wasn’t us, but some others did see that glass ceiling broken. It will change the world for them, especially those children. That is a reason for congratulations, whether you got the outcome you wanted or not.

  75. I truly congratulate the millions of fellow citizens who are celebrating today. But they must understand what is ahead for them. They are not going to have the goodwill of all of their own party, and the Republicans are standing on the sidelines with knives drawn. The GOP performs best in opposition. The problems facing all of us are horrendous and any solutions will be very difficult. I think that the press will continue to try protect this administration which will lead to the further destruction of commercial media as an institution. Newspapers are walking corpses and the TV infotainment is very sick. As the economy worsens people will try to escape from “news”.

  76. RD — I heard this morning that Corzine is in the running for Sec Treas. Might explain his willingness to throw away your vote!

    I agree with RD on this one, it’s historic that we have a biracial Pres with a funny name. Now we need to hold his feet to the fire, and Congress’s too, as they have NO EXCUSES.

    UHC, Equal Pay bill, Green jobs, revitalized infrastructure (makes more jobs), social security shored up. Getting rid of the caucus system.

    We also get to work on ridding our society of the misogyny that runs rampant. So our biracial daughters and nieces with funny names have the same chance to be President as our biracial sons with funny names.

    Sorry to post and run, gotta get to work.

  77. up in the middle of the night worrying about the precedent that has been set–buying an election outright, the thuggery and hatred against women–no dissent allowed. blatant republican leanings celebrated by my own family members.

    normally my brother joe and i would be side by side all day holding hands. he didn’t even call me. i feel very alone. somewhere what used to be my friends–my community, actually– are celebrating, and here I am–still the outsider. one talking head said last night that he will lead like reagan. i am sick.

    feeling black, and I do not know what to think about what to tell my kids about the future of politics. i fought hard and represented what i think is the right principle–to be a liberal, to vote for the issues not the product. to see the humanity in the process, to NOT do whatever it takes–at the expense of so much—to “win”.

    this reminds me of the kind of “win” my rich abusive ex had after spending big bucks and winning court rulings that gave him more time with my vulnerable children. i feel battered. again.

    what i don’t understand is how in my own family alone –50% of us weren’t buying in. among my many demo contacts here in seattle, there were many that felt as i do–to the end.

    how did he win fairly? wouldn’t these same ratios play out at least to some extent elsewhere? wouldn’t he have taken a hit to have lost ANY democratic support?
    may need another few days to rework my mind and spirit. I feel battle worn and devastated.

  78. I can not think of a man less worthy than Barack Obama to make history. Which doesn’t mean that as a symbol this is not an important day.

    The fact remains, that our country is a different country today, and it’s not all for the best. The number of people who can afford to run for President has been greatly diminished. The tactics they can employ have been expanded. And the media has asserted itself as the most powerful mind-altering force there is.

    That glass ceiling Hillary said was cracked 18 million times was replaced today with a new shiny one. And yes, I’m sure she’s truly, sincerely happy.

  79. Good morning, friends. After taking some cough syrup with codeine just to get myself into beautiful sleep oblivion, I am glad to see everyone back up on the blog today. We’re still here, we’re still alive, and it’s time to rejuvenate and plan for what’s next.

    I’m going to have to steel myself from the high-fiving and “isn’t it great?!” commentary all day at work. But I have my PUMA bracelet on, and I haven’t changed my convictions.

    This isn’t the end.

  80. Foregoing the skin deep atonements of wow, we elected a man of color to the WH. If that is what your celebrating; take off the rose colored glasses.

    What about the character, honor and integrity you spoke of yesterday? This man has NONE of those qualities.
    What about accomplishments? He’s done nothing for anyone but himself…NONE!

    We are the laughing stock of Europe, they understand who and what Obama is..He isn’t even a US Citizen for God sakes! If you think Obama is interested in women’s issues or we can make a difference now you are sadly mistaken.

    Obama is more than a Socialist, he is intending on Fascism for this country. Haven’t you ever taken a moment to examine who is standing behind Obama? Obama is a puppet for God sakes..a puppet for pain and austerity for the American people.

    I am sad that you have taken and apathetic approach to the importance of doing the best we can to elect the better of two evils. At least with McCain we stood another chance in 4 yrs.. now we don’t– if we even survive another 8 yr it will be a miraculous happening…that is, if there is ever another election.

    The women of the World think with their eyes wide open- Why are some women stymied by the fear of what they will discover?

    PUMAS UNLEASHED

  81. Oh? I also first thought this was a satirical piece. Gracious of you, RD, but not buying it. Not a ‘post-racial’ candidacy at all, since race has been EVERYTHING in this election, and competency, integrity, honesty, decency were not.

    And not least of all, how do we really know whether or not the VOTES of the people were, in fact, counted correctly and honestly to get this guy the position? His past history of ‘political successes’ have been deeply tainted with dishonesty and corruption, and so what is the evidence to show that this one wasn’t stolen, either?

    And once again, blacks get the ‘prize’ and privilege before women do.

  82. Regency,

    It will not help. I have a masters degree. There are countless #’s of AA’s that are more successful than BO.

    My dad does drugs regency and lives with a crack whore.
    This victory will be short lived. He told me to f-off because I am uppity b/c I am education.

    The argument will be constructed like this:

    I cannot be president because I am not half-white, did not attend IVY LEAGUE schools.

    And the continuing saga of AA’s goes in. Obama is more status quo than Sarah Palin will ever be. On Wednesday they were saying on MSM that this was the first time a Yalie was not on the ballot. John McCain-Palin are not status quo.

  83. Speaking of Hillary – what ever happened with that suit that we read about a few days ago. She and someone else was suing O, DNC etc.

  84. mawminc,

    so right. we are NOT free. we live in some country that i no longer recognize.

    i don’t -yet- see the end in this.

  85. I wish Obama the same that I wished for Bush in 2000 that he will have a successful presidency.

  86. Okay twirling my finger hurray. But women are still shackled.

  87. Thanks RD –

    But as a person of color – I have ZERO “pride” right now.

    They gamed the early voting.

    Republicans got beat in their own game.

  88. He used misogyny to do it.

  89. bb — agree 100% Especially this:

    But this doesn’t mean that race is no longer a factor. That is what the ruling class wants us to believe. But as the Black Agenda Report has been saying for two years, what this means is that African Americans are going to be told to stop demanding equality because they supposedly already have it now. The right will say that affirmative action is no longer needed. The rich will continue to get richer and the poor to get poorer, and the poor will be told it’s their own fault.

    and

    The most fascinating thing for me about my reaction is that it’s all about waiting to see what happens and watching with interest. I am no longer part of it.

    Sit back and watch as this “teachable lesson” turns into a Frankenstein monster.

    and now, for real, I’m going to sleep.

  90. I also blame Obama and his “Gospel tour” with anti-gay preachers for Prop 8s passage in CA. Where were the Democrats like BIll and Hillary to lobby for its defeat? I never heard anything from them about it.

    LGBT are the permanent under the bus group.

  91. joaniebone: Exactly. Spot on. This is why I can feel no excitement in the ovcercoming of the racial barrier, It had much to do with the color of his skin and little to do with the content of his character, which keaves us exactly where we were.

  92. I’m sorry. It’s difficult to celebrate this milestone, because I don’t see a “Brotha” when I look at him. I see an elitist Kenyan. I don’t see an African AMERICAN.

    Meaning, I don’t see a man that has “overcome” anything NEAR what AA’s have endured for so long. He’s always had the Silver Spoon Syndrome.

    To me, BO *tarnished* what should be a monumental day in history.

    I think if Pelosi ran and won the White House, I would climb under a table before celebrating a busted ceiling. Substance over color/gender. Only IMO.

    The only thing that DID move me, was seeing Jesse Jackson tear up. At first, I almost cringed seeing that (b/c I was so T’d awf last night) but in retrospect, I can’t imagine what pride he felt. I wish someone more like him would’ve been the first AA Prez. I may disagree with JJ on a few things, but you have to give it to him…. he’s the Real Thing.

  93. bostonboomer, joaniebone: You expressed pretty much the way I feel. I am afraid that no one will be able to hold his feet to the fire. We’ll see soon enough, I guess.

    Regency: I always appreciate your comments. Keep ’em coming!

  94. Thanks RD for the post. I am an AA woman & I suppose I should be celebrating Obama’a win. Yes it is historic but I can’t help but feel that women got screw*d again. Will Hillary run again in 8 years, she will be 68 years old. The media totally stewed Palin, can she come back and be taken seriously or will people always equate to Tina Fey. When will women breakthrough and I know we came a long way but this is not enough!

  95. soopermouse, on November 5th, 2008 at 7:58 am Said:

    thank you, sooper.

  96. riverdaughter
    I am really disappointed. I could hardly beleive you wrote that. I think if you say Obama is the best Blacks can do is as racist a comment as any. To imlpy that a healthy election will not achieve the desirable effect of electing a qualified black candidate, so we to celebrate the outcome no matter how it came is just as wrong as when the party and the msm did when they pushed him down our throats. I think electing Obama is worst thing to happen. It is victory of all evils in a political system. I failed to see any good will come out of it.

  97. I spit on all “Democratic” politicians and that includes Clinton.

  98. Thanks, Angie. I’m glad someone read my comment. I put a lot of thought into it. I’m trying my best to see what is happening straight on. My main feeling is one of noninvolvement. That’s not a new feeling for me. I’ve been an outsider all my life. I’m more interested in the truth than anything else.

  99. Afrocity, I totally agree with your comment that “Obama is more status quo than Sarah Palin will ever be.”

  100. “It is as important as Neil Armstrong’s walk on the moon”

    With all due respect, Riverdaughter! This “win”, this “historic moment”, can only be compared to the walk on the moon if you believe that walk was staged in a desert and sold for real.

    Cuz that’s what we got. One big fat fraudulent coup! I can’t say congrats to that. I can only say that I’ve joined those wallowing in hope: I HOPE Biden was WRONG!!

    I do not believe anything good can come from a castle built on corruption and deceit. We, the people, are still being sold: black, white and everything in between. We have been lied to, cheated and robbed and we lapped it up. We are chained by our media but as long as we’re tossed candy we’re happy, aren’t we?

    To this day I do not understand why the Clintons went so out of their way to help this empty suit and MOST ESPECIALLY the mob of thugs called the “Obama campaign”. I cringe to think of Obama’s “friends” trouncing through/owning the Whitehouse!

  101. Quinn4: I don’t always agree with Jesse Jackson, but he has walked the walk over the years,. Yet, he was denied the right to speak at the convention, but Michelle’s brother the basketball coach was front and center.

  102. Mawm: That Prop 8 stuff really ticks me off. What a perfect illustration of hypocrisy.

  103. – mawminc

    I spit on all “Democratic” politicians and that includes Clinton.

    Gasp, blasphemy! Jk

  104. Riverdaughter,

    I understand your position. Trust me, I do. But I can’t help but feel that his statement:

    “We were able to prove once and for all that race is not a factor anymore.”

    is patently false, given that Black America resoundingly voted for Obama based on race, despite ALL of the warning signs. Race is definitely a factor in this, maybe not for the non-Black Americans who voted for him.

    Obama’s soon-to-be-presidency will not erase or eradicate the racial tensions in this country; if anything, I think they’ve exacerbated them. Those Black Panther tools in Pennsylvania is just one example.

    Believe me, as a brown American in this country I sure wish that race is not a factor or issue in politics, but it simply is. Obama didn’t erase the lines that have been drawn since the first slave ship docked on our shores; though it seemed to have faded since the Civil Rights Era, Obama’s candidacy–with all of the truly FALSE accusations of racism thrown at us–has only served to re-darken that line.

    I’m not leaving and I enjoy what you write, but this post just reminded me of all of those idiotic comparisons that Obamatrons tried to do by putting Obama’s face next to MLK’s, and goes against that awesome video that African Americans for John McCain made (the one about character…I forget if it was posted here, but it was posted at Sugar’s blog, I believe). Obama is not MLK. The majority of people voted not for the content of his character (though if they believe that they did, then they ignored ALL of what we PUMAs have written about him and discovered about him, the stuff that the MSM would not report and helped shield Obama from).

  105. Afrocity @ 8:00: as a Black woman I am deeply offended by much of your comment. AA’s whining? making excuses for failure? How dare you? The truth of the matter is that most Blacks in this country are self-sufficient and take care of their own. If we didn’t , the country couldn’t support all of us. Since Brown v. Board of Education, Blacks have made more progress in education as evidenced by the increase in college graduation than most other ethnic groups in this country. . And, oh by the way, it took Supreme Court rulings and National Guard troops to get us into certain schools. So don’t get it twisted

    There are still many issues of social justice that have to be addressed in America. One of the things that troubles me about the Whites that voted for BHO is that they seem to think those issues HAVE NOW BEEN addressed with his election. Blacks that voted for BHO thinks THEY WILL NOW. Both are wrong. That’s why those who voted for him will all wind up disappointed; both the Blacks and the Whites.

    Please spare me the thing about Jews after the Holocause. Jews got more help after the Holocaust than Blacks ever got after slavery. They got a whole country out of it; even if it meant throwing the people already in that country out. So spare me your RACIST CRAP. Yes, I said RACIST!!! and I use the word advisedly.

  106. The racism meme is ended, finally, and the meme of Bush ruined the country is done too. The Obama Administration will have about a month’s worth of traction from Bush, after all, he screwed it all up, but then it will be delivery time. So when I get a check from Exon sharing the wealth, I will know I voted for the wrong person. I sincerely wish Obama luck in dealing with Iran, Hizbuallah and Al Qeada but I will keep on working, paying my taxes and obeying the Laws of our land. I do think he will be able to persuade corporate America to bring back all the manufacturing jobs from overseas, his power of rhetoric is obviously powerful – they will listen.

  107. {{{NELL}}}}

  108. LOL, that’s great, beethovenqueen (“With all due respect, Riverdaughter! This “win”, this “historic moment”, can only be compared to the walk on the moon if you believe that walk was staged in a desert and sold for real.”). Perfect analogy.

  109. SM77,
    A person like BO was not what I had in mind as first AA at all.

    America will never get it right. They are doomed to repeat history. American elects stupid leader. Then in a knee jerk reaction, punishes the party for the previous leaders faults. They did it to Ford, They did it to Gore, They are doing it to McCain. The best two candidates in the last 3 elections are Mccain and Gore. History predicts that Obama will suck. He will either follow the Carter model, or the Bush model. Character wise, he is more like Bush. Carter actually cared about people and wanted to help. But BO shares same naive foreign policy views as Carter.

    BO craves the spotlight. BO wants to be adored by all. This will be his waterloo.

    I am willing to bet you my last Starburst Fruit Chew, that BO has shit his pants last night. After Jan 20th. No more speeches from Greek Columns, No more blaming the other guy. STFU and get to work Mr. Celebrity

  110. I’m not celebrating but I take consolation in the fact that my very young grandchildren (who are mixed race) will think it is normal to have a President who is black.

