(speaking for me only)
- We Are Still Here!
(Note to self: I am too old to do shots of Southern Comfort with PUMAs in New York. Owwwww, my head!)
I understand the nature of the historic moment that many of my friends and family are celebrating. It is indeed a powerful statement about America, that we have finally elected an African-American man to the office of the Presidency. I want to shout out to my stepmother, who worked so hard on Obama’s campaign in Virginia. Knowing her belief and energy, I am quite sure that the massive turnout in her county was largely due to her efforts.
But as a woman, I have nothing to celebrate today; because Barack Obama chose to have his moment at the expense of another historic moment. And he used every nasty, misogynistic, Republican trick in his toolbox to do it.
I desperately hope that I am wrong about what kind of President Barack Obama will be. Based on the evidence of the past 21 months, however, I am not optimistic today.
Yet…there is still PUMA.
According to an MSNObama exit poll I saw last night (which would be a low figure, as they do not and cannot poll everyone), 14% of Hillary Clinton’s 18 million primary voters did not vote for Obama. That’s about 2.7 million PUMAs.
Think about that. We started on June 1, 2008, with no money and no central organization; a true grassroots movement; and we are, at the LEAST, 2.7 million strong.
We could not swing this election due to the astonishing turnout Obama managed to inspire, but that does not mean we are not here and ready to continue our efforts to promote fairness, social justice and gender equity in American politics. And I also hope that we can stop the demonization of each other and realize that our agreements can be stronger than our disagreements – if we choose to let them be so.
Today, I believe that my main focus will be promoting women to positions of leadership, aka the 30% Solution. I look forward to working on that with The New Agenda. But I also hope to continue to promote accountability for the Democratic and Republican Parties going forward. Given my new less-partisan standpoint, I am in a better position to do so personally. And if PUMA becomes a third party or simply a more powerful voting bloc, I will be thrilled to join that effort as well.
But for now, PUMAs, rest and recover. We have a lot of work to do, and I want you to know, I’m still here, I’m not a Republican operative, and I’m not going anywhere.
PUMA POWER!!!
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We Are Still Here!
Indeed.
I object to the phrase “misogynistic, Republican trick” on the grounds that John McCain and Sarah palin ran an honorable campaign.
“misogynistic, Democratic Party trick” is apt.
Republican is the new “R” word, pop-you’re right.
Maybe we have to try and stop that.
“And I also hope that we can stop the demonization of each other and realize that our agreements can be stronger than our disagreements – if we choose to let them be so.”
[just for emphasis 🙂 ]
poplicola – Obama used Republican talking points against Hillary – even recycled Harry and Louise, that fucking fuck.
catarina – I understand, but I am referring to historical right-wing memes against Bill and Hillary that the Obama campaign deliberately used.
No rewriting of history here. The Republicans tried to destroy the Clintons for 16 years.
I totally getcha, madamab.
I agree madamb, but I am also working on Gay Rights. Women and gays were thrown under the bus this election.
Just want to thank you for being the voice of reason through this difficult election. You never waivered. I am going to dismantle all the political blogs this week- all but yours and one more. I wish President Elect Obama well and will be a good steward to the Party. I will definitely not give up the fight for Hillary to run again and for her to be given a fair and honest chance to win.
Thank you from my heart.
Nan
You F*cking Betcha madamab!
Nan — what is the f’ing other one?
You said – “But as a woman, I have nothing to celebrate today…”
As a lesbian I have even less to celebrate today.
alexei – You are so, so right. Good for you!
angienc – LOL! You are killing me!!! (in a good way)
Will we ever know the number of PUMA’s that voted for McCain?
Dee – it was a double whammy for you. I’m so, so sorry.
Extra hugs to all our LGBT PUMAs…you deserved so much better as well…
Madamab,
Well said and well done. PUMAs will not go gently into that good night. I am sure we will be causing Obamanation many sleepless nights.
48 – It will be hard to determine the exact number. I’m just going from exit polling data.
The thing is, a lot of PUMAs re-registered as Independents or Republicans before the GE. Also, some Dems (like my husband) did not identify as PUMA and still voted for McCain.
I understand what you’re saying, but the Democratic Party and Sen/ Obama used this, and won with it. They own it.
I hope Obama can rise to the occasion too, but since he’s failed to rise to any previous occasion, I’m not holding my breathe.
Today we had a fire drill at work and we, Anti-Obama
people just grouped together outside. Many Ron Paul supporters have become good friends of mine. They respect and appreciate PUMA. They even like Hillary now and wish that she was our President. A year ago
who would ever think that people of opposite agenda
would group together as true Americans refusing to be a part of Obamanation. I will always be a PUMA and there will always be PUMA. I admit I’m going to take a “cat nap” for a little while. It’s been a long year and a half for me since I joined Hillary’s Campaign.
I am proud to be a part of PUMA and am proud of all of you for standing up for truth.
jsvp
I get your point. Lets call it a “misogynistic, political trick”
I was hoping that the first AA president would be more akin to MLK or Nelson Mandela. Obama is a thug. An otherwise beautiful moment is wasted on him.
I wonder how quickly his supporters will realize that–as usual–Obama is more concerned with getting elected than getting anything progressive done. His entire tenure as president will be marked by a pronounced angling to get re-elected. Does anyone really believe that he’ll appoint a progressive to SCOTUS? And risk losing votes. Ha.
Today is a sad day. Obama is elected, and every anti-gay measure on ballots in various states passed.
Obama could have used all of the enthusiasm around his campaign to advance gay rights.That would have been change. Instead, he defined marriage as between a man and a woman (a bit that was replayed in YES on 8 ads) and put homophobes on his payroll.
mr lipstick on a pig is our president
he is beyond disgusting
i feel sick
poplicola – I understand what you’re saying too.
I agree that the Dems own it now, but they didn’t then. Going forward, we will never forget that the Dems ratfucked their own Party to push their selected nominee into the Chief Executive’s seat.
The Republicans tried to destroy the Clintons for 16 years.
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Then why congratulate him? He acted no differently than the worst of the GOP. Did you congratulate them when they succeeded in impeaching Bill or turning Hillary into a joke?
