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PUMA – A Brief History (Part II)

In our last episode I gave an outline of the pre-history of PUMA.  I wasn’t trying to write a detailed history, I just wanted to make a rough sketch and I thought I could do it in a single post.  But even though I broke it into two pieces and there was a lot I left out it was still pretty long.  I was totally blown away by your responses.

I ended Part I on June 1st which was the day SM (aka sm77) coined the name Party Unity My Ass.  It was intended as a joke but Riverdaughter put it into a post and within days it had gone viral.  Darragh Murphy, Will Bower, Heidi Li, Diane Mantouvalos and Alegre are just a few of the people who helped to form our “rebel alliance” and the JustSayNoDeal coalition.  I’m leaving out lots of people who deserve recognition and credit, but this is supposed to be a “brief” history.

The core of PUMA was and is Clinton Democrats, specifically Hillary supporters.  I call myself a liberal and eschew the name “progressive” but regardless of labels the vast majority of PUMAs are left-of-center politically and were either Democrats or independents.  Because Hillary’s core constituency was women PUMA has a similar demographic but it is not exclusively female nor is it focused entirely on “women’s” issues.  But the sexism and misogyny directed at Hillary and Sarah Palin have certainly been strong motivating factors for most PUMAs.

One of the pieces of misinformation (lies) being spread about PUMA is that it is a GOP ratfucking operation.  If that was true then those Republicans must be devious indeed.  They would have had to plant moles in the Democratic party two and three decades ago and had them pose as loyal party activists until this year.  They must have infiltrated Left Blogistan and positioned their operatives as prolific lefty writers at dkos and other blogs.  They must have told them to pose as Hillary supporters early in the campaign having somehow foreseen the meltdown of the progressive blogosphere.

Maybe Karl Rove is a diabolical genius and told Donna Brazile how to rig the election in favor of Obama knowing that Hillary’s supporters would be outraged and positioning his operatives to take advantage.  But when you really think about it, for PUMA to be a GOP ratfucking operation then Rove would have mad skills, because he would have had to either foresee or manipulate so many events.

Now it should be noted that when PUMA exploded onto the scene there was no one in charge of membership and we weren’t having people fill out applications and doing background checks on everyone who wanted to join.  Undoubtably some of the people who began to show up had ulterior motives and hidden agendas.  We know that many who joined under false pretenses were Obama supporters because they have since been exposed and given the boot.

The original PUMAs were united in two main goals – electing Hillary Rodham Clinton as the Democratic nominee for President and defeating Barack Obama and the corrupt DNC cabal that supported him.  Although some of us held out hope until the Demcratic convention that Hillary would be the nominee, others were pessimistic about her chances.  The pessimists were correct, the fix was in.

The emotional high point for PUMA (so far) was when the DNC was forced to put Hillary’s name on the ballot and hold a roll call vote.  PUMA was the driving force behind that effort, but the DNC simply rigged that vote as well.  PUMA had a large contingent present in Denver and several were interviewed by the media, although the interviews weren’t always friendly.  PUMA was involved in helping to expose the caucus fraud that allowed The Lightbringer to gain the early lead in pledged delegates, and has raised money to create and run anti-Obama ads in swing states.  All in all, that’s not too bad for a paranoid band of shrieking holdouts.

The official end of Hillary’s campaign and her endorsement of Teh Precious caused an identity crisis for PUMA.  Some PUMAs felt they should follow Hillary’s lead and support Uh-bama, while others chose to focus on electing downticket Democrats.  Some PUMAs have chosen to vote for John McCain next Tuesday, hoping that Hillary will run against him in 2012.  Others will be voting for third-party candidates or NOT (nothing on top) voting.  A few pathetic cases showed a complete lack of principle by choosing to slurp the Kool-aid only after some polls showed Obama with a clear lead.

Many PUMAs reregistered as independents but many of us are still Democrats.  I spent over 20 years as a “yellow-dog” Democrat and I am still registered with the donkey party, but if Teleprompter Jesus wins next week I am through with the party and will reregister as an independent. 

That’s a “brief” history of PUMA up to this point.  There is lots that’s missing, particularly YOUR stories.  If you didn’t already do so in my last thread, please describe briefly when you joined PUMA and why you joined.  Include a little bit about yourself and your politcal background, party membership, etc.  If you feel there is something important I left out, tell me what it is.

If you do that, I will compile it into a single volume that will be the definitive story of PUMA (so far)  That assumes, of course, that after the election I am not hauled off to Gitmo and waterboarded with Kool-aid.

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134 Responses

  1. Now, I am NOT o/t.

    RE: The misrepresentation and lack of knowledge of what went on in the Democratic Party this year and similar misrepresentation of and ignorance about those who find it unacceptable:

    That Baruch bloggers panel I mentioned – when I wrote about it I followed my policy of not saying something if you don’t have something nice to say. One of the other panelists who during the panel burst out with “I’m going to have a heart attack” when I said that I thought ALL Democrats should conscientiously abstain from voting for Sen. Obama has not put up this – http://www.blogher.com/obama-prime-time-commercial-what-did-you-think-hillary-supporters-please-dont-abstain#comment-67061

    The post and the comments are not too impressive – the writer of the original post admits she does not know Democratic Party rules or procedures and all that matters to her is that Barack Obama win, but she does a disservice to all Democrats who disagree with her. Consider checking it out and leaving a comment.

  2. This is a wonderful post, MyIQ2xu — thank you for getting our story out to the world.

    I am one of those lifelong Democrats who’s been told (by total strangers and a few “friends”) that I’m really a Republican and a racist.

    And I must admit that the accusations have had some effect — I do find myself re-evaluating my commitment to NOT voting for Obama. The pressure is that intense. But, EVERY time (almost like magic) Obama puts out some disgusting ad (Usually trashing the idea of “Government run Health Care”) that makes me firmer than ever to my convictions.

    So really the only question is: Who (or what) will get my vote? I’ve never been uncommitted before. It’s a weird place to be.

  3. This post is a great idea becuase I have a feeling we’ll be written about a lot more after Nov. 4th.

    Heidi Li, going there right now!

  4. I was a dedicated Democrat since I was old enough to vote and voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976. That would be 32 years of voting only Democrat for POTUS.

    I contacted the DNC and the state branch on June 2, asking them to remove me from all mailing lists, and telling them to consider me an Independent, as I believed the Party had added the final straw when they solved (???) the FL and MI issues on May 31st.

    Prior to joining PUMA, I had primarily frequented the blogs at HillaryClinton.com, and received e-mails from Ed Hale. I was lost when Hillary’s website changed from a Hillary site to a support BO site. I floated around for a few days, and eventially found the PUMA website, and then the other Just Say No Deal sites. I have been home, primarily as a lurker, ever since.

    My husband and I will be voting McCain on Tuesday, in protest of the DNC’s coup of the election. My 15 year old son continues to appose BO to his friends at school, many of whom have changed their support during the past several months. Who knows – maybe they will change some of their parents support as well. My 10 year old also talks against BO with friends at school. It’s never too early to grow a thinking mind.

    Go PUMA!!

  5. I became a PUMA the instant I read about it here on RD. I’m a lifelong Democrat. My father was a union leader back in the fifties, sixties, and seventies and I remember my first experiences campaigning for Bobby Kennedy. I was eleven years old and passing out leaflets with my dad and making phone calls.

    I moved to VA from WA this past summer. In WA, I was a Kerry caucus delegate in ’04, and a Clinton delegate in ’08. I know, first hand, how undemocratic the caucuses are. Several of my relationships with family members (all of them men) are damaged beyond repair since I have been literally screamed at and called every name in the book by people I thought loved me, because I am not voting for Obama. This election cycle has opened my eyes to the misogyny which was always there, but burried deeply enough that I never noticed it before; and that’s just referring to my family.

    I am proud of my Democrat roots and I am sickened by what has happened to my party, but I will not be bullied into voting for Obama or turning my back on my fellow PUMA’s. If my dad were alive, I’m sure he would be proud of me.

  6. I’m a lifelong Democrat who got thrown out of my party as an undesirable, so the disunity came from them.

    Obama sent up a bunch of red flags. He talked about the Social Security “crisis.” He let his constituents freeze in the Rezko buildings. He said Republicans had good ideas like deregulation. He wouldn’t call himself a liberal, or even a Democrat. He had no accomplishments, no paper trail. And who thought it was a good idea to run someone from Chicago?

    Beyond that, he presented himself as a uniter and then proceeded to divide the Democratic base, setting black against white, young against old, men against women, white collar against blue collar.

    I donated to Hillary, and when I’m tempted to ask for my money back, I remind myself that her staying in till the end of the primaries exposed him as unqualified, untrustworthy, and rejected by more than half the Democratic voters, and exposed the party muckamucks. Crooks all.

  7. My PUMA experience has been very similar to others’. I was repulsed by a progblog’s devolution into Obotia. I could not say anything nice about Hillary without being called horrible names. I left and never went back. I hung out on TalkLeft until they drank the Kool-Aid, then I really felt I had nowhere to go.

    I realized in late 2007 that Obama was complete and total narcissist. My first clue was when he recruited Oprah to campaign for him. Oprah is a celebrity who knows nothing about politics. He simply used her popularity to draw huge crowds, then pretended they were all there for him. My enthusiasm for him, never strong, took a huge nosedive, and has continued to plummet to Bushian levels.

    My early support for Hillary was merely because I thought she would be able to handle the GOP smear machine better than any of the other candidates. (How ironic that idea seems now!) Her hawkishness was always a problem for me, but as I got to know her better through her speeches and actions on the campaign trail, I became one of her biggest fans.

    Thank you, sister SM, RD and all the amazing Conflucians for creating this movement. You have truly preserved my sanity and provided a safe haven for me.
    PUMA POWER!!!

  8. October 30th, 2008 12:05 PM Eastern
    And how about the Sunshine State? Florida? another Battleground state? You can be dead 23 years!
    by Greta Van Susteren

    Why don’t we just pick out of a hat? At least if we only put two names in a hat, we know the process without worrying about being flim flammed by our states with their incompetence or corruption! At this point, the more and more I read about the incompetence or corruption the more I would prefer to leave it to luck rather than corruption and incompetence. I hate to dig any deeper into this because the more I dig, the more terrifying it becomes to me as to how bad our system is! (Am the only one ?)