    I am also gald that this election has allowed me the freedom to reevaluate my political perspectives entirely. I am now an independent leaning toward many conservative positions. Thsi is because I have

    I hope they will also think that IT IS NOT OKAY TO TREAT WOMEN WHO RUN FOR OFFICE LIKE CRAP!

    I fell better now!

  111. WHAT I HATE:

    Prop 2 & Prop 8 in CA and FL PASSED.

    How are the new and shiny Democrats supposed to explain THAT?????

  112. It’s historic all right. Welcome to the beginning of the end of liberalism. There is no longer a party different from the Republican Party. All these people calling Obama a socialist and ultraliberal have it all wrong. What FDR sewed together is now broken apart.

    I understand that black people are happy and I don’t blame them. I was happy yesterday to vote for a woman. But I also know that we haven’t begun to see the heights of Narcissistic Personality Disorder that we will when he is president.

  113. I admire and respect you Riverdaughter. And I will always be willing to listen to what you have to say. I understand that you want to celebrate.

    I hope you are going to keep The Confluence going. I think someone is going to have to hold this new President’s feet to the fire. I hope at some point soon, you’ll let us know if we are going to go on together. I hope this blog will be a place where we can discuss what is happening and how we might find a way to make our voices heard.

    One thing I’m quite sure of is that I will not live to see a woman President of the United States. That actually makes me very sad. But I never did expect to live to see that, so now I’ll try to go back to accepting reality.

  114. goesh, when I get a check fom Exxon sharing the wealth, I will eat my words, chase them down with a healthy snort of koolade and become a True Believer. Unril then……………….

  115. Hey, I had to go to bed last night at 10 b/c I couldn’t handle the waiting. What actually happened? Did he win OH, PA, and FL? Were the pop. and electoral vote totals at all close?

  116. This is nothing like the pain I felt in 2000 when the Constitution was shredded. Of course, if that hadn’t happened, neither would this.

  117. OK so now we have BO.

    I want to see how he performs before I do any celebrating. Now let us see how he puts those pretty words into action .

    This country has the same problems today to solve as it did yesterday. I also will not forget that he rode into office by running over Hillary with track shoes.

    He owes her BIG TIME. .

  118. SM,

    I can explain it. Barack Obama is a homophobe. He made it clear that he didn’t support gay marriage and he supported people in CA who were blatant homophobes. The same people who voted for Obama voted for those propositions. That is to be expected. Obama showed himself to be a homophobe early in the primaries.

  119. afrocity –

    I wouldn’t dare take your last fruit chew, but I think Obama actually believes the hype about himself now — that he is the king, that he can do anything without consequence. He’s as dangerous as Bush in that regard because he has a DNC, MSM, corporate America powerhouse machine backing him up.

  120. Yes! lets all celebrate that the first AA man to become president did it through coruption, voter intimidation, bullying, playing the race card against his opponent because he couldn’t run on his own merits. How does one really celebrate this moment? What this proves is that coruption pays off, big media decides who is elected and isn’t, the Democratic party will no longer feel the need to follow democracy. The Democratic leaders are now entitled to choose which canddidate to represent the Dem party. How do we celebrate a man who cheated his way to the presidency?

  121. Prop 8 in CA and the prop in FL passed because of Obama and his Family Faith and Value Tour. Let’s not forget that. He is clandestinely very anti-gay.

    I agree with bostonboomer. We won’t see a female president in the next 40 years. Misogyny won. We are in for a long punishment.

  122. I think we should also celebrate the peaceful transition of one government rule to another – I think Americans forget how unique this is as it rarely happens in most countries.

    That is why I was disappointed with all those pundits that kept on saying

    blood will flow if Obama was not elected.

    They are more of a threat to democracy than anything else – so I am glad they have been muzzled for now. I will celebrate that.

    As a Black person who completely disagrees with Omighty now he is the president and I will judge him on his record and wisdom in 4 years – I will have my citizenship and vote by then.

  123. Afrocity – Amen to that!

    I imagined the first AA president a son/daughter of the South, a Southern Democrat, a governor or something. To me, that would’ve been more “redeeming” for me.

    Obama has no historical ties to the South. His ancestors were not slaves on neither sides. So to hear that now AAs in America have been redeemed is BS.

    So the question remains – so when do I get my PONY?

  124. chimera,

    I see it the same way. Bush getting selected in 2000 was the beginning of the end. We are moving rapidly toward fascism in this country. We have elected a man who has the potential to be a despot. I don’t care what color his skin is. I don’t want to live in a dictatorship. We don’t have any choice except to give him a chance and hope for the best. I hope we can keep what freedom we have left, but without Habeas Corpus, we are pretty much at the mercy of our government. We aren’t a free people. We are in a position where we have to take what we can get.

  125. Heidi Li is holding Obama’s feet to the fire in her most recent post.

  126. sm77 – yes, I want a pony too!

  127. Chi4Hillary,

    I agree totally. I too have reevaluated my positions. I will not continue with PUMA because I am no longer liberal. I was a DEM because I felt that it was expected of me as an AA and my parents did it. I have not liked any DEM except the Clinton’s. Honestly, I have been a closet McCain fan or McCainiac for 12 years now. I always said if I ever voted GOP he would be the one.

    I think I am center-right. I am now registering with the GOP

  128. the Republicans are standing on the sidelines with knives drawn.

    Why do i like this picture?

    Sorry RD, I want to, but I can’t climb onboard with you. Not happy. Not for this.

  129. Thank you, Riverdaughter.

    I’m trying to look on the bright side of an Obama victory: Roe v. Wade is safe, we *might* get some kind of universal health care, public schools are likely to get more attention, Europe will like us again for about six months.

    And yet, I can’t help but feel completely devastated, especially since Prop 8 passed.

    But I thank you for finding the silver lining, which is, as you correctly point out, “we overcame the color of the skin barrier.”

    It’s a lot to process all at once.

  130. This nation was not only built on the backs of slaves, but also built on the rivers of Native American Blood, enslavement and banishment to concentration camp like areas. Native Americans still do not have full rights in this country or Canada. It was built on the backs of suffering women who were mere chattel until they finally were recognized as human beings decades after males of all colors – and are still considered sub-human here. It was built on the backs of the coolies, the latinos who were often considered sub-human, the immiigrants who were often treated no better than slaves, the tens of millions of eastern europeans who were forced out of their homelands or sent into slavery into the Gulag or murdered -separated from their families, and who lost their freedom and human rights, because FDR decided that appeasing Stalin would allow the US to sleep peacefully, and on the backs of japanese/italian/german americans who were sent to concentration camps as enemies of the state during WWII.

    In this moment let us not forget all of those of every color, ethnic group, sex, and sexual orientation who suffered while building this nation.

  131. afrocity, I hold out the hope that you will be with us lovers of democracy in some fashion. But if you’re really going to register as a Republican, I am forced to increase my respect for the Republican Party (somewhat).

  132. I agree with bluemorning. The ends doesn’t justify the means. As I said to my husband this morning: Hate wins. The way women — Hillary Clinton, Sarah Palin and their female supporters — were demonized reminds me too much of the Willie Horton tactic.

    And I disagree with urgetocompute. Why would a black female student feel she can accomplish “anything” because of Obama? He just ran a campaign that used sexism and misogyny as political weapons. Women still make, what, 70 cents to their male colleagues’ dollar. Something tells me that isn’t going to change any time soon.

    I remember when I was a little girl being told that I could never be President. Why? Not because of ability but because I was the wrong sex. I’m with Regency in that I’m glad for those who are happy. But I’m not happy for the way this victory was achieved and how readily so-called progressive voters embraced the hate that was wielded. And I’m worried that we will see a giant step backwards for womankind.

    About 20 years ago my husband and I were friends with another couple. The man was the only conservative among us. He and I would argue about women’s issues and sexism all the time. During one heated discussion I told him that a black man would be President long before a woman of any color. He laughed at me and said no way. I said, just wait and see. I’ve contemplated dropping him an I-told-you-so note. And after this election, I don’t believe that I’ll see a woman in the oval office in my lifetime.

    Men are still in charge. And they will continue to stay in charge. Really, folks, what’s changed?

  133. My first comment on the internet today.
    Last night I went to bed early, no tv, not knowing what theresult would be.
    Then I dreamt that I was at a meeting where Palin was saying goodbye. I asked her if she wanted to come visit (and maybe go shopping together) and she said sure, and I was excited about it. Then I went and met John McCain and gave him a hug, feeling so sad (in my dream knowing he had lost) and somehow he was the one giving me strength and comfort.
    When I woke up the news was all about Obama’s historic win, and I watched it in sadness and apprehension and a feeling of isolation. I am happy to see others happy, I hope that their dreams come true, I hope that I will be proved wrong.
    And still, with the best intentions in their hearts, I fear that America knows not what it has wrought.

  134. sm77,

    I cant give you a pony. But I can give you a donkey that has turned into a jackass (DNC)

  135. I think we can expect insufferable gloating from Obots, which will be hard to take. Don’t be surprised if Obama flags start appearing and little patches with his symbol show up. I am getting ready to make several pink triangle patches for when they are required. Don’t want to get caught up short.

  136. Afrocity: I’m still a raging Liberal. I’ll always be a raging liberal.

    But I’m not a brand new shiny Democrat.

  137. afrocity – I come from a country that Carter’s foreign policy really messed us up – which the result was the death of 300,000 and millions being imprisoned as America completely abandoned us. Carter’s good work started after he left the office – which is fine with me. Unlike most Americans I have lived through the consequence of what an American Foreign policy can do to a nation hence Bush.

    Now I could have used Carter though to stay away from Democrats but I have to show both sides that they can’t buy me – I will register as an Independent.

  138. Yes, it is a moment in history. A BIG moment.
    And we have every reason to celebrate. I am celebrating that GWB will no longer be pResident of the nation. That’s what I’m celebrating. (Oh, and also that something like the color of a person’s skin blah, blah, blah…)

    What I heard this morning on a Chicago news broadcast was this: “This is a FIRST !! And this is the LAST first I need to live to see!”

    So I guess that takes care of the possibility of any woman becoming president ! Because this was the “last first”. I nearly slammed my hand onto the kitchen counter when I heard that.

    Have a nice day.

  139. The only thing I think we, as a country, have proven is that this government is as corrupt as any corrupt government in the world. We’ve proven that with enough illegal funds, voter fraud, and media acquiescence, anyone can buy the presidency. So, I guess that’s what we’ve overcome? That a corrupt bi-racial man can now attain the position formerly held by corrupt white men, and can game the system better than any of them?

    Yep, really something to celebrate.

  140. gxm17,

    And the AA candidate was not nearly as qualified as either candidate.

    I hate to say this but I thought AA’s were on the bottom of the totem pole. I was wrong it is women. And women helped him do it.

  141. Oh, and what Grail Guardian said a while ago…

    “I’d rather be proven wrong about Obama than be proven right”

    thanks, GG

  142. gxm,

    I know for sure I’ll never see a woman as POTUS. I’m going to be 61 in December. I shouldn’t have let myself get my hopes up, but I’ll get over it. I don’t think I’ll live to see the 30% solution get implemented either. C’est la vie.

    I just hope I have social security when the time comes. Otherwise I’ll have to hope for voluntary euthanasia.

  143. gxm17, on November 5th, 2008 at 8:46 am Said:

    “And I disagree with urgetocompute. Why would a black female student feel she can accomplish “anything” because of Obama? ”
    _________________________________________________

    gxm17: I never said, wrote, or implied that a black female student would feel she can accomplish “anything” because of Obama.
    What I wrote was that talented, funny creative AA kids are thrilled at his win. I was responding to afrocity’s assertion that “AA’s would be nothing without their collective identity of suffering and martydom. They are inescapably bound by the trauma of slavery. They will not relinquish their stronghold on this security blanket.”
    My point is that I am not seeing that in the kids I teach. Each of us tells about the part of the elephant we touch. This is my experience. angie can tell me that afrocity knows better than me. However not even angie can deny my daily experience. That’s how I’m seeing it. myiq urges us to be honest. Question my interpretation, but do not deny my experience. or misrepresent it, please.

  144. Afrocity, I saw a post somewhere yesterday that the new symbols on the right are the Moose and on the left the Puma.
    The elephant got p8wned by Bush and the donkey got p8wned by Obama.
    I still consider myself a Puma and I will eat a donkey any day.
    And I’m counting on the Moose to kick the elephant to the curb.
    So whether you stay a puma or turn moose, I still count you as my sister!

  145. RD, thanks for your post. I understand what you are saying, and I did have a little of the same reaction.

    But only a little. For me, it is and will always be about how we got here. Now there will never be reform of the DNC, the press, the general election.

    And the careers of two women were destroyed in this process.

  146. gxm17, at 8:46 am Said:

    Really, folks, what’s changed?

    *********
    Our resolve? I feel a bit stronger for having thrown my lot in with PUMAs. Remember Margaret Mead: “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”

  147. Afrocity,

    Women have always been on the bottom. Always. It’s not going to change. The only status we have comes from what men are willing to cede to us. The next four years we’ll be reminded of that over and over again.

  148. There is nothing to celebrate. I can’t believe I am reading this post here. We have a guy who committed major election fraud to get elected not to mention put women rights back to the begging of last century and you are celebrating this. So now we should celebrate if someone get into office through fraud just because he is not exactly whit. Give me a break.

  149. Chimera,

    The bulk of it came last night. Angie, Myself, Myiq, Isis and others stayed up and staved it off.
    The Obots are drunk from spiked Kool-Aid. Expect them to wake up with a hang up and do a walk of shame from Kool Aid Mountain back to the loser reality that is their life.

    Imagine the fine scene in The Graduate. when Dustin Hoffman and the bride are just sitting on the back of the bus. With a “what the f$ck did we just do” look on their faces.

    Echos the sound of silence.

  150. Riverdaughter, I am feeling like someone slipped kool-aid in your coffee this morning. Not about race? Broke the color barrier? Is this the message that you want to send? That it is okay to lie, cheat and steal an election because people got past the fact that the man is black? The ends justifies the means? The MSM can hide and distort the facts, but we have proven that America is not a racist country? We have proven that Americans can be duped into voting for a man that has no history of achieving much of anything.
    A man that was brought in through the corrupt Chicago political system. A man that has surrounded himself with terrorists, America hating Racists and anti-Semites. A man that has refused to let his birth certificate, medical records and University records be released. A man, with deliberate calculation, has gone after fraudelent donations. I do not believe that we should celebrate this moment in history. I believe we should mourn the death of true Democracy as we have known it all our lives. This is a very sad day.

  151. urgetocompute, sorry I must have misunderstood you. I didn’t realize that you only had male AA students.