Honestly, I don’t get it. This is a disastrous result. I spent the past few hours with someone who’s thrilled with his election and I felt no need to say anything positive to her about it. I have no need to pretend that this election is any more legitimate than Bush’s was in 2000. Your post and riverdaughter’s similar post feel like capitulation to me.
The American people didn’t overcome their racial issues yesterday. They had already done that. We didn’t have a way to measure it but we would have been better left to wonder than to have it proved by electing this misogynist/charlatan.
Is that haiku?
I know that the DNC thinks that they do not need us, but what happens when Obama is not on the ballot. If 90% of the AA population does not put its all into electing the DNC candidate, the DNC is f*ucked. (For you Angie, I hope my kids don’t see this. My son is still talking about myiq’s pumpkin mooning picture from last weekend) Anyway, the DNC may have won this time, but they can not kiss away 2.7 million hard campaigning, hard contributing, hard blogging members of the electorate without paying a price. I would be surprised if someone at the DNC doesn’t know this already.
poplicola – I understand what you’re saying too.
I agree that the Dems own it now, but they didn’t then. Going forward, we will never forget that the Dems ratfucked their own Party to push their selected nominee into the Chief Executive’s seat.
AND …. (?)
marisa — yep, the GLBT community isn’t getting a f*cking unity pony.
It kills me that so many of the GLBT’s voted for him. They were thrown right out on the very day of the elections. The AAs will not be far behind.
— we arent only defending people who agree with us politically are we>? Well, Im not.
Jean – I am congratulating him because he won. That is what people do, even when they hate the result. Obama did what I thought was impossible, and a lot of people are very happy about it. I feel it’s necessary to acknowledge that.
I don’t support him, and I am not happy, and I don’t think this will be good for America.
I think that’s pretty clear.
Alexei, Dee
Yes – LGBT’s were thrown under the bus and we will just work harder to change that.
poplicola, on November 5th, 2008 at 3:27 pm Said:
– we arent only defending people who agree with us politically are we>? Well, Im not.
Someday we may have no one with whom we disagree to defend.
poplicola
haiku only
on
cold medicine
poplicola – No, of course not. I am wondering about your reading comprehension.
What about this did you not understand?
Is the the first time you have read any of my posts? Have I ever defended the Democratic Party’s tactics in this election?
I don’t think so.
That doesn’t mean I suddenly think the Republican Party is great, or have amnesia when it comes to how badly they treated Hillary and Bill. I am more open to them now, and I don’t think that their voters are automatically evil either.
Jean — I heard a soft “f*ck you” under that Congratulations — but that could just be me.
So Franken lost, that means the Dems didn’t make it to 60, right?
70% of AA’s voted in favor of the gay marriage ban in both FL & CA. Not sure of the state in AZ. They voted FOR Obama, and AGAINST gay marriage.
Sigh. I’m depressed today. Marketing and thug methods prevailed. I feel very alienated in my own country.
So, it’s still true?
I just woke up.
Not a happy gay woman this morning. As angie says, “F*CK EM”.
Don’t worry, folks. Despite the campaign slogan, nothing is going to change. It’ll be more of the same–and most especially more of the slow erosion of our national character and our way of life.
The Dems didn’t make 60, but Franken is protesting the results, and they are doing an investigation into some polling “irregularities.” He only lost by 500+ votes.
popicola — madamab doesn’t agree with a lot of Palin’s political views, but madamab was one of her staunchest defenders from sexist attacks by the msm & Dems. Please read madamab’s voting strategy post.
YOU GO MADAMB: based on the 21 months of this BS, I stand with PUMA.
I wish I could feel the joy of the supporters of Obama,
I cannot. I wish President Elect Obama well,
I’m not sure he feels the same towards us.
ONLY TIME will tell, and only TIME heals what hurts us most.
God bless you Senator Clinton, for all you’ve shown us, and all the hurt, and all the fight they tried to take from us.
We’re here to STAY!!!!
Puma POWER !!!!!!!!!!!!((((((((PUMA LAND)))))))))))
I received the following from a Canadian associate who I haven’t really spoken to, obviously, for some time. I wrote her a long and detailed record of why I could not and did not support BO. But it is tragic to me to think that people all over the world may also be thinking this way.
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“Yesterday the American people participated in record numbers in the greatest act of optimism and hope that the world has seen in a very long time. Around the world we witnessed extended line-ups of people who participated in a strongly-worded, strongly-felt clash of ideas and visions.
And it was so much more than that.
Barack Obama declared that he will listen, especially “when we disagree, I will listen”. Is this not the bravest act?
Many cynics are probably thinking, yes but he hasn’t done anything yet. It will probably end up being business as usual. Nothing will really change.
But even the cynics will not have failed to notice the stirring in their own hearts; that the door is now open. The possibility is there.
This was an election where negativism and personal attacks did not win! When either side resorted to the “tried and true” character assassination approach, it did not have any magnetic power over the people.
Barack Obama understood and responded to a deeper need. Who would have thought just a few years ago that hundreds of thousands of people in the US would be evicted from their homes? That so many were going to lose their lives in Iraq? That the financial system itself would almost collapse? That it would become unacceptable in America to go bankrupt because you need medical treatment?
He touched all of our unspoken desires. To live in the world of the possible, where all good things can happen, where it DOES concern everyone and everyone is truly engaged. It is our job to make the world a better place.
John McCain also understands this! In his concession speech he spoke about Barak Obama: “that he managed to do so (become the next president) by inspiring the hopes of so many millions of Americans who had once wrongly believed that they had little at stake or so little influence in the election of an American president is something I admire and commend him for achieving. This is an historic election.”
This is what true charisma is all about. Tonight I will be speaking in Berlin and my topic is “Presenting with Charisma.” As of this morning, November 5th, 2008, I have thrown out all my notes and my carefully-crafted slide presentation. Instead I want to speak about what happens when you touch peoples’ hearts and make them see beyond their noses, beyond their current realities. What happens when you make them actually feel, actually believe that good things can happen. That change IS possible.
If leaders had only one important function, it would be to inspire others; to bring out even more than the best we can be, even more than each of us thought was possible, to galvanize us and to bring us together.
Whatever you are doing right this moment, perhaps you are now exquisitely aware of how important you are to everyone you know and everything you do. That is what this is really all about.