    Check this out…the latest, from Florida, yes a battleground state:

    On Fla. vote rolls: Dead, duplicates, ineligible felons
    Florida Sun Sentinel

    Thursday, October 30, 2008
    FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Mattie Lee Blitch has been dead 23 years but she’s still registered to vote in Palm Beach County.

    Recent college graduate Brett Ackerman is registered three times in two counties.

    And convicted felon Joseph Muro just signed up to vote — from a state mental institution for the criminally insane.

    With balloting well under way in the general election, the Sun Sentinel found more than 65,000 ineligible and duplicate voters on Florida’s registration rolls.

    That includes at least 600 dead people, 32,000 voters registered more than once and a growing number of convicted felons — now more than 33,000 — who by law should not be allowed to cast ballots…

    http://www.gretawire.com

  9. Wow, two Conflucians headed my post upthread and already the silly thread at the other site is improving. Thank you, friends and allies. We have to correct the silliness.
    RE: The misrepresentation and lack of knowledge of what went on in the Democratic Party this year and similar misrepresentation of and ignorance about those who find it unacceptable:

    That Baruch bloggers panel I mentioned – when I wrote about it I followed my policy of not saying something if you don’t have something nice to say. One of the other panelists who during the panel burst out with “I’m going to have a heart attack” when I said that I thought ALL Democrats should conscientiously abstain from voting for Sen. Obama has not put up this – http://www.blogher.com/obama-prime-time-commercial-what-did-you-think-hillary-supporters-please-dont-abstain#comment-67061

    The post and the comments are not too impressive – the writer of the original post admits she does not know Democratic Party rules or procedures and all that matters to her is that Barack Obama win, but she does a disservice to all Democrats who disagree with her. Consider checking it out and leaving a comment.

  10. For me the emotional high point (or better yet low point) was on May 31st when the DNC effectively nullified every single vote cast in the primary. I will never forget that day, nor any of those complicit in the most undemocratic action in the history of this nation. That day will go down in the history books. I was ashamed to have ever called myself a democrat that day.

  11. I read about pumapac the day after it formed (from the NYT Caucus), read the ideals, felt it was a worthy cause so I made a donation and began to lurk. I lurk mainly here and on occasion I continue to lurk over at pumapac.

    I don’t join in to the discussions often because I am not, nor have I ever been, a Democrat. I am “no party affiliation” and will continue with that designation for the rest of my life. I have never voted for a party, rather my vote has always been based on the person and his/her experience and platform.

  12. Heidi – I gave it my best, excuse my French, but she’s a MORON!!!!!!!!!!

  13. Gary:

    I am a pessimist and thought there was no way they were gonna let Hillary win the nomination at the convention, but the rigged roll call vote was the low point for me.

  14. I allied myself with the democrats when Bush pushed Iraq, I felt it was a mistake. I naively believed the democrats would put a stop to Bush’s shenanigans. I watched as they not gave him a written permission slip to stomp all over the constitution and loot and pillage because it might have required Miss Manners to breach etiquette. I have watched them sit idly by while millions go without insurance and people like Kerry insist that solutions like nationalizing care are “off the table.” I have grown angrier and angrier day by day at what is and isn’t being done in our names. This primary cycle was the straw that broke the camel’s back and solidified my decision to become an independant. I will not vote for someone who needed to cheat in the primary to win. I will not vote for a person who demeans people who think differently then he does. I will not vote for someone who time and time again shifts his positions like the wind shifts direction. I just won’t do it even if his policy positions are closer to mine then McCain in word. Id’ rather go with the guy who I feel is often flat out wrong but honest then the guy who has shown to me that he has no compunction with doing and saying anything to win. How you play the game does matter. I won’t be a hypocrite by telling my kids that and then voting for someone who clearly demonstrates the opposite.

  15. sm77, on October 30th, 2008 at 2:33 pm Said:

    Agreed about the writer, and your best was fabulous!

  16. Somebody might want to leave a link to this post here at the Confluence on that thread so the readers there could educate themselves.

  17. CWaltz, on October 30th, 2008 at 2:37 pm Said:

    Right on!

  18. I was a denizen of le Grande Cheeto for about four years when the Obama cult took over the orange place. I was an Edwards supporter (he fooled me) but when he dropped out before Feb. 5, I voted for Hillary. I had grown to admire her after watching he in the debates and I hated the way she was treated at DK. By that time, I knew I could never vote for BO because of his age and race baiting and his cozying up to homophobes. I also just had a really bad feeling about him.

    So when the cult takeover came, I started going to other sites like Talk Left and Corrente. It was through a Lambert link at Corrente that I found The Confluence. That was sometime in February. When I got here, Katiebird, Pat, MABlue, UpstateNY, and a few others were already here. The first post I read was RD’s invitation to Kos escapees to join her. I kept coming back and soon The Confluence became my home page.

    I was here the night that SM posted her Party Unity my Ass comment. Shortly afterward, RD put up a front page post about it. The rest is history. In no time SM’s brainstorm went viral, and we were reading about pumas we had never heard of–there were even articles in the foreign press. It was exciting. I can’t believe it has been only 5 months!

    Myiq2xu, thanks for writing up the history of PUMA.

  19. I read the thing Heidi and was not very impressed. All the writers “welled up” watching Obama speechifyin’. If that’s all it takes for them to get moisture in their eyes that’s pretty sad.

    If he gets in, I would like to see those posters in about 3 to 6 months after he’s elected to see how they like the results.

  20. Gary,

    I’ll never forget that day and how you and Mawm kept us informed of what was happening. The next day, RD posted the video of Harriet yelling and screaming after the meeting. That was so cool! I’ll never forget Mawm shouting “Lipstick on pig!” and being written up in the Washington Post.

  21. Carol, on October 30th, 2008 at 2:41 pm Said:

    Pat this one’s for you!

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/30/some-things-never-change/

  22. OK, I need someone to talk me down. My 2nd grader just came home and said that one his classmates asked him who he would vote for and when he said “McCain,” she said “McCain wants to kill people.” Are people so totally insane that they would indoctrinate their kids with such bullsh!t?? I have already called the principal once about this who’s voting for whom stuff in class. We have secret balloting in this country for a reason.

  23. Fredster, on October 30th, 2008 at 2:42 pm Said:
    Agreed, those folks are not impressive. But they are very, very plentiful and we need to educate them. At the blogging conference one of the issues raised was whether blog-readers, writers, commentators only talk to likeminded people. The members of this group and PUMA Pac do not – the reader of Blogher’s politics writer Morra Mele seem to. We have to force them to look at facts. Morra Mele actually said at the conference that there are no such things as facts or truths!

  24. From: http://www.johnmccain.com

    For Immediate Release
    October 30, 2008 Contact: Press Office
    703-650-5550

    Hillary Clinton Supporters And Women For McCain Leadership React To Barack Obama’s Attack Ad “His Choice

    http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/Read.aspx?guid=b1e6fba9-9d4e-4294-a22b-dffdc508ddfb

  25. OK, I must be a bad person and an unregenerate curmudgeon because I found this pretty amusing.

    I especially love the excuse offered up by the boy’s father: “his son just wanted to see how the sign was put together”.

    Well, now he knows how it was put together, I think.

  26. I arrived in March, following a link from Corrente.

    I had never commented on any of the blogs before I came here, just lurked. I felt comfortable here. It also helped that ronkseattle was here – close to home and all. (I do miss ronk…)

    I think I was PUMA since March, but tried to believe somehow that Hillary would make it in spite of all the artificial obstables. I’m so glad to be here and I am so glad SM provided us with the acronym that describes us so well.

  27. “…waterboarded with Kool-aid.” Isn’t that “KoolAid-boarded?” “Obamaberry-boarded?”
    Anyway, I was never really politically aware until Kerry. I voted, but I really didn’t care. However, I didn’t want Bush to win again, so I supported Kerry, got on the mailing list, etc. Big step for me. Since then, I’ve followed things pretty closely, and this year supported Clinton from the begining. Never saw anything in Obama, wasn’t impressed with his speeches, “intelligence” or background. As the caucuses and primaries went on, I became more and more disillusioned with Obama and his tactics. As a black woman, I was horrified by the race-baiting , stereotyping, and out and out lies he told about Selma, Clinton’s MLK day statement, and Rev. Wright.
    I was suspicious of his fundraising from day one and “Republicans for Obama” and “Democrat for a Day” didn’t help. The RBC meeting and the final withdrawal from Trinity as a pay-off was the last straw. Having been internet surfing the whole time, that night I went looking for other people who felt like me. A couple of days later, I found the Confluence through Clinton Dems. Did a lot of lurking here and other PUMA sites, and when the whole “unity pony” schtick came along, I started my own little blog in order to have a safe place to rant and rave with impunity. In a sense, I was a PUMA looking for an identity long before I found it. That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.

  28. Fredster:

    That “welled-up” line is Obamanation spam. They always flood the blogs with effusive praise for Teh Precious after speeches and debates. I first saw it after his victory speech in Iowa.

    On the day The Lightbringer gave his Greatestest Speech On Race EVAH! I was at another site that had become part of the sippy-kup kingdom.

    Even before he finished speaking the comments started coming in gushing about how wonderful the speech was. Two different commenters claimed to have been moved to tears just reading a transcript of the speech.

  29. I had been a Democrat for all of my adult life. I truly believed in the principals of the Democratic party, and had never, ever voted for a Republican candidate for President.

    During the primary season I volunteered for Hillary’s campaign by making phone calls and writing endless emails to delegates and superdelegates. I was thrilled to have such a spectacular candidate running, and didn’t know a thing about Obama except that he made a pretty speech one time and Oprah liked him. I thought he seemed like a decent enough guy and maybe if Hillary picked him as her VP and he got some experience under his belt, he might develop into a viable candidate in 2016.

    And then it all went to hell. Sexism. Misogyny. Election fraud. The MSM on their knees waiting to service The One. I watched friend after friend fall under the spell of magical prose and empty promises. “Obama will bring change,” they told me. “Any Democrat will bring change,” I pointed out. All I got were blank stares.