  152. revgrl and downticket–You’ve expressed my feelings perfectly. There’s an old saw about “two wrongs don’t make a right”, and that’s why I can’t celebrate, anymore than I could celebrate Condoleeza Rice or Colin Powell becoming Sec. of State. Sorry, RD, but Obama’s entire campaign was a whisper in the ear that “I’m not like those other blacks.” The man who fought for campaign finance reform lost to the man who refused to limit his campaign spending. I see no hope in these election results, only a giant step backwards. The media have once again selected our candidate, so how free are any of us?

  153. votermom, on November 5th, 2008 at 8:47 am Said:

    What a beautiful comment. I went to bed without knowing the final results, too, but I had a bad dream about it. Wish I had had yours!

  154. revgrl and downticket–You’ve expressed my feelings perfectly. There’s an old saw about “two wrongs don’t make a right”, and that’s why I can’t celebrate, anymore than I could celebrate Condoleeza Rice or Colin Powell becoming Sec. of State. Sorry, RD, but Obama’s entire campaign was a whisper in the ear that “I’m not like those other blacks.” The man who fought for campaign finance reform lost to the man who refused to limit his campaign spending. I see no hope in these election results, only a giant step backwards. The media have once again selected our candidate, so how free are any of us?

  155. gxm17,

    sorry but I have to ask are you an AA?

  156. Chicago is a beautiful city and all the negatives that were written about it on blogs this election were disheartening to me.

    I cannot celebrate this victory of Obama’s anymore than I can celebrate the victory of GWB in 2000 and 2004.

    This event was achieved, as were the other two, through cheating other more worthy candidates.

    And who knows that the singing that Rezko is doing won’t reach into the White House.

  157. The Presidency of the United States is not a “moment.”

    My wife and I visited Monticello this summer and walked down the shaded path to Thomas Jefferson’s tomb. He wrote his own epitaph. It reads simply:

    HERE WAS BURIED
    THOMAS JEFFERSON
    AUTHOR OF THE
    DECLARATION
    OF AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE
    OF THE
    STATUTE OF VIRGINIA
    FOR
    RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
    AND FATHER OF THE
    UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA
    BORN APRIL 2, 1743 O.S.
    DIED JULY 4. 1826

    No mention of his “moment” as President of the United States.

    Is The Audacity of Hope really to stand next to the Gettysburg Address as a monument of American philosophy?

    In the Reverend Dr. King’s speech and in the history of our country the hard work comes first. We are exhorted to “…judge a man by the content of his character not the color of his skin” BEFORE we celebrate and declare ourselves “Free at last!”

  158. Oooohhhhhhhhhh! Here’s a thought! I can celebrate the equlity of corruption. Now, I’ll drink to that. Hats and horns for everyone,

  159. Why is my comment in moderation?

  160. THE HIGHLIGHT OF MY MORNING:

    My PUMA cub is still sick – she asked who won this AM and I tell her Obama did, and she was mad. She says to me:

    “Palin didn’t win? That’s it, I’m running for President when I grow up!”

  161. Regency, on November 5th, 2008 at 7:56 am Said:
    I think plenty of people voted for him to prove that they weren’t r*cist–just that they were horribly misguided (I refuse to say stupid).

    I agree. I have many of those people in my family.
    That said, I’d rather have people like that in my family than people who would vote against him because they were r*cist.

  162. sm77, I hope I get a chance to vote for your cub!!!!

  163. Wow. that was a great phrase chatblue-“I can celebrate the equality of corruption.” I empathize with your sentiments.

  164. Battlecat,

    I don’t agree that Roe vs. Wade is safe with Obama. Oh no, I don’t agree with that at all. But I’m an old, postmenopausal woman, and I don’t have to worry about pregnancy anymore. If any young woman I love runs into that kind of trouble, I’ll try to help. But I don’t feel that reproductive rights are safe under Obama. No, not at all.

    No right are safe now. We need to be eternally vigilant under Obama, because he is a megalomanic who is capable of anything. And he has already shown that he will do anything, say anything to get power. No, I do not feel safe at all. I feel much less safe than I did under Bush.

  165. afrocity – by the way the GOP really needs to work hard from this point on to recruit AA. I am actually tired of arguing and debating with my relatives who only say Democrats are the only ones who they will vote for. Sadly there is no healthy debate going on in our communities. I am considered like the Uncle Tom – amazingly that does not shut me up – I actually get under the skin of a lot of people while smiling at the same time – I believe I also win my debates. Anyway I am rumbling …

  166. gxm17, on November 5th, 2008 at 8:55 am Said:

    urgetocompute, sorry I must have misunderstood you. I didn’t realize that you only had male AA students.
    ____________________________________________________-
    No, I do not. And one of them is an AA female engineering student. But she is not relying on BO to save her. she’s not relying on anyone to save her – she’s just happy that he is President-elect. Once again, my point is that I am not seeing simply the bitterness of which Afrocity writes. I am seeing, in microcosm, a generation of talented, funny, creative AA kids who are not, on the surface at least, bound by the hatred and crimes of the past.

  167. As eloquent as this post is, I so very much disagree. HOW a person wins is just as important if not more than winning itself. Obama never reigned in his proxies with their race baiting, overtly, implicitly, or tacitly, nor disapproved of his “followers” in their accusations. Obama has set back race relations.

    The winning of the WH by an AA is indeed historic, but what does it matter in the greater scope of race relations when so many other facets have been damaged? It is a hollow “victory”.

    Obama’s “win” is a colossal failure on the part of the American people. When an AA can win the WH running as a wo/man and nothing more, America will have taken a step forward.

  168. I’m happy for the AA who think it’s a step forward. But if a baseballl team wins by cheating, even though their fans celebrate the victory, it’s a false win and false celebration.

  169. urgetocompute put a plug in earlier for myiq2xu’s previous post. It’s worth a read!

  170. AAO,

    I hated Condi Rice, Colin, and Clarence for years until I woke up maybe 3 years ago and realized that they should be celebrated for their success regardless of their break from traditional political views of AA’s.

    I was called a sell out since I was an embryo.

  171. I can’t celebrate because Obama’a being AA only assisted in getting him elected. His total whiteness put him over the edge and placed him into the White House. He has no clue as to the things AA’s go through on a daily basis, or for that matter the things poor white americans go through on a daily basis. He is an elitist. He doesn’t understand me, or afrocity or SM or Elderj. Hell, Joe Biden understands us better than Barack Obama. Joe Biden has seen an unemployed parent. I want a President that understands me and my problems. I have no problem voting for a person of color, but give me a someone who understands adversity. Who knows what it is like to work his @ss off to get through college. Someone who has to bus dishes and wait tables, and eat Oodles of Noodles because they can’t afford Mickey D’s. I vote for Afrocity, SM, Regency or Elderj but not this guy. He has conned half the people who voted for him and I cannot rejoice at that.

  172. This man is not black. He is just a man that will now enslave America. The lessons he has taught our kids, don’t work hard, just lie, cheat and intimidate anybody that gets in your way. I am not proud to be an American today. This man is a disgrace!

  173. I’m signing off for a while now. I hope the mood lifts. I’m with myiq on honesty, objectivity, equality, fairness and logic. I’m with RD on her post this morning. Most of all, I wish PUMAS could defocus a bit from BO, and focus on how to get a woman – a good, honorable, principled woman – into the White House. BB – make sure you exercise, eat well and stay of good cheer. We want you around when it happens!

  174. Medusa,

    and also a false victory because he is unqualified and the MSM is saying nothing about his accomplishments because he does not have any, just that this is a historic moment.

  175. Great post RD. I totally agree with you and I have to say last night, the whole realization of what just happened got tome.

    No matter how you feel about BO personally, this was something special. That doesn’t mean we will spend the next 4 years celebrating or that we won’t express our grievances with the party and the process.

  176. Afrocity, that’s always the rub. It’s not just that men want to keep women out of power. It’s that so many women are willing accomplices.

    I’m not AA, but as a dark complected, ethnically ambiguous looking caucasian, I don’t consider myself “white” either.

  177. I disagree urge. This is therapy for many and we need this grieving process in order to heal. You have address your anger, and analyze what went wrong. BO is not the villain in this piece, it is the electorate.

  178. Fenelonspoke: Thank you. I have been trying very hard to find something good about this momentous occasion, and that’s the best that I can do on only 1 cup of coffee. From today forward,, any little boy (stress BOY) can grow up to steal an election.

  179. Really, Obama’s victory, when one considers his twenty years in Trinity, that Wright was his advisor, a sounding board (prior to seeing the bottom of the bus), only demonstrates that in America hatred is permissible when it is the “right” kind of hatred.

  180. afrocity – comprendo.

  181. I was very disappointed with the Confluence this morning. This article belongs on Huffington Post not here. I truly believe that this country has lost it ways and will be going through dark times that will be a lot darker then the one we are in right now. Maybe we will eventually emerge from this but I am not very hopeful. The way I see it is that we just elected Bush to a 3rd term. The competition in the world is fears beyond words and having elected an other inexperienced fool to the White House and very liberal congress to go with it could very possibly marginalize our standing in the world and with it our standard of living. It is truly sad to see that the American electorate is destroying this country one election at a time.

  182. bostonboomer

    you are absolutely one hundred percent correct about reproductive rights being in danger.
    It’s just a matter of time until Obama and the new party platform challenges choice.

    All I can do right now is cry for Hillary and Sarah.

    The historical opportunity to put a woman in the White House has been destroyed and women were instrumental in it’s destruction.

    Please don’t ask me to celebrate-my heart has been ripped out.

  183. afrocity, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:12 am Said:

    I disagree urge. This is therapy for many and we need this grieving process in order to heal.

    ***********

    Well said. I’ll take my “cheery” self elsewhere for a while. Conflucians are still my cup of tea!

  184. All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
    Thomas Jefferson

    Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
    Thomas Jefferson

    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
    Thomas Jefferson

    Information is the currency of democracy.
    Thomas Jefferson

    The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
    Thomas Jefferson

    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
    Thomas Jefferson

    A little chance to refocus on what of one of the Founders thought.

  185. sm77, thanks for sharing your highlight. It certainly made my day a little brighter too.

  186. John Smith,

    TOTALLY…But I would say that Obama is like a 1/2 decaf, 1/2 reg at starbucks….

    Obama is 1/2 Bush, 1/2 Carter…So Bush’s 3rd, Carter 2nd term. Both spell disaster.

  187. John Smith, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:13 am Said:

    “It is truly sad to see that the American electorate is destroying this country one election at a time.”

    Winston Churchill, on Nov. 11, 1947, Said:

    “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”

  188. These numbers are from CNN from approximately 12:57AM to 1:15AM.
    Just thought I would look at the actual difference in number of votes, especially in some of the states that have had reports of voter fraud and Acorn interference.Obama

    Maine
    Obama 303,796 58%
    McCain 207,401 40%
    76% reporting 96,395 difference

    Florida
    Obama 4,043,217 51%
    McCain 3,840,941 49%
    99% reporting 202,276

    Virginia
    Obama 1,727,454 52%
    McCain 1,606,452 48%
    98% reporting 121,002

    North Carolina
    Obama 2,101,986 50%
    McCain 2,089,826 49%
    100% reporting 12,160

    Pennsylvania
    Obama 3,127,015 55%
    McCain 2,528,738 44%
    99% reporting 598,277

    Ohio
    Obama 2,325,811 51%
    McCain 2,152,156 47%
    85% reporting 173,655

    Indiana
    Obama 1,352,356 50%
    McCain 1,329,370 49%
    99% reporting 22,986

    Iowa
    Obama 789,836 54%
    McCain 661,294 45%
    99% reporting 128,542

    Colorado
    Obama 961,548 53%
    McCain 825,892 46%
    68% reporting 135,656

    New Mexico
    Obama 418,806 57%
    McCain 307,393 42%
    94% reporting 111,413

    Nevada
    Obama 485,667 57%
    McCain 354,364 41%
    51% reporting
    131,303

    Take out ACORN and the fruad that undoubtedly took place, how would those numbers really have looked?I’ll be thinking about that for a while.

    I sure hope the military ballots are not blocked from being counted. That would add more insults to injury.

  189. In my experience when a business is failing, the owners will often let an AA or woman take over. So the Upper Crust let the AA in this take over….but because it is over ( the economy etc.) whoopee.

  190. Purple did I offend you? Sorry if I did.

  191. Like millions of Americans across this great land, I refuse to applaud the fraud!

  192. Afrocity:

    I agree with everything you’ve said this morning! After Obama and the DNC’s treatment of Hillary, I changed my voter registration back to independent. I don’t see the need to register as a Republican because there is no difference between the two parties … at least not right now.

  193. afrocity, no. Obviously, I’m still lurking – just going to curb my enthusiasm for a bit.

  194. I’m really going to miss Sarah Palin. I disagree (sharply) with some of her politics, but there was something genuine about her.

  195. Anyone who voted for or against President-elect Obama because of his skin color is r@cist. To vote for or against a woman or man simply because of gender is sexist.

    I’ll vote for Sarah Palin in four years (if she’ll serve) because she is honorable, experienced, and capable. The fact that she is a woman is a side note.

    I voted for McCain not because he is Irish American, but because he is All-American.

    I’ll ask anyone here who hires and fires at work, is it legal to consider ethnicity or gender of a job applicant?

  196. Paper Doll,

    LOL and you know it has happened and I have been the recipient of it. They did not care that I was accomplished and my accomplishments were always marginalized. This is why I hate Affirmative action. I left that job by the way and I feel better about it.

    I will soon be done with America.

    I am not needed here.

  197. I will keep repeating to myself that this is an historic moment to hopefully overcome my sadness. I just keep hearing those two questions we all heard at the beginning of the primary, “Is America ready for a black president?” and “Is America ready for a woman president?”

    America has answered those questions in no uncertain terms and I am so terribly sad. I truly believe that I will not live to see a woman elected president in this country. Judging by the hatred and vitriol that came forth in this election, I really don’t think we will see a woman president for at least forty years.

    But I’ll keep telling myself that I should be happy right now.

  198. F#@k!!!

    Al Franken lost by 571 votes and AK is sending a convicted crook back to the Senate.

  199. urgetocompute, BO used hate as a political weapon. Anyone who voted for him chose to condone that behavior. Misogyny and sexism are the most enduring of hatreds and crimes of the past. I’m don’t see rejoicing in his victory as leaving the bad old days behind. Maybe when your female students get out into the real world and begin competing for jobs and raises, and juggling family responsibilities, they’ll realize this.

  200. I can’t celebrate. There was no moment. This was more of the same…carefully crafted image perceptions. Race relations have been set back 40 years or more.

  201. destardi,

    I knew that would happen and expect Ayers back on the scene too.

  202. no way
    Wright introduced Obama last night?
    Where was Ayers?
    really glad I took cold medicine and passed out.

    God damn America.
    Hate has won.