This election is an invitation to you to get involved, to be engaged in the things that really matter and to take the lead.
I look forward to hearing from you.”
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She may not be looking forward any longer. I am sad.
angienc – I congratulate you on your excellent hearing.
🙂
mr lipstick on a pig is our president
he is beyond disgusting
i feel sick
catarina: lol! Right there with you sister.
scrubs — pursue the rest of my f*cking posts today if you have the f*cking time and/or inclination! LOL
Honora, the DNC is more convinced than ever that they do not need us. I, however, am equally certain that i don’t need them. The one liberating thing to this entire experience is that I am no longer DNC-codependent.
angie – pursue or peruse?
Welcome to the film show, scrubs! Today’s song can be found here (not suitable for minors).
The so much for an enjoyable evening of jazz… 😦
Just saw that Michael Crichton died. That’s sad – I liked his writing.
Here in Chicago Obama did not show up at the Gay Lesbian parade that is such a big event here. People from all over the country came to it. Obama was in town but had to get his hair done, and play basketball that day. He has shown over and over little regard for anyone other than himself, or anything that does not serve some end-game of his. I wish him well as his good is now our good. But I am not holding my breath.
but
Self-loathing is something you need to address.
I love System of a Down!
Madamb – you should have done the Fiddler on the Roof congatulations:
May God bless and keep Obama… far away from us!
;o)
Is this the “but” who was YOULOSE last night?
madamab — LOL!! 🙂
fif, Obama will pull the plug on the “investigation,” I betcha. lol What a convenient excuse for the continued Republican enabling do-nothingness of Congress.
I have no need to pretend that this election is any more legitimate than Bush’s was in 2000.
That’s exactly where I am, and have been since May 31st. He is illegitimate, and not my president. You cannot cheat your way into office, and then claim moral authority. I hope the country is ok, but I could care less about him.
scrubs — sorry! meant peruse not pursue!! LOL
but, on November 5th, 2008 at 3:38 pm Said:
Here is the problem…
You pumas pushed every sic and twisted rumor and lie to try and take Obama down.
From Wright, Ayers……
Wright and Ayers aren’t rumors or lies
Good one, jvsp:
I’m just a little bit, bit, bit shame.
Not that they need one, since they could just say, “We need 100 votes,” and Obots would scream, “penises!” and everybody would enjoy a good laugh and go off to cut SCHIP or whatever.
From yahoo:
I’m not sure his bots will understand his reneging on his promises.
but, is your name spelled properly?
Seriously: when have we EVER seen him take an unpopular, principled stand? I have not seen him do a single thing to stand up for anything that did not benefit him politically. Adversity reveals character. What character has he shown in the past 24 months? He kept going–I’ll give him that. Of course, he needed intermittent vacations, and whined a lot too.
fif, on November 5th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
here, here
Hey, what about Ayres? He could replace Bama and then we could groom him to be our next nominee. Unless he’s been visiting Sweden of late, he’s still qualified as far as I know.
Breaking News? – There are reports on NBC and Drudge that Obama has offered the Chief of Staff position to Rahm Emanueal and their is speculation That John Kerry mat get the SOS nod. LOL. Change you can believe in.
fif, do you think that he will top Bush/Reagan at number of vacation days taken? Maybe we should have a pool! Fundraiser for Hillary’s debt!
C’mon, who’s going to vote against Ayres? You put a Republican or pprimary challenger sign in your lawn and your whole family dies, your neighbors will think twice. I think we’ve found a nominee America can’t refuse.
fif said, “70% of AA’s voted in favor of the gay marriage ban in both FL & CA. Not sure of the state in AZ. They voted FOR Obama, and AGAINST gay marriage.”
I think we are going to see what we called in Chicago the Harold Washington coalition fall apart. This coalition, in effect since the start of the civil rights era and which brought the city’s first AA mayor to power, was of “lakefront liberals” and AAs against the working class Bungalow Belt. It was always a very awkward coalition, as the two camps share so few social mores aside from civil rights, and often have opposed interests. Republicans have wondered for years why more religious African Americans don’t vote GOP, but their own r@cist appeals did in their efforts to woo this electorate.
However, now that the coalition has achieved its ultimate goal, it is newly vulnerable. The passage of Prop 8 and other anti-LGBT results show major cracks in the coalition, cracks which Republicans or Democratic rivals will try to exploit.
Far from entering a post racial era, we may see some heating up in relations as resentment over Prop 8 and other conservative wins abetted by AA voters boils over.
I bet old Bill still knows how to build a mean bomb.
You pumas pushed every sic and twisted rumor and lie to try and take Obama down.
From Wright, Ayers……
There ya go…proves my point. This will not change now that he has the prestige of the presidency, expanded powers, and a compliant Congress. People have been willfully blind through this entire process. Don’t forget–there are still plenty of people who think Ronald Reagan was one of the best presidents we’ve ever had. WE invented Wright????? How unbelievable is that? This man made millions off of HATE SPEECH, as Obama sat in those pews regularly for 20 years, and WE are the ones twisting and distorting that? I don’t know how I am going to repair my lost faith in this system and the ignorance of voters.
Just curious – how does the replacement of Biden and Obama in the Senate work?
It seems that this election has shaken up the republicans. I read a number of posts in which republicans and conservatives debated whether, in order to survive, need to take a look at their platform and separate themselves from the religious trappings of their party, especially after Obama won a very large amount of evangelical votes in spite of his positions on abortion.
It seems that younger evangelicals are no longer tied to the abortion, and gay planks of the conservative platform.
The discussion centers around the need to separate the party from these issues and leave them up to each persons own conscience, but instead develop the platform around social, fiscal, and national security issues.
Contrary to the belief that having one party in power is the absolute best thing that could happen, we need the second party to be part of a checks and balance system.
It is a positive sign that these rep/conservatives are discussing these issues. Additionally, many, many of them said they voted the ticket because of Palin, not so much because of her positions as she was very centrist in AK and one mentioned that AK has some of the most progressive LGBT rights (I haven’t compared to other states so I don’t know if this is true) but because she had experience, governed well and did not let her personal beliefs get in the way – she was honest and integer.