    I joined political groups on MySpace and tried to have rational conversations and adult debates, but instead was attacked, insulted, berated and called a closet Republican. When I asked people to give me specific examples of the kinds of “change” Obama was going to bring about, I was called a r@cist.

    After May 31, I felt like I was in topsy-turvy land. Nothing made sense. I read the Democratic Party Charter and the Party Rules and Bylaws over and over, inside out and I couldn’t wrap my head around what had happened. They broke their own rules! They violated their own Charter!! I was sick to my stomach and angry as hell.

    In one of the MySpace political forums, someone change their default picture to a PUMA. I asked what that was all about and she linked me here. I’ve been here ever since.

    I am now an “Unaffiliated” voter, having sent in my change of party form in June after watching the media declare Barak Obama the winner of the Democratic primary, despite the fact that the polls were still open in Montana and South Dakota. I wll never be a Republican, but I cannot go back to the party that considers me disposable and irrelevant.

    I found solace and acceptance here. Everyone understood my feelings, because everyone was coming from a similar place. I found intelligent, informative posts and rational discourse. And on occasion (or two or three) some stress-relieving friendly chat.

    Until the corruption and fraud can be excised from my former party, I will remain “Unaffiliated” and a PUMA.

  30. Check out this piece on Obama’s mom. She was dying of cancer in 1995 while Obama was running for state senate. He never once visited her in the months before her death when she was being treated in Hawaii.

    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/about-obamas-mother-and-medical-bills

  31. But enough about ourselves, let’s talk about us! I work in the entertainment industry (TV editor), and voted for the first time in 2000 – right after I became a citizen. (I was born in the former USSR and my family immigrated to the US in 1989.) My first election I voted for Gore for President and HRC for US Senate. We all know how that year’s election turned out. I was a registered Democrat for a fairly short time, though always considered myself a D. In 2001 or 2002 I switched to Independent. And the person who almost single-handedly drove me away from the party was Tom Daschle. That slimy snake-oil salesman was the Majority (and then minority) Leader. (And then his own state declined to reelect him!) It was right around that time, under Daschle’s leadership, that Democrats gave away their testicles in a box to Republicans. They still haven’t taken them back. I lost my job right before 9/11 and was collecting unemployment benefits. I had to attend some seminar for the privilege and during the seminar we were given paperwork to fill out. One of the questions on the form was if we wanted to register to vote or re-register our party affiliation. So I cursed Tom Daschle and switched. And so I’ve been an Independent since. But I still always voted for Democrats straight down the line. This is changing this year because I realized that – contrary to what Hillary thinks – all Democrats are not created equal and – contrary to what Angleachel thinks – some Democrats are worse than some Republicans. This is why after initially toying with the idea of voting for Nader I’ve decided that on Tuesday I’ll be casting my vote for McCain/Palin, my first time voting for a non-Democrat. This year I think a real message can only be sent to Obama and his band of merry thugs by voting for McCain. I’m a social liberal and fiscal conservative, so I don’t disagree with McCain on everything. Democratic party, I hardly knew ya! Seriously, none of us knew exactly what you were. Thanks for taking off the mask.

  32. I watched the Greatest Speech EVAH and all I could think as he was making it was that he was going to use it to sweep Wright under the carpet–and I was right.

  33. dear myiq: thank you for the wonderful history of PUMA. I was a history major too and come from generations of dems. It’s in my blood and DNA somehow. I was a PUMA from the nanosecond I saw sm77’s post on June 1 and have followed riverdaughter’s and noquarter’s sites everyday since then. I come from a union background and also understand and have supported third party efforts in the past, so to me PUMA is a beginning that has the potential of bringing sanity and balance back to this country. I have lost all my friends and family but I REFUSE to lose my soul. To me the dividing line is about human decency – how can anyone trash two brilliant women candidates and pretend that they themselves are members of the human race? I consciously try to remember that all life deserves love and respect but Obama’s thugs and ability to mesmerize the population with koolaid and promises really challenges all that I’ve been through and seen in my 59 years on this planet with only one conclusion: NO WAY, NOBAMA!
    thank you again for your efforts at documenting the history of Party Unity My Ass.

  34. bb: i think the source of obama’s hatred towards women has a lot to do with his relationship with his mother, and with his looking for male role models in weird places has to do with his absent father — i think a lot of his narcissism is rooted in not feeling enough love and attention in his really early days … i think a psychiatrist would have a hey day with him … i think he has similar issues that Dubya does … absentee father, strong willed, self-obsessed mother that was ‘there’ but NOT there emotionally …

    think that’s why he exhibits the same pathologies dubya does

  35. I came to the Confluence I think in April. I had been a contributor to the OffTheBus project at the HuffPost. When I decided I could no longer supprt Barack Obama, I was called everything from a liar to a racist. I had previously been a team leader for District 15 for Obama for America. The posters said I had never been a supporter, I was a liar. I was southern, so I was naturally thought to be a racist. I have a bit of a temper so I knew I had to find another place to voice my thoughts.

    I hung out at TM for a while, but the support just did not feel genuine. I had a feeling TM’s site was for the benefit of TM. I don’t remember how I found the site, but I remember Katiebird welcoming me and I have been here ever since.

    I was here the day sm77 coined the term PUMA and have bookmarked the PUMA Party is Unborn so I will remember that I was a part of a group of people who had principles and ethics (even you, myiq).

    I have lost friends over my choice to not support BO and since my son left for Iraq, you guys have become almost like family and I have never met any of you.

    Thanks for providing me a place to voice my thoughts.

  36. kb — when ever you feel yourself weakening do what my cousin does — every once in a while she turns on MSNBC to get outraged. A few minutes is all it takes, and your resolve with be fortified, loins girded, etc.

  37. OT. Somebody just sent me these old quotes from the old Hollywood Squares (hosted by Peter Marshall) and I thought I’d share for a few good laughs:

    >Q. Do female frogs croak?
    >A. Paul Lynde: If you hold their little heads under water long enough.
    >
    >Q.If you’re going to make a parachute jump, at least how high should you
    >be?
    >A. Charley Weaver: Three days of steady drinking should do it.
    >
    >Q.True or False, a pea can last as long as 5,000 years.
    >A. George Gobel: Boy, it sure seems that way sometimes.
    >
    >Q.You’ve been having trouble going to sleep. Are you probably a man or a
    >woman?
    > A. Don Knotts: That’s what’s been keeping me awake.
    >
    >Q.According to Cosmopolitan, if you meet a stranger at a party and you
    >think that he is attractive, is it okay to come out and ask him if he’s
    >married?
    >A. Rose Marie: No; wait until morning
    >
    >Q.Which of your five senses tends to diminish as you get older?
    >A. Charley Weaver: My sense of decency.
    >
    >Q. In Hawaiian, does it take more than three words to say ‘I Love You’?
    >A. Vincent Price: No, you can say it with a pineapple and a twenty.
    >
    >Q.What are ‘Do It,’ ‘I Can Help,’ and ‘I Can’t Get Enough’?
    >A. George Gobel: I don’t know, but it’s coming from the next apartment.
    >
    >Q.As you grow older, do you tend to gesture more or less with your hands
    >while talking?
    >A. Rose Marie: You ask me one more growing old question Peter, and I’ll
    >give you a gesture you’ll never forget!
    >
    >Q. Paul, why do Hell’s Angels wear leather?
    >A. Paul Lynde: Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.
    >
    >Q.Charley, you’ve just decided to grow strawberries. Are you going to get
    >any during the first year?
    >A. Charley Weaver: Of course not, I’m too busy growing strawberries.
    >
    >Q.In bowling, what’s a perfect score?
    >A. Rose Marie: Ralph, the pin boy.
    >
    >Q. It is considered in bad taste to discuss two subjects at nudist camps.
    >One is politics, what is the other?
    >A. Paul Lynde: Tape measures.
    >
    >Q. During a tornado, are you safer in the bedroom or in the closet?
    >A. Rose Marie: Unfortunately Peter, I’m always safe in the bedroom.
    >
    >Q. Can boys join the Camp Fire Girls?
    >A. Marty Allen: Only after lights out.
    >
    >Q.When you pat a dog on its head he will wag his tail. What will a goose
    >do?
    >A. Paul Lynde: Make him bark.
    >
    >Q.If you were pregnant for two years, what would you give birth to?
    >A. Paul Lynde: Whatever it is, it would never be afraid of the dark.
    >
    >Q.According to Ann Landers, is there anything wrong with getting into the
    >habit of kissing a lot of people?
    >A. Charley Weaver: It got me out of the army…
    >
    >Q.It is the most abused and neglected part of your body, what is it?
    >A. Paul Lynde: Mine may be abused, but it certainly isn’t neglected.
    >
    >Q.Back in the old days, when Great Grandpa put horseradish on his head,
    >what was he trying to do ?
    >A. George Gobel: Get it in his mouth.
    >
    >Q.Who stays pregnant for a longer period of time, your wife or your
    >elephant?
    >A. Paul Lynde: Who told you about my elephant?
    >
    >Q.When a couple have a child, who is responsible for its sex?
    >A. Charley Weaver: I’ll lend him the car, the rest is up to him.
    >
    >Q.Jackie Gleason recently revealed that he firmly believes in them and has
    >actually seen them on at least two occasions. What are they?
    >A. Charley Weaver: His feet.
    >
    >Q.According to Ann Landers, what are two things you should never do in bed?
    >A. Paul Lynde: Point and laugh!

  38. I am a lifelong yella dawg democrat, who changed to Independent on June 1, 2008.

    I came to the Confluence I think in April. I had been a contributor to the OffTheBus project at the HuffPost. When I decided I could no longer supprt Barack Obama, I was called everything from a liar to a r@cist. I had previously been a team leader for District 15 for Obama for America. The posters said I had never been a supporter, I was a liar. I was southern, so I was naturally thought to be a r@cist. I have a bit of a temper so I knew I had to find another place to voice my thoughts.

    I hung out at TM for a while, but the support just did not feel genuine. I had a feeling TM’s site was for the benefit of TM. I don’t remember how I found the site, but I remember Katiebird welcoming me and I have been here ever since.

    I was here the day sm77 coined the term PUMA and have bookmarked the PUMA Party is Unborn so I will remember that I was a part of a group of people who had principles and ethics (even you, myiq).