  203. MABLUE,

    Good, best news I heard all day.

  204. Destardi,

    Are you serious? I didn’t watch or listen to any of it. Are you actually serious? Were Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn on state behind Obama?

  205. I can honestly say that I never in my life have tasted kool-aid, either literally, or pre or post election 2008 concerning Barack Ofraudy.

  206. Certainly its time to celebrate, not neccessarily Barack Obama- he played the game and played it well; a true politician. We should celebrate the American electorate who was willing to elect a non-white candidate. Already some Obama supporters are claiming it was because Obama is a transcended figure; non-sense, it was the American people who were willing to give a risky, and atleast on paper, weak non-white candidate a chance.

    Brief point of reference: Fewer people voted this time than in 04 (atleast according to CNN.com) 2008: around 118 million, 2004: around 121 million.

    I dont know what that means.

  207. Catarina,

    Hey you didn’t vote for the empty suit racist piece of shit. So don’t feel bad. Let’s make a Tee shirt.

    Don’t blame me I voted for Mccain.

  208. destardi, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:24 am Said:
    Um did you all see that Wright introduced uhbama last night?!?

    Ah bless! Touching to see that hatred is so mainstream!!!!! He can stay in the Lincoln Room!

  209. DRII,

    Thanks I thought the totals were low. Many conservatives were not happy with McCain. Many DEMS not happy with Obama but did not want to vote for Mccain. McCain should have addressed disgruntled DEMS directly but he never did.

  210. “We were able to prove once and for all that r@ce is not a factor anymore.”

    I have to disagree. Most BO supporters I heard/read (the “white liberal” demo) were using r@ce as a plaything without even acknowledging the complex issues that underlie it. Essentially, an awful lot of BO fans, especially here in white wealthy college towns, were playing out their little fantasies about r@ce, which BO cynically exploited. To be able to think you’re addressing r@cism by voting for a sleazy used car salesman and then you’re done — that’s privilege right there, which BO fans will never acknowledge. Because they don’t care.

    In any case, I keep thinking about Prop 8. I hope that’s getting as much play because that is a violation of civil rights.

  211. IronMan,

    There is no point in worrying about vote-stealing and cheating anymore. It is now celebrated by both parties and a majority of American voters. I doubt if I’ll see a fair election again in my lifetime. I’ll fight for free elections, and hope that younger people will experience them in the future.

  212. With all due respect I have to disagree with the premise presented. To feel good about his win would be to completely set aside the very reasons of how he got here. The ra*cism he promoted to quell the dissent does nothing to promote the easing of relations. This man did not win anything fair and square; he reached out and took it my whatever means possible. The MSM set the tone and we have yet to discover his true financial backing. He took pride in his sexism so it is difficult for me to admit that he has broken any barriers. Particularly on is own.

    This man does not qualify to hold the office and there is no joy or pleasure in what he has achieved. I cannot forget May 31st that quickly. It happened, we all recognized what occurred, and to pat ourselves on the back now with some quasi argument that barriers have been broken is something I cannot do. In doing so we only continue to enable to idea that cheating will get you the prize.

    So much for breaking barriers. I cannot accept that. We have not moved one inch further down the road. Perhaps someone can define “winning” to me as I certainly do not see it.

  213. I’m trying to confirm the Wright introduction
    Does anyone have a msm link?

  214. Thank God Harry Reid did not get a filibuster proof majority in the US Senate!

    Looks like many of the Obama supporters just marked the top of the ticket and then left the voting booth.

    Harry Reid is up for election in 2010. The people I talk with from Nevada say he will either retire or get beat in 2010. Either way, Harry Reid will be out on his arse if those tea leaves are correct, and I think they are.

  215. aforcity,@ 9:24

    …. in your case they got two for one! But you are right . The fact that you were suited for the job wasn’t a factor in your getting it….and must of been very hard

  216. I don’t know if I am repeating what anyone else has said in this thread, but last night, just before I fell asleep I thought of the AA friends that I haven’t spoken to since the March, April and July, and I actually felt a moment of joy. This surprise feeling was, for that moment, empathy for their pride, joyful celebration of God’s long-awaited justice and their own personal victory, AND my own joy for the long-awaited justice and their own personal victory. It would have been a life -changing moment for me too, had it been under different circumstances.

    And then I woke up this morning and thought of how VERY much in danger my friends, their people and all of our country is at this moment as long as BO is pres-elect/POTUS. If anything should happen to him, this country would not be goverable.

    We are so much more vulnerable to our enemies, in many ways, than if he was not elected. Maybe this is what the new VP (what’s that guy’s name again?) meant last week…

  217. If any one person deserves credit for electing Barack Obama; it is George W Bush….

    no doubt

  218. fox reporting that mccain staffers are going after palin… fuk them

    GOP needs to go back to their roots of conservatism and all the nay-sayers and backstabbers need to be thrown out with the trash

    The only reason McCain had a shot at this was Palin.

  219. Alice: “To be able to think you’re addressing r@cism by voting for a sleazy used car salesman and then you’re done — that’s privilege right there, which BO fans will never acknowledge. Because they don’t care.”

    That result was the goal of many in the ruling class. They wanted to be able to claim that race is no longer a problem so they could get on with turning all of us into serfs.

  220. rut roh…I spoke too soon; I’m not sure who introduced uhbama…it was second hand information.

    Sorry!

  221. This country would not be governable. SP

  222. I give props to RD and Obama- solely because America has officially transcended race.

    However, I don’t feel good about this at all. It’s 2000 all over again for me. Will he be Clinton-esque or Carter-esque? With the Democrats in control of the Congress- who knows.

    Time shall tell the tale.

  223. RD, I understand our comment, but I feel it fall exactly into the DNC narative: Image is everything. Anyway too tired to elaborate.

  224. I’m going to just go crawl into a hole…I’m sorry I posted information that was second hand. I don’t ever do that…A co-worker told me, and he’s usually pretty credible but he now says he wasn’t sure it was him.

    Arghhh

  225. agreed – historic moment.
    the right candidate for this moment – there are better
    if he runs for 2nd term, will as many people DUCK when someone yells “r@cist”? – i think not.
    in other words – the r@ce card has lost much of its value in politics, and that one thing is good for America.
    suck it up, move on with our lives, speak out when we disagree with the direction we’re going, and continue to demand a government of checks and balances that keeps America from falling off the road of Freedom on either side.

  226. and focus on how to get a woman – a good, honorable, principled woman – into the White House.

    Is this going to be a woman who benefited from the sacrifices of Hillary and other older women and then trashed her/them when they needed support the most?

  227. Afrocity:

    You’re really funny. I love your dry wit even when we disagree becasue I really wanted Franken to win and I hate Ted Stevens, always have.

    But you are as tough as Sugar.

  228. Riverdaughter, I emphatically disagree, and will not celebrate one moment. this is a black day for civil rights. My second class citizenship has become enshrined in three states, two of which this bastard won. I spit on him and hope that nothing but foul things happen to him. fuck him, and fuck black people who think that people like me don’t deserve the same civil rights as them. Obama is a coward, a racist, and a homophobe. this is not a day to celebrate, it is a day to hang our heads in shame. This is a black day for all people who are discriminated against.

  229. Karolina,

    Whites are now off the hook. No reparations needed. Debt paid in full.

    Feels good to be free. Free at last Free at last thank God white people are free at least.

    No more blaming whites for blacks not making it.

    So it is a victory for whites. the civil war and collective guilt is over

  230. Afrocity,

    How can you celebrate Clarence Thomas if the fight is about stopping unfair treatment to women? Is it that Anita Hill lied? How are we to clear him of that behavior and “celebrate” his success, without being able to compartmentalize what you hate about Obama?

    More to the point, this can be a watershed moment, regardless of what you think about the person.

  231. Reply to joanie in Brooklyn, on November 5th, 2008 at 8:10 am Said:

    “For me the issue was always one of Obama’s lack of qualifications for the job. I have had that argument repeatedly over the past several months with other Blacks. They always counter with something to the effect that George W. Bush wasn’t qualified either. Which makes my point: we’ve seen what eight years of an unqualified president can do, so we think that another unqualified replacement can fix what the first one has wrought. That makes no sense to me. ”

    —————-

    No fear. The same Obots who voted for BO, many of whom never worked a day in their lives and this morning feel justified for being so lazy, and danced and drank in his honor all night, will soon enough realize that BO used them.

    Trust me, upon realization that BO can not or will not give them the free ride he promised them for months, they will attack him, but it will be too late. Their reward will come soon enough.

    As you do, I know my AA brothers and sisters, and the minute Obama does not go their way, it is on! As of late last nite, I started receiving emails from Obots who are family members and associates (I know longer refer to them as friends). I started to delete these emails. Some waited until this morning to respond for peace sakes, but I have decided to hold on to those emails because, by next summer, many Obots will be preaching Obama’s funeral (metaphorically) and when they do, I will return their words to them.

  232. Sarah Palin, God Bless her and her family. She has a very bright future indeed. I’ll be sending her a thank you letter this week. I think many of our fellow PUMAs should as well.

    I wish she could have spoke last night, but McCain was the only one that did. I guess that is the normal way of things.

    You can tell that Sarah Palin has a genuine love for America. She has my respect and gratitude. IN a way, I think McCain passed the torch to Sarah palin last night. No doubt there will be people that will try to block her from running and winning in a race for the presidency in 2012. But if she runs in 2012 against Obama, she has my support and my vote.

  233. I will not participate in a site that celebrates anything about this two bit lying, scumbag piece of filth. I’m done.

  234. bostonboomer,
    All of your posts reflect everything that I am feeling and what I expressed last night. Obama is the Dem’s Bush – there is no hope in “Mudville”, because there is no democracy and no freedom. The ruling class has won as they always have and we poor slobs are in for a worse ride. Ecpect a “terrorist” attack, and then, martial law.

    I truly hope that I am wrong. I never thought that I would rue the day of a Democratic sweep, but, I do.

    Mawm, I am so sorry that Gays are the first to feel the brunt – so like Germany.

  235. Afrocity… I agree, many republicans did not turn out for Mac, and I think Palin halted some disaffected democrats.

    Pat Johnson…

    I understand what you are saying, especially if you focus squarely on the individual (Barack Obama). But if you look past him (as many of the people who voted for him must have done) I think it is possible to see that a milestone has been reached- a non-white candidate being elected.

    Its amazing that I see it like this now, a day after the election. But before I could not look past the candidate himself. Obama is one of the least known, least prepared, weakest candidates ever in modern history. This does not mean he will be a bad president (I will withhold judgement on that) but a very dangerous precedent has been set. God help us all.

  236. afrocity
    “Whites are now off the hook. No reparations needed. Debt paid in full.
    Feels good to be free. Free at last Free at last thank God white people are free at least.
    No more blaming whites for blacks not making it.
    So it is a victory for whites. the civil war and collective guilt is over”

    I don’t know if you are being snarky, but, for better or worse, It has the ring of truth to it. Really, it is an honor to read your comments. Thanks.

  237. Gary’s truth, at November 5th, 2008 at 9:39 am, is another one of the reasons that I felt that celebration for a fleeting moment. This is so fraudulent and it is so divisive.

  238. Afrocity:

    TO cheer you up, here’s another magnum opus from Black Agenda Report (Always a must read for me)

    Morning in Obamerica: Change, Change, Change?

    What has Obama wrought? In the euphoria, can reality reclaim its rightful place? The parameters of rhetorical change are boundless, propelled into the nether-reaches of nonsensicality by hyper-speak and super-wishfullness that can never supplant the real world of entrenched class and race rule. Celebrate good times…COME ON! But at some soon point in time, we must return to the ground. And the need for struggle. Better start as soon as the cold breeze hits you. Like now.

    Go read the whole thing.

  239. destardi: No, don’t tell me Wright actually introduced hiim?

  240. garychapelhill, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:43 am Said:
    I will not participate in a site that celebrates anything about this two bit lying, scumbag piece of filth. I’m done.

    No, don’t go! I look forward to reading your comments and posts.

  241. […] The Confluence: Wednesday: We Have Overcome […]

  242. RD,

    I get what you say. And I too am glad about what this election symbolizes. The part that I do not like is that women were sacrificed to reach this moment. Why does it have to be either or, why can’t it be both? Women and African American men have been pitted against each other for a very long time (abolitionists and suffragists). In order for me to be at peace with the election of Obama, he needs to denounce the sexism and misogyny, the attacks on the LGBT community and fhe needs to embrace the Democratic Party ideals that until recently lived in every Democrat. He needs to teach his followers about tolerance, free speech and respect. He will travel a tough road, and if he does not know how to do it, then we must show him the way.

    Even though Obama won, I still try to see this entire experience as a positive. I used to be a very partisan Democrat. The Republicans were “evil.” But what I learned is that we are all very similar. I have learned to tolerate other views and even rejoice in our differences. This is something that the Obamacrats are missing and need to learn. These differences is what makes this country great. I still mourn what we lost in this election, but we do need to celebrate what we all have gained and learned. Our country will continue. How great it is will be depends on us.

  243. I am not looking for a president of color or sex. That is a spurious reason to elect someone as a leader. Character counts. Integrity counts. Experience counts. This man has shown none of the above.

    To say that he broke some “barrier” is overreaching. You only do that when you come prepared and have at least demonstrated that there is something within you that rises to the level of ability. He has not.

    I cannot in all good conscience look upon this as a symbol. His “win” only demonstrates more of the same corruption that we on this blog have condemned. The only thing that sets him apart from all the others is his ability to win at any cost. No pride there.

  244. The AA guy behind the counter at the bagel shop looked so happy he was fit to burst.

  245. Yes the country has over come race, and there is joy in that. I hope Hillary gets a proper hearing on UHC and continues to serve as senator.

    Many people from many cultures have been abused and have contributed to this great nation, that shouldn’t be over looked. The sweat of many immigrants has helped to make this nation what it is and more importantly what it can be. Many were already here when others arrived and perhaps equality will come when we have the first Native American President.

    I don’t think I will see a woman POTUS in my life time. I have come to accept that women have for thousands of years been traded as slaves, more recently today as sex slaves and that struggle is where my energy will flow. Woman are even kidnapped off the streets of Western nations no less today, and no one seems to take notice. Sharia Law has come to Western nations and no one seems to care.

    I understand the struggles of the LBG community and can remember rallying support for an openly gay candidate and only after months of support did others join.

    So, congratulations on this momentous day. I will still look towards the day where we are judged by the content of our character, regardless or what gender you are and of what you have done.

  246. garychapellhill,
    I agree with your sentiment – you as well as me a woman, are the niggers of the world. I will also not be participating at any site that asks for celebration of one “barrier being broken”, while two others have had their walls erected higher.

  247. OT, but perhaps of interest: Of the “Fab Four,” only Kay Hagan won. A sad day for some of the most accomplished women running for office.