If the above actually inspires change in the republican party then we may see them fight for women and the LGBT community –
someone has to…
I got that part and I have read many (hundreds, dozens?) of your posts, and respect your evenhandedness. I’m in part argumentative in general for any and no reason today in the process of winding down at the abrupt end of a long campaign. Don’t take it personally. I’d probably argue with a book at this point.
As I see it one result of the nasty misogynistic campaign winning is that that behaviour is rewarded, not with a celebration, or an award, or money, but with the sacred trust of the Presidency of the United States.
During the campaign, so many handsful of shit were thrown that some stuck in voters’ minds. Im no longer going to ignore anyone slipping in Dem or Rep or Ind or whatever when describing dirty tactics. That’s all. I’m too tired to edit this to clarify that I dont meant that you were doing that, just saying that when I see it Im calling it out.
(speaking for me only again)
You know, it seems to me that we can say Obama is not our president until the cows come home. I said it for eight years under Bush. I never watched him, I never listened to him. I screamed and yelled about how he didn’t win legitimately (which he never did IMHO).
What good did that do me? I’m not sure. I think it may have allowed me to be blinded to the lessons of Bush, which the DNC picked up and ran with: cheating, lying, stealing, buying the election and the divide-and-conquer strategy are the way to win the Presidency.
Perhaps if I had accepted and processed the reality of the situation, I might have foreseen the fix in 2004. I might have thrown off my partisan blinders a lot earlier. And I might have been a more effective activist because of it.
Just thinking out loud here.
Replacements are named by the governers of their states.
jvsp: over 4 million hits on this UGLY music——
I’m too old for shots and this shit they call music.
I don’t get it——
The NYT is fellating Obama. Its editorial: “The Next President
Barack Obama won because he saw what is wrong with this country: the utter failure of government to protect its citizens.” I about spit out my coffee. The guy who voted for FISA, tossed out UHC and looked the other way over misogyny and the trashing of gay rights will protect American citizens? I don’t think so.
Good point ugsome. How are the lefties going to feel about their new coalition members’ values based voting? Of course, they made excuses for Obama’s homophobic behavior too, so…
CNN reported last night that 85% of Hillary supporters voted for Sen. Obama???? How would they know that?? They made it up!?? Thinking that if they had to say those numbers they must be worried about who we are and what we can do in the future???
fif, they mmade excuses for FISA, for the unraveling of UHC. There is no gaffe that the true believer cannot excuse and/or displace.
Thanks chat. So we should get 2 more Dems – wonder who they will be? Since Biden also won his reelectin for Senate yesterday, I wonder if his replacement gets to stay the whole 6 years.
I know, I’m an idiot about these things.
looking for integrity wrote, “.., especially after Obama won a very large amount of evangelical votes in spite of his positions on abortion.
It seems that younger evangelicals are no longer tied to the abortion, and gay planks of the conservative platform.”
The New Yorker and others have noted that a new crop of evangelical leaders and their congregants are more socially liberal than the old. However, in reading about them it’s clear that they’re open to discussing anything–racism, global warming, whatever–except women’s and gay rights. They are still as “pro-family” as ever,” meaning that the patriarchy is OFF the table, thank you very much.
F*ckers.
poplicola – I get it now. I apologize for misunderstanding you. :
-)
We are all on edge and understandably upset today.
Just heard an interesting possible turn of events … Convicted Ned Steven’s wins re-election to his Alaskan Senate seat (he’s ahead by a slim margin with 99% in) and the GOP convinces him (gives him a deal) to resign. Since the governor would get to select his replacement Sarah would appoint herself and Mrs Palin goes to Washington!
Is this old news?
“The Next President Barack Obama won because he saw what is wrong with this country: the utter failure of government to protect its citizens.”
In what way? Economically? Say what you will about Bush, but we haven’t been attacked since 2001–someone is doing something right re: national security. What has Obama done to “protect us?” Oh never mind…it’s the ObamaTimes.
scrubs: yes, the replacement is appointed for the duration of the term. Sometimes a congressperson is moved up, others are from within the state government.
madamab,
I live in a mostly white city that has a mostly black political and civil service structure. I wondered how close it would be but I haven’t thought that it was impossible that a black man be elected for a long time.
angienc,
You know madamab better than I do and I hope you’re right.
whoops! That was supposed to be a smiley face.
LOL
I don’t know how true this is:
Heard on Pumapac. Ayers CALLED the MEDIA and told them he would be joining Pres elect OBAMA in Chicago for his Party.
That is the FIRST SLAP in the FACE, for anyone who has any kind of Non-koolaid thoughts.
god help us, if it is true, and it probably is, Ayers isn’t exactly DISCREET !!!!
We are told we now have to pretend Barry is in charge of anything …and people like Kerry will actually be SOS, not just play one on TV. It’s too funny. Because it’s a cardboard government . I don’t know whoes running things, but it sure ain’t Barry and Kerry!
Barack Obama won because he saw what is wrong with this country: the utter failure of government to protect its citizens.”
NYT
I feel like I’m looking at the Weekly Reader new round up I got in grade school . What’s next? Barry the rail splitter? Move over Lincoln, Barry is taking over all
US myths.
paper doll, on November 5th, 2008 at 3:42 pm Said:
Obots wouldn’t know a f*cking rumor or a lie if it bit the on their a$$
The State Department is infested with Condi’s girl cooties. I hope they’re working on that as we speak, I wouldn’t wnat the guy who rejected UHC for that reason to become infected when he tried so hard to stay pure. If he does get infected, well, without UHC…it’s a vicious cycle….
Jean – it wasn’t the skin color part that I thought was impossible, it was the fact that he had no experience or accomplishments and had run such a nasty, divisive campaign, alienating millions of Democratic activists from his camp. I didn’t think he could register enough voters and make them show up at the polls in order to make up the difference.
I’m sorry but I cannot congratulate him, his supporters or the Democratic Party. It would be like congratulating a bank robber on his/her newfound wealth.
Love that SOD!
“Heard on Pumapac. Ayers CALLED the MEDIA and told them he would be joining Pres elect OBAMA in Chicago for his Party.”
And then while they were distracted covering the event, the Chicago Tribune building errupted in flames. Hmmm. Calling it in first fits his MO. (I kid!)