    I have lost friends over my choice to not support BO and since my son left for Iraq, you guys have become almost like family and I have never met any of you.

    Thanks for providing me a place to voice my thoughts.

  39. I am almost as liberal as they come, a Kucinich supporter who thinks the finest schools in EVERY neighborhood and universal healthcare without insurance companies would solve most of our social ills within a generation.
    I’ve always loved Hillary since I first heard her voice when she was First Lady. Somehow I knew even then that all would be well with her in command.

    When I saw the way she was treated I was outraged and have yet to recover. Harriet Christian ( could the name possibly be better?) saved the day following the RBC debalce and I would that say she, a waitress, empowered and united us as much as anyone.

    When a movement grows spontaneously and is energized by a waitress, a plumber and a South American immigrant who has made a successful life in the US, you know you’re on the right team.

    Oddly enough I might agree with what may be Obama’s plans – they are too vague to be sure what the hell he’s really trying to say, but I DO NOT TRUST HIM. He has shown us he has no compassion for the needy in his own family or neighborhood. I can’t see him as being anything but a place holder for Richard Daley. If I called him a Regent he’d want a crown, so we’ll stick with place holder.
    This movement gave me a political home, for which I am very grateful. I love the writing, creativity and friendship I see here.

  40. Heidi Li – I just posted this comment at BlogHer:

    Morra, if you don’t know about party rules, then you know nothing about the PUMA movement.

    Are you even aware of what gave birth to it? It was the Rules and Bylaws Committee decision regarding Florida and Michigan’s delegates on May 31st. Please “do your homework” and find out about it. It was after that decision that many lifetime Democrats realized that the fix was in. The Democratic Party would never allow Hillary Clinton to become the nominee, regardless of how many primaries she won. We decided that we didn’t care about Party any more if the Democrats were going to be as corrupt as the Republicans. Hence, Party Unity My Ass. We will never, ever vote for Barack Obama.

    As for your own vote, please understand that a man who cheats to win the nomination, as Obama did with the collusion of the National Party, will do just about anything, should he gain the Oval Office. All of his prior actions in the primaries will not simply be erased. He will remain the same corrupt person he is now.

    Unfortunately, the past is predictor. And I don’t want the Chicago Way to become The American Way.

    PUMA.

  41. I met RD in here when the Confluence began. I had no idea she was a blogger at L’Orange de? but, I remember telling her I was so glad to read her — all the headlines were BASHING Hillary! Not just in the LAT, but in the web. This was January? Then, I found out that her friend Alegre was going on a writer’s strike? And why. This was ages before all the great writers who are here, are now here. It was just RD.

    As the months wore on, we learned that those bloggers were paid off, to eliminate the competition…

    I’ve been a Dem since always. CA. LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE/GREEN — everyone here knows what that means to our State. The first vote I ever cast was anti-Reagan. His ranch is quite near, and you take Sunday drives up there in gorgeous landscape– kind of like how RD goes out to the river’s edge for picnics.

    It seems to me that Reagan was against women’s rights? This is college era for me so that would have been huge in the 80’s. I brely remember that election — just that I was against him. In Jr. High we marched against the war in Vietnam out here –with those same radical types O hangs with — however Marxists we aren’t.

    My sense is that sooooo many of us are tail end boomers with multiple careers and big educations. I’d rather have a cappucino in Italy than in Starbucks. Umm, hmmm.

    After University I was a designer for a newspaper — many years, and grad degree as a psychotherapist — did that for about 8 years–no longer. Way too many social problems, and little support for the profession as the HMO’s were bent on destroying “talk therapy” by handing out pills (cheaper for them)…

    The day I remember PUMA happening that PR lady had a list of names like Will Bower? And now you all have radio shows and so forth. RD taught me what a troll was, what a haka was, and how to insert a movie. I remember her first cocktail hour posts and how she live blogged the debates and so forth.

    When I come here, I see people who I feel I know — “politically” and generationally and also in their hearts? It’s in their words.

    So, because of RD I met NQ writers — who focus more on hard news — and over time, I found myself exploring MANY news sources, including the conservative ones I guess.

    Like all of us, I have NEVER voted Repub, ever. The Clinton years were good ones. Almost everything RD says could have come from my own head? All the things she got really mad at like Brazile? Even the parts where Hillary has really let us down…(that’s hard)—

    My vote like MIQ2XU— is still on Dem but, after this election, like him? I’m done, and Indy.

    O has many dangerous ties. No joke. Many dangerous ideologies–this is not about race, this is about ideology for me.
    Besides all the Repubs have jumped ship for him so what does that tell us?

    I remember McC in 2000, and that I liked him then. I didn’t like Gore. I could have gone Edwards this year? But it was Hillary for glass ceiling reasons and SHE DESERVED IT.

    Palin is not a deterrent to me. I really wish religion would keep out of politics. That would be good.

    Wright, Ayers et al are my tipping points…whatever Chicago is?
    It must be very bad. I know this, it has NOTHING to do with EAST or WEST Coast Dems.

    I think you will see a very quiet MASSIVE backlash against this charade on the 4th. This will be because of the threats, the DNC, the Marxist/fascist/Fauxgressive/illegal ties/fundraising/—?
    that we all seem to know about by doing indy research.

    This may be the year of the dumbed down Jr. Democrat — but for us? No. It was way too important for us after the last eight years.
    If McC is the reformer (which I believe he is) — let him sweep the house CLEAN of all the corruption. Then, those who had to leave this year can go back, but not until.

    One thing PUMA taught us? We will never take those votes for granted like Miq2xu said once here— we will never just go blindly along with anything a politician says anymore. Perhaps that is aging on our parts? Or maybe it’s elections, overall.

    I know one thing. In all these years of voting? None of us have ever seen the likes of this year, ever. Ever. No, we haven’t.

    This country needs a mix of Republican and Democrat for checks and balances on each other. He cannot be allowed to take over what Bush is leaving. He can’t. Frankly? I feel that Bushco should investigate all that foreign money, unless of course they know more than we do…

    I know one thing. John McCain is not George Bush. Palin could be like that, perhaps…but she isn’t the draw for me. It’s McCain. He is honest. What he is talking about in those ads he does is the truth.
    One reason the media is so in the tank for O? They make a lot of money off his ads. A lot of money. I worked for the Press when $$$ couldn’t buy endorsements. That’s no longer true.

    hugs.
    from a pro-choice, liberal, married, green dem who has gay friends…
    they say as CA goes? So goes the nation. I’d be very nervous in the Dem camp right now. CA dems are like RD. & Confluence PUMAS——— Smart!

  42. I don’t know if I’m a PUMA or not… I just sort of drifted here. My journey began in the primaries. I was intrigued with BO, and thought, “oh, he’ll be nice to be president in 4 or 8 years. Good for him, getting his name out there in the national spotlight.” But as a very conservative Democrat who’d never voted for any Republican, Hillary was my choice. It didn’t hurt that she had a brilliant grasp of the issues and was tough as a bucket of nails.

    I watched all spring as faux charges of r@cism were thrown around. I watched “the greatest speech evah!” and wasn’t really impressed. I watched the media wet their collective pants in joy anytime BO did anything remotely competent and watched them foam at the mouth with rage anytime Hillary was anything less than stunningly brilliant, personable and forthright. I watched and made the first $$ contribution of my life to HRC. By the time the DNC roolz and bye bye laws committee met, I was disgusted with the Dems and started looking for an alternative.

    I visited TL under another name up until the convention and the collective koolaid drinking. Then I came here and found a safe place to be

  43. myiq2xu, on October 30th, 2008 at 2:58 pm Said:

    Fredster:

    That “welled-up” line is Obamanation spam. They always flood the blogs with effusive praise for Teh Precious after speeches and debates. I first saw it after his victory speech in Iowa.

    On the day The Lightbringer gave his Greatestest Speech On Race EVAH! I was at another site that had become part of the sippy-kup kingdom.

    Even before he finished speaking the comments started coming in gushing about how wonderful the speech was. Two different commenters claimed to have been moved to tears just reading a transcript of the speech.

    Ah hell…now I’m going to have to take something for nausea.

  44. HRC is as tough as a bucket of nails and for all the talk of inspiration and hopey-changey crap, I would rather take the tough woman or the man that I know takes no damn prisoners. So tomorrow, for the first time in my life, I will not be voting a straight democratic ticket.

  45. I became PUMA when I saw Kim Fredericks video of the calls the Obama campaign was sending out so relentlessly in Texas to steal Hillary delegates. Gigi Gaston’s film preview of the things that had gone in in the caucus states and the Indiana primary did it for me. There is nothing democratic about stealing history and silencing voters.

    I carried my g. grandmother *who was a suffragette*, my parents and grandparents dreams with me when I cast my vote in the primary. That vote was canceled out by cheating in a co ordinated way to run over top of the will of the voters. There was rampant misogyny that was used on purpose to demoralize. Nothing has changed since 1919 in the world of Obama and his minions. Axelrod in a psychopathic plan literally used Alinsky’s rules to cheat us out of our votes.

    What the un democratic party did here is the most un American thing I’ve ever seen happen in my country.

    I grew up with parents who were part of the civil rights movement. we had to endure getting beat up nearly every day at school because of the stance they took, that I did gladly, I understood the importance of what they were doing. We faced down guard dogs and national guard with machine guns the day after Dr. King was shot in Memphis. Because my parents were known to be part of the civil rights movement, they pulled us out of our car to “search it for anything dangerous” which was nothing more than an excuse to target us.

    This year, when I cast my vote…I took a long tradition of standing up for the right thing with me, I took a chance Hillary might lose fair and square too. I took the belief that my vote mattered, that everyone’s vote mattered.

    The democratic party decided this year that nothing I ever stood for in the past, that my voting rights, and my history do not count for anything because of their greed in wanting their Soroscrat to “win”

    He did not “win” he cheated millions of good American’s out of their rights by silencing our voices and canceling out our votes with cheating.

    I’m PUMA now and I’m going to continue to get others to see what and who Obamacrats are. To bring more people to join PUMA and I will never stop telling and showing the evidence of how the D.N.C. stole history and disgraced it at the same time.