  248. RD and I talked about this last night…I feel nothing but despair.

    I understand why people would celebrate this moment. My own husband, who is 56 and was alive when MLK was assassinated, broke down in tears and couldn’t stop crying. What did it for him was seeing Jesse Jackson sobbing. JJ is the real deal, as many have already stated.

    But a victory that is purchased on the backs of women, that trades one historic moment for another, is no victory at all. It is a shameful, shameful moment for America.

    I now understand why Obama chose this time to run for President. He took the perfect storm of his little anti-war speech in 2002, the color of his skin, his youth, the terrible economy, the built-in misogyny of the American people, and the horrors of 8 years of Bush to weave a narrative that was impossible for many to resist.

    The American people, regardless of their skin color, could have had so much better than Barack Obama. But they turned in their critical faculties to support a person who does not exist.

    It is up to us PUMAs to be the voice of dissent and accountability. According to one exit poll, we are at least 2.7 million strong. Not bad for a completely virtual movement that started on June 1st.

    We, the American people, will overcome our sexism, misogyny, and tendencies to demonize each other. And PUMA will be a part of it.

    PUMA POWER!!!!

  249. bostonboomer: I couldn’t agree more with all of your comments here. As a 57-year-old woman, I’m not sure I’ll live to see a woman as president. I doubt I’ll see the implementation of the 30% solution. I told someone the other day that I was going to stock up on sleeping pills, because if Social Security disappears, as it very well might at some point over the next 4 years, I’ll be left with no way to support my “golden” years. I’m no longer a Democrat, not really a Republican, but will stay as an Independent.

    And, as terrible as it may be to say, there’s a part of me that hopes Obama fails miserably, because any success of a corrupt and illegal presidency simply rewards and condones corruption.

    God, I hope I win the lottery. I plan on moving to a nice little town in the Yucatan and living out my life far away from what this country has become.

  250. the prop 8 vote is horrific and disturbing.

  251. afrocity – I don’t care what people say about Condi – I actually love her. I don’t agree with 50% of her politics but I don’t agree with 100% of my wife’s politics. She is smart, tenacious and nothing seems to get under her skin. Her achievement including Colin’s is what really opened the door for Omighty – I hope he recognizes that. By the way some of the insults thrown at her can’t even be posted here – I would say it is actually worse than HRC and SP. She should be glad she did not run for office.

  252. I guess the party is already over guys!!!!

    Putin already made is move and the world is not gonna like it and the ones following. Missiles in the baltics.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7710362.stm

  253. Thanks, MABlue. I think I’ll be reading Black Agenda Report a lot in the days to come. They definitely helped me during the long campaign. I have to agree with Gary. When women and gays–and most AA’s–have been sacrificed for Obama’s “win,” I can’t and won’t celebrate. I’m just an observer now. An angry observer.

  254. FLVoter: I hear you and I think a Clinton/Obama ticket would have been a killer too. We have a lot to do to make a woman in office possible. I just don’t think it’s going to happen for a long long time.
    That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t work for it.

  255. Reply to: xax, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:36 am Said:
    I give props to RD and Obama- solely because America has officially transcended race.

    ===========

    REALITY CHECK: Actually (and no offense), to all who feels this way, but an Obama presidency only gives the appearance that America has officially transcended race.

    I still can not get a cab in Manhattan. My son will continue to be profiled while walking or driving through the streets of America. I am 53 years old and when I walk past white people on Third Avenue, some still stop and look back as if I am going to rob them.

    When I call for an apartment, realtors ask where I live and try to check me out over the telephone.

    None of that will change with an Obama presidency. Nor will the fact that I never allowed racism to stop me if I could help it and that will not change. Furthermore, I have raised my son and my nieces accordingly.

    Education definitely helps. It does not fix everything, but it does make life easier. So Obama did nothing for me or the AA community in spite of what certain folks on both sides of the fence would like to think.

    Hey, let me change the subject here. Is there anyone else here who thinks he’ll grant Tony Rezko clemency?

  256. Not a joke? Are you nuts??? You’ve been manipulated and played and you buy into this??

    REGROUPING: The Morning After the Day Before (A Joint Post with kenosha Marge & American Lassie (GG Will Be Posting Separately) (UPDATED 2X)

    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/regrouping-the-morning-after-the-day-before-a-joint-post-with-kenosha-marge/

  257. jvsp,

    I believe every word of it.

    I am sick of blacks and their whining and I am black.

    Whites are now free. No longer can a black person say you can’t get an even break.

    You have been forgiven white people.

  258. jules, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:46 am Said:
    ——————————

    NO…I posted second-hand information from a co-worker. Disregard my previous post…RD, you might want to delete my previous post at 9:24 am…I don’t want to disrupt people and make the situation worse.
    A thousand apologies…

  259. I hope you’re right, madamab. And I hope we’ll hear more analysis from Riverdaughter, because I can’t look at that photo at the top of this thread. I’m going to get through this day and take stock when I have the energy.

  260. In order for me to be at peace with the election of Obama, he needs to denounce the sexism and misogyny, the attacks on the LGBT community and fhe needs to embrace the Democratic Party ideals that until recently lived in every Democrat. He needs to teach his followers about tolerance, free speech and respect. He will travel a tough road, and if he does not know how to do it, then we must show him the way.
    _______________________________________________________

    Ain’t gonna happen-don’t hold your breath!

  261. Afrocity, yeah I’m off the hook now. Feels like I’m flying.

    Still won’t be talking to those friends, though.

  262. We’ve had eight years of a corrupt white thug; now we have a corrupt black thug. And all those 18 milion cracks in the glass ceiling have been tidily mended.

    Oh, goody.

  263. riverdaughter, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:48 am Said:

    The AA guy behind the counter at the bagel shop looked so happy he was fit to burst.

    Okay, Now I know this is not Riverdaghter posting. Who haas kidnapped her and where do we leaave the ransom??

  264. IronMan, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:33 am Said:
    Thank God Harry Reid did not get a filibuster proof majority in the US Senate!

    That is one piece of good news today.

    madamab: So happy to see you hear this morning. What you write always resonates with me.

  265. “The AA guy behind the counter at the bagel shop looked so happy he was fit to burst.”

    Let’s see how long that lasts….

    Really, this is all a media event….as Dr. Long said

    “The brand not the man.”

    Please.

  266. destardi,

    Thanks, I deleted it. Did you find out who did the introduction? Was it Jesse Jackson?

  267. Maybe some people with “white guilt” will feel they have atoned. I know people who voted for Obama for that reason, even though he is not the descendant of any enslaved people.

  268. I am in moderation???? Help.

  269. goesh, 8:31 am: “I do think he will be able to persuade corporate America to bring back all the manufacturing jobs from overseas, his power of rhetoric is obviously powerful – they will listen.”

    LMAO!
    A Chinese (=slave) worker costs 100 times less than an American worker. Those jobs will never come back!

  270. afrocity, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:53 am Said:

    You have been forgiven white people.

    *********

    Thanks, afrocity. I feel absolved. 🙂

  271. I believe people voted for the symbol not the man. PUMAs didn’t fall for it. We realize no man can live up to all that expectation, especially if he’s never accomplished anything in the first place.

    It will be interesting to watch as people realize how Obama is not their messiah, just a flawed human being who can’t be everything to everyone. There will be many times in the days ahead PUMAs will be able to say ‘I told you so’. And in 4 years, we can vote Hillary in instead after Obama has dropped the ball.

  272. Afrocity

    So it is a victory for whites. the civil war and collective guilt is over

    not if you saw the Spike Lee and Tavis interview on Morning Joe

  273. destardi: No worries — you cleared it up.

  274. catarina,

    That’s about as likely as Bush apologizing for robbing us blind and starting an endless war with lies. Not gonna happen.

  275. RD,

    Seriously, I do not think I will see a woman in the White House during my lifetime. The damage caused during this election was too great. All the more reason to remind the Democrats and Obama about the damage they caused to women. I will be that pesky mosquito constantly buzzing and biting until this wrong is righted. I am not hopeful that it will be in my life time, but eventually, maybe in another 50 years we will have a woman in the White House. Our daughters can celebrate for us, and what a party they will have. We are the next Susan B. Anthonys.

  276. madamab: Aptly put. This win is no cause for celebration. Instead it offers an opportunity to let us examine the particulars that got us to this place. History will record that women were cast aside and woefully treated in order to assure a victory of electing a minority, qualified or not, into the highest office in the land in order that we may feel better about ourselves.

    I appreciate the concept but not the result. The price of his “win” is much too high for me to take any pleasure. He has opened a new chapter into what is wrong with American politics. And I am afraid it only highlights the underbelly.

  277. The Black Agenda Report was spot on early…this guy will set people, all, not just blacks, back….It’s too bad the first black President is such a creep.

    Look at Colin Powell…creep. Clarence Thomas…creep.

    So friggin’ what if Obama is the first black President if he is a creep?????

  278. Yes! lets all celebrate that the first AA man to become president did it through coruption, voter intimidation, bullying, playing the race card against his opponent because he couldn’t run on his own merits. How does one really celebrate this moment? What this proves is that coruption pays off, big media decides who is elected and isn’t, the Democratic party will no longer feel the need to follow democracy. The Democratic leaders are now entitled to choose which canddidate to represent the Dem party. How do we celebrate a man who cheated his way to the presidency?

    Downticket: that is exactly how I feel this morning. I cannot celebrate that anti-democratic practices were rewarded, and I agree with the other posters who point out that BO USED race in the worst possible way. He is the worst example of Affirmative Action weaknesses. I hoped that I would be able to focus on the joy that AA’s would feel today, but right now, all I feel is disgust. We have another arrogant, inexperienced and corrupt president who used his own form of nepotism to win.

  279. OBOTS-celebrating
    meanwhile…..the backwards momentum of women and gays
    celebrating misogyny and homophobia….

    terrible…..just terrible
    brings me to tears

  280. What has Obama wrought? In the euphoria, can reality reclaim its rightful place? The parameters of rhetorical change are boundless, propelled into the nether-reaches of nonsensicality by hyper-speak and super-wishfullness that can never supplant the real world of entrenched class and race rule. Celebrate good times…COME ON! But at some soon point in time, we must return to the ground. And the need for struggle. Better start as soon as the cold breeze hits you. Like now.

    I have not read the article yet but see how they are saying return to the ground to struggle. The struggle is in their minds and needed like oxygen to this continuing saga of victimization. How about black teenage women closing their legs and opening a book for a change? What I see here in Chicago is disgusting. Black women are seen as sexual objects, the subject of rap songs about b6tches and hoes.

  281. Given a choice between a woman and a man, the corporate democracy chose the man and used his race to promote him and it did not hurt that he was a shiny, palatable Black (though a bi-racial looking black) man for all the Blacks and Whites alike. This is not an authentic victory for either the Blacks or the nation — for AAs he was black enough and for the majority he was not too black — this was not an authentic embrace of the race. That would have come if he had been subjected to the same scrutiny as the other (woman) candidate and him triumphing over objective standards. The symbolism can only take you that far. The fact that it was achieved on the backs of two women and that the majority of the voters and the party establishment rejected that option for the glossy corporate male candidate is nothing to celebrate. This is another death blow to women’s progress.

  282. insightanalytical

    “Really, this is all a media event….as Dr. Long said”

    it really is and they are gloating today – well back to reality. Have to pay my taxes and be Joe the Plumber – make sure I don’t ask O any questions for the next 4 years 🙂

  283. Politics is truly unfair…

    a candidate who sacrificed so much for his country, a true hero- scorned so often by his own party…

    is defeated by someone so unproven, with so little experience. Arnold was right when he said Mac was a POW longer than Obama has been a senator…

  284. The problem for me in trying to celebrate the symbolism is that the Democratic Party(!) intentionally and systematically welded the triumph over racism to the triumph of misogyny. The advancement of equality based on race is now inextricably linked with the denigration and backsliding for equality based on gender.

    I am not arguing about tactics in saying that. There are two symbols at work here and they are not separable. If AAs win, women must lose. That is the symbolic moment of today — even if Obama hadn’t cheated to win, even if he were competent, even if he didn’t get where he is by disclaiming AAs at every turn — the symbolic lesson is that no, you cannot have equality for all, but only equality for one, at the cost of others.

    Regency’s chocolate milk analogy is right on, the chocolatey goodness is inseparable from the spoiled milk in the symbolism glass, and I just can’t celebrate one by pretending bad milk is really good milk.

    The sad thing is, it didn’t have to be this way. An Obama win didn’t have to created at the cost to every other group. Divide and conquer was always a Republican tactic in the past, now it has been embraced enthusiastically (and violently) by both sides.

    The best I can do, I’m afraid, is celebrate the fact that some people think something profound happened today.

  285. paper doll, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:19 am Said:

    In my experience when a business is failing, the owners will often let an AA or woman take over. So the Upper Crust let the AA in this take over….but because it is over ( the economy etc.) whoopee.

    *********

    Now this is what gives me hope for a woman president in my lifetime. When Obama further trashes the place, guess what gender will get the hand off?

  286. Uh, Obama is the product of an African and an American white woman. He isn’t decended from slaves. His only link to African-Americans decended from slaves is his skin color. So all this celebration and pulling up civil liberties history and quoting Martin Luther King is inappropriate in relation to Obama.

    Obama is still an empty suit, bought and paid for by corporate America, married to possibly the ugliest woman in America.

    Obama is a dangerous individual with a questionable background whose only “change” for America will most likely be catastrophic.

    Obama may have won last night, but America lost.

  287. bostonboomer, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:55 am Said
    ——————————————

    Thanks BB…No, not yet…I just checked in while I’m at work, after what a co-worker told me….haven’t been able to confirm yet.

  288. To celebrate the “win” of an cheating AA at the expense of women and gays and whoever else is under the bus is ……why I just can’t find the word- where’s the loyalty to all the pumas who came together here? Bad choice for a diary today.

  289. boomer
    that was not my comment.
    my reply to FL voter was also “not gonna happen”
    sorry for confusion

    Obama’s supporters are in for some great big ugly surprises.
    He is no liberal.
    How many times has he even said the word “Democrat”

    He’s not my president. He’s a hateful, lying, cheating thug and I will be happy when the shit hits the fan.

  290. I see no hope in these election results, only a giant step backwards. The media have once again selected our candidate, so how free are any of us?

    ditto grayslady. Yesterday’s result is also confirmation that propaganda works, voter suppression and manipulation works, sexism is alive and well, and it is the antithesis of MLK Jr’s dream that a man will be judged not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character.

    As Gerry Ferraro, Biden & others said, he would never have been in this position if it was not because of race, not beyond race.

  291. paper doll, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:19 am Said:
    “when a business is failing, the owners will often let an AA or woman take over. So the Upper Crust let the AA in this take over….but because it is over ( the economy etc.”