Donna said we weren’t needed and to say home. Guess she was right. Thanks Acorn
I heard today that Rahm Emmanuel and HRC loathe each other. Just to give an idea of how “influential” HRC will be in this new administration.
Seriously – LOL!!!
John Kerry as Sec’y of State. Hmmmm….maybe he will bore the foreign leaders into submission!
“shots of Southern Comfort with PUMAs in New York”
When? This weekend? I could do Saturday night. I would love to meet other PUMAs.
y’all are expecting way too f*cking much! They gave us the black guy to “prove to the world how post-f*cking-racial” we are — and now you want UHC, 4th Amendment rights, equal rights & fair elections? Call again in 40 f*cking years.
in 2004 not only did MORE republicans show up, but they supported their candidate 3 % pts more. The same # Dems supported the republican candidate in both years.
SOD: I also read earlier that it was the AA vote that was critical for Obama’s win, not the white vote–so much for Americans getting beyond r@ce.
fif- DITTO!!! How can you congradulate a guy who lied, cheated and stole this election, and others?
scrubs57
In Chicago it works through forms of nepotism. Obama does not want his seat to be lost to African-Americans so he is rumored to have proposed to give it to Jesse Jackson Jr. There have been rumors that Blagojovich would like to give it to Tammy Duckworth, who in my view (she is an Obama supporter) is the better choice of the two Obama supporters: she is a wounded war vet, a part Native American, a moderate democrat, a woman and has worked tirelessly for veterans in Illinois.
There is a third option but I don’t think she will be part of the final cut.
fif, they always overlooked their coalition partners’ social attitudes because it was politically expedient. AAs gained the additional votes necessary to achieve power and upper-class white liberals gained a means to divide and conquer the working class (which is what the whole “good whites who save people of color from bad whites” cultural narrative is all about.)
I think there’s going to be a shift in the power balance in the coalition. It’s going to be much harder to manipulate coalition allies through liberal guilt now that an African American has attained the highest office in the land. In fact, I’ve wondered whether there isn’t an undercurrent of hostility to white support for Obama: “Okay, we gave you a black President. Now STFU.” (My only data points are the resentment that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton’s grandstanding generated, and the fact that all those votes for Giuliani came from somewhere in that very liberal city.) The Sharpton-type demagogues, the AA clergy who act insulted when gay rights are called civil rights, AAs who fight women’s rights, will be called out more often now.
Thanks, SOD. I wanted to see those numbers but really could not bring myself to go to the sites where they may have been.
Last night I made a comment that I was pissed off at the wingers because I didn’t think they had done their part. Now I see that it is true.
Only 11% of Dems voted against BO, though.
It’s a shame, those low turnout numbers.
I’ll tell y’all what — I haven’t watched a daytime soap in a long f*cking time — the acting really sucks. Thank God Judge Judge is on now — she’s a f*cking PUMA.
looking for integrity: nah, Duckworth has teh v@gina which disqualifies you in the new Democratic party, doncha know.
SOD — your fighting a losing battle — aol had the headline: BO wins in historic landslide — f*cking lying POS aol.
Did everyone see the Prop 8 exit poll analysis?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/proposition-8-e.html
Blacks supported Prop 8. Such hypocrisy.
That’s what I mean by he is illegitimate and “not my president.” That does not mean I won’t be vigilant. Quite the contrary, now I know I can’t trust either party. My concern is with the control and manipulation of information. If most people are uninformed, and the media now decides who our candidates will be, how can we ever make a difference? The Obama campaign have created a template for future candidates to follow–it’s all about the marketing. I still don’t understand the monolithic media support though–it was unprecedented and relentless.
Dow closed nearly 500 points down today.
Word on Emanuel must be getting out.
“and now you want UHC, 4th Amendment rights, equal rights & fair elections? Call again in 40 f*cking years.”
LOL
Hey, what happened to Hope?
When and where is the party on Saturday night?
With 100 percent of precincts reporting, the Minnesota Secretary of State shows Coleman eking out a 725 vote victory over Franken, pending a recount.
I used to think that there’s no way a Democrat could get away with cramming a pre-emptive, unilateral, war based on fixed intelligence down the country’s throat and then out a CIA agent when he’s caught in a lie pushing that war in his state of the union.
Now I’m not so sure.
Battlecat: I posted that earlier–in FL & AZ too.
Put the throttle body in Coca-cola overnight. That’ll loosen the spine grommets.
Well, my PUMA resolution is to run for City Divisional Committeeperson here in Philadelphia. Its the very bottom, but you have to start somewhere. I think I’m going to hire Angienc to do my press releases.
Thank God Judge Judge is on now — she’s a f*cking PUMA.
lol!
Oh, battlecat, don’t get me started on this again.
I’m going to go take a shower and go to work and see my lovely patients and try to temporarily forget this madness.
Have a good day, all.
angie, I hope you feel better. You know that down here in Australia, the schoolchildren call one another their “twin” if they have the same birthday. So, you are now my twin.
Obama supporters must think that if Obama sends a text message to China and Japan, they will they forgive our national debt and give us free Sony TVs and blue jeans.
Sharp folks, those kool aid snorters.
Battlecat: not hypocrisy to them. Many are quite socially conservative.
“a woman and has worked tirelessly for veterans in Illinois.”
So two absolute disqualifiers, then…
SOD: I am “unaffiliated” and so is my sister, also a PUMA. They don’t know how to quantify us or even who we really are. They won’t tell the truth about it, even if they do know.
Sorry I’m so cynical today. Losing twice in a short span of time to someone I despise has taken a lot out of me.
SOD – Notice the Repub vs. Dem #’s in 2004 vs. 2008.
2004 – 37% R, 37% D
2008 – 32% R, 39% D
It was definitely a massive registration effort and a party switch on a countrywide scale. Thus, the Dem turnout was historical, but the total number of voters was about the same.
Typical corporate media BS.
Fif – I hear you! I know what you’re saying. I think one of the most important things for us PUMAs going forward is to be a reliable source of information. The fauxgressives were supposed to do that, but they decided to throw the truth away in order to support their Messiah.
ugsome
I can dream a little. I really respect her (except for her support of Obama). I’ve been posting for years against the war from the beginning and she caught my attention early on because she’s a fighter.
But you are right, BO owes the Jackson family big time.
Go, Micki!