    The only inspirational, American thing to come out of all this WAS and IS PUMA!!

  46. One more thing, Pumas, I will have to come here after I vote early tomorrow, because it is going to break my damn heart to vote for a republican president.

  47. angienc, on October 30th, 2008 at 3:12 pm Said:

    kb — when ever you feel yourself weakening do what my cousin does — every once in a while she turns on MSNBC to get outraged. A few minutes is all it takes, and your resolve with be fortified, loins girded, etc.

    All it should take is a picture of Andrea Mitchell, Mika Brezinsky, and Keith Obamaman.

  48. TRK – So sorry. This election season is the worst I’ve ever experienced.

    {{{Kim}}}

  49. CAROL- Thanks for posting the link at 2:52…. I always rely on you for the latest dirt…

  50. My story is so similar to others here that it almost feels unworthy to write about. Like several posters here, I used to comment on the Orange Cheeto, and in fact I remember many of you from there, esp. Boston Boomer. I too started out as an Edwards supporter, attracted by his issues and by Elizabeth’s passion for health care reform. Back then I did have a bigger case of CDS than most PUMAs, for all the standard-issue pwog reasons–her hawkishness, her refusal to apologize for her AUMF vote, Mark Penn, the “dynasty” issue, her supposed triaingulating DLC-inspired centrism. But I also had problems with Obama–his Madison Ave. Hope(tm) and Change(tm) message, his lecturing of Democrats about their supposed contempt of religion, his deliberate messianic appeal, Camp Obama, the thuggishness of his supporters, his lack of specificity on the issues or a paper trail, and the bizarre favoritism that the MSM heaped on him combined with their sexist treatment of Hillary.

    As the campaign progressed my problems with Obama kept growing while my feelings toward Hillary went from grudging support after Edwards dropped out based on her health care plan to utmost respect for her brilliant wonkishness (which I had seen when she first became my senator but then forgot about after her AUMF vote), for her FDR-like commitment to the needs and concerns of working Americans, and for her courage and composure in the face of so much ugliness and hostility from so many quarters. I agree so much with C Waltz and others–this election has destroyed what little faith I had in the Democratic party. It also made me see that “progressives” can be just as bad, just as bigoted, just as self-centered, as the Bush loyalists they abhor. Since when did the politics of personal destruction become acceptable on the left? Since when did managing perceptions become more important than ferreting out the truth on the left? Since when did classism, ageism, sexism,and other forms of bigotry become acceptable on the left? Since when did it become acceptable to smear the Clintons and anyone else who doesn’t support the Anointed One as r@cists? Since when did the term “white trash” become acceptable among supposedly enlightend liberals?

    I could go on and on. But I know one thing. Whatever happens on Tuesday, I wil remain a PUMA. And I thank you for this site. I also apologize for the length of my rant.

  51. I’ve been voting Democratic for more than 40 years, and watching political conventions for nearly 50 years. I’ve never seen anything like the Dem convention this year, clear-cut corruption. I don’t mind back-room deals to shore up votes on second and third ballots or choose a VP, but I took a real exception to the absolute fraud of denying voters their legal right to a first ballot.

    I will most likely change to Indy after the election, I definitely will change my registration if Obama wins. I might even go Repub for awhile. I know that’s heresy to some of you, but I’ve been called a hell of a lot worse than that this year, and I think I might stand a better chance of fighting an Obama-controlled Dem Party with the Repubs. An Obama POTUS with a Dem filibuster-proof Congress terrifies me.

  52. TheRealKim, on October 30th, 2008 at 3:30 pm Said:
    One more thing, Pumas, I will have to come here after I vote early tomorrow, because it is going to break my damn heart to vote for a republican president.

    ——-

    Kim, you’ll get all the support you can handle. I (protest) voted Tuesday. I found it both disheartening and empowering at the same time. I was in a room filled with fellow AA, excited to “make history”. Heh.

  53. May 31st was PUMA day for my spouse, Carolina and I — I had never seen her so mad. We had friends from our “group” who went to DC – we watched Harriett give ’em hell as she spoke for us on that day. Her words rang true then and they ring true today.

    Someone sent me RD’s website and it’s been home ever since.

  54. Thanks MB, it is really going to be tough to push the button for a name with an R beside it. I know it is the right thing to do, but shit on a shingle, why did our party do this?

  55. BTW —– we both voted McCain / Palin and mailed our ballots back – we also voted NO on Prop 8 (we’re in California)

    We also went to the World Premier of “MILK” the other night in San Francisco — what a great movie !!! Sean Penn did an outstanding job. We also went to the after party and met the cast – James Franco, Sean Penn, Josh Broilen … Diane Lane and Robin Wright-Penn were there — extra bonus !!!

    Prop 6 was defeated — lets hope we beat Prop 8

  56. Kim, it will feel good to vote for the best person for president.

  57. TheRealKim —- It wasn’t as hard for me as I thought — I kept thinking and still do – barry doesn’t stand for me — Hillary did and I do believe McCain will as well.

  58. The hardest part for me is I wanted to vote for BO. Even after I felt the election was stolen, I wanted him to extend the proverbial olive branch. I even thought I would change my mind if he offered HRC the VP slot. Just give me one GD reason to vote for you, BO, just one, but no, you swatted at me like a fucking gnat.

  59. in moderation. All I said was h*ll, jeez, if you knew what is in my head these days….

  60. Early last year, I was discussing the primaries with a friend and was so relieved to learn that she shared my admiration and enthusiasm for Hillary. That day, my friend encouraged me to sign up at Hillary’s site, which is how I eventually made my way to The Confluence. She and I went to a Hillary rally together, and volunteered to phone bank.

    My enthusiasm and preference for a candidate was transformed into disappointment and then outrage at the DNC on May 31 when the RBC stole votes from Hillary and fabricated votes for Obama. Those feelings were later reinforced by the phony and coerced role call vote at the convention.

    I mentioned my friend because she has now decided to vote for Obama. She was the only friend with whom I could talk about this stuff and now I don’t even bring it up anymore. Thank goodness for this site.

  61. When the campaign started I was hearing all these wonderful things about Obama so I took a good look at him expecting to be impressed.

    I was underwhelmed.

    That was before he started playing the race card and I learned about Rezko, Ayers, Wright et al.

  62. As the campaign wore on and on, both my husband and myself were drawn to Hillary Clinton. She was a smart confident tough fighter. She got it. Obama could not compare to her. Then Obama played the r@ce c@rd continually, then the sexism became more and more rampant. Then the DNC helped Obama and stole my vote. That was the point of no return for me. So, months later and nothing has changed. Obama is still playing the r@ce c@rd and sexism and misogyny rule the day. Oh, and yes, my vote is once again being affected. Thanks to Acorn, my vote has been diluted. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I will vote McCain, because I know he will cause less damage to this country than Obama already has.

  63. Wow; all three of us PUMAs sure have a lot of accounts. I don’t know where the three of us find the time.

    Democratic Underground and the hate-filled anti-Clinton, anti-woman rhetoric that overtook it over the past year turned me into a PUMA. I was overseas when Hillary officially suspended her campaign, and I spent the long flight back the following week thinking about what to do. When I saw the PUMA posts here and on other sites, I felt completely validated.

    As a leftie liberal living in San Francisco, I have felt very isolated being one of the few with eyes wide open during this primary and general campaign. I don’t know what I’d do without all of you out there in the PUMA blogosphere…er, all two of the rest of you.

  64. myiq – I thought the same thing.

    And when he started the r*ce-baiting with Hillary and Bill and lumping Bill’s legacy in with Reagan-Bush’s, I knew he was a lying sonofab*tch, and no Democrat. I still would have voted for him if he had picked Hillary as his VP, simply because it would have shown that he did care about Hillary and Bill and their voters.

    But clearly, as Kim said, he just doesn’t want us to vote for him. I’ve never voted for someone who hates me, and I’m not doing it this year either.

    PUMA POWER!!!

  65. I was a pre-PUMA. That is, I’d already started thinking back in March that I wouldn’t be able to vote for Obama if Clinton lost the primaries, and by April I knew I wouldn’t be able to. I just couldn’t support the misogyny spewing out from the media, or the way that the most vocal part of Obama’s supporters seemed to be either vapid Kool Aid snarfers mentally enslaved to The One or hateful, compassionless libertarian-mentality ex-Republicans like DKos and Ariana. I didn’t even know about what was happening on the progblogs, or I would have decided sooner.

    I found a haven at TL in May, and if I hadn’t already rejcted the ‘new coalition’ of idiotic youngsters and Let-Them-Eat-Cake lattes, I certainly would have when the RBC threw the nomination to Obama. A few days later I switched my registration to Unaffiliated, and signed up as a member of pumapac. Fortunately, I’d found The Confluence by then. (ironically, from a link at TL provided by a poster who was later banned because he brought up Obama’s past coke use). Bailed on TL, but not until the PDS swung into full force.

    Thank you, riverdaughter, for creating this fabulous place. The fact that I am NOT alone has kept me from sliding into deep depression, otherwise, watching my former party become the home to capitulating idiots and chattering class *sses would have done me in.

  66. When I look at Obama, I see an empty resume, a mediocre debater, an above-average but not great speechifier and a narcissist.

    As the expression goes, “there’s no ‘there’ there”

  67. I took heard all these great things about BO when the primary started. My mother, on the other hand, wasn’t sucked in for a moment. I specifically remember our conversation right after Iowa.
    Mom: “I don’t like how I’ve never heard of this guy before and he suddenly shows up with all this money.”
    Me: “Mom, we should give him a chance. He is supposed to be very charismatic and a great speaker.”
    Mom: “Well, then he should be a motivational speaker — he is qualified for that. But he isn’t qualified to be President.”

    Have I ever mentioned how perceptive my mother is?
    After NH & seeing how the BO campaign & the msm started treating Hillary I went from a “always voted Dem & would vote for whoever got the nomination” to a strong Hillary supporter to a PUMA. I also learned, once again, and although it pains me to admit it, my mother is always, always right.
    We are both voting McCain.