    I admire RD’s post today, but the main thing this election proves is that AA politicians are just as corrupt as their Caucasian male counterparts.

    paper doll, I believe you called it. The economic strife ahead of us is going to take a toll on minorities and the disenfranchised. I am cynical enough to believe Obama was put in place to mollify them.

  292. Looking back in time, I find far more hope and faith in symbolism in Jesse Jackson’s runs for president, even though he didn’t come close to winning, than BO’s.

  293. afrocity said:

    Feels good to be free. Free at last Free at last thank God white people are free at least.

    You are cracking me up! This is the first out loud laugh I’ve had all morning.

    It’s refreshing to read there are people who share my views. I should have spent more time here in the past six months. I’ll be here a lot more, now.

  294. Just watched the Foxnews vid of McCain’s concession speech.
    I never liked McCain and it was hard for me to rally the vote for him, but listening to him speak there is no denying he is a true hero.

    Sarah Palin finally cried, and I cried with her.

    Whoever said above that Obama won and America lost-that is the sad and sorry truth.

  295. PJ – He said he could win without us, and he did.

    There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for Obama to do anything to move womens’ rights forward. He owes us nothing.

    Nope, no celebration here. If Mac had won, he would have owed it to us, since his own Party stabbed him in the back and refused to support him. We would have had some bargaining power.

    Barack Obama will roll over us. Our reproductive rights will be further abridged. And Hillary and Bill are part of the “old politics,” dinosaurs who deserve to be cast aside because they championed the Joe The Plumbers of this world. We are all going to move ahead into some post-racial fairyland where simply electing Barack Obama will make the pesky working class disappear.

    I feel scared and sad for all the Americans who are now under Obama’s bus. And yes, that includes African-Americans.

    I desperately pray that I am wrong.

  296. Ok, definitely in moderation…Sad. As I was saying, the party is already over. Putin just made his first move this morning. Missiles lanchers were moved close to and pointed to Baltic Nations.

    To anybody who does not extrapolate American politics on the international scene, and therefore missing the fact that McCain was being the sworned enemy of Putin, here is a snapshot: With McCain out of the way, Putin is “testing the mettle of this guy”. I wants to reconstitute the old Soviet Union territory and he is not wasting a second. Georgia invasion in August was just a warning shot.

    Here we go…

  297. Mike in California, when will women be judged not by the juxtaposition of facial features, but by their character?

  298. afrocity, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:53 am Said:
    —–

    You’ve made me tear up! When someone of your caliber runs for president and wins, it will be truly historic, because you would run as a person, just a person who HAPPENS to be AA. But, most of all, you’re a person in whom I could be proud to call my president, someone who really exemplifies what is and would be best for America.

    Now I am only ashamed of America, more so than with GWB.

    All the best!

  299. Hmm, on thinking this thread through further, might Riverdaughter be deliberately provoking discussion about this whole election by posting such an outrageously misguided essay?

    And I mean that in a good way, RD — it sure is healthily cathartic for us to vent our spleen this dark morning in US history.

    At least that’s what I prefer to think when I re-read your piece, whether that was your true intent or not — or if you’re trying to be a good liberal in looking for the silver lining in this moment when genuinely representative democracy died yet again.

  300. Did anyone start to analyze the #s yet. There were some places in IN where the votes were 123% of the registered. I wonder if there was similar instances

  301. Overcoming through lying, corruption, bullying, intimidation, misogyny and fraud is not overcoming squat. It’s an illusion.

    I look forward to the day when we truly overcome.

  302. Valhalla,

    I am in total agreement. I thought that about Jesse too.
    In fact I was hoping that Jesse Jackson Jr. would be the first AA. But stupid Jackson Jr. he actually accomplished things and did his job.

    Meanwhile expect KKK type conservatives to blame Bush for allowing a black in office. Bush’s legacy is toast.

  303. His “win” that we are being asked to trumpet is based more on the workings of the DNC, the Rules Committee,the MSM, the misogyny, the ra*cial insults, white guilt, fraud, and George W. Bush.

    The only thing historic about it is that so many were willing to give this a pass in order to “feel good” about themselves. Fluck it!

  304. RD- The only barrier broken to get this fraud in the W.H., was the $ barrier ($700 million +)… I do not agree with you at all, it is not time to celebrate. I also came from the civil rights era, this is not what it was suppose to be about.
    I was very sad to wake up to your post this morning…

  305. purplefinn
    I cringed at Mike’s comment too.
    But maybe it’s not about facial features-rather, ugly on the inside, which MO certainly has proved that she is!

  306. soopermouse:

    I agree with you 100%. I am not feeling joy today. What has been shown is that regardless of who you are or what you have done in your life, with enough money, spin and marketing, the ad boyz can do anything.

    If they had wanted to, a rabbit could have been elected president last night, and today we would all be celebrating the New Age of the Energizer Bunny!

  307. WomanVoter: To paraphrase, you have the temerity to wish to be judged by the content of your character rather than the position of your plumbing? I hope I’m around to transcend that particular mountaintop. This has a historical parallel to Frederic Douglas throwing Susan B. Anthony under the carriage. Didn’t have buses then.

  308. Everyone knows my stance on uhbama.

    As I’ve said, if I reach the age of 90 (God willing) I will never forgive or forget ubhama’s racebaiting and hateful politicking towards the Clintons.

    WITH THAT SAID…

    I’m going to keep doing what I already have done; do the right thing.

    RD is seeing the silver lining here…As much as it conflicts with my emotions, I see a glimpse of it myself.

    Perception is everything.

    I remember ONE photo (out of many photos taken during an 8 year reign by Bill Clinton) that had all G8 leaders standing side by side in front of a crowd.

    All 7 foreign leaders had serious faces and even a couple scowls; but when it came to Clinton, Bill was smiling the biggest, cheesiest smile.

    That people, is Perception.

    We know about uhbama. We know his tricks, his many weaknesses, his lack of credibility. Let the country take something positive from all this negativity. It’s the very least uhbama can do. Obama’s skin is the symbol, not his spirit…Uhbama’s election was a ‘debt’ that in some people’s minds had to be paid to placate some and move forward.

    If that’s what it takes to absolve my awesome, innocent little 9 year old ‘whitey’ nephew of future accusations of racism, THEN SO BE IT!!

    As lovely Afrocity has put it, there will be less justification of cries of racism. People will have the perception of being equal, and this will become reality…because Perception is everything.

    Buck up…the sun still rose this morning!!

  309. catarina, inside is character, right. I can’t argue against that. But just as we didn’t tolerate sexism re Hillary and Sarah, I don’t want to let it pass with Michelle.

  310. FLVoter,

    In 50 years, do you really think there will be a “United States of America?” I hope so, but I doubt it.

  311. Since when is a clever marketing campaign with a constructed “brand” overcoming?

    It’s nothing more than another propaganda-laden corporate-style success, like say…oh, iPhone. Let the rollout begin! Wait ’til everyone figures out that kool-aide they’ve been drinking is, in fact, “New Coke.”

    Get the spitoons ready.

  312. There is no joy in my “Mudville” today. Just a rapid escalation of my apprehension.

  313. laney: Have you been outside today and interacted with anyone? How could you NOT be happy for the nation? Forget about Obama for a second. Think about US.
    I have made a point of this over and over again that for me, it was never about race. When Obama first declared he was going to run, I imagined a day like today. Before I knew what he was, I thought a win for him would change the American landscape. It has.
    I don’t think we should excuse anything he did or is still doing. I don’t think he is going to be a great president. But I am very happy for the nation that we have gotten over a huge mental barrier. That is special and the delight I see in the eyes of AA’s on the streets of Manhattan is very infectious.
    Try to see the half full glass. There will be trials in the years to come and we’ll have plenty of opportunities to say, “I told you so.” But for now, let the anger go and enjoy the happiness of this day.

  314. mamab said:

    The American people, regardless of their skin color, could have had so much better than Barack Obama. But they turned in their critical faculties to support a person who does not exist.

    You have hit the nail on the head. I understand the attempt to paint this year’s election in a positive light, but like you, I see nothing to celebrate. The ends do not justify the means. I refuse to check my critical thinking skills at the door and celebrate someone with dark skin like me being in office when he got there dishonestly.

    Today my feelings alternate between despair and disgust. For the past eight years the country at large told me my concerns do not matter. This year is far more personal: my former party and my race said the same. And I am expected to celebrate? I think not.

  315. purplefinn,

    Are you honestly worried about Michelle? She can take care of herself just fine. I’m worried about ordinary women and ordinary African Americans, and ordinary gay men and women, not the darlings of Wall Street. They already took all my money. I’m going to let them stand up for their own rights. I’ll be busy trying to scrape together a few pennies so I can buy a can of cat food.

  316. Even though the scab of sexism has been ripped off as a result of this election cycle, I hold no hope that people’s eyes will be opened and that things will change for women. We have gained nothing from all of this except to be reminded that we are members of the lowest caste in our society and that if we attempt to rise, we will be slammed down.

    Relationships with family members of mine will be forever changed. I had no idea, until this past year, that they thought so little of me because of my gender. The only other times I can remember being so visciously shouted down by these same individuals was during discussions about gay rights. Homosexuals and women share membership in the lowest caste in our society.

  317. Before the primaries I was full of optimism. Up until the roll call vote, I maintained that optimism.

    Celebration is foolish — it is clear throughout history that thuggery does not bring elegance, only disaster. Lies don’t create honesty, only pain.

    Was anyone on the Titanic helped by the band continuing to play (except maybe the musicians)?

  318. Oh my…. you see that clip on Fox? One of the “kids” celebrating in front of the white house last night had a flag with the hammer/sickle

  319. RD I am happy today too.

    Even more important is that we now have enough YEA votes in the Senate to pass climate legislation that the Democrats have been trying to pass for decades.

    Since 1993 with the Clinton/Gore BTU tax the Republicans filibustered 50 significant renewable energy environmental bills.

    That era is now over, regardless of whether Smith in Oregan wins or Coleman in MN. (They were 2 of the 4 Republican votes we did have to pass this legislation.) (maybe (probably) they will impede other policy, I don’t know)

    Maybe, like when Bill Clinton began – we will only have 2 years till Republicans take over the Senate again.

    So, we must help Hillary pass climate legislation in these first 2 years, before it’s too late.

    Her energy policy that I wrote about here, could now become law. She is on the Environment Committee.

    We have 60 YEAs in the Senate for climate bills. These 60 are all people who have voted yes repeatedly to her policy like:

    1. renewable portfolio standards (make all our utilities find and provide renewable energy like solar and wind)
    2. longterm production tax credits for build renewables
    3. requiring all new buildings to produce their own electricity

    For the first time since 1993-1995, Democrats will not have to add dirty energy subsidies like tar sands, oil shale and coal-to-liquids to court Republican votes.

  320. New post up – all our points are being proven.

    The destruction of Sarah Palin is continuing. Misogyny is the new face of America.

  321. With the popularity of the TV Series “24” that featured the President of the US as an African American as well as Hollywood films “Bruce Almighty” and “Deep Impact” that did the same, the TV and Film Industry has been preparing the country for this historic moment for some time now. The power of television and films is incredible.

    How many times have we seen TV programs or films featuring a woman as President presented as credible and normal?

    The comedy “Kisses for My President” (1964)? Check out the synopsis of that film:
    “When the women of America join together on election day and elect a Leslie McCloud as the US President, things get a little awkward. Especially for her husband Thad NcCloud. He, as First Husband, must take over the job as The First Lady, in the women’s groups and garden parties.”
    It was a comedy that focused on the first Husband…

    The relatively short lived- two seasons- TV series “Commander in Chief” starring Geena Davis as the first female US President- a moderate Republican- who was not elected to that post but became POTUS when the elder white male President dies of a stroke?

  322. okasha skatsi, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:54 am Said:

    We’ve had eight years of a corrupt white thug; now we have a corrupt black thug. And all those 18 milion cracks in the glass ceiling have been tidily mended.
    ———————

    Yep, they replace the broken glass. The person who broke it is quietly punished never to be seen again.

  323. mmm, I don’t think we got 60.

  324. afrocity, on November 5th, 2008 at 9:24 am Said:
    I will soon be done with America.
    I am not needed here.

    afrocity = All American
    We need you here.

  325. bostonboomer, on November 5th, 2008 at 10:17 am Said:

    Are you honestly worried about Michelle?

    ***************
    No, I’m concerned about women in general. Have been for years – a boomer like you. It seems like hypocrisy to rail against sexism and then practice it when we nearly all agree that we don’t like someone. If we do it to any woman, we do it to all women. Michelle will receive what she sows. I have no doubt.

  326. WAKE UP!!! The national “historic” feel good time is already under challenge. All those kids who voted against the war just started a new one. Did anaybody heard me say the Putin already moved missiles by the Baltic Sea Nations?

  327. Mornin’ all. Well, well, well …

    Yet another unqualified, inexperienced, over-indulgent, coddled, entitled, self-invovled, petulant twit is “elected” to the U.S. presidency. Super.

    Btw – I, for one, would’ve preferred my “forty acres-and-a-mule” to this turkey. Just sayin’.

  328. RD:

    I am not happy for ANYONE because of the color of their skin. This has been the worst election in history. With the worst candidate. Women have again been relegated to the ranks of B’s and Hoes. And all because of him. This country is going to suffer because of President Obama.

    And when the rest of the country finally realizes what they have done, he will have single handedly set back race relations for generations. Try and get a legitimate AA elected POTUS after O gets done with the country.

    Why are you giving him a pass just because he is AA?

    At least, hopefully, I won’t have to hear what a racist nation we are for a few months. At least until things start going bad. Which they will.

  329. please get me out of moderation. used the R word.

  330. French Nail: I suspect you are correct about Medvedev’s/Putin’s intentions.

    madamab: Yes, they have proven Brazile’s words to be true: they do not need us. And by “us,” I mean all of us PUMAs: women, truly liberal men, LGBTs, etc. This is what worries me. All of the tactics used by the DNC/BO/bloggers/corporate media have, in their eyes, been vindicated.

  331. No slaves hands built any part of my country. It is true that slave labor was used to “build” great swathes of the agrarian South, but to make this blanket statement ignores all the blood, sweat, and tears of all races that it took to build this country. I’m sure the Native Americans might object since they have been building this country for about 10,000 years.

    p.s. I hear Asians had something to do with “building” the West.

  332. I heard you FrenchNail
    not surprised at all-we were forwarned.
    Medvedev publicly blamed the US for the global economic crisis a day or two ago.

  333. chatblu, on November 5th, 2008 at 10:10 am Said:
    ***
    I became aware during the primaries that while I was fighting for many issues the one that had been taken back…working backwards was that of women’s rights.

    So, I still to this day will tell anyone that Hillary was the best candidate that just happened to be a woman. Had she been judged on what she had done and on her character and not be betrayed by her party, not assaulted by the press and misogyny, she could have been our president come January.