Seriously, on November 5th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
lol! I’m only laughing cause it’s true. If you are a woman who actually does something , you are
wayyyyyy disqualified.
Battlecat – it was last night! But I would be happy to have a PUMA cocktail party in NY when we have all recovered a bit.
🙂
Independent (29%) 52%Obama / 44% McCain
SOD: looks like the Independent count was way off this year though, not just the 3% Republican vote. That may be the Palin factor–because she was too conservative for Indys.
What was the final electoral count?
John Kerry most definitely wants the SOS position. It’s just a matter of how indebted Obama feels to him.
Speculation is running wild here in MA over who would fill Kerry’s seat. Joe Kennedy has expressed interest, Ted’s wife Vicki is being discussed- though it’s likely she will take over Ted Kennedy’s seat someday when he is no longer able to do it. Most bizarre is talk of Gov. Deval Patrick stepping into the Senate and relinquishing being governor. That’s if he does not go into an Obama administration position. Basically, MA politics is in tailspin right now.
oh yeah – WAY TO GO MICKI!!!
Now that is the way to do it. Congratulations, you fierce PUMA!!
Thanks Julies9164. I woke up today with the horrible feeling that I was irrelevant and I said f@ck that. That is why I need to hire Angienc. She has obviously mastered the use of the word.
interesting, oceancitygirl…still does not look much like “change” to me, LOL!
I think one of the most important things for us PUMAs going forward is to be a reliable source of information.
madamab: I agree. I have no idea how to do that on a scale that will make a difference against the wall of electronic media, but thinking of strategies is a place to start. Outside the box. I feel badly for the Real Dems who blanketed PA & OH with a dedicated grassroots outreach for months, and it obviously did not counter the O illusion. I still can’t fathom what happened in those two states. I know the Philly turnout was huge for BO, but there had to be working class voters in those states who actually voted for the candidate who repeatedly insulted them. I mean, for god’s sake, Murtha won!?!
🙂 I wish you lived in Philadelphia so you could sign my petition.
madamab
There don’t seem to be any such reliable sources. Both MSM “sides” have their own slant and repress stories when advantageous.
I thought RCP was one at the beginning but was sorely disappointed. I guess one solution would be to blogroll various “sides” and let people read through them themselves.
After 9/11 when I knew Bush was going to sell us on something I went to papers and sites in Europe and the Middle East and Asia, trying to get a complete picture. Because the foreign media was just as in the tank this time I couldn’t get that same picture. So I went to media and blogs that represented all parties.
I thought the replacement was only until a special election was held?
madamab, that’s exactly it. We have zero change, just a reshuffling of who sits in what chair.
fif–if you look at the electoral map, the SW corner of PA was razor thin. A hell of a lot of people voted BO. Westmoreland Co was strong for McCain, and most of the tier counties that I checked (the infamous T). But i think BO took PA by like 12 points. So, the BO machine did its work with shockingly good results.
oceancitygirl, on November 5th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
the voter is taken completely out of the equation of course. Joe Kennedy has expressed interest . US Senate seats are mere pawns and gifts to be given by the King
Seriously –sorry I’m behind on the thread cause I’m watching Judge Judy.
You can HOPE all the F*CK you want — you ain’t getting anything else but the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT!
Sorry I missed the cocktails. I was devastated last night. Still trying to look on the bright side (Supreme Court, UHC, etc.), but Prop 8 makes it all the more difficult. I’m at least hoping for an Obama administration that includes Clinton and Gore.
How about Congress? Are we getting any closer to the 30% solution?
I thought RCP was one at the beginning but was sorely disappointed. I guess one solution would be to blogroll various “sides” and let people read through them themselves.
After 9/11 when I knew Bush was going to sell us on something I went to papers and sites in Europe and the Middle East and Asia, trying to get a complete picture.
looking: good idea. I wanted advice on the best places to get the news since I have completely boycotted the MSM. I don’t want to stick my hed in the sand and be uninformed, so it would be great to have a source of multiple viewpoints.
scrubs — ok twin — but I’m not giving away the f*cking year.
fif –
I feel badly for the Real Dems who blanketed PA & OH with a dedicated grassroots outreach for months, and it obviously did not counter the O illusion. I still can’t fathom what happened in those two states. I know the Philly turnout was huge for BO, but there had to be working class voters in those states who actually voted for the candidate who repeatedly insulted them. I mean, for god’s sake, Murtha won!?!
Me too! I do not get how Murtha called his own voters r*cists and they still elected him. He may have been unoppsed or running against a truly unacceptable R.
Ohio is somewhat mysterious to me, but remember that ACORN was very busy there, and the Sec’y of State allowed hundreds of thousands of questionable registrations to go remain unchallenged.
Battlecat — poor Battlecat — there is no bright side — no f*cking UHC, no nothing.
One good piece of news: my Hudson Valley (NY) Congresswoman, Kirsten Gillibrand, was re-elected, defeating Sandy Treadwell, who had tons of money and tried to bully her out of her seat. She’s 44, was a staunch HRC supporter, and voted against the bail out 2x on principle, because it did not include a housing solution or enough oversight. She’s very independent and principled. Watch for her in the future.
SOD That’s right – just like my rep colleague said today “it’s our fault”.
Not in line w/ the thread, but within the last hours I remembered how positively radiantly joyful people were when the cardinal from Poland was chosen for the powerful Pope position. My family is not catholic, but Mom was born in Warsaw and parents were SO happy. I was happy because they were happy. But he seemed like a supremely intelligent man.
I understand the AA joy, but am still angry at my AA friends because this was clearly NOT a supreme man in any favorable way, yet they turned in a supremely favorable woman for this dim opportunist.
Murtha got re-elected the same way BO got elected — say it slowly — voter f*cking fraud.
Me too! I do not get how Murtha called his own voters r*cists and they still elected him. He may have been unopposed or running against a truly unacceptable R.
His opponent was a young guy, but after Murtha’s comments, the R was way ahead in the polls. I don’t know what changed. I DO know that Murtha has brought A LOT of money in earmarks into that part of the state, so that might explain it.
SOD – well-said!
Battlecat – we got Jeanne Shaheen in NH, who replaced John Sununu.
I will have to look at all the races when I am feeling up to it, to see how many women, if any, replaced any men.