  68. correction: I left out an important part of the conversation:

    Mom: “I don’t like how I’ve never heard of this guy before and he suddenly shows up with all this money and support. Who is behind him?”
    Me: “Mom, we should give him a chance. He is supposed to be very charismatic and a great speaker.”
    Mom: “Well, then he should be a motivational speaker — he is qualified for that. But he isn’t qualified to be President.”

  69. CWalt: BO didn’t only have to cheat in the primary to win. The only way he wins the GE is by cheating too, whether that be voting fraud, illegal donations (I don’t for one minute believe he raised $100 million from on-line contributions under $200 in one month) or a combination of both.

  70. Angie – Mother knows best. 😉

  71. Parent of Ed lead me to you guys when Hillary was being hounded to drop out in the spring. When I first saw PUMA-Party Unity My Ass, I laughed myself silly. I thought how perfect is that!? This place has been a refuge and has given me strength to go against the corrupt Dem machine and vote against a Dem for the first time in my life. I love you guys and am so glad you’re. PUMAS RULE

    myig: I love the pics of the baby pumas. How cute are they?

  72. Prameela Barthomeusz on Cavuto now tlaking about supporting Palin and sexism

  73. So glad you’re HERE. Jeez. My brain goes faster than my fingers, I’m always leaving out words, but I figure you get the message.

  74. Prameela is a DNC platform committee member….

  75. Angie:

    The illegal donations didn’t just start recently. Don’t forget, he raised $99 million before the Iowa caucuses.

    That was more than every other Democrat except Hillary COMBINED.

  76. yay its angie!!! — I posted earlier that the phrase “hot tranny mess” may have saved my sanity! I think about that every time I feel like crying …so I laugh instead! well done ~ thanx

  77. and MyIq — it had taken 2 years for Hillary to have such a large warchest … they used that against her as an example of her “inevitability”

  78. ..and don’t think it is a coincidence that his biggest haul came at the very end when there would be the least amount of time to look into it. that man is just a crook. He makes Dick Nixon look like a boy scout.

  79. Gotta go get ready for work but my thanks also go out to myiq for showing our history.

    Briefly: I got here from Democratic Underground when the Hillary supporters who could stand being there anymore would post “riverdaughter” stuff. I linked to one, came here, and never left. My first login name was Alice but we also had little alice and AlicePaul so I switched to scrubs57 (for obvious reasons to those who know me).

    I was also there when PUMA was first written and literally laughed my ass off.

    I was one who also held out hope until the bullshit convention roll call.

    Lifelong Dem but always committed to voting for the correct people to be our leaders. Now committed to the 30% solution.

    Catch up with you all later.

  80. GCH – dead on — this whole thing is so scary .. if he wins we may never get tot the bottom of it….

    my latest fantasy involves Obama & Axelfraud doing a perp walk…

  81. Mawm, GCH, Angie, myiq, RD, madamab, Real Kim, simofish, fuzzy, katiebird, parentofed….You guys are great, thanks so much for being here and keeping me from going nuts, I couldn’t have survived this election season without you.

    Toast!! To the PUMAS! Yay!

  82. I am not sure if I am an official PUMA but am a frequent reader here as well as a regular commenter at Tom-in-Paine, What Suddenly, texasdarlin and other wonderful web-sites. I too was a volunteer for Hillary’s campaign this year. In previous elections I had volunteered for Al Gore and John Kerry, but both were not candidates I loved, only “default” candidates and of course they were “D”emocrats! Voting Republican was never even a thought in the wind. This time around I found myself falling in love with Hillary Clinton as a candidate for President. Watching her in the debates, she stood head and shoulders above the rest. And even though Obama was/is my senator from Illinois, I did not know him at all, since he started to run for president about a week after taking office and was very little was known about him by any of us.

    Now about Obama: I started to research things I heard about him but could not figure out how someone with so little experience and so little known would run for president. Something did not seem right. I heard about Trinity Church here in Chicago and researched it on the web-site. I was shocked that a candidate for president would attend such a ‘racist’ church. Then I heard about Tony Rezko and heard Obama was thick as thieves with Rezko and in the swamp of corruption in the Illinois senate in Springfield. I told relatives last Thanksgiving in Oregon that “Obama was a train wreck waiting to happen’ since I had already done some of this research on the Rev. Wright and Tony Rezko, and felt that as soon as these issues came out to the public, Obama would be history. Little did I know that the cover up/fix was already in place. Then the race-baiting started by Obama and Co. and I was shocked and completely turned off by him. Since I am in Chicago with Obama-mania, I tried to discuss this with others here and realized that very few saw Obama as I did – they seemed to be brainwashed by him in a way that mystified me. Why couldn’t otherwise sane and intelligent people see throught this lying, con artist, empty man in a suit?

    To make a very long story short, I am still alone in my non-support of Obama, having clashed with relatives and best friends, co-workers, and almost everyone I interact with on a daily basis in Chicago. I applaud all the work of the PUMAs, independents, and those who have dedicated their time, effort and expense, like Heidi Li, Lynette Long, Marc Rubin, Murphy, Will Bower and so many others. You do not know me, but I know you. You have been the Woodward and Bernstein of this election, doing the work that the main stream media failed to do, and have done a TREMENDOUS job. THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR BEING THERE FOR US DURING THIS IMPOSSIBLY DIFFICULT TIME. I AM TRULY GREATFUL.

  83. Forgive me if I left out anyone…..:-(

  84. Hi, elderj-fellow TL refugee here.

    I think I followed a link here back in March. I agreed with everything RD wrote and the commenters were right on.

    I was thrilled when Hillary ran because I had admired her for a long time. She had my vote from day one. My heart is broken at what has transpired this year. My only sadness next Tuesday will be when I see that her name is not on the ballot. I am fired up to vote for Mac. I’m ready to show the Obot collective that they can’t force me to vote for their unethical candidate. Oh, h*ll no. I will be PUMA for as long as the party is corrupt-forever, if necessary.

  85. I forgive you griffithnc!!!

  86. Thank you indigo… 🙂

  87. love your avatar too!

  88. OK — must go make Halloween mischief…
    c u all tonight if I can!!!

  89. My only sadness next Tuesday will be when I see that her name is not on the ballot. I am fired up to vote for Mac. I’m ready to show the Obot collective that they can’t force me to vote for their unethical candidate. Oh, h*ll no. I will be PUMA for as long as the party is corrupt-forever, if necessary.

    ———————-

    Joan, my sentiments exactly.

  90. Thanks, I think I’m going to put it on a sweatshirt!

  91. I found my way here from TL. I read many other places but only commented on TL. TL used to be pretty civil since Jeralyn used to keep Obots under control. Even Big Tent was pretty rational, but I never understood how he could support Obama based on his media darling status. It was always a shallow excuse to me. Now I do not venture over there for fear that the kool aide may infect me through my keyboard. I do not comment much but this is the only place I go to now. Keeps me sane. Thanks to RD I have been able to cut down the number of times I have to wear my tin foil hat.

  92. The 2000 election theft, until May 31st, 2008, was the defining moment of my political experience. Having been purged while I was actively and vigorously working so hard to get Al Gore elected, I was looking forward to this election to restore my faith in our electoral process. I have always been more liberal than anybody I know (and still am) but I was willing to compromise in order to make sure a Democrat was elected this year. That and my love for Senator Clinton should have finally cured the nausea I still feel every time the 2000 election is mentioned.

    The terrible realization that the disenfranchisement of voters is not something that only Republicans do to Democrats but is something that is tolerated by both parties as long as they can pick who is being disenfranchised, is the new defining moment of my political experience. Then RBC hearings inspired me to write a letter to my newspaper declaring myself a PUMA and to make it clear in all of my political correspondence, not to mention personal encounters, that I will remain a PUMA. I wear the wristband and enjoy sharing our history. So, I’m less popular than I was. I am more respected (and feared).

    I thought that voting for McCain/Palin would be more painful than it was but I proudly show anybody who doubts my conviction my copy of my absentee ballot. It feels so different than when I put a picture of me kissing the primary ballot I cast for HRC on my myspace page but I will not allow anybody to think that I rewarded the Democratic Party with my vote. At this point, I am afraid of the next defining moment of my political experience.

    I would like to, once again, associate the political process with pride instead of nausea and being a PUMA is my best hope. I am grateful for the Confluence and all of her contributers.

  93. IndigoGrrl, on October 30th, 2008 at 4:54 pm Said:
    love your avatar too!

    ————-

    Both are great! I too find Griffith’s avatar to be abfab! First time I can recall seeing that particular image while visiting TGW.

  94. I came to the Confluence via TM and NQ. I am still an NQ visitor/commenter. I continued with TM for about 3-4 weeks after HRC then I began to give up on that site. Now I have totally abandoned TM. The moment I saw PUMA and what it stood for, I was on board. No matter how this election evolves, I am interested in being part of a group that truly founds a new politics. I don’t know what shape that might take—it could be a new party, it could be reforming the Democratic Party, it could even be working on a new Republican party. The one thing I know about politics is that things change at warp speed.

  95. aw griff & IndigoGirl — I love you guys too!! And all my PUMA family.

    btw, wanna hear how lame I am? I just realized because of the way griff wrote the name up thread that “parentofed” is “Parent of Ed” — I’ve been calling her “parento fed” all this time and thinking “what the heck does that even mean?” LMAO!!! Just like I was calling myiq –“M-Y-I [always got stuck on this part (thinking, scroll up to look at name again)]– Q-2-X-U.” until some kind person here explained it to me.

  96. Here’s a story about the theft of campaign signs:

    http://videos.newsobserver.com/?a=player&id=2335356

    It’s literally shocking.

  97. “until some kind person here explained it to me”

    Can you explain it to me?

    Cuz I can’t figure out what it means

  98. myiq — literally shocking? Should I ground myself before clicking on the link? 🙂

  99. Angie:

    Reach out and touch someone

  100. myiq — I was told it means “My IQ 2times You”

    About the sign — it was literally shocking!

  101. Madamab do you have a gmail address where I can send something to you?

  102. Only because I know her, and met her cat “Ed”

  103. That guy isn’t the first who electrified his sign, someone did that in one of the previous election cycles cause someone kept stealing his signs, only back then it was some moron adult who got the shock!

  104. Can I just say how incredibly adorable these PUMA pictures are? I’m glad SM didn’t come up with an acronym that spelled “lizard” or something.