    Obama flipped on campaign finance and the next race may well prove more expensive than this one and more contributions from other countries too I imagine.

  334. bostonboomer,

    I hope and pray that in 50 years there will be a United States of America. I will pray every day that Obama does not follow his fascist tendencies. I will pray every day that journalists will become the 4th estate again and stop being Obama propagandists. I will pray every day that the Democratic Party finds itself again and rediscovers those ideals that it so willingly threw away. And I will pray every day that women will be able to pick themselves up again from this last beating and rise like a pheonix from the ashes to glory. (Ok, maybe do more than “pray”) If Susan B. could find the courage so can we all.

  335. RD, what you are you implying is that those of us that saw this scumbag candidate, for what he is, are unable to get over a huge mental barrier. Have we just been called racists, yet again?

  336. edwardian, 🙂 Good morning, you work up with your wit intact at any rate!

  337. The sad thing is that the creepy prop 8 passed in California.

    In defense of Californians, there was a huge, tremendous amount of money behind it. And they preyed on the stupid. It was somebody’s big issue.

  338. I have yet to catch up on comments since my last one above, but I gotta tell you–I’m loving where Afrocity is coming from/what she’s saying. Ain’t that all the truth!

  339. Thanks Jules. I feel completely alone.

    There is something wrong here, very wrong. Follow the money. Who really profit this Presidency. Where all that money came from? Open the package Pumas! The wrapping is glittery but it’s just a wrapping.

  340. RD: I have to say that I truly don’t understand your rationale. How on earth has Obama’s win changed the American landscape? Simply because he’s bi-racial? What about the way the landscape has been changed in other ways – that this bi-racial man became President through illegal donations, voter fraud, misogyny and sexism, lies, secrecy, and the complicity of the media and the DNC? That the only way a bi-racial man could be elected was through corruption and deceit? That’s supposed to make us happy? We’re supposed to find delight in winning at any cost?

    You asked laney how s/he could NOT be happy for the nation. I wonder how you COULD be happy! For me there is great sadness, that the first non-white President got there by means that are absolutely unacceptable. We’ve opened Pandora’s box and there’s no going back, and that scares the hell out of me.

  341. Sorry, RD, but my only feelings of gratification this morning are that most all of the commenters here disagree with this post. Weren’t we supposed to be about principle above party? Unless we can look honestly at what has happened, I don’t see any hope for the revival of the Democratic Party.

  342. FrenchNail: What I am attempting to do is separate this day from the guy who pulled it off. They need to be seen separately.

  343. I don’t think today was the best day to have written this, RD. Too much anger. I’m not able to see through it with any clarity whatsoever right now.

  344. By the way, RD, those kids celebrating behind the bagel counter. Did either one of them happen to have a “Sarah Palin is a C—” shirt on? Or maybe a Bros before Ho’s.

    Just asking.

    The ends NEVER justify the means.

  345. I didn’t think this race was about history, I thought it was about electing a leader for our nation. History is gravy. He hasn’t earned gravy.

  346. If I see an other brainless post like this one on this site I will never come back here. If you think that for some reason we should fall in line with the DNC then come out and say that. Don’t pull and Obama on us with innuendos. You should remove this post and apologies to everyone.

  347. I am African-American. Though this truly is a milestone, nothing in Obama’s win (stealing) makes me feel “free at last”. I feel more disappointed in him than anything. At a time when I would otherwise feel proud, I feel completely ashamed that the bad behavior of Obama and the DNC powers-that -be have been rewarded. I fear we will all suffer as a result.

  348. As a PUMA I am insulted by this post.
    Asking people to put aside their very real emotions today is too much.

  349. RD,

    I agree with you 100%. That said, it does not forgive the corruptness of Obama, the DNC, the Democratic Party in general, the MSM and the attack upon all women perpetrated by all of above. I can be glad for the symbol, but still be angry over what happened and how it happened. One does not negate the other. To me Obama is still the most corrupt and inexperienced politican to be elected president.

  350. Pat at 9:32—–I’m with you. I feel nothing here, am empty of feeling now. Am reminded of a comment that I read on some blog (don’t remember which) last night-that we have just given jr. the car keys without adult supervision, so let’s hope he can drive. I would take it a step further and note that he’s driving on the autobahn.

  351. About to find additional work (possibly volunteering). I’ll need to find ways of occupying my days for the next four years, that excludes being force-fed this mess via the mass media, 24/7. And I’ll probably need the extra cash, too. Good gravy!

    Ready to embrace the Apocalypse.

  352. French Nail: I share your fears and your suspicions. I just don’t know how to go about getting any more answers at this point. I think Russia saw BO’s first statement about Georgia as a green light. We could really be in for it.

  353. I love you RD, but I cannot have the same outlook or enthusiasm you are feeling… Maybe you are a person person than I, but for now I will stay angry.
    When I saw black panther-ish thugs standing in front of voting centers, I was appalled, so no, I will not rejoice…

  354. RD, I get that. But it is not all there is to be. Because, Obama did not earned the Presidency. I was the perfect Storm. If the financial crisis has not happened, the rage of all the people who voted AGAINST the status quo, would have not voted Obama. What I am trying to say is that this Moment is somewhat not what the AA really diserved because it is “accidental”

    At least in appearance because in truth I am not that far to believe the momentum of the financial crisis was not an accident in time.

  355. A question from upstairs, being a little misinformed:

    What is Prop 8???? and what passed???

  356. Jean, on November 5th, 2008 at 10:33 am Said:
    I am African-American. Though this truly is a milestone, nothing in Obama’s win (stealing) makes me feel “free at last”. I feel more disappointed in him than anything. At a time when I would otherwise feel proud, I feel completely ashamed that the bad behavior of Obama and the DNC powers-that -be have been rewarded. I fear we will all suffer as a result.

    —————

    Jean, this fellow AA (from TX) shares your sentiments wholeheartedly.

    Backed by Chicago machine from the get-go, financed throughout this campaign nearly THREE QUARTERS OF A BILLION DOLLARS! Not to mention being aided and shilled, all the while, by a majority block of our mainstream/corporate-owned media. We should be so proud.

  357. purplefin,

    I’m not aware of making any sexist attacks on Michelle, and have no plans to make any. That’s the best I can do. She didn’t defend Hillary, Sarah, or me. I hope she won’t feel the sting of misogyny as I have for the past years. Against, that’s the best I can do. I will need to take care of myself from now on. I needed social security. But I celebrate your efforts if you have more time to defend her.

  358. michelina,

    California passed a law legalizing gay marriage. Prop 8 will repeal that law.

  359. Oh thank you so much HBG. Now that you’ve taken part in the campaign of hate, you’re going to “listen” to our issues? Somehow I don’t believe it. Anyone who cared about sexism or misogyny would not have supported Obama.

  360. RD, I don’t think they CAN be seen separately. If he had in any way won a fair battle, then yes, today would be a day to stop and recognize the moment. But you know as well as we all do that there was nothing fair about how he got there.

    Ordinarily I agree with 90% of what you say, but in this I completely disagree. Obama’s win is all about Obama. No barriers have been torn down, new ones have been put up. He is a slap in the face to all those who have had to work twice as hard to get half as far.

  361. RD, I appreciate your post. Thank you.

    This is an historic moment. No matter what I think about BO as a candidate, I am happy that we have finally elected a president who is not a white male. And I believe this is good for our nation. I rejoice for all Afro-Americans who are thrilled by his election.

    But I am also very saddened that he won the election on the back of a very qualified woman. For me, his election has shown how very much women are still oppressed and taken for granted here in the USA. And I am outraged that both the US and World press have ignored this outcome of the 2008 election.

  362. RD, I’m sorry to see that after coming to your site since the beginning of July that my last post is now in moderation. I do disagree with you today as my previous posts on this thread have suggested. But thank you for this moderation. You have now given me a sample of what I can expect from an Obama administration. I really do expect this post to never come out of moderation.

  363. Michelina,

    BTW, all those new Obamacrats allowed Amendment 2 to be passed in FL that not only bans gay marriage, but also removes any possibility of civil unions and even destroys rights obtained to registered domestic partners. The passage of this Amendment I directly blame Obama and the Democrats because they abandoned Democratic Values.

  364. Btw, RD – as always, you show yourself to be an A-1 class act. But I find nothing here to “celebrate”. He’s now to become the first Black American president in our nation’s history. That’s pretty much the extent of it for me.

    I just pray the good Lord grants this individual even a lick of common sense, decency, sound judgment and character so lacking in this “President-elect” thus far.

  365. This is late in this thread, but I have to add my 2 cents. Electing an unqualified, inexperienced black man on the basis of skin color is no victory for anyone.
    It’s like telling a kid his puppy died, but now he won’t have to walk him.
    Symbolic victories, tokenism, par for the Democratic course. We should demand more.
    This is not a milestone, this is a symptom.

  366. There seems t be a new slogan among the PUMAS.
    “We will hold the “annointed” feet to the fire” How unrealilstic that sounds. We women and then later as Pumas did everything we could to expose this “mans” character and whart did it get us? What make us think that now that he has the power of the White House in his pocket that we will ever be near a fire to put his feet too? His thugish Chicago means will be in full operation as it was in the primary and the election process. No we are in full monty mode and may the “heavens” help us!
    I guess now we need the republcans to do what they do best and chop down this imposter. Wahsington vs. Chicago. With the dems bowing down to this thug we got a long road to travel. PUMA 4 EVER

  367. bostonboomer, on November 5th, 2008 at 10:42 am Said:
    purplefin,

    I’m not aware of making any sexist attacks on Michelle, and have no plans to make any. That’s the best I can do. She didn’t defend Hillary, Sarah, or me. I hope she won’t feel the sting of misogyny as I have for the past years. Against, that’s the best I can do. I will need to take care of myself from now on. I needed social security. But I celebrate your efforts if you have more time to defend her.

    ———–

    Guess it was A-OK for Michelle to sit idly by as sexism and misogyny ran rampant over decent folk like Hilary, Geraldine and Sarah — not to mention their supporters. But as soon as there might even be a whiff of stinch headed the next First Lady’s way, the world is to stop spinning on its axis, ASAP??!!!!! I’m tellin’ ya, the degree of entitlement never ceases to amaze.

  368. I cannot celebrate, not just because BO is corrupt, but as some other folks said, he and his supporters were racist in the campaign. He represents r@cism to me.

  369. I cannot celebrate, not just because BO is corrupt, but as some other folks said, he and his supporters were r@cist in the campaign. He represents r@cism to me.

  370. BB: – my remark wasn’t aimed at you. It’s just the doublestandards and hypocrisies that I find to be beyond the pale.

  371. bostonboomer, I wasn’t saying that you made any attacks! Sorry, I left for a while. I was referring to an earlier post. You have my respect, as you know.

  372. bb, p.s. I’m using some energy today to plan some support for Palin at a local women’s conference. I’m sure there will be some feminists who failed to stand up for Palin there.

  373. Did anyone else this it ‘odd’ that the news coverage only showed Chicago? Was there NOTHING in Phoenix last night? BO already had a stage built and everything.

    We in this country are nothing more than sheep led around by our overmasters in the Corporate run Media. BO was ‘elected’ a year ago by Wall Street and the MSM. Last night was nothing more than a formality, just like the Convention.

    I ache for what may country has become. And I ache for my daughter who will not know how great this country USED to be.

  374. edwardian,

    I didn’t take that way at all. You seemed to agree with me. I meant it most sincerely when I said I will need to focus on my own rights and freedoms. Next I’ll worry about my own family. I won’t have time to worry about people who have enough money and power to protect themselves.

  375. Cinie, on November 5th, 2008 at 10:50 am Said:
    …..This is not a milestone, this is a symptom.

    well put .

  376. That’s OK, purplefin. I understand where you are coming from. But I am a 60-year-old graduate student with student loans nearly as big as a home mortgage. I planned to work and use social security to give me a little extra. Now I won’t have social security and I don’t know if there will be any jobs. That’s my reality, so I can’t really worry about Michelle Obama. I do think she’ll be fine.

  377. RD, I think you are asking people to take the Soma. I refuse to be caught up in others’ falsely-based joy, and esp. not when a good part of it not pro-racial equality but anti-women.

    The celebrationsw are largely just the same as the campaign-time haka gangbangs, just writ really, really large. Some people certainly are celebrating genuinely (and deserve to) and did not join in on the nasty hatred spewed throughout the election. I’m happy for them (I don’t know any personally, but I’m trying to be optimistic).

    But a significant part of the celebration is at least a big yipee! at passing around Get Out of White Liberal Guilt Jail Free cards, and that poisons the well.

    When the first AA, Latino, gay, Native American or female is elected who represents real advancement toward equality, then I will celebrate the broken barriers. Someone email me when that happens.

  378. shetiger, on November 5th, 2008 at 10:52 am Said:
    There seems t be a new slogan among the PUMAS.
    “We will hold the “annointed” feet to the fire” ……

    Really, this gave me my first laugh all day. Like Barry will care what we do. LOL!

    What make us think that now that he has the power of the White House in his pocket that we will ever be near a fire to put his feet too?

    Exactly

  379. I’m so SORRY LGBT, my heart breaks for you.

    It mean’t alot that they gave you this freedom

    Just the beginning guys, just the beginning.

  380. bostonboomer, I truly hope you will have social security and any other means that you need. I will be applying for SS sooner than I thought because of economic reasons.

    I’m looking for a Palin button to wear on my Hillary sweatshirt to the local women’s conference this weekend. – just have to poke some consciousness.

  381. Wow, the PUMAs are eating their own. Sad, but the real truth is that you were betrayed. Not by the DNC–that was expected. It was your own Hillary Clinton who stuck the fatal knife into your collective back. BO owes his election to Hillary Clinton. And Hillary Clinton sacrificed her career (and the country) for BO. Why she did that is a mystery to me. Your dreams of Hillary in 2012 are over.

    Celebrate Obama’s blackness all you want, RD, and maybe that is the right thing to do. But in my opinion, this is what happens when you let unions and political correctness run the public schools and feed the kids MTV 24 hours a day. My own 19 year-old son called me yesterday to gloat over BO’s election. He said he thought McCain was “too old.” My son’s behavior and his complete lack of engagement on an intellectual level, like that of millions of other classless, clueless Obots, represents more than just cause for alarm. It represents the end of the United States as we knew it. It represents a profound rejection of the values upon which this country was founded. Say goodbye to liberty, property, free enterprise, free speech, personal responsibility and self-reliance.

    The Founders did not found a democracy. They founded a republic. Over the years, their Constitution has been dismantled piece by piece and the vote handed over to the uneducated and the lazy. This is the result. The election of Barack Obama represents not triumph over r@cism. Rather it represents the victory of demagoguery, misogyny, thuggery, intimidation, media manipulation and left-wing elitism.