Do you think the Obama people would be congratulating on their websites if McCain and Palin won?
I have to get some work done. I thought maybe after the election I would be more productive, but here I am again, licking my wounds with my friends 🙂
Thanks for listening, be back later.
fif – I was so happy to see that! That is good news indeed.
And, in Yonkers, of the four Dems up for election, three of them were women. So I got to vote for a lot of ladies last night.
cbn – LOLOLOLOLOL!
Thanks for the laugh.
That is why PUMAs are awesome, and Bots are loathesome!!!
Micki — LMAO — I’m behind on the thread ’cause of Judge Judy — yeah, hire me to write your press releases — you will not even be able to get elected f*cking dog catcher! LOL
angienc, if O can’t deliver on any of his promises, then he’s out in four years. And he’s made a lot of lofty promises out of both sides of his mouth.
The election was really a referendum on Bush. There was so much Bush derangement syndrome – and a well-timed financial crisis – that the Republicans got hammered.
How long do any of you think it will take for the pundits, MSM, “journalists,” and the blogosphere to acknowledge the sexism and misogyny that permeated the past two years?
FLVoter – It depends on how hard we try to make that happen. If we wait for them to do it on their own, the answer is “NEVER!”
NEW POST UP!!!!
That is why PUMAs are awesome, and Bots are loathesome!!!
True, but I’m tired of being awesome. 🙂
WE WERE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My thoughts are up in the next post if anybody wants to read.
Obama overplayed his fucking hand with the race card to rile up his base — after all, he himself said they ere bitter, r@cist, cling to their guns — he needed a white guy to call the PA voters r@cist too — Murtha fell on the grenade — making it that much more f*cking “real” by the threat that Murtha was going to lose his seat — all the while assured that he would get the same # of manufactured votes that BO got from that area. That’s how political farce is written.
“Do you think the Obama people would be congratulating on their websites if McCain and Palin won?”
No, not at all, cbn. They are *still* attacking her.
FLVoter – it will never be acknowledged by them. It’s *our* job to point it out and condemn it.
fif, on November 5th, 2008 at 4:03 pm Said:If most people are uninformed, and the media now decides who our candidates will be, how can we ever make a difference? The Obama campaign have created a template for future candidates to follow–it’s all about the marketing.
This is so true. Most people don’t pay attention, they only see what the popular media wants them to see. I know people who liked Obama and hated Palin. Why? Because of what they saw on the cover of US magazine, Obama wonderful, Palin a hick idiot. That is all they knew and they are proud of their ignorance. This is why I really don’t like the whole ‘get out the vote’ thing. I think we should be more about educating voters.
celeste – DEFINITELY! Educate voters and you get better decisions.
Please, everyone go read SM’s post above. You will cry, but in a good way!!
So it’s the GOP who stayed home — were these the die-hard Bushies?
I don’t congratulate cheaters. That’s just the way I roll.
I am amused by people who woke up this morning believing this country had elected a Democrat.
It did not. This country has elected, by his own admission, another Reagan. He will govern from the right, and will hold onto power over time by pandering less to the Democrats who elected him and will eventually become disappointed in him, and more to Republicans. This will be reflected in his stances on energy, the environment, privacy, gay rights, and health care, among others.
I am amused by women who woke up this morning and believed they had elected a candidate who is good for women.
They did not. Obama has yet during the two years of his campaign and even now to float the name of even one woman for any powerful position in his administration. He has refused to address women directly, paid them less, or dismissed them. He will assign women token, but not powerful, roles.
I am amused this morning by those in the GLBT community who believe they have elected a liberal sympathetic to their interests. He will hold onto power by appealing to those in this country who are either indifferent to or actively hostile toward gay people and their rights. He will appoint no openly gay or lesbian person to any prominent position in his administration. He will assign gays and lesbians not even token responsibilities.
I am amused by nearly all Democrats today. It’s rather like children running around on Christmas morning, and not realizing how much of that large, wrapped box they think is theirs is stuffed with styrofoam . . . peanuts.
Good luck, America, my beloved home.
so, any women named for Obama’s administration yet??
Oh, wait.
Michelle is the pres, does that count?
The best we can hope for is Social Secretary, catarina.
votermom, I think that it was the die-hard Bushies who contribute to McCain losing.
I read a quote from Ann Coulter yesterday that said McCain was more a democrat than a republican. She and many die-hards felt McCain wasn’t republican enough.
The article went on to indicate that many republicans spent valuable time bitching and moaning about McCain as their nominee, and not enough time trying to organize and outreach to voters in support of him.
The GOP didn’t become effective on McCain’s behalf until Palin was named as VP. Then the base got involved, but by then it was too little too late.
The Obama campaign had a well oiled machine running full speed and any lost time for the republicans to ramp up just helped Obama.
No: they feared the REFORM platform McCAin and PALIN based their platform on:
STAUS QUO: will stay STAUS QUO:
Good news for TODAY:
PUTIN threatens the US——get out of POLAND or we get you out: Agreements on the cold war agends re: Nuclear power, OFF the TABLE
LGBT: had won their rights as citizens who pay taxes and are not invisible have been lost in two STATES:
CA and FL.
We’re on a ROLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!
the fix was in from the start. the corpmedia selection won.
24/7 pro-BO anti-mcpalin spin takes its toll.
a single yeah (spin: scream) by dean carried thousands of times – at exaggerated volume level – by the corpmedia was enough to derail his run. yet almost no negs on BO were given a nanosecond of coverage. this was truly an ‘american idol’ election, supported by the corpmedia worldwide.
but PUMAS etc have one area where they can still be effective. cancel subscriptions to newspapers and cable, switch off the free-to-air networks and get busy organising locally to bring about change.
i’ve closely monitored the last 3 presidential elections and can’t say the process is democratic. i can’t even say the final results are accurate. all that money (incl illegal contributions by the tens of millions, much of which goes into the coffers of the corpmedia) and all that effort which goes on for nearly two years of each presidential term, plus the money and effort of campaigning for the mid-term elections, is obscene.
then come election day the corpmedia insults voters further by quoting exit polls collected by associated press (aka the corpmedia) and tries to further influence voters who haven’t already been indoctrinated by their coverage, or even voted in the western states. helloooo!
when mcpalin – without any corpmedia support – looked dangerously close, republican heavies, including those in the corpmedia, came out for BO. yes, the fix was in. sites like this tried their best to bring some sanity to the process, but the powerbrokers won.
take down the corpmedia. best wishes to you all.