  105. I don’t consider myself a PUMA, I assumed PUMAs were still members of the democratic party. I unregistered with that party, after 32 years, back in April or May. The moment I saw that Kerry and Kennedy were endorsing the empty suit I knew which way that wind was going to blow. I’m an independant now, still consider myself pretty liberal in most of my political stances, although I must admit my eyes are a lot more open to various views. For all those years I was a member of the “better” party, the “moral” party, the “progressive” party. I was a proud member of a party that cared for equal rights, civil rights, womens rights. Well, was I friggin’ wrong! Quite the v-8 moment.
    Politically, Sarah Palin and I couldn’t be further apart. But when she came out that day when McCain announced his running mate I cried. Unbelievablly I cried, I was so moved. I hadn’t even realized until that very moment just how much it meant to me.
    When they demonized her and dragged her children along thru the mud, a woman who has worked goddamn hard as hell all her life to get where she is today! A mother with 5 kids, with real true work and executive experience in government. Treated her like she was a hick from the sticks, well that was enough for me. McCain had my vote the moment Hillary Clinton stepped down, I waivered when he picked such a conservative like Palin. I figured I would just be like the one hero I have left, Heidi Li Feldman, and not vote at all but I just couldn’t stand it any longer. Palin is getting my vote this year. I will continue to be pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, and pro-stem cell research. I will never stop being against the death penalty and secret government wiretapping. But John McCain and Sarah Palin have my vote this year.
    I have lost close relationships with the few family members I have left, other than my husband and children. I am looked at like I have two heads when I tell “friends” who are democrats who I am voting for.
    They can all BITE ME! This is a real gut decision. I know obama is wrong for this country at this time.
    My vote is mine and I choose whom to vote for based on what I believe is in the best interest of my daughters and my country. No party.

  106. Interesting…speculation about who gave the tape to the Los Angeles Times is it was a Hillary supporter. They received the tape in April which is when it would have helped Hillary but it would hurt Obama now in the presidential election. Makes some sense.

    Mountain Sage

  107. ainnj:

    Anyone can be a PUMA if they share our values and goals.

    PUMA also stands for “People United Means Action”

  108. We’re having a party on Sat., most all will be Dems in this bible belt red town, but Amy and I will have to hole our tongues cuz they’re all Oblahba supporters. They’d better not start into me, cuz I won’t be in the mood, esp. after a few glasses of bubbly. I think I’m gonna put my “Hillary” sign back in the window,and tell them I wrote her in, yeah that’s what I’ll do, that’s the ticket, I wrote her in…..yeah that’ll work, then they’ll shut up. HAHAHAHAHA!

  109. Will the media go soft?

    But if Obama wins, these scribes know that they’ll be facing the toughest assignment of their careers. They’ve all oversubscribed to the notion that Obama’s candidacy is momentous, without parallel, and earth-shattering, so they can’t file garden-variety pieces about the “winds of change” blowing through Washington. They’re convinced that not only the whole world will be reading but that historians will be drawing on their words. Will what I write be worthy of this moment in time? they’re asking themselves. It’s a perfect prescription for performance anxiety.

  110. aainj: I cried, too, the day that Sarah Palin gave her first speech, a Friday afternoon. A little over a week before that, I had tears streaming down my face while states like Arkansas and NJ tossed their Hillary votes. Now, my main emotion is steely resolve.

  111. I used to read all the A-list blog, and then in Jan/Feb switched exclusively to TL/TM/Corrente/NQ. Posted a few times at TL/TM. The first few months of this year were like falling – there’s a few seconds when you can’t figure out what’s happening, you just have that funny feeling of groundlessness [sic].

    I started reading RD in Mar, started posting in May right before the KY primary. I spread out to Hillbuzz, SarainItaly, NQ, and a couple of others, and have started reading some Repub blogs for their perspective. But my blog home is here for as long as we can all work out our divergent views in a civilized manner. Never going back to the old haunts, no matter what, even if they have a come-to-teleprompter-Jesus-moment.

  112. In my earliest days of voting, I voted Republican, however after Nixon, I chose not to vote for Republicans at the national or state level. I voted for Bill Clinton twice and against Bush twice. (I had heard too much over the years.)
    I typically voted Democratic in my state, including twice for Ann Richards, although she lost the second Race to Bush.

    I had long admired Hillary Clinton and learned a bit about her way back in the early 1990s from Arkansans who knew her or knew of her. I was told about her work to improve education in Arkansas and of her many meetings with teachers and others throughout the state. I was also told how warm and friendly she was. This contrasted with what the GOP then was beginning to do to destroy her character.

    I was delighted that she chose to run for the Presidency, supported her ever more strongly as the 2007-2008 primary season developed, and contributed funds to her campaign. I also believed she was absolutely the finest and most qualified candidate. When Tim Russert called upon all the men to turn on her in that infamous debate last fall, I was outraged. Been there. Unbelievable!

    Although I have experienced many instances of gender discrimination in work and life, I was nevertheless totally astonished (and infuriated) at the crude and ridiculously old and silly missiles used against her by the Obama campaign — along with the constant intimidation. I also closely followed the abuse of caucuses and precinct meetings and was stunned that little was done about it. Further, I recognized very early on that Obama was nothing but a schmoozer with using really old themes of “hope” and “change,” with nothing to back them up.

    Family matters took me out of town the week of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting and I was out of touch of radio or television (a moving situation). When I learned of the outcome, I knew with absolute finality that the fix was in and, of course, it only got worse. Also while I was out of town, Puma was born. When I returned, I had to read a number of back blogs to figure why Pumas were everywhere. Then, I learned of PumaPac and joined.

    When Sarah Palin was chosen as the GOP VP candidate, it did not take me long to decide I liked her, whether I agreed on every issue or not. When she was treated brutally by her opponents, I knew I had to support her.

    What happens after the election, I don’t know. All I know is we have to clean up our two major parties, we have to assure that our votes count, and we have to stop the abuse of women. We have wonderful, capable, intelligent, and strong women in this country and around the world, and if our nation does not show leadership, then we have consigned women and families everywhere to oppression and misery.

    Pumas have so much work to do to repair the travesty of this election season.

  113. AOL is limiting the straw poll to registered people. But now they have third party.

  114. Last inspirational vid before the election.

  115. The PUMA work will just be beginning on Nov. 5th. Demands to dismantle the DNC, out w/Dean and Brazile, Pelosi and Reid step down from their leadership positions. Hillary becomes Senate majority leader and we start our ground roots movement re-educating the Obots. That will be huge, but we can do it, and that’s the ONLY way I’ll go back to the Democratic Party. Then in 2012 we’ll have an HONEST, LEGAL primary with all the votes counted and on to victory in the White House.

    Going home. Bye PUMAS. YOU ROCK!!!!

  116. I remember the day fondly when PUMA was born. I read Riverdaughter’s post and wrote something up about the formation of PUMA for NO Quarter.

    I think that many of us were PUMAs before SM coined the phrase. For me the calls to force Hillary out in February took me over the edge. And like many, I watched in horror as the DNC broke it’s own guidelines, holding a secret meeting while deciding what to do about Florida and Michigan.

    I was among those PUMAs that traveled to Denver to be there for Hillary. I was also one of the PUMAs in the streets gathering signatures from delegates to force a roll call vote. In the end we realized the futility of our efforts. But we did try.

    I started out life as a Democrat. Up until this year I voted Democrat for every single office in every single election. But that all changed and now I label myself an Independent that supports McCain-Palin. And as far as other Democrats go they have lost my vote. Completely.

    Others can support down-ticket Democrats or work to once again legitimize the Democratic party.

    Not me. I have had my fill of them. No more. Never again.

  117. I remember the day fondly when PUMA was born. I read Riverdaughter’s post and wrote something up about the formation of PUMA for NO Quarter.

    I think that many of us were PUMAs before SM coined the phrase. For me the calls to force Hillary out in February took me over the edge. And like many, I watched in horror as the DNC broke it’s own guidelines, holding a secret meeting while deciding what to do about Florida and Michigan.

    I was among those PUMAs that traveled to Denver to be there for Hillary. I was also one of the PUMAs in the streets gathering signatures from delegates to force a roll call vote. In the end we realized the futility of our efforts. But we did try.

    I started out life as a Democrat. Up until this year I voted Democrat for every single office in every single election. But that all changed and now I label myself an Independent that supports McCain-Palin. And as far as other Democrats go they have lost my vote. Completely.

    Others can support down-ticket Democrats or work to once again legitimize the Democratic party.

    Not me. I have had my fill of them. No more. Never again.

  118. I am a disenfranchised ex-Dem, but Independent since the 80’s. I don’t know when the lightning first struck and I realized that the party of my West Virginia coal miner union-organizing family (mother was progressive from California in the 50’s!) was morphing into something I didn’t want to be part of–but I saw this year coming for a long, long time. I still vote for Democrats down ticket, and some Republicans depending on the person and issue.

    I first heard of PUMA when I read commentary on a CNN item about James Carville wearing his Pumas after the convention hijacking. Curious, I looked around and found this place. It’s not that I agree with everyone here, but it’s sure refreshing to read people who can answer an argument with more than one-syllable expletives; and who aren’t toting the Chicago-issued sippy cups.

  119. bostonboomer, on October 30th, 2008 at 3:01 pm Said:
    Check out this piece on Obama’s mom. She was dying of cancer in 1995 while Obama was running for state senate. He never once visited her in the months before her death when she was being treated in Hawaii.
    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/about-obamas-mother-and-medical-bills

    This should be the story that makes the obots “well up.” A mother dying of cancer and her son never comes to say good-bye. There is something essential missing from Obama. It takes a cold, cold heart to shun one’s mother on her deathbed.

  120. My PUMA story: I started out as an “any Dem will do” voter. Hillary is my Senator and I have voted for her 2x but I was not all that crazy about her but after watching a few debates, it was clear that she pwned the other candidates. She was so plainly the most qualified to be President. I became a strong supporter around Sept/Oct of 2007.

    Like so many of you, I was disgusted by the MSM treatment of Hillary and freaked out by the fanaticism of the Obamabots. Was horrified (but not surprised) by the RBC meeting. Final straw was the Convention when my Hillary vote was delivered to That One on a silver platter.