  382. LOL Mike in Cali: “Uh, Obama is the product of an African and an American white woman. He isn’t decended from slaves. His only link to African-Americans decended from slaves is his skin color. So all this celebration and pulling up civil liberties history and quoting Martin Luther King is inappropriate in relation to Obama.

    Obama is still an empty suit, bought and paid for by corporate America, married to possibly the ugliest woman in America.”

    Too true. MEchelle disgusts me; it’s not just her looks that makes her ugly, it’s her attitude about America and sympatico with the likes of Wright and Ayers/Dohrn. It horrifies me that she is set to walk in the same line as Eleanor Roosevelt and Hillary Clinton before her. She isn’t even fit to scrub their toilets, much less represent America as First Lady.

  383. you must be kidding…celebrate a fraud…indeed obama has won..pathetic

  384. Some thoughts: RD’s post is sincere and optimistic. Critiques of the post are heartfelt , and many I agree with. However, instead of overcoming racism, I think this election will have driven it even further underground (except among the young who are the ones who seem to have really transcended this issue in their personal as well as political lives). For others, maybe not so much. Paul Luscsiak (sp?) has an interesting post up over at Corrente showing some very different analyses than those we have been hearing from corporate media. In a nutshell, in some cases it appears the higher turnout and near universal support of AA.s for Obama offset his worse than Kerry’s numbers among whites. Also suggests turnout may not have surpassed that set in 2004…due to lower percentages of whites voting. Interesting stuff, which if verified, would detract quite a bit from the meme of “post racial” election.

  385. Gotta write fast, helping break down an office for a local candidate today.

    I’m not one bit happy about this. Yeah, a black is President, but at the cost of subjugating and thoroughly disrespecting the women that year after year after year made the Democratic Party what it is.

    Sorry, but I think it’s just more evidence that a man – any man, no matter what color he is – outranks a woman in this country and that nobody will lift a finger to do anything about it.

    If you even notice or comment on it, you’re nothing but a ‘bitter old shrew.’ I’m adopting the Red Queen philosophy, bandied about here last night – nobody with a Y chromosome is getting my vote for a long, long, long time.

  386. So Riverdaughter,

    How do you feel now?

  387. RD: I get where you are with this. I agree on a certain level – the victory of having an AA in the Whitehouse is something. It is a celebration that the glass ceiling for AA’s HAS BEEN BROKEN. Truly.

    Now, for the rest of us minorities, not so much. The cost of the victory is personal for me. It has proven that sexism is alive and well – but most of us knew that before this race ever began. As for GLBT, they also know where things stand. It is still ok to berate us for being. It is still ok to blame us for things other people do. It is still ok to call us stupid because we dare to breathe.

    That is sad. I wish we all could have enjoyed tearing away the chains holding us down. I am glad one prisoner escaped – but it hardly seems fair that the rest of us were torn down even further to make that escape possible.

  388. jjmtacoma, on November 5th, 2008 at 11:47 am Said:
    RD: I get where you are with this. I agree on a certain level – the victory of having an AA in the Whitehouse is something. It is a celebration that the glass ceiling for AA’s HAS BEEN BROKEN. Truly.

    ——–

    Provided you too have full-court access to the MSM, the DNC party elites and $700 million to rig your way up the ladder — indeed, a triumph.

  389. riverdaughter, on November 5th, 2008 at 10:15 am Said:
    Have you been outside today and interacted with anyone?

    Yes, I have. When I walked into the building where I work, the AA security guard said ‘Welcome to the New World”

    So don’t tell me I should be happy about any of this.

    I started lurking on this blog because of how the primary ended, the way they treated Hillary and because it was refreshing to read intelligent commentary and opinions.

    This is the first, and only, time in over 13 years of being on the internet that I have ever interacted with others or posted comments and while I may lurk for a while – I’m done. I stopped commenting last week because I kept getting attacked by afrocity and now I cannot agree with the direction this blog is apparently headed.

    So, it was good meeting all of you and I wish you well in your own individual futures.

  390. “Palin didn’t win? That’s it, I’m running for President when I grow up!”

    ****************
    Thank you, sm77, for the only reason that I’ve found to smile this morning.

    gary and mawm, it breaks my heart that more attention wasn’t paid to Obama’s anti-gay agenda. I’m straight and it took me awhile to understand the significance of the right to marry for gays but I get it now. I’m so sorry that you and simofish and the other wonderful human beings, some of whom post here, are constantly confronted with messages such as Prop 8.

    RD, I wondered a year ago whether a black candidate could be elected president but I cannot appreciate this day. This wasn’t an election. It was a con. I’ve never doubted that the American people could be conned by a truly gifted crook. That the crook had dark skin means nothing to me. I don’t think it speaks any better or us that we elected Obama than when we elected GWB in 2004.

  391. PUMA’S: Biologically, we don’t know who is his parents are:

    We don’t know NOTHING, as far as being an African American: YES, otherwise, WHAT do we know.

    I agree with most here,

    It’s NOT ANGER, it’s sadness, I feel,

    Anger has been gone since the HIJACK on May 31st.

    JOY at what, the republicans didn’t vote for their own man, Hillary supported the very opponent who has single handledly destroyed her career (just give it time, he’s been pushing her aside from day one. Once he’s president, what do you think he’ll do)

    MY PREDICTIONS:

    First thing Presidend Obama will do is soften the strength of our military.

    Second: Either reassign Hillary Rodhma Clinton from the Senate or work against her winning in 2010.

    THIRD: RAISE YOUR DAMNED TAXES.

    YAHOOOO!!!!!!!—I couldn’t be happier.

    Everything he said he would DO——-(except HILLARY, it’s all been ACTIONS as far as she’s been concerned)

  392. Btw, there seem to be two Jeans posting here, today. My first post is at 12:04 and I’ve been posting here for a couple of weeks. Although I’m not AA, I agree with the other Jean’s 10:33 comment, wholly.

    I was very disturbed to see a post from “Happy Black Guy”. If this is the poster who’s been haunting pro-Hillary sites for months as “Angry Black Guy”, I’m really disgusted. Because RD didn’t lambaste Obama, now, he’s going to give some consideration to our issues?
    /snark

    That’s the best evidence that I’ve seen today that your original post was off-key, RD.

  393. any PUMA who is happy and celebrating Obama’s win is in serious DENIAL

  394. bostonboomer, on November 5th, 2008 at 8:17 am Said:

    “I don’t feel the pain I felt in 2004 when Kerry gave up without a fight. It took me weeks to get over that. I’m already over this. My pain and anger came last summer when Hillary and all who voted for her were stabbed in the back and the party threw us overboard.”

    Right. For me it was February 2. But okay, on to the 30-percent solution and “Yes You Are” (a feminist)

  395. Dear Riverdaughter, thank you for your post on this day of grieving again what might have been. You demonstrate a wisdom that moves beyond our passions. The political process in this country has brought us to this place. We PUMAs have provided a strong voice of reason and the need for reform in the Democratic Party. We will continue this.

    To the many who have been agitated by her comments, let me point out that Riverdaughter has spoken for herself, not for you. She has also spoken in a way that has brought up strongly your disappointment and your own grief. I want to support both Riverdaughter in her magnanimous comments as well as all of you who have responded in unbelief.

    Riverdaughter, you have given so much of yourself to the PUMA cause. There is no doubt in my mind what your deep beliefs are. You have taken a step toward pulling yourself together which has looked at the state of the world as it now is, and found what beauty you could find. Brava.

    We will all of us grieve in our own way this day, but we will engage with a new reality from this day on.

  396. michelina, on November 5th, 2008 at 12:12 pm Said:
    First thing Presidend Obama will do is soften the strength of our military.

    Correction: First he will give asylum to his illegal-immigrant aunt.

    Second, he will screw up everything — from the military to taxes to health care. He will not follow through on the infinite fluffy campaign promises made.

    Third, he will blame someone else. That’s his MO.

    Brace yourselves folks. Its going to be a bumpy ride!!

  397. In our struggle to make sense of this election season, many feminist PUMAs rediscovered suffragist Alice Paul. Today I am looking back even farther, to the Reconstruction era, to Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony.

    We know that in the struggle over the 14th Amendment, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans would embrace the enfranchisement of AAs AND women. The fragmenting of the abolitionist-woman’s rights coalition also split the feminist movement, isolating the Stanton-Anthony wing for a generation. Meanwhile, the 14th Amendment introduced the word “male” into the Constitution, enshrining sex discrimination as the highest law of the land.

    Stanton wrote that women were praised for supporting men, but as soon as women spoke up for themselves in the political arena, they were bitterly and mercilessly attacked, not least by their erstwhile allies.

    It was during this desperate struggle that Stanton penned the motto “Never Another Season of Silence,” which has been taken up in our time by the reproductive rights movement and modified by LGBT/AIDS activists (Silence=Death).

    Stanton and Anthony started their own journal, The Revolution, its motto: “Men, their rights and nothing more. Women, their rights and nothing less.” Today, The Revolution would be this blog.

    It took 70 years to pass the 19th Amendment, but as flawed as the 14th Amendment was, and despite the bitter struggle that led to its adoption on the backs of women–the 14th Amendment became the bedrock of many of the civil rights we fight for today.

    Angry and grieving as I am about the inexcusable misogyny, delegate intimidation, and caucus fraud of this election–and the mainstream silence about these abuses–I am inspired by RD’s and Johnny Mac’s gracious and honorable words. No, r@cism (and r@ce-baiting!) are not over, and neither are sexism, ageism, and homophobia. I will fight for the rest of my life to smash the highest, hardest glass ceiling still in place.

    Alice Paul’s ERA was originally called “the Susan B. Anthony Amendment.” I will fight for it as I did 30 years ago. I will fight for the first woman–I pray she will be a feminist–to become President. And I will fight for full civil rights for LGBT even if it takes a Supreme Court decision or a US Constitutional amendment.

    Here at The Confluence, The Revolution continues. Stanton and Anthony did not see woman suffrage, but they knew it was coming. As Anthony said:

    FAILURE IS IMPOSSIBLE

  398. From Dr. King to this?

    Dr. King united. Obama, divides.

    I’m sad that he exploited Dr. Kings legacy of sacrifice, non violence, love of fellow man to cheat his way into the White House with fraud in the primary, illegal donations, ACORN in the G.E. and most of all the way he corrupted the media.

    None of that would have been a thing to do with Dr. King’s dream.

    But this is what we got. A second rate, consolation prize.

    Now it’s time to hold his feet to the fire. The blogger boyz will go back to their lives now…and as months go by they too will be totally let down by this fraud.

    I’m in fear for our future election process. Axelrod, was able to use his psychopathic scorched earth tactics to give this “fake” win.

    Last night after the “ONE” gave his speech, “Wag the Dog” came on right afterwards. Someone out there in media land gets it.

    we had two candidates in this race, and one puppet. The puppet “won”

  399. riverdaughter: glad you could recognize and participate in this historic moment. I was with a friend whose two kids are both in uniform, overseas. She began crying because they now know that they are fighting for a country that is fully, truly, theirs as much as everybody’s.

  400. Women are still slaves. This country is still built on the backs of women and women’s unpaid domestic labor. Women are still separated from their children and subject to beatings and rape.

  401. Violet at http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2008/11/04/the-road-is-long/#comment-20976
    speaks for me:

    [i]Violet says:

    I don’t watch TV, so I’m spared the teary hyperbolic displays. It would make me gag.

    But it doesn’t surprise me. The rules are different for women than for any other oppressed group. Consider if the shoe were on the other foot: if this were the election of the first woman president, but she’d won by waging a grossly racist campaign against not one but two African-Americans. A campaign where the word “nigger” became the standard term of reference for the two AA candidates. A campaign where the AA candidates were ridiculed and slandered as shiftless and lazy and dumb, where the historic nature of their achievement was completely denied.

    In those circumstances, would African-Americans be expected to put all that aside and weep with joy that a woman had finally been elected President? Of course not.

    In a patriarchy women are expected to abase themselves utterly. But I don’t play by that rule.

    NOVEMBER 4TH, 2008 AT 11:33 PM EST[/i]

  402. catarina,
    Thank you!!!!

    If not denial maybe they were never really PUMAs. Why would I celebrate that someone who is a cheat, liar and a fraud just won election (read appointment) to the highest office in the land.This is a sad day for democracy not a triumph for any U S citizen.

  403. “laney: Have you been outside today and interacted with anyone? How could you NOT be happy for the nation? ”

    HUH??? RD, YOU HAVE DRUNK THE KOOLAID!!

    QUICK – STOMACH PUMP NOW!!!

    Every see the expressions on the Germans’ faces who worshipped Hitler? Did you ever see THEIR PRIDE? THEIR HAPPINESS? They, too, unwitting and unknowing, selected a leader who “restored their pride”, promised them a brighter future, promised to lead them out of economic disaster and a dismal international standing.

    WOULD YOU HAVE SHARED IN THEIR HAPPINESS BACK THEN, AND EVEN CALLED FOR OTHERS TO DO SO??

    GOEBBELS/AXELROD were successful.
    Reason to “CELEBRATE”????

    Time to acquiesce????

    I agree with posters like garychapelhill, madamab, afrocity and the others brilliant & spirited people here who have NOT lost/given up their perspectives and continue to call this obscenity of an election for what it truly is.

    Goodnight!

  404. The race narrative serves one purpose: to divide us

    Maybe RD is worried about being audited next year.

  405. RD-You may not read this as it is at the end of the comments. Just got home from work and trying to catch up on my favorite site, or what used to be that.

    I am so very disappointed to see this! I so much respected you, but this is just more than I can take! I agree with what others have said and won’t repeat the reasons. This is the saddest day we’ve had in America in many, many years! We’ve taught our children it is OK to lie, cheat, and steal! How can you support that, RD?

    The knife in my heart just turned one more time when I read this!

  406. I of course didn’t read all the comments but the ones I did get through are not happy about the turn out. Where the heck were you people yesterday. Are we the only ones who are not happy about the election?

    I don’t care that he is black because it shouldn’t be about race. It is just kind of troublesome when a motivational speaker/author can become president.

  407. Regardless of if it shouldn’t be! It is always about race, that is reality.

    Lies! Lies! are you kidding me? what human has not lied? what president has not lied? Has this administration lied about the reasons for going to war in IRAQ. You folks looking for a higher standard than human standard?

    Motivational Speaker,David? like maybe Ronald Reagan the actor?

    Were all of you naysayers happy with all of the past presidents that had plenty of experience and were not motivational speakers! They were all soooooo successful! Give the guy a break, as he said lets be the “United States of America”.

    Sounds like a bunch of sour grapes, whaaaaaaa, whaaaaa

  408. I remember all of it, more than 40 years ago. We still fight the same battle in Canada for disability rights. I feel like a 60’s re-tread.

    It’s a special week and year.

  409. I am stunned by your post, riverdaughter.

    The media wanted a feel-good story, and they set it up to happen.

    There is nothing to celebrate here. Nothing.

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