Sorry: Voter MOM:
repost:
No: they feared the REFORM platform McCAin and PALIN based their platform on:
STAUS QUO: will stay STAUS QUO:
so, any women named for Obama’s administration yet??
Well, he’ll have to choose at least one woman since he will need someone to iron his shirts.
Rahm Emanuel for Chief of Staff? The Chief of Staff sets the tone for the cabinet and the whole administration. Rahm Emanuel is the man who jumped on a table after the 2006 election and basically, did what the pundits called a ‘Dean’ by screaming ‘Fuck you Republicans, we won!’ (something very near that) erroneously in front a reporter.
In the spirit of bi-partisanship and reaching across the aisle…. wouldn’t picking Emanuel for Chief of Staff be the same as saying “Fuck you Republicans, we won” ???? oy.
But this is BO’s modus operandi with everyone, walden. First it was FU to Hillary and to women, now it’s on to the rest of the world.
Can’t wait to see how this works with Putin.
so, any women named for Obama’s administration yet??
Doubtful!
Back here in MA, Carolyn Kennedy is mentioned for either: an ambassador (likely to England as her grandfather Joe P. Kennedy was), attorney general (though Deval Patrick has been discussed in that role too), and also as a potential Supreme Court Judge nominee. I find them all laughable rumors. Well, maybe not the ambassador one. However, with her helping Obama out with the whole VP search and all, she could get something good if she wants it.
Political patronage is alive in well in the new Obama-nation.
congratulating this guy would be like congratulating someone who broke into your home, stole everything, then told you about it. No thank, no props for barry, sooner or later his lies and works will catch up to him, and when it does it’s going to be ugly.
God bless America and please have mercy on us for picking an idiot to ruin…er…run our country.
so wait-we worked our asses off for McCain/Palin and the motherfucking conservatives DIDN”T VOTE?
Can someone post a link to this info, please?
catarina see my post
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/the-bipartisan-candidate-not-enough-pumas-bwa-ha-ha/
Madamab – I agree 100 per cent that post partisan is the way to go. There are many fronts on which PUMA power can be effective. Right now we have to see which fronts emerge as the most appealing/effective ones. For now, for me personally, I am writing posts reminding the President-Elect of what I believe he owes us. Not that this will get us anywhere immediately but because even small drumbeats are drumbeats that can grow into a cacaphony.
Enjoy your new outsider status, sore losers. You can help the Republicans rebuild their party, because you never were Democrats in any sense of the word. See you in 2010.
If the election of bHO marks the beginning of the restoration of standing for Americans among the other countries of the world after the bush fear years, it was worthy. Even Gloria Steinam described herself as a slut from Cincinatti. She wasn’t cherished by a wise father or spouse. She didn’t know any better. The women of the “other side” didn’t understand their value, weren’t ready to be part of history. Let us take this demonstration of playing the hand you’ve been dealt with conviction and work on it for the next time. There are no tries. Just do it.
Thank you partisane!
Thank you so much for providing us with an oasis from the storms of yesterdays and the storms that await us with the OBAMYOPIC presidency.
The tremendous disrespect and diminishment of Sen. Hillary Clinton by the Obamabotic campaign and the Axelrod Dirty Political Sewer Machine of Chicago will give pause to any sane “Democratic” woman from voting anyone but a Puma or Third Party alternative next time.
But how can you say 2.7 million of Hillary’s voters. I think the commentator said “16% of Hillary’s supporters” and that would be HALF of all Democratic voters! We’re looking at many many more million Pumas than what we currently think is the meagre number!
We can safely say that if Obummer got 53% — then l5% of that would be around 8 million voters pro-Puma!
This is great news we can cherish.
The misogynist media frat-boys and the Obama campaign’s Sexism Tacticians stole the nomination from Hillary and pushed Barry/Hussein to a fraudulent ‘finish line’ of superdels.
Soros and Brezezinsky chose the Manchurian candidate Obama to give a facelift to the Empire of Dubbya. They succeeded.
Congrats to the “Historic First” of an AA President. But what about the “Historic First” of Hillary’s candidacy? Why was she so demeaned, degraded, demoted, despised and diminished by the Obaba supporters and by The Chosen One Himself?
“Periodically, Barack will feel down, and start launching attacks against women (via camouflaged misogyny) to boost his Washington appeal….”
Can hear that heavy baritone inversely commensurate to his weightless anorexic resume yelling….
“Back to the end of the bus, ladies….” and soon we’ll be breathing the toxic fumes under it….where BHO thinks we really belong!…Zeus have mercy!
SM77
15% of Hillary’s supporters represents 15% of those voting Democratic ticket. Therefore, we are looking at close to or more than EIGHT MILLION–8–PUMAS!
This is one animal that grew and has guts and paws and strong claws and passion to climb up the mountain and protect her female cubs from destruction by the Obamyopic neanderthals now playing their JayC rapper-wannabe sexist lyrics and exercising their hoop-la whilst snortin’ their stuff @ Hussein.WhiteHouse.com
Let us try to work on the idea begun in the last weeks of the campaigns when moderate R’s and moderate D’s realized that we don’t have to agree on everything to agree on the most important things. Maybe it is time to rachet down our individual agenda a little to build a coalition that actually beleives in a country to works for everyone. That is what most of us beleived in. The election was a juggernaut aimed at lazy Americans who just wanted to feel good about themselves. I am not sure what you do about “stupid”, but we should be able to do something about educating the electorate and fielding candidates who also beleive in fairness, honesty, integrity, who knew, those silly basics that we lost a couple of years ago.
I am reminded of how often the US would go into a country and set up a friendly government, supply them with arms to fight a common enemy and then find them poised at our jugular a few short years later. It would appear that we did the same thing two years ago when we catapulted Nancy Pelosi and her friends into power. The majority of Americans did the same thing yesterday, and they will find it out in a few months. The real challenge will be for us to find a way out of that trap, hopefully, before they start discussing a change in term limits.