    I resolved months ago that I will remember in November. My husband and daughter think I’m crazy and bitter, but my son at least is on my side. It’s like p*ssing into the wind here in NYC, but he and I will be voting for McCain/Palin next Tuesday.

    IMO if any good comes out of this mess, it will be the newly forged alliance between PUMAs and Republicans. I realize now that I’ve been extremely closed-minded in my attitude. Maybe now that the Bush years are over, we can have some real post-partisanship.

  121. I guess I’m not officially a PUMA, but definitely have sympathy for the PUMA spirit and where it originates. I lurk here – mainly because, as a Talk Left refugee, I miss a lot of the commenters that left there or got banned, so I come here to read them instead.

    What was done to HRC by the DNC, the liberal blogs, and the MSM was appalling. I will never forget it.

  122. That assumes, of course, that after the election I am not hauled off to Gitmo and waterboarded with Kool-aid.

    WELL, LOOK ON THE POSITIVE WE WILL ALL BE TOGETHER! 😮

  123. one last thing I just saw out of Redondo on how CA is feeling — looks like they reacted to that Plain one in WeHo (West Hollywood) — out at the coast… a Latina, as well…

    my sense here is that all the Hillary Dem people as so po’d —-so po’d–
    all of them will go McC —
    a tough read, when you see all the grimmest things come out like this, or like for Palin.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/politics/ci_10856986

  124. From the aforementioned Murky News article:” ‘It’s amazing to me from that same sense of community, for the person to also do something that is so divisive,’ he said.”

    Translated: Anyone not bowing to the Fearless, Peerless One is divisive (buzzcode for “racist”?) Anyone daring to live in Southern California had better know whom to safely hang in effigy–and it ain’t He Who Must Be Obeyed. Do what you will with the woman, though.

  125. Admins: What did I do to get put on moderation? Please let me know so I’ll avoid it in the future.

  126. I am a lifelong Dem and have wanted Hillary to run for President since I watched she and Bill campaign in 1992 (even had a chance to meet them for about a 20 min conversation, told her then she should run after Bill). I was so excited about this election year.

    I have never been so frustrated, angry, depressed, shocked, stunned, you name it, watching what unfolded this year. I don’t have to list the reasons why, you all know. Finally wised up, turned off MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, all of them, and started watching FOX. Quit reading NY Times and all my favorite mags/papers. Althought I had never blogged before, I decided I had to go online and find a group, there had to be one there, all these people kept voting for her.

    First found TM, was fine for awhile, then she began changing and people began leaving. But they left links for the rest of us (like little bread crumbs!). So I made my way here in May. You are all wonderful, I read every day, but rarely comment. I feel as if I know so many of you, and you keep me sane. Do not know what I would do without this safe haven, thanks Riverdaughter and all others who post here.

    When I read party unity my a$$, it was the funniest thing to me, but also perfectly stated how I felt. I have never voted Rep before, but did this time. I would never vote for BO and reward he and the DNC for fraud. It disgusts me, what they did. I am still registered as a Dem, but if there are no changes to this party, that is it for me.

  127. We lived here for 20 years as Canadians until we saw Bush approaching. Both my husband & I hurriedly became citizens so we could vote for Gore. After that, we stayed with the Democratic party until early this year. Like most, we favored Edwards, but grew to admire Clinton because she just kept going and just kept fighting. We saw our adopted party morph before our eyes into an unbelievably corrupt machine. We also watched in amazement as some of our friends succumbed to this weird American liberal guilt (not being raised here makes us more quizzical). Obama looks to us just like the con man he is, of a type we have seen many times before. We saw SM’s original post, PUMA! Yelled YAY! And bought the magic PUMA bracelet. PUMAS FOR MCCAIN!!!

  128. PaganPower: Right, we were PUMAs before we even heard sm77 name it. That’s why it was so electric for us, touching that hot nerve.

  129. http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=39376

    A native American prayer for PUMAS from “Native American’s against Obama”

    This is lovely! It gives the description of what PUMA means in Native American lore, “leadership, courage, loyalty” and offers a prayer dedicated to PUMAS “And to all those who stood up to do the right thing”

  130. Thanks myiq, It’s interesting to hear it done in a synopsis like that.
    I became PUMA when Obama’s campaign, with the help of the DNC, the Media, and every member of the congressional black caucus framed the Clintons as racist right before the SC primary. I became Party Unity My Ass then although SM wouldn’t coin the phrase until June.
    Gary and I, like many other proto PUMAs, watched with disgust the entire primary, witnessing the continual anti-democratic actions taken by Obama and the DNC, specifically the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan in order to create the illusion that Obama had a big lead.
    On May 31st Gary and I went to the RBC meeting to hear the decision on FL and MI. When the DNC gave delegates to Obama that had come from voters that went for Clinton, we became instant activists.
    Since then, Obama and the Democrats have behaved even worse. What we have seen in the general is just a magnification of the primary. More propaganda from the media, the election is over, McCain should just quit to save face, Everyone is a racist who doesn’t support “that one”.
    His fundraising is still a “fairy tale”. Obama doesn’t release the names of donors who contribute less than $200. With millions coming in to his campaign this way, and no way to verify them we are supposed to just trust him that they are legit.
    The ugliest thing emanating from the Obama hole is the willingness to use the government to attack ordinary people who dare to question his highness. Joe the Plumber asked a question and a day later had Obama supporters in the Federal and State bureaucracies opening up his files to try and discredit him. Imagine living in this country with Obama using the newly legitimized FISA powers to get the dirt on his enemies. Ask Obama’s senate primary challenger and his Republican challenger Jack Ryan how their private divorce records were released to the press just in time to torpedo both of their candidacies. I know I know they were both just coincidences.
    So, here I am, still PUMA’d. Not a Democrat anymore. Praying that Obama loses, so I can start to sleep at night.

  131. My family has been active in feminist, antiracist, gay rights, and other human rights movements AND the Democratic Party for generations. Practically everyone I know, everyone I work with, votes a straight Democratic ticket. I’m no exception.

    Back in January I was leaning towards Obama. Not that I knew that much about him, but he was said to be the “progressive” candidate–my wing of the party, I’d campaigned hard for Kerry–and I wondered if Clinton might be too centrist.

    After Robin Morgan opened my eyes to the appallingly sexist abuse of Hillary Clinton, I started learning more about her and liked what I saw. By the time Taylor Marsh drank the Kool-aid and I couldn’t recognize my own wing of the party any longer, an eloquent TM commenter named LAMusing recommended The Confluence.

    I arrived here just in time for the RBC debacle and Riverdaughter’s reassuring welcome. Practically the first comment I ever posted on any blog was right here next to SM the day PUMA was born.

    It was here I reconnected with the feminist thinking that had been nearly drowned out by the so-called Third Wave. And although I can’t imagine joining another political party, blind loyalty is no longer on my agenda.

    Thank you RD, thank you myiq, thank you all.

  132. I’m in moderation, probably for using the word “antir@acist”

  133. More than a participant in other blogs I was a lurker on many of the sites cited here. Perhaps solely due to the fact that most of them are either republican or democrat party leaning, as an independent I felt that my contributions were irrelevant, which means that I rarely participated and my enjoyment derived from reading posts at sites that were closer to my liberal tendencies.

    Around April or thereabouts one thing happened. Yep, as many here have found during their own PP&PPP (Pre-Precious & Party Plug Pandemonium) I also found myself looking for a place where its members had not turned from being normal, everyday sober folks to then, at some hard to isolate point, seeing that one by one those same sober folks had started to become discernibly silly drunk on the Kool-Aid. All of which happened for no apparent reason since, measured by any simple standard, besides giving a wonderful speech at a national convention (well rehearsed in advance, as it’s normal, and relaying on prepared notes, as it’s also usually the case for most speakers), as far as I was concerned the swift talker hadn’t done any other thing at the national level that merited such speedy rise to the top.

    Realizing that perhaps I was the one who was wrong for not falling on my knees and praise the Lord for sending such gift to us, mere mortals, few things were also getting cleared in my mind as I took the time to find out who could be that new kid on the block that was garnering such type of blind idolatry. What I found out during that cursive delving into his career was not too pretty and, as a result, other things become clear as hell: The gifted Precious was making great speeches, but if one pried into how he got way up “there” with the speed of lightning things at the top didn’t look so rosy, and confess that Alice Palmer was my first loud cautionary bell.

    As an independent liberal (and besides Kucinich—the one who was deemed unelectable even by many of the left and by any stretch of the imagination), I wasn’t too thrilled with any of the candidates—from either side. But realizing that at least a couple of them were going to end up requiring the gift of my vote I then started to delve a bit deeper into the candidates that could possible end up being the recipients of said gift. The one who increasingly rose to the top was Hillary, and as I watched the unspeakable things done to her by her fiercest competitor with invaluable help from the media pundits, and as I witnessed also how she fought the good fight without losing an ounce of dignity in the process, my respect for her as a candidate and as a woman grew by huge leaps. Yeah, the gift of my vote for her was actually going to be a very generous gift not only for my nation, but also for my little daughter as well as for myself.

    As we all know, the magic done with numbers and the totally screwy behavior of the Democratic Party elite threw everything down the toilet, and as I watched Nancy the fixer and her goons pull the strings as if the contenders were marionettes for them to play with; and as the media pundits became more and more irrational; and as the sober BTP’s (Before The Precious) cultist bloggers become drunk as stinking hell on the Kool-Aid, looking for a place to rest from such heady mess I stumbled first into Anglachel’s blog and then onto the Confluence’s. It was then that I became a lurker on both sites, but after realizing that Anglachel seemed interested only on folks that could talk the talk as well as her—or they were relegated to remain hidden by her choice—little by little I started to hardly open her site and the only place in which I was able to find solace was the Confluence and its wonderfully caring, normal everyday folks.

    Luckily for me, I happened to be lurking here when SM, the PUMA par excellence, threw his shout into the night—and the rest is history.

    Congratulations on the fourth month anniversary of our cherished cub—the tot may seem small, but we all know that its potential for growing stronger as it matures is immeasurable.

    PUMAs Rocked then, Rock now, and will Rock forever!

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